Shit Talking: Humboldt County Looks at Adjusting Compost Toilet Rules Amidst Bureaucratic Tangle

A handful of rural resident stakeholders see composting toilets as the most environmentally responsible method for disposing of human waste in Humboldt County.

However, several issues stand in the way of the County adopting composting toilets as a Best Management Practice including state law. Additionally, the Department of Environmental Health lies deep in Humboldt County’s bureaucracy–Department of Health and Human Services which is a subset of the Public Health Branch.

Humboldt County’s Department of Environmental Health (DEH) is finishing its revisions to the Onsite Wastewater Treatment (OWT) Ordinance by recommending revisions to the Code changing the Experimental Disposal Systems Program to Waterless Toilet Systems and codifying their use. [Click for PDF]

When residents live away from communities with sewage services, wastewater is generally treated with septic systems under California Plumbing Code, but a group of rural residents are saying septic systems needlessly waste water and energy. These stakeholders are encouraging the County to not merely allow waterless and composting toilet systems but to see them as the preferred method of waste treatment in low density areas such as Southern Humboldt.

On Tuesday the 21st of May, four stakeholders–Chip Tittmann, Rob Gellman, Jill McClure and Marc Delaney–met with Mario Kalson and Melissa Martel of the DEH along with Supervisor Estelle Fennell to discuss the draft changes to its Ordinance on Onsite Wastewater Treatment that staff will present to the Board of Supervisors Tuesday the 28th.

Mario Kalson is the Senior Environmental Health Specialist in charge of the Ordinance and its review. Kalson introduced himself by saying that while he feels strongly about protecting the aquatic resources in the rural areas of Humboldt County, the laws his job operates under do not easily support waterless and composting toilets. He said, “As a surfer and a diver …. I want to protect the water. I have a real passion for that,” but he also said, “I also have this public health hat. I need to maintain that perspective and ensure that the community is safe in the jurisdiction that is my responsibility.”

Humboldt County is bringing the Department of Environmental Health to bring the County’s Onsite Wastewater Management (OWM) Ordinance into compliance with the California Plumbing Code that was updated in 2016. At the meeting, Kalson said that part of the purpose of the revision is to bring more landowners into coming into compliance with their septic systems. The original ordinance was adopted in 1984 and Kalson said very few landowners have registered previously existing Onsite Wastewater Management systems. He noted,

What we have now is the opportunity to update the ordinance that was implemented in 1984 and not utilized. I’m hearing you guys say you have been installing composting toilets for 40 years, but we haven’t issued any permits. So the ordinance as it is, is not working, it’s not bringing people to the table. In our eyes, if we can get people to the table and get people to apply for a permit, that’s a positive thing. We are protecting the environment and we are creating an opportunity for people to have permits for their properties.

When Kalson asked for their feedback on the proposed draft, he heard from the stakeholders present that the newer version of the ordinance appears to criminalize those who have composting toilets, that it mandates residents to have a permitted septic system in place before being allowed to use a composting toilet, and that it therefor fails to promote composting toilets in areas of environmental concern such as the Eel River watershed.

Rob Gellman is an owner of the New Harris Store in the southeastern corner of Humboldt County. Gellman told the county staff in the meeting that he has been using a composting toilet for decades and has helped install a dozen or so on homesteads in the area during that time.

Gellman said he didn’t understand the need for landowners to have an engineered septic system in place in order to get a permit for a composting toilet. He said that didn’t seem to support actually having people use the composting toilets. He noted that community sewage treatment systems sometimes fail, that cattle are often seen in creeks, but that no effluent ever leaves his toilet. “They compost,” he said. “They are healthy. There is no e. coli seeping out into the environment.”

Rural Cannabis cultivators must bring septic systems into compliance on sites where manufacturing will occur or in other instances in which the site will be an ordinary daily place of employment as opposed to an agricultural site only.

