Group Gathers at Garberville Town Square to Question Vaccine Mandates and the ‘Prevalent Narrative’ Surrounding COVID-19
Brian Quinn dancing while Catherine Gabitan talks with community members in the background. [Photo by Lisa Music]
The gathering was informal yet joyful as small groups discussed concerns and opinions amongst themselves to a backdrop of didgeridoo music performed live by John Hardin. Young children danced and laughed while a few elders held court in their own lawn chairs. The gathering was initiated by the newly formed Southern Humboldt chapter of the Humboldt Freedom Coalition headed by Catherine Gabitan. She told us that the purpose of the event was to gather in public, showing the community that the group is not going to hide. Up until now, the group has been hosting twice monthly potlucks in Southern Humboldt, as well as attending bi-monthly events in Northern Humboldt.
John Hardin playing the didgeridoo. [Photo by Lisa Music]
The website also has three digital petitions on its home page; two to stop vaccine passports both in Humboldt County and Trinidad School, and one to end the Humboldt County Mask Mandate.
Alternatively, Gabitan says she just wants to open civil discussions where individuals can openly question what is being said without feeling attacked or censored. She believes that viewpoints against mandated vaccines are being silenced even within the Southern Humboldt Community. The group claimed KMUD Radio in Redway has been refusing to allow dissenting voices to be aired. KMUD News Reporter, Lauren Schmitt, was at the gathering today, reporting on the event.
Katie Phillips, Interim Station Manager of KMUD, responded to our request for comment with this email:
Redwood Community Radio recently held our monthly Programming Review and Selection Council meeting via Zoom. During our public comment period a handful of community members voiced their opinions on the ongoing pandemic, in hopes they could acquire air time to share, what was described as, an alternative narrative regarding Covid-19.
Staff has invited the concerned citizens to utilize our audio letters to the editor, All Sides Now, as well as the many open forum talk shows we feature.
We always welcome the community’s input.
Also, Gabitan says that this news site, Redheaded Blackbelt (RHBB), killed a story about the circulation of her distributing information to local business owners on how they would be violating laws by enforcing the county’s mandates. RHBB reporter Matt LaFever recalled that last April, Gabitan was involved in a series of conversations and sometimes confrontations with Garberville and Redway businesses regarding pandemic protocols. LaFever said he engaged in a singular phone interview with Gabitan and subsequent Facebook messages, but then he returned to in-person teaching and other stories popped up and by the time he could get to it, the story which he hadn’t even started writing was no longer news.
On a National level, Gabitan believes the public is being fed one-sided information and being bullied into compliance while voices of people like Senator Ron Johnson are being censored by YouTube. The Wisconsin Senator had his YouTube account temporarily suspended back in June of this year after posting clips from an appearance at the Milwaukee Press Club where he accused the Trump and Biden administrations of ignoring the “use of cheap, generic drugs to be repurposed for early treatment of COVID.” Then he claimed that drugs hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin were “incredibly safe”.
YouTube said they pulled the videos because the platform does not allow content that contradicts local health authorities or the World Health Organization’s (WHO) medical information about COVID, specifically content that claims that Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine are effective treatments for COVID-19.
The Milwaukee Press Club reposted video of Johnson’s speech on their web page stating,
We hold these on-the-record events with journalists so the public has access to politicians and other decision makers, so they can get a better understanding of what they are thinking when they make decisions that affect all of us.
As an organization that includes journalists as well as others who strongly support our nation’s First Amendment, the Milwaukee Press Club believes it is extremely important to provide information on topics of interest regardless of their political perspective.
It’s also important to note, while we do provide this access, we do not endorse the positions of our Newsmakers or any other guests who speak at our programs.
Gabitan wants individuals to have access to “all the information” so people can make choices for themselves about their personal health. “I can just make decisions for myself based on the best information I have… and then holding it up to my life and making decisions from there. That’s all anybody can do.”
When asked what an individual’s public responsibility is, Gabitan encouraged people “to take the precautions [you] feel [you] need to. If you want to wear a mask; go for it. If you want to stay at home and isolate; go for it. If you want the freedom to take the risk of the injection because it makes you feel safe; go for it. …choose to take the precautions that [you] need to in order to feel safe, versus [asking me to take a vaccine].”
Gabitan questioned whether focusing so intently on COVID instead of the broader aspect of mental and physical health, was in fact best for the overall health of the country. She wants the government to allocate some of the advertising money spent advocating for vaccination used for information on alternative treatments, preventative treatments, and advocating individual responsibility to personal health, instead.
Bruce Burger, 80, holding court in his lawn chair. [Photo by Lisa Music]
The Humboldt Freedom Coalition invites anyone wanting to participate in their group to contact Catherine Gabitan at 707-572-7102. Information about the group can be found at humboldtfc.com
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Im glad there were only 20 people there.
Their numbers are shrinking. The unvaccinated now make up the majority of covid hospitalizations and are 6 times more likely to die.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status
Holy shit put down the kool aid buddy
Of the 11 hospitalized recently in Humboldt 10 were un-vaccinated.
+ the unvaccinated that have had COVID are more likely than the vaccinated to become infected again.
sorry but studies out of Israel show natural immunity is 27 times stronger than any vaccination you can take. besides that. the vaccine they’re mandating right now isn’t even very effective against the new strains of this virus that are coming out now. So what’s the point
Nope. Citation?
Mike E is correct.
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said no one ever
That’s fantastic for you!
If you don’t want to get the vaccine, don’t get it. I got it, 2 doses. saying things like prevalent narrative is just gobbeldygoop. Bla bla bla. I wear a mask also, it is MY choice. If you don’t want to, don’t. There are more important things to occupy your time.
Parse the data. There’s a marginal difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed under 65 years old.
As if those above 65 don’t deserve to be protected…
“A marginal difference” are actually human beings dying. When did republicans become so callous?
You’re ignoring the rate of hospitalization, which is dramatically higher among the unvaccinated.
Just because people don’t die doesn’t mean they aren’t suffering long-term effects from the virus. To only look at the death rate is misleading.
It’s obvious from the numbers that the policy approach for a 30 year old should be different than the approach for an 80 year old.
This might make sense if 80 year olds lived on some faraway island and had no contact with 30 years olds.
In other words, it makes no sense in the real world.
You must have a better creative capacity than that… or are you one of the policy makers?
The 80 year old should get vaccinated if they want to be protected against covid . What’s hard about this?
No because people spread it, regardless of age duh.
And regardless of vaccination status
Let me help you understand something senor facts. People who are no longer contributing to the tax base, as wage earners, and those who are pulling in Medicare, Social Security, etc are targets for a group of people looking to eliminate the bitter clingers, if you will, and lighten the load, so to speak.
Do me a favor and do some research on “Death Panels”, Dr Emanual , Bill Gates, etc
Maybe you could recognize you facts are different from their facts.
Get your head around the fact that there are brutal , vicious, killers who wear nice suits, and never get their hands dirty.
That’s what the working class is for.
Some, that border on psychopathic, probably are paying attention to the G.Maxweel trial ….
Just for the thrill of it.
‘Just because people don’t die doesn’t mean they aren’t suffering long-term effects from the virus’…and the long-term effects from the vaccine. If our Government was as transparent as they claim on the facts of the vaccine, and did not attempt to hide information like the Pfizer confidential documents, it might be easier to make a clear decission on the vaccine. “On November 15, The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) asked a federal judge to give it until the year 2076 to fully release all of the data and the documents the agency used as the basis for the approval and license of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine. Over 1,200 vaccine deaths reported within the first 90 days of Pfizer vaccine rollout, according to the first batch of Pfizer’s confidential documents released by the FDA following FOIA lawsuit.” https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2450661647461. So the Government and special interests may have some culpability in reluctance of people to take the “jab”, especially if your health system is compromised towards strokes or respiratory problems. So instead of grouping all of the people reluctant to take the “jab” as “anti-vaxxers”, and all the other ugly terms we use to divide each other, concider their mental health and the battle they are waging while people refer to them as expendable because of age or health problems.
