Three Years Ago Today–The Killing of David Josiah Lawson Changed This County

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Charmaine Lawson receives a hug from a friend of her son at his celebration of life in Arcata on 2017. [Photo by Mark McKenna]

First, a look at the numbers in the investigation into the stabbing death of David Josiah Lawson:

In Three Years:

  • Three police chiefs (Tom Chapman, Richard Elhe, Brian Ahearn)
  • Three mayors – (Sophia Perrera, Brett Watson, Michael Winkler)
  • Thirty-five monthly vigils
  • Multiple protests at Arcata City Council meetings
  • One suspect released without charges in May of 2017 
  • One “substantial cash reward” offered for arrest of suspect
  • One claim for damages against the City of Arcata 
  • One review of APD efforts by National Police Foundation
  • One Criminal Grand Jury declining to indict anyone
  • One California Attorney General’s Office refusing to take the case
  • One documentary 

The untimely death of David Josiah ‘DJ’ Lawson in the wee hours of April 15, 2017 shocked Humboldt County and the community of Arcata. Lawson was stabbed to death at an off-campus gathering of HSU students. The violent incident left one young man dead, and another in custody- charged with the murder.  

After years of monthly vigils, advocating at Arcata City Council meetings and protesting at the County courthouse, some reflection has happened, leading to a few changes within the Arcata Police Department (APD). 

The recent completion of an extensive outside analysis by the National Police Foundation (NPF) of the case work and the operations by the APD led to the local police department taking actions to develop resources that were not previously in place, in order to do better in the future.  This development, among continued outreach efforts, has been highlighted in moving the case forward although it has not produced an arrest in the case.  

According to the current Arcata Police Chief, Brian Ahearn, the investigation is continuing regardless of the time that has passed, and still needs input from the public.  With recently gleaned constructive feedback on how to improve it’s investigation protocols and oversight in similar investigations, the APD is making changes within the institution to correct mistakes that hindered the Lawson case investigation, according to City Manager Karen Deimer as well as Chief Ahearn.  

Chief Ahearn explained, “The Josiah Lawson murder investigation is on-going.  This investigation will remain the top investigative priority for APD regardless of other crime, quality of life, crisis’ and events we are managing.  All APD personnel are steadfast in our goal of bringing justice in this case.”  

Ahearn said that specifically, “There is still reluctance on the part of some to contact APD.  We have said from the beginning, and it is true to this day, that we have to be open and accessible to people on their terms.  When they are ready to come forward we will be here to investigate what it is they say and the information they provide. The 24 hour tip line has resulted in identifying people who were present that night who were previously unknown. The process of identifying, locating and interviewing all people who were present is on-going.” 

 After three police chiefs in two years, and three years of ongoing investigation since the death of David Josiah Lawson, witnesses of the April 2017 tragedy are being asked to call the tip-line at (707) 825-2590, anonymously or not. 

Looking back at the last three years of the Lawson case- all of the protests, the meetings, the press releases, and the intense community reactions to the ongoing investigation- entails looking at dozens of local media reports, each of them referencing the untimely death of David Josiah Lawson.  The case has even inspired a documentary, which came out in the fall of 2019. 

Kyle Zoellner was arrested for murder that night. However, on May 5, 2017, following the preliminary hearing for Zoellner, Judge Reinholtsen of the Superior Court of Humboldt County ruled there was insufficient evidence presented by the prosecution to support the homicide charges, and Kyle Zoellner was released from custody. This development was met by outrage and confusion among the HSU student population particularly. Three years later, the cause of Lawson’s death is still the source of debate and division in the community.

While the past three years of ups and downs in the investigation of the Lawson case has seen some encouraging developments, like DNA evidence on the knife used to kill Lawson, and the testimony of witnesses, it has also been fraught with confusion and painful delays in progress.  Several city council meetings have been disrupted and even shut down due to ongoing protests over the years.  

A local group of activists began collaborating in the early months following the stabbing, naming their group the “Justice For Josiah Committee” in order to organize efforts to assist in the pursuit of truth in the ongoing investigation. The group has maintained regular meetings ever since, has pressured the Arcata City Council and the Arcata Police Department to ensure focus on the case, and still coordinates monthly vigils on the 15th of each month.  After 35 months of vigils, the group has not let up, and even in the shadow of the COVID-19 pandemic, will hold the three-year memorial vigil live via Zoom conference call today.

Protestors clap hands and chant slogans.

Justice for Josiah protesters clap hands and chant slogans while one gives a power salute at an August 2018 Arcata Council meeting. [Photo by Ryan Hudson]

For three years now, monthly vigils for the slain student have not only celebrated his impact on the Humboldt State University community, but also continue to serve as a reminder to the community, as well as to local officials, that the investigation is still a priority. Undeterred in finding justice for her son, Charmaine Lawson has traveled back to Humboldt County from her home in southern California dozens of times seeking information and support, as well as giving support to local community groups via grassroots organizing.

In her son’s honor, she has also advanced several community efforts, including organizing an annual winter coat drive in her son’s name, rallying with local healthcare workers for fair contracts, giving speeches at local community gatherings in furtherance of immigration justice issues, and even starting a scholarship fund in Josiah Lawson’s name, in addition to other contributions of advocacy for communities in Humboldt County. 

Ms. Lawson was also given a posthumously awarded graduation certificate in her son’s name, and walked in the graduation procession in his memory at Humboldt State University last year.

The Justice for Josiah Committee has seen many faces come and go throughout the past three years, including a handful of police investigators integral to the case, three police chiefs, three city mayors, and one independently contracted FBI investigator, all who have contributed in some way to the investigation, but so far all have collectively come up short in conclusively solving the controversial case. While there is a “substantial cash reward” offered for information leading to an arrest and conviction, the case remains open as detectives are still looking for leads. 

