COVID, Flu, and Winter Weather Create Perfect Storm for Local ER, Providence St. Joseph Hospital Creates New Incident Command Center

Rainy weather at Providence St. Joseph Hospital in Eureka.

Heavy rain and high winds inundated Humboldt County at the start of the new year, bringing with it an increase in hospital visits as another rise in seasonal flu and other respiratory ailments joined the party, creating a problematic set of circumstances for healthcare providers. The past two weeks have been particularly difficult for caregivers who are fielding all manner of medical emergencies, as well as a new COVID-19 Omicron variant nick-named “The Kraken,” which has contributed to an uptick in hospitalizations and emergency room visits. In response, administrators at Providence St. Joseph Hospital in Eureka established an Incident Command Center to deal with the crisis.

Locals began asking what was going on at Providence St. Joseph in Eureka after being told that their procedures needed to be rescheduled due to a strain on the hospital’s capacity. Speaking to a staff member who preferred to remain unnamed, they indicated that functions inside the hospital – particularly in high-acuity departments – are quite strained. The staff member told us, “They are halting all surgeries that lead to patients having to be admitted unless it’s an emergency situation. Outpatient procedures are still happening.” 

The Incident Command Center explained in an email to staff that the hospital faced a number of challenges, including: “Increase in patients into our emergency department that require critical care; Weather challenges that have affected transfers of higher acuity patients to regional care centers; Inability to transfer to local skilled nursing facilities due to their own constraints; Staffing challenges at St. Joseph Hospital.”

According to Providence St. Joseph’s Communications Director, Christian Hill, the Incident Command Center will remain operational until “current patient influx and staffing challenges lessen” and until such time when there is “improvement to obstacles.”

According to sources inside the hospital, staffing levels are insufficient to meet demands, and with the influx of flu-related and COVID-19 cases into the ER as well as other medical emergencies that regularly occur, staff is under even more pressure than before thanks to a perfect storm of ailments coupled with a limited ability to transfer patients to other area hospitals. Urgently needed medical interventions are, of course, still being handled by way of the Emergency Department (ER) while many other elective procedures are being rescheduled, including any “procedures that require an admission to the hospital and that are non-emergent.” 

An email circulated January 10th by Providence St. Joseph Hospital Incident Command to “all caregivers and Medical Staff in Humboldt County” outlines the changes made regarding hospital intake and prioritization of care.

An email circulated January 10th by Providence St. Joseph Hospital Incident Command to “all caregivers and Medical Staff in Humboldt County” outlines the changes made regarding hospital intake and prioritization of care.

As one nurse explained, “There are so many virus patients (COVID, flu, and RSV) that St Joes is canceling all non-emergent surgeries.”  Detailing the scene playing out on the inside of the hospital, this veteran nurse described what the current nurse to patient ratio is in various hospital departments, explaining, “There are not enough nurses for rooms the hospital has, for instance [medical-surgery level 2] can take 35 patients but has nurses for 30; [medical-surgery level 3] is the same but only has nurses for 20.” 

Summing it up, she added, “So the ER has patients waiting for days for beds to become available,” and added, “Because there are no beds available in the hospital, they wait in the ER” (depending on the level of urgent care needed) sometimes for over 36 hours, “usually 2 days” this nurse told us, before either being offered a hospital bed, or deciding to leave “Against Medical Advice”.

A graphic showing recommended “safe staffing ratios” which are routinely minimized within the Providence Hospital network, according to California Nurses Association members, and National United Healthcare Workers union members alike. 

A graphic showing recommended “safe staffing ratios” which are routinely minimized within the Providence Hospital network, according to California Nurses Association members, and National United Healthcare Workers union members alike.

As an example of how thin resources are being spread in an effort to meet the needs of St. Joseph’s high acuity patients like those having had emergency procedures, the experienced nurse added, “One year nurses are training new grads because there are not enough [experienced] nurses to train… .” 

Outside the main entrance at Providence St. Joseph Hospital, a Rouge Valley Medical Transport van is stationed, patiently waiting to depart last week.  Communications Director Christian Hill said that transfers are limited right now.  [Photo by Ryan Hutson] 

Outside the main entrance at Providence St. Joseph Hospital, a Rouge Valley Medical Transport van is stationed, patiently waiting to depart last week.  Communications Director Christian Hill said that transfers are limited right now.  [Photo by Ryan Hutson]

Communications Director Christian Hill clarified to us that the Incident Command Center is being run by “an Administrator on Duty”, and is expected to remain functional until the current stressors on the system are relieved.  St. Joseph’s new ICCprovides hospitals a platform to respond to planned or unplanned events, i.e. emergencies (earthquakes, power outages, patient surges),” according to Hill. When asked how the ICC is expected to lighten the work-load for RNs and ancillary staff, Hill replied, It “[p]rovides special focus and resource allocation strategies to mitigate staffing challenges.” 

In the current staffing crisis, which comes on top of the pre-existing under-staffing problem locally, another program is being offered to select departments and staff, according to a hospital team member who told us, “Providence recently rolled out an incentive program for EPES (Extra Pay Extra Shifts) with Nurses getting up to an extra $500 per shift on top of the overtime pay.”  They also explained that this bonus is not being offered widely. “The more we work extra, the less incentive for admin to not hire more staff,” added a nurse who says they themselves rarely work overtime–they consider the likelihood of the ‘burnout factor’ not worth the extra pay.

According to local union representatives and their members alike, chronic understaffing continues to be an issue raising daily alarms in local hospitals where there still are not enough hands to go around, even with the limited ESEP bonuses for taking on an extra shift. For many nurses and technicians who are already working extra shifts, and handling more patients than is recommended by standard RN-to-Patient ratios, a maximum $500 bonus does not make the extra time and effort  worthwhile at the expense of much-needed rest and recuperation, family time, etc. 

