Charmaine Lawson Writes Letter to the Editor, Urges Filing a Complaint About DA Maggie Fleming

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David Josiah Lawson memorial

A photo of David Josiah Lawson at his memorial service held at HSU in 2017. [Image provided by Humboldt State University]

District Attorney Maggie Fleming,

David Josiah Lawson affectionately known as DJ was my first-born son who had a bright future ahead of him. From the moment I felt him move in my belly, I loved him. My sweet baby boy came into the world on May 20th, 1997, he was perfect. I was happy beyond measure, God had blessed me with the most handsome and perfect little boy. Being DJ’s mom was the most important job in my life. As a baby, I loved laying him on my chest and feeling the rhythm of our heartbeats, it was soothing and comforting.

DJ was a joyful boy, filled with happiness and love. He loved the outdoors, riding his bike, snowboarding, surfing and his absolute favorite, skateboarding. DJ would spend hours at our local skate park with his friends. He was also very talented; he taught himself how to play the keyboard and guitar.

DJ excelled in school, he was responsible and exhibited leadership skills at an early age. He helped with his siblings; he would pick them up from school and assist them with their homework while I was at work. He would cook dinner, his favorite dish to make was hamburger helper, sometimes it was a little salty, but it was still very delicious and I would say to him “it was the thought and effort sweetheart”.

I valued education, I expressed to my three children that education is the future and that no one can take it away from you. So all three of my children studied hard and graduated from high school with a 3.5 GPA or greater and all three attend a university.

In the spring of 2015, DJ and I attended a local college fair where we met a recruiter from HSU. Although there were countless other colleges in attendance, DJ fell in love with HSU. The brochure of Humboldt County with the beautiful redwoods, ocean and green hillsides captivated his imagination. He looked at me with his big brown eyes and that infectious smile and said “Mom I want to attend HSU”.

DJ was accepted to other colleges, but he happily chose HSU. Our family was excited that he would be the first in our family to attend college. He wanted to become a lawyer and to help his community. DJ spoke at his high school graduation party so passionately and eloquently on how giving back comforts his soul. He was compassionate, giving, loyal, smart and loving. He’s missed every day.

DJ’s murderer destroyed our family and community. He took from us a beautiful soul and as a result, I hurt every day. Not seeing my son, hearing his voice, not getting that big cuddly hug he gives… I miss my son Maggie. Five years no justice, five years no birthdays, five years no holidays, five years no closure and five years of asking why? I will never see DJ get married, have children or raise his family. I understand we can’t bring him back, but truth be told, I have not completely accepted him being gone. There are times that I think he’s just on a long vacation and that he will come home soon.

Maggie, when you and I first met in April of 2017, you personally told me that there was an eyewitness to the case and that you would be the lead prosecutor, but later you pawned my son’s case off to an incompetent unprepared prosecutor. Why?

After FBI Special Agent Tom Parker called you and your Chief Investigator Wayne Cox out for your lack of experience and incompetence, you stopped fighting for my son. Your job is to fight for victims and their families regardless of your personal views and feelings. Instead, you demonized my son. DJ has never been in trouble with the law in his 19 years on earth, unlike the suspect Kyle Zoellner.

I sat in Federal Court last month for several days and heard Zoellner himself testify to being arrested for assaulting his sister on two separate occasions and how he was also arrested for being under the influence of methamphetamine. But you kept Zoellner and his criminal records from the Grand Jury.

We met with former Deputy District Attorney Buckingham earlier this year, and he told us “that he had requested to have Zoellner testify before the Grand Jury; however the authorization form was not signed”. Why didn’t you sign the form so that Zoellner could take the stand and testify Maggie? He was the suspect arrested for my son’s murder!

The last time that you and I spoke was the day that the Grand Jurors returned with a No Indictment in the vicious murder of my son. I remember anxiously awaiting your call, knowing that this time we had DNA evidence that put the knife in Zoellner’s hand, knowing that DNA evidence confirmed that the clothes that Zoellner was wearing was saturated with the blood of my son DJ. I was confident that we were going to get an indictment and my son would get the justice he deserved and a murderer would be taken off the streets.

