‘Which Bad Decision Do You Make?’ Greenbelt Sweep in Eureka Displaces Dozens, Removes Tons of Trash

An officer unloads bags into a dumpster at Saturday's cleanup of a property belonging to the Humboldt County Office of Education.

An officer unloads bags into a dumpster at Saturday’s cleanup of a property belonging to the Humboldt County Office of Education. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]

Saturday morning, a homeless encampment sweep and environmental clean-up took place while a thick blanket of fog still lay over the city. Eureka Police Department’s Community Safety Enhancement Team, trash-picking volunteers, and a seasoned clean-up crew converged on the greenbelt bordering northbound Highway 101 as it exits Eureka which is owned by the Humboldt County Office of Education. Groups of displaced campers hovered just outside of the wooded area with their belongings and dogs while protesters sympathetic to their situation chanted slogans and held brightly colored signs. The effort mirrored several others in the County over the last three decades–from the clearing of the South Jetty in the late 90’s to the purging of the Devil’s Playground in 2016.

As the 2019 Humboldt County Grand Jury pointed out, “In Eureka, evacuating encampments simply dispersed problems from a contained location to a wider area of the city.” Yet, at the same time, law enforcement says the camps become the center of criminal activity, community members are outraged by the mess, and many environmentalists worry about the polluting of waterways with trash, feces, and drug detritus.

Crystal Stewart and Rico

Crystal Stewart and Rico playing as they wait outside the encampment after being evicted. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]

One woman who lost her camp on Saturday, Crystal Stewart, unknowingly echoed the Grand Jury’s concerns as she stood outside the chain link fence surrounding her former home with a large dog on a rope. “What are we supposed to do?’ she asked plaintively. “Where are we supposed to go? You thought we were an eyesore back here, but now we’re out in the public? We are really going to be an eyesore now that we’re out in the public!”

As the large dog pulled the small homeless woman down the center of the street. Crystal Stewart explained to the large brindle dog, “What they’re doing – they’re destroying our house, Baby!

[All photos and Videos by Ryan Hutson]

Noting that because she has a dog, she’s not able to go to the shelters, she told us. “I asked the officers, I said, ‘Can I come to your house? Can I eat off your plate? Can I sleep in your bed? Can I wear your pajamas?’

Stewart said she got a heads up “about two weeks ago” that the cleanup was happening, but she didn’t know where to set up a safe place to camp. Standing on the side of the pot-hole dotted street next to a one ton-sized dumpster holding piles of broken belongings, soiled clothing  and loads of trash, Stewart alleged, “Out here, I heard an officer or a security guard or whatever he is say, ‘We should put bear traps out to keep the bums out.’”  Visibly upset, Stewart continued, “Put bear traps? Is that necessary because we’re homeless?”

As Crystal Stewart walked away with Rico, her dog, Eureka city councilmember running unopposed for mayor, Kim Bergel, made her way across the street with an empty trash bag ready to be filled. While Stewart had managed to cope with the stress of the day without shedding a tear, Bergel was visibly upset.

She explained the difficulty in the task at hand while taking a break from the cleanup. Clearly enduring what was an emotional and troubling task, the city representative explained that although the housing situation is difficult, the cleanup is environmentally necessary when taking into account the location of the encampment on a wetland.

Kim Bergel was assisting Eureka Police, John Shelter of New Directions, along with the Pac-Out Green Team volunteer litter removal program organized by Arron Ostrom of Pacific Outfitters with the event which was underway following intermittent warnings and notices to the area campers for several weeks prior. Although she displayed empathy for those displaced by the city’s efforts to clean up the property, when asked why there were no portable toilets or dumpsters on site while there people living on the property with no apparent other place to go, Bergel explained, “This is a private property, so it would be up to the property owner to put bathrooms or to put dumpsters out there for people.”

Bergel said she didn’t know if the City had had conversations with HCOE about providing dumpsters and porta potties. The City official known for her approachability and candor especially when addressing issues related to housing insecurity, drug addiction and mental illness acknowledged that the chore of cleaning up was difficult, but necessary, and required community involvement and creative solutions.

One of the areas in the greenbelt. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]

One of the areas in the greenbelt. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]

“I mean certainly people, all people have value, and we need to work with people, but we can’t allow this kind of environmental degradation to be in our waterways and in our Greenbelts, either,” she said. “And so what is the solution? You know, we’ve been working on it vigilantly in the city at least for the last eight years–creating programs like the CSET, Uplift Eureka, Pathways to Payday, working in [partnership] with Betty Chinn, working with Waterfront (Recovery Center)… .”

The city official explained that she just returned from a state-wide conference, and proudly said that Eureka has actually been on the front lines of considering new solutions to a burgeoning problem across California. While the situation Saturday clearly showed the need for improvement in the process, Bergel expressed pride in Eureka’s efforts and hope for the city’s future ability to tackle the challenges head on while continuing to set an example for other areas that are just now attempting solutions that Eureka and Humboldt County have begun to offer already.

As an example, Bergel noted that the city is hiring three mental health workers to go out with police, and the county’s MIST program (Mobile Intervention & Services Team), which she added, are just “not enough” even though there are more services than have been available in past years.

And, yet, the notion that Eureka and Humboldt County are leading the way in homelessness intervention may be, for lack of a better term, odd, when taking into account what community members see and experience on a regular basis – including the labyrinth of pathways carved under freeway overpasses and bridges, the tents and stray shopping carts overflowing with all manner of personal possessions, the broken down vans and motorhomes dotting side streets, the corners occupied by folks unable to get comfortable while holding a hand-written sign asking for charity, and the occasional syringe in the gutter.

On Saturday, as the volunteers and government employees removed the nest of tents and tarps, forlorn furniture and broken dreams, chants of “Where were the bins before!” and “Nowhere else to go!” rose from protesters outside the fenced area around the greenbelt. The streets were busy with college students protesting, environmental stewards on scene to assist with clean up, disheveled folks gathering with their collection of possessions salvaged from their former homes. There were cars and vans along West Avenue with signs of weathering and mechanical distress, some obviously broken down, and people with varying degrees of mobility trying their best to navigate the bike lanes, sidewalks and intersections in order to sort their belongings or simply get out of the way as police utility vehicles towing trailers chock full of belongings intermixed with garbage navigated out of the greenbelt.

A banner held by protesters at the perimeter of the sweep reads, “DEVIL’S PLAYGROUND NEVER ENDED!” in reference to the infamous homeless encampment located behind the Bayshore Mall in Eureka at the edge of Humboldt Bay. [All photos and Videos by Ryan Hutson]

Humboldt County counts over 19% of residents living under the poverty line, according to 2020 census data. In spite of local efforts to address the issue of unhoused camping spaces, and the the California Department of Housing and Community Development stating “[N]o individual or household may be denied emergency shelter because of an inability to pay,” Eureka has offered few alternatives in the form of “emergency shelter” to community members displaced by city-sanctioned maintenance or litter removal actions.

Many unhoused folks come with baggage, not travel-ready carry-on style wheely-bag suitcases, but mental health disorders or addictions that prevent them from being eligible for certain services. For example, at Eureka’s Waterfront Recovery Center, “active, uncontrolled mental health illness will preclude admission to withdrawal management and/or residential treatment.”  Considering this requirement, it is possible that some of the folks who were made to leave the greenbelt this weekend will not be capable of accessing these types of programs, and so continue to search for a safe camping location.

Protesters at the event called attention to a lack of resources being made available to those evicted. Livestream of the situation as it unfolded includes footage of the trash removal, as well as several interviews with bystanders who expressed dismay at the forced removal of personal property including tents, cooking wares, and basic hygiene materials. They pointed out as well that no alternative camping location was offered to those removed.

Activists underscored the lack of actionable solutions being offered by local leadership on the issue of housing insecurity for the already unhoused community, and recovery services for those seeking treatment.

One activist, Moxy Alvarnaz, an Environmental Sociologist with EPIC, (Humboldt’s own Environmental Protection Information Center) told us, “We have a term for what it means to shroud crimes against humanity in environmental terms – it’s called eco-facism, and I’m here today in support of this community. We have better solutions here, these bins could have been here sooner, there are ways to protect the watershed as well as our community, and I encourage everybody to work with people who live in these spaces to find workable, livable solutions with humane outcomes.”

A lack of political will was cited by activists, as well as by the Executive Director of the Northcoast Environmental Center (NEC), Caroline Griffith. She expressed disappointment that there was not more effort to involve allied agencies such as NEC which prioritizes watershed clean-ups and trash removal in sensitive coastal areas, including amidst encampments of unhoused community members.  “There are solutions to a lot of what is happening here, there’s just not the political will to do it,” Griffith surmised.

She wrote a piece on “Compassionate Cleanups” just two days prior to the evictions–evictions which the NEC was not made aware of in advance, and so was caught off guard Saturday morning when members learned of the clearing out in progress. According to Griffith’s recent piece for NEC EcoNews, “The most recent Point in Time count by Humboldt County, there are at least 1,656 people living on the streets in our county. Due to the limitations of the count and the fact that it only includes a 24-hour period, this estimate is undoubtedly smaller than the actual number of unhoused people who live in our community.”

Eureka Police Officer Swanson who was also at the clearing of the property Saturday estimated roughly 15 to 20 people were thought to have been living in the encampment. However, he stated that it was difficult to know exactly who lived where. “Liar!” shouted some nearby protestors who disputed the number of displaced homeless people.

A handful of folks from different circumstances told us the estimate of an average head count on any given night is said to range from 40 to upwards of 60 people. Some describe these tent encampments as a safe environment while others described a volatile and dangerous scene.  Domestic violence, drug use, and prostitution were said to be common in the community that hid out of sight, flanked by expansive school administration buildings and another Eureka City school campus.  

An EPD officer walks through one of the camps in the greenbelt slated for cleanup.

An EPD officer walks through one of the camps in the greenbelt slated for cleanup. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]

While Humboldt County experiences drug addiction and overdose deaths at a rate nearly quadruple the state, officials say there is an ongoing struggle to meet the needs of those requesting such services. At one point, as Sergeant Leonard LaFrance and Jacob Rosen, the City of Eureka‘s Managing Mental Health Clinician, walked from one side of the property being cleared to the other, they traversed deeply hidden pathways that wandered between trees, punctuated by graffiti and littered with various remnants of debris and defunct clothing. There were occasionally visible bright orange needle caps, indicative of intravenous drug use. In one area that LaFrance explained had yet to be cleaned out, he pointed to a table with a couple plates, and a vase of dying flowers next to a mostly gone bottle of Sunny D, calling attention to the pile of needles sitting on the table.

Amongst ground cover tarps and collapsed tents sits a dinner plate carefully set aside holding a pile of needles, after police and cleanup crews had done their initial sweep, but not completed their overhaul of that section of the greenbelt encampment, following the removal of camp residents.  [All photos and Videos by Ryan Hutson]

Pointing out that the area is considered a school zone, the Sergeant explained that the level of pollution was distressing. “When you actually experience it, it’s different than just hearing about it in the news,” he said.