An effort to gain insight from faded memories and transferred HSU students is ongoing three years later. Among the issues that complicated the prosecution of the case was the DNA evidence found on the knife used to stab Lawson, which was difficult for investigators to parse out- taking many months before being presented to the DA, and ultimately not resulting in a clear determination of guilt. District Attorney Maggie Fleming indicated that she needed more than DNA evidence to go on.

A press release issued by Humboldt’s District Attorney Maggie Fleming on January 18, 2019 stated,

The interpretation of the analysis of DNA on the knife is of course critical to the case. That is one of the issues we found incompletely resolved in the casefile we received from the Arcata Police Department, therefore we requested additional information on the analysis from the California Department of Justice. We must know what experts will say under oath about the DNA analysis to make a just decision about the case. We are also seeking additional information on a second issue. Justice would not be served by a decision by our Office that does not take into account critical existing information.

Not long after this statement by the DA, a criminal grand jury was convened for the purpose of assessing evidence in order to bring charges against the same original suspect, Kyle Zoellner, only to fall short of convincing the jurors. The District Attorney’s Office released this short statement in March of 2019 regarding the outcome: “ On March 13, the Grand Jury declined to indict any person in the stabbing death of David Josiah Lawson.  Therefore, no charges will be filed in the case. The District Attorney has notified Mr. Lawson’s family of this outcome.”

This development was yet another element of frustration to the advocates for Josiah Lawson, and further complicated the situation by landing the investigation back in the hands of the Arcata Police Department for the third time.  In an open letter published widely in local media, Charmaine Lawson questioned the efforts of local police, as well as the position of the District Attorney regarding the evidence thus far collected.  

In the letter of March 28th 2019, Lawson stated in part, 

I was told by the three chiefs of police from APD and a city official that Kyle Zoellner’s DNA is on the knife that was used to murder my son. It is time that Humboldt County residents call out and address the Arcata City officials and Humboldt County DA Maggie Fleming regarding DNA evidence appearing on the knife that was used to murder a young college student. I cannot bring my son back, but we can help take a murderer off the streets. I demand that the DA’s office hand over a copy of the official Grand Jury transcript to my lawyers.

A protestor with a bullhorn is framed by a Justice for Josiah poster.

A protester with a bullhorn is framed by a Justice for Josiah poster. [Photo from 2018 by Ryan Hudson]

When a Humboldt County criminal grand jury declined to return an indictment, the monthly vigil in memory of David Josiah Lawson turned to a protest. The gathering was organized by the Justice for Josiah group at the Humboldt County Superior Courthouse, in the shadow of District Attorney Maggie Fleming’s office. Charmaine Lawson addressed a crowd of about 75 supporters at the courthouse, asking for solidarity in demanding that the California Attorney General take up the prosecution of the case. Her wish for the case to be taken over by the AG was not to come to fruition.

Humboldt County District Attorney Maggie Fleming also made a request to the CA Attorney General directly, asking that their office consider taking the case over, in April of 2019.  After the grand jury process failed to produce a conviction, which is nearly unheard of in a criminal grand jury hearing, the California Attorney General still declined to take up the case, issuing their determination months later, in December of 2019. The CA AG found that there was no conflict of interest within the Humboldt County District Attorney’s office, or that the DA had abused their discretion in handling the case, either of which would be grounds for reconsideration by the CA AG. 

At the two-year memorial vigil on the 15th of April, 2019 Charmaine Lawson spoke briefly  to the crowd of over 100 people at the Arcata Plaza.  In part, she stated, “I really don’t have much to say. this is very emotional.  I want to thank you all for continuing to show up for my son. Continue to show up for my son, for our family, for the students of HSU, they need your support… I don’t even know what to say -this is heartbreaking.”

Recall D.A. Fleming sign held by protesters at Arcata Plaza.

Recall D.A. Fleming sign held by protesters at Arcata Plaza. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]

The City of Arcata invested in the objective review of their police department’s handling of the Lawson case in hopes of learning what went wrong and if possible, what they could do better. The 65-page NPF report was commissioned to the tune of $35,000,– paid by the city of Arcata, hoping to get a full assessment of what they did correctly, and what they did not do correctly. The results of the report were awaited for over a year, finally culminating in the independent determination that the Lawson investigation was seriously compromised by a lack of oversight as well as incompetence on the part of officers directly responsible for important aspects of the case investigation.

The NPF’s entire report was neatly summarized in the context of the ongoing investigation by Arcata News in a video recently produced.  Their video recap of the 65 page National Police Foundation report calls attention to  the issues brought to light by the in-depth report, as well as summarizing what was recommended the police department should do moving forward.

Charmaine Lawson with Chief Brian Ahearn. [

Charmaine Lawson with Chief Brian Ahearn. [Photo taken April 15, 2019 by Ryan Hutson]

Regarding the outcome of the evaluation by the NPF, the City of Arcata has taken steps to address the institutional shortcomings identified by the report’s findings. In a memorandum submitted to the city council on March 23, 2020 from the Arcata Police Department, the department noted various areas of concern, stating “The NPF Assessment Team cited training, operational leadership, planning and supervision as areas to strengthen within the Arcata Police Department. The NPF report contains 36 recommendations; all of which have either been implemented or will be implemented.”

As far as actively making these changes in order to correct the deficiencies outlined within the 65-page analysis, the APD states in the memo that they have “developed a plan of implementation” in order to move forward proactively. Part of this plan is to “re-implement the Investigations Division” because as the memo states, an “Investigations Division is needed in order to provide the City of Arcata with the contemporary law enforcement structure to conduct basic and complex investigations.” The memo to the Arcata city council goes on to explain, “The Investigations Division, once consisting of a lone Detective Sergeant, is now comprised of an Investigations Lieutenant, a Detective Sergeant, two Detectives and the newly created Police Evidence and Property Technician position. The Evidence Technician is a critical link to completing evidence-based investigations.”

