Anti-Mandate Rally Protesters Displayed “Un-Vaccinated” Star of David Pins During Controversial Protest on Sunday

 Video from Sunday’s protest shows a bicyclist yelling obscenities’ to the assembled protestors.  [Crop of livestream by Ryan Hutson]

The divide between pro-vaccine and anti-vaccine community members in Humboldt County rose to a new level this last Sunday, when people opposing COVID-19 vaccine mandates converged under the banner of “Medical Freedom” outside St. Joseph Hospital claiming to support caregivers who also oppose vaccinate mandates.  This protest came as the hospital’s ICU was full and struggling to accept a wave of unvaccinated COVID-19 positive community members over the weekend.  While voicing concerns about bodily autonomy and freedom of personal choice, a controversial, yellow Star of David button with the word “Unvaccinated” written on it was distributed to many of those in attendance.

 Distributed by one attendee, many rally-goers chose to wear the controversial pin as a “marker” of their “freedom to be unvaccianted”. 

Distributed by one attendee, many rally-goers chose to wear the controversial pin.

This provocative addition to the rally was offset by attendees who espoused principles of holistic health and natural immunity in favor of vaccination against the virus.  The use of the Star of David for protests against COVID-19 policies has become an issue, according to the Anti-Deffamation League, which stated that “[T]he utilization of this type of Holocaust imagery… is not only an act of moral outrage, but also represents an attempt to downplay the enormity of the Holocaust.” 

The Jewish Star of David, with its bright gold six five-pointed silhouette was a symbol used in Germany by Nazis to physically mark and identify people of Jewish heritage, eventually leading to the genocide of 6 million people.  The symbol is widely seen as a reminder of the racism, suffering, death and sacrifice endured in the Holocaust by Jewish families. Now, the symbol has surfaced in the anti-mandate movement as a “marker” of self-identified “undesirables” at the rally on Sunday, August 22 in Eureka.   

The Associated Press addressed the developing trend in anti-vaccine antisemitism, writing, “Historian and former Nazi hunter Serge Klarsfeld also took aim at the analogy, stressing Monday that “[T]he yellow star was a symbol of death that excluded Jews from society and marked them for extermination, while vaccines, on the other hand, save lives.” To equate the two, he told The Associated Press, is an “odious” comparison that serves to trivialize the yellow star.” 

On Sunday, the rallying cry “stop the mandate” echoed from all corners of the driveway around the entrance to St. Joseph Hospital’s Emergency Department, as a number of anti-mandate community members came out with handcrafted signage to demonstrate. Similar rallies have taken place all over California and possibly beyond, using a platform of Instagram to spread the word among potential attendees.

The Instagram account which invited the public to the rally exclaimed , “American Healthcare Workers for Medical Freedom Movement of the people, by the people, for the people.  We support your right to choose.”  It is unclear if the Star of David has been distributed at similar rallies organized by the decentralized group.  

The man in the suit coat did not wish to be identified by name as he distributed the buttons in question.  The button he wears on the lapel of his coat reads “STOP MAKING 1984 HAPPEN”.  [Photo By Ryan Hutson]

The man in the suit coat did not wish to be identified by name as he distributed the buttons in question.  The button he wears on the lapel of his coat reads “STOP MAKING 1984 HAPPEN”.  [Photo By Ryan Hutson]

As rally goers arrived with hand-painted signs, various forms of anti-vaccine paraphernalia and American flags, the occasional vocal opponent of vaccine mandates would take to a microphone and address the crowd of roughly 50 people with the help of an amplifier.  While the rally was advertised as supporting healthcare workers in their “right to choose,” and was orchestrated in front of the entrance to St. Joseph Hospital’s Emergency Department entrance, there were no employees of Providence St. Joseph Health in attendance, according to a staff member. 

The staff member who spoke to us, a medical professional, told us that some of the hospital workers are fed up with what one called “willful blind ignorance.” They told us,  “I personally wish people making the choice to be unvaccinated could also make the choice to be a ‘do not resuscitate’ or ‘do not intubate’ when they call 911. Do not waste resources.”  

Without masking the frustration of the moment, the staff member added, “Why take experimental drugs that have not been FDA approved to try and save your dumb ass life, when you can’t [accept] a vaccine that’s been proven time and time again, with all new information, that it reduces hospitalizations, it reduces the intensity of your illness, and it helps reduce transmission and spread of this virus.”  

The Instagram account added another 1000 followers since Sunday afternoon. 

The Instagram account added another 1000 followers since Sunday afternoon.

We took interviews as attendees lined the street on both sides during a Facebook livestream, coming across an array of viewpoints and anti-vaccine stances all opposing the statewide mandate by the Governor to require all healthcare staff to be vaccinated or submit to regular screening before going to work.  Some wore costumes, some brought their children, some spoke about freedom of choice, while others referenced fascism and Nazi Germany.  There was an amplified microphone for anybody who wanted to address the crowd. 

One man who took the mic as he held a young child explained that his wife was a nurse, and that as a family they had been opposed to the vaccine, and were facing a dilemma now that healthcare workers are required to be vaccinated.  

Several people discussed having the right to decide their own medical treatments, rather than those choices being dictated by an employer.  Several protesters indicated that they did not trust the FDA or the CDC, but were paying attention “to the science”.  Several people expressed confidence in Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin as therapies, if they were to become infected with SARS-CoV2. 

Meanwhile, the emergency room was overflowing with COVID-19 positive cases, each needing attention they were uncertain to access due to the sheer volume of the incoming patients that day.  One employee from inside the hospital told us they walked through the demonstrators to see if any of their co-workers were there, and told us they didn’t find any.  This person added, “It’s just extremely concerning to see this many people out here protesting at a hospital that has an incapacitated ICU full of Covid patients.”  

The vaccination progress shown on the Humboldt County Dashboard is broken down by age in the above chart, showing that less than half of 20 year olds are fully vaccinated in the county, while nearly 80% of 75 and older are. 

The vaccination progress shown on the Humboldt County Dashboard is broken down by age in the above chart, showing that less than half of 20 year olds are fully vaccinated in the county, while nearly 80% of 75 and older are.

As our reporter stood outside filming the rally, messages (off the record) from hospital staff inside began to pop up as they watched the rally take place from their patient assignments.  Nurses dealing with dying, unvaccinated, and misinformed COVID-19 patients, messaging a reporter with grave concerns and emotional pleas in real time, reflected a high level of frustration from staff.  We are told from a source in the ICU that people suffering from COVID infections are “begging for the vaccine at the hospital” when they arrive – but it is too late to be administered once a person is symptomatic. 

A healthcare worker who observed the protest in person expressed outright anger. They explained, “This is just a giant disrespect to healthcare workers, because they don’t have perspective and they’re using their privilege, living in their own bubble and broadcasting it to the masses, when  in reality, if they were to step foot into the ICU and see how many people are face down ass up, prone fighting for their life on a ventilator- they might have a little more perspective.  They might think about getting a vaccination. It’s not going to alter your DNA, it’s not going to impair your fertility. Do you know what’s going to impair your fertility?  COVID.”

 This employee pointed out that there were no familiar faces there in the crowd, and that the disparity of understanding between those holding anti-vaccine signs on the street and those inside the ER holding breathing devices for dying COVID patients is really hard to summarize without expressing anger. They told us, “…and so if someone were to have a heart attack or some other major illness or trauma, the people who need those beds won’t be able to get those beds because of anti-vaxxers and unvaccinated people. So it’s extremely concerning to see these people out here. It’s just sort of a slap in the face and disrespect to healthcare workers.” 

The staff member also wanted to remind the public at this time, due to the severity of the surge of unvaccinated severely sick COVID-19 patients, that “people drive carefully and remember to take their medications. No one can afford an accident right now.” 

Screengrab from the IGF account shows the Humboldt County Flier with 314 likes.  The Fliers look identical other than the time date and location, and focus city.

Screengrab from the IGF account shows the Humboldt County Flier with 314 likes.  The fliers look identical other than the time, date and location, and focus city.

Stop the Mandates Rallies have so far taken place in Bakersfield, Riverside, Irvine, Riverside again, Murrieta, Redding, Torrance, Ontario, Redlands, Fontana, Loma Linda, Orange, Chico, Irvine, San Diego since the first week of August.  Rallies that are scheduled yet to take place occur in are scheduled for Moreno Valley, Irvine, Temecula and presumably more to be scheduled. 

The Instagram account invites viewers to click a post for “How to lead a rally” for those who are interested in organizing. The owner of the Instagram account appears to be anonymous, only posting pictures of individual city flyers promoting the rallies, and photos uploaded from those various cities using the hashtag associated with the campaign.  

FDA warned the public via Twitter not to use Ivermectin to treat COVID-19. 

Meanwhile, the FDA has approved the Pfizer vaccine.  The Food and Drug Administration released a statement saying in part, “While this and other vaccines have met the FDA’s rigorous, scientific standards for emergency use authorization, as the first FDA-approved COVID-19 vaccine, the public can be very confident that this vaccine meets the high standards for safety, effectiveness, and manufacturing quality the FDA requires of an approved product.”

A Gallery of Dissent With Statements from the rally attendees:

“We should always have a choice.” 

“I’m here for the people who are told to jab or lose their jobs.”

“Humboldt Workers hold the line- DO NOT GIVE IN! Do not take it!”  

“Clean air is good for you!  Take off your mask!  Take off your mask!” 

“We the people won’t comply, if you do, you may DIE!” 

‘It’s tragic that they’re [in the ICU], bottom line… but there’s a bigger picture than just taking the vaccine, I mean there’s the long term effects of the vaccine that may harm people more than COVID can.”  

“You don’t want shot after shot after shot.” 

“I just trust my immune system, and I already had it last year so I already have antibodies.” 

“I don’t know, I heard a lot of mixed things about the data, I don’t think the vaccine works because I know of lots of people that got the shot and then still got COVID. I just don’t trust it.” 

“Another thing that amazes me is the corruption in local media, like down to the local level where there’s no media here…  Where’s our local media?  Why aren’t they here to document this?  You’d think that being such a small community that our local media would not be affected by the corporate chain of whatever it is, but they all get their marching orders from the top.” 

“The COVID isn’t even real, why are you lying?  Why won’t the news say the real truth?  The mainstream media is lying.” 

 

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omnomnonimous
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omnomnonimous
2 years ago

The man in the blue coat who did not wish to be identified is not just an anti vaxxer but a well known notorious 9/11 truther and all around charlatan. He’s done more to damage the credibility of the activist left than any right wing nut job ever could.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  omnomnonimous

name?

omnomnonimous
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omnomnonimous
2 years ago
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Gabriel Day. Say what you will about the guy but he knows web design.

http://www.911sharethetruth.com/

Nameless
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Nameless
2 years ago
Reply to  omnomnonimous

That is definitely Gabriel Day, I recognized him immediately. He used to own a computer store, a publishing/printing company, and a button and bumper sticker business south of where plaza shoe shop is. That’s not his real name but that’s what he has gone by since at least the 90s.

He knows who i am
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He knows who i am
2 years ago
Reply to  Nameless

His real name is Howard Day. He has always been a paranoid conspiracy monger. Ask anyone who has ever has the mispleasure of working for him, literally anyone. They can attest to his lack of character and questionable moral code. The mere fact that he refused to give his name shows what a coward he is. What I didn’t know is that he was such a scumbag that he could trivialize the deaths of 7 million Jews

He knows who I am
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He knows who I am
2 years ago
JimboJeem
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JimboJeem
2 years ago
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Howard “Gabriel” Day was my housemate in Santa Cruz in the ’80s. He and his gf moved to Arcata to have a kid. I moved back for college around the same time. We were all in the same posse back then. I’m still in touch with his baby mama.

Vic Moone
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Vic Moone
2 years ago
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MASKING VACCINE EXEMPTION FORM
Legally Binding Document #16720

I am no longer required to wear a mask or get Vaccinated,
while accepting to never seek medical treatment for this virus
that in a clear mind I choose “not” to avoid.
WARNING: This exemption does not protect against legal action
for directly causing Illness or death to others.

Signature_____________ Date _________

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Vic Moone

Can anyone point to a case of someone being legally prosecuted for “directly causing illness”? I remember the college kid who got in legal trouble for intentionally spreading HIV. But that’s all I could come up with

JimboJeem
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JimboJeem
2 years ago
Reply to  Nameless

Cell phone sales too.

Eric Kirk
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Eric Kirk
2 years ago
Reply to  omnomnonimous

Looks really cluttered to me.

omnomnonimous
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omnomnonimous
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Kirk

Sorry, forgot to engage the sarcasm font. Poe’s Law strikes again.

Eric Kirk
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Eric Kirk
2 years ago
Reply to  omnomnonimous

Oh, duh.

Yeah, I missed it.

John
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John
2 years ago
Reply to  omnomnonimous

Hey, Omno, thanks for sharing that website, sharethetruth.com! While agreeing with Eric that it is cluttered, it still contains a lot of good information. For instance, Building 7? I mean, like, come on! But that’s really not what this article nor comment stream is about, so enough on that. I myself got vaxxed, which is a good thing, because now I’m immune to the trick of the label “anti-vaxxer” being applied to me. Anyway, I’m going to be going back to that site you shared, read the articles contained there, maybe order some of the books. Thanks!

omnomnonimous
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omnomnonimous
2 years ago
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So if you question why Building 7 fell are you also suspicious about the condo in Miami that just collapsed? Or do you accept that when the structural integrity of a high rise building’s foundation is severely compromised it’s not unreasonable to expect the whole thing may come tumbling down under its own weight?

In no way did I share that website with the intention of promoting it or being party to the propagation of all the BS it postulates. My intent was just to point and laugh at how terrible it is.

chopsolutely
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chopsolutely
2 years ago
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AL QAEDA BOMBED MIAMI WITH HELP FROM TALIBAN AND ANTIFA. /s

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  chopsolutely

Knowing how Building 7 came down does NOT mean you know who brought it down.

The 9/11 National Security coverup is that we were attacked by a real big ally, namely Saudia Arabia, and we just won’t talk about that.

Ae911 is junk.

The website mentioned above operated by this local is junk.

https://911speakout.org

That will be the only I recommend.

And yes, a plane hit the Pentagon.