Inless you are a scientist or have been reading or writing those types of ‘reports’ I imagine reading one might be quite a chore. Reading and writing a true lab generated research report is no mean feat. For the most part they are not written for laymen with no biology, immunolgy and other science backgrounds.
Hell, at this point most of what I read here regarding the ‘science’of how the vaccines work and how cells are effected tells me most of those writers don’t really know the Structure, further more the inner workings of, a cell.
“When did republicans become so callous?”
This must be a joke.
Sure – the random figure with no source info because I should always believe fancy figures posted on the internet. Nationally renown infectious disease specialists say this is a serious problem and the 800k+ dead so far in this country would corroborate that. If people don’t want to get vaccinated, no problem, don’t, but keep your kids home and homeschool them and stay out of public workplaces and establishments. The risk you pose for yourself and your family is your business, but the minute the cavalier attitude increases the risk for the community and beyond, that choice is unacceptable.
It’s from the link that “Facts” posted.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status
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Finally…someone said it! Thank you!
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Pretty much says it all. Thanks for that
Look at all the upvotes. I hope that works out for all of you.
I’m glad they’ve identified themselves.
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LOL! That meme never gets old.
Just more nonsense from people who are neither doctors nor scientists. They conduct “research” by watching politicians and quack doctors on YouTube and then dismiss the professional opinions of every major health institution and nearly every doctor in the US.
These people aren’t even qualified to review medical studies, they need to learn some humility.
Yeah, have humility for authority, lol.
That’s what’s called conformity by some of us.
Again, if our political and health leadership had any established trust with the general public, maybe some of us would be less hesitant to take their corporate vaccine.
John Hardin?
What a excellent social critic he is, I miss seeing his scathing comments on grower capitalism.
Curious what he thinks about the whole pandemic technological complex.
As a medical professional I suggest get vaccinated but combine it with a horse drug that isn’t Ivermectin: Ketamine.
I just got my booster shot! Hopefully I have a fighting chance against those who choose not to get the preventative care recommended by the leading medical providers. The statement in the article about preventative care is made by an idiot refusing the most recognized preventative treatment in the world. The shot is even free. Maybe these prevention by refusing preventative treatment individuals need to get a narrative that doesn’t look so outrageously stupid.
Maybe they already went through a case of covid and decided that after fighting it off and not dying like 99 percent of people that get it do they’d rather skip the vax.
The shot is free and givin by my medical provider. The irony. They bamboozled you good.
Wish I could have been there to listen to John play the didgeridoo. And chat with him.
Always appreciate his point of view, even if I didn’t agree with him on some points.
But reading the three comments above mine relates to a letter published here earlier.
Mind yours and others will mind theirs, dontchaknow?
If these folks are demonstrating for personal freedoms, then they are demonstrating for unrestricted access to abortion, ending all drug prohibitions, and LGBT marriage. If they do not agree with these things then they are hypocrites.
Actually, no. Fighting for the end to abortion is fighting for the right to life of an unborn baby. Fighting for freedom doesn’t mean sacrificing morals.
So youre saying covid doesnt kill? Id say its pretty morally objectable to spread a virus thats known to kill.
So youre saying hands off your body but not mine???
And just fyi a bundle of cells is not a baby.
Its a womans freedom to choose what she wants to do with a pregnancy. Thats the freedom to choose.
Some womrn die without an abortion.
Im starting a new campaign to get christian churches shut down
You are ruining our world.
I think spoiled brats still deserve the 1st amendment.
Your bundle of cells don’t mean anything to those feeding the propaganda of eugenics.
That’s what the pro abortion mindset is.
Eugenics to convince people to inflict suffering on themselves.
It’s so good, it’s working on the blind deaf and dumb
So to you people who can’t speak are dumb? Shows me the type of person you are right there. They can use sign language and are way more intelligent than a lot of people on here
Actually, no, again. There’s no moral sacrifice in freeing oneself of a cluster of cells that aren’t viable outside your body and which will destroy your life, unless of course you consider surgery to have a tumor removed to be a sin. And in either case, you’re not in a position to control a woman’s right to choose. It’s her choice and the moral failure is yours, to think your opinion on a private medical decision has anything to do with you.
Free access to abortions on California isn’t under threat from the SCOTUS case. Even Mississippi law allows abortions in first 15 weeks before the baby can feel its head crushed. How long does it take to decide to keep or kill?
Americans all have the same right to freedom from coercion by government do they not? A threat of government coercion to one (you must bear that child) is a threat to all.
https://kymkemp.com/2021/12/02/letter-writer-pleads-for-community-to-not-stigmatize-the-unvaccinated/#comment-1455596
One possible way to start trending crime, poverty and mental illness down a small small percent would be to whole heartedly accept abortion as a great option in difficult times.
Stop forcing labor and children onto this planet
How about post term abortion? Can I abort Democrats that I don’t want???
Pushing it too far.
Rhetorical question…
I’m not sure what got you in a bad mood today, but the insult level resulted in multiple of your comments being deleted. I generally enjoy your comments even if I don’t agree with them but I eventually am forced into banning commenters who have to be deleted multiple times a day.
Think about how necessary it was to put this article up?
Then understand the nature of your comment section.
You should recognize your part in this.
Kym should be banned.
Upset because one of your identities got banned? Watch this one bite the dust.
Oops. Better keep track of whether I’ve had comments deleted.
Why are my comments not showing up?
You are now on moderation after calling another commenter a racial slur. You now have to wait for me to approve your comments.
If we extend the deadline to somewhere around 2000 weeks we might be able to make a real difference.
Fuck it, make it 2000 years and let’s abort Christianity!
Your both coming up a little short.
Brian, you once again reveal that you have a very cruel heart.
Protip:
Virgins don’t give birth.
Tell that to the condors.
Comparing abortion to the removal of a tumor..
Thought I had heard it all.
A baby with a heartbeat is far more than a “cluster of cells”
mlr, I don’t agree with you on everything…
But I sure do agree with you
“wholejeartedly” on this issue.
Life is sacred.
It is not to be trifled with.
You have my respect.
Thank you.
The “heartbeat” of a 6 week fetus is not actually a heartbeat at all. It is electrical activity by as yet undifferentiated cells. You can look it up. But you won’t 😊
If you are trying to show that just having a heartbeat is different than actually having a heart, then by golly, I believe you may have just succeeded.
But only in a manner of speaking.
Tell us what’s the development of the baby’s heart at 10 weeks, 15, 20, 26 after conception? They abort babies that late in the US (and just six other countries in the world)
A person’s a person, no matter how small.
Psycho talk . All YOU are is a cluster of cells. Ever think of that?
Baby = tumor, I see. Huh.
It’s that mental process that gIves the elites it’s duty to abort your life as they see fit, just as long as they can do it on the slow and soft. Think about it, people say they will revolt to protect their “right” to kill the unborn, and that is your deal with the devil that gives the green light to them to force vaccinate you with an unknown quantity.
“Show me the insert, Jerry “
There’s not much chance of ending abortions but let’s at least move into the covilized world and ban the late term abortions allowed in the US and only six other countries, including China and North Korea. The rest of the world restricts abortions once the babies are far enough along to feel pain, the dismemberment and skull crushing abortionists savagely use in their procedures to kill sentient babies. How do they sleep at night?
My son’s unborn was terminated by a late term abortion. The fetus had no brain. I am greatful that this option was available. Late term abortion is extremely rare and never done for frivolous reasons. Mind your own business.
I’m sorry about your sons misfortune. But I certainly hope my tax dollars didn’t pay for that.
That’s EXACTLY WHAT LOUISIANA is telling the feds
“never done for frivolous reasons.”
never huh?
I usually don’t nitpick over word choice, but “unborn baby” is an oxymoron. An egg isn’t an “unhatched chicken”, it’s an egg. If you don’t want women to abort their fetuses, just say so.
My body my choice, bc nasty alley coat hanger abortions we don’t want to go back to. However in this instance, your egg would relate to the egg in your uterus unfertilized, like an egg unfertilized, but once an egg is fertilized, it is then a chicken in an egg, otherwise there would be baby chickens in the egg that we crack for breakfast. So just sayin, your logic doesn’t make sense here.