When asked about demonstrating compassion for those community members being ousted from the bushes and onto the streets, Sergeant LaFrance and Jacob Rosen both expressed that the job was a necessary evil of sorts. Having to make the decision to prioritize the watershed over the needs of the homeless people relying on the Greenbelt for security, the city went forward with the forced cleanup.  Rosen told us, “As difficult a decision it is to have to move people, when they don’t have somewhere to go, I mean it’s difficult because it’s kind of a ‘which bad decision do you make?’ and in this case the right decision is to try to reduce as much trauma and reduce as much impact on the community as we can.”

Sgt. LeFrance and Jared Rosen.

Sgt. LeFrance and Jacob Rosen stand inside a cleared area of the encampment. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]

Asking what trauma he referred to, Rosen indicated that human trafficking is known to take place at the location, and that violent crimes have occurred, including sexual assaults and other physical violence between campers.

Sergeant LaFrance noted the presence of several 18th Street gang tags spray painted on trees and on the sidewalk outside the fence where an entryway had been made for access into the Greenbelt area, and called the area a “hotbed of crime” as he recalled a stabbing incident and other examples of trouble encountered in the greenbelt area.  LaFrance mentioned that in this particular encampment, the ratio of females to males was about an even split, and said that prostitution is known to occur in the area.

Sergeant LaFrance reflected on what it would take to transition from such a debilitated state of living into something healthier, LaFrance said, “ I wish, I really wish the homeless could be better advocates for themselves, because we want to advocate for them. We want to bring resources, we want to bring housing, we want to bring more mental health support, addiction support,” he said, “And so, how do we advocate for them, but also teach them to advocate for themselves?”

Sgt. LaFrance explained that if and when somebody from the greenbelt indicated they were in need and ready for a detox program, for example, or a space at either the mission or with Betty Chinn’s Day Center or Homeless Foundation, that he had the ability to make the calls to set it up.

“We have those connections,” LaFrance said, as he explained what options might be available if a person was ready to receive services, and if they were able to meet the standards of whichever program was being used, such as meeting sobriety requirements in order to be eligible for a housing assistance program.  “If they want to go to Betty’s, I called Betty for someone today. If they want to go to the Mission, we have that available. If they want to go to the Salvation Army, we have that,” added Sgt. LaFrance.

Brian Hall, Executive Director of the Eureka Rescue Shelter and the attached Women and Children’s Shelter, told us that while the Women’s Shelter side of the Rescue Mission is currently full while being remodeled and expanded, Hall was unsure as of yet if there had been any men who checked into the Men’s ward, at the Eureka Rescue Mission in Old Town. Hall said that they do have a number of open beds and plenty of good food and support if anybody shows up from the HCOE eviction. As long as people are not intoxicated or obviously on drugs – as to not “disrupt tranquility,” people with mental health struggles or substance addictions would be welcomed with open arms, as long as space allowed.  “We work with all the services in town,” Hall said, explaining that the Rescue Mission is generally more tolerant of mental illness than other local shelters, “as long as people are not creating an unsafe environment.”

Hum co 2018-19 grand jury reportIn 2019, the Humboldt County Civil Grand Jury (HCGJ) reported on homelessness and related complications, writing in their summary that, “Humboldt County is very fortunate to have several excellent nonprofit service providers offering emergency and short-term shelter for the homeless. Some have existing infrastructure that could be leveraged to serve more homeless if they were given financial or other support.”  Beyond that, the report suggested there have been studies done to survey for homelessness in the community, and perhaps, ironically, the HCOE has compiled data on the percentage of unhoused students, finding that Eureka has the greatest percentage of homeless students, counting up to 12% of the student population as “homeless” in the 2017-2018 school year.

According to the United States Interagency Council on Homelessness, “The forced dispersal of people from encampment settings is not an appropriate solution or strategy, accomplishes nothing toward the goal of linking people to permanent housing opportunities, and can make it more difficult to provide such lasting solutions to people who have been sleeping and living in the encampment.”

In making a recommendation in 2019 to the county for situations such as an encampment removal, the HCGJ explained, “To address the immediate needs of Humboldt’s unsheltered homeless, local service providers and advocates have proposed alternatives to conventional shelters” including safe parking programs, sanctioned camping areas, and tiny home villages.

After considering various methods and socially responsible approaches to addressing the nature of housing-challenged community members, the Humboldt County Grand Jury of 2019 wrote that, “[T]he goal is to quickly help people stay in a safer, more sanitary environment without the risk of being arrested or cited. Focus Strategies recommended against solutions such as sanctioned camps because they divert resources from creating affordable housing and implementing Housing First. That said, cities and counties have found it necessary to create temporary shelter despite their commitment to Housing First.”

By removing waste from the banks and perimeter of a watershed area connected to Humboldt Bay, the City is acting to protect the environment, but in doing so, faces the ever-challenging conundrum of where to relocate the upended, and how best to accommodate their range of needs, including addiction treatment and mental health support systems. The report from the 2019 Humboldt Civil Grand Jury argues that more money needs to be spent on where to relocate those who are displaced by cleanups.

Saturday’s Gallery:  [All photos by Ryan Hutson]

Jacob Rosen surveys the scene along with EPD Officer Sergeant LaFrance, following the informal eviction of dozens unhoused campers.

A sign along the outside of the Myrtle Avenue edge of the property reads, “be true to the one love that for real is urs.”

A large tree has been tagged by the 18th Street gang, in the middle of the HCOE greenbelt property.

The sidewalk outside a broken down fence lets passersby and those entering the fenceline know that the block is part of 18th St. gang territory. 

18th Street gang tags in Roman numerals were seen frequently within the sprawling undergrowth. 

Rico Suave was holding down the Corning of West Ave and 6th Street where campers had to stow their belongings while deciding where to go after being forced to leave the HCOE greenbelt. 

Down on the corner, at 6th and West during the removal of trash and eviction of campers.

A tote set trash ready for removal holds cooking gear and is labeled “random shit we use every day.” 

A split scene shows the view from behind the peeled back chain-link fence and, to the left, a relatively trash free sidewalk.

This article is written by Ryan Hutson, a local freelance journalist. Follow Ryan at Humboldt Freelance Reporting on Facebook, Insta and YouTube. To support Ryan’s award winning reporting, please consider donating.

Please note: An earlier version of this story incorrectly gave Jacob Rosen’s first name. Our deep apologies for the mistake.

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Roseann Potter
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Roseann Potter
1 year ago

Until the will is to make apartments affordable this tragedy will continue to happen day in and day out
something has to change
cities have to create real affordable housing
yet no one wants to do it

Bozo
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Bozo
1 year ago
Reply to  Roseann Potter

Eh? Bums will trash most any place they move. Drugs, dope, booze, trash piles, shit piles and then the bumfires will start when the weather gets cold.

Jim Brickley
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Jim Brickley
1 year ago
Reply to  Bozo

Don’t remember any of the camp sites at Ruth Lake looking like this!

lol
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lol
1 year ago
Reply to  Roseann Potter

Real houses should be affordable, not just apartments.

Redwood Dan
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Redwood Dan
1 year ago
Reply to  lol

So are these people cited for trespassing, vandalism, destruction of property or anything like that? Will the property owner get an abatement letter and fines for trash in a watercourse, diversion of water, hazardous waste in a watercourse, unapproved work in a watercourse resulting in erosion? Why isn’t there equal application of laws for damaging sensitive habitats? If that kind of mess was on a weed farm, you can bet there would be fines galore!

Dano
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Dano
1 year ago
Reply to  Redwood Dan

WHat good are fines if they won’t get paid?

curlybill
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curlybill
1 year ago
Reply to  Redwood Dan

Citing property owners should an ongoing issue not waiting for it to become an environmental disaster. Cut the trees and bushes, keep them cut.

Martin
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Martin
1 year ago
Reply to  lol

True, real homes should be affordable, but they are not, and it is only getting worse as prices continue to go up with no end in sight. The lucky ones have already moved out of California or soon will be.

lol
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lol
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin

The lucky ones own dozens of rental properties, which is why housing is unaffordable.

fred krissman
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fred krissman
1 year ago
Reply to  lol

Absolutely true! Landlordism has become a plague on communities large and small, and only in the space of my lifetime…
Previously, the Fed-subsidized GI bill allowed a generation of working people such as my parents the wherewithal to buy a decent home! Now it’s all back in the speculative “free market.”

Prometheus
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Prometheus
1 year ago
Reply to  fred krissman

Have you taken this concern to your local Supervisor? It’s a serious issue…

c u 2morrowD
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1 year ago
Reply to  Martin

can’t afford to retire here but, that’s a different story

JArmstrongD
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JArmstrong
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin

You seriously beleive this isnt happening everywhere? Dont travel much? Wow.

Martin Haniford
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Martin Haniford
1 year ago
Reply to  JArmstrong

Had the sheriff’s officers checked ID’S door-to-door in Trinidad they would have found mass murderer Robert Durst living in a multi-million dollar home years before his capture .
For decades, some of this nation’s elites flew their narcotics and human trafficking to Epstein’s island.
These economic refugees look similar among the world’s other numerous refugee “camps”.
They are easy targets for ignorant bigots, who, left unchallenged, use the neglected condition of human beings as an excuse for history’s endless examples of “cleansing”.
Instead of Eureka’s elected leadership’s “tears”, how about a policy requiring business licenses for all landlords with fees and fines assessed per square foot for empty buildings, parking lots, homes and storefronts…money desperately needed to leverage state and federal housing funds?

Actually
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Actually
1 year ago

Kim seems to even laugh through the fake tears at one point.

fred krissman
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fred krissman
1 year ago

Hear, hear!

suspence
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suspence
1 year ago
Reply to  lol

when you say “affordable” do you mean free? because I don’t think these folks can afford anything.

Dumboldt
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Dumboldt
1 year ago
Reply to  lol

You have to work to afford housing. I had to live with 2 and sometimes 3 people to get a apartment in the 80’s . rent was 700 we made 5.00 an hour. Now rent is 2100 and people make 15 minumun wage . Can you do the math. You dont start jobs at a living wage you have to earn that by being a good employee. Them you work your way up to a nice house . Just a different mind set these days. Remember EVERYTHING you get for free someone else worked for.

