Mendocino Had Tourist With Confirmed Case of Measles; Please Check Time and Dates to See If You Might Have Been Exposed
Note: Image used by H.p.frei via Wikimedia Commons
Press release from the Mendocino County Department of Health and Human Services Agency:
Mendocino County HHSA, Public Health confirms one case of measles in a traveler visiting the county. Individuals who are not immune to measles AND who visited the sites below at the dates and times indicated may be at risk of developing measles due to exposure.
Most people have received two doses of the measles vaccine (“MMR vaccine”) as children, and are protected. However, parents of unvaccinated children, unvaccinated adults, and those with weakened immune systems are advised to review the list of sites and times individuals may have been exposed below:
Dates, Times, and Places where individuals may have been exposed:
- Beachcomber Motel,1111 N. Main St. Fort Bragg CA 95437, all day Friday May 24th through Sunday May 26th at 11 a.m.
- Django’s Rough Bar, 32096 N Harbor Dr. Fort Bragg CA 95437, on Friday May 24th from 12 a.m. to 2 p.m.
- Sea Pal Cove Restaurant, 32390 N. Harbor Dr. Fort Bragg CA 95437, on Saturday May 25th from 12 a.m. to 2 p.m.
- Skunk Train, 100 W. Laurel St. Fort Bragg CA 95437, on Saturday May 25th from 1 p.m. to 3 p.m.
- North Coast Brewing Co. 444 N. Main St. Fort Bragg CA 95437, on Saturday May 25th from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m.
- David’s Deli, 163 Boatyard Dr. Fort Bragg CA 95437, on Sunday May 26th from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m.
People at high risk for severe illness and complications from measles include: Infants and children aged less than 5 years, adults aged greater than 20 years, pregnant women, and people with compromised immune systems such as leukemia and HIV infection.
People presented at these sites who are not immune to measles may be at risk of developing measles and should watch for symptoms of the illness. Common symptoms of measles include fever, cough, runny nose, red eyes, and a rash, which can appear 7 to 21 days after the exposure. There is no risk to anyone going to those businesses except for up to one hour after the contagious person was in the business.
If you develop these symptoms, call your doctor right away. It is very important to call ahead to any medical facility before going there and to tell them that you may have been exposed to measles so that the facility can take measures to protect other patients and visitors.
Fort Bragg Clinic contacts are:
Mendocino Coast Clinics at 707-964-1251
North Coast Family Health Center at 707-961-4631
Fort Bragg Rural Health Center at 707-964-0259HHSA, Public Health requests the assistance of the news media in publicizing this list of sites at which we have been unable to identify all of the people present who may have been exposed.
The person with measles is an adult who was exposed to measles in Butte County. The person’s measles vaccination status is unverified. The individual was hospitalized because of their illness. Further information about the individual will not be released for reasons of medical privacy.
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This morning public health said Possible case, when did it get changed to Confirmed?
OH NO! NOT THE MEASLES!!
Before vaccinations prevented Measles from spreading, it had a mortality approximately 14 in 100,000 and almost everybody got it. Those who didn’t die could wind up sterile or with brain damage. So basically fuck anti vaxxers and fuck you, Central HumCo. Go back to InfoWars, you tool.
If your vaccinated why worry about those who aren’t?
Because of “herd immunity” look it up. The reason that eradicating diseases like polio and the measles throughout the world has been so successful is through herd immunity efforts. Not vaccincating puts heard immunity as risk, plus when you vaccinate you are protecting those around you. Immunocompromised people cannot get vaccinated. So if a kid has cancer and cannot get vaccinated they are at higher risk of being infected and dying from measles if infected. Measles is SUPER contagious too. This is what I tell anti vaxxers, educating and empathy are more effective than arguing.
~rather than shoot off your big mouth, Jaekorrapolus, show some facts.
Post a link, just one, where i ever said anything about InfoWars.
It’s pro-choice , not anti-vax – duh.
“So basically fuck anti vaxxers and fuck you, Central HumCo.” -how original. How pathetic.
F.U.C.K. – Found Under Carnal Knowledge.
The work fuck come from the Germanic “fichen.” Nobody used acronyms until the 20th century, so you’re wrong about that, too.
HumCo is Russian propaganda.
I just don’t understand the Hysteria. There’s been 11 measles fatalities in the last 20 years in the United States. Even at today’s “record high numbers” of just over 1000 cases you only have a .00032% chance of catching measles, which only has a 15% mortality rate. In contrast almost 60,000 Americans die each year of the common cold. Over 50,000 Americans are diagnosed with AIDS and you have States like California which reduced the punishment from a felony to a misdemeanor to knowingly spread it. So someone please explain why there so much hysteria around measles?
Media feeds and feeds on hysteria.
” So someone please explain why there so much hysteria around measles?”
~distraction. Divide and conquer.
Remember the national hysteria over 2 lost girls in a small town?
Fuck those media chumps.
Liberal agendas pushing missing children stories into our ears.
Fake news. They’re trying to make you fear 4H.
Kids dont exist. Why dont they report the truth?
Hysteria? Because. Have you seen an infant sick with measles? It’s MISERABLE.
Super high fevers, irritability, rash, pneumonia, difficulties breathing, difficulty feeding/sleeping/soothing. Hospitalizations, (someone has to stay with the infant in the hospital. God forbid you have other children, or a job!)
It’s not hysteria. It’s a disease that WAS eradicated, and uneducated, selfish parents think they know better than decades of science.
Rest up, more is on the way.
https://outbreaks.globalincidentmap.com/
Congo, Ebola over 1100 deaths, plus other diseases and fevers all over.
(Border Patrol catches people from every country)
You just need to define what selfish, uneducated parents are trying to achieve.
“uneducated, selfish parents think they know better than decades of science.”
Here’s a 100 years of science that I could do without. It’s given me a new understanding of what men and women in the white lab coats are capable of.
https://www.pcrm.org/ethical-science/human-experimentation-an-introduction-to-the-ethical-issues
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States
Unless you are close to retirement, your education was directed by men on medical boards who have been working with major for profit companies to create your curriculum.
How much nutrition was involved in your medical school curriculum? Not much for most doctors.
You worry about the effects of these preventable diseases, etc, why don’t you talk about unchecked illegal immigration with the third world coming through without proper medical information. Such a bass ackward way of preventive measures.
Doctors are human and in my book, just as capable of doing harm as they are capable of healing.
Tell me why decades of science allows doctors to engage in unethical human experimentation?
Unless it’s a trip to the emergency room for some put back the pieces, I’ll give them parents a little more respect, considering the way the medical industry is going.
That sounds a lot like the reaction my oldest daughter had after her second round of DTaP. After watching our one year old struggle with a 105deg temp for two days and her leg swell up, then suffer from chronic constipation for almost a year after( all of wich are comment moderit side effects) we starded actually reading the incerts that comes with the vaccines. Then started comparing the statistics of actually catching the disease to suffering the side effects and decided unless we’re traveling to a foreign country or are going to be around large population centers on a regular basis, we would forgo more vaccinations until our kids are older…
Read my response from above. The reason there has been so few deaths/measles cases is because we more or less eradicated the disease due to vaccinations. Before measles vaccines 2-3 million people world wide died per year. Because measles vaccines have been around in this country for a long time, therefore there has essentially been no measles, people forget how bad this disease was. I’ve spent quite a bit of time in Africa doing medical volunteer work and I’ve vaccinated thousands of people who have walked days for the opportunity to become vaccinated. Currently about 85% of the world has been vaccinated for the disease, which is a massive success for public health. When people quit vaccinating it threatens “heard immunity.” Its like a snowball effect, because the disease is so contagious, as more people get the disease, it will just spread faster and faster.
Same thing with polio, people in this country can’t relate to polio because it has been eradicated, another major success for public health world wide. And polio is a HORRIBLE disease, I did volunteer work for 10 years internationally and the only time I couldn’t handle and left was in a polio orphanage in Kenya. So sure, you occasionally hear about the very rare adverse reaction to a vaccine and thats horrible, but the alternative is worse, the loss of herd immunity and these diseases coming back. People tend to freak too when the very rare adverse reaction happens without realizing that almost our who population is vaccinated, and you only ever hear about when something bad happens, not the fact that millions of deaths have been prevented DUE to the vaccines. If vaccines stopped today, these disease would come back and immunocompromised people would die. This topic is sooo tricky because people that argue it don’t have perspective, anti vaxxers can’t have perspective because we haven’t lived a life where these diseases were an issue (because we have access to vaccinations so readily in this country.)