Arcata City Manager Karen Deimer, who has held that position since before the tragic death of Josiah Lawson, noted in an interview this week that the APD still needs help, and is not going to let up. Deimer states, “It is still is very important that individuals who attended the party that evening or who have heard things before or after the party that could aide the investigation come forward. This case is very much an active investigation and we are committed to getting the necessary personal accounts and case support to finalize it.”

Witnesses of the April 2017 tragedy are asked to call, anonymously or not, the recently established tip-line at area code (707) 825-2590.

When reached for comment yesterday, Police Chief Ahearn invited witnesses or people with information to reach out to him directly, “The Arcata Police Department Dispatch phone number is (707) 822-2424. My cellphone number is (707) 601-6943. Also, the attached Public Service Announcement is Facebook compatible. Please help us get the word out that we need people to come forward. We have the science. The DNA will not change. We need people to corroborate what the DNA has proven.”

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Alf
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Alf
4 years ago

Every murder is tragic. However, not every murder is solved. Not every murder victim gets unlimited media coverage. My friend was murdered and the case was solved, pled down and so justice was not served there either. I am totally sick of hearing about this one particular murder as ifJosiah is the only victim who has loved ones who want an unsolved case solved. HSU and its extremely “progressive” agenda has kept this case gallingly at the forefront, neglecting all the others who have gone through the same thing, making their loss appear unimportant by the media. Until there is balance in media coverage for all, this case is an example of hype over true journalism.

I like stars
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I like stars
4 years ago
Reply to  Alf

Is killing in self defense murder?

Alf
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Alf
4 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Nope. It is sometimes necessary and unavoidable.

King G
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King G
2 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Not if u bring the knife to the fight with u it’s premeditated smh these are all just bias people

Black Rifles Matter
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Black Rifles Matter
4 years ago

This story always generates my favorite comment thread. It’s always fun to start the day off with divisive headlines and stories that have done our county absolutely no good. Yaaaay.

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago

It’s divisive to state that Lawson’s killing changed the county? And then go on and state in the article how that happened?…Damn, BRM, you have a different idea of what neutrality looks like.

tax payer
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tax payer
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

according to the protesters this death did not change the county (services)

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
Reply to  tax payer

There’s a list of things that that APD is changing.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Arcata is not the county.

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

And the APD is not even Arcata.

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

How silly of me to think that the conversation around racism that rose up in the wake of Lawson’s murder changed anything…I’m sure you are right that no other police chiefs looked at Tom Chapman’s fate and made changes…I’m sure you are absolutely correct that County supervisors, and students, and News media and individual citizens are exactly the same as they would have been without this case.

Thank you for reminding me that a case that draws hundreds of comments every time it is mentioned in the media, that still has people discussing the ramifications around the breakfast table, and led to observable concrete change in the City of Arcata did not change this county.

W.H.
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W.H.
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

SMH

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
Reply to  W.H.

Dang I never saw myself as blond…Or thin…or complaining about “white people.”

I thought I was talking about how the County has been affected by Lawson’s death and the subsequent protests and investigations…

Funny how some people just adore throwing out meme’s in every single comment as if words are too difficult for them even if the memes don’t relate to the situation.

W.H.
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W.H.
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

it wasn’t directed at you specifically.

“i display a general garment, and you claim it is cut to your fit. interesting!”

-credit to Frank Herbert for the paraphrase.

aaaand queue non-sequitur meme….

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
Reply to  W.H.

When you hit reply to someone, don’t be surprised if they think you are directing your comment to them…

Fun with facts!
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Fun with facts!
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Lawson was murdered? I thought nobody knows what exactly happened. Being that Lawson did commit a violent act with at least a few of his friends, and according to witnesses none of them showed remorse afterwards, lends to suspect an air of misinformation going around. Why do you use the word “murder”? And, if you conclude that “murder” might not be the best word to describe the stabbing, are you able to see the frustration around our media’s reaction to the incident?

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago

FWF, Fair enough. I’m not convinced he was murdered either that was a hot headed response of someone who has sat too long at their computer. HOWEVER, this was me just being a commenter not a media report.

Fun with facts!
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Fun with facts!
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

You’re one of very few with the courage to be an engaging commenter as well as reporter and forum director. For that alone, you’re among the best.

hmm
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hmm
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I thought the headline was neutral and accurate.

Flat girl
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Flat girl
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

A lot of DRAMA, no real change.
All the missing & murdered WOMEN still unsolved and their cases still neglected. I see no change. Just noise.

Mike
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Mike
4 years ago

The only way it changed the county, is that now the whole county is sick and tired of HSU’s BS. It didn’t expose racism, it exposed the fact that HSU is hoping for racism so they have a excuse to be woke.

Pharmstheproblem
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Pharmstheproblem
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Agree wholeheartedly

Willow Creeker
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Willow Creeker
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Mike, I think the comments that come out around this topic are the only proof needed to see the ugly, uneducated, backwoods and mean underside of Humboldt. There are some people here who would fit in in the backwoods of Alabama with their mentality. I’ve lived here my whole life and I want this place to be safe for any student from anywhere in the world. Do you have a problem with that?
You are the type who will throw out the race card before anyone else. Most normal people just want to see the guilty kid put in jail, simple as that.

tax payer
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tax payer
4 years ago
Reply to  Willow Creeker

how do you know they were a kid. oh wait you have already made your judgement. i mean evidence and facts pfffffhh

Wow!
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4 years ago
Reply to  tax payer

I would imagine the word kid was used as they were college students. It would be nice if people commenting on here would leave out their hateful opinions.

tax payer
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tax payer
4 years ago
Reply to  Wow!

the word kid was referring to the ‘guilty’ party

rollin
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rollin
4 years ago
Reply to  Willow Creeker

Willow Creeker

“I’ve lived here my whole life and I want this place to be safe for any student from anywhere in the world”

Uhhhh, it is safe. Your statement, however, insinuates that if you are from another part of the world it is not safe. So if you are black or from another part of the world you are in more danger in Humboldt?