ThrivalistD
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Thrivalist
1 year ago
Reply to  Dumboldt

Oh pleeease with the “I had to” story posited as a prescription for all. So worn out and inappropriate and I could one up you so bad with that anyway. Do the math? LOL. You do the math cause cost of living vs wages between then and now vastly different.
I waitressed full time at age 16…started by scooping ice cream and worked my up to dishwasher then waitress. Hard work was like oxygen to me… still is and as an older person finally for the first time needing social services I see it is a full time job itself just trying to get help and so little available ( food stamps has become very good program just in last couple years and I hadn’t used it till my 50s. Homeless were a year before covid , maybe still are,? given less food stamp money no matter it is morecexpensive to eat while homeless. ) low income housing is a many year paperwork nightmare …they are all in your business down to “ what’s with that 35$ in your account?” Ah..do the math…it was a credit for a refund on a subscription I could not afford and so cancelled. that is just the tip of the exhausting invasive and frightening “assistance “ “given”’to old and poor who worked hard their whole lives. Meanwhile seniors who need basic health affecting maintenance in apt are denied by local big company who has all the low income housing contracts.
Meanwhile, If you had any sort of decent support as a child in the FORMATIVE years of your life then your TRUTH about what you did and the results you got are REALLY based on getting things for free based on the lottery of your birth.
I was blessed to know nothing but hard work and be ignorant of any sort of potential help and worked my ass off for decades and did i prance around saying how superior I was? Hell no because I’d seen and noticed many children in the foster system and well intending adults get messed up by circumstances beyond their control and who, like all of us, made mistakes but paid far higher prices, greater consequences that subsequently made them more vulnerable to more problems – a weakened and/or underdeveloped or damaged social immune system makes people susceptible to more social problems. Meanwhile I look back in the decades of 50-70 hours a week I worked so humbly for so little and am glad for the many cases in which the younger generation is fighting for better equity (sure some people are spoiled, entitled and need a reality check …everyone needs and gets the latter at some point, which is true of homeless and non homeless alike and maybe more so the former for not having suffered as much). This is a a culture getting a reality check regarding its stated values and truths vs actual investments and results .

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Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  Thrivalist

Thing is that 99.99% of population copes with everything listed as a hurdle that can’t be overcome. Not happily and not without problems. But cope they do. Being offended does not play into coping.
I agree that there are way too many cheap fast food places or box stores paying low wages. It just used to be department stores or banks that lowballed employees. But this is the choice the country made in shipping good paying jobs to places where even lower wages made for larger profits. And replacing those lost with lots more bad paying jobs without benefits. People agitating for better pay is part of that cycle. Unfortunately now, because value adding jobs are scarce these day, it’s chasing after an always out of reach goal. Increased wages increases costs and then prices increase. When prices increase in manufacturing, most people just adjust their spending to cope. But when it so basic as food, there may not be so much wiggle room.

Jim Dogger
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Jim Dogger
1 year ago
Reply to  Thrivalist

Not an accurate description of how housing vouchers work. The balance of your statement now comes under increased scrutiny.

Actually
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Actually
1 year ago
Reply to  Dumboldt

Wow. You should be a slave and a good bootlicker until you are fit to earn a “living wage”.

Jesus Christ what is wrong with you?! I bet you hate socialism as well and think capitalism is working just fine.

Actually
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Actually
1 year ago
Reply to  Actually

For what it’s worth I work my ass off to avoid being on the streets, am a great worker/employee, have no time for a real life and in this late stage capitalistic hell scape it has gotten me nowhere.

I guess it’s my fault for being a part of the snowflakes generation…

People who were abused as kids tend to be abusers themselves I guess…

fred krissman
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fred krissman
1 year ago
Reply to  Actually

Truth upon truth! I keep hoping that life will get easier, but it keeps getting worse for more and more people.

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
Reply to  Actually

No complaints about capitalism here. Working just fine for me. Would work even better if the government would leave it alone.

Socialism is just a friendly word for Communism, Fascism and Authoritarianism. Study why we fought so viciously against those scourges in WWII and the human toll of “equity” in the 20th century.

Slavery 2.0
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Slavery 2.0
1 year ago
Reply to  Resist

Good morning Vietnam ‘

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Anonymous
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Anonymous
1 year ago
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What is fascism but colonialism in a traditionally colonialist society?
In the 60’s the influencial John Birch Society had the plates destroyed for the book, Tragedy and Hope by Georgetown University historian Carroll Quigley detailing a millennia of civilizations collapsed when oligarchs are allowed to dominate societies to maintain a nation’s dependence upon their outdated industries.
Call it whatever you wish, but,
Here we go again…

Country Joe
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1 year ago
Reply to  Anonymous

There’s absolutely no comparison between the two…

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
Reply to  lol

They are affordable if one maneuvers themselves into a skilled profession.

Hint: SOMEONE owns every building you see.

See how that works???

Dano
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Dano
1 year ago
Reply to  Resist

Many of these people are not employable or capable of having a higher paying job..

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
Reply to  Dano

Well… then with the incredible amount a citizen of California pays to the state government, why aren’t these people being helped?

Hint: because it’s only a Democrat talking point during election season. How many years in a row has California had a surplus? The state constitution mandates that any surplus funds be sent back to the taxpayers. Have you gotten a check yet?

Martin
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Martin
1 year ago
Reply to  Roseann Potter

Are you willing to have some of your tax money taken away to support these people?

yesmeagain
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yesmeagain
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin

If some our tax money does NOT get “taken away to support these people”? then “these people” will continue to camp somewhere near you and me, and our town’s businesses, and our greenbelts. If you have no compassion for ANY of “these people,” why not look at this terrible situation as a problem that needs to be solved, or at least, made better, rather than a moral issue. Maybe some people “deserve” more help than others, but if we continue with that idea, we’ll be arguing about who does and who doesn’t “deserve” help until we’re exhausted, and the problem will just get worse. The answer is hoursing and services. Get as many people off the street and out of the greenbelts and into decent, safe housing, and provide services. It will cost a lot of money, and we’ll all feel it, but our neighborhoods, our friends, our children, everyone will be safer and healthier. Think of it as an investment in public health and safety, and a better community.

suspence
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suspence
1 year ago
Reply to  yesmeagain

forced incarceration into an institution is the only thing that will work. that is how it used to be done. that has it’s own host of problems too. incarcerate, diagnose, treatment, shelter, 3 meals a day, and if you can then get your shit together you can assimilate back into society. this notion of give them housing and services will not work.

Dano
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Dano
1 year ago
Reply to  suspence

Why should we outlaw poverty? You are wrong it does work. Giving people a record does not…

Slavery 2.0
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Slavery 2.0
1 year ago
Reply to  Dano

Poverty has been made tolerable.

Actually
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Actually
1 year ago
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This sounds oddly enough like Stalin form of “communism”.

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1 year ago
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It’s not a money thing. These people are mostly on public assistance. The choose drugs, cigarettes, pot, alcohol and pets instead of housing. There may well be a very few that have no income, but for the majority it’s a lifestyle choice that has no business destroying property and environment. They have the choice to change. If they refuse, don’t even try to make me feel sorry for them. I only feel sorry for thos against whom they commit crimes.

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1 year ago
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Some homeless yes just like some housed people are scammers, many in fact. EPD commit crimes that go unpunished…remember the violent txts against vulnerable people? And that was only what was leaked. Is the person who leaked those still alive? The “officers” are still employed and doing more damage than txts.
“Lifestyle choice”… perhaps for a few especially young people who don’t stay long in the “life style” and mostly homeless are damaged by life like being in a series of wildfires or earthquakes… not sorry for you when you need help, a hospital etc, you shouldn’t have lived in ca.! You shouldn’t have been in that lane when the drunk driver or the person having a strike slammed into you. homeless will even say it is a “choice “ cause they are mimicking social narrative and it is easier to believe they have agency and also to tell you what you want to hear and what let’s society off the hook , at least in the short term.

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1 year ago
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How many homeless are really as Kym said, working but still unable to find a place to live? I suspect a very small minority of that already small minority of homeless. And not for long.
Not damaged by life any more than others. Damaged by choices that have lead to this. Maybe generational. Everyone has a story but a lot of them are more spin than not. And someone else having done wrong is not a pass for doing wrong. Which came first- the self justifying criminal or the jaded police?

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1 year ago
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Historically speaking corrupt public “servants”.

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1 year ago
Reply to  yesmeagain

I think you’re pretty spot on here, except the part about arguing who deserves what.
I believe someone who is actively trying to help themselves stabilize, and who contributes to our society deserves whatever help we can logically and responsibly give.
Just as in raising children and other animals, good behavior should be rewarded, bad behavior should be confined. It’s that basic. Think about why farmers keep pigs in pens.
Put the good people at the head of the line and give the professional vagrants a new tent and a bus ticket to our newest county, created just for them.

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1 year ago
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“these people” continue to grow in numbers and the state takes in record amounts of funds each year.

I don’t think we’re getting a favorable return on our investment.

Country Joe
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1 year ago
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It’s easy to to solve the situation when the vagrants get a job…

c u 2morrowD
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1 year ago
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the mentally ill … then yes

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1 year ago
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Taxpayers have been paying for decades, companies and people have donated to newsom’s homeless agenda for decades. The problem is atleast of 70% of that money goes to admin fees. Newsom is nothing but a griffter off homeless.

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1 year ago
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Yes. I would prefer that than having most of it go the military industrial complex.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Roseann Potter

Our state politicians are responsible for this untenable situation. We elected them, they run the show, while the cartels and communists call the shots.
It doesn’t matter what side of the fence you are on, anyone can see this disaster is a deliberate slow rolling destruction of our society. What you see in the bushes is what we are all headed for at this point.
If a person is a homeless but employed US citizen, they deserve a roof over their head wherever they are. The other 95% deserve to have somewhere to go. In Kalifornia they need their own county!
I suggest the N3 Cattle Ranch, which the Kalifornia Govt. is eyeing as another prize to be used for NOTHING. Use it to create a county with a name appropriate to the circumstances and let the state as a whole bear the burden of it’s existance.
Stop expecting small traditional communities with limited resources to foot the bill and put up with this atrocity being commited by our state and federal governments. This hastens our downfall as a whole.
Centralize the problem and it becomes controllable. If someone is caught living in the bushes or on the streets, surrounded by garbage and feces with meth and fentanyl as their only source of heat, with not even their family wanting anything to do with them any more, they deserve a bus ticket to N3 just as much as an illegal migrant deserves one to your sanctuary county.
Place the responsibility solidly at the feet of those elected to protect our border and secure our rights as US citizens. Stop the idea that our cities and towns must bear the burden created by those who wish us all to be slaves to drugs, apathy and corruption.

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1 year ago
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it’s a national issue and should be addressed on a federal level. I”m not reading the rest of your word salad. tighten up dude.

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1 year ago
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Yes, this. My mother, who lives in the reddest part of red Missouri was telling me about the folks living under the overpasses there.
Closer to home, a couple of years ago, a woman pitched a tent in a vacant and overgrown lot across the road from me. I met her because her cat came over. She had had all the issues before she came here, drugs, arrests, etc.
But she lived in that tent through a wet, cold winter and got up every morning in the wee hours to go to her job at the fish plant, going to AA meetings and trying to get her stuff together. Now she has a regular job, a drivers license, a car (insured!). She still struggles, but she come a long way.
I always remember that phrase (one version anyway): There but for the Grace of God (or the angels) go I.

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1 year ago
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Uh, well I did mention the federal govts’ responsibility here. I take it you are not interested in solutions to this problem if you are insulted by the truth. Word salad is served up by people who don’t have a plan, or who are being evasive as the result of malfeasance or dishonesty. That’s not me.
I’m open to debate. I’m curious about what your answer to the problem is. You should tighten up dude. You sound like Kamalas’ protege right now.

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1 year ago
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🤔 Out of curiosity, would marijuana etc be considered a drug?