I don’t argue with anti vaxxers, I just try and give perspective from someone who has seen A LOT of suffering from these diseases and who has vaccinated people who are sooo grateful for the opportunity to be vaccinated. Education and reading from credible sources are key. The pros far far far outweighs the cons of measles and polio. BUT, this doesn’t have to be an all or nothing issue. There is a grey area, there are quite a few vaccines I personally wouldn’t give my kids. I try to tell people to be a bit empathetic. I also tell my anti vax friends the reason they have the luxury to chose not to vaccinate is because the herd immunity from others being vaccinated more than likely will protect their kid, BUT their kid could potentially cause harm to an immunocompromised kid with cancer who can’t be vaccinated. FOR THE GREATER GOOD!
Over 36 million people die each year of starvation. You’d be better off donating to a food bank then browbeaten people over there personal vaccination policies
Measles CAN be DEADLY to some, so YES, the MEASLES!!!!
~a constant stream of manufactured public theater, nothing more.
Just like polio, right?
Maybe if we stoped letting in hordes of unvaccinated AND already diseased people from other country’s unchecked, than this won’t be a problem?Just a thought…
Got to watch those Butte County folk…Damn foreigners
“These outbreaks are linked to travelers who brought measles back from other countries such as Israel, Ukraine, and the Philippines, where large measles outbreaks are occurring.”
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html
Shak,
You realize they mean American travelers?
Being that immunization rates are incredibly low in the Philippines, and distrust of officials is incredibly high, you would fit right in their disease laden areas.
It’s just shows even more that off the Measles, vaccinations work.
Any anti-vaxxer who doesn’t get sick from measles is just fucking lucky that most their neighbors in the US made better choices then them.
They are fortunate as te to not be in the Philippines, where the outbreaks are bigger.
Don’t forget, foreigners are coming from everywhere and joining the droves.
https://breaking911.com/border-patrol-agents-in-texas-apprehend-group-of-dozens-from-africa/
Congo Ebola amongst other dreaded fevers and diseases.
https://outbreaks.globalincidentmap.com/
CDC pointed out a few of the countries, but certainly not all.
Jaekelopterus, it’s ironic you’d use polio as an example. Do you know that more people are now paralyzed from the vaccine than they are from the Wild virus…
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio
[edit]I suppose you are one of those Non Vacs people that think it ok to infect others cuz you know ALL!
I dont vaccinate my children.
Are you trying to kill your kids, or other peoples?
Man u fell for the bait roght away huh. And no. Im not. Not vaccinating doesnt ki anyone. Being alive kills everyone. And all of the cases recently are vaccinated people…do the math
“ Life is killing me.”
( Peter Steele)
I actually used to hang out with him during the Carnivore years…
Retaliation is a great record and Pete shaved his head during the release show at CBGB.
Sad he’s gone…
Holy shit logger! I’m a HUGE type o negative fan! Carnivore…. hell yeah. I would have never thunk logger….?!!?
“Roght away”
“Ki anyone”
Not that anything else you said made sense.
I like whiskey too, but when you finish a liter for lunch you should stop typing.
Oh real clever. Cept i dont drink bud
Meeein eeether.
I bet u sit back thinkin you really know everyone in a comment section of the internet huh? I dont drink.. And what i do drink i dont think youd understand. Dimethyl. Im sorry for my typos. I only type on my phone when i poop.
While you are probably not the only one, perhaps that could be considered TMI?
If you’re vaccinated then why do you care. On a side note you do realize that vaccinated people can carry the disease as well, right
~the hour is getting late. ( It’s been way over too long since i’ve seen dear, or heard crickets, or the annual dragon fly parade up and over the Van Duzen.)
I’ve heard/read weeks, and i’ve heard months, of shedding after injection. So those of you who are not standing in the Republic, please, please stay home. Don’t shed in the public domain. You’re a walking contamination, and the vaccinated “Flu” shot victims can be more susceptible (body dealing w/recent trespass of foreign invaders), to whatever you surrendered your self to. Get a “L” tattooed on your forehead.
So, in a school with a few more than 100 unvaccinated kids, because of the extremely my high transmission rate, “only” a few will die? And this doesn’t even count the others in the families of these kids. And that’s not a big deal? SMH.
Nope:
“In the modern era, it is rare to suffer permanent disability or death from measles in the United States. Between 1900 and 1963, the mortality rate of measles dropped from 13.3 per 100,000 to 0.2 per 100,000 in the population, due to advancements in living conditions, nutrition, and health care—a 98% decline.”
So 0.0013% declining to 0.0002% currently.
To put that in perspective:
“For 50-year-old men, taking a full-sized, 325 mg aspirin every day to prevent heart disease and stroke carries a risk of 10.4 deaths per 100,000 men per year over and above their overall death risk.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-risks/aspirin-risk-compares-to-driving-cars-study-finds-idUSN0737156120070509?feedType=RSS&rpc=22
they had to drive from butte county to fort bragg
how bout those of us inbetween like clearlake , ukiah or willits
i was out and about in common areas frequented by visitors to lake county
do we get a warning or just tossed aside
thanks kym , at least you said something
Probably best if DMV stops issuing driver’s license to unvaccinated people.
Using DMV to regulate vaccinations makes sense, they could even tow away cars of unvaccinated persons.
Also a cross check of DMV records with tax collectors database would allow for property to be confiscated from the unvaccinated.
They could be given 24 hours to get current on vaccinations or pay the price.
Unvaccinated persons could be tossed over the wall into Mexico and make it their problem instead of ours.
Heil Hitler!
Good idea. Except chances are they he been vacvinated but the evolutioary power of bacteria doesnt give a hoot boimot your vaccinations
Measles isn’t bacterial. Also, the measles vaccine is 98% effective. That was enough to eliminate polio. Do you know anyone who got polio recently?
Okay fungus bacterial virus whatever. They all will beat us. And still… Most of the recent measles cases were folks that were vaccinated. Welcome to earth. You live or you die. Lime got
98% of people who receive the measles vaccine are completely immune to measles. People continuing to pass it around due to avoiding vaccines are the only way it will survive to mutate. Smallpox and renderpest are both extinct, and polio is 99% extinct. Why do you have such a defeatist attitude about this?
“Whatever” sums it up for Humco and This Guy.
Dont bother with facts….they live with a “whatever” attitude.
3 days ago HumCo tried to say vaccines are turning people in cows; “cowification”.
I guess that didnt last long.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/03/media/infowars-alex-jones-business/index.html
Making up stuff is a form of “psychosis.”
Like saying Sandy Hook was staged.
Whoa whoa calm down dont throw out the baby with the bath water. Yall sit on the internet judging anyone who doesnt agree with you. Get a life
Your emotional score is dropping.
Save the humans. Destroy the earth.
When will we start trusting evolution again?
How is the development of vaccines unrelated to evolution? We evolved brains that can outsmart rocks to make spearheads, outsmart plants to make crops, and now SOME OF US are outsmarting viruses too.
https://www.corbettreport.com/corbett-report-radio-234-mandatory-vaccinations-and-how-to-avoid-them/
97% effective if two vaccinations were given…and it might be effective for 20-25 years, so if you haven’t been vaccinated since you were a kid, you might want to point the finger at yourself before you go pointing at anyone else.
I got re-upped when I started working in a public school. I would recommend even getting the yearly flu shot when working around kids, they are remarkably efficient disease vectors.
A full measles vaccination consists of a battery of two shots. If you just got the one shot, you did it wrong.
Vaccination does not mean immunization. I’ve been measles vaccinated 6 solid times in the last 25 years for healthcare work and my lab titers still show I have no immunity.
“Belief in immunization is a form of delusional insanity.” –Dr. Herbert Shelton, an American medical writer -and so much more.
https://www.healthscience.org/heritage/natural-hygiene-movement/dr-herbert-shelton
Ya make them ware the Star of David
Word on the street is that the trimmers have been passing it around and infesting the prized Humboldt weed.
Folks always scream polio and about these older viruses and diseases but never mention all the hundreds and thousands of new problems and diseases out there… The cancer rate.. Aids… The list is longer than the ones we dont see anymore.. Diseases are abundant. You tryna live forever?
Again, Smallpox and renderpest: Extinct
Polio: 99% extinct
This guy: Cancer isn’t contagious. That’s a non sequitur.
Guest (this time): if you’re going to be a Nazi, sound like an educated Nazi; it’s “wear”.
CentralHum Cty: you appear to be an educated Nazi, unfortunate for you, you’d still be a Nazi. (I don’t think your Heil Hitler” was snark, based on previous comments of yours.
~too bad, you lose. My (Central HumCo, not CentralHum Cty), Heil Hitler comment was snark. Pretty sure 99.9% of the readers/commenters in here figured that out.
Minus ten points to Hank.
Remember when you were spreading that bullshit about the government starting the Camp fire with lasers, or that it had secretly actually killed 80,000 people? You just reflexively post whatever [edit]shit is hot with the InfoWars crew, and in the case of Vaccines THIS KIND OF MISINFORMATION FUCKING KILLS AND MAIMS CHILDREN.
