Letter Writer Argues that America Is Responsible for the Derna Drownings in Libya
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Two weeks ago cyclone Daniel swept across northern Africa. In Libya it obliterated two dams above Derna, sweeping way the Libyan city, and drowning unknown thousands of people.The dams were built by Muammar Ghadaffi, who was born a goat-herder, near Derna. Rising through the military, he engineered a successful coup in 1969 against colonially-appointed King Idris.Gaddafi was a socialist. He nationalized oil and kicked out US military bases. He redistributed property, ended homelessness, established women’s equality and wage parity, free university education, and doubled wages. He built hospitals, eliminating malaria and TB. He created the largest water system in the world from the Nubian aquifer. He supported the Arab and later the African Union, and socialist groups around the world. Libya became the most prosperous country in Africa.Because of his policies the US and NATO were hostile to Gaddafi. Like many world leaders who fear assassinations or overthrow, Ghaddafi, recognizing the probability of colonial interference, curtailed civil liberties. He was accused of terrorist acts. In 2011, rebels, supported by the US and NATO, captured, sodomized and butchered him.Gaddafi maintained the Derna dams during his administration. They would not have broken if he had been in power. Today Libya is in total collapse. Thus, our government, eternal escort of chaos, again burdens us with responsibility, this time for the Derna drownings.It’s hard to forget the gaiety of Hilary Clinton who chirped parodying Julius Caesar, “We came, we saw, he died!”Indeed….and sobering, to recognize yet again the terrible people we choose as our leaders.Ellen E Taylor
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a bit of a stretch to blame Biden/obama for this. Forty year old dams, poor maintenance, extreme rainfall. You could make the same claim for Venezuela.
Honestly, a well developed fantasy is a rare find these days…
You are a treasure, and I suggest you keep on raving because even my wife was cracking up after I read this aloud to her, and stated:
“Who the fuck wrote this shit?”
Really, very entertaining! Two thumbs up!
The U.S. bears responsibility for the continuing chaos in Libya, just as it does in Iraq. But Gaddafi wasn’t the benign leader imagined by the letter writer.
Gaddafi suppressed civil liberties from day one and was responsible for numerous acts of terrorism, including flight 103/Lockerbie, before later becoming a U.S. ally against terrorism.
Yeah we don’t need to pretend that Gaddafi was some saintly figure to recognize that our government had no business removing him and we now bear some responsibility for the mess created there.
We need to learn to allow people to live in ways they choose. Even if it interferes with the ambitions of our military, financial, and business interests.
The most dangerous government actions in the world are when the interests of do-gooders align with the interests of opportunists. It is a surprise that a person who has made it clear that the government sent his version of good people to prison and demands that prisoners are owed government rehabilitation and society’s assistance should also say “We need to learn to allow people to live in ways they choose” while demanding assistance. Oh well, the tortuous pathways of people’s self interest are a never ending reminder that even people’s abuse of others can find a way to justify itself.
Yes, i believe in making an effort to make ammends. If I hurt someone, whether through malice or ignorance, I feel a responsibility to aid in their recovery from the harm I caused.
I hold my government to the same standard.
And in both cases I find that the need for amends to be made is minimized by respecting people’s autonomy.
It’s not that complicated, but I realize that you have some sort of need to criticize in all of your communications. It doesn’t seem like a pleasant way to live, but it’s your choice.
Yeah, who cares? Time for the US to concentrate on the US. If the people of other countries don’t like the job their leaders are doing, they can do something about it without our input or our money. Proof positive in this letter why the CIA and the State Department needs to go bye-bye.
Now, let’s get our border secured, eliminate our own socialists, Marxists, and bloated bureaucracies and Make America Great Again!
Eliminate? Are you advocating violence?
You looking to create the idea in order to leverage it in comments for your own use?
How would you interpret the phrase “eliminate our own socialists, Marxists…”?
Voting them out of office? Pointing out they look silly?
So when the Nazi’s called for the elimination of the Jews, that’s what they meant?
The author is correct about one thing. Hilary Clinton is indeed a terrible person.
Who cares?
Maybe the thousands of people who died and the tens of thousands whose homes and livelihoods were destroyed.
Probably also the many enslaved people trafficked in Libya’s markets and also probably the Europeans for whom Libya has become a major launch point for boatloads of migrants straining their souther port cities.
The region was much better off with a stable and prosperous Libya.