Two Dogs
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1 year ago

Not sure what you mean by “etc”, but sun grown marijuana has been a friend of man for twenty eight million years.

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1 year ago
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That would be a challenge since “man” (i.e. Homo sapiens) only evolved around 300,000 years ago, give or take 100,000.

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1 year ago
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Okay, ya got me, I figured I’d get called on that. I should have said Man,(i.e. human genus Homo). Homos have been around for about 2.4 million years. Regardless, cannabis was right there waiting for us when we arrived. I think by then we were tired of eating rotting fruit and it took off.

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1 year ago
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YES and how active has the last couple or few generations really been in government? Like going to church (no I’m not religious) and paying tithe and expecting there is no need to participate actively in making sure that money is well spent and abuses are not occurring. Voting isn’t even enough and only a small percentage bother you do that. Government isn’t a benevolent parent, it is a machine and WE are responsible for its operating or not. We’ve also pumped out our public resources to private corporations.

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1 year ago
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The border and immigration has nothing to do with homelessness.

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1 year ago
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It has everything to do with drug trafficking and demand for housing. They want housing too, even if they clean houses for the rich under the table, or traffic drugs for addicts.

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1 year ago
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Please contact me. If you are not happy at your job with Newsom, I could use a bookkeeper like you.

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1 year ago
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Lmao if you think that even for a second that republicans are anti drug trafficking. Who exactly has been in charge of the cia for decades?? Who is responsible for most of the narcotics being allowed in?! It sure as shit isn’t Joe blow from Honduras with his mandatory backpack full of fetty.

Hahaha holy shit you people are delusional.

Keep owning the libs though with your tired ass takes and shity witticisms.

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1 year ago
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Well, if we’re going to get personal here; Sorry most of my stuff goes over your head, but I can’t dumb it down much more or it becomes less than food for thought. If you are tired of my shitty wittisisms I suggest you turn your attention to something like improving your comprehension skills ’cause you just don’t get it.

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1 year ago
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I agree with you, Roseann. And there have been some successful programs in Utah, I think it was, and other states, maybe some in CA as well, where old derelict motels, etc, are renovated and turned into affordable housing. Kind of a win-win — improves the neighborhood and provides housing. I understand people’s frustration — you can’t help everyone — some people are beyond reach, it seems — but for goodness sake, let’s help the ones we can help.

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1 year ago
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Turn left at the next election.

Country Joe
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1 year ago
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There losers need to get a job and go to work like the rest of us.

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1 year ago

If they were born in California help them. If not, send them home. Not everyone can live in an expensive area. That’s how it works. I’d like to live on the beach and smoke weed all day in Kauai but I don’t want to be a nuisance. So I stay home and deal with transients stealing our stuff and polluting the river.

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1 year ago
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This disgusts me in several ways, but, trying to make me cry for people who choose to live in the streets and take drugs, will fail every time…

After a year of frequent visits to San Francisco, I am still amazed to see places where folks live permanently on the sidewalks, in tents, right next to busy roadways, and rain tons of trash and pure crap into the general area…

I am surprised we are not treating them all for Bubonic Plague, Cholera, TB or worse!

What will it take to build permanent camps, outside the boundaries of places where people who are actually participating in the economy, working and consuming goods and services and playing by the rules? Maybe a return of the Black Death?

All these “campers” deserve to be harassed and relocated until they disperse, and owning a big ugly dog should not be an excuse for being a parasite that nobody wants to be around…

Choosing to drink and take drugs and lie around trashing the area, is not an acceptable choice, and if Eureka has someone like Kim Bergel for a Mayor, every citizen should expect the whole place to continue its downward spiral…

It’s not an evil thing to do, it is the RIGHT thing to do.

Learn it, live it, and find someone with some guts, to be Mayor!

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jeez pom, really? I’ve met ms bergal in person. While I don’t know her medical history, she seems to be a nice person. While crying at the scene may be a political ploy, running unopposed is not her fault. Harassing people is not an answer. Think Trump supporters getting harassed by FBI. Creating a large camp area, with chem toilets, dumpsters, and supervision is a short term answer. Moving in to a container, even one that is not remodelled to an apartment, is a close second. Placing this camp away from creeks, neighbourhoods, schools and such would help. Not all homeless are drug addicts, but they will be if we don’t take action. Ugly dog? sorry dude, wrong.

Kim, (mayor, not editor)
You are stepping in to the batter’s box. Let’s see if you can hit one out of the park on this issue.

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1 year ago

When people find that working full time can never offer a decent and respectable life ,many give up rather than be a wage slave. Not for me but I get it.

Then there is the issue of no long term in paitent mental healthcare offered by our society.

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1 year ago
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It is written: Some men (and women) you just can’t reach…

If you don’t try, you won’t succeed.

Long term hospitalization didn’t really work, but there used to more money available for the project.

My Father worked at Napa State Hospital, in the 1950’s.

Everyone is a wage slave. Education is the answer to that one!

These folks get away with what they do, and this is a form (think about it) of institutionalization!

All these people have cell phones, Medicare Cards, GA, UI, and many receive DI payments.

They party and live rough because they can, and because it is allowed.

The mental institution is outdoors, but it is an institution.

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1 year ago

Well, there really won’t be any relief at all until the gangsters who have marked up the place are dealt with by federal government. This is not something a small city can fight against without addressing stupid ideas like sanctuary cities refusing to cooperate with immigration laws.

We see these huge busts of meth and opiates recently and here is the drugstore and the dealer is a brand.

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1 year ago

What will it take to build permanent camps, outside the boundaries of places where people who are actually participating in the economy, working and consuming goods and services and playing by the rules?”

Does that sound like a concentration camp to you? Maybe we could pay them to stay there it wouldn’t be considered a prison.

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1 year ago
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They move where it is warmer…

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1 year ago

After listening to these entitled trash heaps speak there bs I’ll reply because my brother lived in devils playground for years and continues to be a homeless tweaker.
1. All get some type of government money ie social security benefits or welfare
3. A majority got covid money
2. All do drugs
3. Most have mental health disorders
4. They all live homeless because they want to. There plenty of support. Ie free meal,
Shelters and Betty trailers etc
5. Pan handlers in eureka make about 20-80 dollars a day

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1 year ago
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You are 💯 correct! You know as I know the junkies are junkies because they are choosing to be homeless junkies.

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1 year ago
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Numbers 3 and 4 are contradictory, chosing to be homeless is undeniable evidence of a mental health issue. No same person chooses it.

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1 year ago

The ECC has refused to do anything to actually fix the problem. Now Humboldt has elected one failure to the BOS and one is moving into the Mayor’s office. We rotate crappy leaders from totally failing at one job to totally failing at a different one. None of their piss poor “solutions” have helped. There’s no difference between elected officials being voted into new jobs they can fail at and moving these homeless people from one spot to another. Wake up Humbold! It’s time to fire the whole ECC, Mayor and BOS and put some leaders in that will work hard to clean up all aspects of the county, not just look out for themselves and their personal interests.

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1 year ago
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Word.

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1 year ago
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Short of limiting the number of rental properties that a person can own, creating a $23/hr minimum wage, and providing mental healthcare, there is not much that can be done. And those things would face political opposition.

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1 year ago
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The Trump Organization has 18,000 rental units in Brooklyn, alone…

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1 year ago

There really is no easy answer. For sure though housing needs to be affordable. More and more people are being displaced and thrust into the homeless lifestyle and that is really unacceptable. There is a homeless population that you don’t see that still works and tries to separate themselves from the mainstream homeless. A place to “be” “sleep” & “toilet” should be human rights. But humans need to do right as well.

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1 year ago

There’s always been a segment of the population that lives this way. All had, substance abuse, mental disorders, lack of training or upbringing, or any combination of the three. Some hide from past crimes. Some just want to live outside societies laws, rules and regulation.

Over the years, they’ve had different names: Buns, Homeless, Ne’er-Do-Well’s, Hobo, Drifter, Unhoused, etc.

The difference in generations is that back in the day, the citizens of cities towns and villages didn’t tolerate their presence because of disease, high crime rate, fire danger and trash that attracted vermin. So the Hobos, Bums or Ne’er-Do-Well’s were ran out of town by various methods and most of them were smart enough to form encampments or enclaves a distance from populated areas.

Nowadays this generation welcomes and sympathizes for homeless, unhoused or whatever socially acceptable name for a socially unacceptable style of life.

The very image of a bleeding heart liberal crying over government’s inability to solve problems that the citizens of Eureka should be able to solve themselves (by displacing an enclave of non-conformists from its friendly confines with whatever means necessary) is a glaring example of the downward spiral that liberals are forcing upon this country. The liberals will not be happy until the entire country has “equality and same for all”. Which means that everyone will be living in filth and third world conditions so that no one has more than anyone else. Except the politicians and party leaders of course… those are the ones that will benefit from the sweat of the peoples brow.

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“So the Hobos, Bums or Ne’er-Do-Well’s were ran out of town by various methods and most of them were smart enough to form encampments or enclaves a distance from populated areas.“

Well that’s just not true at all.

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1 year ago
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No need to display your unlearned history in a public forum.

Hint: ever hear of people running others out of town on a rail? Tar and feathering?

Read up on the matter and post your findings here.

I’ll wait…

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1 year ago
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Resist, while people of all types deemed undesirable have been “run out of town” for various reasons over the centuries, homelessness in urban settings isn’t new.
Here’s just a quick view on one part of the past https://depts.washington.edu/depress/hooverville.shtml
Some highlights:
“Hooverville” became a common term for shacktowns and homeless encampments during the Great Depression. There were dozens in the state of Washington, hundreds throughout the country, each testifying to the housing crisis that accompanied the employment crisis of the early 1930s.
“Hooverville” was a deliberately politicized label, emphasizing that President Herbert Hoover and the Republican Party were to be held responsible for the economic crisis and its miseries.
Seattle’s main Hooverville was one of the largest, longest-lasting, and best documented in the nation. It stood for ten years, 1931 to 1941.
Covering nine acres of public land, it housed a population of up to 1,200, claimed its own community government including an unofficial mayor, and enjoyed the protection of leftwing groups and sympathetic public officials until the land was needed for shipping facilities on the eve of World War II.
Homelessness followed quickly from joblessness once the economy began to crumble in the early 1930s. Homeowners lost their property when they could not pay mortgages or pay taxes. Renters fell behind and faced eviction. By 1932 millions of Americans were living outside the normal rent-paying housing market.
Many squeezed in with relatives. Unit densities soared in the early 1930s. Some squatted, either defying eviction and staying where they were, or finding shelter in one of the increasing number of vacant buildings.
And hundreds of thousands–no one knows how many–took to the streets, finding what shelter they could, under bridges, in culverts, or on vacant public land where they built crude shacks. Some cities allowed squatter encampments for a time, others did not.
Seattle police twice burned the early Hooverville, but each time residents rebuilt. “

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1 year ago
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And an earlier, similar example (1894) was “Coxey’s Army.” Laura Ingall’s Wilder wrote about this, as did Jack London (fictionalized as ‘Kelley’s Army”). Each of their accounts include anecdotes where entire towns placed food on the outskirts while begging the horde to move along (after hearing disastrous accounts from other towns having been destroyed by the hungry mob.)

