[UPDATE 5:37 a.m.] ‘We don’t know where to go’: Caltrans and CHP Cleared the Greenbelt in North Eureka Again Yesterday
A group of people ousted from the Jungle yesterday try to decide where to go. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
Gathered belongings, tents and tarps line the street. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
A parcel map shows the area of the Jungle, between Myrtle Avenue and West Avenue, with the neighboring greenbelt along the northbound Highway 101. The top right corner is shown here as under the control of the State of California.
While the Humboldt County Office of Education has been clearly opposed to allowing people to camp on their property, other owners have been less concerned with removal of trash or people, which was the case with the westernmost corner of the greenbelt area along Highway 101 on a piece owned by the State of California. That is, until this week, when Caltrans’ (which is tasked with California’s highway maintenance) workers equipped with hazmat gear, and officers with the California Highway Patrol arrived to clear campers from the property, after giving those in the area roughly a two-day notice, according to those we spoke with at the scene.
Video by Ryan Hutson
In the midst of piles of personal belongings, tarps, tents, and clothing, those that were pushed out yesterday rearranged their things and debated amongst themselves about where to go – maybe to an available shelter bed if possible, or to a hotel room if someone they knew had one, or more likely, to a different greenbelt area in Eureka. The options were limited, according to those who were ousted Thursday morning.
Friends helping move stuff… [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
A wise, older pup gets comfortable as things are shuffled and organized by his owner. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
She told us that campers had been given a two day warning. Although she declined to be interviewed on camera, she explained, “We don’t know where to go… I have my little, my old dog here, and I can’t go to the shelter with him.” Saying that she and her neighbors were looking for a church that might offer services, the woman added that they would make their way up the street to the Salvation Army for a meal, but beyond that, they had nowhere to go.
As the City of Eureka, Humboldt County government, and community stakeholders continue to look for options to address chronic homelessness and its plethora of complicating factors, many unhoused community members are pushed from greenbelt to greenbelt. Although the “cycle of homelessness” continues to keep outreach services as well as trash-pickers busy, many of the unhoused and unsheltered in Eureka tell us they are simply moved from place to place with few long-term solutions offered.
![With about ten people sitting near the perimeter of the marshy property amidst their possessions extracted from the wetland, they asked if there was a local church, or another shelter in Eureka which might have available beds and accept dogs, while they collectively pondered where to go, how to get there, and what to do now that they were ousted. [Photos by Ryan Hutson]](https://kymkemp.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/image6.jpg)
This dog, along with about ten people, sat near the perimeter of the marshy property amid a pile of possessions extracted from the wetland as his owner and others pondered where to go, how to get there, and what to do now that they were ousted. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
UPDATE 5:37 p.m.: After a full day of rain, about half the items there this morning are gone.
Rainy day after crews moved inhabitants from the Jungle. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
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how about we provide them with at least the min. amount of dignity and set up refugee type camps where they can be more organized, supervised and assisted? how about putting dumpsters where they can access them and how about porta potties? seems to me, helping them help themselves would be more productive than simply moving the problem around.
Most of these ideas have been tried before. The city set up Porta poties before just to have them burned and vandalized. Humboldt is a pretty bad place to be homeless. The only thing keeping most here are the above average amount of programs and services available for such a small area
Well, the programs and that many of them are from here.
Minimum amount of dignity? That’s the problem, you think that’s up to you. It’s not, that’s their own personal decisions staring them in the face. The fact is there is options for them, they just don’t allow pets or open space drug use like these camps do. No matter how much you think your bleeding heart will cure these people all it does os enable them and create more of them……
A majority of these ppl have mental problems and are very low functioning. Most probably didn’t have stable upbringings either. This notion that they can and should pick themselves up by the bootstraps is a fantasy and show a total lack of understanding or empathy. Just sayin.
“Suspence” comment response: So tired of this bs. GET OVER IT. The world is under too much pressure
GET A JOB OR GO. No excuses. Get off the dope
Go where?
[edit] I became homeless when I was a victim of a terrible crime, and then developed cancer. I don’t use drugs other than cannabis which is doctor prescribed for my cancer. I’m in housing now but it took 4 years to get here. I can’t work so there is no way for me to make the money it takes to pay $1500. a month for afkn efficiency. I’m an old woman on social security I worked my ass off for 50 years to pay into this system. But YOU… you need to be homeless for awhile so you can understand it better. Because you clearly don’t understand it at all
LOTS of room in Arcata! Arcata loves the homeless!! Just like Arcata loves the illegal aliens and all of the downtrodden. Because Arcata is super-duper compassionate and progressive and better than those other places!! The homeless should all move to Arcata and pitch tents on the athletic fields, in the woods and on those huge lawns of those rich people up Diamond Dr. and the top Of California Ave. They have huge yards just sitting there empty!! You can be sure there will be many progressive-minded compassionate people making sure the city council tells the police to leave them alone and they will never be swept out like this…
Seems obvious, better for them, better for us, better for the private property owners they squat on. Maybe we can even help some of them to get back on track with a normal life.
It’s been my experience watching people, that when you lose your home or rental, your possessions, and your self-identity there may never be a “going back” to a normal life. Then, drugs come into the equation, and people use them to forget and kill the pain. They may turn into marauders and thieves to just get the next meal or fix. It can be a neverending cycle. It can happen to anyone. We’re all just a lawyer away.
So true. It makes me think of the old saying: “there but for the grace of God go I”.
Where’s the money coming from? Emptying trash bins and toilets regularly. Who is diagnosing their mental states of being and what about treatment. Back on track? You’ll need a shower and a hair cut to even get a job interview. The federal government needs to get involved on a national level and recreate the institutional system that used to be in place for ppl in this situation, otherwise nothing will change.