Albury
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Albury
2 years ago
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9/11 was al Qaeda’s third deadly suicide attack on the US in just over 3 years…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6obQ5naNn0
From Osama bin Laden’s 1998 (second) fatwa: “The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies-civilians and military-is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, ‘and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together,’ and ‘fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God [blah, blah, blah…]'”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6obQ5naNn0

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Why is ae911 junk? Just because you don’t agree with their assessment?

Ullr Rover
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2 years ago
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Institute of Northern Engineering | University of Alaska Fairbanks

[Quote]
This is a study of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) — a 47-story building that suffered a total collapse at 5:20 PM on September 11, 2001, following the horrible events of that morning. The objective of the study was threefold: (1) Examine the structural response of WTC 7 to fire loads that may have occurred on September 11, 2001; (2) Rule out scenarios that could not have caused the observed collapse; and (3) Identify types of failures and their locations that may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.

The UAF research team utilized three approaches for examining the structural response of WTC 7 to the conditions that may have occurred on September 11, 2001. First, we simulated the local structural response to fire loading that may have occurred below Floor 13, where most of the fires in WTC 7 are reported to have occurred. Second, we supplemented our own simulation by examining the collapse initiation hypothesis developed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Third, we simulated a number of scenarios within the overall structural system in order to determine what types of local failures and their locations may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.

The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.

Full report here:

https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

Willow Creeker
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Willow Creeker
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Good to know your position on this. Apparently you really do inhabit the fringes of reality. It makes more sense now.

Ullr Rover
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2 years ago
Reply to  Willow Creeker

This is a quote from the University of Alaska department of engineering. So, you are claiming that this engineering department submitted a study for peer review because they are in the fringe?

Look outside your information bubble.

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
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👍

Albury
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Albury
2 years ago
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Please feel free to ask Box Boy* and his “more than 2300 [9/11 crackpots]” to show you on video with audio how explosives or incendiaries secretly cut the 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ web, and 215 in^2 cross-sectional area of even ONE W14 X 730 column like the 11 of 24 in their Sacred Tower 7’s core, and the 4 corner columns in each Twin Tower’s core:comment image
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2o8k4n9CY
If they ever HAD TO do it, they’d need to start looking for another hobby.
*Box Boy’s ONLY 9/11 “research”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVi4qbN2jM

Ash
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Ash
2 years ago
Reply to  John

https://www.ae911truth.org/wtc7

Study by the University of Alaska on building 7.

Albury
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Albury
2 years ago
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Now that they’ve once again proved garbage in = garbage out, Hulsey, et al. should acquaint themselves with the 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ web, and 215 in^2 cross-sectional area of a W14 X 730 column, like the 11 of 24 in WTC 7’s core, and the 4 corner columns in each Twin Tower’s core:
http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2o8k4n9CY

Thirdeye
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Thirdeye
2 years ago
Reply to  John

The WTC7 argument by the conspiracy theorists is so dumb it’s hilarious. If they would have us believe that the whole idea was to use aircraft as a cover for demolition charges, they need an explanation for why demolition charges were used on WTC7, which was not hit by an aircraft. I guess they must have had some extra charges left over so they, in an egregious breach of operational discipline, brought down an extra building just for jollies. I’m sure they were rubbing their hands together and cackling as it fell.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
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You should look up information about who the tenants of building 7 were.

Thirdeye
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Thirdeye
2 years ago

Oh….so you’re one of those people. Guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
2 years ago
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Yeah. For them up is down, in is out, day is night, Trump is president, 1-6-21 was a regular tourist day (hey kids, beat the cops with American flags and the Stars and Bars Confederate flag and crap in the building.).

Thirdeye
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Thirdeye
2 years ago

9/11 “truthers” and the hard-core fringe of MAGA are different groups. A lot of 9/11 “truthers” consider themselves “leftists.” Some of them were prominent in that weird coalition that called itself “The Resistance.”

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

So, you don’t know. You have been instructed to ignore and dismiss any question about the events of that day and you have dutifully followed those instructions.

Even worse you’ve accepted the idea that anyone who doesn’t accept the official story is “one of those people”. And look how well that training has been put to use in you now!

[edit]

JimboJeem
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JimboJeem
2 years ago
Reply to  omnomnonimous

Looks like crap to me. Reminds me of the supermarket tabloids. Ugly. Busy. Blech!

bearjoo
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bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Kym quick fact check: FDA approved “Comirnaty” which is the Biontech vaccine that isn’t out yet.

The experimental shots available on the market are still not approved. MM did not do the work.

Please do your DD on this, but it comes from peer reviewed scientists.

Thanks!

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

The FDA is clearly saying that they are one and the same: “The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty” https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/comirnaty-and-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine

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bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

ok Ill do a deep dive and if you are correct Dr. Malone and others are lying.

However, from “two weeks to slow the spread” to “if you take the vaccine you won’t get covid” I think the bears, so to speak, have a better track record re truthiness

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
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If you don’t believe the FDA on what the FDA is doing, then there’s a good chance you won’t believe any information unless it confirms what you want to believe anyway.

chopsolutely
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chopsolutely
2 years ago
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i dunno, kym. the vaccine killed me. we should seriously hear her out. i’m sure she knows more than thousands of epidemiologists, virologists, etc. across the whole planet.

it’s funny to me when people think science doing what it does, which is adjusting its assertions to reflect observable and reproducible phenomenon with ever-increasing accuracy, without regard for the feelings of people that had previously reached or otherwise believed incorrect assertions, somehow serves as a “gotcha.”

but yeah, the vaccine done killed me dead. and turned me communist. i’m a gay communist ghost now. [edit]

Imsuchapatriot
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Imsuchapatriot
2 years ago
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“You too? I thought it was just me! Do you get the Bill Gates 5G orders in your brain too?
This tears it! Im gonna go threaten and hassle doctors and nurses trying to save lives and maybe MY picture will be right here on the front page! Weee!…cough….cough…except all a sudden I dont feel too well. Call the doctor!!!!!”

Thirdeye
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Thirdeye
2 years ago
Reply to  Imsuchapatriot

You missed the sarcasm.

UnflappableJack
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UnflappableJack
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Believe, want to believe, or NEED to believe, and where does your hat hang Kym. hmmmmm

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago

Like I said, if you are not wanting to take the “emergency” Pfizer vaccine because you think this isn’t the same vaccine as was just approved and I show you on the FDA’s own site where they are clearly saying it is the exact same formula….Then you won’t believe any further research you do that confirms that this is the same vaccine.

The desire to believe that the world is conspiring against you and only you and a few chosen others are smart enough to see through the charade is a powerful drug that some folks can’t shake their addiction to.

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
2 years ago
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They don’t care, Kym. Doesn’t matter what the evidence is, if it doesn’t fit their fantasy. One of my oldest friends, since childhood, is a Trump stop-the-steal, dead-ender. Smart, from a wealthy family. A commercial airline pilot during 9-11. If I mention the failed court cases, he just says “they wouldn’t look at it.” Conservative judges looked and said it was crap. The American Experiment depends on kind, decent people seeking truth and justice. Pure insanity could take us all down. Heart-breaking.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago

It is hard to believe that we can’t gently reason our way through this but we’re on 18+ months and if they are proven wrong (how’s that this will all be over after the election working for some of you?), they just go sideways and find some other thing to fuss about.

CookL
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CookL
2 years ago
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“The desire to believe that the world is conspiring against you and only you and a few chosen others are smart enough to see through the charade is a powerful drug that some folks can’t shake their addiction to.”

VERY well put.

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
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It’s pretty clear from their own words that they are not the same.

Dr. Malone via bearjoo are correct. Pfizer does claim the ingredients are the same but they are clearly different jabs.

“The FDA-approved COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and the FDA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) have the same formulation and can be used interchangeably to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series.[1]”

https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download

It also does seem that the Commie jab is not yet available. So…..more smoke and mirrors folks.

No surprise there.

bearjoo
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bearjoo
2 years ago
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Its not just the FDA — we are in 30 trillion of debt. A guy with that much debt is a guy I wouldn’t trust.

But that’s not the issue … The issue is that “Comirnity” is owned by Biontech for marketing in the USA. The Pfizer jab will retain its legal liability shield because even though the formula is the exact same you cannot sue anyone if you get sick from it.

Whereas if you get sick from a fully FDA approved shot you could sue someone. Because the Biontech shot isn’t in anyone’s arm yet, no one can sue yet.

But of course, I do not “trust” the FDA. Like Biden, I don’t trust anyone. Janet Woodcock the current head of the FDA was the one responsible for approving OXY contin.

Jo Manchin said this about her…

“The FDA needs new leadership to be accountable for new drug approvals and to address the public health consequences of widely available prescription opioids, as well as the numerous other health concerns facing our country,” Manchin said in the letter. “I hope the Biden Administration will examine the consequences of Dr. Woodcock’s leadership and appoint someone more suited to lead our country out of this devastating pandemic.”

One of the jabs in Europe is called “spikevax” — it’s not like they weren’t warning people that the koolaid is “spiked”

BREAKING: Takeda suspends delivering 1.63MM Moderna shots because “foreign materials” inside of tequila shot…

https://www.swfinstitute.org/news/88020/takeda-pharmaceutical-suspends-moderna-covid-vaccine-as-reports-show-some-contain-foreign-materials

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

“Tequila shot”? Yuh, uh huh. Maybe try the extra heavy, camping grade Reynolds foil for your next fedora. Oh, damn, that IS insulting. See, if you and your crowd don’t get vaxxed and our hospitals fill up with your dying asses, then folks with other medical emergencies wind up in the gift shop or a tent in the parking lot due to your intransigence and abject, unmitigated ignorance and obstinacy. And YOU folks are angry!?
That’s the issue.

bearjoo
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bearjoo
2 years ago

seems like its waaaay worse this year than last year. The only difference is that everyone is now vaccinated!

Guess what that means…..

It means that it did not work. 2+2 = ?

CookL
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CookL
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

You really seem sure of what you are saying. Arrogant about it even. As if admitting you could be wrong is just not anything you would ever do!

Yet I have never seen something so f-ing obvious escape someone so completely.

You might want to try stepping away from the computer and media for a bit and clear your head.

Formerly 4T
Guest
Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

CookL: Just hollow words so far.

Do you have a source to explain why bearjoo is wrong? What is “so f’n obvious”?

Or do you just not like what they are saying.?

Lost Croat: it is an insult but don’t worry, it won’t get deleted. She agrees with you.

soapboxer
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soapboxer
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo
bearjoo
Guest
bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Thanks Kym,

So after spending some time on it, the Comirnity “is the exact same” as the one that Pfizer gave out but now it is Biontech giving out the Comirnity not Pfizer in the US.

All it really means is that because the original Pfizer vaccine was not approved, but Comirnity was approved, Pfizer retains full legal immunity from the vaccine. As per those who take the tequila shot, they get 6 months of immunity.

I think Pfizer gets the better deal!

Kym Kemp
Admin
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

Comirnity’s a brand name…Pfizer is the name of one of the companies who worked on it. BioNTech is another of the companies who worked on it.

The vaccine that I got in March, called the Pfizer vaccine, is the one that was approved by the FDA just this week called Comirnity. The formula is the same. There is no difference.

Bulshooziblab
Guest
Bulshooziblab
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

They still need to fire the marketing department over “comurnity” . My spell check wants to change it to ‘vomit’. It sounds like a church on South Park.
Who thinks up all these hideous brand names!?

bearjoo
Guest
bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Ok, then try suing Pfizer over it if you had a bad reaction…

this is about lawyers: “comirnity” wasn’t given to you in March. Very important if you had an adverse event and want to sue.

Respectfully,

Bearjoo

PS: Remember the waiver you had to sign?

with Comirnity there should be no waiver because of full approval, but we have 300MM older shots to give out (with waivers) before the Comirnaties are delivered. By then, it might not be an issue…. 🙁

Kym Kemp
Admin
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

Please be aware that no one can sue any vaccine manufacture (small pox, tetanus, polio, COVID, etc) for side effects from a properly prepared vaccine.

Here’s the section of relevant law: “No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings.” https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-22

bearjoo
Guest
bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Great points Kym thank you for that.

Under the Prep Act of 2020 the makers of these vaccines have no liability. Once the product is approved fully by the FDA, the liability protection is not covered by the Prep act anymore and would fall under the statute you mentioned — however, they ARE criminally liable if they aren’t covered by the Prep act. I believe after FDA approval they are open to criminal prosecution at the state level now. I could be wrong.

“The Secretary of HHS issued a public health emergency declaration, effective February 4, 2020, regarding COVID-19. The impact of that declaration is to trigger certain targeted liability immunity provisions under the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREP Act).1 Under those provisions, qualified pandemic products are “immune from suit and liability under federal and state law with respect to all claims for loss caused by, arising out of, relating to, or resulting from the administration to or use by an individual of a covered countermeasure if a Declaration has been issued with respect to such countermeasure.” PREP Act liability immunity is not dependent on other emergency declarations; however, products that are not currently approved or cleared or that are seeking label expansions still have to go through the regulatory process in order to fit within the PREP Act provisions.”

If you die from this, there is no recourse from the courts. Because Ivermectin and Hydroxy were not approved as treatments, the EUA was allowed, and the Prep Act shields from criminal prosecution.

VMG
Guest
VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

It only baffles me how you could be so deliberately obtuse and insulting while you steadfastly defend positions completely malinformed and biased…

I am convinced that arguing with you is a complete waste of energy [edit]

As I once said to “Guest”, you would argue with a stump, if one would hold still for it, and I am convinced that no matter how bizarre your viewpoint, you would spend endless time trying to convince the stump that it was wrong…

Bearjoo, you WILL be vaccinated, if only because it’s inconvenient to NOT be vaccinated, when you try to travel, dine out, or shop…

[edit] as for the subject of this item, the folks out in the streets being photographed while willfully, negligently ignorant, insulting and offensive, they truly are amazing…

Remember the people in these photos:

Back in the 60’s, the protesters who occupied the Administration Building at UC Berkeley during the “Free Speech” movement, were often accused of importing “outside agitators”, and to my mind, these people just wanted a shot at fame… Just like the protesters here, who evidently want to be famously ridiculous, nonsensically numbskullish, and unbelievably offensive to nearly everyone around them…

[edit]

Percy vs Goliath
Guest
Percy vs Goliath
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

If this gentleman isn’t insulting the above commenter , this is a horrible way to communicate.

This comment only contributes to the division.

How does this possibly help the conversation.

We have so many other issues to deal with, we should simply allow people their freedom to choose.