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/how-ragtag-band-reformers-organized-first-protest-march-washington-dc-180951270/

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1 year ago
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That’s an excellent example of a snap shot in time. A decade during the depression. There’s many other examples of communities ridding themselves of undesirables. And these Hoovervilles were on public lands as your post shows. Tent cities on private land in Eureka are deemed undesirable. As public entities keep moving them out.

These people can go create their own communities on public lands anywhere in humboldt county. But I’ll be willing to bet that the county, state or federal government will move them along too. Despite their lip service to “helping the downtrodden” as an excuse to fleece hard working Californians out of their incomes.

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1 year ago
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Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, ‘You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.’ When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.

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1 year ago
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Which is why I tithe and give generously to several nonprofits. Thank you for reinforcing that, Kym.

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1 year ago
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Heaven is a utopian concept But If giving away everything you own makes you feel good, then do it. The liberals are saying we have to, but In fact, handouts are not good for people. Programs are needed to create at least menial work for these people in return for benefits. And drugs cannot be tolerated. The govt. has been hopelessly inept at this but a definite change of direction is needed. And the burden should not be placed on rural communities such as here. They are not equipped for this, physically or financially, and the blight in our area is proportionally worse because of this. Services need to be mandatory and centralized. Only then can there be a hope of success. In the meantime, these encampments must not be tolerated. They are encroaching excessively on personal and environmental health and safety and are a huge burden on government finances. Just look at the fires and crime and clean up expense.

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Jesus also said, “Go and sin no more” after forgiving a prostitute, showing He loves the sinner and hates the sin. At another time He cleansed the temple saying “You have made my house a den of thieves. I’m sure Jesus would do His best to clean up the homeless camp and try to get them to accept a meaningful life, but in the end it’s personal choice. I’ve put in far too much time, effort and money trying to help them all to see no change. They have made their choices and their lifestyle cannot be tolerated at the destruction of the rest of the community.

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1 year ago
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There’s a difference between downtrodden and self destructive. The first implies someone is keeping people down. The second is people who are keeping themselves down. With people being seriously mentally ill excepted, and despite the self serving narratives published in the news, drug addiction and/or alcoholism is the common thread among the chronically homeless. It must be remembered that they are a very, very small part of the population for all damage they do and all the attention they get.
As the only guy I ever spoke with who said his situation what the result of his own actions put it “I could party or work.” Most will give an elaborate story of other people’s maliciously causing their issues but closer attention shows its mostly a series of very poor choices. Habitual comes to mind. When jobs are plentiful, their bad back keeps them from working. When jobs are scarce, it’s just the times.

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1 year ago
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Yes indeed Kym. But I’ll bet they used an outhouse, didn’t use IV drugs, throw needles on the ground, harass people for money, leave a gigantic environmental mess, stumble around completely out their minds and dangerous. Driving home after a lonng work day, waiting for the light to turn green, I had to see a mans behind while he defecated. You don’t see that in Wyoming, Texas,Montana, most places actually, bc they aren’t insane thinking it’s cruel to not allow that behavior. I’d be so far outta here if it weren’t for my grandkids. We need to do better especially for families and our veterans. But the vast majority of our homeless folks, are single, drug addicted, and choose that . I think Newsom catching on, has some new program roll out for the severely mentally ill. I hope it’s a success.

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1 year ago
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They were called Hoovervilles.

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1 year ago
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Yeah force them to slave away at shit jobs so that they can afford to share an apartment with 2 or 3 strangers, that’s the solution.

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1 year ago
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That’s not force. That’s a choice. If one chooses to not learn skills that increase the value of their labor, then the result is a “shit job” or two and doing what you need to do to survive. Which may include getting roommates to share expenses.

The solution is making a plan, working like hell to complete it and raising your standard of living.

But the solution is not to take from those that make more than minimum wage to subsidize those that do.

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1 year ago
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you’re viewing the world through your own narrow lens without giving much consideration to anything beyond your opinion and experience. Many of these ppl don’t have the cognitive ability nor the privilege you have experienced. I think they should be forced into an institution, diagnosed, treated, sheltered, fed, and assimilated back into society if possible. that is more humane than letting them live in squalor.

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I’m privileged, you say… no, I worked my ass off. Military service, then leveraged that experience into a state job, (that I hated because of the unions and the cronyism the union displayed to Democrats) then I pulled green chain and worked my way into a maintenance position at a sawmill. That was great until the environmentalists destroyed that industry, and then I built houses. That was great until the Great Recession and then I got into sales.

No, I’m not privileged. Hardly. If hard work and blood sweat and tears going into different professions is privileged, then it’s no wonder this country is doomed because of a bunch of slack-jawed mouth breathers thinking something is owed to them.

As far as the homeless? They’re owed nothing either. That’s why they steal from the housed to support their habits and their chosen way of life.

“Life’s tough. It’s tougher if you’re stupid.” – John Wayne

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1 year ago
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John Wayne was stupid.

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1 year ago
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What a well thought out, clever response. May God bless your little heart!

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1 year ago
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Nah he’s right

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1 year ago
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The homeless, mentally ill or not, object to being forced to do anything, or prevent from doing what they want vigorously. Even more than most others. The law protects that. There is usually a point at which this changes when age or ill health makes it clear that survival means they must acquiesce to some self control or die. Then they could mostly be safely housed with others. Until then, not. But a few will not tolerate any rules of community ever.
What you see is often not the result of having been refused services but of refusing them because it comes with conditions of attendance or self restraint. There was one man in a filthy, unkempt condition, who used to travel up and down the highway camping between Arcata and Eureka. Yould think it was because no one cares. But his family provided him with his own home and he had money in the bank. He would not use either and they couldn’t force him to. He had a legal right to that choice. Just because most people think they would not choose a way of life does not mean others might not have a different idea.

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1 year ago
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Lmao! Yes the great country of America, the “greatest country in the world, the very model of freedom” should definitely start forcefully “institutionalizing” people who are not able to fit into our hypercapitilistic system. To help them. Hmmm what could go wrong??

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1 year ago
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If you can’t choose to live alone it isn’t a choice. Choice implies you could do something else because you have other options to choose from. For many people having roommates is not “choice” it is necessity.

Also, higher education is not the only way out of this into a better job. Sure, it can help or you might be a debt slave for life…depends on your ability to have real choices based on economic ability to pay.

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1 year ago
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Horse puckey…

One can choose to live alone on a lower income. Just may not be the home one imagines they “deserve”. Not everyone gets a house with a white picket fence handed to them, much to the chagrin of some.

Higher education, in a lot of cases, is a fool’s errand. I know quite a few waitresses, waiters, bartenders and baristas with bachelors degrees and a few with masters degrees. All have crushing debt. (Although a couple of them have little common sense, but that’s another story unto itself.)

There’s something telling about a plumber or electrician that charges $90-120 an hour and the person paying the bill has a bachelors degree or masters making $15-25 an hour.

Hint: the tradesman doesn’t have a degree, but he or she has a viable, marketable skill.

c u 2morrowD
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1 year ago
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lol what ! so three people earning 15 an hour equals how much combined hourly wage ?

Alf
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Alf
1 year ago
Reply to  lol

Better to share an apartment or room or whatever with 2 or 3 than the huge group in the shithole they were just removed from, don’t you think? It’s a matter of public health, environmental health, safety from criminal activity. Sure, they can refuse, but property owners also have the right to refuse to let them on their land. If you don’t believe me, try to squat on my property. If even law enforcement has no right to be on private property without permission, neither do worthless scumbags.

E H
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E H
1 year ago
Reply to  lol

Yeah, working a shit job and living with other people sucks. So does living in a tent surrounded by garbage and used needles. Life sucks sometimes. Get a fucking job

c u 2morrowD
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1 year ago
Reply to  E H

maybe get a job @ NEC

onrust88
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onrust88
1 year ago
Reply to  Resist

Gosh, I would say the same of ass bleeding conservatives who seem to have no empathy and compassion and even less ability to come up with solutions. These problems are not new. There are various solutions all over the world for these issues but there seems to be little will to look and even less to act.

Resist
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1 year ago
Reply to  onrust88

Republicans ain’t running California, now, and haven’t for some time.

Have they?

The solution is a return to the religion of your choice and tithing as commanded. Throughout history the churches have helped these people.

The homeless under Democrat rule just keep increasing.

At least conservatives, especially evangelical Christians are tithing to their churches that do help people.

What are liberals doing? Not tithing. They shun God. No, they’re on blogs and comment sections demanding that something be done. (As long as somebody else does it.)

Actually
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Actually
1 year ago
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Jesus. Your solution is giving money to churches?? Which are definitely not dealing with endless child sex abuses right now?

I’m a Christian and I do not trust churches at the moment. They sleeve me the fuck out.

And lol, holy shit at recommending evangelical churches…

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Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
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Don’t let the sins of a few blind you to the good works of the many.

Actually
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Actually
1 year ago
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It’s way more than a few these days. Seperate the wheat from the chaff etc. Jesus came with a sword to seperate out all the bullshit. There is a LOT of bullshit these days and in particular the evangelicals aren’t looking so good.

I know there are a lot of well meaning people that go to and support churches but unfortunately right now a majority of these churches are all somehow embroiled in child sexual abuse scandals. Even if an individual church is not guilty they still belong to the overall denomination whatever that may be. They support that denomination financially. That denomination has an incentive to cover up sexual abuse and pedophiles in positions of power.
Tithes ultimately are supporting sexual predators right now. As we speak.

This is coming from a fucking disgusted Christian.

pcwindhamD
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pcwindham
1 year ago
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America needs another Great Awakening. The last one, in the early 19th century, led to the rise of the Abolitionist movement and eventually to the end of slavery in the US. Only by returning to a culture based on a higher calling than the false gods of power, pleasure and money can our country avoid a descent into chaos. There’s a better way.

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
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Indeed…

steve
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steve
1 year ago
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When Republicans were running California the state was in debit and could not pass a state budget on time.

c u 2morrowD
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1 year ago
Reply to  steve

lol ..when was the last time republicans ran California ?

Country Joe
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1 year ago
Reply to  steve

That’s false information…

c u 2morrowD
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1 year ago
Reply to  onrust88

there aren’t many conservative in California to make a difference.

Country Joe
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1 year ago
Reply to  onrust88

Ass bleeding conservatives? Democrats are in control, so the situation will only worsen.

Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
1 year ago
Reply to  Resist

“Enclave of non-conformists”…

I like it!

Since Eureka only has enough money and staff for a few clearings, the bums are only cleaned out on occasion, like once a year, to great hand-wringings…

Resources spent on this population are extreme, but not as extreme as the cost of fighting the fires they set, cleaning up the trash they scatter, and the cost of insurance.

San Francisco taxes large companies, to fund the estimated $100,000/year that is spent on each person in the “enclave of non-conformists…”

I personally guarantee that if persons living in this manner were transported to a remote location, say, North-East Nevada, out in the BLM land, given basic commodity foods, cheap beer, cannabis shake and simple building materials and tools, they would build towns, and form their own governments within a few months.