Vaccines have wiped out Polio Renderpest and smallpox,and have contained many other deadly diseases. You are fucking despicable.
No it doesnt. Prove yer statememt. [edit]
He can’t prove any of his statements. All he has to offer is opinions laced with venom.
HumCo is likely a computer misinformation program from Russia.
Hey Putin!
Prove my statement? That smallpox and renderpest are extinct? That polio is 99% extinct?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinderpest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio
Refute any of that [edit]
Its from wikipedia. Refuted. Anyone cam edit it.
Click on the article citations [edit]
Thank you Hank and Jaekelopterus for trying to talk some sense.
No one else comes close to the all mighty throne ……
“Democide”
Death by government.
Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and yes Hitler,
Marching them Boots.
Licking them Boots.
Ok so cancer is just yer one example bit my point remains. There r more diseases nowadays than ever before.
Would you care to provide any evidence for that statement? Keep in mind, just 100 years ago 3-6% of the GLOBAL POPULATION was killed by a simple flu bug.
“Influenza killed about 80,000 people in the 2017-2018 season, according to figures released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The previous high for a regular flu season, based on analyses dating back more than three decades, was 56,000 deaths.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/last-years-flu-broke-records-for-deaths-and-illnesses-new-cdc-numbers-show/2018/09/26/97cb43fc-c0ed-11e8-90c9-23f963eea204_story.html?utm_term=.939826ddb7a3
The 1918 epidemic killed 50 MILLION, conservatively.
It is more in response to your term “simple flu bug”… it is anything but simple and wreaks more havoc than measels. The 1918 flu was Spanish influenza and not one of the flu viruses in circulation today.
It was H1N1, the swine flu. It’s literally the second sentence on its wikipedia article. Jesus Christ people.
But Trump didnt call the Princess “nasty!”
Facts for most here: make shit up.
Jaekel, thanks for reminding me there at least 2 here with a brain commenting.
You mean you and your imaginary VPN buddies. Why use multiple IP addresses unless you think you need friends. Same vitriol, same style.
“The 1918 influenza pandemic (January 1918 – December 1920; colloquially known as Spanish flu) was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic, the first of the two pandemics involving H1N1 influenza virus.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
This guy,
~there’s more vaccines than ever before.
Some cancers are contagious. That was whole push for the HPV vaccine.
HPV is caused by a virus, which absolutely CAN be vaccinated against.
Court Ruling Confirms Merck’s Gardasil HPV Vaccine Kills People – Did Anyone Even Notice?
https://www.wakingtimes.com/2019/01/14/court-ruling-confirms-mercks-gardasil-hpv-vaccine-kills-people-did-anyone-even-notice/ January 14, 2019
This is the worst press release. The health dept is insinuating that some are IMMUNE to measles? NO ONE, even if vaccinated with two doses in the past 20-25 years, is IMMUNE. That’s why they’re called vaccinations, not immunizations.
Measles is getting a lot of the press of late, but let’s not forget that there are other preventable illnesses that are making a comeback in Mendocino County due to fear and/or misinformation. The local charter school has had a disproportionately high incident of Whooping Cough.
” . . . due to fear and/or misinformation. ”
Score.
F.E.A.R. – False Evidence Appearing Real.
Or Foolishly Expecting Another Result?
(I)mmunization. No agreed-upon-value word.
They’re called vaccinations because they began with infected cow pus.
In the old days, parents would cheer and throw a measles party. They wanted their kids to get the measles during their youth because the older you get the harder the measles is on you.
But then, we ended up with an outcry over being over populated or some such nonsense and a huge push for vaccines.
Crazy times we’re living in.
Speaking of crazy times, LA county has Typhus, SF has the plague, the ebola map shows new stirrings, and this is only Tuesday.
LA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E_bUJMkPCc
Measles, Back In The Days Before The Marketing Of The Vaccine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDb0ZS3vB9g 8:11
The use of social media to spread political disinformation has been widely acknowledged, but two new reports show that the Russian-linked influence campaign spread way beyond Facebook and Twitter.
The two new reports, conducted for the Senate’s intelligence committee, detailed the widespread impact of online propaganda leading up to the 2016 presidential election. Researchers found that the Internet Research Agency, the Russian troll farm behind the disinformation campaign, left few social media platforms untouched.
IRA-linked content was found heavily on popular platforms Instagram and YouTube, and also on smaller platforms like Pinterest, SoundCloud, Vine, and even Pokémon Go.
“The breadth of the attack included games, browser extensions, and music apps created by the IRA and pushed to targeted groups,” New Knowledge researchers wrote in their report. “It was designed to exploit societal fractures, blur the lines between reality and fiction, erode our trust in media entities and the information environment, in government, in each other, and in democracy itself.”
https://amp.businessinsider.com/all-social-apps-russian-trolls-used-spread-disinformation-2018-12
When RHBB takes a new meaning to the word “red”.
Leaving the mini-Putins here to misinform the readers, everyday.
It’s like letting school shooters give their opinions online, as long as they dont use profanity, and thinking its defending free speech.
The biggest trouble with your thinking that right should suppress the free speech of wrong is that you have a very narrow version of right and refuse to allow you have a large capacity for wrong yourself. I shudder to think of the things suppressed and the measures needed to create the suppression should you have your way. It would be a Stalinist world of poor but approved science needing a gulag system to contain the dissidents.
Freedom of speech means people can call you a fucking idiot when you are willfully ignorant, and a fucking liar when you lie. That’s not sTaLiNiSm, that’s criticism.
~more like second-grader name calling. Don’t we have an over abundance of negative frequencies flowing throughout the world? Why add to that with your opinions of another commenter?
I’m thinking a lot of people read RHBB. What do your nasty comments display to the rest of the Emerald Triangle about Humboldt? Do you get your rocks off when posting negative? How do your comments aid our ailing society?
“Fuck you” comes from the lower end of the gene pool. Hence, such display serves to lower the RHBB flag.
Why does anyone believe that HumCluck is a “her”?
Has anyone met HumCluck?
Since HumCluck lies in every post and has never proven a claim. Why give it the benefit of doubt?
IT likely craves sympathy because IT lies so much.
Thinking IT is a “her” has no merit.
It’s a sympathy trap.
I know who she is.
Ok.
Her it is.
Thanks.
Humco, she. From now on.
What Brian said- “When RHBB takes a new meaning to the word “red”. Leaving the mini-Putins here to misinform the readers, everyday.
It’s like letting school shooters give their opinions online, as long as they dont use profanity, and thinking its defending free speech.”
If you think that Brian and people like him should determine who is spreading misinformation and get to silence them, then that is akin to being a Stalinist. His frightening remark was not that he gets to calls someone a liar (a term he applies so liberally to anyone who has a different opinion) but that he thinks the right thing is to silence them. And even then the frighteng thing is not that he says it but that Kym, who actually has some power, agrees with him. Authoritarians on any stripe always say things like that. And it should frighten anyone.
That Central Hum Co gets you all so riled is funny. If she hasn’t persuaded you, why would you think she has the power to persuade others? All that she can do is just what you do- attack and insult yet you take every bit of it so seriously. I begin to see why. You think that insult is an effective persuasion. The only time her opinions represent a danger is on the rare occasions when those opinions align with a significant number of others in a way that presents a threat. Such as on vaccination. Then posting opposing information is not to change her mind but only an opportunity to give your ideas an airing for others to read. Hardly any amount of insulting and bullying actually changes minds. It is 99% useless venting.
I have proven over and over that HumCo spreads disinformation and misinfornation.
Why are you so adamantly opposed to remembering any of it?
I’ve called 2 people liars. And I’ve proven it.
Sorry you just can’t fathom me being right.
https://amp.businessinsider.com/all-social-apps-russian-trolls-used-spread-disinformation-2018-12
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/03/media/infowars-alex-jones-business/index.html
I generally do not read CH’s posts because they tend to be obsessive and are so based on a conspiracy mind set foreign to the way I think. I only occasionally respond to them if they happen to catch my eye on a subject of interest to me. I don’t go to YouTube to check out what other people with the same mind set say. I know that CH would tell me I’m indoctrinated. But, knowing the way she thinks, it doesn’t bother me much. Such things are a requirement for living in her world.
On the other hand, I can’t understand your frenzy about it either. What you take her to task over is not a serious problem. Only a small, uninfluential group at best would subscribe to her world view and it certainly is not the nature of the ” misinformation” that is really dangerous. So you can cite all the articles you want, call her a liar, see her as a Russian provocateur and my response would be “who cares?” She does not intend to fool people into believing false things. She is too clear in what she says to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes.