Then you have the balls to go on and say: “You are the type who will throw out the race card before anyone else.”

Do you not see the irony? Of course you don’t. Typical liberal calling people racist while utterly clueless about the inherent racism in your comment. That’s why I call you hippycrits.

I think you should go on a crusade to require permits for knives the same way you are on a crusade to take away people’s guns. More people die from knife wounds anyway don’t they?

Yeah, sure
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Yeah, sure
4 years ago
Reply to  rollin

Take away peoples guns? Veering off into paranoid Trumplandia calling people racist for no particular reason…

Mike
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Mike
4 years ago
Reply to  rollin

Hey willow, how very woke of you. Your interest is students being safe here? How many seminars, lectures or protests have been held about the dangers of mixing narcotics, alcohol and raging hormones of adolescents as a result of this? Zero. I’m not the one that broke out the race card in this (edit)show of a debacle, and all that card has done is hinder the investigation since the very beginning. All it’s done is alienate the rest of the county. Nobody outside of HSU even cares about this event or issue anymore. If anything the only way it had a impact on the county is by creating indifference. And that ain’t my fault.

Willow Creeker
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Willow Creeker
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Hey Mike- read your comment I was responding to. You always scramble to these kinds of posts trying to get your digs in. Like that uncle at family dinner- that’s pretty much you. I’m no more woke than the next guy, but I do try to look at things with an open mind, and make my choices on my own. Not straight out of the rush Limbaugh/ Fox News talking points.

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
Reply to  Willow Creeker

Folks, stay at talking ideas. Please avoid bashing personalities.

Black Rifles Matter
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Black Rifles Matter
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Ohhhhb really?? 👌🏿

lol
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lol
4 years ago
Reply to  Willow Creeker

Well no the first people to throw out the race card were the anti-white folks. Those driven by white guilt. And we do not know who this guilty kid was.

Yeah, sure
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Yeah, sure
4 years ago
Reply to  lol

Yeah,sure

Roll Tide
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4 years ago
Reply to  Willow Creeker

Humboldt County making fun of Alabama…wow….pot meet kettle…

Alf
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Alf
4 years ago
Reply to  Willow Creeker

So… I have a bachelor degree and some postgraduate studies. I have been in the work force since age 9 in the 70s. I’ve worked in a huge number of fields, raised a family and volunteered regularly for multiple local agencies. You don’t like my point of view. However, according to Willow Creeker I am considered uneducated and backwoods and don’t fit in here. True, I would feel better in the presence of the lowly folks from Alabama with whatever mentality WC is talking about any day! By the way, if you have lived here your whole life, how do you know Alabama has a “mentality ” in the first place. I have some very deer friends from there.

Willow Creeker
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Willow Creeker
4 years ago
Reply to  Alf

Very deer friends? Sorry mate couldn’t resist

rollin
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rollin
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Also agree wholeheartedly!

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago

DNA evidence on knife:

72% David Lawson
26% Kyle Zoellner

From Grand Juror:

https://kymkemp.com/2019/10/23/who-killed-josiah-the-video/

[23:45-24:00]

I like stars
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I like stars
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Reasonable doubt in this case:

100%

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Bullshit.

And I’m not going to go thru the motions all over again of why Kyle should be in jail.

And your ignoring statements from Police and FBI investigators to reach your unreasonable position.

rollin
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rollin
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

“And I’m not going to go thru the motions all over again of why Kyle should be in jail.”

Thank god for sparing us all. The only thing more tired than this case is hearing you preach about it as if you were Barnaby Jones. I’ll believe you won’t go on a temper tantrum, diatribe when I see it. When that predictably fails, you can tell us all how enlightened you are beyond a bunch of ignorant jurors who you probably deem as racist because they don’t agree with you and chose not to move forward on an indictement…..Yawwwn.

Yeah, sure
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Yeah, sure
4 years ago
Reply to  rollin

Hahahahaha, you jump on these articles like you’re some kind of expert EVERY SINGLE TIME, so quit with trying to stifle someone’s opinion. Thought all you Trumpers were all about free speech…..

Dam
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Dam
4 years ago
Reply to  Yeah, sure

Better than being a Biden and not knowing what day it is. Does anyone stop and think if Josiah just”minded his business” he would still be here? They were in combat so….wouldn’t that mean self defense? Also wasn’t their a third DNA that wasn’t identified? I’m for the theory somebody went to stab Kyle and got Josiah. Stabbing both while they were fighting. I think people just like to think of reasons to protest.

Doggo
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Doggo
4 years ago
Reply to  Dam

Who is Biden?

I like stars
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I like stars
4 years ago
Reply to  Doggo

I don’t even think he knows himself. It’s sad to see the effects of dementia.

W.H.
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W.H.
4 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

lolz

Dam
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Dam
4 years ago
Reply to  Doggo

Sleepy Joe

His nose is getting longer
Guest
His nose is getting longer
4 years ago
Reply to  Dam

Says Liar Trump

Alf
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Alf
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Since there is a serious lack of credible witnesses, DNA doesn’t necessarily prove Kyle committed the murder. The beating he took as shown by the booking photos shows he was a victim of some kind of physical violence. If he was that beat up, and he did stab Lawson, it could well have been self defense. But with HSU involved in the race riots that they deemed protests, there is no possible way a fair trial could happen within 500 miles of here if anywhere. If nobody credible is talking, there is no case.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Alf

You have 0 idea that his wounds are post stabbing, as opposed to before.