When you called, I remember your voice sounding so excited as if we had won, but I guess the excitement was because you had won. Zoellner was going to continue to remain free. You couldn’t wait to share this great news with me. All along you wanted my son’s murderer to remain free with no accountability or consequences.

Zoellner has maintained that he doesn’t remember stabbing anyone. Not that he didn’t do it and not that it was in self-defense. He says I don’t remember stabbing anyone. However, your office presented a case of self-defense for Zoellner as if you were his Defense Attorney even though he has never claimed self-defense and it is your job to prosecute suspects not defend them.

The facts and the evidence in this case only lead to one person and that is Kyle Christopher Zoellner. Officer Nielsen arrived on the scene one minute after the 911 call. His dashboard camera clearly shows several party goers screaming and pointing at Zoellner and shouting “he did it!” Why didn’t you play that video at the Preliminary and Grand Jury Hearings?

You completely ignore evidence; you called witnesses that bear no relevance to the case and you hold the position that you want an eyewitness even though there were several witnesses screaming “he did it”, you have the bloody knife, his bloody clothes and my son’s DNA under Zoellner’s fingernails. Kristin Smart’s murderer was convicted with no body, no eyewitness and no DNA. We have all three and more. My God in Heaven why are you protecting a murderer?

I have read some of the responses from you to community members who expressed their disappointment with your handling of DJ’s case. You have taken no accountability for your actions in regard to allowing suspect Zoellner to remain free.

A Federal Judge ruled that Arcata Police Department had probable cause to arrest Zoellner the night that he killed my son. Yet you allow him to walk free among women, children, the elderly and a community that you took an oath to protect. You are a disgrace to the Humboldt County District Attorney’s Office and a disappointment to the people of California. The best decision you’ve made in your career was stepping down. Humboldt County would have never re-elected you. Humboldt County deserves a DA who is competent, compassionate and will bring justice to victims and their families.

I will never stop fighting for my son. I will never go away until justice is served for him. I know his life doesn’t matter to you, but it does to me. My son had more integrity and compassion in his 19 years of life than you will ever have…

Zoellner’s girlfriend Lila Ortega misplaced her cell phone and contacted Zoellner to come to her aid. Witness accounts state that Ortega’s friends bear sprayed my son before Zoellner stabbed him to death and as he lay bleeding profusely, Ortega said “I hope that Nigga dies”. Ortega later found her phone that my son had nothing to do with. But those are the people that you are protecting Maggie. Why? Why doesn’t my son’s life matter Maggie?

Martin Luther King said justice delayed is justice denied. You have delayed and denied my son and our family the justice that we deserve, but now that you are leaving, we will be Victorious!

To the residents of Humboldt County and the people of the State of California,

If you believe that DA Maggie Fleming has participated in prosecutorial misconduct, please file a complaint with the California Bar Association, it’s not too late even though she is leaving office. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.

The State Bar of California

180 Howard St.

San Francisco, CA 94105

415 538-2000

800 843-9053 – To File a Complaint

http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Contact-Us

 

Charmaine Lawson, 

Love never dies. Justice for Josiah. 

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sohumjoe
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sohumjoe
3 years ago

Or maybe she’s looking for justice. The way she lays it out, it sure sounds like a blatant case of prosecutorial misconduct. I’ll be filing a complaint.

meme
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meme
3 years ago
Reply to  sohumjoe

There is no evidence strong enough to hold anyone to answer. That’s how justice works. Evidence.

willow creeker
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3 years ago
Reply to  meme

Seems like there is plenty of evidence. A good prosecutor could put together a case against Zoellner, it seems to me.

Al L Ivesmtr
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Al L Ivesmtr
3 years ago
Reply to  willow creeker

And that is why you or I are not part of the criminal justice system. “Seems like” and “seems to me” is an emotion based response bereft of facts which would get laughed right out of court. My take is it “seems to me” his buddies are very bad at hitting their intended target and instead nailed their good buddy. I”ll take his buddies did it for 10,000 Alex. Too bad so sad the anti Kyle crowd couldn’t effectively pull the white nationalist race card given his girlfriend is Hispanic. Boom, excuse #1 kaput. BLM loses again.

willow creeker
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3 years ago
Reply to  Al L Ivesmtr

I support Charmaine Lawson. I don’t know wtf you’re talking about.

lol
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lol
3 years ago
Reply to  willow creeker

Would a good prosecutor push for a murder charge when evidence indicates self-defense?