Jill McClure has a rental on land that is being licensed for Commercial Cannabis. The current septic system does not have a building permit. The rental is not involved in the cannabis operation, but lies on the same parcel. She is not being allowed to simply have the system evaluated to see that it functions properly. She said, “The engineers are going to charge thousands to get it permitted, if the county will even allow it, so I have to take this gamble just because I am growing cannabis there.” McClure would prefer to put in a composting toilet which will save water which is a big concern for the regulatory agencies regarding her cannabis operation.

A family of four will use between 12,000 and 24,000 gallons of water a year for toilet flushing depending on the efficiency of the toilet’s design according to the U.S. EPA’s WaterSense webpage. It can also be up to two or three times higher for toilets built before the 1990’s. Composting toilets use no water.

Despite the Safe Homes Program that is supposed to make permitting easier to access, Kalson said, “Development on any parcel has to be permitted. That is why we have Humboldt County Code….so whether you do it before you build it, which is what we recommend, or you do it after you build it, it becomes more difficult because the Code changes over time. So if you built your home 20 years ago, it’s not the same Code as our Code is now.”

Marc Delaney sits on the Board of Supervisor’s newly formed Homelessness Solutions Committee as the affordable housing developer representative. Delaney said he has a long history in Appropriate Technology and he said that composting toilets should not come under the jurisdiction of the California Plumbing Code because there are no water inputs or outputs. A composting toilet is not plumbed.

Delaney also mentioned that with thousands of homeless people living in Humboldt County without access to any kind of toilet, there is a tremendous amount of untreated human waste going directly into the watersheds. Delaney noted that composting toilets are far more affordable than septic systems and that makes housing more affordable.

Kalson explained that a home still needs a septic system connected to kitchen sink water because the Plumbing Code requires a septic option even in homes that opt to use a grey water system. Delaney believes that California law is moving toward allowing kitchens to use greywater. He noted that while kitchens formerly could not be treated as grey water, a diversion valve to a grey water system is now allowed under the Plumbing Code.

Chip Tittmann said the proposed draft will make criminals of people who are using composting toilets even though a composting toilet is much more environmentally responsible than using water to flush into a septic system. Both Tittmann and Gellman expressed a sense of personal responsibility involved in “dealing with your own [feces.]”

Kalson said that the County cannot be sure that future owners of properties with composting toilets will be responsible for the systems. He gave an example from Mendocino County where an elderly couple “produced barrels of waste with no means of disposal.”

The language of the OWTS Ordinance adopted in 2017 does not mention any need for ongoing certification that a septic system is operating properly.

Kalson explained to the stakeholders that his staff has heard the concerns and moved the County’s Ordinance toward compromise wherever possible including reducing the mandatory checks on composting toilets from requiring a County employee to check on them twice a year, to having the landowner provide certification by an expert once every three years; an allowance for composting toilets built to pre-approved plans under public domain; and an allowance for manufactured composting toilets if landowners have an appropriate way to finish the composting in a second site.

Kalson said, “We would love for your support and your buy-in. It may not meet every one of your criteria, but it’s going in the direction where we can meet together…”

Then he added, “Rob, I know you had concerns that [the ordinance] doesn’t highlight the water savings, and doesn’t make conspicuous the water saving advantages, and I can appreciate that, but the guidance we have from County Council and from interpreting the code, is that [the ordinance] is not so much the space for the pros and cons, but for the regulatory framework.”

Supervisor Estelle Fennell said she sees that “one size does not fit all.” She agreed with Chip Tittmann’s proposal that a pilot project be developed to move the research forward. Fennell said she will recommend that Kalson be involved.

This Ordinance is scheduled to be presented to the Humboldt County Board of Supervisor’s on Tuesday, May 28th. Residents who cannot attend in person can view the proceedings from a link on the humboldtgov.org Board of Supervisors page. This item is number 4 under the Department Reports at the bottom of the agenda.

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Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
7 years ago

The foundation of western civilization : sewage treatment.

Gardyloo!

This guy
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This guy
7 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Yes but in populated areas. If u can compoat your waste you dont need sewage.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
7 years ago
Reply to  This guy

Imagine the composting toilet in a 30 story apartment building.

guest
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guest
7 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

One composting toilet per household usually works fine. What does a 30 story building have to do with a composting toilet. Every household gets their own toilet. Plumbing would be more of a nightmare in a 30 story bldg than dumping a bucket one a week.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
7 years ago
Reply to  guest

You don’t have a family…”dumping a bucket once a week”… nope… once a day.