David’s friend Paris knocked Kyle down [edit] after he saw David stabbed.

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

If that was all there was to it, laws on would be in jail. And your comment about “knocked Kyle down like a bitch” is good reflection of sexist rhetoric.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

My comment edit options are gone.

I wanted to change that to “punk mother fucker”.

Your criticism of my comment is fine.

Mike
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Mike
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Yeah, they curb stomped that “punk mother fucker” good.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

That’s not the testimony from the courtroom.

Maybe you should tell em what you know.

FanOfGuest
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FanOfGuest
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

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Thirdeye
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Thirdeye
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

So Paris claimed, but he was not a credible witness.

ok so . . .
Guest
ok so . . .
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

yeah, we all know that both were bleeding and there as a knife.

Mr. Bear
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4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Can you link where you actually got this specific info?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Bear

The link is in the comment.

It’s a video. The time of the statement in the video is noted in my comment.

Anon
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Anon
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Brian, I appreciate your intelligence and your attention to detail. I always enjoy reading your posts, debates, and opinions. Thank you.

In light of that, you should not be giving the mystery Grand Juror (mGJ) so much credibility. His statement about the DNA on the knife has apparently been verified by multiple unnamed sources, but at least one other Grand Juror privately refuted to me what mGJ said about the preliminary vote of 15 of 18 jurors believing Kyle stabbed Josiah, and a few other statements published in print media.

Whether mGJ heard things according to his own bias or is simply making things up, it’s irresponsible for him to be making statements like that (and for media to print them) when the truth of his statements can’t be verified. It seems as though people believe that because mGJ was willing to break the law and talk openly about the case, he must be telling the truth.

Of course, the fact that I will not name the other juror and that other jurors will not publicly dispute mGJ’s story throws some doubt on everything I say in this post. Why isn’t mGJ held to that standard? With no corroboration or rebuttal, mGJ’s statements should not carry the weight they seem to.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Anon

That is a possibility.

However the the DNA evidence amounts can be thrown into question by the points you raise, the DNA itself is not.

Mrs. Lawson was told that the knife had her son’s and Kyle’s DNA.

Mr. Bear
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4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

You mean from an anonymous person claiming to be a grand juror.

Hardly the same thing. I had already heard this and discounted it. I was hoping for something new

Fun with facts!
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Fun with facts!
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Grand juror very possibly a fake, who had his own facts backwards, and in the very least decided guilty sans defendant’s testimony. And that’s a Federal Grand Juror, making him a disgusting individual for basically condemning a person to death without even wanting to hear their side of the story.

King G
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King G
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

The real Brian I agree plus he brang the knife with him intending to use it isn’t that premeditated?? If that was me who stabbed anyone I would be washed and my brother was murdered in 2009 and because of who we are we don’t get justice his murder still cold case smh

Zipline
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Zipline
4 years ago

Hey, Ryan, what a waste of verbage. Don’t see you writing any tales about all the other unsolved deaths in HumCo. Just sensational writing mostly for your own benefit.

ICU812
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ICU812
4 years ago

Follow the money.

Liberal teardrops
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Liberal teardrops
4 years ago
Reply to  ICU812

Helloooooo

Can we stop wasting space both here and on all the posters still slapped around town about this dude that died?

He was NOT innocent. Lawson had a temper and also a propensity to fight

You make your bed you get to lie in it. Even if it’s a casket. Live by the fighting die by the fighting.

As for his mom, I’m very sorry for your loss mam, but please do your mourning without costing our city more drama or tax dollars.

Yeah, sure
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Yeah, sure
4 years ago

Your name says it all…..

FanOfGuest
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FanOfGuest
4 years ago
Reply to  Yeah, sure

I’m stocking up on Kleenex. I will than be re selling them at inflated prices when Trump wins again. Is that capitalism?

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  FanOfGuest

Don’t count your chickens before they hatch. There may yet be a contested convention and the Democrat might just find a candidate who can win. It would only need a minimally normal human being, if they can manage that.

Just saying
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Just saying
4 years ago

All BS. Dudes buddy stabbed him.

Mr. Bear
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4 years ago
Reply to  Just saying

If you were there, go to the police

expanding insignificance
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expanding insignificance
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Bear

That’s just it. If Zoellner did it, you would think the witnesses would have stayed around until the police came.

His afro brother is never investigated.
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His afro brother is never investigated.
4 years ago
Reply to  Just saying

What if Lawson and one of his afro brothers had a disagreement. Say over a girl or a drug deal. Then at the party this afro brother and Lawson are still in a disagreement. Opportunity shows itself and the afro brother pretends he will help Lawson, but in reality he seizes the opportunity and stabs Lawson. They to offset the blame he cozies up to the mom while playing the race card. He’s covered. Police won’t suspect him and if they did they would back off because of the his race. The perfect crime!

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago

A lot of what if’s… Also “afro brothers… ?”

I like stars
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I like stars
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I think these guys are the afro brothers.

J
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J
4 years ago

Aren’t Arcata mayors on a regular yearly rotation within the city council? Why is this being falsely portrayed as having anything at all to do with a murder case? And why is it racist simply because one man had fairer skin tone than the other? Was there also any evidence of actual racism? Or is the difference in skin tone now considered evidence of racism in a hypersensitive culture. I think playing the race card when it is not applicable can severely hinder an investigation. As many as 30 known witnesses? DNA evidence? Something is not being publicized.
I feel terrible for the victims family, thoughts and prayers!

tax payer
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tax payer
4 years ago
Reply to  J

dont you know the white guy yelled a racist slur as he charged the black skinned gentleman with a knife in his hand for all to see

I like stars
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I like stars
4 years ago

Unless you were there, you have the same amount of information as Alf.