Have you ever been to southern Humboldt? The people present there almost certainly support all of those positions
Hmm… ” wants to open civil discussions where individuals can openly question what is being said without feeling attacked or censored”?
Notice anything about these people? That they never talk about anything other than how others are impinging on their rights but never about how they impinging on other’s rights? Accommodation is what others are required to do. That they demand respect for their constant rhetoric about how everyone from officials to doctors lie, lie lie but how anyone dare say that they are the ones doing most of the lie, lie, lying? That if a person gets sick, it is because they chose the life style of junk food, laziness and believing the media? Not at all that someone chose to spread a disease? That not enough people have become sick or died for them to willing to be inconvenienced by having to – oh the horrors- wearing a face mask? In the face of their own utter self centered contempt for any narrative they find objectionable, they find it best to complain about a lack of respect for their own lack of respect?
For tips on handling the level of discussion involved-
https://www.todaysparent.com/toddler/toddler-behaviour/how-to-handle-a-screaming-toddler/
“about how they impinging on other’s rights”
What rights would those be? There is no right to not get sick by someone else. Our rights are based on individual liberty from an oppressive government. I bet you are the type that sees the bill of rights as negative liberties because it limits government authority over the individual.
First let me thank you for not raising questions about my assertion about the utter selfishness of such by mentioning any concern for those damaged by your insistence that it all about you.
Second your use of the term ‘negative liberties’ sounds like another misunderstanding of government and the Constitution typical of those who only see the rights encoded in the Constitution but skip over the basic nature of the document itself. Of course the Bill of Rights are spelled out negative liberties in the way most people use the term AS APPLIED TO THE GOVERNMENT. Not because they “create” rights, which is what I suspect you want to others mean so you can attack them, but because the limit the rights of government and not of people. The people’s rights are not being questioned in it.
The basic place where the Constitution talks about the reason government has authority over people starts with the preamble and the mention of “promote the general Welfare.” Government exists to do that. So you are wrong. The Constitition does include a right not to be MADE sick by the unreasonable assertions of the self centered as to their own right to do what they want. In fact the tenth amendment says so pretty explicitly- “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”
Again it is simply not ALL about you.
You actually do have a freedom from someone intentionally giving you a disease. The problem with your illogic is that you assume that anyone who isn’t vaccinated is inherently infectious. Of course, if we actually attempted to implement your reasoning we would end up with having to charge anyone who was part of a fatal transmission chain with some kind of crime. And this would, of course, include vaccinated people.
And I’ve heard your argument before about your beliefs that vaccination represents some minimum effort and therefore releases a person from culpability. But what if the vaccinated person is gathering with others outside of their home? That seems like an unnecessary risk. What if they were closer than 6 ft from someone without q mask? Unnecessary risk. In fact, isn’t anyone who leaves their house without (at least) taking a widely available home test to ensure they aren’t carrying the virus today engaged in unnecessarily risky behavior if we are going to treat covid transmission as the most critical thing to avoid?
For that matter, why should we stop applying these metrics arbitrarily to a disease with a 0.3% mortality rate? Seems pretty arbitrary. Surely a disease like influenza or the common cold also deserves these measures.Afterall, why should you get a free pass for helping to spread a deadly flu?
Have you actually thought through the world you are advocating for?
“promote the general Welfare.”
Just because YOU think a mandate promotes the general welfare doesn’t make it true.
General welfare includes the right to be secure in your person, 4th amendment,
The government does not have the right to demand that a person take a shot that interferes, or tampers with, the very essence of what makes them human, their mRNA and DNA.
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A federal judge in Missouri has granted 10 states a preliminary injunction against the Biden Administration’s rule requiring healthcare workers to get vaccinated.
The federal government overstepped its authority because the mandate was not authorized by Congress, said Judge Matthew T. Schlep of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri.
On Nov. 4, in a rule that followed through on President Joe Biden’s mandate issued in September, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services required all healthcare workers in facilities that accepted Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement to be fully vaccinated by Jan. 4.
“Because this mandate significantly alters the balance between federal and state power, only a clear authorization from Congress would empower CMS,” Schlep said in the order. “Given the vast economic and political significance of this vaccine mandate, only a clear authorization from Congress would empower CMS to act.”
Continued to avoid link restrictions….
Here’s the rebuttal….
Nov 30 More on Compliance & Legal
Numerous states win lawsuits against federal vaccine mandateIn Missouri, a federal judge granted 10 states a preliminary injunction, and in Louisiana, the court issued a nationwide injunction.
https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/numerous-states-win-lawsuits-against-federal-vaccine-mandates
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These issues are being debated in the courts, so once again you position yourself as an authority on issues for which you have none.
Under your thinking, the government could demand everyone submit to the prior science of leeches and blood sucking, and what seems reasonable now, could look just as stupid in 20 years.
“In fact the tenth amendment says so pretty explicitly-“
Uh, no….it doesn’t say that at all, much less “explicitly”, nor does the “general welfare” clause give government the power to do whatever the fuck it wants. You are officially a lib. Turn off Rachael Maddow.
Well said.
Noo your are being completely condescending as usual.
Why can’t you just understand that not everyone believes what you do.
Why can’t we stick to s normal conversation without attacking eachother( goes both ways).
It’s not a tall tail to question what’s going in..
How many times do we have to repeat ourselves. Same arguments every day..
Would you like to meet up discuss this over coffee? Or you to afraid your vaccine won’t work since I’m covid unvaxed. ( not really a full anti vaxer!)
I ONLY SEE VAXERS ARGUING ON INTERNET NEVER IN PUBLIC.
Super spreader event.
Well, you gotta enjoy this!
Resident whack-jobs and assorted “local characters” being about as “Garberville” as people come…
Instead of posting a “2-Hour-Limit” sign on enjoying the “town square”, there should be a general warning broadcast over big speakers that Garberville exists in a space rather out-of-phase with the rational and physical universe…
I got a string of Jade Beads that can cure this condition, but, John Hardin used to be my idol, after all!
At least there was some nice fall weather to showcase the existential angst and general oppositional defiance displayed here, and remember:
COVID vaccine can’t prevent every case of COVID, but it generally works to keep the awful hospitals in Northern California from being overrun with nasty sick people…
I expect the dope-smoke-pollution is still a problem in GBV, and I always feel a bit dizzy after a visit…
Garberville, home of the out of control, the folks a bit too weird, and the people with marked emotional ennui…
Carry on, and, you can still have secretly get your vaccine, for free, down at Redwood Rural or way in the backstreets of GBV, at your indecent hospital, if you can find it and manage to park there…
Entitled dope growers with too much time on their hands.
Good on these folks for standing up and being heard!
There is no question that they are on the right side of this issue.
There are many questions. Perhaps you should read the comments. More people think this is crap than attended this “event”
Dear Juanita, perhaps you need a consensus to form your opinions…..I don’t….my opinions are based on common sense. Just because a majority of commenters think a certain way doesn’t mean that is the truth.
Exactly. Point well taken.
“Good on these folks for standing up and being heard!”
Yup, good, ole skool hippies. Remember when the left gave a shit about civil liberties before they cheered the FBI, cheered capitol police shooting unarmed women, cheered corporations in bed with government- censoring people at the behest of goverment. They are now fascists that like to run around calling people fascist.
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It’s 20 people who didn’t break or smash anything, block traffic and scream at motorists driving by. They are ok in my book. I’d say this is what a normal protest should look like whether you agree with them or not.
They are racist fascists. The people smashing windows are peaceful protesters. War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength. You are on moderation.
The article has great length too it. Lots of conversations in convoluted layers. Picture the rabbit just before the drop on splash mountain…quivering, shaking, ears laid back, sorrowful eyes. Oh no! Oh no! Oh no! Wonder if many in the group had lost any loved ones from COVID infection or a vaccine reaction.
Why are highly vaccinated countries experiencing COVID outbreaks? Dr. Bridle explains.
bitchute.com/video/7XXmStI8VINb/
Uh, no. https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-377989296609
MSM is working overtime to “debunk” anti-narrative voices……your fact-check article is full of nothing but straw-man talking points which “debunk” nothing.