Insults are not contributing to the discussion.

Sad heart.

Formerly 4T
Guest
Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Don’t think so Kym. See above.

The one you received is still EUA.

The new jab, “same formula”, is different, legally. As far as I know, it is not yet available. That’s how I’m reading the docs anyway.

As usual, transparency reigns.

How about looking into what’s available in your locale? Bet it’s the EUA jab.

https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download

Uridian
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Uridian
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

You realize that according to this article a heath care professional said essentially that anyone unvaccinated should not be revived or resuscitated. Imagine if they said anyone of a certain religious belief or race should not be revived or resuscitated. Oh wait she did!
There are people who have religious exemptions and there are less people of color (percentage wise) that have gotten the “vaccine” than white people.

Kym Kemp
Admin
2 years ago
Reply to  Uridian

I do realize and while I sympathize with the frustration when working your butt off in dangerous situations with talking trash about the major source of your problem (you should hear me rant about some of the commenters sometimes), nonetheless, I don’t agree with the statement made. And, I wonder if the person really feels that way after having a chance to calm down. It must be incredibly frustrating to be be knee deep in people with an illness they likely wouldn’t have ended up in the hospital with if they had been vaccinated and then walk out exhausted on a break or the end of your day to discover people encouraging others to make a similarly bad and quite possibly life threatening decision. I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t be cool and calm either.

FogDog
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FogDog
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Very well said.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  FogDog

The rhetoric is way out of hand and it’s turned to infighting, which is very hard to stop.

I can understand the frustration of the medical staff, but this is their job. Now’s the best time to switch jobs I have ever seen, if they can’t handle it.

Blaming people who aren’t taking the vaccine is counter productive, but many people just can’t take it anymore. I am saddened by this turn of events. However it is not surprising with the level of hysteria.

Willow Creeker
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Willow Creeker
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

It’s not surprising. This current situation is totally predictable. It’s a result of uniformed people [edit] and still expect the rest of us to clean up your mess after you. It’s a disgrace and a result of our ‘individualist’ society. What a bunch of dummies.

Hayforker
Guest
Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Willow Creeker

Not sure how this is my fault. You don’t even know me.

More irrational people pissed at others. That happens when you’re told something that is perceived to be life or death and it turns out to be false hope.

Allowing no masks, stopping the lockdowns, allowing air travel and opening up indoor activities was not my decision.

Although they are very uniformed and selfish decisions.

Formerly 4T
Guest
Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Willow Creeker

#2?

Non-fiction
Guest
Non-fiction
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

When most people went into medical practice they did NOT sign up to have idiots risk their and their families lives so thoroughly.

Why aren’t these people protesting stop signs, stop lights, turn only lanes, seatbelts, car insurance, building permits, highway lane closures, speed limits, educational mandates, etc etc etc.

Please support the Foundation for the Eradication of Cranial Rectosis.
The Shoulder Deep variant is widespread throughout our communities and is extremely contagious.

Uridian
Guest
Uridian
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Sorry Kim you shouldn’t be giving people that type of pass. People get frustrated with others all the time. That shouldn’t give them the right to wish them dead.
People that most often have problems with Covid are those that are overweight or have other health issues. Vaccinated or not. Should they not be revived or resuscitated?
The point is people should have a choice after assessing their own risk. Should people not be treated if they are in a car wreck? Cancer? Whether there “fault ” or not.
This whole mess is due to the mixed messages in the media and the Government. This smells of the suggestion that anyone who didn’t vote for train wreck Joe should be in a reeducation camp. The catch is a lot of “sophisticated” Dems are not to enthused about the “vaccine”. Not just Red neck, heathen, bible thumping hillbillies

Kym Kemp
Admin
2 years ago
Reply to  Uridian

I think venting is fairly normal. If I heard of someone actually attempting to follow through on those statements, that would be a different story. But, I’ve been known to say a few things while letting off steam that I wouldn’t really do.

People have the right to wish all sorts of folks dead. They don’t have the right to try and make it happen. People on this website have argued that elderly and obese folks might as well die (saying that they are a drain on the system and the obese particularly are at fault for their own problems so no one should make any effort to save them) but those commenting aren’t actively advocating killing the old and obese so the comments stay. Similarly, arguing that the unvaccinated are a drain on the system and should suffer the consequences of their own bad decisions is allowable speech.

And if you want to tamp down the hyperbole, maybe start with “this smells of the suggestion that anyone who didn’t vote for train wreck Joe should be in a reeducation camp.”

Uridian
Guest
Uridian
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

My comments were meant to shed light on the attitude that seems to be accepted that we should not treat folks that are not vaccinated. Although she didn’t say if they should be treated for conditions unrelated to Covid.
As we know and Ian Hoffman said today “More severe cases are generally related to the age and condition of the individual”
This was after the first reported death of a fully vaccinated person today a person in their 70’s. We also had a person in their 20’s hospitalized WITH covid. But we don’t know what the condition of the individual was or if it was even Covid related.
If we are going to support the attitude of the heath care worker quoted we probably should go ahead and add to the list of those that don’t deserve treatment for whatever. Smokers, obese, poor genetics, low IQ, where do we stop…..
I do appreciate the conversation.

Non-fiction
Guest
Non-fiction
2 years ago
Reply to  Uridian

Way to take responsibility for your own hyperbole while expecting other’s hyperbole to not have the same access to the forum as yourself….

Hayforker
Guest
Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Uridian

Yeah it’s mentioned here and there, but some of the highest unvaccinated levels are high earning, well educated adults. Often of European or Asian decent.

This is for general vaccination levels. Not sure about the exact covid vaccines rates, but I bet someone has some source they want to cite.

These people have money and education so they are mostly left alone and excluded from the name calling and harassment.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

You might wonder if the person really feels that way, I wonder if it terrifies an unjabbed person who does need hospital services, even if it’s for a heart attack or other non Covid related issue, and will cause them to delay or refuse going to a hospital where they will know they are hated, and possibly will receive inferior treatment including being forced to vaccinate.

Kym Kemp
Admin
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

I thought the current thought among those not wanting the COVID vaccination is that there are lots of medical professionals who don’t want it either? So there should be a lot of people taking the unvaccinated person’s side.

But I’m sure that a comment like that is unsettling to the unjabbed just as the comments of some on here that they don’t wear masks and aren’t vaccinated and those who are weak and old should stay home if they are afraid of getting ill is unsettling to those who are vaccinated.

VMG
Guest
VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

The line has to be drawn somewhere.

My daughter is being treated for Cancer. Imagine having to deal with a serious medical condition, requiring multiple Office Visits
(10 Chemo Appointments over 20 weeks, 33 radiation appointments over 7 weeks, 2 surgeries, many appointments for therapy etc) while this garbage is occurring outside!

Wouldn’t you expect everyone you encounter to have been vaccinated?

This protest, presented in the provinces, for the enjoyment of nearly nobody, is a act of extreme stupidity and ignorance! It is offense and insulting, and it makes consuming medical care even more stressful!

People working healthcare jobs are increasingly isolated, getting more and more negative and stressed-out, and these protestations do not aid anyone!

This “protest” was ridiculous, and I view this story with great sadness… The support for ignorant viewpoints shown by many of the commentators here, helps nobody, and increases division at a time of extreme need for solidarity.

Thank you for moderating this incredibly sad discussion.

VMG
Guest
VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

And for everyone else:

If you want a job in a healthcare organization, you are required to have been vaccinated against:

Hepatitis B
Varicella
Tetanus
Rubella
Measles, Mumps, Influenza

and several others…

COVID is the most serious threat to public health and institutional safety in 100 years. It is wholly preventable and vaccinable.

You will be required to be vaccinated. Get over it.

Give healthcare workers a break!

St Joseph’s employees already work for one of the worst employers in Northern California…

Get vaccinated now…

Please don’t amplify the foolishness seen in this item, or glorify the foolishness with your support.

Angela Robinson
Guest
Angela Robinson
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Best wishes for a good recovery for your daughter.

VMG
Guest
VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Thank you.

bearjoo
Guest
bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

White House has no vaxx mandate for their own staff…

Kym Kemp
Admin
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

Good, I don’t support COVID vaccination mandates for most jobs that can be done without close contact.

AA
Guest
AA
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

Bearjoo, it’s not fully approved for those under 16, nor is the booster shot fully approved.

But the first two shots for those 16 and over are fully approved by the F.D.A., correct?

bearjoo
Guest
bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

No only if the shot says “Comirnity” on it is it FDA approved meaning you can sue if your kid dies the next day. If they sign a waiver, they are SOL as far as lawsuit goes.

PS: giving your kid the shot is not responsible parenting. Get them home schooled or infected. The virus is harmless to kids. The vaxxx? who knows.

Kym Kemp
Admin
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

Please be aware that no one can sue any vaccine manufacture (small pox, polio, COVID, etc). “No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings.” https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-22

bearjoo
Guest
bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

You can bring criminal charges at the state level if FDA approved , and I don’t think they are immune from civil because technically this is NOT a vaccine. It is a gene therapy.

Kym Kemp
Admin
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

Lord, you are determined to read the information incorrectly.

Bearjoo
Guest
Bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

No I am determined to provide facts. I love your site. You are a great reporter. But there is not a two way dialogue on the risk benefit analysis…

WE could save MANY lives by banning all cars. Its the risk benefit that keeps cars on the road.

I don’t think these shots are worth the risk for kids. If you are an adult you can weigh the risks yourself… But kids shouldn’t be given experimental gene therapy.

God Bless You for allowing two way discussion!

Kym Kemp
Admin
2 years ago
Reply to  Bearjoo

Having a discussion only works if one person isn’t determinedly misreading clear statements and turning them into something else.

VMG
Guest
VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Bearjoo

Ms Kemp is not your therapist, and comments are presumed to be extemporaneous statements of thought…

This is not an encounter group, it isn’t a support group, it’s not book club and it’s certainly not a “discussion”…

You have utterly misconstrued everything said to you. [edit]

VMG
Guest
VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Bearjoo

This protest was not worth a single column inch.

The discussion presented here is as offensive and insulting, to nearly anyone, as the protest itself.

Glorifying public idiocy in protest, and fantastic ignorance in commentating certainly does not appear to be the mission of this publication…

I can see why this was presented here, but if people refuse to work together against disease, the hospital might as well be shuttered.

I hope you don’t have to watch a family member suffer from Cancer, or need emergency surgery yourself, while this extremely sad comedy is being played out in the streets …

Go down to San Francisco, and try to enter a hospital!

The doors are locked.

Formerly 4T
Guest
Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Bearjoo

Next time I’m in the city, VMG, I might just check out your assumption.

A good friend there, in his 80’s, goes frequently for unrelated health issues. He hasn’t mentioned not being able to enter.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

AA, don’t quote me on this, but I believe in one of Pfizers initial approval requests, whether it was the EUD or the full FDA approval, they actually filed for a 3 dose regimen, the third being a booster. So, since the Booster is supposedly the same, and since they have FDA approval now, they are good to go on the Booster.

If someone could confirm this it would be helpful.

What is odd is that a Booster, formulated with Delta in mind, would seem to be in order, or called for under the current circumstances, especially since this “vaccine platform” ability, was touted
as a selling point, but is not being implemented.

A good information piece would also include when a new batch of vaccine will roll out for the currently unvaxxed or in need of a booster.

I want “The Fresh”, not some old tired and busted, blood curdling, pickly smelling, freezer burned, last year’s jab juice, with it’s dubiously updated, new and improved, Best By, Sell By, Inject By, Discard By, Now Good Thrugh August, Expiration Date, preferably a good match and updated for Delta, thank you very much.

As far as I know, the Booster is no different than before,
and not updated for Delta.

Is there confirmation for this?
Please.

I’m sure I am not the only one wondering.

Auntie Ovine
Guest
Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

That’s totally disingenuous. You clearly don’t want any vaccine so why do you use silly language to try to create doubts over problems that don’t exist? It must be part of a campaign to make people afraid of vaccination in order that you have company in your conspiracy ridden world.

Non-fiction
Guest
Non-fiction
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

Bearjoo is clearly NOT an authority on any of the subject matter here.
The vast majority of Bjs comments are filled with regurgitated misinformation and a strong peppering of parroted disinformation

Sunset
Guest
Sunset
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Are you doxing this guy you should be ashamed of yourself

Auntie Ovine
Guest
Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Sunset

A person handing out offensive political paraphernalia at a protest has outed himself. He can not be doxxed by anyone.

Sunset
Guest
Sunset
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

You are doxing him? You should be ashamed of yourself. This is what happens in China!!

sunset
Guest
sunset
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Did you just dox this guy? You should be ashamed of yourself

The Real Brian
Guest
The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  omnomnonimous

I’m surprised I don’t know his name.

He’s in public, on a public webpage, I think it’s ok to say his name.

Please save me a little time and do that.

Unjabbed Guest
Guest
Unjabbed Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  omnomnonimous

Takeda Suspends Use of 1.63M Doses Of Moderna Vaccine, Japan Says Unused Moderna Doses Have ‘Foreign Materials’

He must be smarter than the rest.

Auntie Ovine
Guest
Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Unjabbed Guest

Certainly more than some. One vaccine brand in certain lots was suspended because of contamination by a specific manufacturer. No other reason. “The vaccine lot in question and two adjacent lots have been put on hold “out of an abundance of caution,” Moderna said.”

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/1.6m-Moderna-doses-withdrawn-in-Japan-over-contamination

Unjabbed Guest
Guest
Unjabbed Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

You just love, love, love your poisonous drugs… if nothing else it’s a mental addiction. The first step to recovery is to recognize it and you too can stop being a drug pusher.

Auntie Ovine
Guest
Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Unjabbed Guest

I just love reason and honest intent. It is not that I love vaccines as much as I am disgusted by malicious dishonesty. And anti vaxxers reek of organized deliberate dishonesty.

Formerly 4T
Guest
Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Unjabbed Guest

Magnetic too. 🤔

VMG
Guest
VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  omnomnonimous

Un. Fucking. Believable…

We are sending out the trophy for:

Stupidest. Protest. In. History.

Congratulations, idiots…

Don’t be the fool dying in the ICU…

Get. Vaccinated. Now.

VMG
Guest
VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

And:

“a medical professional, told us that some of the hospital workers are fed up with what one called “willful blind ignorance.” They told us, “I personally wish people making the choice to be unvaccinated could also make the choice to be a ‘do not resuscitate’ or ‘do not intubate’ when they call 911. Do not waste resources.”