One Providence employee told us that, “especially with such a heavy patient load after years of being understaffed,” the bonus just wasn’t appealing considering the high acuity patient load combined with the already strained circumstances of staff running on fumes, being spread too thin during regular shifts – which is typically a 12 hour stint – requiring much more stamina than your average 9-5 gig.  This sentiment was echoed by a second interviewee, who felt that the ESEP bonus was not worth the strain.

Another staff member speculated that some staff may not choose to take the extra shifts because the payroll system change implemented in August of 2022 is still seeing problems, and, that “even if it was worth the time and money for the bonus, you don’t know if you can rely on the payment because of their system – it’s still not fixed fully.” 

The Kraken, a COVID-19 Omicron Mutant

In addition to the influx of emergency room visits due to weather or accident-related events, perhaps a car accident or a cardiac arrest, an increase in COVID-19 cases also factored into the lack of beds and staff for non-emergent needs, which are now being rescheduled to give the hospital staff some breathing room between crises.   As one staff member told us, “It seems to be a mix of low staffing and an influx of “sick” patients. We seem to be having an uptick in flu and COVID.” 

The COVID strain, XBB.1.5, dubbed “the Kraken” – a foreboding moniker for the COVID-19 mutant – is a combination between two previous Omicron strains, BA.2.75 and BA.210.1, and has quickly spread across the globe. The Kraken is currently tracked as the fastest spreading variant in California according to the California Communicable Diseases Assessment Tool. 

Grace Roberts, Research Fellow in Virology at the University of Leeds, in the city of Leeds, across the pond in the United Kingdom explains that so far, “laboratory studies, yet to be peer-reviewed, have shown that “the Kraken”  “is less sensitive to antibodies acquired from vaccination than previous variants XBB and BQ1.1. So it’s very good at evading our immune response.”

According to data collected by the state, Humboldt County is treating a total of 10 patients listed as positive for the virus, with zero ICU beds listed as available.

According to data collected by the state, Humboldt County is treating a total of 10 patients listed as positive for the virus, with zero ICU beds listed as available.

Staff at St. Joseph Hospital, and those who are tasked with caring for these COVID-19 positive patients say that although these folks may not be admitted for COVID, they are in the hospital with it, and therefore require additional resources, space, time and energy from staff because of the required precautions that come with the territory when treating a patient with (or for) an aerosol transmissible virus – per CalOSHA standards and California’s Assembly Bill AB-394 regarding health facilities and nursing staff

With calmer weather and St. Joseph’s Incident Command Center, hopefully, the ER waits will drop and residents will have better access to care. However, staffing – or lack thereof – is widely considered the underlying problem, and nurses say that hiring more full-time ancillary staff, as well as additional nurses, could be the solution. 

This article is written by Ryan Hutson, a local freelance journalist. Follow Ryan at Humboldt Freelance Reporting on Facebook, Insta and YouTube. To support Ryan’s award winning reporting, please consider donating here.

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Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
3 years ago

The item, and thanks Ryan for your coverage, once again indicates that St Joseph’s continues to be unprepared, understaffed, undersupplied, and possibly the leadership team is less than competent…

I already know that St Joseph’s has the worst HR Department in the industry, but having “new grads” trained by 1-year-experience RNs is a recipe for errors, at a time when errors are unrecoverable.

This organization needs oversight by the California Department of Public Health and St Joseph’s/Redwood Hospital should be avoided by patients and shut down by striking employees until new leadership is found.

Providence already tried to dump these hospitals onto Adventist.

Until Providence pays a competitive wage for every position, supplies On-Campus Housing for newer employees, and until Eureka cleans up it’s own act with regard to living conditions and available housing, nobody should expect the situation to improve.

Providence, as an employer, is poorly regarded among Ancillary Healthcare Professionals, and Doctors flee Humboldt at a high rate…

Any Hospital with this poor of a public perception and this reputation among employees, should be avoided by patients.

If you need a COVID vaccine, go over to CVS.

Stay out of the hospital, at all costs, and remember:

Providence exists to serve patients on Medi-Cal, Partnership and Medicare. St Joseph’s is the way it is because the population is economically disadvantaged.

It’s a “Welfare Hospital”, and it’s not for people who have insurance.

St Joseph’s: A good place to be pronounced deceased, but not too great of a place to get “cured”…

Scoot down the 101 as far as you can, since medical facilities don’t get better until you get to Santa Rosa and points South…

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
3 years ago

As disappointing as our local hospitals are, I can’t see how closing them with strikes improves Healthcare accessibility

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Permanently on Monitoring
3 years ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

Remember, Providence does not exist to care for patients, it exists to make money.

Just like COSTCO chicken, you get what you pay for…(45% fat, an overdose of salt, and some preservatives)

Million Dollar salaries for CEO’s, underpaid travel nurses freshly imported from the Philippines, through California Recruiters who sponsor and arrange for the Nurse’s H1B Visa…

Remember, if you want an aspirin, ask in Tagalog, and Providence does not want good employees, Providence wants Cheap Employees…

Used to be, the Nurse trained and worked in the same hospital for their entire career… Now, Ancillary Healthcare Professionals go where the money is, and don’t offer less than $100/hour…

old guy
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old guy
3 years ago

all hospitals exist for making money. if you want to look at the causes, start with any government funded medical care and supervision thereof.

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Permanently on Monitoring
3 years ago
Reply to  old guy

Government employees are a big part of the problem…

But so is fraud!