The difference is that you pretend to know more than you actually do.

Mike
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Mike
4 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Or Brian.

I like stars
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I like stars
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Yes. My comment was meant as a reply to Brian’s. I got it in the wrong spot and don’t have the ability to edit today.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

It’s not my fault you can’t study the reporting and put forward a credible scenario that supports or discredits the blood on the knife.

All you seem to do is hate on my efforts.

Cool pack o winners u are.

I like stars
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I like stars
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Inconclusive.

The legal standard for a conviction is guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Even if it were beyond a reasonable doubt that KZ was the stabber, the plausibility of self defense would still exist.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Kyle by law is innocent, like OJ Simpson.

Kyke, by the evidence, is guilty, like OJ Simpson.

Mike
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Mike
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

So, your saying hes innocent?

Mike
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Mike
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Ironically enough, there’s a significant amount of people that think that Glen Rogers killed Nicole Simpson after he was hired by Oj.

P*** W***lies
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P*** W***lies
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Exactly.

That’s a deep dive into Davey Jones Locker.

King G
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King G
2 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

But he brought the knife with him and it’s not a picket knife it’s a butcher blade so it’s not self defense that’s a coo out for not facing the real problem in humbolt county

King G
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King G
2 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

But he brought the knife with him and it’s not a pocket knife it’s a butcher blade so it’s not self defense that’s a cop out for not facing the real problem in humbolt county

Willow Creeker
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Willow Creeker
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Hey, at least Brian states the ‘best evidence out there’ instead of conspiracy theories about his ‘Afro brothers’.
The most likely answer to a crime is usually the right one. Everyone gets what’s coming eventually, even OJ.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Willow Creeker

Kasey Gleatons testimony was what I consider some of the most damaging to Kyle and the APD.

I wish that Mrs. Lawsons lawyers had exploited it further in pre-lim.

Thirdeye
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Thirdeye
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Gleaton’s account of the scuffle cannot be reconciled with Paris Wright’s.

Perspective
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Perspective
4 years ago

There was a fight. Someone unfortunately got stabbed and died. End of story. It would be different if someone just showed up and starting stabbing without a fight. It doesn’t matter the color or either party involved. What if it turned out different and Josiah choked Kyle and ended up killing him? Extremely sad situation, but I have to say, it is what it is. Sometimes fights can and do lead to death. Is anyone really to blame?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Perspective

The fight was started because Kyle’s drunk ass, yelling girlfriend Lila was blindly accusing black guys of stealing her phone.

And yes, there is always blame. Are you kidding?

The yelling of Lila has blame.

The fight has blame.

And David’s killing has blame.

All 3 events though interwoven, are separate as well, and all posses guilty parties.

Perspective
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Perspective
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Who gives a shit how and why the fight started. If it was white guys, would you feel different? It was a FIGHT, not a debate. Not sure about you, but most people would do whatever it takes to survive a fight. Fighting kills people and some have the smarts to survive. And no, I’m not kidding.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Perspective

I’ve never been in a fight where someone died.

Most people haven’t been.

And the fight had broken up by the time David was stabbed.

Maybe Kyle’s ego was hurt, he went to his car, “grabbed something from the trunk”, went back to tussle with David, David is stabbed twice, and someone sees Kyle “drop something shiny” by the crime scene.

Paris proceeds in knocking Kyle out after he notices David “is leeking” after rolling on the ground with Kyle.

Perspective
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Perspective
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

If in fact that was the way it happened, Kyle should be tried for murder. If it happened in the heat of the moment, it was self defense and he should be walking free.
People train hard nowadays in different fighting styles and most use chrome holds. Chime holds lead to death as it’s been proven in a few well known police arrests. At this point in time, anything goes in a fight. Most want to go home and not be a victim.

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
4 years ago
Reply to  Perspective

Yes I agree, except …

Guilt or innocence is solely dependent on the current popularity. Times change convictions everyday.

It’s a “Who done it?” where the facts aren’t being exposed, just the racism.

We should get this case solved and ended ASAP.

Perspective
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Perspective
4 years ago
Reply to  Rod Gass

Fight breaks out, one person gets stabbed and dies. Case solved. What part of fight do some of you not get? Are there rules? What am I missing? Is it because the deceased is black? Is that it because there are plenty of murders in Humboldt and they get little to zero attention, unlike this fight that turned deadly. Fights are brutal. Shit happens. Don’t fight if you don’t want to risk losing your life. Pretty damn simple!

well . . .
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well . . .
4 years ago

“We need people to corroborate what the DNA has proven.”

Then it hasn’t proven anything at all. And how could it, given that we know KZ was bleeding from a savage beating and his blood could reasonably end up anywhere in the crime scene?

hmm
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hmm
4 years ago

Seems like all we will ever be able to do is guess on this one. My guess is that KZ stabbed DL in self defense.

I think it was smart for him not to admit that because given that he is white and DL was black, it could be very hard for him to get a fair trail with the current sentiments in our society. Most jurors would either never convict KZ (based on the races of the two men) or would convict him regardless of evidence (based on the races of the two men).

It is tragic and made more so by unsupported assumptions of prejudice.

Anon
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Anon
4 years ago

Who killed CHRIS GIAUQUE?

http://www.chrisreward.org/

Who killed STEPHANIE GAWBOY?

https://kymkemp.com/2019/04/24/stephanie-gawboy-over-2-1-2-years-since-her-homicide-with-no-suspect-identified/

There are dozens upon dozens of other unsolved homicide / missing person victim’s cases in Humboldt.
But we get to hear about this guy’s untimely passing while drunk and fighting at 3am. Ok

Flat girl
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Flat girl
4 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Thank you.