They don’t live where they live because it’s comfortable, they live there because people give them stuff and food and money, and then they don’t think about those on the sidewalk, until they read reactionary twaddle about the “Morality” of cleaning out the camp…

The “enclave of non-conformists” is the “great outdoor mental institution”, and it is there because it is tolerated and paid for, by everyone else…

You can’t reform them, since they are disabled, and you can’t give them a job, because they are not particularly employable, and nobody really wants these folk around.

They make a huge mess, but it’s a wonderful photo-op for ineffectual local politicians…

So, the model is flawed, and the only solution is mass housing, regular meals, counseling, detox and rehab, and health care.

Which costs more, a proper fix or cleanups and relocations?

Gosh, I don’t get these services for free, and remember:

If you are retired and you live on Social Security, every dollar you earn, whether from legally required 4% withdrawals from your IRA, or from rental income, or interest income, or if you work and make $1000, your income will still be taxed with a “Standard Deduction” of $30,000 and about a 30% tax rate…

Their lunch is free. How much was yours?

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Alf
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Alf
1 year ago

What about the human right to live in a safe community without rampant crime covered by trash?

c u 2morrowD
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1 year ago
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I’m movin’ …lol

Stillwantstoknow
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Stillwantstoknow
1 year ago

Didn’t we kick God out of our public spaces?

Well then here’s the result. Deal with it.

ABA
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ABA
1 year ago

Hilarious.

lol
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lol
1 year ago

If you’re God was real it couldn’t be kicked out of anywhere. Also it would be a horrible evil deity.

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
Reply to  lol

Lol, because He allows us to make our own choices?

Sounds benevolent to me.

Stillwantstoknow
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Stillwantstoknow
1 year ago
Reply to  lol

God doesn’t force Himself on anyone. Our society is simply “reaping” what we’ve sown.

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago

Tell that to Mary.

pcwindhamD
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pcwindham
1 year ago
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Mary said yes.

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago
Reply to  pcwindham

Mary wasn’t asked she was told. That is not a yes.

suspence
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suspence
1 year ago

there are many atrocities in the world that do not look good on the resume of a supreme being.

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago
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The atrocities ‘man’ commits is merely a reflection of the atrocities god commits.

Actually
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Actually
1 year ago
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Nice, that is a good one. I believe in god and the comments people make in his name are disgusting.

Actually
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Actually
1 year ago
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God biblically speaking is not necessarily a benovelent being…

Which is fine with me but damn the mental gymnastics people are capable of…

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago

Even if you get them into small trailer homes or apts it won’t fix tweekers and skid row junkies to make them passably bearable neighbors.

Junkies seem to be divided by class. Upper class junkies do not wind up homeless and robbing people they just call their doctors for a refill.

lol
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lol
1 year ago
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And why should it? That’s not a living situation that is tolerable long term.

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
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Looks even worse on the individuals committing those atrocities.

God have us all free will. Jesus died so we may be redeemed if we believe in him.

Seems many in this country are committing the deadly sins of Sloth and Envy.

Flip side is the ones committing Greed and Gluttony.

Tithe to your church or a cause you believe in. Because those are the ones working hard to help the downtrodden.

And it’s easier to tithe if an authoritarian state government isn’t separating is from 16% of our earnings while giving us lip service on how they are going to “help” people”. All they help is themselves. All politicians become millionaires while producing or inventing nothing.

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
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This was a response to “suspence”, not lol.

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago
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No, Resist, I will not give a percentage of my income to a church and certainly not to Christian churches. I’m not here to support someone’s religious lifestyle moralizing and hypocritical-ling as a career.

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
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Then tithe to a cause you believe in, which was also included in the sentence you are referring to.

Or are you going to be one that screams to the void, “Something needs to be done and someone needs to do it!”

Just not you… I get it.

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago
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Yeah, I don’t tithe. I donate and volunteer my time. My will is also left to causes I care about deeply. I’m not funding priests and holy-rollers who think women are incubators and emotional support animals.

Actually
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Actually
1 year ago
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Where does your money go that you tithe? I grew up in evangelical churches and had family on the elder boards or whatever and most of that money goes to administrative costs or church infrastructure or events to create new tithers.

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
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I sit on my churches treasury and make sure the funds are going to worthy causes. Of course the pastor and other elders need to make a living and that comes from tithing. One should demand an accounting of funds from any organization they donate to.

Actually
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Actually
1 year ago
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Lol lol lol!!! Why should a pastor make a living from preaching?? When did this fucking bullshit become acceptable?

Hahaha holy shit!

Why should someone get paid anything to read from the Bible which almost explicitly states that god ain’t down with that?

I don’t trust pastors/preachers they are basically salesmen/women and are blatantly ignoring key parts of the Bible. Nuns and monks are cool in my book but not these skeeveballs.

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago
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Right, Actually, FFS! He wants a percentage of your income so he can give it to his pastor and decide how they want to spend your money. Oh, and if you don’t you are going to hell because Jesus.

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
Reply to  Actually

Preaching and tending the flock ARE his job, not to mention maintenance of the church, administrative expenses, etc.

With that logic (or lack thereof), why should you or anyone get paid for doing their job?

Whatever your problem with God, the Gospel, people of faith, or religion is, your problem doesn’t trump common sense.

Of course the pastor needs a roof over his head and food on his table. It’s a full time job, working long hours and unusual hours. People die monthly and the decedents family requests the pastors presence, and even more so, he makes his presence felt because he is tuned into his congregation. A lot of those people don’t die between 9-5 hours. By your mirth and taunting, sounds like you think the pastor just shows up on Sunday, talks for a few hours and works another job Monday -Friday.

It’s one thing to be ignorant of the duties and expectations of a pastor. It’s another to display your ignorance and hatred on a public forum.

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago
Reply to  Resist

Your pastor should go get a job and stop leeching off people and you need to stop asking me for tithes to support your lifestyle.

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago
Reply to  Resist

No. I said the Feds need to deal with the drug trafficking gang and pointed out that illegal immigration puts further strain on the housing supply.
I know damn well I am not equipped for going behind the Mall for any reason at all.

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
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Donating to relgious charities not donating “religious lifestyle.” Frequently religion is a motivation to keep persisting in helping those who others turn away from. There can be humanist charities but they are not as likely to pass out food or clothes or fund other immediate need as religious ones. They are most usually specifically goal oriented like prison reform or medical research or worse- anti religion action.
If some person runs out of gas money or needs a tire or needs a food voucher, the only help they usually can find without a laundry list of paperwork, waiting list and proof are from churches or religious groups, who tend to take people at their word even if they doubt the story. Because their religion demands it.

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago
Reply to  Nooo

No, not true. Religious charities are profitable biz for churches.

Madrone is the best Supervisor in Humboldt
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Madrone is the best Supervisor in Humboldt
1 year ago

I drive by this green zone regularly for work and it’s disgusting. The place is a total dump that has been a major eye sore and problem for the entire Humboldt community. There is no excuse for the trash & debris scattered throughout the area. I drove by there on Thursday after an appointment and the junkies were lined up and down the street with piles of garbage, broken down cars and shopping carts full of crap. It’s ridiculous! I don’t feel sorry for the people in the camp. GET OFF DRUGS AND GET AN FING JOB! If the people respected the place and kept it clean, safe & drug free thar would be a whole different story, but that is NOT the case here. At some point we have to take our community back. Humboldt has to STOP being a national destination for homeless drug addicts. People move to Humboldt to live the Homeless lifestyle. Some are stuck & are trying to get help, but most are just drug addicts taking advantage of our community and hurting local businesses and home owners. It’s not safe, so the Junkis got to go!

Madrone is the best Supervisor in Humboldt
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Madrone is the best Supervisor in Humboldt
1 year ago

I’m not just talking shit. I was actually homeless about 30 years ago. Moved to Humboldt to go to HSU in a VW van. I had a little camp set up on Kane rd. by Big Lagoon and all my stuff got stolen. I lost literally everything I owned. I was from out of state and had just moved here and didn’t know what to do. I went down to Eureka and got help. They gave me a couple hotel vouchers and some food stamps. I immediately went around Arcata applying for jobs and ended up getting hired at the Hotel Arcata as a breakfast waiter. I then found a room to rent in one of those green apartments across the street from the CO Op in Arcata. I went from homeless with nothing, but HSU school work to having a job and an apartment. If I did it anyone can. The key 🔑 was I wasn’t strung out on hard drugs and really wanted to work, go to school and have a home. My point is for many of the chronic homeless people in Humboldt it’s a lifestyle choice. They are choosing to be homeless. If people don’t want to be homeless get your shit together and get a job. There are help wanted signs everywhere!

ABA
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ABA
1 year ago

The key was, this happened to you thirty years ago, when a student could work a minimum wage job or two and still afford an apartment and college. I’m not negating your experience, but try pulling that off these days.

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
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Why does the hard way of getting oneself up out of poverty seem so unpalatable to so many “these days”?

Those of us that do make more than minimum wage are not required to subsidize those that do.

One needs to hustle and work hard to climb another rung on the ladder of success.

Not wait for the government to take from those that do and give yo those that will not.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
1 year ago

The issue isn’t down-on-their-luck college kids. The issue is how we, as a society, deal with those members that suffer with mental illness and addiction. And at a deeper level, how do we deal with the fact that something about the way we are conducting society these days seems to be producing an ever increasing amount of mental illness and drug addiction

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago

More drugs available. And more tolerance for theft to pay for them. And less taking the mentally ill and hiding them in institutions.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
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The rot goes deeper than that. More drugs are available because more are demanded. More theft is “tolerated” because we tried locking everyone up and ended up with a third world caliber prison system and no less apparent desire to thieve.

The loss of institutions to hide our mentally ill in is no doubt a source of what we are seeing, but those institutions didn’t disappear yesterday. They’ve been gone for decades. Perhaps there is something to the end of institutionalization propagating increased numbers of the mentally ill.

Ultimately it seems to me that we have a culture in disarray. Incapable of dealing with the volume of dysfunctional and disabled people it produces. It would be really nice if we could come up with a solution that worked, unfortunately it seems like the thing with the most successful track record is individually applied compassion and direct assistance, and im not aware of any successful attempts to scale those much.

onrust88
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onrust88
1 year ago

And you did not have an IQ of 40 and paranoid schizophrenia.

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago

No one will hire a junkie or a tweeker. No one wants to hire drug addicts.
If you are not addicted to drugs you can get your act together with some focused effort.

Madrone is the best Supervisor in Humboldt
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Madrone is the best Supervisor in Humboldt
1 year ago

It’s comical when people who have never been homeless in Humboldt and don’t really know this subculture try to defend their behavior. The people that actually know what’s going for real don’t condone the trashing of our county. You want to be homeless? Be homeless! There’s nothing wrong with choosing to be homeless. The problem is the trash and drug paraphernalia littered around the camp sites. If the people choosing to be homeless kept their camps clean and drug needle free our community would be more accommodating, but when you’re choosing to be homeless and are destroying the environment and property values we got a problem! Not to mention the violence and crime. I have kids like many of us Humboldt residents and the homeless encampments in urban areas makes it unsafe for kids to bike & play around town or for families & elderly people to do daily things like go shopping. We have to take our community back and not be held hostage by drug addicts!