Now if you wanted to examine the presses role in spreading misinformation or creating disinformation, that is the real danger. Since they control almost all of what reaches the public, when they are fooled into publishing the spurious information, polls or reports that are fed to them and they don’t question enough, that is serious. It can incite ever more hate and intolerance.
Read the life story of Andy Parker.
Do you think, if I hadn’t for the last 8 months, railed against the misinformation slung by HumCo, SHE would be being discussed?
Or would her circle jerks with Shak, Stars, This Guy, Thirdeye, Sid, and Ullr and others continue as a normal occurence, without critique, gumming up the threads so gullible young minds assume that insane false fact talk is normal?
I think you underestimate the issues HumCo sows.
But I agree: I need to, for lack of better language, Fuck off and let the shit stick on the wall around here like it used to be.
Today l asked Kym to be ban me. I cant stop from ridiculing the bullshit and reminding everyone what the bullshit is.
That’s my thing: For bad and good.
Unfortunately, everyone is so OK and numb to the extreme bullshit circus, I’m more the problem for calling it out than the problem itself.
So, I say Fuck me!
But I wish you all the best.
Kym, please! Ban my swearing, rule-breaking, rude self!!!
I need your help!
Well, it is a bit difficult to ban someone who changes IP’s. I can do it. But it’s more work.
For god’s sakes. I do not agree with Brian about silencing people in general as you should see by the wild crap that gets slung about here.
That’s good to hear.
I’m not sure Brian’s idea of wrong is so very narrow–He pretty much focuses on the most outlandish of her claims. But my reality is that I am the only arbiter and would have to be responsible for searching out right and wrong of claims if I follow Brian’s wishes. And first, I struggle hard to be fair but, my ideas of right and wrong are just that–my ideas. I’m likely to be wrong often because I have only so much time to research. And second, I can’t add one more thing to my plate.
“He pretty much focuses on the most outlandish of her claims.”
Such as? Have i not provided scores of verifiable evidence? Have not others in here capable of self-governance chimed-in with evidence of facts, concurring? Truth is universal, constant, and can’t be destroyed. Seek and ye shall find.
Sticking to the existing paradigm is unrealistic.
Your evidence of lasers starting fires was not acceptable by almost any person not steeped in wild theories. Same with Michelle Obama is a man. Flat Earth theory is interesting…etc. You can’t say something has evidence just because someone wrote it and put it on the internet. You have to have reputable people with facts not people with no reputation with wildass speculations.
~well, as far as laser fires go, are you saying that the people themselves, the victims, Deborah Tavares in Sebastopol, film footage isn’t reliable? Not everyone willingly wears blinders, Kym. Do you listen to any of Dane Wigington’s weekly broadcasts, at #199 and counting, about Geoengineering, And vaccines? You’re telling me that these people aren’t reliable?
Truth is stranger than fiction.
You might want to look closer at the PG & E logo.
“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.” Jefferson
Deb is a looney.
She was not a fire victim. Being g in the same county doesn’t qualify for victimhood.
Her ex husband (Lou) can tell you all about her.
Her mission is attention, with a full list of prescription psych meds.
But we know how good you listen to reason.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/03/media/infowars-alex-jones-business/index.html
Those are not reliable people.
“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum – even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there’s free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate.” –Norm Chomsky
Example; if you mention Mrs. Obama once more you’ll be banned.
Please explain your thoughts about Michelle extensively.
Pretty please.
Yes, I’m telling you that this is not reliable. But, please don’t rely on me. Check out information on Dane Wigington for instance. Do scientists believe him? No.
~the ol default line – Scientists.
I have oodles of pictures of the sky above Humboldt, from Eureka to Garberville and points in between, laced with Geoengineered X’s, loop-de-loops, patterns of tic-tac-toe, scores of double spraying side by side . . . and guess what? I don’t need a “Scientist” to tell me which way the wind blows. Death dumps in the sky are global. You’d have to be deaf, dumb and blind NOT to see them.
With all due respect, Kym, shame on you.
With all respect due to you, CHC, I know life is tough for you and you can only do what you are able but I will continue to call the truth as I see it. And, that means telling others when you are wrong.
Which scientists are you looking at? I’ve spent hours listening to Dane, and before I found him, I recognized the aircraft in many parts of the state, in non commercial flight paths. For years I’ve looked up at a sky that was different from my childhood.
Main stream media will not touch issues like geoengineeringwatch.org, yet we still want answers from officials. We’ve been lied to, and experimented on for decades, and if they are covering the earth with aluminum, barium, and who knows what else, it might have something to do with the different fire characteristics seen by firefighters, who’ve said they have seen a completely new fire behavior the last two years. Many friend’s were fighting the central and northern California fires last few years, and the fires are burning hotter than ever seen. The ground in many places has almost been “glassified”, because of the high temperatures.
Lots of questions unanswered.
You want to spread information that isn’t popular and forces people to ask questions to their elected representatives,
you will be attacked and marginalized by critics. It’s not just Dane, it’s all the people who comes to him to present their information as well. I’ve listened to him for years, and when I sent him the Wikipedia page for “Unethical human experimentation.”, he responded by saying that he’d never thought of typing the actual phrase into the search bar.
The real kicker, is that at the end of the article, not one scientist has been held accountable for any of the experimenta in the last 100 years.
You would think the truth would catch on like wildfire, yet we are simply too busy to spend the time doing any real deep effective research.
So in honor of those people who swim against the current, I hope that your website can be a continuing beacon of information and ideas, and yes, healthy debate.
Thanks
You havnt provided shit.
Not even an “oops, I was wrong” when corrected regarding these claims:
-Tens of thousands killed in Paradise
-Lasers started Camp and Carr fires
-No supertankers flew at the Camp fire
-Cowify
– Flat earth
-my enslavement
Let’s start with any one of those!
Silence….
Humclucks best defense.
The research is done.
https://amp.businessinsider.com/all-social-apps-russian-trolls-used-spread-disinformation-2018-12
Look. Central Hum Co is not a Russian bot.
Likely not a bot, but definitely spreading the propaganda that Russia infiltrated us with.
What I have demonstrated over 8 months is the repeated posting of misinformation if not disinformation from HumCo.
What the Senate found was widespread Russian propaganda on the social media platforms that HumCo links to repeatedly and consistently.
Bot or Not.
HumCo spreads fear, distrust, discord and lies. And it’s always demonstrably baseless.
Know yourself the best.
People don’t tell you who you are.
You tell them.
–Unknown
So you believe that Brian is right about censoring what people can say is their opinion? And the only thing that keeps it from happening is that you don’t have the time to stop it?
Since the media has that power, then it is scary to think that they believe they have the obligation to do that too. Especially since that is effectively what goes on in most media outlets already.
Joker,
Opinions arent what HumCluck posts.
https://amp.businessinsider.com/all-social-apps-russian-trolls-used-spread-disinformation-2018-12
Re: Business Insider : “The website has, however, faced criticism for what critics consider its clickbait-style headlines.[27][28][29] In 2013, The New Yorker criticized the website for prioritizing publishing speed over accuracy.[30] In 2018, the website received criticism from some media outlets after deleting a controversial column about Scarlett Johansson.[31][32]”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Insider. It tallies with much experience with that site.
And the source of the article is New Knowledge- a corporation that talks about the public good but sells its products commercially. I don’t know about that.
I don’t belong to Facebook, which I suspect is fairly prone to misuse and providing crap to news organizations who sometimes treat it as an authoritative source especially if it feeds their agenda. Not using Facebook directly may have allowed name to form my own opinons but I certainly do not take up other people’s opinions under any circumstances.
Guest,
If only 1 article from 1 publisher was the story.
I think you’ll trust Fox News:
Shocking scale of Russia’s sinister social media campaign against US revealed
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/tech/shocking-scale-of-russias-sinister-social-media-campaign-against-us-revealed.amp
Here, same story from Reuters;
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1OG257&ved=2ahUKEwjBjZzI99LiAhUvzlkKHSK_APoQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw2mVLtodaESY9Khg42pC4Wc&cf=1
Or do you need more validation of the Senate report?
This is not a movie, nor an article about Scarlett.
I wouldn’t even censor holocaust deniers (as I’m pretty sure we’ve discussed before–do I have to reiterate every argument every time? I’m tired and overworked.)
Your so wrong.
Why is someone against vaccines suddenly a “trumper.” Yer deluded with your own truths
CH, that was a fun flashback! I loved all the scenes, but the Betty & Wilma scene made me spit coffee. Great clip of a day and era when people were sensible. Thanks for posting that.
~you’re welcome. I want to thank you for posting the link to The Dark Wire – Not in Vein (the Heroin epidemic.) It opened my eyes to what a horrific tragedy it is. 115 across America die every day die from injecting heroin mostly laced with Fentanyl. A few grains will do it. So, so sad.