Xebeche
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Xebeche
3 years ago
Reply to  willow creeker

The evidence of reasonable doubt trumps “plenty of evidence” to convict.

Non-Native
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Non-Native
3 years ago
Reply to  willow creeker

The DA’s office did charge him, he was not held to answer at the Preliminary Hearing, and charges have never been filed again.

Neverlayup
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Neverlayup
3 years ago
Reply to  sohumjoe

Get on the bs lawsuit train! Maybe u can pay her lawyer fees for 10% to the big guy! 1 of his thug friends stabbed him!!

Reggie
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3 years ago
Reply to  Neverlayup

Would he of been a thug in your eyes if he was a hick probably not

lol
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lol
3 years ago
Reply to  sohumjoe

What does Justice look like in the case of self-defense?

GMR
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GMR
3 years ago

My heart goes out to her for her loss.

GMR
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GMR
3 years ago

Rude.

Neverlayup
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Neverlayup
3 years ago
Reply to  GMR

Reality!

Alf
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Alf
3 years ago

Although I agree DA Fleming is a clear example of incompetence and don’t believe the newly elected DA will be any improvement at all, I don’t believe DJ was in any way upstanding. Students who are serious about their education don’t waste time at these kinds of parties or get involved in physical altercations multiple times the same day. I’m truly sorry for your loss. However, please note that refusing to acknowledge he had flaws like all people and painting an exaggerated picture of him does nothing for your cause.

Unclemike
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Unclemike
3 years ago
Reply to  Alf

Well said

Vermin Supreme
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Vermin Supreme
3 years ago
Reply to  Alf

You’d be surprised (or maybe you wouldn’t) at the level of incompetence of the DA’s office. In order to cover for that incompetence they resort to underhanded and shady tactics to get the convictions they want. Including collusion with the Judges and Public Defender’s, backdoor deal making (trading convictions for certain defendants), outright dishonesty, intentional malpractice, the list goes on. The only conclusion I have is that the current incarnation of our justice system in Humboldt County is horribly broken. It boils down to the fact that if you have money, you don’t do time…

Alf
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Alf
3 years ago
Reply to  Vermin Supreme

Yes. They have video surveillance of the crime they promised me they would prosecute and yet, when the POS had a failure to appear they failed to request a bench warrant. So, by their incompetence we have a chronic criminal running the streets. Humboldt is definitely a safe haven for criminals as the SO and PD do absolutely nothing for “lower level” crimes. They wait until, like yesterday the DV and other crimes turn into murder, rape, attempted murder and a bunch of other violent crimes. The DA attorneys are no better. They don’t bother prosecuting low level crimes and then blunder high level prosecutions. And judges make back room deals all the time. Unfortunately, we have an extremely corrupt Attorney General who should be monitoring this crap, but won’t.

Choni
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3 years ago
Reply to  Alf

Just realize, DA’s and Law Enforcement’s hands are tied thanks to our Governor Grusome who insists they try to do their job with their hands tied behind their back. So while all of you get your pen and paper out, don’t forget to write him a letter as well! I can’t imagine her pain, I’m truly sorry. God must have needed him more. ❤️???

Address…

The California State Capital Building
Attn: The Governor
Sacramento, CA (look up the zip code)

humbeau
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humbeau
3 years ago
Reply to  Choni

Capitol Building not Capital Building

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
3 years ago
Reply to  Choni

How can you blame Gov. Newsom for a local law enforcement imbroglio? What can DA Fleming do if the evidence is inadequate or botched? This is a terrible tragedy all around.

Just Sayin
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Just Sayin
3 years ago

I blame him and the “vote blue” morons. Props 47 and 57 being voted into action by low effort thinkers didn’t help a thing!