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Aaaa
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Aaaa
1 year ago

Maybe somebody could consider putting up flyers where they habituate, about where exactly they could get help from, social services, the shelters, Betty Chen, and provide the exact addresses and phone numbers and how to get to these services. The system can be difficult for even most people to navigate. Even if some flyers helped only a few it might be worth it, it wouldn’t cost anything.

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Madrone is the best Supervisor in Humboldt
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Madrone is the best Supervisor in Humboldt
1 year ago

With thousands of acres of forested land in Humboldt that’s prime for homeless camps why are the majority of the homeless in urban areas 🤔???? Because that’s where all the hard drugs are. The Meth, Heroin and Fentenayl! The junkies are camped in town, so they can be in walking 🚶‍♂️ distance to their drugs and drug dealers…….

Kym Kemp
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1 year ago

Something to consider though is groceries, showers, bus services, and libraries are not usually available in forested land–all important needs. And I’ve known homeless people that worked at jobs so needed to camp close to where they worked.

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

In the past, a person frequently got a day job from a charitable individual that included a back room to stay in. But then most tramps tended to have a moral compass instilled that limited the harm they did. They might steal at need but not in place of earning when they could. And they knew tolerance for them was not unlimited.

lol
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lol
1 year ago

Does the city zealously enforce camping and trespassing laws untill all available shelter beds are occupied?

Seven Pounds of Pressure
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Seven Pounds of Pressure
1 year ago

Hard labor work camps seem like a solution.

Like Glamping but harder.

Oh wait, then the government couldn’t give out all the free benefits.

Betty would be out of a job.😢

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago

Try to get a three year old to work when they don’t want to. Then think of the amount of “persuasion” it takes to keep a thirty year old man working when they don’t want to. Chain gangs and whips at minimum.

Country Joe
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1 year ago
Reply to  Nooo

If a healthy 30 year old man doesn’t want to work let him starve, until he decides to get a job and be responsible for himself. He doesn’t need a safety blanket, just work.

lyn
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lyn
1 year ago

25 years ago I was living in a small town in Northern Ca. Closing down the x-mas dinner at our vets hall there was one person left, a man in a wheelchair. Freezing outside I asked where he was going. “I’ll be ok, don’t worry about me”. Right ! I opened the door back up, there he spent the night. The next day I approached the Director of our Non-Profit organization sharing my concerns. About a week later, there he was, hooking up the electrical for 8 large shipping containers. Wee called it “River Rest”.
Now I don’t have my Masters or even a BA. It doesn’t take a rock scientist to run a shelter. Plus, I worked full time and could volunteer to be there in the evening and sleep overnight. Simple boundaries I established. No drugs or alcohol (I knew they were drinking and doing drugs but not around the campfire each night or getting so messed up they’d take a nose dive into the fire ! All personal property was stored in the morning via the residence into a separate secure shed. The shipping containers cleaned out completely in the morning, the camp closed at 6am (I had to be to work!). It opened at 6pm every night.
It worked … it’s simple. Complexity occurs when you loose the simple !
“keep it simple”
Residence know what’s available IF they want help … suggestion, Co-Dependent no more

onrust88
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onrust88
1 year ago
Reply to  lyn

Very similar situations were created during the Great Depression where communities provided safe and secure camps for people and their families. It can be done.

Taupe Toupeé
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Taupe Toupeé
1 year ago
Reply to  lyn

Thank you for sharing this and for providing the service!

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  lyn

How did you enforce these “simple rules?”

Aaaa
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Aaaa
1 year ago
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👍

Eyeball Kid
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1 year ago

You say you never compromise
With the mystery tramp, but now you realize
He’s not selling any alibis
As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
And say do you want to make a deal?

grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  Eyeball Kid

“Like A Rolling Stone”
Bob Dylan~

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago
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Bob Dylan is a republican and doesn’t give an eff.

Actually
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Actually
1 year ago
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True.

Country Joe
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1 year ago
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You’re spreading misinformation about Bob Dylan and republicans but hate on…
Indeed, over the years Dylan has donated many millions to charities like Amnesty International and Feeding America (which received all the U.S. royalties for his chart-topping 2009 Christmas album), but has done so with a minimum of fanfare or self-promotion.

Xebeche
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Xebeche
1 year ago

According to the United States Interagency Council on Homelessness, “The forced dispersal of people from encampment settings is not an appropriate solution or strategy, accomplishes nothing toward the goal of linking people to permanent housing opportunities, and can make it more difficult to provide such lasting solutions to people who have been sleeping and living in the encampment.”

Enough already
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Enough already
1 year ago
Reply to  Xebeche

So our answer should be to allow them to build the encampments until they are forced out by the built up trash and human feces, then they move to a different location and start all over? I’ ve watch volunteer groups risk their health and safety cleaning up the encampments week after week cleaning up after the encampment occupants. Very few encampment occupants take ownership in keeping their sites clean or maintained. Government programs are designed to make politicians feel good not solve the problems. With the open border and the influx of foreign immigrants flooding in our homeless populations and problems are just going to get worse. Our government hasn’t done anything up to this point to help curb the increase so we are going to see it continue to grow. The homeless population has to take more responsibility in policing and cleaning their own communities before the outside communities can or will accept them.

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  Xebeche

What do they say about trash, crime and sanitation?

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
Reply to  Xebeche

Well there’s a useless entity… the United States Interagency on Homelessness. With all these alphabet entities, why does the homeless population keep growing?

RICHARD BLOOMHUFF
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RICHARD BLOOMHUFF
1 year ago

Yo what’s sad is the lady crystal stewart that’s in the first couple pics and talks to them is my mom, I haven’t spoke to her since I was around 11 or 12 and this is the first picture I’ve seen of her since then

Kym Kemp
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1 year ago

Richard, I’m so sorry to hear that.

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago

I’m sorry, Richard, I hope someone was emotionally present in your life and cared for you as a child.
You are the second child of a homeless person I’ve seen to comment when their parent is featured in a local news story. His daughter wrote a heartbreaking account of how her father was both physically present and emotionally absent.

Aaaa
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Aaaa
1 year ago
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👍

MelBells
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MelBells
1 year ago

I recently moved to Charleston, SC from Arcata and I can assure you the rent is just as high, if not higher here (I’m paying $100 more a month for less space in Charleston; granted Charleston is an expensive city in the south). Also, after state taxes, I actually netted more income in CA than SC (I get paid the exact same amount). So, I can assure everyone that housing costs v income is affecting everyone in every state. Yet there’s hardly any homeless here compared to CA, or any town I visited on my way across the country. Three main differences: 1. obviously the temperate weather in CA allows for year around outdoor living. 2. the right of the average citizen to defend themselves. 3. the government benefits provided to the houseless people. When I tell locals in SC about the homeless criminals, junkies and mentally ill who openly harass people in the streets, they all laugh and say snidely “that would never happen here….” The citizens, state government and police do not allow and support that behavior. I never thought I’d actually say this, but seriously… the bleeding hearts in CA need to wake up and realize they’re doing this to themselves. One of my best girlfriend works as a purchasing agent for 5 homeless shelters in LA, and it’s jaw dropping what they gave those people during the pandemic. I would be outraged if I paid LA city taxes. And she always says the homeless are choosing that lifestyle and they don’t want it to change. Like another comment stated… who wouldn’t want to live on the beach doing any drug of your choosing while getting free food handed to you?

AnonD
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Anon
1 year ago
Reply to  MelBells

Yep. This. I’ve got relatives in Wyoming, New Mexico, and Tennessee. Trust me when I say( as u know in SC) , there are plenty of folks struggling . But u don’t have to watch where u step ie human feces, needles, aggressive panhandlers. It’s welcomed here, so here it is.

Dumboldt
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Dumboldt
1 year ago

I see the new camp starting along the safety corridor across from U Haul west of the road. Stop it before it gets bad . I wish the homeless were not such pigs. But we know they are unable to take care of themselfs.
Beg from you in the day steel from you at night. It wont be long before the public gets tired of it and starts to handle it themselfs.
Please help these people before that starts. Its not ok th live like this . forced housing and life training. And help for any not drugged out and are actually on hard times not by choice.

local observer
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local observer
1 year ago

I find it interesting that the two environmental groups involved didn’t require the property owner to go thru the coastal zone permit requirements include a full CEQA. such double standard bullshit considering they are requiring that process for a neighboring property owner dealing with the same homeless camp cleanup problem.

justanotherperson
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justanotherperson
1 year ago

it’s really wild to me how people look back on history, things like the great depression, dust bowl, western migration, bum camps, jungles, hobo camps, etc and are able/willing to talk about how it wasn’t the fault of the individuals living in them, but rather due to the banks, corporations, etc, and in the instance of today’s homeless encampments, it’s just rage against the poor folks living in them.

suspence
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suspence
1 year ago

I think it’s a lack of cognitive ability/mental health issues. I mean, sure it’s their fault but they don’t have the ability to “make it” in a conventional sense. Letting them live in squalor and occasionally displacing them seems more inhumane than forced incarceration into an institution.

Crap
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Crap
1 year ago

Here is a good idea. Get a job and work for a living. Instead of being homeless several of you with new found jobs can pool your money and get a place to live.

As for the homeless lady with the dog if you can’t afford a house how do you feed your dog? Why did you get a dog in the first place if you are homeless. Kids used to play in the green belt but not now it is not safe. Quit enabling this behavior by supporting them with hand outs.

As for the mentally ill ones they need to go into a facility of some sort and be taken care of. Quit handing out money to the lazy and the druggie and put it to facilities for the mentally ill

Kym Kemp
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1 year ago
Reply to  Crap

To offer a different perspective, just like homeowners, many homeless choose to have a dog (preferably a big dog) that can provide warning and protection as well as affection.

Alf
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Alf
1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Unfortunately, most dog owners in my area also shouldn’t own dogs. Most of them like to have them around for a short period of time and the put them out in the yard or let them roam the neighborhood. They don’t train them to behave and so they bark nonstop for hours. Maybe a license to own a dog based on ability and follow through? I love dogs, used to breed them and yet I hate most of the neighborhood dogs because of irresponsible owners.

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago
Reply to  Crap

The dog is likely protective for this woman and likely helps keep her warm at night.

Jim
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Jim
1 year ago
Reply to  Crap

Most, if not all, employers require an address to be hired. Sure, use a friends or relatives, but if found out I can imagine that job offer would go away. To answer your other statement about the dog: do you seriously think the money potentially saved by not having the animal would equate to housing? Even as a housed person, I can easily understand having a dog in a situation like that. Warmth when sleeping, protection, possibly better empathy from passerby, not to mention the positive mental effect.
I think you’re mistaken referring to this population as lazy; people obviously aren’t going to seek out a homeless lifestyle if they have any sort of choice in the matter. Drugs are usually just a reaction to the hopelessness and isolation. Kindly get real.