You’re welcome CH. I agree, it was quite an eye opener, and very sad. (& freaky).
I hope it goes viral, it’s important info to learn.
Rise UP for Medical Freedom…in a free country Mandating Vaccines that are filled with toxins is UNACCEPTABLE…if you believe in vaccines at least do your research and Stand UP for freedom in the U.S.
THANK YOU, Yogini.
Agree. Ty. Freedom is to die however you God dam please without someone telling you you shouldn’t. Dam I love this country! Go ride a motorcycle, unvaccinated with no helmet for crying out load.
Why do you [edit] pretend that you’re being forced to be vaccinated? You’re adults, do whatever you want.
If you really want your children to be eligible for infection, just send them to a charter school! Republicans have made sure there are plenty of opportunities to apply for free vouchers, then you are free to give your little vectors any disease you want! Your constant search for a persecution complex is pathetic.
You can stand up by homeschooling. If you really believe that vaccines are evil and unnecessary. Then you can avoid them. What you really want is to be free to send your kids to school and put other people at risk because you choose to do so. That is not exactly standing up for freedom. It’s more like wanting the benefits of a society while refusing the obligations to society. It’s a rousing chorus of “Me, Me, Me”.
Your Brain on Public Schools – Dumb people answer questions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxeZbuTCcMY 54 mins. April 2018 (2,538,694 views)
Spoilers: It’s a Jay Leno asking people on the streets bible trivia questions ambush-quiz style.
LOL, Denmarkians. I can relate to that during brain fart moments.
That makes no sense. If your kid is vaccinated what r u worried about?
“In the modern era, it is rare to suffer permanent disability or death from measles in the United States. Between 1900 and 1963, the mortality rate of measles dropped from 13.3 per 100,000 to 0.2 per 100,000 in the population, due to advancements in living conditions, nutrition, and health care—a 98% decline.” CDC
Or from 0.0013% declined to 0.00002%
To compare:
“For 50-year-old men, taking a full-sized, 325 mg aspirin every day to prevent heart disease and stroke carries a risk of 10.4 deaths per 100,000 men per year over and above their overall death risk.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-risks/aspirin-risk-compares-to-driving-cars-study-finds-idUSN0737156120070509?feedType=RSS&rpc=22
And
https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/measles/dis/
Ullr Rover,
~you post facts w/links to the articles, but people with rocks for brains won’t research anything.
“Cowification.”
Still waiting for that link Russia, er, HumCo.
“Vaccine” comes from “vacca”, latin for cow. So named because the first vaccine was for cowpox.
Ullr,
Here’s quotes from your RussiaCo buddy buddy just 2 days ago regarding vaccines.
The word ‘vaccine’ is rooted in the Latin word ‘vaccnus’ which means cow. So, you are in fact, cowifying yourself, your baby or child. Keep a dictionary close at hand…….It is the open sore of a cow, infected cows that is used in vaccines. The mucus and pus from the open cow’s sores and lesions, as well as blood.
https://kymkemp.com/2019/05/29/humboldt-countys-health-assessment-reflects-its-high-rate-of-poverty/#comment-818939
The word ‘Drive’ comes from back when cowboys herded cattle from one range to market, called a cattle drive. Fitting, huh? Moooo.
https://kymkemp.com/2019/05/29/humboldt-countys-health-assessment-reflects-its-high-rate-of-poverty/#comment-818239
Please explain or link to “cowify”, especially and only in the terms that RussiaCo was stating.
In case you didnt know, of course I corrected RussiaCo:
A not-to-complicated web search with words like, ” History of Vaccines, Origin” reveals this:
Edward Jenner is considered the founder of vaccinology in the West in 1796, after he inoculated a 13 year-old-boy with vaccinia virus (cowpox), and demonstrated immunity to smallpox. In 1798, the first smallpox vaccine was developed
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.immune.org.nz/vaccines/vaccine-development/brief-history-vaccination&ved=2ahUKEwiGs63XmcniAhULXa0KHd_oBRYQFjACegQIERAI&usg=AOvVaw1gZk7GXa7IJNX51q59PWT-
Next up:
RussiaCos flat earth.
the flat earth, the domed earth, the round earth – idk, or care at this point.
-RussiaCo
https://kymkemp.com/2019/01/01/30-acre-fire-burning-southwest-of-willow-creek-in-humboldt-county-according-to-cal-fire/#comment-731176
I’m fucking done with RHBB comments.
Besides 7 commentors, most of you are normalizing absolute idiocy, insanity and baseless accusations.
Enjoy the #mentalgoldenshowers.
Hyperbole.
noun
exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.
U say that but your not done. You love it. You get off on commenting. Clearly. If your nor hdbchump
No it was a vaccine for small pox because someone noted that peoole exposed to cow pox tended to be immune to smallpox and cowpox was an illness that the human could deal with. Surely there were anti vaxxers for that too, probably saying that, if God wanted people not to be scourged by smallpox, they wouldn’t get sick.
It was a vaccine from cowpox that worked on smallpox.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_vaccine
I meant ‘from’, not ‘for’ in my previous post.
Woah, what happened to legitimizing and defending the flat earthers “cowify” description ?
I’m not interested in defending anyone’s point of view, even mine. I’ll present the facts as I have them. Take it or leave it.
But jump in and defend you did.
Obviously. I knew, and had posted what you tried to defend Humcluck with. But you still didnt give a link for “cowify”.
And you jumped in when I asked for it. So please. It’s obvious what you did.
You do it often for the looney bin.
It’s my biggest peeve against your otherwise rational, stubborn brain.
It’s just the etymology of the word. As far as I know most vaccines are grown in chicken eggs.
I took ” cowify” as hyperbole.
Edit: she may also be equating “cowify” with chattel… or the corporate ownership of the People. Chattel = cattle.
If you think CH is loony, why do you take it so seriously? And make it so personal? Why would you not have a little empathy and let somethings pass? Those who claim sanity for themselves would. Yet you attack people for defending not what she believes but for trying to explain to you the origins of her beliefs. Frankly although hard to tease out sometimes, she usually has a basis for her thoughts and sometimes a sense of humor, which you seem to miss. You don’ have to agree to be a little kinder.
Explain the basis or humor in spreading fear-lies like;
-no supertankers at the Campfir
-Tens of thousands secretly killed at Paradise
– flat earth.
Brian- I wasn’t made afraid. I searched the news sites, found one that said the supertanker had been delayed for a day because of it is location (which was due to contracted requirements?) and posted a picture of it flying as of that morning. Isn’t that the way it should go with claims on the internet? Because CH believed something different did not make her a liar. Just wrong. But in the process of checking, I learned a lot about the tanker and it’s uses, limitations and costs. If it’s important, I check.
If someone’s wrong, they generally admit it, or dont make the same disproven claim again.
That’s not what HumCluck does.
That makes HumCluck a liar.
Not to mention the ways HumCluck lied regarding what I didnt say to another commentor during the “2 missing girls” articles. Not to mention, HumCluck tried to put ITS words under my name. ( all documented)
HumCluck is not wrong.
HumCluck is a liar.
Brian- no, people don’t generally admit error. In fact they frequently get even more defensive and tend to double down.
So during the time period that the measles and rubella vaccines were deployed, measles and rubella became less deadly. Got it.
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/physicians-for-informed-consent-another-radical-anti-vaccine-group/
I know your posistion and I’m not trying to sway you. Your logic is faulty: the vaccine keeps you from expressing symptoms of the disease, so the vaccine would have nothing to do with a decrease in mortality rate since those with a vaccine should not display symptoms. Only those that showed symptoms and we’re diagnosed with the disease would be part of that statistic.
98% of people vaccinated never become contiguous. That’s the whole point of it, herd immunity. How many people do you know who got polio recently?
Further, the death rate from influenza is 0.9 per 100,000… or 4.5 times higher than for measels.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/flu.htm
Keep things in perspective, folks.
Life is a sexually transmitted disease that is 100% fatal.
One big problem with measles is that it suppresses the immune system for up to two years which leads to other infections. So a person who recovers apparently well from measles can subsequently get pneumonia, and other infections, which can have a fatal outcome, more easily. Which is what happened to me. Those subsequent deaths would not have been recorded as related to measles. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908915/
Then there are the consequences of the disease to vulnerable people. Measles can cause abortions. Then there is the interesting phenomenon that as people ave, the quality of the immune response goes down. Used to be that getting measles after childhood was rare as almost everyone got it and, if it didn’t kill you as a child, you didn’t get it later on. Now that vaccinations have reduced exposure to the disease, there has been a population who were not expised, not vaccinated and are older when the odds finally catch up with them. How they will deal with the disease? It will be a learning curve for the medical profession. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3334858/
Then there are somethings that the death stats you cited don’t address at all. Measles have a fair level of causing permanent damage to hearing, sometimes vision or brain damage. My sister, who seemed to recover well, ended up with some hearing loss which is a fairly common complication of the disease.