I found it funny that the last line in the AP article is “Here’s more information on Facebook’s fact-checking program: https://www.facebook.com/help/1952307158131536”
Translation: AP is using facebook to fact-check a credentialed virologist who is willing to debate ANY scientist on Covid topics.
“Trust the
sciencefacebook”I’m glad to see the majority of people in Humboldt County who claimed to be hippies and pro-life and pro-choice and shit would rather give in to pharmaceutical company demands and government overreach than actually do what their parents told them to do a research things before they put it in their body. But then again you’re just going to use some straw man argument about how people do cocaine and don’t care either, right?
The collective dissonance is deafening.
Remember when it took years to approve a vaccine?
It’s disturbing. Radio ad “safe and effective for 5 year olds.”
(Except for myocardial deaths )
Literally one year after hasty emergency authorization suddenly good to go on our children? Who btw are unphazed by the virus but likely vulnerable to the side effects of these unproven “vaccines.”
This disasterous “vaccine” campaign is a disgusting, duplicitous, betrayal of public trust and is potentially life endangering to millions of our minor age children.
Any parent that forces this mRNA garbage into their child’s body is not using their brain and instead subscribing to fear, untrue narratives and this creepy pervasive your-body-is-now-my-business lefty agenda.
And I’m sorry, but Kym advising everyone – including the youth – to get these frankenjabs, is, in my opinion, dangerous propagandist editorializing. It’s not anyone’s business to tell someone else what fucking medical procedure to subject themselves, or their children to. Don’t tell me it’s about “saving grandma.” I’m sure grandma either got her shot, or won’t.
Morons endanger us all
C’mon Scott, that’s beneath the river you represent.
Science is all we really have to deal with reality.
Conspiracy theories are for people who can’t handle reality.
All you have to do is look at the data on these vaccines to see that it is absolutely not objectively true that the best course of action for all people is to accept as many of these injections as the cdc says.
I’ve never seen a vaccine so incredibly effective that the vaccinated are terrified of the unvaxxed, the vaccine needs to be administered at regular intervals to remain effective. Just like the mmr vaccine right? I’ve already had my 72 booster to protect from mmr and if you haven’t had your 72 booster you must be an anti vaxxer nutcase.
You are right about one thing. You can’t see what you refuse to see. The MMR vaccine for example is a three dose shot if the first one is given to an infant and is effective at that limit because the measles virus has not mutated significantly nor does it reinfect. SARS-CoV-2 does both. Stop complaining about multiple shots when you won’t even get the first one. Everyone would love a one and done vaccine but it doesn’t exist. That doesn’t mean your choice of doing nothing is the only other option. It is not even a reasonable thought.
I got a shot when I went outside and came into contact with covid. I lost track how many I got.
So what are the other options? The public health agencies of the world seem to be leaning toward mandates that include accepting as many boosters as they deem necessary. A number that they are clearly comfortable changing over time. Do you think that the French or the Israelis care that you think you are reasonable for taking the first two but not wanting the third?
You don’t have to line up for endless shots to be doing something. Another BS scenario.
Following you off a cliff is not the only choice available.
Here are some common diseases that require booster shots after the first shot; Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B, Influenza type B (Hib), Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Tetanus, Diphtheria, Pertussis, Varicella, Shingles. You don’t get buff with one trip to the gym, you gotta go work out regularly.
After you leave school, no one tries to force shots into your arm with treats of losing your job, until now. Adults usually don’t line up 4 times a year to get them, and none of them directly alter your mRNA through an unnatural process.
I pretty much do what’s good for me and others, but….
Funny thing, when first someone tries to bribe me, and then threatens me, I get defensive, and start wondering why.
Even when you are in school. Outside of 3 states that make it a little bit harder, in all other states the parents can simply sign a personal belief exemption form and be done with it.
There are many publications from geneticists explaining how mRNA triggers the bodies natural defense into producing antibodies. I haven’t seen one publication proving the mRNA vaccines can alter a person’s DNA. This is misinformation. I personally do not care about your personal decision one way or the other, but regardless of your opinion, please stop spreading misinformation or back this assertion that mRNA vaccines alter DNA with a link to reputable scientific publication as I would like to be informed
Here is an article I encourage you to read that explains the science behind then mRNA vaccine process. https://www.google.com/amp/s/informeddna.com/mrna-vaccines-and-your-dna/amp/
YES! If one actually knows how a cell works they would understand a cell protects its neucleus against such invasion. Hence there can be no alteration of the cellular material actually responsible for reproduction.
Fffs. No.
Not boosters after 6 months. And every 6 months with no end in sight.
Tetenus is 10 years! And even that , research has indicated is likely unnecessary.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/do-adults-really-need-tetanus-booster-shots-2020051219786
And the shingles vaccine ??? Hahahaha
fyi the shingles epidemic and sudden need for endless (poor performance) shingles vaccines is caused by the widespread vaccine efforts against for chicken pox! It’s a worm hole we made.
Fuck the endless shots!!
https://www.news-medical.net/amp/news/2005/09/01/12896.aspx
^^^^^^This!
Why are the freebie-heebie-jeebies wearing clothes?
Shouldn’t they be naked, on acid and cocaine, having unprotected sex with strangers of all genders in the middle of streets while ignoring the rest of the world like they want to?
I call bullshit. They aren’t free of anything but guilt over being so self centered and oblivious.
Being free to do what you want doesn’t mean that everyone would act out your repressed fantasies.
He doesn’t think it’s a valid protest bc no one looted Dazey’s and the Ray’s isn’t burned down.
Slinging damning accusations with one finger pointed outward while three more are pointed back. Typical Brian.
” Then he claimed that drugs hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin were “incredibly safe”. As soon as I read that it told me all I needed to know.
Can you link to the total deaths from hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin?
When I google it, it has mostly helped.
Of course I don’t mean the horse paste version.
When they said “the chance of getting thrombocytopenia was actually less after getting the vaccine”, it told me all that I needed to know…
The kooky left and the kooky right come together again- in their misunderstanding of what it means to live in a community. It’s not all about ‘you’ it’s about what keeps the community/world working.
I have to say I am disappointed by the effectiveness of the vaccines. They don’t seem to be very effective.
Here a jabber story like so many others:
I know some jabbernauts that play jui jitsu which is a sport/martial art basically wrestling.
They proclaim, vaccines, masks, and kids getting shots.
But then they will break social distancing to say the least and wrestle with others. With a mask of course before and after the vaccine! Science! If you really feared covid wouldn’t you act differently.
ITS A ACT!! KINDA LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO BUY RECYCLED TOILET PAPER, DRIVE TESLA AND THINK THEY ARE SAVING THE WORLD. COMMUNAL NARCISISM.
What I don’t get is if we have to take kids out of schools, close businesses, and stop travel why do they get what they want? I see this all the time don’t worry they will have a good excuse.
You see vaxers dont follow what they preach. They are also the ones who are the most vocal about controlling others. They will break any covid rule quietly without a second thought. Wipe those shopping carts so people can see you but not when your alone.
How are they at preventing variants?
And all three companies have created divisions in their companies to separate them from the lawsuits they have lost for harming the public. Most of these lawsuits have taken years and armies of lawyers to settle.
I hear that, but when such a small percentage of cases require hospitalization in the first place, it’s a tough argument to make for someone like me. I chose to get the vaccine for the reason of not spreading the virus to my elderly family and friends, not so much for myself. I’m healthy and not in an age bracket that would put me at much risk. It is disappointing that I have almost no protection from getting the virus and passing it on to friends/family after two shots.
“They don’t seem to be very effective.”
Congratulations. First ever transition. Keep up the deprogramming. Warning: The cult will not be happy; they do not like backsliders.
That’s odd that they claim to be censored because I definitely heard Gabitan on KMUD with others talking anti-vax.
I have been irritated by KMUD actually allowing the antivax crazies to express their viewpoint. So that portion of this narrative is untrue. And Kym does a great job, allowing “alternative” ponts of view also.
There you are, loudly proclaiming your silly anti-science. Where is Ron Machado?