Until the oil supports ran out, if anyone could be persuaded that it was ever “stable and prosperous” at any point.
It was, by far, the most stable and prosperous nation in the region for nearly 2 decades.
And people act like imperialism is over, and that were just giving Ukraine weapons because democracy is such a great system.
Or act like they are not repeating the Russian Party line. Maybe Obama’s way was best- soothing words, tactical ignoring and unilateral use ofnpower.
Maybe a progressive can explain why, being so anti USA past interference in other Countries, they are so pro USA interference in Ukraine.
Ukraine was invaded.
In 2014 Victoria Nuland was eyeball deep interfering in Ukrainian elections.
So YouTube says. That reference, like Russia’s propaganda, is 99% disingenuous misinformation headlined by 1% truth.
YouTube?
or
February 6, 20144:23 PM Updated 10 years ago
Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ukraine-tape-idUSBREA1601G20140207
Victoria Nuland: Leaked call shows US hand on Ukraine
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26089450
The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made
Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
https://truthout.org/articles/the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made/
Enough or do you need more?
May you can show your references.
Her language was the embarrassment. Not her power. That was the BBC and Rueters article. Truth out is one of the most questionable sites for facts on everyone’s radar. That particular article was a reprint from a man suffering from repeated strokes towards the end of his life and was 99% opinion at that. None of it is fact except she had a hissy fit and used undiplomatic language and didn’t like the Russia installed puppet in Ukraine at the moment. Again correlation is not causation. The only facts connected to Nuland in the article is “For her part, Nuland passed out cookies to anti-Yanukovych demonstrators at the Maidan square, reminded Ukrainian business leaders that the US had invested $5 billion in their “European aspirations,” declared “fuck the EU” for its less aggressive approach, and discussed with US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt who the new leaders of Ukraine should be. “Yats is the guy,” she said, referring to Arseniy Yatsenyuk.”
Even the most damning allegation in that artcle was cookie passing out and touting a favorite and it doesn’t qualify as “engineering a coup. The worst that can be said is she didn’t help. And he accuses her of being a right wing “neocon” at that.
A coincidence, I’m sure … Wed, September 27, 2023
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Wednesday offered an “unreserved” apology in parliament after the legislature publicly — if unwittingly — celebrated a Ukrainian World War II veteran who’d fought alongside the Nazis.
The incident last week during a visit by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has shaken Canada, prompted the speaker of parliament to step down and triggered diplomatic turmoil.
“I would like to present unreserved apologies for what took place on Friday and to President Zelensky and the Ukrainian delegation for the position they were put in, for all of us who were present,” Trudeau told lawmakers.
“To have unknowingly recognized this individual was a terrible mistake and a violation of the memory of those who suffered grievously at the hands of the Nazi regime.”
The Canadian leader was referring to an embarrassing incident that marred a visit by Zelensky last week, sparking an uproar that led to the resignation of the speaker on Tuesday.
The Ukrainian president was in Canada as part of a tour to bolster Western support for his country’s struggle against Russian invasion.
https://news.yahoo.com/canada-pm-offers-unreserved-apology-212315515.html
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Canada’s House speaker resigns over inviting a man to Parliament who fought for a Nazi unit
LA Times
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/canadas-house-speaker-resigns-over-inviting-a-man-to-parliament-who-fought-for-a-nazi-unit/ar-AA1hiY6o
Maybe ask Lindsey Graham, one of the leading progressives in the U.S. Senate? Oh, he’s not a progressive?
Only morons attempt to distill every issue into a political litmus test.
Although Muammar Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein were brutal tyrants they were also forces for stability in a volatile part of the world. Saddam and later Gaddafi were also bulwarks against Islamic extremists. And Iraq and Libya were the most cosmopolitan societies in the region with equal rights for women.
But the big diff, whereas in Iraq and Libya the U. S. worked to overthrow the established governments, in Ukraine we’re supporting the government in their efforts to repel a Russian invasion. The situations are not comparable.
I don’t have proof, but suspect Lindsey & John were arms dealers, also eyeball deep in insurrections.
Well, you’ve never needed proof for your unfounded suspicions and assumptions. And when one is knocked down, as just happened here, you move on to the next.
Plenty of Photos, look it up.
Azov Nazi Battalion. 98 year old Ex Waffen SS Ukrainian Nazi honored by Trudope upon Zelensky visit to Canadian Parliament a week ago. That is until they got exposed for the dirty deed. Now, that old Nazi may be involuntarily going to Israel care of the Mossad. Gotta love the Mossad as they are serious folks on a serious mission to bring old Nazis to justice.