Fortunian
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Fortunian
3 years ago
Reply to  Alf

How dare you talk to that poor mother that way! Did you know her son? The D.A. and the Arcata Police department let her son’s murderer off scotfree and there was more than enough evidence and witnesses. You are part of the problem that our world is in now. Really? SMH

Alf
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Alf
3 years ago
Reply to  Fortunian

I don’t condone irresponsible parties. I don’t condone drunken brawls. I don’t condone a whole group of drunk men group jumping a single man. I don’t condone lies from anyone about the supposed innocence of anyone who was an attendee of this kind of party. All of this happened and DJ was indeed involved. Bad things happened. I can’t try to sugar coat it. I don’t believe in starting a crusade about anything based on lies. That is what has happened in this case. It’s irresponsible.

Just Sayin
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Just Sayin
3 years ago
Reply to  Alf

These people are delusional. His own friends impeded medical aid from getting to Lawson. They lied through their teeth and played the race card out the gate. I’m willing to bet it was one of his friends who stabbed him on accident and they’re just not willing to own up to it because they’ve played their hand out.

Notheone
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Notheone
3 years ago
Reply to  Alf

Agreed 100% and I’m sorry for the loss

Zipline
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Zipline
3 years ago

The human capacity for self delusion is infinite. The state attorney general has reviewed this case and has brought no charges because…….wait for it….. LACK OF EVIDENCE. Does Ms.Lawson really want “justice” or just revenge on any handy body?

Bozo
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Bozo
3 years ago

Yup… I’m going to file a complaint about the other 3 students that didn’t get charged !

Teacher
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Teacher
3 years ago

No complaints about the fact that none of DJs friends came forward to testify and say zoellener stabbed him. Think about that. If you saw someone kill your friend, why wouldn’t you go to the police with that? HSU refused to help APD investigate, DJs friends didn’t come forward, and yet DJs mom thinks Flemming is singularly at fault.
Sad all around but people and institutions need to take responsibility. HSUs response to this was pathetic.

lol
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lol
3 years ago
Reply to  Teacher

Serious question. If the dash cam video shows multiple people claiming zolander and murdered DJ, why would those people not testify?

Sorry everyone for my unfortunately inappropriate username. I’m not laughing at this one.

Farce
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Farce
3 years ago
Reply to  lol

Agreed. Those people can be easily identified in this small community and they can be forced to testify with subpoenas. Yet they were not even identified and interviewed….That is incredibly lazy and bad police work. Layers upon layers of incompetence from many different departments resulted in this fumble of justice…

Al L Ivesmtr
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Al L Ivesmtr
3 years ago
Reply to  Teacher

Obviously because one of them did it. The simple answer they didn’t come forward is they know who did it and they know they would be going to prison for killing their friend accidentally. Involuntary manslaughter, on your record from 21 years of age on. Life ruined. Occums razor. Easy to blame the grounded and pounded white guy and then melt away back to SoCal, never to be seen or heard from again. Maybe one day, one of his buddies will grow a conscious and admit what they did. Probably not though, not good friends…..

Just Sayin
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Just Sayin
3 years ago
Reply to  Teacher

Been my arguing point out of the gate. You have a frenzy attack by Lawson and his friends ganging up on one guy and one of the 5 gets stabbed while on top of the person they are jumping. The mom.just really wants this to be a social justice fight when in reality it just seems like inner city spilling into Humboldt. Which is my biggest argument against this whole cal poly nonsense.

guest`
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guest`
3 years ago

I feel sorry for Ms. Lawson’s loss of her son. However, it appears to me, that your own son’s friends were sloppy trying to kill a guy asking about a lost phone and stabbed your son instead who was on top of Zoellner at the time.

I do understand this is not the answer you are looking for because to you your son could do no wrong. Please leave Arcata and heal, you have the rest of your life to live and this will not bring you peace.

Reggie
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3 years ago

thug ok you never seen or meet a thug before matter of fact please explain a thug to me

Frank Pembleton
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Frank Pembleton
3 years ago

A Federal Judge ruled that Arcata Police Department had probable cause to arrest Zoellner the night that he killed my son.

And they did arrest him. Then, while a hundred or more angry, intoxicated, anti-cop HSU students surrounded and threatened them, they tried to save your son. Those “friends” didn’t help then; they didn’t help for $55,000. The legal threshold for probable cause to arrest is a lot lower than that of beyond a reasonable doubt needed to convict someone. Yet that seems to continue to elude many in favor of emotion. Keep spinning that finger of blame wheel.