Stupid First Amendment. I don’t know where public radio gets off, allowing people you don’t like to speak.
👍 First Amendnent!
So when is your group going to have a big pro choice rally???
Lets do it!
Hands off my body. No govt telling me what i can and cant do.
The attack on a womans right to get an abortion is an obvious limit on personal health freedoms!!!!
Wait whadya say? No you wont stand up for abortion rights??
Oh yeah thats right, personal health freedom for you but not for me. Thats how your whole scene works!!
Because you white guys now have to learn what the rest of us already experience. Youre not free to do what you want.
If you want to get covid and die please go for it but leave the rest of us alone!
If you dont support abortion rights you are obviously beyond hypocritical! Carrying covid around in the community kills too. A friends brother has had it and went to as many gatherings as possible with his kids even as he thinks its funny to spread it. For real.
Abortion and a pandemic are not the same i know, abortion wont infect other folks. If youre unvaxxed you can feel no symptoms and still carry and shed the virus for 21 days. Its like herpes. Read about viruses in a 6th grade biology book and learn.
Personally folks like you have stopped many folks from shopping in town. Youre shedding all over town.
So you dont care about our community and elders getting sick.
In so hum Ive seen unmasked folks at shell, both post offices and a cashier at shop smart actually took her mask off while i was checking out after telling me she had a “false positive” test. Ill drive north before ever going there again.
All i ask is when you get sick please do not go to hospital. Stay home and deal. If covids not dangerous then you should be fine.
Leave the hospital room for someone else.
Youre all convinced the shot is withdrawing your dna but you go to hospital when sick where they are definitely going to draw your blood and inject you with things.
Makes no sense and I truly hope you all get darwin awards soon. Very soon.
Yaybfor wishing death on people. You are such a kind person
Good thing that fancy “vaccine” works against the new variant.
heads so used to growing blue dream up there, can’t understand the virus is onto that Barry White now. Living in the past “vaxxers”
Wow! Keep those folks away from airplanes! They’re only going to hurt somebody and/or them selves. Sure ya’ll have the right to buy or not buy a ticket to get on board. But ya’ll do not have the right to attempt to pilot the craft. There’s good and sufficient reason. Now apply that to the rest of your lives and leave the piloting to those who actually know how to take off and land without killing anyone who got on board. Please go to a government “APPROVED” flight center and go through the COMPLETE training. However you may or may not pass the exams for those privileges. Those plastic wings ya got from a cereal box do NOT make you a pilot. Again, apply that to the rest of your understanding of life. It’s not magic or human points of pique. It’s physics.
That would be a good analogy if these people were demanding they be allowed to administer their own medicines to whoever they want.
This is more like demanding that these people fly just because it is APPROVED TO BE SAFE AND EFFECTIVE! And denigrating them for choosing to drive or walk instead
Thank you all for gathering!!! The censorship at Kmud is shocking! Glenn greenwald just said it best, “it is the responsibility of journalists to question public health officials, if they are doing their job.” Yet our “free speech” station is only a mega phone for government and the dominant narrative, and not just with covid. It’s disgraceful to all the volunteers, all the hours invested by so many, just to watch Kmud turn into msnbc garbage.
FYI Kmud essentially just canceled all shows and open conversations about covid that dont align with the dominant narrative. Kmud is not free speech, Kmud is Censorship radio.
Yes but it’s KMUD’s right to censor.
(This after the Fairness Doctrine was
repealed in the mid-eighties.)
There should at least be a discussion
on KMUD and/or elsewhere about why
they choose to exercise their right to censor.
It’s not just the anti-vaxxers they might
be censoring, it’s anyone who might have a
different or interesting viewpoint.
(They censor All Sides Now brutally; any
opinion deemed “inappropriate” is censored.
Who decides what is appropriate?)
I say stop the censorship or at least tell why
you need to censor, KMUD.
Simon and probably now Tanya decide what gets aired… So if your not mainstream liberal throwing up they’ll probably censor you
Well, Misguidedyouth, whoever you may be, I am not part of the staff that makes programming decisions. While I definitely voice my opinions, I just keep the studio and transmitters working. I do not decide what gets aired on KMUD, except on the Eurobureau, Wednesdays, 2:30 pm. You should listen, it might open your mind…
It must be tough being a misguided youth. I don’t think KMUD wants to be responsible for misguiding anyone.
Damn did I run y wrong? My bad.. either way, we both know kmud is a liberal bastion now, and not the old school good liberal, the new fascist liberal… And maybe you don’t decide what goes on the air,. It I highly doubt that you wouldn’t be up in arms if some trump supporter got 5 minutes of air time over there… Thanks for keeping the station running, but come on, you wanted to mandate vaccines for volunteers…
It’s funny that the anti-vaxxrs are trolling Simon/KMUD with outright lies… Like why would anyone believe you if you lie about trivial things like community radio? If you cannot even get your facts straight about petty things, why should any one believe you about serious ones? I love that Simon told it to you straight without using some fake name to hide behind like ‘misguided youth’ and ‘guest’. It’s sad that people think you can bully misinformation into facts.
When did I say anything about vaccines?? Calm down friend.
Oh and what did I lie about? Simon def wanted all volunteers to get the vax but got shot down by former ⛽ n manager… Sorry if you don’t know that but it’s true.. and I also apologized for getting it wrong that he censors all sides now.. I suppose Tanya’s does that job now.. who is knows. Who cares. Also I know that the board has tried to silence voices that are against the mainstream covid narrative. Facts.
If the Flat Earth society wants to talk about how the earth is flat, is a community radio obligated to give them a space to do so? How about the Ku Klux Klan theory of the inferiority of some races? Where should a line be drawn?
Here’s my thinking:
I provide a lot of space in the comment section for people to offer their opinions, but my website is not going to publish an article that states the unproven theories and outright proven false statements that people post there. Am I going to write an article that gives equal space to the wildly crazy theory that Michelle Obama was born a man? Not a chance. Am I going to buck the vast majority of scientists and claim COVID is a hoax that will all disappear once the election is over like many of my commenters claimed 13 months ago? Not a chance.
Now, you have an opinion about COVID vaccinations. You are entitled to that opinion. You can even try and persuade others of that opinion in my comment section or on All Sides Now. But, asking a radio station or a news site to publish untruths or even unproven theories in their regular programming is unreasonable.
And, I don’t know what KMUD did or didn’t do about requiring vaccinations, but the current science is overwhelming that vaccinations save lives and reduce harm so if they did require their volunteers to get them, then, KMUD is following the current science about how to save lives in the middle of a pandemic.
Thank you Kym for a balanced piece of journalism and for all of your efforts to regularly inform us,but especially for dealing with the commenters on your threads. I imagine it’s difficult and I appreciate your efforts greatly.
Is this the .idle of a pandemic? It sux that you are mainstream as fuck these days but oh well.
It sux that you are misinformed and won’t listen to facts and I believe in free speech…
Misguided actually not misinformed
Your pseudonym is the only truly accurate part of what you wrote. Please stop accusing and asserting things that are untrue. I have never ever filtered All Sides Now. The Board do not dictate programming and nothing has been censored. Misinformation spreading is a crime we as publicly funded publishers must control, which we are actively working towards. That’s a benefit you gain although it takes me uncounted hours to address every issue and we can never please everyone. Also, KMUD has made clear for a long time, that messages that are disrespectful to the listener will not make the cut. Our production team has plenty to keep up with to keep our radio stream running on a skeleton crew. I care. Every word you think or speak in anger and judgment has effects. Why not assess where you cannot please everyone all the time with harsh judgment and get back to me.
Just because you don’t like something someone says doesn’t mean it’s harsh, and even if it is, get over it. The world is a crazy callous place and I mean no harm, but kmud is seriously going down the tubes and maybe if you didn’t pay 5000 for Amy Goodman you could pay employees more? I dunno. Good luck becoming the new npr I guess
B.s. the board got a letter.once and told it members to pretend like they never heard it because it was anti vaccine
Facts. Go ask em.