It’s not just deliberate stupidity, it’s complete negligence, and extremely insulting to the healthcare community.

Wrong place, wrong time, wrong about everything… Offensive to everyone with a working brain…

Get yourself vaccinated, or don’t bother trying to find a hospital bed when you need it…

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

I totally agree, VMG. 🤔🧐, 💯.

That medical worker definitely shouldn’t have said anything like that.

But must you be so harsh to a colleague?

You really didn’t pull any punches did you? I hope what you said brings that medical professional to their senses.
I don’t see how it couldn’t have.

Saying something like that, such as they did, really must fly in the face of the ‘Providence/ St. Joseph’s Hospital, Sister’s of
St. Joseph Orange, Mission Statement’…

” THE MISSION:
As expressions of God’s love, witnessed through the ministry of Jesus, we are steadfast in serving all, especially those that are poor and vulnerable.

VALUES:
Compassion, Dignity, Justice, Excellence, Integrity.

VISION:
Health for a Better World.

OUR PROMISE:
“Know me, care for me, ease my way.”

You clearly understand that.

But as far as what you said about that medical professional,

That’s So Vicious, My Goodness.

Again, I agree with you wholeheartedly, they are making all healthcare workers look bad,
and what they said was totally unacceptable, even though I know that they don’t all feel that way.

But you really shouldn’t chide medical professionals so harshly, they are under a great deal of pressure every day, Even if it’s your own reputation, as a medical professional, that you are trying to save, or salvage, or protect. What they said was really no reflection upon yourself.
You may have overreacted a wee, little bit, don’t you think?

Maybe speak privately to the HR department. Maybe there is something they can do to improve moral. Be at peace.

Maybe you could talk them into offering free vaccinations or something, for all the staff?

Or maybe fidget spinners?

I totally understand your sentiments, though. That has got to be one of the most inappropriate, mean spirited, and heartless statements that I have ever heard from a medical professional. How dare they?

I want to personally thank you for your efforts to set them straight. It was quite heroic.

It renews my faith in our health care system. There is now hope.

VMG
Guest
VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

I disagree with what the hospital employee said, and no thinking person would speak in an encouraging manner to or about protesters so intentionally negligent and ridiculous.

Absolutely anyone can call themselves a Christian, and I have witnessed these protests from Kamuela to Clear Lake, with great sadness.

Trump divided us, California is evolving from incipient desert into hell on earth.

The healthcare workers of Northern California are exhausted, baffled by the continuing existence of “vaccine resistance” and the absolute insanity present in the forces working against them. I forgive them, but I can’t suffer the stupidity of Christian Anti-Vaxers any longer…

Remember, God was invented by man, not the other way around, and many scientists and researchers invented the vaccine in an attempt to stop the pandemic and reduce the death and suffering that the disease produces. Give us a break, the vaccine won’t hurt you, and dying of COVID hurts you and potentially, many others…

COVID also produces exhausted physicians and healthcare workers, who are risking their own lives to relieve suffering! Forgive their remarks, they are tired from working long hours…

We ask you to take your vaccine, in a effort to end the spread of disease.

Get vaccinated now.

Percy vs Goliath
Guest
Percy vs Goliath
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

“Man who plays God”

Is not to be trusted.

You are Easy To Ignore, Because You Have No Authority,

and no solution for what truly hurts you.

Auntie Ovine
Guest
Auntie Ovine
2 years ago

That is clap trap.

Willow Creeker
Guest
Willow Creeker
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

👍

bearjoo
Guest
bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Really feel pressured to stop posting here. I don’t feel welcome as a Christian.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/PQ1y7GeRvrB4/

Enjoy your futures… I know I will be enjoying my own, unvaccinated and isolated. God Bless

HotCoffee
Guest
HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

bearjoo, You have as much right to be here as anyone else.

VMG
Guest
VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Thanks, BJ.

Retire in peace.

You can still have the vaccine, anytime you want.

Anon
Guest
Anon
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

And you, VMG can still come to know that there is a Creative and Restorative God.

VMG
Guest
VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Whatever…

Sunset
Guest
Sunset
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

👍👍👍👍👍

Muddy Black Dodge
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  omnomnonimous

Mega spreader event… Hope these folks wear their unvaxed pins on there foreheads and that they mask up indoors… When they get sick (the inevitable), I hope they survive… No ICU beds available at St. Joseph’s, 3 deaths yesterday, one in their 20’s. 👎

Sunset
Guest
Sunset
2 years ago

How many drug overdoses get your priorities straight. Or wait a minute the dope addicts on the street have a disease give me a break

Get your shot
Guest
Get your shot
2 years ago

F*#k all these people. That woman on the bike said it perfectly. ICU is full and these idiots are protesting.

Alberta
Guest
Alberta
2 years ago
Reply to  Get your shot

Keep an eye on this
VAERS Vaccine Covid Analysis

http:/vaersanalysis.info/2021/08/20/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-8-13-2021

Dano
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Dano
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

VAERS is not science.

local observer
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local observer
2 years ago
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here is the science part from the VAERS website. and it seems susceptible to false flagging by the average idiot with an agenda.
“When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.”

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  local observer

As has been said many times. It does not keep anti vaxxers from repeating their misinformation and expanding on it constantly.

Guest
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2 years ago
Reply to  Get your shot

You just couldn’t leave it alone could you?

You don’t suppose the cluttered website guy could be a double agent, an “agent provocateur”, passing out the Star of David badges to discredit the protesters, do you?

Would that type of thing be unheard of?

Or would that just be my alter-ego, the conspiracy theorist, rearing his ugly head again?
Surely no one would take that and run with it would they?

Actually headline it?

Played right into the agent provacateur’s hand.

Even if he is only a misguided anti-vaxxer.

Why give him any notoriety for an inappropriate action?

Make no mention of it, and it loses relevance.

Nonetheless, people who don’t want anything to do with this “medicine” should not be treated like outcasts.

Ullr Rover
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2 years ago

Totally. That makes so much sense. Equating the slippery slope of tyranny with actual tyranny is so messed up. Let’s just give them full blown tyranny so they know what it’s really like.

Lee
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Lee
2 years ago

If the anti-mask anti-vax anti-semitic idiots usurping the Nazi Jewish star id really want to know what it was like for Jews in the Nazi era, maybe we should starve them, beat them, put them on cattle cars and ship them to death camps where they can get the full gas chamber experience — then they can wear the star

Ullr Rover
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2 years ago
Reply to  Lee

Yes, totally. Let’s show them real tyranny. That’ll teach ’em a lesson.

To the gulag with you, you unvaxxed filth. We will cleanse you in our showers.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

To the gulag with you, you unvaxxed filth

The unvaxxed are just going to the morgue, no gulag needed.

Ullr Rover
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Then there’s no need to worry about them.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Except they’re also clogging the hospital system before the morgue.

And the economy suffers from all of this back and forth pandemic child play.

The fact is, I’m not worried about me.

I’ll be fine.

Ullr Rover
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Except they’re not. Hospitals are designed to operate at 90% capacity. Show one overflow facility that has been put to use.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Oh I bet you scared those unvaccinated with that comment. Well done.

In the real world most deaths are tied to poor health so I do think you’ll have to lock them up if they are healthy and/or younger.

Especially those kids- unvaccinated super spreaders!

Uridian
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Uridian
2 years ago
Reply to  Lee

The cruel irony is that the Israeli people are among the most vaccinated in the world and are having a major surge in Covid Cases.

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

npr/gates…..

No conflict of interest of course.

There are many local news groups in Israel that are not gates/vaccine pharma-funded.

It doesn’t bode well for them there.

not a hard one
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not a hard one
2 years ago

Because the choice to be unvaccinated does not only affect you or your body, it likely affects other thinking, self-conscious beings, unlike abortion.

bearjoo
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bearjoo
2 years ago
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The Zombie Juice makes you want to buy AMC common, love China, and TRUST your .government…

Bug on a Windshield
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Bug on a Windshield
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

I’ve looked, and as far as I can tell there is no AMC common or AMC A shares, just the one stock. Unless you have some inside scoop, in which case, juiced or not, no one could buy in anyway. I think that’s what you are referring to.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  not a hard one

I mean, you are sucking out an entirely viable fetus and tossing it in the garbage. It certainly does affect that child more than you, and it certainly shows how heartless you truly are.

why is that?
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why is that?
2 years ago

It’s funny how stupid people actually look stupid.

Canyon oak
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Canyon oak
2 years ago
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Maybe that’s why the prison demographics are the way they are

Geist
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Geist
2 years ago
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Because stupid people keep voting to increase incarceration rates in the country with the highest incarceration rates in the world, because every other rational solution is “Marxism” or “Socialism.”

jeez
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jeez
2 years ago

What a slap in the face to the hospital staff.

Ullr Rover
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2 years ago
Reply to  Kathy Srabian

It’s so awesome we live in a Constitutional Republic and no amount of majority coercion usurps individual sovereignty, autonomy and agency.

Spewydog
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Spewydog
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

And the minority can stomp on all the majority’s freedoms they want to.

Ullr Rover
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2 years ago
Reply to  Spewydog

Freedoms belong to the individual. Not groups.

Industrial Disease
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Industrial Disease
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

The sounds from an ICU. https://imgur.com/gallery/rRXgfBV

Ullr Rover
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2 years ago

Uh, beep, beep, beep. Ok.

Does this have some level of poignancy I’m failing to grasp?

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

👍

Gimmie a break
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Gimmie a break
2 years ago
Reply to  Kathy Srabian

So if we do agree with them should we start an opposite petition? Most signatures wins? Yeah, that will unite us.

Alberta
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Alberta
2 years ago
Reply to  Gimmie a break

Inventor of mRNA technology removed from Wikipedia after he warned against taking COVID jabs

Michael Haynes

July 5, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) – Information about the inventor of the mRNA technology used in certain COVID-19 vaccines was removed from the online encyclopedia site Wikipedia after he publicly warned against giving the experimental gene therapy vaccines to young people and that there was insufficient information about the injections to give informed consent.

Dr. Robert Malone, M.D., M.S., discovered RNA transfection and, while he was at the Salk Institute in San Diego in 1988, invented mRNA vaccines. His research was continued the next year at Vical, and between 1988 and 1989, Malone wrote the patent disclosures for mRNA vaccines.

On June 10, 2021, Dr. Malone joined biologist Bret Weinstein, Ph.D, on the Dark Horse Podcast, where Malone raised numerous safety concerns about the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines, both of which use mRNA technology. He warned about future autoimmune issues caused by the spike proteins within the mRNA injections.

Malone also stated that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) was aware that the spike proteins were “biologically active and could travel from the injection site and cause adverse events, and that the spike protein, if biologically active, is very dangerous.”

YouTube swiftly moved to censor clips from the three-hour podcast interview.

Then, appearing on Fox News’ Tucker Carlson Tonight some days later, Dr. Malone issued further warnings about the vaccines, the content of which is contrary to the mainstream media’s promotion of the injections. The mRNA inventor declared that there was still insufficient data for anyone to make an informed decision about receiving the vaccines.

Malone also warned against the injections being given to young people: “I have a bias that the benefits probably don’t outweigh the risks in that cohort. But, unfortunately, the risk-benefit analysis is not being done.”

Carlson described Malone as being perhaps “the single most qualified person on planet earth to discuss this subject” given his status as the inventor of the technology behind the injections now being rolled out, and in some cases mandated, to people across the globe.

However, Malone was not targeted merely by YouTube. Just days after the Dark Horse Podcast was released, the Wikipedia entry for “RNA vaccine” was changed, removing him and his role from the article, and thus potentially removing the weight that his warnings about the technology might convey.

An archived version of the site from June 14, 2021, clearly lists Malone as the creator in the US and Canada.

Just two days later, June 16, the site was altered to remove any mention of Dr. Malone in the text of the entry. Instead of detailing his exploits, the entry now states that mRNA technology was discovered by “researchers at the Salk Institute, the University of California, San Diego, and Vical.”

The site was to undergo yet another change, and at the time of writing (July 5), the entry had undergone another substantial alteration, this time mentioning Jon Wolff, a collaborator of Malone’s in 1990, and giving him chief credit for the mRNA research experiments.

Furthermore, the current Wikipedia entry now lists Katalin Karikó as “a scientist behind a key discovery in the development of mRNA vaccines.” As noted by commentators on YouTube, Karikó is, unlike Dr. Malone, a public proponent of the experimental vaccines, commenting to The Guardian in November 2020 on the mRNA vaccine: “I never doubted it would work.”

The 66-year-old biochemist is currently the senior vice president at BioNTech RNA Pharmaceuticals, having been in the position since 2013, and is the head of RNA protein replacement therapies. BioNTech is partnered with Pfizer in developing, producing and distributing the hastily developed, experimental COVID-19 injection.

A marked difference in tone toward the COVID-19 injections can be noticed between Dr. Malone and Karikó. While Malone warned that no one had sufficient information to be able to make an informed decision about taking the vaccine, Karikó hailed mRNA as a potential “a universal platform” for future drugs.

Meanwhile, the number of adverse reactions and deaths occurring after the COVID-19 injections continues to mount. The Defender reported that the latest data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention now numbers 411,931 total adverse events after the COVID-19 injection, including 6,985 deaths and 34,065 serious injury reports.

Of that number, VAERS noted that there are 186,196 adverse events for the Pfizer/BioNTech injection, with 2,403 deaths and 16,139 serious events.

Dano
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Dano
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

VAERS is not suitable for using for anything else other than a potential indicator of a problem. Even if you use the VAERS data without verification or correction it shows how effective the vaccine has been with extremely limited adverse events. As you noted, it has been over 30 years since the vaccine technology was first developed. I think it is safe to assume more work has been done. FInally, I am not sure why you cite the Wikipedia changes other than it highlights the potential inaccuracies in one way or another of Wikipedia and the danger in using it as a sole source for information on anything.

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2 years ago
Reply to  Dano

1% percent of cases are actually reported to Vaers according the Harvard study. There is no accurate reporting for the deaths and adverse reactions to this vaccine. They are unchecked and that is a huge problem. In all actuality the effects of the vaccine are much higher than are reported.

I hope the truth prevails. This by far is the biggest nightmare of a lifetime.