But we have billions to get involved in a proxy war with russia. And billions to invest in charging stations for EV s that we dont have electricity to power. Nor minerals to make batteries for. Over 100 billion vanished ( nobody can calculate the actual number of billions) for covid relief. I personally know ppl that got debit cards for their business that was a front for pot. One payed off his hellcat with it. Our vets are last in
Line. Our elderly are last. But we help millions of illegals with aid medical care etc etc etc. theres plenty of resources. To help this issue its just being stolen by politicians and their donors. Oh the hi speed rail? Never happened. The depot in cloverdale never saw a train
I’m not saying there isn’t enough money, I’m asking where is it going to come from? There is currently no political will to resolve the issue. I wish there was.
“Sometimes to be sympathetic to imbalance is to sink the boat.”
One could easily be homeless and NOT trash up the land they live on. Sometimes people don’t want help, they prefer a life with zero responsibilities.
The pursuit of the fix disregards normal living standards
Start giving supplies to the minimum wage workers who can barely afford their bills. Stop giving to problematic people who continue to ruin the county. Common sense.
I agree wholeheartedly. Every 6 months or so the powers that be, uproot people who have just gotten their camp ready for the weather we have and take everything away from them. How can they move up or forward if they have to start from scratch, over and over again? The stress alone is killing people that are only trying to survive e.
Our Board of Supervisor and law enforcement should look at the depression and the “Hoovervilles” thT Americans lived in.
Put people in parks with dumpsters and basic hygiene. One or 2 people could go from park to park to remind people to kindly pick-up after themselves, or to mediate disputes.
I believe that given time they will appointment a “Mayor” for each park. Then given a little more time we will be seeing them getting jobs or doing fund raisers to help each other out and off the streets.
Aa place to call home where you KNOW that you won’t be thrown out like garbage is the place to start helping people hel
p themselves. A HAND UP NOT A HAND OUT.
HELP NOT HARRASSMENT.
LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
Common sense people!
All these people belong in jail. Most are drug addicts and criminals and felons probably wanted in 3 states with a rap sheet a mile long. If you don’t want to be a productive member of society and follow the rules then you don’t get to be a free range jackass at the taxpayers expense.
That’s a short sighted view of the situation and society as a whole. Get out and get a new perspective. Fox News has just one side of the story.
They have to find a property to do something like that on.
Porta potties aren’t ideal for a lot of reasons, I think permanent bathrooms like the kind they have at state park campgrounds would be better – non-flammable brick construction and stainless steel toilets.
Just kicking the can down the road again… but remember TANSTAAFL. There is a price for everything. And we heard many times about doctors and others fleeing the area. At one time Eureka was safe enough we didn’t lock our doors except at night.
Eventually, if you allow it, you get people like the lunatic who killed Sheriff Cox or the people who defecate on the sidewalk and leave needles everywhere in San Francisco, Portland, and Seattle..
By the way, it is not fair for the homeless to steal other people’s land.
It is also not right for the rest of us to just look the other way. Folks need s place; but it should not be on taxpayers to provide it because government cannot really do compassion. Churches and other benevolent organizations are helping those who want help; but demanding to be allowed to steal land because “I have a dog” is arrogant. Folks who want to stay homeless are not healthy.
Humboldt County used to round up transients, dry them out on the County Farm for 30-90 days, give them new clothes and bus ticket to wherever they wanted, outside the County.
Now that they’re fed, given clean needles, and have someone else pick up their garbage, the “homeless” in Humboldt County are pretty damned brazen.
Homelessness is actually a medical condition.
Homeless people have HALF the life expectancy of housed persons.
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2023/02/07/1153827864/this-doctor-wants-to-prescribe-a-cure-for-homelessness
It’s a terminal condition.
More pie in the sky, money will fix it unreality. It’s true that there is not nough affordable housing. Especially for people who earn nothing. And it’s also true that it is cheaper to house people in an apartment than a hospital. What is not true is that all that needs to be done is provide an apartment. The government would be required to provide an apartment with plumbing that works after a mentally and/or drug addict tries to flush a shirt, has non stinking heating after a person pees into a heating vent, a kitchen that is replaced after the resident burned it down, security for other residents when one starts attacking others because they looked at him the wrong way, etc etc etc. Then hires a lawyer for a class action suit because their residences are not maintained properly. Thry will sue if they don’t
Get rid of the trouble makers and the trouble makers will sue if they do. Then the good doctor in your linked article complains about people who are likely to be these people’s neighbors protesting about housing there.
Hello! While it makes fodder for the media, the reality is that free roaming mentally ill drug addicts make piss poor dangerous neighbors. The bottom line is that protecting the freedom of people whose lives revolve around drugs and insanity is a whole lot harder than giving them a decent place to live.
Good.
Homelessness, and the shortened life expectancy that goes with it, is the predictable result of untreated alcoholism, drug addiction and mental illness, not the cause of it.
The mental illness and lack of opportunity since childhood is the cause in most cases. You really think most of these ppl are smart and grew up in high functioning middle class house holds? The booze and the drugs is what brought them down? That is naïve at best. Haven’t you ever handed some of these ppl change or a few bucks and looked into their eyes? I see a lifetime of shitty circumstances and struggle. What about your childhood made you heartless and lacking empathy?
At some point, we will have to contend with the fact that empathy has only made the situation worse.
Agree . It’s beyond cruel to hand out needles,allow squatting in dangerous deplorable conditions so u can be seen as ” a nice person”. Fixing addiction requires hitting a bottom.
Severe mental health conditions require medication, hospitalization frequently not what the patient wants. And criminals preying among them require consequences. Big ones.
empathy: the psychological identification with or vicarious experiencing of the emotions, thoughts, or attitudes of another.
I really don’t think this is the problem. And many ppl, like Anon here, don’t seem to have a firm grip on the definition.
It becomes far more difficult to problem solve if we are only able to view issues through a perception of empathy. “The booze and the drugs is what brought them down? That is naïve at best” – yes, drugs and booze are major contributors to the crisis, but your empathetic perception forces you to undervalue individual agency(not empathetic) and overvalue circumstance(empathy), both are issues that need to be contextualized together
I work part time at a smoke shop. You wouldn’t believe how many meth pipes we sell daily ( not my choice) , paid for with your hard earned donated crumpled dollars and handfuls of change. YOU, are emblematic of why the problem gets worse .