….and you didn’t get my original comment. It was sewage in cities that allowed the growth of western civilization.

stuber
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stuber
7 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

No no no. I will not have one of those things in my house. Our septic has lasted 27 years, and is just fine. No shit buckets in my house. How stupid.

Ben Round
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Ben Round
7 years ago

Important issue to those of us in the hills. I appreciate these community members stepping up to lead the way!

Willie Caso-Mayhem
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7 years ago

????Good morning and Happy Memorial Day Kelley and that’s a really well put together article.

anny
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anny
7 years ago

World issue. Poop in water is bad. Someone please engineer an automatic waterless, odorless, low or no energy use toilet devoid of human error.
I know. High bar.

This guy
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This guy
7 years ago
Reply to  anny

Those exist.

Dee
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Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  anny

It’s already exsist but the right players didn’t present the idea so we will wait another 30 years until the right player comes along… fxxxing shame, on us. I’m going to take matters into my own hands. I’m build a home and I’m going with no water system… I’m up for the fight, waiting on California to make a decision is like waiting for an alien from Mars to knock on your front door and deliver Uber eats order, never going to happen.

Guest
Guest
Guest
7 years ago

This is ridiculous. Composting toilets work great and very common in MODERN tiny homes & RV’s these days. THIS IS GOING BACKWARDS with sustainability. It’s far better than using water and sustainable especially during A DROUGHT. Over-criminalizing & over-regulating citizens of the county is becoming absurd. If this is a true concern, the County can team up with HSU CCAT (Campus Center for Appropriate Technology) & have workshops throughout the County on how to do DIY correctly or have an affordable Natures Head Composting Toilet wholesale program… the opportunity to team up with HSU/CR is endless. I’ve never seen anyone have their composting toilet contaminate water or anywhere near a water supply. Composting Toilets have no odor. Outhouses where people sh*t & piss in a hole in the ground is far more concerning than composting toilets. Composting toilets are contained systems.

Central HumCo
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7 years ago
Reply to  Guest

“Over-criminalizing & over-regulating citizens of the county is ‘becoming ‘absurd.”

~we passed absurd long ago. As Dane Wigington says, regarding the sixth extinction, we’ve gone thru the guardrail. Putting the brakes on before we hit at full velocity is futile.

I just can’t imagine that using a certain type of toilet is neither here nor there. Nevertheless, i applaud your
wisdom, Guest.

guest
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guest
7 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

There’s way more contamination from leaking septics than composting toilets… guaranteed.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
7 years ago
Reply to  guest

Leaking is how septic systems work.

anny
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anny
7 years ago

Furthermore, sewage disposal is the central issue regarding lack of housing.

Guest
Guest
Guest
7 years ago
Reply to  anny

Just stop the tweakers from dumping raw sewage in to the creeks as they’ve been doing for years, in some parts of the country. I’ve seen first hand the county’s inability to enforce any semblance of code when it comes to to the tweaker homesteads. Instead they want to enforce an expansion of control for obvious reasons beyond the scope of poop.

CanYouSmellThat?
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CanYouSmellThat?
7 years ago

Please fix the first paragraph;
It’s not only “A handful of rural resident stakeholders ” sheesh!

This is important to hundreds .. probably thousands of people.

People who have been living here and doing it correctly for decades.

Thanks

Kelley
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Kelley
7 years ago

Yes. It is important to many many people, but this story is about this one effort with these folks.

PU
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PU
7 years ago

Some people think their shit don’t stink.

John Rose
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John Rose
7 years ago

This issue has been in county government for at least forty years, indicating gross incompetence in addressing the matter. County politicians literally cannot get their shit together.

It's nut$
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It's nut$
7 years ago

“We would love for your support and your buy-in.