Just Sayin
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Just Sayin
3 years ago

They don’t want justice, they want to feed their mental disorder.

TDog
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TDog
3 years ago

WASN’T THE DEAD KID TRYING TO COMIT MURDER FOR NO REASON AND SOMEONE THANKS TO GOD STOPPED IT?????????????????

Xebeche
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Xebeche
3 years ago

While we may all feel sorry for this woman it is clear she does not understand how the criminal justice system works. An indictment would not satisfy her, only a conviction. Given the evidence we have seen, I as a juror , would be unable to convict. Reasonable doubt has been in the narrative since day one.

The Real Brian
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3 years ago
Reply to  Xebeche

2 DNAs types on murderers knife.

One Davids, one Kyles.

Kyle’s friend says Kyle’s knife bag was missing a knife, confirmed through APD mistake in court.

Investigations found same knives at his work.

That’s just the tip of it.

Did you need a confession?

Have you actually studied the case and court transcripts sir?

The Lawson Case
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3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

For the sake of completeness, here is a brief summary of what was testified to regarding the knives, because there was conflicting and confusing testimony regarding this. Lila Ortega, Zoellner’s girlfriend, testified that the knives were in their house and were not in the car on the night of the party and that she did not touch them. Casey Gleaton, Ortega’s friend at the time, testified that Ortega opened the knife bag in the house and said that there were three knives but there were supposed to be four. Detective Dockweiler initially testified that he found two knives in the bag which was supposed to contain a three knife set. After being asked by the defense to further examine the bag, Dockweiler testified the next day that he had located the third knife in the bag completing the three knife set. He also testified that the knives in the bag were “Mac” brand and that the knife recovered on scene was a “JA Henckels” brand. Zoellner’s employer, Alex Begovich, testified that Zoellner had a set of three “Mac” knives which Zoellner kept in the orange knife bag. He testified that he had never seen a knife like the one recovered on scene by APD used in his kitchen and believed it was not a type likely to be used in a commercial kitchen. He said that he was familiar with Zoellner’s knives because he had trained Zoellner and Zoellner purchased the same or a similar set of Mac knives to the ones he used.
Investigators did not locate any knives of the same type as the one recovered from the scene at Zoellner’s place of employment.
There were 4 contributors to the DNA mixture on the knife. one was Zoellner, one was Lawson, the other two are unknown.
https://thelawsoncase.blogspot.com/2022/07/2017-preliminary-hearing-transcripts.html

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The Real Brian
Member
3 years ago

Det. Dock essentially verified Gleatons testimony.

There was 3 knives, realized after the Det. looked harder.

And Gleaton says there was supposed to be 4 knives.

That the Det. couldn’t locate the 3rd knife shows that Gleaton is quite familiar with the bag, and qualified to testify regarding its contents.

The Real Brian
Member
3 years ago

Begovich said he “had no idea” what a Henkels knife would be used for.

That’s perjury. Of course he does.

A house wife knows, let alone a chef.

I’m sure Begovich suffered from perjury in his testimony.

He was overly sympathetic to Kyle, his employee, who looked as if he was jumped by a gang of black thugs.*

*That’s the Kyle narrative that his media-spread bloodied face helps sell.

And Tom Parker did find similar knives in the custody of Begovich.

The Real Brian
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3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Nonetheless, questions for Begovich would have been;

How often did you check employees knife bags?

-How many employees had knives they had purchased themselves?

(I used various knives, including many Henckels in a commercial kitchen for years. Not all were supplied by “the kitchen”)

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The Real Brian
Member
3 years ago

Re DNA.

I thought a fraction of an unknown 3rd was found, however I was not aware of a fourth.

2 possible contributors were Ortega and the cop who didn’t wear gloves.