BB
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BB
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

This is false. Dr. Malone did not invent mRNA technology he just contributed to its early stage research, he has said this himself

“ UPDATE: Malone reached out to Logically, stating that he did not invent the mRNA vaccines, but instead the “vaccine technology platform.” He also presented us with copies of nine patents – none of which showed that he invented the mRNA vaccines. The judgment for the claim has not changed.”

https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd

^full article the quote is from. It’s surprising you can type out a whole comment and copy and paste information but can’t do a quick google search to confirm what you are regurgitating

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
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” It’s surprising you can type out a whole comment and copy and paste information but can’t do a quick google search”

Anybody with a room temp IQ can do a quick Google search and post a link to hack website like politifact, Adfontsmedia or logically (whatever the fuck that is) that promotes the lefts bullshit propaganda, that’s what a Google search does!

It doesn’t change change Dr. Malones contribution one iota. The left loves to quibble over semantics.

Without copying and pasting, you cannot, in your own words, explain what Dr. Malone’s contribution was, can you?

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bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  rollin

Dont worry, they are going to make a nice vaccine for the vaccines…. So you all have a shot to survive.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.13.435222v1

Bug on a Windshield
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Bug on a Windshield
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

“…you all have a shot to survive.” That’s punny.

You got one shot. No two. Ehhh, better make it three. Do I hear four?

Auntie Ovine
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2 years ago
Reply to  rollin

No. It’s anti vaxxers who waste huge amounts of everyone’s time by quibbling over words. They actually think themselves having a clever point saying things like “plandenic” or “scamdemic.” Or haggling endlessly over “with” or “from” covid. Or VEARS . Or just about everything.

As for understanding or Googling anything, the first few pages of any Google search are one anti vaxxer site after another repeating the exact same wording and the exact same lack of understanding. Which is scary as heck as it means an algorithm thinks that searchers want to see commonly repeated propaganda, not real information.

Bug on a Windshield
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Bug on a Windshield
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

You are absolutely correct about the algorithm, kinda. Everyone’s google search results are different. The algorithm tracks and remembers what you click on then gives you the results based on your entire history of searches. So, if you click on 9 links you don’t want and 1 link you do want, what do you think the top of you search list will be? If you want the list to show the stuff you want, then don’t click on the other stuff, though, it will take time for the algorithm to catch up. Another way is to get off google. They do not hide the fact they track you. I can’t imagine bing and yahoo are any better. Duck duck go, at least for now, claims they do NOT track, thereby giving you a somewhat unbiased search result. Also, clear your cache and cookies. Use a vpn, google it, : ). Search from different devices. Do random searches to screw with the algorithm.

I used to be a nerd, but by today’s computer standards, I’m just a wannabe nerd.

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

“Of that number, VAERS noted that there are 186,196 adverse events for the Pfizer/BioNTech injection, with 2,403 deaths and 16,139 serious events.”

Alberta, I thought the number of deaths on VAERS was over 13,000 in the USA?

http://vaersanalysis.info/2021/08/20/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-8-13-2021/

Isn’t it funny? The vaccine cult, who endlessly discredit VAERS (the only thing we’ve got), STILL cannot REMOTELY give you a number of deaths by vax and ignore the massive disparity between the reporting of covid shot deaths and all other shots deaths!

Bushytails believes it’s around 18. And that is based on nothing. Anyone else wanna inform us of the real number of vax deaths/serious injuries?

Didn’t think so.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  rollin

“Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine, but this does not mean the vaccine caused these deaths. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine. There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blood clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented.

After careful review of the additional data, doctors have decided that there is no evidence at all that the vaccines contributed to the other patient deaths. Nonetheless, the CDC and FDA will continue to investigate every single report of death (and other adverse events) reported to VAERS.” https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

“Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine,”

It’s after July, take note. And those aren’t the stats I see. Even if they were they’re high. And only a fraction of events get reported.

https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=AGE&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19&DIED=Yes

“Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine.”

Oh really, how are they doing that? Let’s see the data.

“There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots’

Only 3 huh? I feel safer already.

“doctors have decided that there is no evidence at all that the vaccines contributed to the other patient deaths”

Lots of doctors have said otherwise. So what!

As usual Kym Kemp you’ve said nothing other than copy and paste. You should stick to fires and car accidents; debating is not your strong suit.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  rollin

rollin, if I didn’t have to deal with so many uninformed or relentlessly determined on twisting the truth folks, I could reply thoughtfully but then…I rarely am writing comments for folks that make the ridiculous comments–few of those are capable of changing their opinion or apologizing if they are wrong.

I’m just trying to make sure besides the accurate information in the articles, there’s at least a bit of truth in the comment section with links to sites that can be trusted for those who might not read this site often enough to discern which commenters are just not worth reading.

And, I’ve realized reading your statement here that while reading healthy criticism is useful, nasty comments are not useful to anyone. So in the future, similar to the rule if the comment insults another commenter if the commenter insults me, I’ll be deleting the comment and eventually, if the insults continue, banning the commenter. Feel free however, to try to make a useful criticism, rollin, I’ll be sure to consider it.

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

“if the insults continue,”

This comment: “As usual Kym Kemp you’ve said nothing other than copy and paste.” is a statement of fact. You claim “accurate information in the articles”. Who made you the arbiter of accurate information? Many of us don’t trust the CDC, WHO, FDA, Faucci and other bureaucrats for what should be obvious reasons. Therefore, we post opposing viewpoints from vaccinologists, immunologists and bioethicists etc. Then you say you don’t have time to rebut. So no, given those facts, I don’t consider you to be a good debater.

The information on fires and highway closures is actually helpful. So yes, if you cannot, or don’t have time to debunk what many of us consider to be credible, accurate information, then why not stick with what is actually useful and helpful? That is uncontested, yet an insult to you. But your first paragraph insinuating that I am uninformed, relentlessly determined to twist the truth and making ridiculous comments, is not insulting.

THE FACT REMAINS: NO ONE knows how many people have died or have been seriously injured from these drugs and I’ve seen ZERO evidence of large-scale, in-depth investigations. Incompetent bureaucrats (redundant), lining their pockets is the reason we’ve been pissing money down a rat hole for 20 years in Afghanistan so forgive those of us, conspiracy theorists, who don’t trust that the CDC is carefully “investigating every single report of death (and other adverse events) reported to VAERS” just because they said so!

Common sense tells me not to take a drug whose long-term effects are INCALCULABLE and whose efficacy is waning BIG TIME!

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  rollin

rollin, Just to be clear, this is your idea of good debating? “Lots of doctors have said otherwise. So what!” ???

Yes, I definitely attacked back after multiple attacks from you. You have been warned. I won’t warn you again.

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
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“rollin, Just to be clear, this is your idea of good debating? “Lots of doctors have said otherwise. So what!” ???

The point is that a link from you stating: “doctors consider vaccine safe” is meaningless. I have given multiple links of other ACTUAL doctors, practicing immunologists (not lifelong bureaucrats), SAYING OTHERWISE, and the reasons why, which you are “too busy” to bother with.

“Yes, I definitely attacked back after multiple attacks from you. You have been warned. I won’t warn you again.”

Pointing out that aNOTHER copy and paste is useless and that fire and highway updates are useFUL is hardly an “attack”. If you are determined to find offense to justify banning me you will find it. You won’t be the first lib to get offended by an opposing viewpoint and eliminate discourse, it’s par for the course.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  rollin

Go somewhere else if you can’t respect Kym and her site.
No one is making you be here.
Talk about biting the hand that feeds you…

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

“Go somewhere else if you can’t respect Kym and her site.”

You can go somewhere else if you’d like. No one is making you be either. Feel free not to read my comments. I rarely read yours.

“Talk about biting the hand that feeds you…”

Huh?

Got logic ?
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Got logic ?
2 years ago
Reply to  rollin

It’s well over 12,000 at this point.

To trivialize those disabled or killed by these “vaccines” is rude.

And I’m with Rollin on this one. Seems no insult to call the counterpoints idiotic while regurgitating the PTB narrative of “nothing to see here” “only 3 linked” as gospel truth.

Disturbing actually.

Willow Creeker
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Willow Creeker
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

Cool story!

Percy vs Goliath
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Percy vs Goliath
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta
Results may vary
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Results may vary
2 years ago
Reply to  Kathy Srabian

Ooh. I got the vaccine. No side effects, like most people.
But the visuals of your petition play right into this nonsense. Businesses can offer their services to whoever they want. The funny thing about this protest so far was that it was a boogie-man issue. There were no new far reaching mandates yet! There’s some deeper than basic psychology at play here. Also deep ignorance. I’d tell people the obvious: don’t spit, lick you’re fingers, or go around people if you have no defense, or are sick…or wear a mask if you are afraid of the vaccine, but logic is not spread equally. Unfortunately trying an unenforceable “mandate” will not convince anyone not already vaccinated.

Ms Jane Doe
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Ms Jane Doe
2 years ago

Selfish, ignorant and thoroughly disgusting.

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Ms Jane Doe

“Selfish, ignorant and thoroughly disgusting.”

People who want to force others to take vaccines, many still experimental, with waning efficacy and unknown long term side effects? AGREED!

BonnieBlue
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BonnieBlue
2 years ago
Reply to  rollin

No. The obnoxious Covidiots, who have no concern for any one else’s health or access to hospital beds. Obviously.

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  BonnieBlue

“The obnoxious Covidiots, who have no concern for any one else’s health or access”

We agree then. People who are scared to leave their house and insist you wear a useless mask and avoid the gym are Covidiots.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  rollin

Your “talking points” are so last year.
No one is hiding in their house.
Masks work.
Get up to speed.

Ullr Rover
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2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

No, masks don’t work.

Most face masks won’t stop COVID-19 indoors, study warns

In brief:
https://www.studyfinds.org/face-masks-wont-stop-covid-indoors/

Full study:
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0057100

Geist
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Geist
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

“N95 or KN95 face masks may be the best way to avoid COVID-19 during crowded indoor events. ”

Literally the first sentence. You just cannot help yourself citing articles you didn’t read.

Ullr Rover
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2 years ago
Reply to  Geist

What percentage of people are wearing N95 masks? Perhaps you didn’t read it.

They even put N95 down around 60% and they make up a small percentage of everyday masks. And that 60% doesn’t account improper wearing, donning and doffing.

Read it and get back to me.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

So are you suggesting that no one wear masks?
That really worked out in Florida, didn’t it?
And Texas…

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

I’m sure there are other factors like: being told it’s ok to not wear a mask if you got the vaccinations. That may have had something to do with the current surge. Allowing international air travel hasn’t been helpful either.

Ullr Rover
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2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Death rates by state from coof:
#1 New Jersey
#2 New York
#21 Florida
#25 Texas (below the national average)

Apparently masks don’t mean a whole lot in the end.

http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

“That really worked out in Florida, didn’t it?
And Texas…”

Ya, it did. FL #21 and TX #25 and they didn’t destroy their economy and muzzle their children like rabid dogs. And you don’t see hoards of homeless tweekers shitting in the street, except in liberal Austin…..of course.

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Geist

“N95 or KN95 face masks may be the best way to avoid COVID-19 during crowded indoor events. ”

Ya, the kind nobody wears.

I love how the goal posts keep moving.

[Edit: Choose another name please]
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[Edit: Choose another name please]
2 years ago

I’m all for a vaccination passport to get access to hospital emergency rooms.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago

Yes, that’s it!
That’s the answer!
You’ve got it, totally!
The vaccine passport! Exclusivity!
It’s so simple it’s genius!
In fact, that is such a great idea, let’s take it a step further!
Those people are so troublesome!
🤔🧐If they don’t have a vaccine passport,then…
🤔🧐 Don’t even give them the vaccine!
That will teach them!
🤔🧐 It should have been that way from the beginning!
No one should have been given the vaccine, that hadn’t already gotten the vaccine! It’s so simple!

🧐🤔And those that have gotten the vaccine, and have gotten Covid19 requiring hospitalization anyway, should absolutely be welcomed to the hospital with open arms, the red carpet treatment even, because no one should be ostracized just because they actually believed the lie about the vaccine actually preventing infection and hospitalizations. Happy, Happy, Happy.

If the hospital was only overflowing with vaccinated patients, the hospital staff would clearly be perfectly happy,
totally content, and there wouldn’t be any issues at all with management, it would be back to the “happy go lucky” place it had always been in the days before Covid19. There were never any problems in those days, were there?

Scapegoat much?

And then, if that becomes unmanageable, just turn on those in the hospital that have been vaccinated, and refuse to provide proper care for them, because, after all, they were the foolish ones that believed the vaccine would keep them from any infection, in the first place, or they must have been so inferior, that the vaccine didn’t want to save them either, at all.

Just a few more St. Joe disqualifying conditions, and it will be nothing but perfectly smooth sailing in there, due to no one being allowed in at all.

That is the answer. Admit no one.

Piece of cake.

W
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W
2 years ago

So what I gather from this article is that pro choice people are really just anti abortion.
So people who identify as liberal are for mandating people to do something against their will?
And what about natural immunity? Are we just going to ignore that part of science?

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  W

Of course liberals are for mandating something against people’s wills. Duh. They choose government regulation as a cure for just about every social ill. But that is not the same thing as preferring people take reasonable precautions about spreading disease. Conservatives are just as likely to support that as anyone else. People like pigeonholing others. It saves energy in having to think, which way too many people find disagreeable.

Penny Pincer
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Penny Pincer
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Kinda like when you call others “anti-vaxxers?”

Results may vary
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Results may vary
2 years ago
Reply to  W

Natural immunity is great. Out of the billions of microbes living on or around you, only about 1,400 or so will kill you. Covid is one of them. It’s not as bad as Ebola, or Bubonic Plague at least, but its on the spectrum. Ebola has a harder time spreading amongst the population because nobody wants to rally with you when you’re bleeding out your orifices.

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
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Very good question W. 🤙

Alberta
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Alberta
2 years ago

GASLIGHTING AMERICA: Did the FDA actually approve a FUTURE covid “vaccine” from BioNTech that does not exist yet?

08/24/2021
By Ethan Huff

There appears to be a whole lot of confusion out there about which “vaccine” for the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) was actually “approved” by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) on Aug. 23, 2021.

While many mainstream media outlets quickly ran with the story that Pfizer’s existing mRNA injection for the Fauci Flu was given the official green light from the FDA, supposedly making it easier to mandate, others are saying that the FDA issued approval specifically to BioNTech, a German vaccine corporation, for a Chinese Virus injection that does not exist yet.