Yeah, I’m always seeking out the tweeky looking ones to help out.
Haven’t you read the stories about family members who are looking for a brother, sister, mother,rather, uncle or aunt who was drug addicted and homeless last seen around Eureka? The main information is they are worried about their relative. But another piece of information is that their relatives, who likely shared the same background, are not homeless. And they frequently mention the lost relative’s mental illness too.
Notice no one ever says the people looking for their homeless relative are homeless too? In other words, the same “lack of opportunity” as you ascribe as the reason for homelessness and addiction did not create it for their relatives. Frankly, while miserable circumstances can lead to homelessness, it usually doesn’t. Many, many people have “shitty” circumstances and don’t become chronically homeless while some with every advantage do.
No, I think you are wrong. You think you know but you don’t. This is a link to an NPR story about a man who left a large inheritance to to charity even though he was homeless. https://www.npr.org/2009/07/27/111091624/homeless-man-leaves-behind-surprise-4-million
While I have never known a millionaire homeless person, I did know one who social services was trying to get on SSI but she wouldn’t cooperate. Eventually she was persuaded and signed some releases so bank account records could be used to verify eligibility. Turned out she had close to $100,000 in savings. What her thinking was in preferring to live on the streets rather than use money she knew was there for her, I don’t know. I do know that no one knows the real story behind most of the people you see living on the streets. Usually not even the people themselves. But I can say that it is rare for just circumstances to cause chronic homelessness in this place and time. It is a problem carried inside the person.
As I’ve stated repeatedly, yes, booze, drugs and mental illness are the root cause of about 90% of chronic homelessness. Very few are people down on their luck and trying to rise back up. The money you hand panhandlers is keeping them locked into their untreated disease. Your self-serving generosity may give you the warm fuzzies, but it’s killing the people you’re handing money to.
And yes, I’ve handed money to homeless people and looked in their eyes. But with very rare exceptions it’s only to people who I know are trying to clean up their act and escape homelessness. I’ve also housed people who were homeless. Can you say the same? Who is heartless? Someone like me trying to help people exit homelessness? Or ignorant people like you helping them dig their graves with your self-serving so-called generosity?
And I’ve offered jobs to some who seemed capable of entry level work on condition they be prepared to show up clean and sober on a daily basis. Not one ever followed through. The harsh reality is these folks are not dying from being homeless. They are firing while homeless but as a direct or indirect result of their underlying issues – issues which make it difficult or impossible for them to get housed or get jobs.
I work in medical field and have yet to see anyone admitted with diagnosis of homelessness. Can you enlighten me as to what the treatments and cure are?
And there is a documented 80% bias against elders and men, homeless or wealthy…
Young people want older people to just die…
Don’t know where to go where you should go?
Joe public wants you to go away… And take your dog… Oklahoma, or Alabama… Mississippi!
I don’t think anyone in America is entitled to complain about stolen land. We are all living on stolen indigenous land.
Hmm… I paid (and continue ) a life time of labor for that stolen land. So forgive me if I dismiss that bit of self righteousness for what it is worth. I blame the people of the stone age for their relentless acquisition. Developing writing, farming, exploring, etc. Otherwise we would have no guilt. We’d just eat the losers in aby conflict or at least only have to tolerate them at the margins like wild animals.
Hello! No one has a tribe without intending to keep others from taking their territory. If you are a member of a tribe, indeed you are part of the problem of ownership
No not stolen, conquered.
Give yours up. I paid for mine. Every single month. On time for. 30 years. Thats what separates ppl. Discipline. Get up and go to work. Every day. It adds up to success over time. Sleep in and you will be poor drink and do drugs will expedite your demise
Thank you for saying it clear and true!
Couldn’t agree more!
Why didn’t the property owners get a notice to abate public nuisance? Seems like a lot of garbage strewn about in sensitive wetland habitat. They are lucky the CDFW and water board didn’t join the raid. Why doesn’t the county treat property owners harboring the trash filled homeless camps the same way it treated to those who they claimed to be growing cannabis? It seems like there is more environmental damage in a lot of the bum camps than on some of the alleged grower’s properties. Why isn’t there equal application of law?
Now that would be a show. Owners put in the position of demanding te police clear out homeless to avoid being fined for allowing it. Wonder where that would end up?
I encourage you to check out the previous article related to property stewardship, but to answer your question about an abatement notice in this case, this particular part of the greenbelt is owned by the State, and managed by Caltrans… so, most likely, the action this week was prompted by calls for service to the area, in this case.
Most of those priority owners have been complaining about this issue for decades. Pretty much any more police don’t even respond to trespassing or vandalism calls in those areas.
“claimed to be” “alleged grower’s”
I was just growing tomato’s, honest.
“Emergency Camping” and being evicted from state-owned land, as with this particular parcel and instance, is hardly an attempt to “steal other people’s land” and should not be confused with ‘squatters rights’ in any way. Just wanted to clarify.
That is so wrong!!!
Arrest people,(children?) And ship them out of county because they arehomeless?
That my friend is against the law. We have a moral obligation to our neighbors an countrymen. Those people will be fighting to defend America while you sit in your ivory tower. I wish you everything that you deserve. And I wish the same for the homeless.
Go to Newsoms doorstep. It’s his problem.
That’s a pretty short view of history. You want to base your actions on actual conditions right? There were no homeless five, ten years ago? What helped cause the great depression in the thirties? “Liberal” government programs? Or the un regulated greed of the Gilded Age? The WPA employed destitute people on public works projects. Now we award lucrative contracts to connected companies for stuff like trails, and road work. Newsom was born rich, is rich, and was married to Kimberly Guilfoyle, now DJT Jr’s wife. Your “Socialist” is part of the same elite that Trump’s always grasping to get into!
That’s a pretty concise viewpoint.
Is also very basic and not even 5 percent of the actual history . The same mistake made them are still being made today.
https://www.history.com/news/great-depression-causes
That’s what humans do. Mistakes.