Misinformation according to who? The liberal agenda? Crime? You’re just another in a long line of employees at a public radio station.. you’ll be gone a few years just like all the others.. EXcEOt SIMoN who I admit is irreplaceable
A Reality Check…. Back in the 80’s we traveled to South America. We were prescribed Hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic for malaria. After a little research, we found this drug is not safe. The reality is it causes blindness. Just do a little research and learn the truth for yourself. Here’s a quote,
“Challenge your preconceptions or they will challenge you”.
That’s fake news. Thats what I’m talking about. Hydroxychloroquine is used worldwide for many years Safely for malaria. A simple search will show you. Youre just another Trump hater. Well, keep it up. Push the vaccinations. I’m making lots of money on Madera stock.
Good thing you have Madera stock cause Moderna stock has been dropping like a rock. Down $1.19 in after hours trading. So what drug company is this Madera and where can I buy this stock?
Since development of the MRNA Covid vaccine, Moderna’s stock has gained 11,000%.
(Pfizer up 70% since)*
Nothing short of a easy retirement if you had been in early.
It would be a great time to sell no matter what, which also will bring the price down.
Nonetheless, Moderna is here to stay.
*
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/guess-who-pays-for-all-those-millions-of-covid-vaccines-105713330.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink
I know but he bought Madera stock not Moderna so he got ripped off
Definitely. And oops, I meant 1,100% increase not 11k.
That’s why the entire tropics and subtopics are full of blind people
GMAFB
“The reality is it causes blindness.”
Riiiiight, but the mRNA shot is perfectly safe!
Dirty Hippie MAGA. Truly the worst of both worlds..
Crystal worship ceremonies were quickly followed by palm readings and dreadlock-styling courses.
De-registering documents were distributed heavily, and Joe Rogan podcasts were available to listen to.
Things got weird around noon.
One person declared that they should “disrupt the system” by “switching their phones from am to pm”.
Everyone agreed hastily.
Within moments everyone decided it was very late and probably a good time to go to bed.
They are still asleep.
Leave the satire to someone with a sense of humor, Brian. Lame!
You idiots need to shut up and comply. I’m making money just like the biden crime family. By stifling covid19 treatments and mandating the vaccines, billions are made. All biden had to do is have a press conference and announce the omicron variant and in one afternoon the vaccine manufacturing companies stock went up $60 billion dollars. Maderna stock alone went up $28 billion. So just shut the fuck up and get the vaccination. There is serious money to be made.
If you bought a lot of Maderna stock you got ripped off, sorry to say.
The other real drug company Moderna’s stock has been dropping like a rock on news it isn’t effective against Omicron.
“Medical Freedom”? Their “individual freedoms” are threatened?
I don’t believe my “medical freedom” is threatened. I have choices. I choose to get vaccinated and everything that goes with that. The anti-vaxxers, which I assume are those gathering in Garberville to rally, are equally free to choose not to get vaccinated and live with everything that goes with that.
The only ones threatening Medical Freedom and choices are the repo cultists on the supreme court, in the US Senate and Congress. They want to take away both freedom and choices and that is ‘partisan’.
Even the supreme court has been threatened by the leftist nuts *Shummer etc.) with court expansion if they don’t rule the way they want.
Disgusting…. The liberal politicians have turned to the Dark Side.
As it stands, the supreme court has been packed by republicans, the only ones threatening your medical freedom of choice.
And Roman Catholic judges at that. What happened to separation of church and state. Looks like it’s going to be tested real soon.
Thank god Cuomo got fired. Maybe we’ll hear less baseless BS like this
Why isn’t killing the baby within 15 weeks of conception good enough for you? Doesn’t hurt you but saves the baby’s pain. The rest of the civilized world has more compassion than the US.
“Follow the money” as anti-vaxxers say.
So….who is pocketing the money from the junk they’re selling on their website?
Does it just go back into making more stupid post memes on there, is it Catherine’s money making scheme?
They’ve got 100 signatures, 4%, of their goal. But hella merchandise! Nice local model should help sell it.
So, yall goofballs go buy your hoodies, and be good little advertisements for the circus.
Haha yep, Alex Jones million dollar supplement scheme is totally comparable to the billion dollar pharma hustle.
Do you know the difference between a million and a billion? I’ll give you a hint, it’s magnitudes
Just get vaxxed or not.
Why try to get others to change their mind?
Lots of time wasted on topics like this.
While they burn down this country
Yah and how many loud mouths on here would say anything to people in Publixx.. ? None. Absolutely none. Chicken shits.
Probably more than a few here trained in lethal force, but they don’t ever speak loudly, they’re just killing machines waiting for a call from that private contracting firm that privatized killing.
I find this all to be a very disturbing ploy to plug her “coaching” services.
I think it’s ironic that she wants to participate in civil discussions but has acted aggressively towards businesses and locals by enforcing her beliefs on to them without any regard to their health and safety.
The group claims they want their own “unique journalism” but can’t even accept basic facts about how communicable diseases work.
They talk about about wanting to learning all sides but when presented indisputable facts or where there’s gaps in their sources, they act aggressive.
Basic fact about how communicable diseases work: virus particles are not alive.
They rely solely on the host to replicate enough to induce “symptoms.”
It’s moronic to foist masks and injections on the populous with a donut as incentive, while ignoring sound immune defense , and personal accountability through nutrition, supplementation, and activity!
And mention must be made of the blinders being on full time when it comes to early hygienic, holistic treatment over hospitalization. Talk about being obtuse to facts about communicable disease! Enter Hoffman, Fauci and the clown posse of “health” officials.
You can’t supplement your way out infection. You still get old even if healthy. And you can’t personally life style your way out of genetic liability. Those who twist on what should be a positive message of better self care to as an excuse to not act with care for the more vulnerable in their community are worse than wearing blinders. They are willing that others should die rather than be inconvenienced by them.
Always good for a chuckle auntie. 🎭 Such dramatics.
google Herman Cain Award you will see all your fellow anti vaxers with the best memes and how all that turned out for them ,,,,,,,
that’s not racist
As someone from Wisconsin, I’m glad some people are standing up for Senator Ron Johnson, wealthy tea party right wing Republican, that also enthusiastically believe Trump won the election. In a crowded field, he is arguably the dumbest person in all congress. It will make Ron feel better know that twenty people in Humboldt think so highly of him. “Stop the Steal!” “The best, is yet, to come!”
mRNA inventor stands with Abp. Viganò’s call for alliance against ‘fundamentally evil’ COVID tyranny | NC Renegades
The science…as one finds it… allows govt admin state to stand in opposition to individual freedom. The US constitution has been suspended…per COVID.
Who is the criminal? The non vac..or the forced vac people?
The Bland Acceptance Of Totalitarian Absurdity – Francis Berger
OMICRON – The Silent War that has been raging for decades and is now coming to fruition – Letter from Great Britain [12-04-21] – The Burning Platform
If..you for a moment… take the thought path that the CCP….China Communist Party wuhan virus was not govt incompetence..it was conspiracy… to crush the evil USA…. you would see a plan to institute govt martial law type of controls…on a democracy: The USA.
Maybe. Maybe not.
I suggest you gather some food..and you arm yourself…as ..they are looking to knock off the sheep… .lower the population. Opinion.
Adjust your reality paradyme accordingly. Maybe they are actually out to rule you by fear…and maybe they are out to lower the world population to save the green earth.
Healthy Woman Describes Time As Prisoner In Australia Quarantine Camp
[Kym… let the libertarian comment through please..for reality check. Mark]
We Were Soldiers – The Final Battle Scene – YouTube
The non jabbed… just want to be left alone. What is the libertarian demographic…maybe 15%?
FBI, US Marshals… CHP… part of them are on the same page.
It won’t be guns used as a tool for resistance to forced mRNA jabs. It will be 50 cent BIC lighters. Think. Think burning of various muni watersheds by arson. North coast fires in August…
We are never going to be Australia with forced Covid camps…nor are we to be Austria..nor Canada..with separation of vac/non vac..in public schools…or grocery stores.
Not going to happen. Civil war …in a biblical fashion…will happen instead.
People want to protect each other..common Covid courtesy…common Covid respect…. and they also demand freedom.