I ended up with encephalitis, pneumonia, kidney infections and ear infections.
In fact, I wonder how many health woes that we experience as we age are due to the “normal childhood illnesses” that were no common and are no longer. I suppose we’ll find out as the population never having suffered through these diseases ages. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/measles/complications/
One last thing- the idea that basic better health reduced the death rate from measles isn’t all that well supported by the graph in the link. What happened during the time frame given is that hospitals became more knowledgeable at dealing with infections and more available so more people survived. That does not mean it just fine and dandy to get so sick you end up in the hospital.
Your Stats are off by an exponential factor. In developed countries, death occurs in 1 to 2 cases out of every 1,000 (0.1% – 0.2%). Death from measles was reported in approximately 0.2% of the cases in the United States from 1985 through 1992.THAT’S 1-2 DEATHS PER THOUSAND, NOT PER 100,000. JUST 100 TIMES MORE
That’s in reported cases which represents somewhere between 1 and 10% of total cases. Hence the discrepancy.
In days of compulsory education, public health organizations and require reporting, it is unlikely there is a serious under reporting issue.
Thank you ULLR Rover for all your posts, ladled with research and common sense. You’re appreciated far more than you realize.
~second that.
Obviously
https://kymkemp.com/2019/06/04/mendocino-had-tourist-with-confirmed-case-of-measles-please-check-time-and-dates-to-see-if-you-might-have-been-exposed/#comment-820296
Let it go Brian, you are making yourself look like the authoritarian in training.
The truth will never be known about things we can’t verify with our own eyes, and ears. There are plenty of people who have been silenced for WAY more important things. Whistle-blowers, at every level have been attacked and many lives have been ruined for attempting to bring the truth to light. You act more and more like someone with an axe to grind.
it’s pretty obvious to many of us who realize Google is part of the problem.
Anti trust action is long over due and people like you, however noble your intentions, are dragging down the people who have real concerns about the track record of the corporate governance model.
There are people posting links to valuable discussions and important information with people who have contributed way more to humanity’s open source software than your tired rants [Edit]
Having a vaccine injured child and being challenged to ask the tough question’s is more than appropriate, considering the lack of liability and accountability from those who exert power.
Check yourself brother, there’s a long list of unconventional thinkers who gave the unpopular philosophical approach a place. The journey to truth is a long and winding road. I humbly suggest that you focus your energy on more healing your own trauma , instead of creating more.
Best
Shak, I’ve got a link to you extolling the virtues of nicotine for chidren. I don’t think anyone should be taking medical advice from you.
https://kymkemp.com/2017/09/12/when-a-heat-related-illness-sent-a-st-bernards-cheerleader-to-the-hospital-family-asks-could-anything-have-been-done-to-prevent-this/#comment-482467
Vaccinations are so hot rite now
Its one thing to have a conversation with disagreements but some of you just judge peoplw based on internet comments and its fairly sad that we are so quick to insult and defame eachother behind the guise of internet anonymity… Jack.. You are a vector for many things. And if your vaccines work why are you worried? U think youll live forever?
Meanwhile 300,000 DIE from coronary artery disease every year in the USA .
One out of every 3 deaths!
10’s of thousands more are disabled thru cardiovascular events .
Think about it, an average of 15 people DIE in EVERY SINGLE STATE, EVERY SINGLE DAY , from heart disease.
But bacon..
Bacon doesnt cause heart disease. Maybe nitrate cured bacon. Folks need to wake up
You must be with the pork beef / dairy lobby.
Eating foods that contain saturated fats raises the level of cholesterol in your blood. High levels of LDL cholesterol in your blood increase your risk of heart disease and stroke.
Im not with any lobby. Cholesterol is actually good for you. Just not in extreme amounta. Do some research.
Lol enjoy your statins
You refute that cholesteral and saturated fats are neccessary.. Especially for developing brains… Its science. And id venture to say im pro ably healthier than you. 530 to midnite everyday. Kickin ass and takin names amd stackin coin.
We are the plague. Intelligent locusts. In the end, Mother Nature will find a way to balance its home.
There ya have it.
~love it!
Of course our species may not survive . . . but the Earth abideth forever -so i’ve read.
No trees, no people.
No insects, no people.
No birds, no people.
No fish, no people.
No plankton, no people.
No animals, no people.
No vegetation, no people.
No sunshine, no people.
No clean air, no people.
Geoengineered climate collapse, no people.
Agree. We R the cancer. And also being cultivated by smarter organisms… Octopus can alter their dna.. Mycelium can completely recode dna… We are imps.
Is it possible to set aside the emotions of vaccines and look at it from a less emotional perspective? I used to be a medical officer on a ship and had the tetanus vaccine on hand to give should someone receive a puncture wound or scratch and was not up to date on their vaccine. The vaccine came in a single dose, and didn’t have all the crap in it that today’s vaccines have. Todays vaccines come in a multiple dose vial which requires stabilisers and preservatives so it can remain viable for a longer time after the first use.
Todays MMR II vaccine has chick embryo cell culture, WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts, vitamins, amino acids, fetal bovine serum, sucrose, glutamate, recombinant human albumin, neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin, sodium phosphate, and sodium chloride in it. WI-38 is human fetal cells from the 38th aborted fetus of an African woman isolated by the Wistar Institute years ago. The cost of fetal cells was an important part of the reason the fight for Roe vs Wade was supported by Big Pharma. The lead scientist from a company in Sweden, who supplied the cells, came over to W.I. and took a lucrative job with them after Roe Vs Wade was settled.
Todays vaccine makers have isolated themselves from lawsuits by people who feel a vaccine caused them or their kids damage and sue. There is a fund of over a billion dollars set up for people who are damaged by vaccines. Only one lawsuit has gone through by someone who thought a vaccine caused autism in their child (they won). About 4,000 more are awaiting their day in court, which they can not get, because the courts won’t schedule a date in court.
Why would Big Pharma need to be protected from lawsuits if the vaccines are safe?
When I first vaccinated my kid he would start shaking his head within three hours he would continuously shake his head until I placed my hand on his head and stopped him. After his third vaccine he stopped talking, and didn’t talk for 18 months. Could this have been due to the vaccine? You tell me. I stopped his vaccines, and he is developing fine, and is now a healthy seven year old. My second kid has never gotten a vaccine. The first kid gets the typical colds like anyone. My second kid has never been sick, even when exposed to the rest of us. Strange.
If vaccine makers would go back to the days where they made single dose vaccines without all the additives, sure, I would get them for my children. But they won’t, because it affects their bottom line; higher profit. Well, my children are my bottom line, and I would do anything to protect them, even if it means being labeled an anti-vaxer.
So I suppose the bottom line is do what you think is best. If you believe our government is telling the truth and vaccines are safe, go ahead and get them. We still have a choice, and everyone should exercise their freedom of choice. An unvaccinated kid can carry a virus, and vaccinated kids can as well. The difference is the vaccinated kid shouldn’t get sick, if the vaccine works. Most times it does.
In closing, I really don’t care what other people think, if they can’t back it up with facts, or if they hide evidence, or simply just call me names. To those who will discuss openly and honestly, I’ll listen. I’ve studied the issue as deeply as I can, and with my personal observations, I’m just not convinced vaccines are safe for everyone. It doesn’t matter if 99% of the time it’s safe. If you’re the 1% who has a kid who gets developmental problems, it’s enough (for me) to question the problem. Since estimates of 25% of the population question the safety of vaccines, I would think our benevolent government would do something other than label the 25% anti-vaxers, but calling people vile names seems to be the only way we as a group can function these days. It’s sad for me that this is happening.
Yet you discount the experiences of those who tell you the disease itself causes more issues. BTW are you sure that the simple vaccine you remember was simply not labeled with everything in it because it was not required to be?
But I agree that research and development of vaccines needs to be more focussed on patient reactions and less on manufacturers’ convenience. Until my recent experience with an animal vaccine that created less issues but combined more vaccines, I would have agreed that separate shots were less problematic. Now I’m not so sure. Something changed this year.
I’m pro-choice. ( For women too! Not to point out even more glaring discrepencies in these commentors “opinions”.)
I dont get a yearly flu-shot. But I dont work with children, as Jaekel has mentioned, and I agree, would be reason to get it yearly.
There can be legitimate discussion and debate .
Unfortunately many of the percentage of people in the “no vac” group also want legitimate discussions on the likely hood that school shootings are staged.
For instance, Shak posted links to crisis actors after the Parkland shooting.
https://kymkemp.com/2018/03/25/gun-violence-one-teachers-opinion/#comment-550699
Or they want s legitimate discussion on if the earth is flat…
Its psychosis.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/03/media/infowars-alex-jones-business/index.html
I’m only here to point out psychosis and disinformers.