Hmm… ever heard of vagrancy laws? And the Lanterman Petris Short Act? The civil legal activism of the 1960s and 1970s lead to that double hit to the previous limiting civil rights in the name of public order. So, if you consider those things to be Socialism, then, yes, socialism was the root of the issue. Tolerance is always a two edged sword. It objects to limiting humans behavior by limiting access to social good. Whether that activity increases or decreases the good. And there you are.
https://time.com/4199924/vagrancy-law-history/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanterman%E2%80%93Petris%E2%80%93Short_Act
They haven’t married yet. He’s probably rethinking the 10 year age gap and why he’d marry such a loser. She may be thinking the Sam thing. LOL
Drugs and bandaid govt are most of the cause. I have no empathy. I want them gone from here. Has nothing to do with Trump or Guilfoyle. She was at least smart enough to get way away from Newsom. Most of these folks dont want to work. But I agree the problem predates his reign.
Well said….. these folks don’t and won’t work. They are able bodied, but want the hand out instead of being responsible.
Mostly they want to avoid being told what to do. And even more, what not to do. That is not the same as not working. Scrounging can be hard work. I think everyone has seen someone on a bike with giant bags of cans on it, wobbling along to the dump for some cash. Ring cameras catch video of people walking around neighborhoods in the wee hours of the morning, looking to take stuff to steal and sell. Or standing in line at the soup kitchen every day. Or even pushing a stolen shopping cart filled with everything they own all day while looking for a place to stay. That is not lazy. Some of us would not be able to physically do it. Not that laziness is not a part of the problem. It is a problem for most people, working or not.
But it is avoidance of regular employment that interferes with impulse. Sometimes that avoidance is very hard work. There seems to be a mental disconnect in understanding that can not tolerate even small irritations that everyone experiences working and also can’t see tolerating that as a way to avoid the inconveniences of a homeless life style. Maybe it’s habituation that stops them questioning their own choices. Maybe drugs. I don’t know. Bad choices, when choice is available, are a constant
Yes, send them to Ross CA in Marin. They can be crazy junkies in his backyard
SF, San Diego, Santa Cruz, Malibu, Sacramento, LA. Buy ’em bus tickets.
All those places will win the shipping battle because they have a larger population. Do you know how imported homeless people get here? Because there is a very informal but relentless network of information about where the drugs are more plentiful, the police less controlling and the other homeless less aggressive. The word gets out. You think only the hardworking, sober demographic looks for scenic beauty in a less crowded placem
I think the weed industry legal or not was a magnet for a lot of them to come here to get rich, But they ended up on the streets when they learned that they would actually have to work.
I don’t think that is true. What the weed industry might have done is pay people just enough for a short period of work without having to account for it, that it indulged living a drug life style the rest if the year. Then the money spent in the feckless way such people do, they were soon sponging on acquaintances or camping out seasonally. Then that source dried up, it was year around homelessness. So maybe weed made it worse but I still think that mental illness is a big contributor to chronic homelessness. And when it becomes combined with a drug culture, that is irreversible in a society that tolerates such a culture.
Get a handle on how many are from right here. Or are you trying to ship off the results of bad decisions HERE to other places? Personal responsibility right? You ever Christian much?
Great way to increase religious intolerance because you equate Christianity only with fairy tale of owing help to the unwanted and not the expecting anything in return, like valuing community . HaHa! Got it wrong.
As Jesus said to the adulterous woman “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?’
‘No one, sir,’ she said.
‘Then neither do I condemn you,’ Jesus declared. ‘Go now and leave your life of sin.'”
Notice not go and keep on sinning. If you are going to play Jesus, get it right.
Are you inviting the homeless to occupy your churches property? How nice of you! Let’s get that word out there
Let’s review what is not their rights. They do not have the right to trespass on private property. They do not have the right to little everywhere they go. They do not have the right to steal, burglarize, etc. They do not have the right to demand that working people provide their every need while refusing to lift a finger to help themselves. They do not have the right to trample on anyone else’s rights.
They have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If they refuse to pursue they have the right to die.
This may sound harsh, but life is harsh. Time for the criminal justice system to enforce the laws and take care of these people for their crimes instead of letting them keep on terrorizing the country.
You have DAs and judges that don’t enforce the laws, where criminals are arrested by LE and are back out on the street within hours committing the same crimes. There’s no deterrent for crime. This isn’t just happening in Humboldt ,but all over the country.
“The right to die”…..but how to accelerate that process…..?
the scoopers are coming (soylent green)
Green being the tastiest of the soylents….
Kym, you’re disgusting for what you allow on here.
Jeez lash out in the wrong direction! Maybe the disgusting comment came from a commenter? Instead of calling the host of our salon disgusting, counter the comment you disagree with. These comments are a snapshot of people’s attitudes. Addressing their (our) perceptions is going to be part of any actual fix.
Kym is extraordinarily tolerate.
Kym has a business model that profits from it. Whether it is a principle or not, you’d have to look in her heart. Somehow that look is not edifying.
However it is not the model of most media where advocacy is seen as virtue and suppressing opposition seen as only right. I think it is the consequence of being paid by advertisers and not subscribers. Unfortunately it is an advocacy based on squeaky wheels. It would be preferable if little attention was needed for squeaks but the goal was to prevent the squeaks from happening in the first place. Then it would be possible to address squeaky wheels. But when everything is squeaking, squeaks are just an irritating noise to be ignored.
My business model does not profit from letting people say nasty things in the comment section. It hurts my business. But, I don’t think stifling free speech is helpful except in the very worst cases–advocating violence, very obvious hate speech such as racial slurs, etc.
In any case, my tolerance for free speech allows folks to enter my business, spew accusations at me, and then, keep coming back again to repeat the process.
And, while I’m certain that some folks will somehow find a way to find profit in that, I assure you that you couldn’t pay me enough to allow folks to throw the nastiness that they do at me. But…a Jewish attorney defending the right of bigots to march caught my heart and my imagination a long time ago when I was practically a child, and in a pallid attempt to copy him, I allow a wide latitude of opinions on my site.