Modern Nazis, let that sink in and ask yourself, what is the current Biden regimes and Rinos fascination with utilizing Nazis to fight Russia? Same old game, same old people. Heave ho, the Nazis gotta go —. Ukraine, Azov Nazi Battalion proudly wearing their uniforms, and the current trolls in power in the good ol USA supporting and funding Nazis. No wiggle room leftists because everyone hates Nazis except apparently your leaders. Shoulder shrug, huh? Yep. Now go get that oat milk triple soy latte from …..in your Prius with the Ukranian Nazi flag sticker in the window…..while patting yourselfs on the back for supporting another “good” war in a far away place, sure in your thinking the Nazis will never show up at your door. I wouldn’t count on it.
Send your donations to the Mossad so they can bring modern Nazis to justice as well.
I like this comment because I love the dark irony. And yes- Ukraine does have some serious Nazis and they are fighting against Russia. Putin- although yes he is bad man-was not completely lying about that. People who love the DEMs generally hate to hear that truth. They cannot deal with the nuances of the real world. And they are easily frightened and distracted, manipulated because of their tunnel vision…They are like the new “Moral Majority” who can only handle one side of the story as unequivocal truth and everything else is evil and wrong. It’s sad that we have become a nation of such morons….
There’s a vast difference between skinheads are in our army and anyone who fights against the US is fighting against skinheads.
The vast number of people talking Nazis and Ukraine are conflating the two as if all Ukraine is pro Nazi. Which is demonstrably wrong. Zelensky won with over 70% of the Ukrainian vote and he’s Jewish.
I agree that like many countries, the US and Russia included, Ukraine needs to deal with xenophobia and right wing extremism. https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/the-facts-on-de-nazifying-ukraine/ But that doesn’t mean that Ukraine is pro Nazi as a whole.
The ones I see not dealing with the nuances of the real world are the ones acting as if some Nazis in the Ukrainian Military means the Ukrainian military are Nazis.
Interference is when they don’t want you. Assistance is when they do.
Will you be for sending in US troops if they ask for that?
Grant Shapps to ramp up support for Volodymyr ZelenskyUK to boost training for Ukrainian soldiers, and Navy may help protect grain vessels
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/09/30/grant-shapps-to-send-uk-troops-to-ukraine/
And I’m not sure who requested In 2014 Victoria Nuland’s assistance on the elections, do you know who it was?
I am not on Russia’s side, but neither do I want to see US troops in Ukraine, yet that’s where we’re headed.
The British are now saying the quiet part publicly and out loud:
The Telegraph – In an interview with The Telegraph, [Defense Secretary] Grant Shapps said that he had held talks with Army leaders about moving “more training and production” of military equipment into Ukraine. He also called on more British defence firms to set up factories in Ukraine.
Following a trip to Kyiv last week, Mr Shapps also reveals that he has talked to Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, about how Britain’s Navy could play a role in defending commercial vessels from Russian attacks in the Black Sea.
Both moves would mark a significant escalation in the UK’s involvement in defending Ukraine against Vladimir Putin’s onslaught. Speaking in his first newspaper interview as Defence Secretary.
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The Telegraph has a paywall.
Do you Believe Biden, given 4 more years, wouldn’t send in US troops if invited?
Nuland was not the gray eminence you make her out to be. Her visits and words created sheer speculation by the conspiracy ridden YouTube. Correlation is not causation.
July 15, 2015
As the Ukrainian army squares off against ultra-right and neo-Nazi militias in the west and violence against ethnic Russians continues in the east, the obvious folly of the Obama administration’s Ukraine policy has come into focus even for many who tried to ignore the facts, or what you might call “the mess that Victoria Nuland made.”
Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs “Toria” Nuland was the “mastermind” behind the Feb. 22, 2014 “regime change” in Ukraine, plotting the overthrow of the democratically elected government of President Viktor Yanukovych while convincing the ever-gullible US mainstream media that the coup wasn’t really a coup but a victory for “democracy.”
Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland, who pushed for the Ukraine coup and helped pick the post-coup leaders.
To sell this latest neocon-driven “regime change” to the American people, the ugliness of the coup-makers had to be systematically airbrushed, particularly the key role of neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists from the Right Sektor. For the US-organized propaganda campaign to work, the coup-makers had to wear white hats, not brown shirts.