Medicare Fraud is a waste of resources not usually accounted for in the media…

If there was no “Government Funded Healthcare”, nobody would be able to afford Healthcare, and the whole medical-picture would look like other poor countries…

Because we pretty much have the Medical-Picture of a poor country now!

If you want a good, steady job, with benefits, first look into Government Employment, but if you want the same thing in the private sector, you will find one person doing 3 people’s job, and being worked to death on diabolical schedules than are calculated by an algorithm designed to minimise overlaps and overtime!

Benefits at Healthcare Corporations vary, but if the employees have to join a Union to get any response from management, the patients will experience dissonance, neglect and poor outcomes.

Churches have no business in Healthcare or Government, and Corporate Healthcare is no fun to work under…

humboldturtle
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humboldturtle
3 years ago

It’s every man/woman for him/her self. Does Reno have decent health care?

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
3 years ago
Reply to  humboldturtle

I used to live in Reno a few years ago and loved my healthcare there, my doc (a real MD!) was from Eastern Europe and she was fantastic! Renown was the medical corporation she worked for. They have surgical robots (there are not any surgical robots in Humboldt County afaik and I looked).

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve Koch

Adventist uses surgical robots in Sonoma

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
3 years ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

They are in Redding too but I didn’t want to drive 299 last time I had surgery since there were so many fires going on and I don’t like 299 much anyway.

Bozo
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Bozo
3 years ago

Hmmm… Why did they the hospital get rid of their ‘Urgent Care Center’ ?
That resulted in an instant overload of the $Emergency Room$.

Hint: Follow the money.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago

Is there anywhere in the world with adequate staffing in hospitals? Capitalism is blamed but the same complaint exists in nationalized health care. In fact parts of Canada are privatizing some health care in order to deal with their staffing shortages.
The NHS in the UK seems to be in crisis at this moment with complaints of understaffing. Ireland is similar. It’s hard to get articles from non English countries but those I found from Germany had the same complaint.

According to this article https://www.statnews.com/2023/01/12/more-nurses-the-smart-way-to-save-lives-money-and-nurses/California is the only state in the country with a law establishing standards for nurse-to-patient ratios. The law, implemented in 2004, set limits on the number of patients assigned to one nurse, depending on the type of unit. Since then, California nurses have cared for up to two fewer patients per shift on average, compared to nurses in states without mandated ratios. Nurses who work in settings that match California’s ratios report less burnout, lower job dissatisfaction, and higher quality care.” Yet here we are too.

Somehow these series of articles basically from nurse’s unions do not seem to address the complex issues. https://mphdegree.usc.edu/blog/staffing-shortages-in-health-care/ says “The U.S. is not the only country to suffer from a staffing shortage of health care workers. The World Health Organization predicts a shortfall of 15 million health care workers worldwide in 2030. The International Centre on Nurse Migration projects there will be a shortage of 13 million nurses alone by 2030, up from a shortage of 6 million before the pandemic.”

Aging populations, inadequate higher education commitments and a pandemic might have something to do with it. But it is likely other political goals than health care will take up government attention in the immediate future. By which time the per vintage of old people will have dropped, the crisis will naturally abate . Just in time for a government and a population that functions from crisis to crisis to move on.

No Joke
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No Joke
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Bad management. There’s always been bad management in healthcare that causes people to burn out and quit the industry. One third of EMTs quit the field during the pandemic – low pay, heavy workloads, long shifts, unsafe conditions, and disrespect from management have been bothering people for years, the pandemic brought it to a head.

HalfACenturian
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3 years ago
Reply to  No Joke

Why 12 hour shifts? Even waitresses have shorter shifts due to all that time standing and walking (not healthy type just verifies vein producing movements).

MostRespectedProfession
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MostRespectedProfession
3 years ago
Reply to  HalfACenturian

There was a time when St. Joe’s had 8 hour shifts. Most nurses, such as myself, seemed a lot happier as there was a healthier work:home balance. It’s much safer to be clear-headed with only 8 hrs. of work.There was a group of nurses who appealed for the 12 hr. shifts, thinking that if you worked 3 days (full-time) you’d have 4 days off. Well, that wasn’t so wise since the first day off was a recovery day and most nurses felt too exhausted to do anything.It would be wise to go back to the 8 hr. model, especially in a job that requires critical thinking. It wasn’t an administrative decision at the time; the nurses were the ones who came up with that idea unfortunately,

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Permanently on Monitoring
3 years ago

The best schedule is probably 4 – 10’s, but if you work 3 – 12’s at one hospital, you can work 3-12’s at another…

I wasn’t licensed 2 weeks before I was called by another facility wanting me to work Friday Night through Monday morning… This was in 1978.

As recently as 2017, I was working at Kimaw 5 – 8’s, and Trinity Hospital called, wanting weekend coverage…

The shortage was caused by lowball admin and by Managers who are given bonuses for “running lean” and not replacing staff who have left…

“Travelers” should be banned, as they have helped to destroy healthcare while the big “Agencies” bill in the Billions for services.

The “Travel Companies” charge $150/hr but the “Traveler” gets maybe a third…

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Permanently on Monitoring
3 years ago
Reply to  No Joke

Yes, I “burned out” at the age of 66 after only 41 years in Healthcare…

HalfACenturian
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3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Western unchecked unbalanced capitalistic hyper consumptive values have been emulated around the globe for a long time. We acted like the resources were endless….. whoops. Also as bad as the other countries are, such as Canada, they still are better than our health “care”. Our Priorities; butt implants, excess consumerism of rapidly disposed of materials, bazillionares vs health care, including mental health, the foster system, transportation, ecological health, quality food etc. meanwhile billuons drool over Elon musk, and influencers on social media who do little if anything truly productive and the list goes on.