The Lawson Case
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3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I agree that the testimony is conflicting. This was a running theme through the 2017 testimony. Some of this may be attributed to the proximity in time to the homicide. Some of it may have been deliberate.
To my knowledge, Tom Parker was never involved in searching Begovich’s kitchen. The warrants that I am aware of were served quite some time before Parker even became involved. I believe one of Parker’s complaints about the investigation was that he wanted more work done at Begovich’s facility, but I may be wrong. I’d be interested to read about what Parker found if that is what happened.
My impression of Begovich’s comment where he says he “has no idea” is that it was in reference to the purpose of that style or shape of knife in that type of kitchen, not a comment on the brand itself. Without going back and reading, I believe that I recall that he was familiar with the Henckels brand and may have testified to having personally owned knives from that brand.
There were 4 contributors to the mixture on the knife. The state DOJ did the sampling and deconvolution. The deconvolution process is what caused the significant delay in the availability of the DNA evidence and is why it was not available in 2017, though it was presented to the 2019 grand jury. I do not know who else’s DNA profiles, if any, they have compared to the two unknown profiles. The cop who could not recall whether he had gloves on when photographing and recovering the knife was shown the photographs that he took which showed that he was wearing gloves at the time. This is page 793 in the document linked below. He, of course, still could have unintentionally transferred his or someone else’s DNA to the knife, even with gloves. If Ortega were a contributor, that would be a very significant piece of evidence. It would be interesting to know if her profile (or anyone else’s) had been obtained or compared. Unfortunately, little information on the DNA evidence is publicly available. I had hoped that it would be presented at trial in Zoellner’s civil case so that it could be obtained through those transcripts, but it was not admitted. It was discussed superficially in some motions before trial.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gBlIgFlA-__PzFZT-VDrx1ntRSI1RyzQ/view?usp=sharing

The Real Brian
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3 years ago

Indeed the cop may have worn gloves.

The sweatshirt Kyle was wearing easily could conceal the 10″ blade found.

The sweatshirt likely already had Ortega DNA as she was his girlfriend.

Also, DNA may have come to the sweatshirt from his earlier scuffle.

I assume it came from the sweatshirt because the smeared fingerprints/palm print was likely wiped by the sweatshirt.

I agree Begovichs testimony leans on type of knife, but after seeing what type of knife it is…..I gotta say, what did he not understand about the knife?

The Lawson Case
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3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I’ve spent more time than I care to count up thinking and reading about this case and I’m still puzzled by so much of the story. Here are the places where I believe the knife stuff would be an issue for a prosecutor.
I agree that one could conceal a 10″ kitchen knife in the clothes Zoellner was wearing, but I can’t figure out a reason why he would have. It sounds like things were fairly calm when he arrived at the party. Lawson’s friends testified that he was quite calm when he initiated the discussion about the phone (Ortega, not so much). I doubt he would have thought that there was a need for a large kitchen knife at that point in time. It would also be puzzling as to how he could have had it concealed on him through the earlier fight without being injured by it.
There isn’t really a point in the timeline that you can reconstruct from testimony where Zoellner could have gotten up and walked out to the car to get a knife out of the trunk without being seen. By most accounts, he was unconscious or at the very least unwell by the time the first fight separated.
Even if one could definitively say the knife came from Zoellner’s bag, you could argue that it seems more likely that Ortega or one of the others retrieved the knife during or just after the first fight.
With the uncertainty about the origin of the knife, one can argue that it is just as likely that it was brought out from the house by any of the partygoers.
I don’t know enough about cooking or commercial kitchens to know why Begovich thought the knife wouldn’t be used there. After looking at the MAC knife set that Zoellner had, that particular Henckel’s knife seems like it would be an odd addition. I’m not sure what it would add to that set that wasn’t already there.
Anyway, these are things that create reasonable doubt, and thats just the knife stuff which is only part of the big picture. Some of these questions could potentially be solved (or further complicated) by further exam of physical evidence, such as including/excluding DNA profiles from the mixture on the knife. Without knowing what all exists now, five years later, it is hard to say where future prosecution stands. It will be interesting to see if Eads does anything new with the case.

The Real Brian
Member
3 years ago

There isn’t really a point in the timeline that you can reconstruct from testimony where Zoellner could have gotten up and walked out to the car to get a knife out of the trunk without being seen.

There was a witness that said they saw him go to the trunk of the car after the initial fighting.

You don’t remember that? I seem to, and boy I don’t want to go back and look for the reference.

The Lawson Case
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3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Just out of curiosity and because I like to hear other people’s thoughts on the case, why would you exclude Ortega or any of the others at the party as the suspect?

The Real Brian
Member
3 years ago

Paris seems to have witnessed some of (or the end) of the stabbing scuffle with Kyle and David.