The county /\ in a nutshell.

tom grover
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tom grover
7 years ago

This proposed change will not work as written. You dont really get a permit, just a 3 year permission.
You CAN pass laws that dont follow ca law ,you just need to run it through the state. Dont buy this
hussle. DHHS needs to follow public participation guidelines and make real changes. send an email
to the supervisors if you cant make it to Eureka tomorrow afternoon.Call if you have questions
923-3502

SId Vicious
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SId Vicious
7 years ago

No matter which way the pendulum swings, you can guarantee there is a code, ordinance, or law that will give the government the power to tax, destroy, and eliminate sensible solutions. If they really cared about poop in the creeks, they wouldn’t discriminate against any form if life. Human being or animal. Shit is Shit. They are setting up the guidelines, precedent, for the ability to make your rural existence micro managed until they literally have the ability to remove the right for you to inhabit “their” land.
They see themselves as over lords of all land. There’s nothing wrong if you have plenty of cash , and can grease all the wheels needed, but this will simply give the county another tool to remove people from the land.

For The Fish?

Where’s the moratorium on MONSANTO’S Glyphosate? The allowable levels in the ground water have had to be raised by the state so people could not sue.

https://www.focusforhealth.org/rounding-up-glyphosate/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjcK6rcO84gIVisDACh03YgDGEAAYAyAAEgKhSvD_BwE

https://www.focusforhealth.org/?s=Glyphosate

Of course the county can’t address this inconvenient fact:

“In a survey of the open literature, there are over 200 scientific papers covering the toxicity of glyphosate in human tissues.”

I’m sure there are plenty of people who understand this threat, so why don’t we hold the country responsible for cancer causing pesticides being sold by the gallon in every garden center.?

$tupid as, $tupid does.

Dan F
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Dan F
7 years ago
Reply to  SId Vicious

Not only NO Moratorium on Glyphosate, but Roundup is still being advertised on the Tube as being safe to use!!!!

Sid Vicious
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Sid Vicious
7 years ago
Reply to  Dan F

It’s really obvious they aren’t interested in the health of the environment, just tightening their grip over it.

Shit Sucks, no doubt, but hearing a very narrow view of environmental concerns really exposes this for what it is.

A power grab.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/06/the-weedkiller-in-our-food-is-killing-us

If you drink wine, you are obviously getting some of that Monsanto with every glass

If you want to get sick, swim in the poop stream.

If you eat anything non organic, chances are you are being subjected to what some scientists call softkill.

Why on earth can’t we all get together for the bees!

Guy
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Guy
7 years ago

This has been going on in Humboldt and Mendocino counties for over 50 years, and the only people who have solved it are those living in rural areas and off the grid. Too bad government officials don’t understand how it works.

SmallFry
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SmallFry
7 years ago

It’s about time the county starts looking at feasible alternatives. The current septic system is designed for Wisconsin. Not the state of California. Having like two flats bigger than most people’s houses for hills is not exactly the best design. Composting toilets.. or vermiculure composting toilets (worms procecessing excrement) are viable safe alternatives. Outhouses can be built in safe, and healthy fashions. Especially on larger acerage with acceptable setbacks from property lines or water sheds..
And grey water.. you can build a very simple eco friendly grey water system.. affordably And effectively.

Here is an example of a septic system that you can actually install yourself with a much less footprint. A few counties in California have actually already approved this system already. I think the big thing is that it must be installed with the proper engineered “septic sand” which is actually pretty widely available.. In order to purchase the system, you have to take thier online course on how to install it properly. And if there is a problem.. you can actually dig it up, clean it out, possibly replace sand, but most likely reuse the septic field itself because the system removes all the super fine particles that clog up the soil in the first place. And you can actually properly install it on a grade.. not just flat land. It’s an interesting system that is more suitable for the hills of California…

https://presbyeco.com/products/advanced-enviro-septic%E2%84%A2-wastewater-treatment-system/

Chuck U
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Chuck U
7 years ago

When the Juan de Fuca plate goes destroying all sewage systems FEMA will ask us all to do this…This is from Portland but I pulled it from the FEMA doc on their PNW 9.5 megaquake exercise. It is actually a great read.

https://www.portlandoregon.gov/pbem/article/447707

Ed Voice
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Ed Voice
7 years ago

“Kalson explained that a home still needs a septic system connected to kitchen sink water because the Plumbing Code requires a septic option even in homes that opt to use a grey water system. Delaney believes that California law is moving toward allowing kitchens to use greywater. He noted that while kitchens formerly could not be treated as grey water, a diversion valve to a grey water system is now allowed under the Plumbing Code.”