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
3 years ago
Reply to  HalfACenturian

There are doctors that do hundreds of government “assisted suicides” each year in Canada, wouldn’t call that health “care” either

D'Tucker Jebs
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D'Tucker Jebs
3 years ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

It is, though. I had to call a vet to help my dog transition into the next stage when her life became unbearable. It doen’t mean I didn’t care for her. Quite the opposite, really. I can only hope to receive such compassion when I reach a similar stage of my life.

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

“Somehow these series of articles basically from nurse’s unions do not seem to address the complex issues.”

You are the master of understatement.

Kym Kemp
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3 years ago
Reply to  Steve Koch

We would love to get more complex answers from Providence. Oddly, corporations aren’t excited about us combing over their reasons for doing things.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Health care is not just a war beween management and union. The answers to at least some questions are available outside those parties however much as this reporter focusses on them. But if it is going to be reduced to that, then specifics about what is worse about Providence’s employment practises than others needs up to be detailed. If they are not worse, then the systemic issue in health care need to be detailed which has little to do with Providence. It is possible for a reporter to just show up at the hospital and observe without just repeating what either the Union or management wants to publish.

As I mentioned, California has a staffing law already. Why is it not working well enough? Everyone these days is complaining about being underpaid. Are nurses in our area seriously paid that much less considering the various cost of living discrepancies in California? If so, why? Do Mad River nurses have the same complaints? If not, why? If so, again why is Providence singled out? I personally had an unfortunate need for hospital care just before the pandemic hit and my experiences were not reflective of these stories except that travelling physicians and nurses seem to make up a large part of my contacts. Why were they so prominent if they are paid more than locals? Is it that so few locals want or are able to do the work? Or is it that hospitals are a boom or bust industry and the hospital management prefers not to pay permanent employees for the slow times?

Someone mentioned in comments about missed lunches and breaks for example. And patient violence seems related to the general uptick in violence with mental illness and drug abuse that is correspondingly rampant in our area. Few in our community tried to do anything about nurses’ training when the old HSU decided it was too expensive to offer and shut the program down nor has there been much information about CalPoly Humboldt reinstatement. Is it working? A million unanswered questions and a start diet of the Union versus Management is not an answer to any of them.

donna
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donna
3 years ago

what this poor rural county needs are more scholarships for our bright young folks to train for these jobs that we desperately need!

Cheri
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Cheri
3 years ago
Reply to  donna

Humboldt State University had a great nursing school. Gone. I graduated in nursing from College of the Redwoods-good program. The nursing vocation has been in trouble for years and years- no surprise there. Traveling nursing seems the way to go. The “home nurses” don’t get paid as much and are in a bind when the travelers go. All the nurses and adjunct staff are terrific and deserve better staffing conditions. So very not fair and acceptable for the patients and their families. This is the state of very sad healthcare. People don’t want to be nurses so much anymore and it’s a downward cycle no scholarship can fix.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Cheri

We can train an over abundance of lawyers and have many designer degrees of little practical use. And government subsidizes so much of it. Is the government not capable of redirecting public money to public needs? As opposed to wants?

No Joke
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No Joke
3 years ago
Reply to  donna

And a larger local training program for nurses and other healthcare staff. The nursing program at CR has a years long waiting list – people can leave the county to go to nursing school sooner and never come back.

Cheri
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Cheri
3 years ago
Reply to  No Joke

Nurses never come back because of terrible and dangerous treatment by the public, ridiculous hours, terrible wages for the work and serious burnout. Bonus pay ($500- ha ha) and the like is an insult. It’s such an honorable profession- think we’re going to miss it in the not too distant future? Bet hospital management does- know the public already get it. Don’t blame the nurses and everyone who work so hard at every hospital. Boom!

HalfACenturian
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3 years ago
Reply to  Cheri

Our social values are such that people aspire to be billionaires, celebrities or business owners rather than feel good caring for others and to get good pay in health care people have to go to school longer which many poor in US could not/can not afford. Government doesn’t help much and let’s private lenders prey on students.

Cheri
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Cheri
3 years ago
Reply to  HalfACenturian

I went I into student debt, as a single parent, to become a nurse. I paid it off, too.

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
3 years ago
Reply to  Cheri

“Terrible and dangerous treatment by the public”.

Could you give some local examples so we know what you’re talking about.

“think we’re going to miss it (nursing) in the not too distant future?”

What do you think of these foreign nurses they are importing to replace local nurse? The foreign nurses are pretty good, right?

Cheri
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Cheri
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve Koch

In very stressful situations, such as what is be described here with waiting for much needed medical help, patients and their families can take their frustrations out on staff with verbal and physical violence. Look it up: working in the hospital is dangerous in this way and is common knowledge including locally. Not to mention patients wacked out on drugs and alcohol. I have worked lots with nurses trained in other countries: they are very good. It’s their choice where they want to use their skills.

Cheri
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Cheri
3 years ago
Reply to  Cheri

I know nurses who were hurt so badly by violent patients that it ended their careers and they are now permanently debilitated. Tough, tough profession that is slipping away. Big changes ahead- advocate for us!

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Cheri

But advocate for what? Better pay? Less hours? Guards in every hospital ward? Think of how much media attention goes to the people who cause problems versus the one who deal with those problems. And who has a bigger sense of their own entitlement to that attention? Most humans want respect but seemingly the ones who earn it least get the most attention. Because they are- Ta da- problems.