BioNTech, as you may recall, partnered with Pfizer to produce the current Fauci Flu shot that is being administered under an emergency use authorization (EUA). It turns out, however, that this is technically a different shot than the “Comirnaty” branded one referenced in the FDA’s recent approval announcement.

It would seem as though there is a mass mind control con taking place right now in which the usual suspects are peddling a confusing, if not false, narrative that the current Pfizer injection has received “full approval” from the FDA. So, what is the actual truth?

According to Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of messenger RNA technology, the official FDA documents do not indicate, based on his own reading, that full approval for the Pfizer injection currently in use has arrived. That, he says, is coming around 2023

Get your shot
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Get your shot
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

Hey Alberta
How about quoting an actual reputable reporter and not some drop out high schooler living in his parents basement.

Alberta
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Alberta
2 years ago
Reply to  Get your shot

Please be more specific.

Thank you.

Clear
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Clear
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

Ethan Huff, just like quoting Ron Paul. Just give it a rest, it is tiresome and pitiful.

Alberta
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Alberta
2 years ago
Reply to  Clear

It’s free speech.

Or, are you promoting censorship?

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

No. Only sanity. That is not censor ship- it is expressing disgust.

Mr. Bear
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Mr. Bear
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

Telling you your sources are ridiculous and wrong is not restricting your free speech

bearjoo
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bearjoo
2 years ago
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HE is right. My source is Pfizer.com…. all laid out in plain English.

Alberta is not in the mainstream media mafia owned by 4 corporations with interlocking board of directors….

Enjoy your tequila shots!

WTF
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WTF
2 years ago
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Your ignorance is astounding

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2 years ago
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🦰
🥋, ❎, ☑️⬆️,

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

Here ya go. Maybe this will clarify how the FDA processes a new vaccine. Clearly your information is inaccurate but I am sure that doesn’t matter. Now I am no Dr. Malone but I can read and comprehend something the doctor must not of done.

https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download

BB
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2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

Alberta, Dr Malone did not invent mRNA technology, he has stated this himself many times so whatever source you are getting that information from is misleading you

“ UPDATE: Malone reached out to Logically, stating that he did not invent the mRNA vaccines, but instead the “vaccine technology platform.” He also presented us with copies of nine patents – none of which showed that he invented the mRNA vaccines. The judgment for the claim has not changed.”

https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd

AA
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2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

Thanks Alberta. So Comirnaty was the one approved by the F.DA., and Comirnaty is different than the fauci shot?

Geist
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Geist
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

Your source is fucking awful. You people are scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to justify your horriffic antisocial behavior over the last year-and-a-half.
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/18/1893345/-Ethan-Huff-is-a-Prolific-Fake-News-Reporter-But-Does-He-Actually-Exist

Dont go to hospital if you get sick then
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Dont go to hospital if you get sick then
2 years ago

Well obviously you are male.
Equating that statement is ridiculous.
People do not have laws passed in states saying a citizen can arrest them and anyone who helps the person will be arrested for not getting vaxxed.
In Texas right now this is the new abortion laws.

Its kind of like equating the rules in our govt to the holocuast….o yeah.

To the antivax folks, jesus get your own lingo and symbols instead of stealing other folks. It just shows how lame your movement is and so like most christians, pick and choose what backs up their ideas.

I think all christian churches should be closed, they caused all the super spreader events.

Now we find out gospel outreach in eureka is a cult doing arranged marriages and lots of mind control sexual abuse on kids, and l wouldnt be surprised if the folks at this rally are their congregation.

So these folks are protesting vax while their own sexually assault children and abuse them and send them to their own non accredited schools with teachers who have no training.
Thats where these folks come from.
Disgusting. At the least the non profit status ought to be revoked from churches and the gospel outreach folks local businesses.ought to be closed down.
You christians are so evil its beyong gross.

And please if you want to be unvaxxed do NOT go to hospital, if covids not real why would you need to go? Die slowly at home,stop stressing health care workers.
You dont get to have it both ways. If youre unvaxxed stay home. Dont seek medical help please. God will save you right?

AA
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AA
2 years ago

The FDA Authorized Monoclonal Antibodies for Treatment of COVID-19, (according to FDA.gov).

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

They have monoclonal antibodies at St Joe but staff are too busy with unvaccinated covid patients to have time to administer the therapeutic to those it would help.

AA
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AA
2 years ago

Me. Squirrel, do you mean the children? Are they too busy with the unvaccinated children? Children under 12 can’t be vaxxed.

Auntie Ovine
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2 years ago
Reply to  AA

You mean the artifically created expensive drugs made by Big Parma that takes hours long infusions by medical personnel who have to have resuscitation facilities on site and that was licensed under the same EUA as vaccines and has mandated hand out about risks and side effects literature that is longer than that of vaccines and that studies showed still had a death rate of 1% (much more than vaccines?) And is doesn’t rely on the purity of a person’s God given natural immunity? Well if nothing else, anti vaxxers are very consistent in their lack of perspective. I suppose a drug to rescue them from their foolishness is a humanitarian good.
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-authorizes-regen-cov-monoclonal-antibody-therapy-post-exposure-prophylaxis-prevention-covid-19

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Yes auntie. If somebody is already sick, it’s worth a shot.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

Actually that is a point. Of course if you believe that covid is not worth the risk of vaccination in the first place and found that was a mistake, this would be your only option to just riding it out. It’s just surprising that anyone who has the same objects to the vaccine would go for it even then.

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

No auntie, there’s a 99% chance of survival without the vaxx for those under 70, but if you’re that 1%, if you’re sick it’s worth the risk.

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

Or…Ivermectin?

Seems to be working great in countries that still recommend it.

Eric Kirk
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Eric Kirk
2 years ago

The trivialization of the Holocaust over a medical policy is profoundly inappropriate and an insult to the 12 million who died in death camps during WWII especially the half of them who were Jewish. It’s fine to have your little tantrums over having to wear masks and be responsible towards others and relish in your Typhoid Mary antics, but to exploit the long history of pogroms against Jews for an issue like this is profoundly insensitive and in terms of impact anti-Semitic. I’m sorry but I have absolutely no patience for the ignorance of history displayed with arrogance.

If you really don’t understand how f—ed up this is, please read what the Anti-Defamation League has to say about it.

https://www.adl.org/blog/shocking-rise-of-holocaust-trivializing-yellow-stars-across-europe

Gimmie a break
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Gimmie a break
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Kirk

Yeah, instead of Stars of David they should have worn buttons comparing themselves to lepers.

Eric Kirk
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Eric Kirk
2 years ago
Reply to  Gimmie a break

Maybe a more appropriate comparison would be to wear a symbol associated with drunk drivers. They’re oppressed too you know!

Lepers and Jews have no choice.

Ullr Rover
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2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Kirk

You do know that the holocaust didn’t start with the gas chambers. That’s where it ended. It started with demeaning a portion of the population so they would be dehumanized and treated with disdain.

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2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

We are around 7 right now.

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  BearGrizzle

“We are around 7 right now.”

Part way into 8. When the CDC has the ability to let people live free in YOUR home, that is theft of property.

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  rollin

Correct rollin, part way into 8.

Auntie Ovine
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2 years ago
Reply to  BearGrizzle

No jew in Nazi Germany ever had the option of getting by wearing a mask or staying away from others as option. And getting a vaccine as an alternative to a gas chamber was never offered either. Stop play the victim over a choice.

Ullr Rover
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2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

They could of just left the country.

Violation of bodily autonomy comes in many forms. Death is just one.

Clear
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Clear
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

WHAT!!! Wow….I just can’t and won’t. Ridiculous and disgusting.

Ullr Rover
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2 years ago
Reply to  Clear

Read for nuance carefully. The first sentence is sarcasm.

Eric Kirk
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Eric Kirk
2 years ago
Reply to  BearGrizzle

Beargrizzle – are we talking about immigrants?

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
2 years ago
Reply to  BearGrizzle

Your 10 steps to genocide is proving that voting out Trump as president might of saved us all. Thanks, I did not realize how bad the republican conservatives almost destroyed this country.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  BearGrizzle

Bear, you might not be a good fit for this site. I’ve got a lot of tolerance but I don’t have to host anyone on my private website. COVID is still being understood so I provide room for people to talk out their issues but there is no doubt among reasonable people that the holocaust happened and I’m not hosting holocaust denial. I’ve deleted those comments.

BonnieBlue
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2 years ago
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Oh, thank you, Kym. That type of comment is extremely painful to read.

Eric Kirk
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Eric Kirk
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Ullr Rover – Show me the unvaccinated being beaten on the streets, sexually assaulted by mobs, the windows of their businesses broken, and their places of worship burned. Show me the mass exodus out of the US because of these oppressive “mandates” – the boats of unvaccinated refugees.

So far, the only violence I’ve seen came from anti-vaxers who attacked a reporter in Los Angeles on Sunday.

Ullr Rover
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2 years ago
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Just look at Australia and parts of Europe and Bill Gates saying the US should be more like Australia with the ‘rona. Bill Gates’ opinion should amount to a pile of shit, but money buys influence, and he has it.

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2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

That is the disingenuous cry of every questionable egocentric individual who objects to any regulation, just to imply their cause is really not as selfish as it looks.

onrust
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onrust
2 years ago
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I am beginning to believe that someone has invented a paranoia gas and has been spraying it all over Northern California and they have found a way to mix it with stupid gas.

Ullr Rover
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2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

It’s a slippery slope.

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Or a cliff.

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
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“please read what the Anti-Defamation League has to say about it.”

LOL! The same hack, left wing propaganda ADL that thinks Tucker Carlson is a racist because he, like the majority of Americans, is opposed to millions of illegals pouring over the border? Fuck the ADL!

People are being disallowed from entering public spaces and removed from organ donor lists ( a death sentence in many cases), so yeah, the star is WHOLLY appropriate.

Eric Kirk
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Eric Kirk
2 years ago
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The ADL came out in favor of immigrant rights at the border? Can you link me? I would love to see that!

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
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Yeah, Fucker Carlson is so misunderstood.
Boo hoo. Poor Tucker.

Eric Kirk
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Eric Kirk
2 years ago
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And the Holocaust deniers come out of the woodwork. Great.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
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The crazies bailed Loco because Loco isn’t buying their bullshit anymore. They are all here now. 3/4 of every thread is their lovely conspiracy insanity.

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[…] Ryan Hutson piece on Sunday’s anti-vax demonstration is now at Redheaded Blackbelt. […]

Herder
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Herder
2 years ago

The hospital beds for vaxxed only? This implies the vaxxed will be sick and need all the beds. Makes no sense…

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
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No one ever caught no-seatbelt-wearing from treating an accident casualty.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
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How many of the “ vaccinated “ have fake vaccinated cards? It’s about time someone asks.
Fake vaccination cards are going for 100$. They can even enter valid lot numbers into the database for you.
How many of the “breakthrough “ cases are these assholes?

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
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No kidding?

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

The government is good at creating mafia markets.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

So, how many of the “ breakthrough “ cases do you think are actually unvaccinated people with fake cards?

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Get ready for more fake cards if the current letter to the editor gets his way. The coerced are fewer in number than you might think.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago

Because the demand for the combination of no masks, no distancing and no vaccination means no respect for others, not simply demanding respect for themselves. It is not pro anything- it is anti everything. Pro choice as a right does not mean the right to walk up to strangers and give them a disease just because they don’t take it seriously. Might as well call themselves pro disease. Or pro conspiracy. Nope. Anti vaxxer is much more accurate.

Alberta
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2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Papers please = covid passport

Past Jew Segregation = Inoculated only

Masked = star

Before I hear howls from Jews, my best friend survived the Holocaust eating frozen potato from farmers field. Her family staved to death.

She sees the comparisons most vividly.

Legallettuce
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2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

It’s more like what the Jews are doing to the Palestinians than what the Nazis did to the Jews. If you had no papers in Nazi Germany you could be shot. No one is shooting anti-vaxers but if you are from Palestine trying to enter Isreal you won’t be allowed in like you might not be able to travel outside of the US. There is no comparison to not protecting your health and the health of others in using the star of David symbolism to Nazi rule it is overly dramatic, disrespecting and incorrect.

Homer
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Homer
2 years ago
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Legallettuce. It is remarkable how ill informed about Israel. Daily Palestinians have medical procedures in Israeli hospitals that save their lives. Two days ago a terrorist from Gaza shot an Israeli in the head. So please [edit] try to become informed about facts.

I do agree those wearing the Star of David pretending to be victims who faced the gas chamber, rape, starvation, mass hangings, and four day train rides to the death camps without water or food or toilets are the lowest form of ignorant Jew haters.

Auntie Ovine
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2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

The difference is that no one is born an anti vaxxer and has no other choice. They are not condemned based on their parentage. No one is denied access to vaccination. And anti vaxxers, despite the howls of outrage at being treated differently, inevitably have alternatives when they are not endangering others.

Deborah
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2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

For God’s sake, shut up. Shouting about something that isn’t true (Jews to blame for all ills of society) is exactly what the Nazis did and exactly what you and your sadly ignorant kind are doing. Doing that and trying to identify as the victims here is immoral and childish.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

Happy with yourself? This Star of David bullshit is Troll gold. I bet your heart skipped a beat with the new troll material this opened up for you.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Weren’t you just upthread chastising someone for pigeon holing people?

From what I read in this article I don’t agree with everyone at this protest about everything, nor do we apparently believe in the exact same best policy around covid, but I do agree that mandating medical interventions is wrong.

And before you go on and on about private business rights, let’s see how much of providence st Joe’s income is covered by payments from public entities.

check your facts
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check your facts
2 years ago

edit- the star of david is made of two inverted triangles creating 6 points. just saying.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago

Sorry. We’ve fixed the error.

ThinkFirst!
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ThinkFirst!
2 years ago

It’s possible to be in favor of vaccines, but against a mandate.
That is, everyone should choose to be vaccinated because it’s the right thing to do, but not because they were coerced.

To remain anti-vax while standing in the firehose of current science info can only be willful ignorance, and they should not be allowed to endanger others.
But a mandate just gives them one more layer to protest against.
Having to resort to a mandate is a symptom of failure of the social contract, but handwringing over this is a luxury we can’t afford right now.

That twisted misuse of the holocaust star is unspeakably offensive. Any sympathy I might have had for their point of view evaporated the moment I saw that.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  ThinkFirst!