So with that being said; how is Reggae on the River allowed and permitted to dispose of their wastewater generated from food vendors, food prep and their “kitchen sink”(s), into what is referred to as a grey water leach field system onsite and in the floodplain of the South Fork Eel, estimated at approx 44,000 gallons per event and or year?

Now, in 2018, Reggae on the River had literary twice as many food vendors and food trucks (with kitchen sinks) that I had ever seen listed and permitted by DEH (TFF) before. The reason I mention this, is because the estimated amount of approx 44,000 gallons of grey water generated at Reggae is when they had half as many food vendors from 2014 thru 2017.

So if “kitchen sink” wastewater “could not be treated as grey water” and “not allowed under the Plumbing code”; how is Reggae on the River permitted to do this in the floodplain, only 200 to 400 feet from the South Fork Eel (during low flows), at the three on-site grey water leach fields?

Central HumCo
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7 years ago

*Off subject* Memorial Day post.

Today is the day our country sets aside to remember the sacrifices of thousands and thousands of men and women who served in the military.

However, i would like to ask that you do something different this year for our veterans. Give 43 minutes of you time and watch this video…

All Wars Are Banker’s Wars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JpYjxxfHyg 43:33 June 2013

Bushytails
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Bushytails
7 years ago

IMHO, we really need to reclassify wisconsin mounds as standard systems. The county currently makes them pointlessly difficult and expensive to install and operate, resulting in the continued use of failed fields that could be easily and cheaply replaced by a pump chamber and a mound. I’d say the county’s stance on mounds is directly responsible for a lot of contaminated water, but they want their money instead of wanting to actually solve problems…

Orange Sunshine
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Orange Sunshine
7 years ago

Keep huffin’ buddy.

shak
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shak
7 years ago

Need to get past paranoia? This video (ff to 5:00 if in a hurry) shares a clean setup, plus he shovels it back to show us what it looks like when it’s composted/ing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx_gId5l0A8

Looks like a cleaner system to me. No plugged up overflowing toilets flooding the floor, no splash back when they fall, no smell, no plugged up overflowing into your yard septic system…

gunther
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gunther
7 years ago
Reply to  shak

Good video.

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
7 years ago

The sewer systems in all cities on the northcoast aren’t sized to accommodate the runoff from rainwater. Everytime it rains they overflow hundreds of thousands of gallons into rivers, creeks and the sea. I think we should start there and work back to rural properties not vice versa.

Faro
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Faro
7 years ago

Maybe after Estelle loses the election she can become a composting toilet inspector for the county.

Poo rly done job
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Poo rly done job
7 years ago
Reply to  Faro

I’d vote for that

Joan Dunning
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Joan Dunning
7 years ago

I went to Aldiron Laird’s recent presentation at the Humboldt Bay Aquatic Center on sea level rise and the future of Humboldt Bay. If I understood him right, it won’t be long before both Arcata’s and Eureka’s sewage treatment systems will be underwater. Wouldn’t it be nice if, before that time, urban citizens can begin building their. own, individualized, household composting toilets? I recommend you try to catch his next presentation. It was eye-opening and a little bit scary.

ED Denson
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ED Denson
7 years ago

Good going, Chip, Rob, Jill, and Marc. The county cerainly could allow composting toilets under a pilot project if they haven’t got the nerve to simply permit them. And unfortunately I mean “permit” them because the county doesn’t seem to feel there is anything that shouldn’t require a permit. You guys keep it up, this is important and sensible. Kudos.

Sid Vicious
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Sid Vicious
7 years ago
Reply to  ED Denson

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/06/the-weedkiller-in-our-food-is-killing-us

Glyphosate

Industrial pipe cleaner
Also an antibiotic

In in increasing amounts in our groundwater.