Cheri
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Cheri
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

There’s an old expression that goes like this- “Nursing eats it’s young”. Nursing school teaches alot but the education really begins on the job. Requires dedicated orientations, extended educational opportunities, supervised experience and a reasonable schedule. Throwing new grads to the wolves because of insufficient staffing is terrible on many levels, patient safety and premature burn out being two. When I read this article about the newbies training the newbies fresh from nursing school that expression came to mind. $500 bonus? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha- how do you want to serve these nurses Providence?

R. Hutson
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R. Hutson
3 years ago
Reply to  Cheri

Cheri- I wanted to say thank you for offering your input here. Interesting saying, and makes sense from what I understand.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago

Hmmm …

” “Because there are no beds available in the hospital, they wait in the ER” (depending on the level of urgent care needed) sometimes for over 36 hours, “usually 2 days” this nurse told us, before either being offered a hospital bed, or deciding to leave “Against Medical Advice”.”

How long are some patients waiting in line at the ER Lobby before being admitted to the ER?

Day after day…???

At what point does this become actionable negligence?

At what point does this cross the line…???

What else are the patients waiting too long for…???

Everything else, too…???

What oversight group regulates this stuff…???

Does it just become acceptable because it is so common…???

And then we have…

” “One year nurses are training new grads because there are not enough [experienced] nurses to train… [the new grads]… ”

So… The rookies are training the greenhorns…???

Hmmm…

What could go wrong…???

Hopefully none of them are teaching or learning that any of this is normal or acceptable in any way, or that this is how things should be done…!!!

I think that St Joe’s, or any hospital for that matter, should never be allowed to just replace an unreasonably large portion of their staff with newly graduated, inexperienced students, and lay off a corresponding number of higher paid, more experienced, competent staff, just to pay the lowest wage possible, and simply in order to unethically increase profits at the expense of proper patient care…

And don’t blame this substandard level of care at St Joe’s on COVID, because this has been going on there since way before COVID, (unless COVID was here almost a year before December of 2019), because I can vouch for these same kind of delays happening there since at least back then…

This can’t possibly be beneficial to the patients, in fact, this must be seriously compromising the patients’ treatments and most importantly, their ultimate outcomes and mortality rates.

BEFORE a patient goes through the door at a hospital being run like this, most certainly their prognosis has already become decidedly more grim, in a similar way as it was back in the fourth week of August of 2021, when these kinds of reports were also being brought to our attention…

What a nightmare, and that does not even begin to specifically address what kind of unacceptable delays and other indignities that may happen AFTER they are “fortunate enough” to even ever eventually be admitted…

I wouldn’t bet for even one second that it couldn’t possibly be…

… “Something Special”…

Soul Rebel
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Soul Rebel
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

The answer is clear.

Don’t Ignore your health.

It could cost you your life.

Prevention is the key.

Avoid the hospital at all costs.

Create a game plan that serves that purpose.

Health and wellness is no one’s responsibility but our own

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago

Hmmm…

Speaking of…

“The Fourth Week in August”…

This “MONSTER” got caught…

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/legal-regulatory-issues/kentucky-nurse-charged-with-murder-in-death-of-patient.html

‘Kentucky nurse charged with murder in death of patient’

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spamned
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spamned
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Nevermind what our government and corporations do to us…

lets get angry about one nurse~

“look, over there, a squirrel!”

grey fox
Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

This is more crap from you about dangerous nurses. You tried to imply St. Joe nurses were killing patients, and got called out for it. This is fucking shameful.
Do you have a fucking clue as to the harm this kind of BS can cause?

What the fuck does this have to do with the situation at St. Joe’s?

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grey fox
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3 years ago
Reply to  grey fox

WTF
You should be praising these nurses not throwing shade at them

spamned
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spamned
3 years ago

I knew it was dangerous; my pickleball pals are now home sick with Covid. I look around at all the people I know who now are dealing with rapid growing cancers, heart issues, sudden diabetes cases, high blood pressure etc etc in those who did not take precautions against Covid. They may be vaxxed, but we all know that does not prevent infection and spread. Covid wrecks your immune system–they’re calling it “airborne aids”
Recall it’s also been called a ‘novel’ virus–cuz they DON’T KNOW ALL THE IMPLICATIONS-and yet everybody, including the CDC is blowing it off, recommending vaxx vaxx vaxx only strategies that ARE NOT WORKING.

What ever happened to the precautionary principle? (for that matter, what ever happened to anti-war ‘liberals’??)

It ain’t the flu…let ‘er rip is eugenics plain and simple. Even mild cases wind up with organ/brain damage. What’s scary is what is happening to our kids, every Covid case will take years off their lives…while normalizing death and disability for adult populations (workers shortages, anyone?)…even my (again) ‘liberal’ neighbors won’t wear a mask, keep their distances, think that because they’re vaxxed they’re ‘bullet proof’.

My pickleball pals all got it from somebody who was aymptomatic…the stupid rapid tests we’ve been given don’t go positive until you’re well into your infections -hearing 5th day) leaving it to those Typhoid Marys to spread it around ‘cuz the test was negative…’

A month from now, 2…or a year…these folks will be impacted by their ‘mild’ infections–even the young and healthy…

Wear a mask if not for others, then for yourself…(n95, not baggy blues)

Covid is airborne.