Real brian u really think the internet comment section is where peoples true colors are huh? In black and white? Go outside.
“There can be legitimate discussion and debate .
There can be legitimate discussion and debate .
There can be legitimate discussion and debate .
There can be legitimate discussion and debate .
There can be legitimate discussion and debate .
There can be legitimate discussion and debate .
There can be legitimate discussion and debate .”
Then you had to bring up handy sook.
You just can’t seem to express yourself like Paul , who actually has some experience first hand, and experienced injury from something that was meant to help.
Your acute reaction is symptomatic of a larger issue.
I hope you can get past this rough patch.
Kym has said she has 30 stories she wants to write, you could help her with using your skills to investigate things that can keep the discussion moving forward. I know you are better than this.
Cancer is a Fungus | Dr. Simonccini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io_AW4DgO6E 19:35 March 2012
Cancer/fungus cannot survive in an alkaline environment.
‘Dr Mary’s Monkey’ Edward Haslam; The emergent cancer epidemic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhB0aFm6MP4 2:19:50 audio March 2015
How the unsolved murder of a doctor, a secret laboratory in New Orleans and cancer-causing monkey viruses are linked to Lee Harvey Oswald, the JFK assassination and emerging global epidemics.
Besides the OBVIOUS fact that human cancer is NOT a fungus (does cancer produce chitin? Does cancer reproduce through spores?) there are ABSOLUTELY fungi that thrive in environments so alkaline they would kill you very quickly.
Why do you post this dumb shit?
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13225-015-0320-2
Do you ever get tired of being wrong all the time?
Asher, Cash, Bacteria, Inc. Milwaukee: Lee Foundation For Nutritional Research, 1955
Here are a few sentences from the booklet: “At the conclusion of his long and thorough experimentations, Dr. Campbell arrived at two important conclusions. 1. That small pox is transmitted only by the bite of an infected bug. 2. That perversion of nutrition determines the degree of virulence . . . Today, the bedbug has all but vanished from this vacuumed and disinfected land of ours . . . But the practice of vaccinations is as popular as it was in the days of the plague. . . . Why, then, does the vaccination fetish persist? We must find the answer in economics —in the billion dollar serum industry and its correlative industry, medical practice.” The copyrights for this book are now under the custodianship of the International Foundation For Nutrition And Health; this organization prints many valuable books by Royal Lee, Melvin Page and others.
Guest,
If you dont think the Senate report was enough to warrant concern for propaganda.
How about you read about the contemporary history of Andy Parker, a Sandy Hook victims father.
Start your search wherever you choose.
‘”Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it”
What exactly do you stand for?
There are multiple layers of psychological operations going on. If you don’t want to acknowledge the truth, that’s fine. Your belief system is creating toxic feedback loops in yourself.
Was Sandy Hook staged?
Let’s focus on more important things than indefensible arguments you feel better attacking. Please use your talents for the greater good of humanity. Hitler had a solution for people he didn’t like and I’m beginning to see some extremist behavior from someone who should know better. You are becoming increasingly isolated with this line of thought.
You can do better, keep the discussion moving forward, not backwards. It’s all good, we most certainly have more important issues than Trying to verify the unverifiable.
Knowing that MLK, was an inside job, RFK, and JFK, and countless others who pushed back just helps me to understand that you know, as well as I do, that we have been under a system that has made life more challenging, complex, and more difficult than our parents and grandparents. the curriculum taught at all those ivy league grad schools that produce the leaders of industry that have been force fed the capitalist model above all else.
We have got way more important things to discuss than handy sook.
Yes or No.
Why be afraid of making a statement?
Are you not sure?
Either way, yes or no, just answer.
I judge. I judge my life. I judge others. Answer the question.
I don’t have a dog in that fight.
I personally don’t care about handy sook!
Sorry to disappoint.
We can talk about William Pepper.
I got anger issues as well, most of it stems from the ignorance of historic precedent.
I got even more issues with people who know better. You know better than the behavior you are exhibiting. You are frustrated, I hear it, I just wish for fucjs sake you could focus on something else. You are spiraling out of control, and you are undermining your cause.
You can do better.
Just find something else to focus on, this isn’t your calling. Your talents are better used, in other places.
Did you listen to “telling truth through fiction”?
MK ULTRA
When Will The Collective Voices Of The World’s Populations Regarding Mandatory Vaccination Mandates Be Heard & Not Violated Daily? https://bit.ly/2WiNOvs June 4, 2019
No Mandatory Vaccines, By Catherine J. Frompovich
With great respect for all who are in the ultimate “fight for healthful lives and medical freedoms,” I bring you the exceptional video sponsored by Attorney Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his Children’s Health Defense titled “Vaccine Mandate Legislation Update.”
Mr. Kennedy synthesizes the global vaccine safety movement, which is totally captivating, especially in view of the fact the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) along with Big Pharma’s corporate lobbyists are pushing hard to have every last human on the face of the earth vaccinated. Why, when their paradigm of artificial ‘immunity’, if you can call it that due to chemical castration of the innate immune system, is to create the pharmacological version of the immune system called “Adaptive Immunity.”
Kym @7:41,
You KNOW life is tough for me. Really? Tougher than any other commenters? Like threat of banning, just me, regarding Mrs. Obama. Not Taxpayer, not any other commenters who spoke with the same perspective, just me. And you will tell me when i’m wrong using your same periscope. Perhaps you should clean the lens.
I “know” because I watch you make life tough here. Right now, you are claiming that I only threatened to ban you for the Michelle Obama comments. Here are the places where other commenters are given the ultimatum, but my bet is you will refuse to say…”I’m sorry. I made a mistake.” Try apologizing when you are proved wrong. Life gets easier.
https://kymkemp.com/2019/03/13/suspicious-cylinder-located-on-samoa-beach/#comment-793721
https://kymkemp.com/2018/12/28/no-annual-womens-march-this-year-in-eureka/#comment-722984
For whatever its worth, no one is off limits for answering the tough questions. Frankly CHO, has provided a ton of useful information, and those benefits for many may not contribute to your bottom line. If you can’t enforce the rules equally, then what’s the point. I appreciate your comment section, but we all have inherent confirmation biases, and we tend to find information that fits our belief system. Such is life.
If you are tired of moderating the Gaza Strip, I completely understand. There’s a need for more debate that doesn’t descend into a bottomless pit of off topic harassment.
We keep seeing how people are triggered by strongly held belief systems and our nation is polarizing to a very dangerous point. All the while the corporate government model is steam rolling the future of our children by excessive debt and the interest on that debt that will be unsustainable.
Wouldn’t it be great if you could get your readers to contribute in a way that would help you on your mission?
The public square is a protected place, and I hope we can all agree that freedom of speech and other incredible freedoms are being attacked and we are absolutely in a state of anxiety and stress, that we must take a look at the system that we are propping up.
Is capitalism, and the single minded pursuit to commodify just about everything on the planet is a disease that needs to addressed.
Sometimes I lose hope with this greed based humanity, then I come and read the comments at RHBB, and I’m given some sense of hope. I’m encouragea by the engagement of differing perspectives and the information learn that constantly helps us to be accountable for our beliefs, and how to stand behind them.
Good luck and good night
No, CHO has not provided (almost) any useful information. Most of what she says is tinfoil hat level of off the wall. I allow it but I do not encourage anyone to believe it.
Her theories are constantly proven as wrong as the one above where she claimed that she was the only one given an ultimatum. But, in fact, I spoke to two others by name and included all the others by implication.
But, if you choose to believe in flat earth theories in spite of all evidence to the contrary, be aware that you will taint the other information you offer among sensible people.
Flat earth??
What does the shape of the globe have to do with my comment. I spoke of Geo Engineering, but not the earth being flat.
With all due respect, Kym, this is a relatively small community and you can appreciate that for what it’s worth.
Living most of my life, in close proximity to nationally funded labs, and research centers and places where there is a huge concentration of highly skilled and security clearanced population, the tin foil hat claim is more of a deflection to what’s widely known in some circles, but will never be verified on any website you can Google.
The view some of these people have of the public, at large, is quite “off the wall”, considering how insulated most of them feel when they are on the inside looking out. In fact, they are simply the useful idiots who are just on the best funded team.
Elitism and intelligence are a scary combination.
There’s plenty of real conspiracy theories that are shrouded with layers of deception.
I suppose I don’t follow everything everyone says, that’s your job, but I see plenty of ignorance as well.
You can believe whatever you want to believe. Not everyone can make a connection with out verification.
Sometimes it’s OK to keep ones head in the sand.