Alf
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Alf
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim

“Drugs are usually just a reaction to the homelessness and isolation.” Kindly get real. In my experience with the majority of the thousands I worked with, the drugs were indeed the cause for the downward spiral their lives took. I’ve served many former extremely successful people who were taken down by drugs. From there it’s a choice. Remain homeless and drugged out or seek help. How many of the people evicted from this criminal trespass camp were actually willing to accept offered services? If you think they have not made the choice to live this way, you are greatly mistaken.

Farce
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Farce
1 year ago

Aww…I thought it was Jerry and Merl

Steelhead
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Steelhead
1 year ago

So now I am an ECO Fascist because I care about the environment? Someone needs to grow up!

c u 2morrowD
Member
1 year ago

shyt ! that plywood is $80 a sheet

Brian
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Brian
1 year ago

Does Crystal have proper dog tags and insurance for her dog? Is the dog up on its rabies shots? The cops should check the status of all these dogs to ensure compliance with laws.

Kym Kemp
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1 year ago
Reply to  Brian

As far as I know, there is no requirement for insurance.

ThrivalistD
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Thrivalist
1 year ago

Moxy Alvarnaz so articulate and succinct . Griffith Too. Great coverage by kym’s team…interviewer/reporter clarifying questions awesome as well. Gives me hope! Thank you all!

Aaaa
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Aaaa
1 year ago

Provide an area at the edge of each town with bathrooms, or at least a latrine. Sad situation for all.

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
Reply to  Aaaa

They can dig their own slit latrine and maintain it. Good enough for US servicemen abroad, it’s good enough for the homeless in Eureka.

Aaaa
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Aaaa
1 year ago
Reply to  Resist

Correct. One thing for sure, is that if they come back, some type of bathroom or latrine would be needed, else some type of disease could develop. At least the Palco Marsh “devils playground” camp was at the end of town, with the bay on one side, the wind blowing thousands of miles out to sea.

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
1 year ago

Send them to Newsom and Obama’s houses.

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

Desantis sent illegal immigrants to Martha’s Vineyard where me Obama has a mansion on the sea shore.

The citizens of Martha’s Vineyard sent them elsewhere, thus creating a new spanglish word: desantis

“The gringos in Texas, desantis to Martha’s Vineyard saying the gringos there would welcome us with open arms. But then the gringos there, desantis somewhere else because they didn’t want us there.l

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
1 year ago
Reply to  Resist

And that sums up the democrat party, not in my backyard, in yours is much better, so suck it if you do not like it, you are a racist if you do not accept our solution. I say send 200k to Martha’s rotten vineyard as it is the available occupancy during the off-season. Let’s see how the special people react to that. Answer, they will wig out and use the National Guard to hunt them down and remove every last one of them. Cannot allow their children to be exposed to those dirty brown people. What a joke. They are Idiots and racists living up to the pro slavery, klan, Jim Crow, and anti civil rights heritage they founded and supported. Oh yes they did…don’t let them fool you with platitudes, as it is cover for ingrained hate snd subconscious feelings of intense regret for knowingly being participants in one of America’s worst problems. And they lash out and blame the anti slavery, Union, pro civil rights party in order to feel superior. Lame azz hypocrites who deserve no quarter ever until they publicly admit what they did.

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
1 year ago

Crystal and the others need to be asked by an intrepid reporter with a minut amount of interest how much money they get paid monthly by welfare, food stamps, and other free government money. Ask. It is more than $100 in free money for sure and that is the extreme low end if it exists. Her dog is a happy good looking dog. Hopefully he has a good life. If not, he looks like he would do well anywhere else but on a cement sidewalk.

As for the question of why these folks stay close to town, it is because they need to live close or they would shrivel up and die without city amenities and freebies. They could not handle living far away in the forest. In essence, they are city tough but country living wimps. As a result, the mentally ill should be scooped up and involuntarily committed, forever if necessary. That is a part of taxes worth paying for. The drug addicts should be hounded to oblivion and either driven to recover or driven out of town and told to never come back until proof of sobriety. The criminals should be incarcerated indefinitely until they learn their lesson. And the truly destitute should be given help and every opportunity to get on their feet with true kindness. (another part of taxes worth paying for).

Oh yea, any dogs being used and living in horrid conditions should be removed and sent to adoptive positive dog environments free from drugs, abusive jackals, screaming, yelling, fights, and unsanitary conditions.

fred krissman
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fred krissman
1 year ago

An excellent, and thoroughly depressing, article… My compliments to Ryan Hutson!

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago

Aaanddd… in other news…president* Joe Biden wants to limit Americans access to AR-15’s but can’t keep track of the M-16’s it has in inventory. (After the debacle in Afghanistan, that’s not surprising)

The question is, why would these morons let anyone know they obtained nearly a dozen M-16’s publicly?

https://thehitc.com/accidentally-sent-m16-atf-agents-raid-a-richmond-area-storage-unit-after-resellers-mistakenly-received-firearms/

farfromputin
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farfromputin
1 year ago

What a great article!

Kym Kemp
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1 year ago
Reply to  farfromputin

From the live stream to this article, Ryan did a solid job of reporting. I’m proud of her work.

justsayin
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justsayin
1 year ago

Here’s what you’re supposed to do Crystal. Be responsible, take care of yourself, stop blaming other people because you are lazy and your parents are failures. You and your dog can go home to mommy and daddy and tell them “You failed!” Please help me start over and grow up.

Hugh ManateeD
Member
1 year ago

It is actually quite simple…
If you want more of something, subsidize it.

We had subsidized the crap out of the homeless and drug addicted.
Not sure why anyone is surprised that we got more of it.

Prometheus
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Prometheus
1 year ago

This is a direct result of democrat politicians ignoring their oaths of office and refusing to make tough decisions necessary, to maintain law and order. Let’s get real. People who won’t work, who depend on government handouts and who try to game the system are an example of the dregs of society. These are nothing but drug addicts and vagrants that should have been arrested when they set up camp or made to move on…

Actually
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Actually
1 year ago
Reply to  Prometheus

So you want a police state to round up undesirables and then “do something with them”. In other words more government control of peoples lives. Got it. The conservative way!
Sounds oddly familiar though. Too bad siberia is already spoken for.

Alf
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Alf
1 year ago
Reply to  Actually

It is a crime to trespass on private property. It’s a crime to be dealing/using drugs. It’s a crime to destroy the environment. It’s not a police state to demand this behavior stops. Commit crimes, go to jail. That’s civilized society, unlike Humboldt.

Country Joe
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Alf

Spot on…

Country Joe
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Actually

I see you’re en enabler sooo…When vagrants break the law they should be prosecuted just like you and me…Get a job and quit pooping in our streets or get outta town. Perhaps you can fit a few bums in your yard to save them from Siberia…

local observer
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local observer
1 year ago
Reply to  Prometheus

once again, this is a direct result of not educating the kids of this community equally. it’s not very hard to come to that conclusion when the majority went to Zoe Barnum or California High. maybe the good old boy system wasn’t so good for some.

Aaaa
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Aaaa
1 year ago
Reply to  local observer

A life skills class couldn’t hurt. Thanks.

Aaaa
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Aaaa
1 year ago

Maybe Betty Chen could help Crystal house herself and her dog.

Linda Stansberry
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Linda Stansberry
1 year ago

Thank you for reporting on this Ryan!

R. Hutson
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1 year ago

Hi, Linda! Glad the issue is getting some attention, and I look forward to seeing what developments evolve from the situation.

Technics12s
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Technics12s
1 year ago

Rico, while cute, is one terrifying looking dog given that the “houseless” owner cant contain him

Grade8
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Grade8
1 year ago

The county paid the people on the south jetty to leave. guess where they went ? into your towns lol south jetty was the best possible Scenario

1crazymfD
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1crazymf
1 year ago

Affordable housing…
I work two jobs to afford my house and I should subsidize you?
I don’t think so

That Guy
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That Guy
1 year ago

Is everybody overlooking the fact that these cleanups are once again liberal cities changing face prior to elections(midterms)? Liberals don’t give a crap about displaced people or the effects on society. It’s all about the almighty vote!

c u 2morrowD
Member
1 year ago

unfortunately some of these people have exhausted all opportunities that were afforded to them.

local observer
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local observer
1 year ago
Reply to  c u 2morrow

one can assume that going to Zoe Barnum vs St Bernards comes with different opportunities. the civic problems that plague Eureka and every other mid size rural town in the US are far from rocket science. the problem however is not fixable, only preventable. if we start right now it will be better in 20 years, if we don’t it will never change and only get worse. but no one likes 20 year plans.

Ben Round
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Ben Round
1 year ago

This is one of the best covered stories I have yet seen on RHBB, Kym. A complex situation that provokes emotions on all sides.
My POV is aligns with the women who spoke of us ALL being part of a community. One of the things I appreciate about being in So Hum is that people of all types, even those who seem to have less financial or mental capacities are generally respected and have a place.
I agree that we need to offer basic services to people, and set boundaries about how they need to maintain their environment in exchange. It’s unfortunate the people (agency/ school) who owned that land were not pro-active to think of this before they pulled the rug out (and took it!) from some of the most challenged people in OUR community.

Country Joe
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Ben Round

This is nothing new…Vagrants and drug addicts don’t care about your boundaries as they have none.

Kym Kemp
Admin
1 year ago
Reply to  Ben Round

Ryan did a excellent piece.

Aaaa
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Aaaa
1 year ago

Just a suggestion.

1.
Remove the underbrush in that area (if they haven’t already).

2.
Provide lighting in that area, throughout that wooded area, or at least as much as possible, or even in a few portions there. (Use solar and or motion lights for cost effectiveness).

Those 2 things alone would solve most of the problem and keep it from happening there again. Those that prey on those just seeking shelter don’t like light. It’s been shown that lighting up areas is enough to help deter crime.

Certainly adding more lighting (if cost effective couldn’t hurt).

Though it doesn’t address where those in need of shelter could go, it would be a win, win situation solution to keep that area safer.

Alf
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Alf
1 year ago

So it’s been 4 days since this “eviction” and “cleanup” happened. Are they really concerned about this long term? It doesn’t appear they are. The fence hasn’t been put back and the tweakers have already started dumping heavily again. One old man came dragging his wagon out of there earlier today after he obviously stayed there. It would be really great to see a follow up story so we can hear from the Office of Education, ECC, EPD and others involved telling us whether the eviction and cleanup is going to be maintained and the property become something other than the crime ridden eyesore it has been for years.

R. Hutson
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Alf

It shall be done. Thank you for the input here. I look forward to following up on the issue, and intend to answer those questions you pose above.

Alf
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Alf
1 year ago
Reply to  R. Hutson

Thank you!

Al_Stereo
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Al_Stereo
1 year ago

Thank you officers for clearing this area. They should arrest all these people all these people in jail and fine them for ruining the environment. Fine them for environmental remediation and fine them for use of police time and services. You want to camp on a piece of land you can go to a designated campground or buy your own piece of property and camp on it.