Al L Ivesmtr
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Al L Ivesmtr
3 years ago
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The ant war liberals went extinct the minute their guy got in office. Now, they are willing to jump in a tank and run over any Russian or perceived Russian they encounter. They think they are big and tough now and are gonna get those commies or perceived commies. Mini Rambos in their feeble minds. Their frauds, always have been. They should do some research on Russia, because the Russians, similar to the Japanese, never quit to the last man standing, a nearly impossible foe to beat when you are not willing to sacrifice in the same way.
As for the masks, for the trillionth time, they DON’T WORK, not even the N95. Is the Wuhan Flu airborne? Are cold virus airborne? The virus are not floating around per se, but are expelled airborne when a person coughs or sneezes and you are within close range of them or if you are packed into a bar like sardines. The mRNA gene therapy shot, which is not a vaccine, is being pushed as one as if it cures or prevents the wuhan. It doesn’t! Hey liberals, ever ask yourself why a gene therapy shot is being used against a weaponized cold virus? I didn’t think so….but keep going with the shot is the solution while top athletes all over the world keep keeling over mid play and dying.
The writing is on the wall flashing in neon colors, big and bright to see for all whose minds are free. For those who took the gene therapy shot, you potentially just opted for checking out of society via Natural Selection. Very sad indeed, the herd mentality strikes again. I feel bad for the old people who seemingly had little choice and mad at the supposed wise leaders who pushed kids to get a shot they never needed. It’s gross and should not be blown off as we tried or we are sorry. No, it’s time for Nuremberg #2 and those responsible need to pay with license forfeiture, fines, and imprisonment for harm to society.
I will leave you with two tidbits of information currently available. 1. The continent of Africa, with wuhan shot rates the lowest in the world but with the highest rates of taking Ivermectin, has essentially been wuhan flu free during the entire pandemic. Hmm, guess the horse dewormer anti viral does work, doesn’t it. Ever wonder why there is a news blackout concerning Africa and the wuhan. Gee, I wonder why that is? . 2. The country of Japan just declared the wuhan flu nothing more than a common flu and is installing protocols to treat it as such, and no more. I go with the Japanese, they are critical thinkers and are a very intelligent society as well as the Africans who know Ivermectin has allowed them to live longer, fruitful lives free of the many viral diseases which plague their continent.
Shame on all the political hacks posing as scientists who inadvertently acted as non paid salesman for Pfizer, while patting themselves on the back for being pushy pricks. Stupidity has reached radioactive levels and is going terminal. I suggest signing up for the next spaceship to Mars, it might be your only hope, off world colonies free from nefarious actors with elite agendas and their sycophant followers who think they are actually going to get a seat at the table. And I have a bridge to sell you too!

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oofta
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oofta
3 years ago
Reply to  Al L Ivesmtr

Interesting that you believe all that.

humboldturtle
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humboldturtle
3 years ago
Reply to  spamned

What ever happened to anti-war ‘liberals? Barbara Lee is running for Senate.

No Joke
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No Joke
3 years ago
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*and* they’re about to close the PCR testing sites so people will *only* have the rapid tests to take.

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3 years ago

Patients at St Joe’s have been previously described as “Unvaccinated Monsters” by a quoted employee there in the fourth week of August, 2021…

But, this is what a “Real Monster” looks like…

She was arrested for murder during the fourth week of August, 2022…

(It definitely happens, gf…)

??(A traveling nurse, BTW…)?‍♂️

https://nurse.org/articles/nurse-charged-murder/#:~:text=A%20Lexington%2C%20Kentucky%20nurse%20was,allegedly%20committing%20intentional%20medical%20maltreatment.

“According to the investigation, Hunter administered Lorazepam, a commonly used drug to treat anxiety, to Morris during her shift. Morris had been admitted to the hospital after a fall injury at home and was noted to be aggressive and agitated during the hospitalization.
Records show that Hunter requested the medication for the patient earlier in the shift but the request had been denied.”

“Hunter withdrew the medication under another patient’s medication profile and administered a dose to Morris. WKYT reported that, “Another hospital employee saw what happened and asked what Hunter had given Morris, to which she replied, “something special.” They put Morris back in bed and he became sedated. The other employee again asked what Hunter had given Morris and she again replied, “something special.” ”

“Shortly after the medication was administered Morris’ breathing became shallow and labored and the oxygen saturation monitoring has been disarmed. Morris developed pneumonia, was released to hospice care on May 3rd and then passed away on May 5th. The official cause of death was aspirational pneumonia.”

“Currently, Hunter is being held in jail on $100,000 bond.”

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3 years ago

Pre pandemic the number of nurses graduating had already flattened.

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3 years ago
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Not only had it flattened also those successfully passed actually dipped sizably. Hmm… Graduating less capable students?

grey fox
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3 years ago
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A funny scenario..You go to hospital for a checkup.

You enter the room, are placed in a bed. A few minutes later several nurses enter the room. They are all carrying syringes. The first one says “we have been waiting for you”..

Not sure what your problem is with nurses, but it’s quite troubling.

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3 years ago
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Wrong guest. You’re arguing what you think of the person and not what was said.

Not Blind
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Not Blind
3 years ago
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? Got em.

Smoky OG again
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Smoky OG again
3 years ago

Please remember that acess to modern medical health care isnt a right or a privlege
It’s a souless heartless deadly for profit business run by MBA’s and conducted in hospitals which are really only capitalisms temples dedicated to the diseases that capitalism has invented.
So yeah, living here in good ole District 12 so far from the Capitol we are On Our Own.

No Joke
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No Joke
3 years ago
Reply to  Smoky OG again

Don’t be ridiculous, we’re District 7, bordering District 4!

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3 years ago

‘ “It’s not safe”: Traveling nurse criticizes St. Joseph leadership’

https://www.times-standard.com/2022/01/21/its-not-safe-traveling-nurse-criticizes-st-joseph-leadership

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3 years ago

Is this what happens when nurses are overwhelmed…

And is this what happens when hospitals are desperate to hire affordable, “available” nurses…

This nurse was hired at another hospital after she was responsible for murdering a patient, and terminated…

She continued to work as a nurse elsewhere, for almost 4 months, AFTER she was initially terminated…

What happened to background checks…???

https://www.wkyt.com/2022/08/24/nurse-accused-killing-patient-continued-working-another-lexington-hospital-until-arrest/

She was a traveling nurse, employed by Health Carousel Travel Network…

(Sounds like a not so awesome,”medical merry-go-round”…)

grey fox
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3 years ago
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This is fucking shameful of you to be pushing these isolated incidents to back your claim St. Joe nurses were murdering patients.