You’ve done a great job maintaining a reasonable moderation stance. “Very obvious hate speech” is key, some mods seem to be leveraging the subject nature of “hate speech” in their favor.
The old one that Danny Kaye acted in a TV drama? Skokie TV movie? That was a biggie for me too. I still remember its impact.
But I think you are wrong to say it’s not a commercial model. The constant need to fill the pages with social commentary has replaced actual who, where, what, when and substituted why for all of it. And it’s created a national frenzy giving way too much attention to the partisan politics of everything. All headlines all the time. It used to run election but now it runs everything all the time with exaggeration and hostility.
Way tolerant dude. Way tolerant
Yes. As always though which ones?
She allows you doesn’t she?? Nuff said
You have made the most hateful comments on this thread.
People’s false perception of hate is causing them to respond with real hate
Please leave Kym alone. RHBB has to be a huge amount of work, she doesn’t need any extra hassles or harassment.
And she does a much better job than LCO.
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Please don’t change anything.
[edit] People like you are the problem. I bet you got a great red hat.
Fact of the matter is boomers failed this country and future generations. Boomers failed to plan for the future so they’re grandkids have jobs or a home, instead, they NIMBY all housing development for “the dirty poors”, and sent all the jobs to slave laboring China. Boomers waged war against “terrorist” for “our oil” for 30 years since the Clintons. Boomers embraced supply side “trickle down” economics, neoliberalism, single use suburban sprawl zoning, Walmartitifaction of their communities, chased out employers due to environmentalism so they could use slaves in China with no environmental regulations, aborted a quarter of Gen X so there’s depopulation occurring, gaslight younger generations about college or experience or student loans while not developing housing, and effectively leading the nation backwards while the oligarchy gets bailed out or use their position of power and influence to get rich (i.e Rex Bhon or Pelosci).
This country is an oligarchy. It is nothing but a popularity contest a property owners who make sure they are represented while screwing everybody else over. Fact of the matter is it’s an illegitimate oligarchy that’s kept in check through propaganda and the barrel of a gun.
Let’s get another thing straight about your beloved country. This country was founded by the richest white men of their time who decided they didn’t want to pay taxes to the legitimate government so they raised a private army waged war. Then they denied everyone else representation unless they were a property owner. Property didn’t exist it was inhabited by Native Americans who lived on it for thousands of years. Those people were genocided, raped, murdered, enslaved, and rounded up their land stolen. A title is nothing but a theft deed legitimizing the genocide committed by the illegitimate oligarchy that calls itself the United States government.
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“Get a job!”
Jesse Lee Peterson
generational class warfare- wow
We’re all on the road to hell…..I’ve had a lifetime to prepare and will go very comfortably, you, I think not so much. I doubt you will have the chance to reach old age….
I’m with Alf on this one; run the bums out and keep them moving. It is a social disease with no easy cure, but misplaced sympathy doesn’t get us anywhere. You can’t help people that won’t help themselves.
Josh Allen, you have a long life to learn some lessons. Good luck out there. When you get older you might get a little smarter.
Hey congrats on being so smart. Nothing says “genius” like proclaiming yourself as one.
Well bring able to read might be a start. WC didn’t use the word “genius.” You did.
It’s obvious your parents got their money’s worth for your college education. Let’s all chip in and get Mr Personality here a ticket to Venezuela.
Great. Hate the older population? Stop sponging off them. They hate you too because you are just as rapacious, more uniformed yet add a determined ignorance to the problem. You are right about boomers being at fault. They encouraged idiocy, but not by excessive patriotism but by excessive tolerance of the unpatriotic.
That was good!!!!!
Oh you poor, deluded, self-righteous youngster.
Here is a song just for you…
https://youtu.be/O7SvFffTwZg
Perfect response… lol
Great lyrics, catchy tune, singer sounds like young Bob Dylan. Video is interesting.
I wonder what the next generation will think about you.
Sounds like someone is pissed because his Boomer parents pissed of his inherintance.
You veered into hate speech. If you continue to do so you will be placed on moderation. If you continue, you might no longer be allowed to comment.
Haha…All the old people on hating on the truth. Boomer generation, also the “Me” generation, Lol. Not pointing blame but some believe quantum insanity is a real thing and future generations are not trying to repeat the mistakes by those in the past
Boomer here. Worked hard for under 40 g’s even in my 60’s. I retired because I did 3 important things.
This is the ticket to riches. Drugs were too expensive, and didn’t fit into my long range goals. I could still lose it all due to an unforseen circumstance.
We live in the most resource rich time in human history. We have access to the world’s collection of information at our fingertips. The poorest have access to resources the richest couldn’t dream of a few generations ago.
This country was the spearhead that made that happen. Nothing is perfect and no system will ever be. Considering the near universal misery from where humanity came, we should all pause and give thanks for where we all are.
I had assumed this was common knowledge, but whenever I point out where we exist within the trendline of human progress, I’m met with confused, sometimes disgusted looks, as if it’s a sin to put forth an optimistic worldview or to not assume we’re living in historically hellish times.
Politics runs on fear and people love to eat it up. As a culture we fail to know history and allow our future to be manipulated by those who only show how bad things are so they can sell a cure. Those that are full of fear and anger look upon those who aren’t as an enemy.
Duh we all have the same rights Mr. Teacher
Do we? And what are those rights? Somehow I’m not sure that all wants are rights. And I’m pretty sure no one is going to sacrifice their rights to get you yours.
I agree that they should be institutionalized but I don’t think the criminal justice would help. We’ll need to bring back the insane asylums if the problem is ever to be resolved. I don’t think most of these ppl have the ability to take care of themselves (get and hold a job, maintain a living space, ect.)
Reading the comments makes me wonder, what if it keeps getting worse? Cal Poly Homeless is seriously discussing housing students on a barge in the bay. How ’bout a barge for actual homeless people??
I had that plan years ago. Park the barge, free food, drugs and alcohol. When everybody is out like a light, hook up the tug and tow em out to sea.