So, for nearly a year and a half, the West’s mainstream media, especially The New York Times and The Washington Post, twisted their reporting into all kinds of contortions to avoid telling their readers that the new regime in Kiev was permeated by and dependent on neo-Nazi fighters and Ukrainian ultra-nationalists who wanted a pure-blood Ukraine, without ethnic Russians.
Any mention of that sordid reality was deemed “Russian propaganda” and anyone who spoke this inconvenient truth was a “stooge of Moscow.” It wasn’t until July 7 that the Times admitted the importance of the neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists in waging war against ethnic Russian rebels in the east. The Times also reported that these far-right forces had been joined by Islamic militants. Some of those jihadists have been called “brothers” of the hyper-brutal Islamic State.
Though the Times sought to spin this remarkable military alliance – neo-Nazi militias and Islamic jihadists – as a positive, the reality had to be jarring for readers who had bought into the Western propaganda about noble “pro-democracy” forces resisting evil “Russian aggression.”
Perhaps the Times sensed that it could no longer keep the lid on the troubling truth in Ukraine. For weeks, the Right Sektor militias and the neo-Nazi Azov battalion have been warning the civilian government in Kiev that they might turn on it and create a new order more to their liking.
Clashes in the West
Then, on Saturday, violent clashes broke out in the western Ukrainian town of Mukachevo, allegedly over the control of cigarette-smuggling routes. Right Sektor paramilitaries sprayed police officers with bullets from a belt-fed machinegun, and police – backed by Ukrainian government troops – returned fire. Several deaths and multiple injuries were reported.
Tensions escalated on Monday with President Petro Poroshenko ordering national security forces to disarm “armed cells” of political movements. Meanwhile, the Right Sektor dispatched reinforcements to the area while other militiamen converged on the capital of Kiev.
While President Poroshenko and Right Sektor leader Dmitry Yarosh may succeed in tamping down this latest flare-up of hostilities, they may be only postponing the inevitable: a conflict between the US-backed authorities in Kiev and the neo-Nazis and other right-wing fighters who spearheaded last year’s coup and have been at the front lines of the fighting against ethnic Russian rebels in the east.
The Ukrainian right-wing extremists feel they have carried the heaviest burden in the war against the ethnic Russians and resent the politicians living in the relative safety and comfort of Kiev. In March, Poroshenko also fired thuggish oligarch Igor Kolomoisky as governor of the southeastern province of Dnipropetrovsk Oblast. Kolomoisky had been the primary benefactor of the Right Sektor militias.
So, as has become apparent across Europe and even in Washington, the Ukraine crisis is spinning out of control, making the State Department’s preferred narrative of the conflict – that it’s all Russian President Vladimir Putin’s fault – harder and harder to sell.
more
https://truthout.org/articles/the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made/
How Ukraine is supposed to pull itself out of what looks like a death spiral – a possible two-front war in the east and the west along with a crashing economy – is hard to comprehend. The European Union, confronting budgetary crises over Greece and other EU members, has little money or patience for Ukraine, its neo-Nazis and its socio-political chaos.
America’s neocons at The Washington Post and elsewhere still rant about the need for the Obama administration to sink more billions upon billions of dollars into post-coup Ukraine because it “shares our values.” But that argument, too, is collapsing as Americans see the heart of a racist nationalism beating inside Ukraine’s new order.
Another Neocon “Regime Change”
Much of what has happened, of course, was predictable and indeed was predicted, but neocon Nuland couldn’t resist the temptation to pull off a “regime change” that she could call her own.
Her husband (and arch-neocon) Robert Kagan had co-founded the Project for the New American Century in 1998 around a demand for “regime change” in Iraq, a project that was accomplished in 2003 with President George W. Bush’s invasion.
As with Nuland in Ukraine, Kagan and his fellow neocons thought they could engineer an easy invasion of Iraq, oust Saddam Hussein and install some hand-picked client – in Iraq, Ahmed Chalabi was to be “the guy.” But they failed to take into account the harsh realities of Iraq, such as the fissures between Sunnis and Shiites, exposed by the US-led invasion and occupation.
In Ukraine, Nuland and her neocon and liberal-interventionist friends saw the chance to poke Putin in the eye by encouraging violent protests to overthrow Russia-friendly President Yanukovych and put in place a new regime hostile to Moscow.