Especially now when these dedicated hard working nurses are overwhelmed.

I sure hope some nut case doesn’t go after a nurse..
This is just sad..Trying to prove a point by digging up these incidents.

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3 years ago

Rule #2) “Insulting other commenters will get you deleted. Do it too often and you will get banned.”

grey fox
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3 years ago
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I really don’t give a fuck.. This is shameful of you,,
And if speaking the truth is an insult so be it..

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D'Tucker Jebs
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3 years ago
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I see the replies more as condemnation of your repugnant and off-topic comments and less as a condemnation of you as a person.

grey fox
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3 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Thank you..

Just a Guy
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3 years ago
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It’s your shameful, side tracking, and unhelpful focus on one incident when the article is about something else entirely. I have 2 close family members who are nurses at St. Joes and they have described the burnout, and the desire to transition to a department that will prevent that. I’m so glad I got rid of guest as a moniker, the ones left using it are right there with Squirrel and gang, unable to stay out of conversations pertaining to the original article without sidetracking to their ‘research’ from the internet. Real research requires looking at all sources that prove and disprove a hypothesis. Only looking for articles from highly questionable sources to confirm your bias, is NOT RESEARCH, or proof you are right.

grey fox
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3 years ago
Reply to  Just a Guy

Spot on..
I would like to see an apology from him to the hardworking dedicated nurses at St Joe’s and elsewhere.

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‘Nurses’ Mistakes Cause Thousands of Deaths’

https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95810&page=1

“C H I C A G O, Sept. 10, 2000 — Poorly trained or overwhelmed nurses areresponsible for thousands of deaths and injuries each year in thenation’s hospitals, according to a Chicago Tribune investigation.”

“Since 1995, at least 1,720 hospital patients have beenaccidentally killed and 9,548 others injured from mistakes made byregistered nurses across the country, the Tribune’s analysis of 3million state and federal computer records shows.”

‘Nursing Staffs Hurt by Cutbacks’

“The Tribune’s investigation found cases where patients weregiven overdoses of medication or vital care was delayed, sometimesfor hours. It also found hospitals increasingly use part-timenurses from temporary agencies, who lack patient familiarity andtraining within specialties.”

“Nursing staffs have been the first target for cutbacks athospitals where profits have been squeezed by managed care programsand falling federal Medicaid reimbursements, said Rick Wade, seniorvice president for communications at the American HospitalAssociation.”

“The Tribune found that, since 1995, at least 119 patients havebeen killed and 564 others injured by unlicensed, unregulatednurses aides.”

‘Dangerous Staffing’

“One of the first lawsuits that targets corporate-level staffingdecisions rather than individual negligence is the case of61-year-old Shirley Keck, whose pleas for help went unnoticed untilit was too late.”

“In February 1998, Keck was one of 41 critically ill patients onher floor at Wesley Medical Center in Wichita, Kan. When shestarted having trouble breathing, her daughter, 29-year-old BeckyHartman, ran to the nurses station several times for help, but noone was there.”

” “There was nobody around,” Hartman said. “I was raising my voice and getting angry. I was so frustrated.” ”

“Her lawsuit alleged that lack of monitoring by nurses — causedby short staffing — led directly to the permanent brain damage Kecksuffered.”

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grey fox
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3 years ago
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Once again what does this have to do with the St Joes article?

You are just presenting some article with no proof of whats being claimed.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK225187/

‘Errors in Health Care: A Leading Cause of Death and Injury’

“Health care is not as safe as it should be. A substantial body of evidence points to medical errors as a leading cause of death and injury.”

“Sizable numbers of Americans are harmed as a result of medical errors.”

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Cont…

“The proportion of adverse events attributable to errors (i.e., preventable adverse events) was 58 percent and the proportion of adverse events due to negligence was 27.6 percent. Although most of these adverse events gave rise to disability lasting less than six months, 13.6 percent resulted in death and 2.6 percent caused permanently disabling injuries.”

Thatguyinarcata
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3 years ago
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Shhhh we’re not supposed to talk about the very real harm our total neglect of our most basic medical infrastructure has caused.

We’re supposed to mindlessly celebrate our “front line heroes” while we continue to ignore the systemic problems that undermine their best efforts and foster their worst.

It’s kind of like the military. “Support our troops”, by finding more places for them to fight and die

grey fox
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3 years ago

Not the point. The point being injecting articles about murdering nurses into a health care issue at St. Joes for no reason but to justify an earlier unproven claim.

Thatguyinarcata
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3 years ago
Reply to  grey fox

When a system is desperate for nurses and disrespects/neglects/mistreats the ones it has, the possibility of harm caused by neglect as well as that caused by malintending people goes up.

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
3 years ago
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Theoretically true?. I admire your patience.

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joej
3 years ago

This articles insistence that COVID is largely to blame for the capacity issue is questionable and at odds with the data.

The letter from the Saint Joseph’s Incident Command Center doesn’t even mention viral illness as a problem. The county’s data shows that only 10 patients in the entire county are hospitalized with COVID.
It seems that the issue is Saint Jospehs staffing of RN’s, placement issues related to skilled nursing facility availability and limitations on transfers out of the county due to weather. The lack of ICU beds would more accurately be described as a lack of staffed ICU beds. The ICU isn’t full of patients, it is empty of nurses.
The issue is that they are struggling to discharge patients who no longer need to be there which takes their already limited nursing staff away from other patients. ICU patients require 1:2 nursing while lower acuity patients require 1:5. Because of this, when staffing is limited, even one ICU patient becomes a major staffing problem. This is not a COVID issue, it’s a staffing and placement issue.