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
Reply to  Anon

On Stephanie’s death anniversary: https://kymkemp.com/2019/04/24/stephanie-gawboy-over-2-1-2-years-since-her-homicide-with-no-suspect-identified/

Chris…Chris was someone I considered a friend. And I try to write but I just keep shoving it to the back because it is hard.

JustWantToHeartheEndoftheStory
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JustWantToHeartheEndoftheStory
4 years ago

Changed the county? Ryan is indulging in hyperbole. Lots of unsolved murders in Humboldt, for that matter, Mendocino and Trinity. If Lawson’s killer is to be caught, one has to look no further than those who were at the party that night, and ask, why is there no video, no one catching any of the events on their phone. But sure, blame the long time residents of Humboldt, deflect, defer, deny…

I like stars
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I like stars
4 years ago

I don’t think he even knows himself. It’s sad to see the effects of dementia.

I like stars
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I like stars
4 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Oops, wrong location for this comment.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

“It’s sad to see the effects of dementia.”

“Oops, wrong location for this comment.”

Omg, thanks for the laughs.

I like stars
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I like stars
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

My pleasure. Glad to learn you have a sense of humor. You hide it well.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

I make mistakes too.

Normally the edit option is available for clean up.

I guess we all are going to have to think twice before commenting today.

I like stars
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I like stars
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Agreed.

As a side note, even though I often disagree with you, I respect your input here. I know anyone who proactively designs and builds his own roof sprinkler system is my kind of person regardless of political views or other differences.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Respect back to you.

tax payer
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tax payer
4 years ago

oh i know what changed. the ‘brothers united’ changed their homepage to include other races. thats right, it used to say it existed to only help a certain race

Bill
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Bill
4 years ago

Agree 100% with Anon comment above. Many, many unsolved murders in this area and we get to continually hear about this one that occurred to a young male partying it up at 3:00 am and fighting.

Yes, we feel bad for the mother and family, but we as a community are not negligent or racist because we can’t solve this case.

All unsolved cases should be treated with the same level of effort and sympathy.

Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill

We do repeat stories about many of the missing and murdered: Danielle Bertolini, Garrett Rodriguez, Sheila Franks, Jeff Joseph, Khadijah Britton, Jennika Suazo are ones that sprang immediately to my mind.

Lawson’s mother is very active and has a lot of support in the community and she is good at generating press (That’s a good thing that every organization for murdered and missing suggests). I hope should someone I love be killed that I am as active and committed to seeking justice as Charmaine and that I would manage to harness the passions of people into helping my vision of justice occur.

I think if she was a white mom who came from this community, that many of the people reviling her here would be applauding her fight.

Lady
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Lady
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

“I think if she was a white mom who came from this community, that many of the people reviling her here would be applauding her fight.” Lol. Just L O L. If

A
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A
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I think there is an unfortunate cultural difference. White parents generally don’t encourage disruptive behavior that stops public meetings. They generally don’t encourage riots and call them protests. It is not racism to disagree with these cultural differences on the basis of law and order and respect.

That said, environmentalists of all cultures act this same way over trees, so I guess a deceased is an upgrade. It is just unfortunate we have to allow it at all.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago
Reply to  A

You got some stats on those goofy claims? That’s the biggest load of crap in this thread.
Jesus……

I like stars
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I like stars
4 years ago

You do a good job of keeping these people on our minds. Thank you.

A couple of others that come immediately to me are Bob the Builder and Hugh Duggins.

Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Dang. Yes. My brain is fried from not getting outside. Both of those are people I’ve tried to keep people remembering. I also forgot to include Shannon House, too.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

But is the list of prior related stories for all of those as numerous as the one on Lawson? Does any one of those come close to the number of stories on him? When is enough?

Mike
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Mike
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Every time I see a Lawson headline I think, here comes Brian, and that Lawson should just have his own section like cannabis or the coronavirus. At this point there should just be a Monday update. “No New Informantion”

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Weird Mike, looking at the thread you commented before me.

Weird.

And only have a few more comments on this thread than you, but people are asking me questions and I draw more replies because of my position.

So, no biggie, but it’s obviously on your mind just the same.

Mike
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Mike
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I’m posting allot because I’m hungover on my couch, what’s your excuse? You know what’s weird? I just did a quick run through, and this has been one of my points the whole time, In fact kym mentions earlier how Lawson draws hundreds of comments every time. Right now there are 98 comments, you have 13 and I have 7 but the funny thing is there are at least 20 direct responses or responses to the responses that are direct my or you fault. I believe that comes out to at least, at least 36 percent of this thread is yours or my fault. Roughly, remember I’m hungover, so I will not be held accountable in math. It makes me realize if you and I simply SHUT THE FUCK UP! Then this would have no more comments than any other thread. So…… I’m going to do my part, balls I’m your court.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

You must take into account that some of these various “commenters” are one person.

I like stars
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I like stars
4 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Most people are only one person. How many people are you?

Erik
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Erik
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

“Remember I’m hungover, so I will not be held accountable in math”. Thank you, I’m adopting this strategy henceforth.

Lady
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Lady
4 years ago

So much for Resting In Peace. Poor soul keeps getting disinterred every few months.

Anon
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Anon
4 years ago

You do? Are you sure you meant to say that ? Because it kind of sounds like you are making assumptions about your readership by claiming their motives for forming opinions is based solely on skin color! Wow . I would like to assume that your readership is actually quite capable of forming a view of a topic independent of the race of any of the characters involved.

Charmaine has unfortunately made this about her I don’t care what race you are, that’s annoying. And she has injected herself and her “cause” into everything that has happened in Humboldt. The biggest stretch was at the time of the tragic death of the two girls at the Miranda exit , she started grandstanding and making even that about the death of Josiah ! That was out of line and it’s a story
https://kymkemp.com/2018/04/15/two-killed-in-fatal-accident-friday-were-friends-of-david-josiah-lawson-says-lawsons-mother/ that is routinely left off of the backstory list.