Carl Gershman, the neocon president of the US-taxpayer-funded National Endowment for Democracy, explained the plan in a Post op-ed on Sept. 26, 2013. Gershman called Ukraine “the biggest prize” and an important interim step toward toppling Putin, who “may find himself on the losing end not just in the near abroad but within Russia itself.”
For her part, Nuland passed out cookies to anti-Yanukovych demonstrators at the Maidan square, reminded Ukrainian business leaders that the US had invested $5 billion in their “European aspirations,” declared “fuck the EU” for its less aggressive approach, and discussed with US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt who the new leaders of Ukraine should be. “Yats is the guy,” she said, referring to Arseniy Yatsenyuk.
Nuland saw her big chance on Feb. 20, 2014, when a mysterious sniper – apparently firing from a building controlled by the Right Sektor – shot and killed both police and protesters, escalating the crisis. On Feb. 21, in a desperate bid to avert more violence, Yanukovych agreed to a European-guaranteed plan in which he accepted reduced powers and called for early elections so he could be voted out of office.
But that wasn’t enough for the anti-Yanukovych forces who – led by Right Sektor and neo-Nazi militias – overran government buildings on Feb. 22, forcing Yanukovych and many of his officials to flee for their lives. With armed thugs patrolling the corridors of power, the final path to “regime change” was clear.
Instead of trying to salvage the Feb. 21 agreement, Nuland and European officials arranged for an unconstitutional procedure to strip Yanukovych of the presidency and declared the new regime “legitimate.” Nuland’s “guy” – Yatsenyuk – became prime minister.
While Nuland and her neocon cohorts celebrated, their “regime change” prompted an obvious reaction from Putin, who recognized the strategic threat that this hostile new regime posed to the historic Russian naval base at Sevastopol in Crimea. On Feb. 23, he began to take steps to protect those Russian interests.
Ethnic Hatreds
here @
https://truthout.org/articles/the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made/
America has been a voluntary tool of other countries for well over a hundred years. Who exactly is the “they” referenced and the “want”? The Spanish American War has become imperialism in the Progressive lexicon while sending arms to Ukraine is assisting? That war ith Spain started out with the same intent of assistance. Arms are not enough. An exit plan is imperative.
You’re twisting truth like Hot Coffee! The U.S. was not “assisting” Spain in the Span-Am war, but attempting to drive them out, using the Maine as a pretext. Again, no comparison to Ukraine.
Both you and Guest make accusations, but neither of you show any evidence for your opinions at all.
It’s all just cause you say so. hump!
Neither do you. Repeating someone else’s dubious opinion is not proof. And I have reference Nuland’s testimony in the Congressional Hearing along with other information but it makes no dent in the persistent conspiracy theories. Almost always my comment is “You don’t know that. In fact it is unknowable. ” to no effect at all. That is not opinion. That is anti- opinion.
No, the US was “assisting” the Cuban revolutionaries in gaining freedom from Spain under the cover of “protecting US interests.” Where has that phrase been heard before? Anyway do some reading about the popular, especially popular with the press, push for assisting the downtrodden revolutionaries of Cuba from imperial Spain.
In fact, the press has done such manipulations forever. I remember the stories about the Iraqi invaders in Yemen (?) killing babies in incubators and politically deported Iraqis with their horror stories of torture and murder and weapons of mass destruction and thinking that the press was creating an acceptable excuse for US military action out of really dubious claims from people who have a vested interest in lying.
The Maine was no different. It still is debatable what caused the sinking of the Maine, yet the liberal academia and advocates only mention it was a misinformation to support US imperialism. Spin is in. Caution is out. And certainly calling out the US for imperialism is very, very in at the moment.
Bush did a nice job on that Kuwaiti incubator story, I wonder how that congressional report reads.
We also “assisted” the Shaw of Iran, how did that work out? We still hear Death to America today.
As Biden releases Billions, why now?
Biden just gave Afghanistan a fortune in military weapons, that was some nice “assistance” to the Taliban.
We’re also “assisting” millions of people crossing the border, from any country that wants to send people.
How do you think that will turn out.
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My great grandfather was an admiral in the US Navy in the Spanish American war. He was the official naval historian of the conflict.
Have any of y’all ranting about it, using it as evidence to support your view ever read a contemporaneous account? I seriously doubt it.
BTW my grandfather fought in the Spanish American War but he was no admiral.