How on earth can you not need a hazmat suit and a permit to dump Gallons of this stuff on our land.

We are just human filters for all shit in the environment….

Central HumCo
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7 years ago
Reply to  Sid Vicious

Glyphosate – in vax-a-nations too. Linked to autism along with mercury and aluminum.

David Heller
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David Heller
7 years ago
Reply to  ED Denson

“Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man. There has never been a really good one, and even those that are the most tolerable are arbitrary, cruel, grasping, and unintelligent.” — H.L. Mencken

Growzarktrail
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Growzarktrail
7 years ago

Changing the “status quo”, our elected officials across the U.S.A. are reluctant to do it.

The plumbing industry is massive, & codes are a doorway that become an access to success or failure, often squeezing out lower income members of society who just want a small place to call their own.

No cut or dry solution to composting toilets. People will either take care of their shit very well, or wallow in it which is what I think scares some people.
I would say as far as cities go, the average household of four in a house on a .20 acre lot in a neighborhood could compost their own shit well without the neighbors smelling it.
I have been a plumber for six years, it adds an incredible amount of money, labor, complexity and chances of building damage to a home that wouldn’t otherwise require it.
That would actually be so nice and simple not to have sewer to a septic or to the system!

Mud
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Mud
7 years ago

“Kalson said that part of the purpose of the revision is to bring more landowners into coming into compliance”

That’s where I stopped reading…..

When we are asked to take our shit out of the shadows and take a permitted shit to be part of the legal shit market I lose all hope, we are literally up shit creek with the overreach

msknowitall
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msknowitall
7 years ago

Composting toilets are great, and the best alternative environmentally, but they require knowledge and maintenance — a commitment! Most of us are used to flushing and walking away (or just walking away). Uncomposted/untreated sewage creates public health issues of all kinds quickly.

It’s all very well to rant against the government — that’s what it’s there for. We would not need government if everyone acted in the best interest of the community and the environment at least nearly all the time. This is not the case. If it were there wouldn’t be so many so-called libertarians needing guns. Instead of merely ranting, participate in democracy: 1) vote! If you don’t like the candidates, write in your preference — but in many ways, it’s more important to vote on propositions than on candidates, so be sure to study up the issues and vote yes or no; 2) become a government official! Throw your hat in the ring for school board, FPD, CSD, etc and/or apply for appointment to an advisory board — if you know better than those bums in office, give the public the benefit of your excellence; 3) express yourself directly to the office holders, bureaucrats, whatever, go to meetings and hearings; 4) ORGANIZE your neighborhood or interest group — more effective by far than doing #3 as an individual. When I see so many local boards with seats open for lack of candidates — qualifications are low, usually simply being registered to vote within the jurisdiction — I feel sad that SoHum seems to be a land of people who’d rather troll and trash than actually take responsibility.

longwind
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longwind
7 years ago
Reply to  msknowitall

Let’s look at what happens when citizens take action: The Code Enforcement Task Force was created by and for citizens outraged by code enforcement used as an unaccountable, easily corrupted means of coercion. Hearings were held, and a lengthy report was published with specific recommendations. Where are they now? Utterly ignored, as code enforcement is again used as a means of coercion (and fundraising). But thanks for participating in democracy!

Pooper policy was a huge issue in the 1980s, with a single meeting in Eureka drawing 1000 participants. A deal was struck, and immediately violated. Because staff feels no obligation to keep their word, they don’t, and citizens who waste years of their lives to make changes end up feeling like suckers. Moreover, while a signed contract with the state and/or county locks you in, its does not obligate the government to uphold the signed contract. The state’s terms may change from week to week–ask any permitted pot farmer–with no legal recourse. Ask Bob McKee. Your comment is uninformed. If you’d like to cure your smugness, I suggest you take your own advice, and get back to us.

longwind
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longwind
7 years ago
Reply to  longwind

ps, composting my poop isn’t your job, it’s my job. What you walk away from isn’t my concern.

stuber
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stuber
7 years ago

No no no. I will not have one of those things in my house. Our septic has lasted 27 years, and is just fine. No shit buckets in my house. How stupid.