Especially when self applied so casually.

cu2morrow
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cu2morrow
2 years ago

way to protect the herd

Frontlineworker
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Frontlineworker
2 years ago

The ICU is full, we are shipping people who need hospital care out of the area. Hospitals all over the nation are at capacity. Virtually everyone who is hospitalized for COVID-19 are un Vaxed. This is crisis is real, not some conspiracy to put something evil in your body. Get your shots or win the DARWIN award for killing yourself or a loved one.

DawnI
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2 years ago

“the five pointed Star of David”?
I have never seen one of those.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
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Our error. We’ve corrected it.

Jim’s Guest Is Someone Else’s Wife
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Jim’s Guest Is Someone Else’s Wife
2 years ago

Ryan Hutson… the Star of David is a six pointed star.

Interesting that possibly Gentiles and the”Anti-Defamation League” are up in arms about the use of the Star of David being used to portray marginalization.

Where were these types of people when Jews and other marginalized people were being put to death in Europe by the Socialist Nationalists?

Cmon man get real
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Cmon man get real
2 years ago

From the inventor of the mRNA gene therapy, Dr. Malone:

Malone – after YouTube deleted a video interview of him discussing the risks of COVID-19 shots – told Fox News’ Tucker Carlson he’s concerned that the government is not being transparent.

“I am of the opinion that people have the right to decide whether to accept vaccines or not, especially since these are experimental vaccines,” Malone said.

“This is a fundamental right having to do with clinical research ethics,” said Malone. “And so, my concern is that I know that there are risks. But we don’t have access to the data, and the data haven’t been captured rigorously enough so that we can accurately assess those risks.

“And therefore … we don’t really have the information that we need to make a reasonable decision.”

So there you go, who are you gonna believe, the Doctor who invented the gene therapy tech, or some uninformed neer do well posting as an expert who trusts Snopes and the MSM. I believe in real scientists and REAL SCIENCE. I rest my case.

PS: Alberta is right. The FDA approved vaccine is called Comirnaty, and is not the current Pfizer shot being administered. It is wholly different and the Pfizer shot will never be approved because it does not work and as Dr. Malone said, has potential risks yet to be determined. Good luck all you walking Fauci Beagles. There we go again, government lying

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago

When you find The Doctor who invented gene therapy, let us know. Even Malone himself denies that title. https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd

BB
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BB
2 years ago

This is false. Dr. Malone did not invent mRNA technology he just contributed to its early stage research, he has said this himself

“ UPDATE: Malone reached out to Logically, stating that he did not invent the mRNA vaccines, but instead the “vaccine technology platform.” He also presented us with copies of nine patents – none of which showed that he invented the mRNA vaccines. The judgment for the claim has not changed.”

https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd

^full article the quote is from. It’s surprising you can type out a whole comment and copy and paste but can’t do a quick google search to confirm what you are regurgitating

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago

The FDA is clear this is the same shot:

“The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty, for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older. The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.” https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/comirnaty-and-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine

Alberta
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Alberta
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Thank you.

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I think you are confusing “have the same formulation” to being the same jab.

“COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine have the same formulation and can be used interchangeably to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series.1”

The entire page seems to point to two different jabs. Even the title:

“VACCINE INFORMATION FACT SHEET FOR RECIPIENTS AND CAREGIVERS ABOUT COMIRNATY (COVID-19 VACCINE, mRNA)
AND PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE TO PREVENT CORONAVIRUS DISEASE 2019 (COVID-19)”

A jab cannot be “mandated”(for the military, for example) unless it is FDA-approved. But FDA-approved jabs come with more liability. Far from enough, imo.

This is clearly a PR scam to get more to shoot up with all those leftover jabs (EUA) WE already paid for as well as an attempt to legally “mandate”.

But are they clearly labeled which? Is there an expiration date for the old versions? Expect legal battles.

Nuttincowboy
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2 years ago

You’ve just gotta love this. 😂
In the middle of the worst COVID outbreak since the virus hit these rocket scientists are holding a super spreader event. 🙄🤪
I have no words for the unspeakable bigotry and ignorance displayed by that star.
My Pop started his walk across Europe 7 June, 1944 and those who think like that can be sure I’ll proudly follow in his footsteps here at home. 🤬

izzy
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izzy
2 years ago
Reply to  Nuttincowboy

Super spreader event?
Are you referring to Pelosi’s big unmasked fund raiser for the Dem donor$ in Napa last weekend?
Shoulder to shoulder at the banquet tables. Doesn’t look like they’re taking it too seriously.

thetallone
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thetallone
2 years ago
Reply to  izzy

Or maybe referring to Trump’s huge superspreader “Big Lie” rally, the biggest in Alabama history with 45,000 attending. Just the other day….in one of the states hardest hit by Covid.

Gimmie a break
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Gimmie a break
2 years ago

Funny how the left/MSM labels any conservative event as “super spreaders” and gives passes to massive BLM riots and most recently Obama’s 60th BD bash.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Gimmie a break

Being wrong doesn’t make something else right.

Triniboldticino
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Triniboldticino
2 years ago
Reply to  Gimmie a break

And right there you’ve got it completely wrong and play shift the blame. You don’t send your kid to school with the flu. Or with chicken pox. Why is that? This wasn’t a “conservative event.” It was a shit show by people that believe they have some bizarre Constitutional right to infect others. Simply because they voted for he-whose-name-should-be-banished-from-American-history. Twice. Real sharp.

Funny how the right/Fox/OANN, etc. labels any non-conservative event as “communist” or “socialist” promoting and gives passes to the morons that overran Congress on January 6th.

America is screwed. The mental health crisis has reached fever pitch and there’s no end in sight.

local observer
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local observer
2 years ago

using the word delusional would not be accurate. the US has a serious mental health crisis and it looks like our enemy has capitalized on it. in a nut shell – you have been brainwashed intentionally and we are on the edge of WWIII. well done fools this was exactly their intentions. as a consumer and employer, i plan to have no mercy for you fools.

Alberta
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Alberta
2 years ago
Reply to  local observer

Agreed.

This is a hybrid Informational War — no tanks just bio medical weapons.

People will shoot sh*t into their arm trusting their medical providers are doing them a favor,

and the copper graphene nano medical device will protect them, until the next variant is released,

informed consent forfeited.

But we have choise,

our Constitutional rights have not been usurped

yet.

Clear
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Clear
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

Have you actually read the constitution? Didn’t think so, your ignorance is showing. Quoting Ron Paul, Ethan Huff took you off all important radar. Unbelieveable.

Alberta
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Alberta
2 years ago
Reply to  Clear

Constitutional law is related to

authors you do not approve of,

how?

Clear
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Clear
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

Far too obtuse for intelligent comment. Find someone who cares.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

If only anti vaxxers didn’t consistently get facts wrong people might take them more seriously. The draw conclusions that even the misinformation doesn’t support.

local observer
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local observer
2 years ago

FYI – you tube is for entertainment and how to videos.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  local observer

YouTube is also where my reporters and I host our videos so that this website loads faster.

local observer
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local observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

is youtube aware of this? they must get some cookies out of the deal.

Jay
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Jay
2 years ago

Same dumb ass group of people who rallied with the highly offensive signs comparing masks with the muzzles used in slavery are now using the Star of David as a symbol of their oppression. Gimme a break. Care about your community and the drained, over worked health care workers and wear masks and get vaccinated!!

Martin
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Martin
2 years ago

Why does the Lost Coast Outpost keep showing these damn idiots? Keep putting their pictures up and they will continue to spread bullshit about getting your vaccine shots! I realize it is a free country, but these people are just not welcome by me. I guess they can’t read or they would realize the Delta virus is all over and it is killing people. Most of which have not been vaccinated!!!

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

This isn’t the Lost Coast Outpost.

Mr. Bear
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Mr. Bear
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Sir, this is a Wendy’s

Bill
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Bill
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

*Snort*
Took the words right off my fingertips!
I needed a laugh from this mobius strip of commentary!

Kym Kemp
Admin
2 years ago
Reply to  Bill

Snort!

Tim
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Tim
2 years ago

I am yet again reminded of the human talent for willful ignorance on display here.

Requirements for condition of employment are nothing new, not even for vaccinations. Choosing to be unvaccinated comes with consequences that limit your employability, just like choosing to consume cannabis may limit the jobs you can get.

As I’ve written before, choices have consequences.

thetallone
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thetallone
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Not only that, the way I read it you can either accept the vaccine or submit to regular testing. So not really a vaccine mandate. Am I missing something?

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
2 years ago

CDC found that “infection and hospitalization rates among unvaccinated persons were 4.9 and 29.2 times, respectively, those in fully vaccinated persons.”

Typhoid Mary can’t be allowed in our medical facilities.

farley
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farley
2 years ago

This is what happens to a society that has not seen actual hardship and oppression in more than a couple generations. One camp is on a witch hunt to seek out all forms of “unfairness”, while the other side is intolerant of any perceived intrusions on their right to do as they please.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  farley

Maybe, I can also see a group of people jaded from the constant lies fed to them.

Poster formerly known as Matt
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Poster formerly known as Matt
2 years ago

Freedom doesn’t mean free of consequences

izzy
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izzy
2 years ago

08/23/21

COVID › VIEWS
Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load, Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients, Co-Workers

A preprint paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group, published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.

By 
Peter A. McCullough, M.D., MPH

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaccinated-healthcare-workers-threat-unvaccinated-patients-co-workers/

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  izzy

Sometimes I think all anti vaxxers have dyslexia besides the usual carelessness on facts. The anti vaxxer site link reported on a preprint study that said Delta variant breakthrough cases- not all vaccinated people- carried a higher virus load than those who were infected with the Alpha variant the previous year. And blythly announced that comparison was to unvaccinated, not to the uninfected control group. Well, duh. Of course breakthrough cases have more virus load than uninfected. And it was not from the Oxford group, it was from The Hospital for Tropical Diseases in Vietnam. And it said they all recovered uneventful.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

“Sometimes I think all anti vaxxers have dyslexia”

Translation: now that my narrative of the vaccine being 96% effective is out the window, you’re delusional and an anti vaxxer.

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  rollin

👍

Jay
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Jay
2 years ago
Reply to  izzy

Izzy did you even read the study? I followed the links and this is what it said in the study : Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020. It DOES NOT say viral loads were 251 times higher in the vaccinated! It says that the viral loads are higher due to the Delta Variant compared with old strains. If you are going to site studies, you might want to start by reading the study. By the way the spread of the Delta Variant is in large part thanks to the unvaccinated which serve as a petri dish for the development of more virulent viral strains.

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Jay

Jay, the comparison is also between the jabbed and unjabbed. No jabs available during the “old strain” testing.

“Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020.”

What this suggests is that the jabbed carry a very high level of the delta variant compared with the unjabbed/older strains. No?

Why is there no study that simply compares the viral load of delta between the jabbed and unjabbed? 🤔

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago

Photos shot in public are public information. There is no liability for posting them.

JM
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JM
2 years ago

While I might disagree with these folks, I do believe they have a right to protest. However, Free Speech doesn’t mean you are free from consequences.

I’m deeply disturbed that these folks are protesting in the name of Healthcare Workers when NONE of them are healthcare workers. What a punch in the gut to the hardworking, caring, and devoted folks that we used to call HEROES (remember that?). They are working overtime in a filthy and overcrowded facility all for the sake of our collective well-being. Is this how we treat “heroes”?

Could you imagine twenty years ago if there was an organized protest by “Military Soldiers against the War in the Middle East” in front of a military base, and then there wasn’t anyone there who has ever been in the military and some random person wearing a halloween solider costume. It would never be tolerated – I don’t see why this is any different. It’s a farce and an insult at best.

The use of the Star of David is truly disgusting and vile, and those folks should be ashamed of themselves. The tragedy of the holocaust that killed MILLIONS of jews, queers, disabled, and other marginalized people isn’t material for public temper-tantrums, and it’s a blatant disregard for those directly affected by genocide. This only supports the argument that these anti-vaxxers have a total disregard for the people around them and no rational perspective on the severity of human tragedy such as this pandemic and genocide.

Ann
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Ann
2 years ago

These selfish ass people are seriously playing games with every single one of our lives like we have another one; like there’s some alternative way to stop the pandemic! There is no other way and there will be no other way to control this. Keep playing like we have endless medical care and renewable staff. The choices of these individuals are ruining it for everyone and we’ll all be paying the price indefinitely. And here they are whining like they’re the victim!! These fools wouldn’t know victimhood if it broke through their Facebook screen and socked them in their mouth. Post these pics in the ER so they know who not to make a priority once their turn comes for covid. Toxic individualism will be the end of us.

Misguidedyouth
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Misguidedyouth
2 years ago
Reply to  Ann

That is part of the problem, everyone wanting to be divided… Testing is and has been an important part of this whole thing… And all hospital patients who are admitted are tested regardless if vaccination… The fact that we’ve had a year plus to build up supplies and staff shows how detailed we have been by the politicalization of this whole pandemic. It’s a shame. But ally he judgement and hate really sux, from all sides. Love is love.

Mee
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Mee
2 years ago
Reply to  Ann

So if you get the vaccine and it works how does it put you at risk by others not getting it? Please explaine your logic?

When you speak of margnilized people you mean like you calling people that disagree with you idiots, low IQ and saying they should not be allowed their beliefs?

There are a lot of unknowns about the virus and the vaccine. It should be a choice for many reasons.

Many of the jews in WWII were used for medical expermints thus the star of david.

Many FDA approved drugs with far more in depth resesearh has been recalled due to problems. Look it up dont take my word for it.

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Mee

Me, not so far-fetched. At Exeter High School in New Hampshire, the unvaxxed students were marked with a number.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  AA

Both vaccinated and unvaccinated were given numbers. The unvaccinated were black numbers and the vaccinated were red.

Me
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Me
2 years ago
Reply to  Ann

Every single one of our lives?
Are you not vaxxed ?

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Ann

Sorry Ann, you haven’t been informed of other ways this can be handled? There are decisions made constantly and with each one there is path to other ways.

Maybe start with not allowing anyone- yep anyone – to stop wearing masks. But no, the desire to incentivize getting a vaccine or two was too important. Science be dammed!

What about reopening schools for hoards of unvaccinated kids who can’t wear a mask properly or observe basic hygiene. Allowing parents to not be stuck teaching their own kids was too important. Science be dammed!

What about reopening movie theaters and entertainment facilities this summer (mostly still going on)? Well these businesses are about to be bankrupt so maybe give them a break. Science be dammed!