Or you can take some time to research patents
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.facebook.com/GlobalMarchAgainstChemtrailsAndGeoengineering/posts/293824967492628&ved=2ahUKEwjxkMbEqNTiAhWFqp4KHSC6BgkQFjACegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw1HiwHSSv8FZu6Sv0cAtNHc
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2019/06/04/bayer-hunts-down-journalists.aspx
There’s plenty of real issues to deal with, but I understand the scope of your work and the time constraints on all of us to do our part to be a better version of ourselves.
The learning never stops.
I don’t quite agree with it being that simple (surprise, surprise.) What you call not useful sometimes calls attention to something important. While I find CH’s conclusions general way over elaborate, not living up to the stain of the meaning she assigns to them and the facts cherry picked to suit her beliefs, they almost always have a kernal of reality that can be found with careful reading and subsequent research. But the process is way too exhausting to do most of the time. I just don’t go there much.
Still better that than those who just condemn, insult, roll their eyes and write as if they know what’s what. You can contradict with facts and better understanding when presented with wrong facts but trolls who just call others stupid, deluded or just plain wrong are impossible. Facts are never an antidote to people who refuse to listen to others and think they are right to do so.
Living in America means we are free to believe or research whatever interests us doesn’t it?
Even so, CH, to my knowledge, never promoted the FE. CH only posted a video of interest about the Calif fires. That’s when your ‘expert’ came in and accused CH of being a FE’er because the Video uploader was a FE behind the scenes (not in the video itself). The expert chided and scolded and tried to ‘smear’ CH’s name in order to frighten people from watching Calif fire videos that highlight abnormalies like that video did.
I’m the one that asked CH what all the FE stuff was about, and CH said she had no idea, but we both found it interesting that it was being used as a ‘smear’ tactic against posters.
I did a little bit of digging (an hour or two is all), and discovered it’s a psyops program created for smear campaigns. I then mentioned that in another thread when I caught up with CH later, so I mentioned it again. (there was another ‘smear’ attack against her I think). The posts (including that one) got deleted.
To summarize, CH only showed an interest after the smear campaign began.
CH is cool, always concerned about our liberties being stolen from the people, like freedom of speech.
That reminds me. Who the hell is HumCluck?
OH, and something else.
One of the video’s on the Calif fire that CH posted shows the strange bright orbs just before the smoke started. But, only those who truly want to see for themselves, (make an informed decision instead of knee jerk reaction), has to see it for themselves. That’s why I pointed out for others to slow the video down (yes, dear uninformed viewers, yt has a settings control button that allows you to select the HD, the Speed and a few other goodies).
NO sense worrying about it now, because ‘experts’ are busy deleting every tell tale sign over on yt. Chances are, that one’s already gone, seeing as how it made such a big fuss with the ‘experts’ here.
Evidence and all that jazz.
Well said, Sid.
https://www.corbettreport.com/corbett-report-radio-234-mandatory-vaccinations-and-how-to-avoid-them/
Great talk with a pro choice vaccine lawyer
https://youtu.be/30gzBCfCzIY
2018 interview with extreme health radio.
Who writes the legislation for Congress that deals with vaccine health?
Big Pharm through their hired guns.
“Research is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else has thought.”
shak, i just now saw this comment/post of yours, worth more to me than all the tea in China (as they say).
~i often think of what Prez. Clinton referred to as the Merry Band of Three Percenters.
Kym @ 9:59 pm
I make life tough here? Your wishy-washy excuses when you’re caught defending the defenseless are what make life tough in here. When you denigrate shak, what do the readers see as your apology? “Oh Boy”. However, I’m big enough to apologize, and have before, when I read something in error – such as your moderation or ban threats regarding tranny comments in December. I apologize.
Central HumCo
December 31, 2018 9:41 am (same ‘no annual women’s march this year’ thread)
My question was, why are you labeling me and not the other posters who posted the same before i did?
“If you can’t enforce the rules equally, then what’s the point”? (Sid)
“I don’t have to host hate speech.” But you do. You, Brian and Jaek wouldn’t last past a third comment on the other two blogs i frequent.
If we all think alike, then none of us are thinking very much at all. Many of us know what’s in the box – fraud, deceit and illusion. Same as it ever was – Fictional replay on automatic. Dangerous to the herd that’s too busy grazing to notice the shiny tag stapled to their ear, as they spread their manure upon the eyes wide shut groupies . . . while placing all life forms in harm’s way.
You wouldn’t recognize the common law of the land if you found it in your sock drawer.
Most “sensible people” would put down the shovel when they’ve dug themselves into such a deep hole. Climb down from your imaginary pedestal and put down the shovel.
Well, there was an apology in there. Thank you.
Mmmkay. That’s it. Case closed. The thought police has spoken.
Don’t bother yourself with research, Kym, the following two links are for those who have ears that can hear and eyes that can see.
You’re Under Arrest: How the Police State Muzzles Our Right to Speak Truth to Power
By John Whitehead
June 5, 2019
https://bit.ly/2WTF2bs
Doctor Fights Back Against Vaccine Gestapo’s Assault on Freedom
By Ty & Charlene Bollinger
June 6, 2019
https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/mandatory-vaccinations/
Nobody is puzzling your ability to speak, OR your ability to not get vaccinated! Jesus Christ, you’re trying SO HARD to justify your persecution complex. Pathetic.
Good lord, another day of judgement from the peanut gallery.
” . . . your persecution complex.”
“To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.” Ralph Waldo Emerson
That’s the persecution complex I’m talking about. Being continuously proven wrong about the same shit over and over us NOT the same as censorship or repression. It is pathetic, however.
But you cannot be asking people not to judge you when you are judging them. Or at least you can’t rationally. Or even more sensibly, it’s never going to be effective. One of the things that push my buttons is those who sanctimoniously judge the crap out of someone by misapplying the phrase “Judge not lest you be judged.” Yet it has never once worked to say that it does not mean what they think it does. But, being human, I sometimes can’t resist.
I think real brian and central humco shoud either bang or fist fight.. The comment section drama is so lost coast outpost. gET a life.
~i’d rather eat my own flesh.
But u dont even know who each other are in real life.
Brian says he’s Real. That’s enough for me.
~i didn’t start the fire.
Yeah, you fucking did. You sarcastically minimized the importance of measles, pretended people were forcing you to get vaccinated, then bitched about needing a safe space when people told you you were wrong (AGAIN.) Then you started in on the gish-gallop about cancer being a fungus. This is a continual pattern for you. You just seem to want to fuck up the signal-to-noise ratio here.
You’re like the guy who ruined CL Rants and Raves by posting about CPS 50 time a day.
“It is because the public are a mass – inert, obtuse, and passive – that they need to be shaken up from time to time so that we can tell from their bear-like grunts where they are – and also where they stand. They are pretty harmless, in spite of their numbers, because they are fighting against intelligence.” Alfred Jarry
~the mass opposition to the Tyrants is a relatively recent phenomenon, historically speaking. The opposition has never been known before. Go thru it willfully.
https://www.corbettreport.com/corbett-report-radio-234-mandatory-vaccinations-and-how-to-avoid-them/
“Tonight we talk to Alan Phillips, JD of VaccineRights.com and PandemicResponseProject.com about the tricky legal minefield surrounding vaccine exemptions and waivers in the US. We also discuss pandemic emergency response and medical martial law, as well as what people can do to obtain reliable and accurate information about saying “no” to vaccines.”
https://youtu.be/30gzBCfCzIY
2018 interview with extreme health radio.
Who writes the legislation for Congress that deals with vaccine health?
Big Pharm through their hired guns.
“Tip Toeing to Totalitarianism”
It’s incredible to pull back the facade and see the playbook.
“It is no means of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” – Jiddu Krishnamurti
“Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.” –Hippocrates.
The prohibition of idolatry comes before the prohibition of murder.
Vax-a-nations
Weakened greenhouse nature
*Climate Change* *Green* *Sustainable* *Prohibition* . . . External Authority worship. Comfortably numb, phony, fake, fiction; External Authority. Since T.H.E.Y. (The Hierarchy Enslaving You), deflect following their own rules . . . for beginners; Oath of Office, the doctrine of Separation of Powers, co-mingling w/State & City –hell, T.H.E.Y. “reach-out” to other counties – to make sure they’re all doing the same thing simultaneously. Such as; this year’s corporate governmental employee service providers’ (tongue-in-cheek), salaries, will be made public, Statewide – – umm, June 29, 2020 —-then WHY would any thinking one among us follow their make-it-up-a-you-go rules? WHY trust someone who has proven to be so untrustworthy?
How hard can it be/get? It’s just 1% inbred loonies controlling the weather . . . . “He who controls the weather, will control the world.” –Thomas Frey, repeated by Prez. Lyndon Johnson at a graduation ceremony, May 1962 !
Wor(l)d.
~you’re either a part of the solution, or you support the evil. There is no third choice.