Is it left off because it casts her in a bad light and doing that could be perceived as racist?

The reality is the grand jury looked at the obvious lack of evidence and they issued a refusal to idict .

This case has already gotten ten times more attention by our legal system and news outlets than any of the other poor victims that actually didn’t contribute to their own deaths. For goodness sake , Stephanie Gawboy was found lieing face down on the massage table; nobody’s having big rallies or running endless news sagas to find out who murdered her in cold blood. Oh I guess it’s cuz she’s white then, right. Sarcasm. But see how that sounds ?

Gandalf
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Gandalf
4 years ago

You’ve race pimped all day. Wtf?
Brian told u what happened long ago.
One of those once in a lifetime white on black young crimes.
Probably not what happened.

Gandalf
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Gandalf
4 years ago

Colen Flaherty is fake news Brian?

Gandalf
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Gandalf
4 years ago

I’m not Sid

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Gandalf

Well obviously…. you’re Gandalf .

Gandalf
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Gandalf
4 years ago

Drug infused party and the rare guy who whould say a damn thing.

Gandalf
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Gandalf
4 years ago

Boyfriend shows up in the 3rees
Simple as that

Gandalf
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Gandalf
4 years ago

Horrible situation

Gandalf
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Gandalf
4 years ago

These kinds of parties need to end, how fucking disgusting

Gandalf
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Gandalf
4 years ago

What an incredible youth, and what an incredible loss to the entire world.

Roger Smith
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Roger Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Gandalf

said 100’s of mothers after every weekend in every city from every state.. but nothing changes.. nothing has changed in decades…

Gandalf
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Gandalf
4 years ago

It’s horrible, and nobody likes this situ

Wakanda and “shit like” according to the amazing actor Jaden Smith
Guest
Wakanda and “shit like” according to the amazing actor Jaden Smith
4 years ago

It is okay, because Middle Earth was fake (cause Snopes), but those other realities may al be true. “Once you wish upon a Star…)

Pippen
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Pippen
4 years ago

Snopes is the shishenit

Not me mr magee
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Not me mr magee
4 years ago

What a stupid dramatic headline

No , his unfortunate death did NOT change our county.

Now this fake carona hoax WILL change the county

Thanks to Dr Fran and her crew of FRANkensteins out to squash our civil rights

Setting a new presidence.................
Guest
Setting a new presidence.................
4 years ago

But the use of knives has increased in crimes. Is there a connection here?

GUEST
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GUEST
4 years ago

You know it was over 3 years ago that 18 year old Jennika Suazo was murdered also & no type of closure or even a arrest was made in her case. Why don’t we hear anything about her?

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
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Kurt Simon
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Kurt Simon
3 years ago

Nobody’s life should’ve been taken that night. My condolences go out to the Lawson family. I can’t even imagine the pain they must be going through. Having said that; why wasn’t every person involved in this fight charged? If the 5 African Americans males didn’t beat 1 white male unconscious, there never would’ve been retaliation. But because one of the black students died, the rest are now completely innocent? Am I missing something? Nobody involved in this fight is innocent. If this was the other way around, and 5 white kids beat a black student unconscious, there would be nationwide protests for the one black student. I believe in BLM. Not one-sided immunity. I support true equality.

Roger Smith
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Roger Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Kurt Simon

agree w/ your comment.. first off the witnesses all said there was only one white kid involved – Kyle – they stated that so the police knew who did the stabbing – my question is was he doing the stabbing bc he was being jumped? seems unlikely he was stabbing and then jumped.. that makes no sense. everyone should be charged.. I’m pray for every mother who is crying post weekend in every city in every state bc I can’t understand.. god bless.

Kurt Simon
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Kurt Simon
3 years ago

Karen, why did you take my comment down? All respect lost from me. Blacklisting this website for being extremely biased and unprofessional.

How many other comments did you take down? Cherry picking your comments? I’m not black so my opinion doesn’t matter? I screenshot the entire webpage before and after my comments for proof. You’ll be in a youtube compilation video soon.

Bye Karen.

Kym Kemp
Admin
3 years ago
Reply to  Kurt Simon

Kurt, the commenting system holds all first time comments until I determine that they aren’t spam… . I moderated the comment and it is now up. (Sometimes asking before accusing is helpful.)

Kurt Simon
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Kurt Simon
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

My apologies Kym Kemp. Guess I jumped the gun a bit early. Been a long day for me. You can take down my direct outburst if you’d like, as it was unjustified.

Roger Smith
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Roger Smith
3 years ago

I heard the witnesses say there was only one white kid at the party and that was Kyle — they stated this so the police knew who did the stabbing, Kyle. Others said Kyle was jumped by brothers united.. which isn’t hard to believe he was jumped by someone looking at his face. so are we to believe that Kyle stabbed Josiah and then was jumped or was he jumped and then the stabbing. How can you have all these witnesses and no one tells the same story – my guess is that Kyle was being jumped and fought back. My opinion – makes the most sense. Its a tragedy no matter how you look at it and it all ends with another black mother crying.. like post weekends in every city in every state.. how a single race faces so many murders is chilling and sad.. I pray for marches and out cries in every city in every state for all the senseless deaths.. and not just when a criminal refuses police commands or an incident such as this. I pray for all.

Zane Williams
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Zane Williams
3 years ago

more ppl should play sports or get involved with more activities.. growing up playing sports you form a bond with your team mates – color isn’t an issue.. you have friends and team mates. to this today I have friends from every back ground every orientation.. and when I see them I see a friend. these liberals kneeling and apologizing.. are you kidding me.. if you’re apologizing then you probably are a guilty racist. If you listen to Morgan Freeman, he nails it. Don’t call me a black man, just call me a man. Stop talking about it.. we’re all just people.