Steve Koch
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3 years ago
Reply to  joej

Outstanding response. They are trying to organize and mobilize a regional systemic response that transcends St. Joe.

St. Joe has to put out frequent press releases describing what and why they are doing so we have an accurate understanding of their plan/actions.

KymDoesn'tLikeMe
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KymDoesn'tLikeMe
3 years ago

More Bullshit!!!! Who would of thought the seasonal flu could be so profitable? Lap it up sheep. Baaaaaa baaaaaa

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
3 years ago

Seems we’d be better off of Adventist took over a couple years back when they offered. What derailed that anyway?

Old School
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3 years ago
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Religion

Giant Squirrel
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3 years ago
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We sacrificed superior Healthcare because Adventist would refer to Planned Parenthood abortionists?

mark
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mark
3 years ago

Same problems up north. OHA fired over 20% of the veteran staff..over non mRNA participation. Nursing costs went up 4 fold… entire service departments were decimated. The surgeons and many of the primary care physicians quit the general corporate hospital service system…. to go private and get away from the government marxism in health care.

There is a slug of new one year troop coming on line…undoubtedly good medical soldiers…but that doesn’t replace some surgeon who was seeing 50+ cases a day…some 30 year old ICU nurse who has seen hell…and back…. and saved many a life along that trail.

The problem in Oregon is Salem. They are nothing more than administrative murderers…. they will not listen to the people that provide the care. They will not listen to the patients, they will not listen to the nursing unions..they will not listen to primary care physicians.

They are the enemy of the people…the servants of Satan himself.

Ariolimax
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Ariolimax
3 years ago

Great article. Providence has obvious management problems, but I’ve had great experiences with my doctor, RNs, and staff at Providence. In particular, the highly trained physician assistant I see for dermatology is absolutely better than any MD I’ve been to. I admit, I haven’t had a reason to be in the hospital, though I assume I’d head out of town for serious elective treatment.

Getting critical young talent to hang around means creating job opportunity for their spouses by embracing economic growth, not ransacking the environment growth, but growth none the less, including middle class housing. Embrace the CalPoly expansion, the windmill farms, Nordic Aquafarms, the port expansion, not blindly, but not with endless nitpicking obstructionism.

Also, refuse your vaccinations, don’t complain about the staffing shortages.

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Steve Koch
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3 years ago
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“I’d head out of town for serious elective treatment.”

Yep. For me, the main use of St. Joe is for emergency treatment and I am so glad they are here.

Chuck
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3 years ago

Providence took over St.Joseph in 2016. The first few years afterwards they didn’t make a lot of changes, but it become very apparent starting around 2019 that Providence is only focused on profits. Providence has made a long series of management decisions severely reducing services and focused solely on the bottom line, not on patient or employee satisfaction. Talk to anyone who has been employed there since before the ownership transition and you will hear nothing but lack of respect for employees and poor work conditions. Religion has nothing much to do with management decisions anymore. Most of the Catholic sisters that used to make the choices are long gone. The sooner Providence is gone from the local healthcare scene the better.

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3 years ago
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What happened in 2018- “The U.S. health care system’s rapid evolution is compelling providers across the nation to quickly transform their operating model, from one that is hospital-centric and driven by fee-for-service payment to one that is value-based and puts greater emphasis on outpatient services, wellness promotion and disease prevention. Leading providers are at work now to build new streams of revenue to help pay for it all.”
https://www.chausa.org/publications/catholic-health-world/archives/issues/june-15-2018/providence-st.-joseph-accelerates-move-toward-more-diverse-operations

Part of that was acquiring lots of outpatient services which they certainly did in our area. And why did this happen? “This legislation, the Affordable Care Act, which incorporated a number of initiatives promoting more value-based care, recognized that the traditional FFS model is inherently inefficient because providers are paid every time they provide a service, so the incentive is to provide more services.”
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/insight-the-healthcare-industrys-shift-from-fee-for-service-to-value-based-reimbursement

Right. Obamacare. Remember all the talk about “better results?” This was what drive change. The tail that wags the dog. I wonder if the better results have happened. The negatives are clear. The positives are somewhat clear in that equity in care has improved. But the bottom line on whether ACA actually improved health is unknown. Progressives say yes but only talk about equity to show it. Conservatives say no and have only finances to show. Health care is neither of those things. Equity is of no value if it is equity in failure. Financial advantage is of little value if it only buys failure. As Pelosi infamously said, you get to know what’s in the bill after it’s passed. Apparently not even then. But I do know I miss my personal self employed doctor. It was a 50/50 chance whether they would save me or kill me. Now it is still a crap shoot but it involves handful of ever changing group professionals who only know my chart and with whom I have no personal relationship.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/insight-the-healthcare-industrys-shift-from-fee-for-service-to-value-based-reimbursement

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Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
3 years ago
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“puts greater emphasis on outpatient services, wellness promotion and disease prevention.”

Sounds like a good idea.

willow creeker
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3 years ago

My European friends never complain about health care. It’s free, people generally trust their doctors and their advice, and it’s just not a big deal like it is here. I know a guy who got free knee surgery in New Zealand as a tourist.
We need to look to systems that work, and emulate them. What we have is not working.

bearjoo
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bearjoo
3 years ago
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yes but now they are dropping like flies... UK mortality up 30% this week vs last year the same week.

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