Antediluvian thinking. The trouble with being too late fot such ideas is that they- whoever you define as “they”- are going to take you with them. If you haven’t noticed, you aren’t in charge. If you ever were…
Yes! Park that vessel about half way to Japan.
How about providing trash bags, and offering say $5 per bag to clean up their own trash before moving them out? Rather than paying govt employees to clean up.
Good comment, been my thought also. Sad situation for these people. Here is an opportunity to use community service to make the city better. Maybe by doing this it would give these folks some self esteem and help get them back on track.
Your plan is flawed. You assume that lifting a finger to do something is automatic.
A start. But remember that the trash got there because the homeless are as acquisitive as anyone else but lack storage facilities.
If you pay them for trash they will fill there bags up at the closest trash can, not their own litter, that would be WORK something they refuse to do otherwise they wouldn’t be in their situation.
Yes. While damaging, not as damaging as not doing it. I still have a boatload of anger over the BOS allowing waste companies to operate to the harm of community recycling and waste control. It should operated to help the community. Instead it seems to want the contracted businesses to avoid helping. Of a homeless person picks trash to get the recycling deposit refund, good for them. Even if some do take it from the recycling bins and make a mess. The mess is a problem to be solved and the solution is not to stop doing it.
Even if you paid them $500 most of them would only pretend to clean up until you turned your back then bounce with your money
Good suggestion.
Homeless is dropping according to Honest Joe, he has cut homelessness in half since he took office, crack me up.
I have a great idea. Seeing as poor working class folks in Eureka have to deal with the bums let’s move them to Trinidad and westhaven there are so many rich white middle class liberal folks up there that preach peace , love compassion while living their idyllic bourgeois lifestyle free of the grim realities with nice views,and fancy food stores. Let’s see how they react when hundreds of drug addict bums move to town.
Maybe CalPoly Humboldt can find room in their Princess Cruise barge.
100%! Send em 2 useless sleepy joe’s house! Most deplorable traitor!
I’m not even for a second surprise of the supreme hate and sheer ignorance in the comments on this article. Humboldt is one of the most hate filled disgusting county’s, but hatred of the homeless population is one of the most popular among all classes, races, states and genders. What brain dead pieces of s*** think every single homeless person doesn’t work and is a bum. Ya’ll disgust me with every single fiber of my being.
I guarantee without a doubt there were many people that received stimulus checks, that weren’t unemployed from the pandemic. They still cashed it, getting the hand out when you don’t even need it. And you act like homeless people are the issue?
You don’t see any of the spoiled brats on this section mentioning how many homeless people are veterans, or truly disabled. You just write them all off as less than you, guess what, you’ll never even be half as ethical as them with that kind of mentality. I hope life knocks you down few pegs, and helps you with that God complex. You’re 1 in 8 billion, you’re not all knowing and you’re disgusting for viewing us as worthless bums.
And to all the old folks, stop bragging about living during a generation where only one person in the household worked and you still could afford a home. You act like you understand the world today, you don’t know S***.
Thank you
So the people who are not homeless don’t understand the homeless? Well good for them. They understand how not to be homeless which seems to elude people who accuse them of the lack of understanding. Which do you think is better?
I got stimulus checks, was irritated with the political tomfoolery of paying people whose income did not take a hit during the pandemic and donated the amounts to charities. Talk about misdirected hate. Your comment is far worse than what you complain about others doug.
Good lord, read that back to yourself, who is the one creating the hate here?
Who cares
When I have to play hopscotch over human waste on sidewalks or the police have to be paid to deal with the results, I do. But even those things would be tolerable if such a small percentage of the population didn’t spread their problems like a disease and drag everyone downhill along they way.
It can be bad. To avoid the spread of disease, somebody could either provide them trash pick up and bathrooms, or give them motel vouchers or provide rehab. for those that want it. Also Betty Chen might provide trailers at the hikshari trail, maybe give her more grant money for it.
Is every homeless person hooked on injectables?
Someone must keep track Of how prevalent drugs are in the homeless community.
What’s the percentage?
What I read is about 38% are alcoholics and 26% abuse injectable drugs. Could find nothing on non injected drugs.
Local stats I found while writing the previous article (linked above: ‘Where Do You Want Me To Go?’) were included with the Point in Time Count found about 50% of those surveyed had addiction issues in Humboldt County. Being that those are people who were wiling to be polled/counted in the PIT count, it’s a low estimate.
We need a program for low income folks that pays first and deposit. Its ridiculously expensive to move in anywhere. Many of the homeless have jobs, they cant save up for these things.
Some of the homeless have jobs. Pretty few have any consistency in work. People who do work regularly are pretty capable of getting that problem resolved anyway. While company housing has been a solution in some cases, it will not resolve this issue. Maybe a drug or alcohol treatment residency that offers rent deposits as a reward for completing might work.
That’s a great idea. Thanks.
People forget how close those people that were at Creekside Cabins are to becoming homeless.
And the outrage at how they’ve been treated.
Why not have the California National Guard set up a designated camp in each County, and move the homeless to the camps. No drugs, but showers, laundry, meals, KP, just like a military camp, only with services, like job searches, drug detox.
Similar to what was set up for Covid on the mercy ships, medical care and support, run by the NG.
Think of trying to get a job in Humboldt with no address, no shower, and very few jobs available.
They can save the welfare checks until they have enough to get an apartment, then they move there.
After all, we even give stray animals shelter.
We need solutions, not hate.
There could be a central camp in the Sac. or San J. valley for the truly mentally unstable.
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Sounds like a concentration camp to me with a few more perks
It could be, OR it could be a retreat, all depends on who runs it and how.
I only suggested the NG because they have all the materials to set it up, after set up it could be transferred to a more compassionate group to run it,
It’s easy to pick it apart, expand on it, make it better, or….What’s your ideas?
Right now all we have is Prisons or Hospitals, neither are working.
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Because homeless people have rights too. I’m always leery of any solution that starts “Move them to.” I immediate worry that I will be consigned to the “them” too.
I see your point, How can we prevent that?