I could go on and on. The hypocrisy is so overwhelming and the lack of hope outright depressing, but some people just can’t seem to envision another way which will never lead to a brighter future.

local observer
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local observer
2 years ago

2021 stupid is like hold my beer. that livestock dewormer is a known carcinogenic and a teratogenic compound. probably not as bad as chlorine though which would kill you instantly.

Unjabbed Guest
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Unjabbed Guest
2 years ago
Eric Kirk
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Eric Kirk
2 years ago
Reply to  Unjabbed Guest

Where an entire town just shut down due to a torrent of infections.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/23/us/texas-town-covid-outbreak/index.html

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Unjabbed Guest

Somehow it is unlikely the unvaccinated are going to make it into a protected class that is within the scope of the Governor ‘s authority. Especially since says right in the document that nursing homes are excepted, implying that there is a valid public health issue. And likely there is already a challenge in the works.

local observer
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local observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Unjabbed Guest

yet the first hospital in the US to mandate the vaccine for employment was in Texas and they fired about 125 employees out of 25,000 that didn’t want to comply. if you can’t do the math that 0.5% of the staff. FYI, the state government’s can’t create less stringent laws than the federal government but they can create more stringent laws.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  local observer

Local cannabis laws since 1996 would like a conversation with you.

local observer
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local observer
2 years ago

that was passed by the people not the government. you should do some more research.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  local observer

The government is an arm of the people. What do you think the difference is?

local observer
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local observer
2 years ago

the difference is putting it to a ballot vote vs an SB. you should do some more research.

onrust
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onrust
2 years ago
Reply to  Unjabbed Guest

Texas is more of a place that the complacent and stupid choose to inhabit along with vaccine idiots.

Nobody gets out alive
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Nobody gets out alive
2 years ago

“if they were to step foot into the ICU and see how many people are face down ass up”

I’d like to know exactly what this number is at the moment. Just how many people are in the ICU, face down ass up? The last figure I saw on ICU capacity for Humboldt County in spring of this year was FOUR ICU beds. How many ICU beds are currently in HumCo and how many ICU beds are occupied? If it is indeed four beds and they are full that represents .002% of HumCo’s population. If there are 10 beds, as there were in Dec. 2020, I believe, and they are all full that would represent .007% of the population.

“I personally wish people making the choice to be unvaccinated could also make the choice to be a ‘do not resuscitate’ or ‘do not intubate’ when they call 911. Do not waste resources.”

Do not waste resources? Are you serious? Last I checked I am paying the equivalent of a full-time salary for my health insurance. I am paying for these “resources.” If someone was driving their car above the speed limit and wrecks and ends up in an ER would this heartless nurse say the same thing? I sure as hell hope I never have someone caring for me in a health emergency that holds these sentiments.

to answer your question
Guest
to answer your question
2 years ago

Right now, there are 26 beds throughout Humboldt county’s 3 major hospitals, and more than half are at Providence St Joes. Redwood has 4 that they try not to use as much as possible. Pre-pandemic there were 22 but St Joes added 4 sub-par beds mid-December 2020, which helped cushion when we were in the state’s tiered system.

If you read Ryan’s previous article, they have brought beds up from Napa and are starting to double up in the ICU (i.e. usually there is only 1 bed and 1 patient per ICU room, they are started to expand to 2 beds/patients per ICU room) until this surge dies down, so to speak.

Providence pads the numbers as much as they can. If a patient isn’t in the bed for 24 hours, they don’t have to report it, for instance. So the ICU can be full, but they can report 2 empty beds if 2 people were discharged and then 2 more admitted.

Also there are a number of folks getting sent out of the area of intensive care when other hospital are willing to accept them. Santa Rosa has started turning away most transfers.

And there’s also the unspoken problem of Respiratory Therapist shortage. CDPH dictates that there should be 1 Respiratory Therapist per 4 ventilators and that simply isn’t happening most of the time right now, which compromises the care of sedated covid patients on ventilators.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago

Yeah, these quotes read terrible. Sure these people have stressful jobs. Maybe the quotes are out of context. That happens all the time. I will say they don’t help convince people on the fence. Sounds like they need a different job.

AA
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AA
2 years ago

Thank you to all of you protesting the vaccine mandates, and for reminding people that the vaxx is a choice.

It’s a choice.

Get if you want it, don’t get it if you don’t want it.

Some of the protesters were nurses.

Nurses, highly trained health professionals protesting a mandated vaccine.

If anybody knows about the covid vaxx, it’s nurses, nurses protested mandating a vaccine.

If you want 30 covid vaccines get them, if you don’t want the covid vaccines, don’t get them.

Eric Kirk
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Eric Kirk
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

Actually, none of them identified themselves as nurses. One woman wore a lab coat as a costume. The closest person to a health care worker identified was a woman who works in the member services department for Open Door.

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Kirk

Ok Eric, but they still have the right to chose and the right to stand there and hold a sign about it.

Eric Kirk
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Eric Kirk
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

I’m not disputing anyone’s right to protest or hold a sign about anything. But it doesn’t appear that any nurses were present, nor anyone who deals directly with patients in a hospital.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Kirk

Really, Eric Kirk?
What difference does it make? What is the issue?
The issue is Nurses, etc., facing termination over refusing an injection they don’t feel comfortable with.

Did they need to protest?
Or does it speak louder to the issue that it was community members concerned enough with the sanctity of the nurses personhood that they did the actual protesting?
Pro bono representation let’s say. That’s real dedication to justice, I would say. Right?
Although I object to it as well, and I think the use of the star of David was in poor taste, and it is a misrepresentation,
you are strongly objecting to the use of a symbolic shape.
That is a much more petty concern, in comparison to the issue at hand.

Are you outraged? Can you not understand the nurses position?

It’s the nurses that face an injustice, not those that are offended by the Star of David’s display, or it’s perceived misuse.

What if you were told to just put up with it, and had to have that badge literally pinned into you, more than once, and on a regular basis, or you would be terminated if you did not allow it.

What would you do?
Would you protest?
Submit?

Wear it proudly?

Quit your job.

It’s a most serious issue.

It doesn’t sound like the administration there is very considerate of the staffs legitimate concerns.
They do not own the staff.

And overwhelmed hospitals are not a new phenomenon.

Winter, 2018, was the same.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  AA

To my knowledge, there were no actual medical people (ie nurse’s aides, nurses, doctors, etc) that assist at a patient’s side attending as a protester.

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Ok kym. Whoever they are, even if you laugh at them, they have a right to get the vaccine or to not get the vaccine, and they have the right to hold a sign about it.

After all nobody knows the long term effects of the covid vaccine.

That’s what these people are worried about.

Peace to you.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  AA

AA, I’ve already said I support the right of people (no matter how foolish I believe them to be) to choose not to get the vaccine. I also support the right of employers generally to protect themselves from litigation by requiring their employees to follow best practices. And somewhere in there is a wobbly line that is going to be hard to parse…Should employers whose employees work from home be allowed to require vaccinations? (That seems wrong to me). But somewhere between a single caregiver to a homebound elder being required by their employer to vaccinate (I’m for it) to the worker from home that never interacts with anyone else is a line that needs to be parsed and I haven’t figured it out yet.

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Sounds reasonable Kyme.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

As usual, you confuse criticism over grossly inaccurate pronouncements with losing rights. You have the right to spout such nonsense. You do not have the right to silence other people’s criticism of it.

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

auntie, how did I silence anybody?

Mr. Bear
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Mr. Bear
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

You have a comprehension issue

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Bear

mr. bear, what are the long term effects of the covid vaccine?

Come on tell me?

If you can’t tell me that, you have a comprehension issue.

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

Crickets from mr. bear.

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

👍

Unjabbed Guest
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Unjabbed Guest
2 years ago

Holes in reporting of breakthrough Covid cases hamper CDC response

The agency originally tried to track all infections in vaccinated people, from mild to severe. But in May it decided to focus on the most severe cases.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/25/cdc-pandemic-limited-data-breakthroughs-506823

Liar liars, pants on fire.

Me
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Me
2 years ago
Reply to  Unjabbed Guest

No shit huh …..?
Well that certainly skews the data …

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Me

Correct me, that does skew the data.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Unjabbed Guest

Oh get over yourself. If lying really caught pants on fire, anti vaxxers would all be burn unit. The CDC had lost its way as a non politicized public safety agency a couple of decades ago. But they are still so much more liable than anti vaxxers that they are the sun compared to glowworm underground in terms of science.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Illuminating.🧐 But linear?☀️vs🐛?
🤔That does sound totally focused and substantiated. And isn’t totally unconcise. Not precisely tangential, either. Provax wins the day. Bravo.
Perfectly reasonable and logical. Link? Evidence please? Source?

I saw that Politico article as well.
A real eye opener. Or, it should be.
I figure that is one of the many things that are sticking in all the
pro-jabbers’ craws. (Jaw-dropper,
Slack jaw type, surprise news, font).

Their foundations are so crumbling.

It must be a really rude awakening.

Time for them to totally lash out.

Lots of bad news for the projabbers, but Fauci just goes mad full throttle.

Throwing caution to the wind, even amidst all the warning signs, boldly.

Maybe it would be best if our top health advisor, Fauci, wasn’t leading us like he was the kamikaze, but trying to get the rest of us to all just volunteer to go first, and take all the shots.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Don’t you think this politicization with the CDC is a major source of problems? I thought there was only scientific facts coming from the govt and politics was left out of this?

Oh wait, it’s been political all along and that could be the cause of people’s problems with how this is all being handled!

Thanks for demonstrating the weaknesses of your tireless work trying to speak truth into the universe.

Eurekan
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Eurekan
2 years ago

Isn’t it Humboldt County Sheriff’s Master Chaplain Andrew Broese Van Groenou driving POPOREV?
Possibly also works at Costco and owns Broese’s Uniforms?
A Sheriff Chaplain supports his family member by driving them to an anti mandated vaccine rally?
Now, that’s job security!

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Eurekan

Oh boy. I always thought the vanity plates were a bad call!

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Eurekan

That’s who that is? Really?
A chaplain? Giving his wife a ride to an event in support of the rights of health care workers?

I am totally in support of that.
Absolutely.
That’s a great cause.

If that is his wife heading to the protest, they both have just earned my utmost respect.

Hopefully he is about to park the car and join her.

Good for them. More power to them.

Ice
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Ice
2 years ago

You know, if us who want people to wear masks are wrong, some people had to wear masks. If the antimaskers are wrong, people die.

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Ice

You are welcome of course to believe that.

Studies since the 50’s show a different picture.

Dana
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Dana
2 years ago

It seems many believe that one that chooses not to be vaccinated is an anti-Vaxxer and I think that’s ridiculous. What about natural immunity or for those waiting to see long term affects, longer than 6 months or so?

And to those that think one should wear a do no resuscitate sign due to being unvaccinated is horrendous. This area loves narcan, maybe all the junkies should wear the same signs. How many lives does a junkie deserve? Should drunk drivers be turned away for medical care for their “negligence?” Or what about drug addicts who have heart attacks? Alcoholics with cirrhosis or cancer? And I understand some of these situations do not “harm” others the same one might argue Covid-19 does but that’s ridiculous especially for those abused physically and mentally by alcoholics and drug addicts. Plus doctors and nurses are exposed to tons of life threatening diseases everyday, they chose that occupation with the known risks.

I’m all for anyone that wishes to be vaccinated to do so and for those who choose not to, that’s your choice as well. I do believe in taking precautions. I think the correlation of “anti-vaccine” and being careless isn’t always true. I’ve taken many precautions including following mask mandates, social distancing, etc. but over time after being exposed and knowing many that contracted it, many that needed to go get tested to even confirm it and then just drink fluids and rest… I have just come to the conclusion we need to move on. Too many are facing financial hardships, losing businesses, their livelihoods, savings, their whole future due to this. And I can’t help but wonder who is profiting the most? These pharmaceutical companies are making tens of billions of dollars while politicians (both sides, dems and republicans) are playing on the emotions of their constituents for a power grab. Enough rambling for now. Hope everyone stays safe and healthy. Eat good, exercise, get fresh air and be around good people to keep your mind happy.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Dana

Yep these efforts at quasi science based pandemic policy are futile.

Every death is a tragedy, but since the destruction and carnage (from the lockdowns, wavering politics, and now public shamming turned physical threats, etc) can’t be measured as precisely as covid deaths, they aren’t relevant?

Hysteria is taking over as hope begins to fade. Dangerous times no doubt.

BonnieBlue
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BonnieBlue
2 years ago

Screw those loathsome anti-Semitic assholes for appropriating Jewish stars for their fake ‘oppression’. And when they get sick, and fear death, and there are no hospital beds available, let them know—they have truly screwed themselves.

Misguidedyouth
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Misguidedyouth
2 years ago
Reply to  BonnieBlue

Getting sick does not always imply fearing death.. stop watching the damn news!

BonnieBlue
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BonnieBlue
2 years ago
Reply to  Misguidedyouth

Pfftt…..I don’t watch the news. Stop making those misguided assumptions, Misguided.

If non-vaccinated people with Covids get sick enough to go to a hospital, it’s because they’re afraid they’ll die from the virus. With a shortage of beds and healthcare workers, anyone seriously ill with anything could needlessly die. You don’t think people are afraid of dying from a treatable, or worse, preventable disease, due to clogged hospitals? Time for a reality check.

JackBurton
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JackBurton
2 years ago

Paul Pitino god bless.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago

Six million Jews were murdered. The Nazi and their fellow fascists forced Jews to wear that identifying six-star badge.

The people who are comparing themselves to the Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust are really…well the unkind words I would use would get me in trouble with Kym (as is her right).

Aside from the gross insensitivity of using the yellow star, there is nothing to compare to the Holocaust. These protestors should be ashamed.

Martin
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Martin
2 years ago

Oh gawd

Kurt Russel
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Kurt Russel
2 years ago

It’s horrible

Kurt Russel
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Kurt Russel
2 years ago

How could anyone say that.

Snake Plisken
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Snake Plisken
2 years ago

Yeah…nothing can ever be compared to that horrible event…ever

Exposer of Assholes
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Exposer of Assholes
2 years ago

The man who made the buttons and is too cowardly to say his name is Howard “Gabriel’ Day. He owns Peace Resource Project.
Here is contact informationL
https://peaceproject.com/contact-us/