He says that Kyle and David were on the floor together.

No mention of Ortega.

If Paris is covering for someone otherwise at the party – as in a conspiracy, they were at the proverbial 1 yard line and could’ve finished the job by just saying “I saw Kyle stab David”.

I mean, Kyle was already arrested, bloodied, had altercations with David, his girlfriend had been agitated and the cops basically thought Kyle did it too.

It would have been so frikin easy for them to not tell the truth about seeing the defining moment, that it leads me to think that Paris is absolutely honest to the point it has to be mentally anguishing to see Kyle free.

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The Lawson Case
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3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I don’t recall ever hearing testimony about Kyle Zoellner accessing the trunk of the car. I went back and word searched the testimony documents and could not locate that. You may be referencing Bobadilla’s testimony where, when asked where the two brothers she and Josiah were with were after the first fight, she says that Kyle (meaning Kyle Castillo, not Zoellner) was getting the car after the first fight. (page 707) The Castillo brothers testify to getting the car too. Kristoff Castillo testifies that he believes Zoellner was “knocked out” at this point.(page 559) She then says she returned to the location of the first fight after realizing her face was burning. She then locates the girls near the house and the second fight begins.
I agree that Paris Wright’s testimony seems generally reliable. That said, Keaundrey Clark and Elijah Chandler contradict points in Wright’s testimony. Clark was also the member that testified that he was kicked out of the Brother’s United group after the incident. The problem for the prosecution with Wright’s testimony is that he says Lawson has Kyle in a headlock when he finds them and Kyle has nothing in his hands. If the theory is that Kyle stabbed Lawson, without something to connect the dots, that is a difficult chain of events to convince a jury to believe beyond a reasonable doubt. The defense question will always be “How do you know person x didn’t stab Lawson?” It’s also difficult to explain Bobadilla’s wound which she described as a stab wound to her arm. Bobadilla never saw Zoellner during the second fight but was engaged in a fight with the two other girls.

The Real Brian
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3 years ago

Jason Martinez, testifying during the preliminary hearing of murder suspect Kyle Zoellner, said he was watching Lawson and another man standing in the grass when he heard one of them say “Oh shit, he has a knife.” He couldn’t identify which man was the speaker.

Then, Martinez said, he saw the other man “strike Josiah with his right hand, once on the lower part of his stomach and one motion toward the upper left side.”

Next, Martinez said under questioning by Deputy District Attorney Roger Rees, he saw Lawson “run in front of me and throw himself into some bushes.”

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/may/3/arcata-murder-hearing-friends-testify-girl-fight-b/

Casey Gleaton, a now-estranged friend of Zoellner’s girlfriend Lila Ortega, said she saw a man fall down on his back, flip himself over and struggle to get up on all fours. Another man said to him

“You’re leaking, bro.”

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/may/1/zoellner-court/

“I heard ‘He stabbed him!’” Chandler said, though he didn’t know then who had been stabbed. He said Zoellner was trying to move away from Wright, “and I noticed something in his right hand. I don’t know what it was. At that moment Paris knocked him to the ground.”

Chandler said Zoellner dropped something that reflected in the light.

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/may/4/arcata-murder-hearing-more-testimony-knife-found-s/

(I’ll keep looking for the Zoellner/trunk reference.

But this is why I think HE did it)

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The Real Brian
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3 years ago
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As a side note. I made the following comment 3 years ago.

The difference now is that Zoellner has made his account private. But I took screenshots of his post that I referenced and linked to. Those are on an older phone in storage.

The comment:

For Kyle it’s “positive realism”, as he writes on his over-donated to instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/keylay93/

For OJ, it’s a “no negative zone”, as he described in interviews:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2019/06/10/oj-simpson-life-las-vegas-nicole-brown-simpson-ronald-goldman/1406837001/

*The #positiveliving seems to be a thing with the free but guilty. It makes sense. They have to sleep at night and convincing themselves they’re good people is one way to do it.

https://kymkemp.com/2019/12/06/california-attorney-generals-office-declines-to-take-up-case-of-david-josiah-lawson/#comment-902907

Notheone
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Notheone
3 years ago

Well said.

The Real Brian
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3 years ago

And I do appreciate your thorough comment.