I definitely don’t want any Hillary Happy Camps!!
Perhaps provide outside legal counsel and ?
It would definitely require new rules and protections.
Simple.
You don’t ‘move’ the homeless there. It has to be voluntary.
What you do is cut off ALL government help, except for the camp.
The homeless can then choose between going to the camp, supporting themselves, or starving. Very few will actually choose to starve.
The good ol’ Lanterman Petris Short Act has a premise that involuntary commitment requires a person be an immediate danger to themselves or others. I think- subject to more information- that frequent or long term failure to camp in an authorized place with facilities for sanitation is an immediate danger and deserves involuntary commitment. I suspect simply making it so will motivate a good share of the homeless to work at or at least be more cooperative about taking care of that before drugging out. If their mental condition doesn’t allow for that, then those are the people who should be committed.
Such camps will not be pretty places and no government entity can make it so. The people who would be there are not going to be agreeable. The roughness of living among others just like themselves should not be unclear and not subject to suing just because they would prefer the safety of living with those who actually care about not being a public nuisance.. The option to choose their own place should be the reward for not following the path of least resistance into chaos. What you want people to do should always be easier than their not doing it.
It’s an issue of correcting bad lifestyle. A perfect location for the most of them is at the department of corrections as inmates.
That’d get things fixed real quick.
Haven’t we already tried that?
They just get dumped back on the street with no resources and just enough money to buy drugs to help forget the insurmountable problems confronting them.
I feel for these people
That’s okay. Doesn’t fix anything but could be a starting place.
Why don’t the ones eligible get ssi?
Because drug or alcholism is not a disability under Social Security if it is material to their condition. Stop using and no disability. At least until they have actually done it enough to damage their organs. If they are over 65, then disability is not an issue. The reality is that SSI is not going to be enough for someone who wants money for drugs or alcohol. Even If it was, they could easily blow through it in a few days and still be homeless.
There was one older woman around town with enough in social security to pay for residence in a good care facility but she was so difficult no one would take her. I mentioned peeing into a furnace vent as an example if why it was not so easy to house the homeless. Well that was her. She was at the last given a place to live by a woman who felt sorry for her and that’s how her last chance ended. She in essence wanted to push her shopping cart full of trash around the streets, sleeping in bus shelters and nothing would stop her. Yet some people would keep assuming that heartless society refused to take care of her. Well, that is right. The heartless part of society that empathizes with people who need less empathy and more practicality.
You’re right. Sad all around.
Sleepy useless joe can’t even help our own people! What a dbag!
I haven’t heard Sheriff Name mentioned in years That was truly one of the saddest days of my life I knew him personally For my whole life He was murdered for nothing He was murdered for nothing The only good thing was his killer was killed So many things in our county in the last saved 20 years have been so bad That’s another one the priest being murdered The value of life seems to be not worth Much anymore
It seems like they can pull billions out of thin air to send to Ukraine for war could you imagine what they could do here in this country for half of that
Sure. Like getting rid of the military would flood the country with extra money that would not be stolen by people less naive.
I believe the state and federal government spends several billion/year on the homeless crisis. Money is not the issue, allocating it is.
https://news.yahoo.com/flushing-money-san-francisco-spend-154446848.html?guccounter=1
Right. Billions spent, but Humboldt doesn’t seem to get any of that.
https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4521
“California spends billions to tackle homelessness but has little to show for it.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna17367
1.7 million is not that much do you know the difference between a million and a billion and the 1.7 million was to build one bathroom one toilet that’s absurd
The 1.7M is for one minuscule project and is an example of the insane amount of bureaucratic middlemen fees that have wedged their way between our tax $ and return productivity.
CA spends billions/year on homelessness and the problem continues to increase
“Between 2019 and 2021, $12 billion. How much worse is homelessness? A nearly seven percent increase between 2019 and 2020.”
https://www.hoover.org/research/california-homelessness-billions-are-spent-every-year-and-problem-just-gets-worse
This is such a sad state of affairs. Throwing more money at it doesn’t seem to work but spending money on all sorts of other crazy projects doesn’t either.
Due to the settlement from running the folks out of the “Devil’s playground” ie. Palco Marsh they had to pay to provide relocation to some of the residents that joined the suit.
If the folks from the Greenbelt here just moved to the railroad tracks before the $20 mill Bay trail project construction begins the County or the City would be forced to deal with this. There are already some folks out there camping now.
I am not saying this is a preferred solution I am saying it is too bad the options are running out.
At least some of these people must be eligible for ssi, any social worker or lawyer would know that, could get that for them, they could use that for a place to live, a hotel room.
It saddens me to see them like that.
Thanks to those cleaning up the area.
My understanding is Motel rooms are pretty much filled up.
Ca. Desperately needs housing, but the rules, regs, and fees make it impossible and stalls building anything for years.
Reference just trying to fill a sinkhole at Creekside cabins, what a nightmare.
It’s so sad. If there’s a recession it might get worse. There’s really no resources for them here, and it’s cold here to be outside.
It’s sad for the people that have to clean that up as well.
There’s room at the hotels but at 70$’s/night for the cheapest that’s over 2000$’s per month, even a campground site is 35$’s per night, over 1000$’s per month. Obviously too expensive.
The collection at the palco marsh wasn’t bad, it was at the edge of town and didn’t affect most businesses or residences, just the bay shore mall once it got too big.
My suggestion is five acres at the edge of every town, away from businesses and residences where they are allowed to voluntarily be. Like the palco marsh camp but broken up so each town eureka, McKinleyville, Fortuna, Ferndale, garberville, benbow, have to share, not just allotting it to 1 town.
They actually just got rid of some of the rules about zoning.
And a lot of it also depends on the individual city and how many hoops they’re going to make a developer jump through regarding how many units, how tall, what materials the outside will be covered in (some places want them to use multiple kinds of cladding), and what color it will be. Never forget that Arcata lost a developer because the city council kept moving the goal posts and making the developer change the design, which costs money. Meanwhile Eureka is trying hard to get more apartments built.