Unfortunately for that little bit, yes I do. I have a contemporary magazine with a story about the Spanish American Maine incident. A quote from it “The Peninsulares regarded themselves as entitled to a political domination over the Insulares as natural as that exercised by the white men of out Souther States overhear seven million negro fellow citizens ; and their methods of insuring (sic) their supremacy were as ingenious and unscrupulous as anything yet devised in Louisiana or Mississippi. “
I know the history well, thank you.
The plain meaning of your previous post is that the U.S. was “assisting” Spain in the same way that the U.S. assisted Iraq and Libya. Check your writing style, but don’t blame me if that’s not what you meant.
Sorry you misunderstood. I guess it depends on whether you equate Ukraine with Cuba and Spain with Russia in the simile.
The misunderstanding is yours, including your flawed simile.
The U.S. intervention in Cuba, just as in Iraq and Libya, was to overthrow the established government.
But in Ukraine we’re defending the established government against the Russian invasion. Now do you see the difference?
I have to agree. There was no point in killing Gaddafi at that point in his reign, he was no longer a major source of mischief, he was a minor nuisance (at worst).
When interfering with other countries, the law of unintended consequences rules.
Agree. This also applies to Iraq, a 10% Sunni and 90% Shia country, where we took out Saddam, a Sunni, and mortal enemy of Shite Iran, and put the Shias in charge of Iraq. What could go wrong?
Yup. The are still fighting over feudal inheritance… a couple thousand years ago.
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>”Sunni Muslims believe that the Prophet did not explicitly declare a successor. Shia Muslims believe that the Prophet publicly designated his cousin and son-in-law, Hazrat Ali, as the first in a line of hereditary Imams from the Prophet’s family to lead the community after him.”
Such pagans. Still lost in the past.
Pretty sure that Paganism will get you into some pretty hot water (or oil) in traditional Islamic cultures.
Amazing that our elites learned nothing from Iraq.
Elites is a misnomer for politicians.
Doing nothing is also a choice. Hitler rose to power with that one. Learning seems very selective everywhere.
Like radical Islamic violence in the west never happened? Like Europe and America are not flooded with immigrants fleeing their own nation’s failures and bring their wars with them?
That I agree with.
If you watch PBS, the US is also responsible for the Holocaust. Add Mount Etna erupting since the start of time, and cyclones hitting Bangladesh, and (fill in disaster, no matter how tenuous the connection to the USA) Some people just have to bear guilt, and then spread it around, if you refuse to accept it, then it’s YOUR FAULT.
Others can’t accept responsibility.
“Gaddafi maintained the Derna dams during his administration”…
Did he? Once again I see the letter writer whitewashing a dictator. (I do not disagree that the US has meddled in other countries. But, Gaddafi and Putin, as before, are not just “victims” of US imperialism as the letter writer wants to believe.)
Anyway, back to the dams.
When hydrologist Abdul Wanis Ashour began researching the system of dams protecting the eastern Libya port town of Derna 17 years ago, the peril facing residents was already no secret, he said.
“When I gathered the data, I found a number of problems in the Derna Valley: in the cracks present in the dams, the amount of rainfall and repeated floods,” he told Reuters. “I found also a number of reports warning of a disaster taking place in the Derna Valley basin if the dams were not maintained.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/they-knew-fury-libyans-that-warnings-went-unheeded-before-flood-2023-09-15/
Libya was bombed in 1986 by the US, but in 2011 it was NATO forces that overthrew Gaddafi…
Honestly, a lot of these shitpot African countries have been through some changes, and the Middle East is a bedlam of crazy history:
Just read the history of Bahrain!
Libya is a good place not to be born. Please make a note of it!
America, on the other hand, just keeps making the same mistakes, over and over…
A Libyan Guy was executed for the Lockerbie bombing, so maybe it was a good idea to take out their leader after all, but it wasn’t us! I swear!
Not disagreeing, but who was executed and when?
I thought Kadafhi’s biggest crime was his attempts to get other nations off the US Dollar as an international currency. Hilary sure showed him! Evil witch probably paid extra so they’d sodomize him before chopping him up…hey -maybe after also! She is one sick creature…
She sure has a history, going all the way back to Vincent Foster.
Par for the course in a kakistocracy. They have no choice but we vote for it.
BS.
So weird how the left has become the party of military intervention..
Don’t blame me, I’m just a right wing peacenik
You left out the bombing of the jet over Lockerbie Scotland that killed a whole lot of people.
Hitler built great highways and Mussolini got the trains to run on time.