Farce
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Farce
3 years ago
Reply to  Xebeche

I couldn’t convict either. I’d keep wondering why the friends of Josiah refused to be interviewed about the fight and why they were never arrested for assault. The race issue is reversed here- many black guys have been railroaded the way that Kyle almost was. I would need more evidence to feel okay about sending anybody of any color up the river on a murder charge.

TDog
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TDog
3 years ago

JUSTICE FOR KYLE!!!!!!!!!

Vermin Supreme
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Vermin Supreme
3 years ago

This whole situation has been totally buggered from the beginning. Nothing makes sense… I maintain there is an unknown or concealed truth behind the reality of what happened that night. Only the people who were there truly know, and for some reason, none of them (including his friends), want to come forward. Like I said, it makes no sense. The much needed and deserved justice won’t ever be realized until there is some honesty.

JoeJ
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JoeJ
3 years ago

I absolutely feel for her and her tremendous loss, but this is a mess. Her understanding of what happened in Zoellner’s lawsuit is totally incorrect and she clearly doesn’t understand the criminal justice system either. I don’t know where to start, but here are a few thoughts.
Zoellner had a fifth amendment right not to testify against himself in criminal proceedings including the grand jury. This is not DA Fleming’s fault. He testified during the lawsuit because he was suing and he had to testify there.
The facts about his history with meth and his sisters is character evidence. It is not admissible in a criminal case. It may make you dislike him, but it isn’t evidence that he murdered someone. That is why it was inadmissible.
Fleming presented information to the grand jury on self defense and justifiable homicide because she was required to by law. A DA has a statutory obligation to do this.
Whether or not partygoers identified Zoellner as the stabber on the night of the incident is irrelevant. None have repeated this claim or anything similar when under sworn testimony where they are open to cross examination.
The federal judge that heard Zoellner’s lawsuit did not rule that there was probable cause, only that a reasonable officer may have felt that there was probable cause for an arrest at the time. The state judge that heard the criminal case, the evidence and a week of testimony ruled that there was not probable cause for the charges.
That said, there is a new Humboldt County DA and state attorney general. If you feel there is evidence to have Zoellner charged again, convince them. The next dismissal of this criminal case against him will bar any future prosecution against him.

Notheone
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3 years ago
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Let’s not forget that all these people were high on alcohol and/or cocaine. Maybe that’s why a whole lot of this doesn’t make sense. It seems like a lot of people played a part in this. Sadly.

Tyler
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Tyler
3 years ago

its a sad situation all around, but give it a rest. The horse is dead no need for the continuous beating. Karma will come back around

Lisa Music
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3 years ago

Brian, a commenter is on moderation until Kym can make a determination.

The Real Brian
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3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa Music

Thank you.

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Thatguyinarcata
3 years ago

I hope Ms Lawson finds a path to making peace with this tragedy that doesn’t depend on legal justice for the person that killed her son. Given the nature of the case and the people and agencies involved, legal resolution looks like a very slim possibility.

Humboldt
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Humboldt
3 years ago

There’s so much focus in learning “why” when murders happen.
Police in places with mass shootings always are immediately concerned with a motive. And revenge.
The heading to this article says it all.
One needs to heal and move on.
It doesn’t matter “why” it happened. It happened.
A hateful or unthinking person killed someone.
It’s tragic.
But the mother needs to let go of the past and accept that it happened. And heal. And move on.

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3 years ago
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I cant imagine possessing the hubris to tell the mother of a slain child to move on. I’d say that’s her personal decision.

Choni
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3 years ago
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It is her personal decision. It is awful. However for 5 years she’s been making it a public display and asking us all to join in. It’s no longer personal. We will never forget if that is what she is after. But it takes a lot of energy to stay so angry. I think we all just want her to have some peace. I’m not down playing it at all. I personally lost someone today, I get it.

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3 years ago

Sorry for your loss, but fact remains that they don’t have evidence to prosecute. Honestly after all the race baiting, and show put on by his friends delaying medical aid the night he died, you may want to be asking his friends whom were jumping another person some 5 to 1 and maybe one of those kids stabbed your son in a fury on accident. I’m willing to bet good money there is a video that supports that and that is why they are burying this case.