Carolyn Hyde | Train My Hands For War – YouTube
The Good Doctor who speaks with Authority.
You mean the doctor that got covid then tried to fix it by getting a vaccine when his symptoms did not go away and now blames the vaccine for not fixing what happened? That “good doctor?” Anti vaxxers use his personal frustration that the rest of the world does not give him the glory he thinks he deserves to further their propaganda while he uses their propaganda platform to air his grievances and bask in their attention.
while we are going full IRA…who controls the PGE grid to the north coast or the PPL grid to the K River?
Do the math on tipping over the COVID control apple cart please.
The IRA Speak (Full Version) – YouTube
People are not going to tolerate govt mandates and govt camps with COVID.
It will be the troubles in N Ireland…because..”the love of ones county is a
beautiful thing… I don’t believe the ranting of the covid fearful..are willing to take up arms…
Patriot Game with lyrics – YouTube
Long story short, anti-vaxxers think it’s unfair that they are criticized when they share blatatntly inaccurate information and 20 of them gathered to publicly whine about it.
What ever you think about freedom of speech is your opinion. Others have theirs. If your old head forgets what it was like to be a young rebellious head back in the day, might need to check your high school year book, for help remembering government overreach.
That wasn’t a criticism of free speech. It was a criticism of using free speech to spread lies. In simple words abusing free speech. Hmm… “Trust the Anti vaxxers” ?
Kind of like when you said that the placebo group saw more all cause mortality in the Pfizer trials even though it was the vaccinated group that died more?
Or when you said there were hundreds of studies proving that the modern vaccine schedule produced the best outcomes even though the only studies anyone has shared showed the opposite?
Or when you said that comirnaty was the same formulation as the injections administered under the eua even though it’s been admitted that it was changed?
Or when you claimed that vaers data is worthless noise that shows no risk from these vaccines even though all the studies shared show the opposite?
Or when you claimed that the preliminary published data showed no increased risk of miscarriage even though it showed a dramatic increase?
What do you think we should do to people who repeatedly abuse free speech like that?
Thiiisssssss 👍
Funny They don’t look like the right wing trumpsters the Marxist idiots are always trying to paint them as. But they won’t notice that either.
So how is it the Marxist left always wants to use autonomy to defend an act which will without a doubt 100% murder a little baby. But it doesn’t seem to apply to somebody who doesn’t want to put something in their body to prevent an illness which may get somebody sick with less than a 1% chance they will die.
So, mandate for woman on abortion. No mandate for vaccination during a health crisis. I didn’t know aborting is contagious and deadly to others. How many old people have been lost to aborting during COVID or maybe they died aborting and the libs are just saying it was COVID.
Moooooo!!!
I got my personal covid shot exemption from the same docter whom gave me my medical marajana card. That guy is a one stop does it all guy. Of course my mj card is now a framed collecters prize just like the covid card will be in 20 years. You go Dr Jim. How about becoming licensed to treat all you’re nesting filaments to create A peaceful world.
If it works for you, great. Personally, I never had a doc fabricate an excuse for a 215 card because I shouldn’t have HAD to have/need one. Meaning, cannabis should never have been illegal.
Not saying I won’t get a vax exemption in the future, nor that I won’t get the vax, but, for now, I shouldn’t NEED to have a vax exemption. Meaning, I shouldn’t be forced to get the vax.
Most of the unvaccinated are unvaccinated by choice. Also they aren’t white. That won’t stop you from celebrating their deaths, but it does tend to let we normal people know who you are at your core.
Here’s a report from a new study on vaccination rates, political affiliation, and covid deaths.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate
If I was a Democratic politician (which I’m not), I would encourage the anti-vax nitwits to keep it up, as people that live in the reddest counties (presumably Republicans)are 5.5 times more likely to die of covid as people that live in the bluest counties.
And what else ARE the Democrats AND liberals (and commenters) doing but driving people into the anti vaxxer’s open arms? Frankly the idea to rejoice that people are dying because they so distrust the national media and its favored Party that they looked to snake oil salesmen for information should be an embarrassment to both the media in general and liberals in specific. They are just as bad as the anti vaxxers who rejoiced when vaccines started to show a loss in efficacy. What else would be the result? Do you equally rejoice that more native Americans or black people have died because they are distrustful of the people who attacked them? And rightfully so?
That’s a sadistic thought and a terrible political strategy. At its best, these vaccines take your chances of survival from 99.7% to 99.97%. And there’s a good chance that some of those 0.27% that you think you are gaining will be disgusted by your callous disregard for the loves of others in pursuit of political power
And, the more people that are unvaccinated, the more likely it is that someone who is vaccinated will catch COVID. The virus spreads more easily among the unvaccinated but they mingle with the vaccinated and though the vaccinated have less of a chance of catching it, they can still catch it.
In addition, the more the virus spreads, the more likely it is that it will again mutate–possibly into a form not stoppable by the current vaccine.
But, isn’t it true that the number of unvaccinated individuals is going down?
And, isn’t it also true that the more people that are vaccinated,
(their numbers keep going up), the more likely that someone who is vaccinated will catch COVID?
At what point will the unvaccinated stop being scapegoated?
Will this discrimination and self righteousness continue as long as even one person remains unvaccinated?
Will that one last person realistically still be held responsible for the world’s woes, and Covid19 being unstoppable in all the rest?
Or will people finally realize that Covid19 will remain unstoppable as long as the vaccines continue to leak like a sieve.
Why do all the vaccinated, not realize or recognize their potential to contribute to the spread of Covid19? (I do).
They, (we), outnumber the unvaccinated, 2 to 1.
When will they (we) relent?
It’s about reducing the odds. If you carry a pine torch next to a fire and I carry a fire hose, which of us is more likely to spread the fire?
And finally, the vaccines don’t “leak.”
Imperfect vaccines are known as “leaky vaccines”.
By definition.
I have already done the research into the meaning of “leaky” vaccines. And posted the results in the comments.
What do you mean by “the vaccines don’t “leak” “?
And what do you mean by “finally”?
Wrong screenshot try this one…
Maybe we are talking about two different things?
How do you figure that the Covid19 Vaccines aren’t leaky vaccines?
They allow infections to an unprecedented degree.
Whenever hard evidence is brought forth the self-appointed Vax Clergy get strangely quiet.
Finally.
Kym, I believe that you know that this virus mutates constantly and that there was never any reasonable hope of eliminating it through vaccination. I respect people that decided that making use of one of these vaccines was the best option for them, but it was always wishful thinking (at best, some would say intentional misinformation) that this virus would be eliminated by these vaccines.
As to your analogy used down thread, comparing the vaccines to a fire hose? Really? Does it stop the virus in its tracks? Or does it just reduce your likelihood of experiencing severe outcomes?
This kind of hyperbolic cheerleading just fuels mistrust. It doesn’t convince anyone who is already skeptical
Have we eliminated the measles? No. Do you know anyone who died of the measles in the last 20 years? Most likely, no. But in the early 1900’s about 6000 people a year died from it in the U.S. alone.
You are right though, COVID mutates and the measles don’t. That does leave an avenue for the virus to change and not be prevented by the current vaccine BUT not if enough people are vaccinated to decrease the odds of it mutating to a new more virulent version. In addition, the vaccine probably will be improved on.
Besides trying to vaccinate everyone here, we should be looking to increase vaccination for those in countries still struggling to get the vaccine. The vaccine gives us time to build an arsenal of treatments. Scientists have already come up with some treatments that reduce the severity of the illness in many–think molnupiravir and paxlovid.
Just because not every death can be stopped by the vaccine, doesn’t mean that trying to stop as many as possible isn’t a worthy goal.
It’s like refusing to help folks out of a burning building because you can’t get all of them out. The vaccine clearly saves lives, it lessens the severity in those who still catch it anyway and those who have been vaccinated but still catch COVID are less likely to spread the virus to others. The amount of harm it does is very small compared to the amount of good it does. You can choose not to vaccinate, but you aren’t understanding the odds very well if you don’t.
Man kym, I appreciate that you are just trying to encourage people to do what you think is best for everyone’s health. But I hear so many baseless claims that are nothing more than media talking points.