Law of Nature: cooperation, abundance
Law of Man: scarcity, competition
Law of Universe: energy, attraction, vibration
How about entropy?
What you said makes no sense
The certainty principle- It’s certainly hard to put a hundred piece puzzle together with just ten squares
“..measured against reality all our science is childlike and primitive..” -AE
The more time is spend looking at comments on this site & where the up/downvotes land. The more I’m convinced the average age of commenters is about 90.
Grandpa Simpson comes to mind
I hadn’t really paid much attention to this so I checked Google Analytics. Readers and folks with enough time and the will to comment are different matters.
The largest amount of my readers (about 25%) are 35-44. Just under 20% are 45-54. About 19% are 25-34. Roughly 16% are 55-64. About 11% are over 65%. Just under 10% are 18-24.
Well Google knows alot about our lives. That is extremely interesting, thank you for sharing that info.
Like you said commenters & readers may vary. You know way more about the commenters than I ever will. Seems there’s a hardcore group of commenters that is maybe 40-50 individuals. Be interesting to see stats on those demographics.
For the record I fall, just into the second group. I’ll be 46 in a couple months
Google Analytics, WordPress, Facebook. Disqus, Cloudflare, etc.
Sure is a lot of trackers.
Somehow I doubt any of them lean right.
Big brother is real. Social media is the worst. I brought this issue up with my peer group years ago.
Nobody cares.
Everyone is happy to have a “free” distraction and some sort of perceived meaning in their lives
Ironically when I tried to post this the cloudfare down below had to think, but finally made up its mind that I am indeed human
I’m curious. Does Cloudflare respond in Spanish or English to you?
It had the little buffering circle and said “verifying human” in English. Afterward I realized I didn’t click the box before I posted. I didn’t notice that change I guess.
And now as I’m posting it already confirmes a success, with no box checking necessary
Thank you. Interestingly, my version is in Spanish.
Hilarious
Somehow I doubt any of them lean right.
Yeah.
Good thing too.
Why not a barge for the homeless too?
The barge is for the homeless…students.
You’re right though, we should have a homeless barge. They already throw their trash everywhere, at least this way it will be closer to the Pacific Ocean garbage patch.
Here’s one on land. “Why some cities are operating legal homeless camps even in the dead of winter.”
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/07/1070966346/why-some-cities-are-operating-legal-homeless-camps-even-in-the-dead-of-winter
And where it went afterwards- https://missoulacurrent.com/illegal-homeless-camping/
“just another day” for the city and state to shell out funds picking up after those who want a free ride. Most don’t and won’t work. Lots of help wanted signs across the area. Many multi year outreach programs appear to have been a failure and consumed lots of money with little to show. Let’s try the plan where the city and state tell these vagrants that the tit has run dry and to get a job or leave the area. Marin county has generous accomodations for large groups.
Where have you seen “help wanted” signs, specifically? Because most places for the past ten years have only wanted online applications and do not appreciate walk-in applicants. One place I worked, if someone walked in with a resume when we didn’t have an ad out, it was policy to throw it straight in the trash.
Back in I think 1984 I was privileged to attend a concert. After the concert I had to borrow the money to buy the cassette tape this group made. It has been the most inspirational album I’ve ever heard.
The group was representing prison ministries. Everyone in the group had been in prison for various crimes before being reached by the music and teachings of the Bible. They all had in common that they had hit rock bottom and had only found their way through arrest and serving hard time and by the prison ministry. They put out the album Oasis. In the live concert they shared their lives of addiction and crime and made it clear they would all likely be dead had it not been for their arrests.
When I say we need to arrest and incarcerate these people, it’s not just because of their criminal activity. It is because they will die of their addictions and criminal activity if no intercession happens. That’s why I want a criminal justice system that does it’s job. Nothing will change until they are off the streets in a controlled environment.
Very interesting perspective.
What was the group’s name?
I think their name and album title were both Oasis, but I’ve googled, YouTubed, Amazoned and have found nothing. There are other groups that come up, just not them.
It could cost California 10 bil/yr to imprison the 175,000 homeless. So, let’s say 30% of the hardcore. That would be only 3bil. That leaves 70% of the homeless still on the streets. Housing would be cheaper, if there was any available.
That means building more prisons…. Once again the concentration camp image comes to mind
Ugly begets ugly. Wanting only a nice solution means no solution at all.
It may be beside the point, but I have to wonder why anyone would want to own those particular pieces of land? You can’t do anything with them; are they just tax write-offs or something?
Is it anybody’s business why you own the things you do?
There could be many reasons, but for others to trespass most likely isn’t one of them.
Like I said, it’s pretty unrelated to the story. I was just curious.
Send the homeless to Bridgeville. !
Where is all the money upu got from the state of california to help the homeless with housing.why is it taking so long youve already recived the money where is it going.maybe this should be looked into there is no reason for the delay.
The homeless in this instance are really just illegal campers.
“Where are we supposed to go?”
Have you tried a campground?
“…many of the unhoused and unsheltered in Eureka tell us they are simply moved from place to place with few long-term solutions offered.”
Yeah, right. Like the universe owes you a living.
Even if you have no respect for the humans that are suffering under this policy, I’ll bet you’d like to see the trash problem, the crime problem, abated and the streets free of people sleeping on them. So let’s try to figure out policies that fix these issues.
So let me get this straight. If you work a minimum wage job and pay 700 for rent (non including utilities) those people have to fend for themselves with NO help because they are not associated with a tribe/group with benefits or anything. They work hard, live paycheck to paycheck, also starve and are almost homeless.
But Joe over here, does drugs and doesnt even try and work a job it participate in society, we should be “humane” by giving them a free ride? No. If they want out of the predicament they have to try harder. If they arent willing to try their integrity is beyond gone and no amount of help will do anything but hurt the actual people who needed it. Start giving supplies to minmimum wage workers, and the hobos will get a job instead of do drugs and mouth breathe. No argument. 1000% facts. This issue will never end.
Rents around here haven’t been $700 in a long, long time.
Caltrans is a maid service for the homeless