“BUT not if enough people are vaccinated to decrease the odds of it mutating to a new more virulent version”
These types of viruses mutate constantly, with almost every replication. And they replicate rapidly. There is no magic threshold reached by the vaccines that stops these mutations from being problematic.
“The amount of harm it does is very small compared to the amount of good it does. ”
This is a personal opinion, and is going to depend on the person your vaccinating. In a 66 year old? Sure, seems likely to be true. In a 23 year old? I’m not sure I’d bet on that. In a 6 year old? I’d bet against your claim.
I don’t refute that vaccination has a role to play in combating viral contagions. I do refute this notion that injecting every single person on earth with some first of its kind medical product is the only logical choice. The continued insistence that these vaccines are effectively harmless also doesn’t help your case.
No one here has addressed the studies (including the Mass General study from May of 21) that demonstrate that vaers represents a fraction of total injuries, and that vaers reports have exploded exactly in step with this roll out. No one has addressed the preliminary results of the pregnancy study that showed a marked increase in miscarriage except to misrepresent the data and dismiss it.
And behind all of this we have an insistence that they are safe based on a 9 month safety trial that produced no statistically significant improvement in mortality. And that was excused as sufficient since traditional vaccines are believed to present their adverse events within 8 weeks. But I thought we were supposed to be celebrating these genius scientists for finally nailing this paradigm shifting new vaccine? So why should we assume it would behave exactly like the old kind of vaccine?
And of course there is no clinical safety data at all looking at more than 2 shots, and yet we’re being told 3 is probably a good idea and the pretense that it will stop at 3 is fading fast.
And those of us who said, a year ago, that it was going to be an endless string of annual or biannual shots sat through being called all kinds of crazy and paranoid just to watch these same people act like everyone knew all along that there would be boosters. It’s been an endless stream of twilight language and gas lighting. All coming from “authorities” that have a history of lying and disguising unfavorable data in pursuit of profits with no regard for the harm they do. Always covered by a slick marketing campaign that insists that any harm is objectively outweighed by the good it does us all.
For fucks sake, we’ve already got one whistle blower calling the integrity of the Pfizer-BioNTech trials into question and leaked documents showing thay Pfizer had been made aware of 1200 deaths potentially linked to their vaccine TWO MONTHS after the roll out began!
So, while I’m glad that those of you who choose to put your faith in these people and organizations were granted access to a pharmaceutical you wanted faster than the red tape would usually allow, I do not share that faith. And when I look at the available data I do not see a product that is a no brainer. I see a product with an unreliable and short lived efficacy against a disease that poses a negligible threat to my well being with a safety profile that is poorly established but does have some red flags. All of it produced by companies that have a history of lying for profit and pushed by a government that has a history of exploiting fear based propaganda to obtain tighter control over it’s citizenry.
I think I’ll wait and see how this plays out, thanks
Ditto to this. /\ 👏
Thank you that guy !! I appreciate that you have the energy to nail every point!
Not that the jab devotees will hear. 🙉
I’m telling you, find the interviews with professor Mattias Desmet about “mass formation”. It lays out so perfectly the psychology of these people that want so badly for everyone to just comply. It made it a lot easier for me to remain compassionate when interacting with them.
You can go all the way back to Noam Chomsky’s manufacturing consent, and He’s a leftist.
“Do. No. Harm.”
©Hippocrates.
Those are some wild, and unfounded claims Ms. Kemp. So much back peddling and crazy-making, ridiculously far-fetched theories I got dizzy reading it.
I guess everyone needs to stay afraid of the next spooky variant (even tho over 6000 have been mapped as of last December.) And stay afraid of each other. AND, remember to forget that the current vaccine formulae already is not effective toward the existing scary variants .
Just put the OMMMMMMMM in OmmmmmmIcron . Probably equal protection as the blah blah odd shots.
The bottom line:
As far as mutations are concerned, and these are facts;
With these vaccines, they can’t even vaccinate everyone fast enough, (assuming everyone was willing), to stop mutations.
And by the time they got everyone vaccinated, the vaccines would no longer be effective in the first people vaccinated, allowing the mutations that occurred in that time frame, to start reinfecting those first vaccinated.
This vaccine program is like trying to stop an incoming tide, by pissing against it.
It’s futile.
Until we get a sterilizing vaccine for Covid19, face it, we are stuck with it.
And the burning building analogy isn’t very accurate.
In a burning building, everyone dies. Not so with Covid19.
It’s more like you expect everyone to panic, and jump out of the windows in whatever building they are in, no matter how safe,
“just in case”, just because some people die elsewhere in rickety-ass-building fires.
Many of these people who you expect to just line up for questionable injections which provide only temporary protection and prevention, will not only never transmit Covid19, they won’t even be exposed to it before the vaccine wears out.
Misinformation appears to be a major factor in the lagging vaccination rates. The Kaiser Family Foundation’s polling shows Republicans are far more likely to believe false statements about COVID-19 and vaccines. A full 94% of Republicans think one or more false statements about COVID-19 and vaccines might be true, and 46% believe four or more statements might be true. By contrast, only 14% of Democrats believe four or more false statements about the disease. NPR
Get over it. This is as bad a choice of targeting as the anti vaxxer commenters who say that being overweight is all that matters. It has some truth but is still far from accurate, useful or principled. NPR has worked diligently to attack Republicans, not questioning any lie they think useful and suppressing any fact they think doesn’t promote their agenda. So now you think this bit of questionable thinking and innuendo from the same people who created such distrust will persuade anyone to get vaccinated? It won’t, they know it won’t, and the commenters know it won’t. So what is its purpose except to forward its same old political self fulling agenda.
You’d do well to take some of your own advice from time to time
Name one communicable disease with a notable difference in death rates based on political affiliation.
What are you going to do with your party?
I left it when they nominated Trump 5 years ago.
You just gonna stick it out with the Repub anti vaxxers?
Thank you Jerry
Do you know of any studies looking at communicable disease and political affiliation? Do you know if the study you are referencing corrected for any other known confounding factors?
Do your own work.
Well I did look and I couldn’t find any studies looking at the relationship between any diseases and political party affiliation.
And since you’ve proven to be an unreliable source of information in the past, unless you’ve got some actual data to share I will just have to ignore your claims as baseless and politically motivated
Republicans are now refusing the influenza vaccine in large compared to pre covid times.
The politicization of Covid is seeping into other areas for Republicans.
It seems Republicans have lost their party to anti-vaxxers, which is just a name for big fucking liars, not the other way around.
Anti science cults are rising again, and we should absolutely stigmatize that before we end up with another Great Starvation.
Since May 2021, people living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden. NPR
The same Biden who told Americans that he didn’t trust vaccines developed by Trump? Were we to believe him then or now?
There were no vaccines developed by Trump. Trump doesn’t even know what a virus is.
Remember Trump’s Operation Warp Speed? Yeah, that’s what brought us the covid vaccines, like them or don’t. And Biden said not to trust Trump’s vaccines? Right, now you remember?
And now they are not working that well anymore, right?
And a greater proportion of black and native Americans than whites have died too. What conclusions do you draw from that? I dare say not the same simple minded one you derived from NPR. I suspect that the differences for all are rooted in mistrust that allows anti vaxxer misinformation to be more accepted. And frankly the Democrats and liberals have earned the distrust through attacks and demonizing of Republicans. I wonder how they feel about having caused so many deaths? They should not take comfort in their smug self righteousness. When it has become acceptable to attack a group of humans en mass as if they were inherently evil, is it any surprise the attacked do not believe any of the other stuff they push? So keep pushing and keep reaping the karma.
Part of the evil design.
Not just a coincidence.
Not long ago a community that was anti system and big pharma which is now split by a little bit of fear over a virus with a survival rate of 99.99 percent
Kmuds narrative has been one sided for a long time and no longer will those clowns get my enormous contributions.
How dare you discredit legitimate health concerns and conditions of our community members?
Giving information that isn’t based in science and fact equal billing with nonsense and quackery is idiotic.
Thank you for questioning the vaxx mandates.