Eureka City Council Meeting Halted After Members of the Audience Refuse to Comply with Mask Mandate
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The December 21st meeting of the Eureka City Council was abruptly halted when two members of the public audience refused to comply with the Humboldt County Mask Mandate. The council left the chamber while Eureka City Police dealt with the outraged crowd, eventually escorting one man out of the building while another seemed to leave under his own volition.
The disturbance began when Councilmember Kim Bergel halted the beginning of the open comment section of the meeting to say, “I’d like to bring forward a point of order before we continue public comment. …In chambers we are required to wear masks, that is part of why we’re here, so if you’d please put your mask on that would be very helpful… and if you won’t, we do have other options, I suppose, but hopefully you’ll take one for the team.”
A person off-camera can be heard questioning, “So I should be denied government services, city council services?” Councilmember Bergel responded, “You’re not. You may go and call in.”
The man in question, could be heard off-camera during the zoom-recorded meeting questioning his options and stating that he was medically exempt from wearing a mask. “Are you providing me a computer to do so? Or a dial-up system to do so? [Are] you providing me with that ability to do so, because I was able to get here and by denying me the ability to speak or be part of this meeting, you’re denying [my] constitutional rights under the federal laws,” he stated.
The Council adjourned the meeting without further response. The meeting resumed within a short time with a statement from Mayor Seaman:
“We really want to make sure that when people come to City Hall that they’re able to say what they need to say but do that while following the rules of the county, the city, and the state…And keep everybody safe. So, if you do not have a mask on, please put it on so that we can allow folks who are here for public comment to come up and make their public comment. …If you do not have a mask on, our police officers will escort you out of the building.”
The meeting was once again halted for an additional three minutes while Eureka City Police (EPD) officers dealt with the non-compliant members of the public audience.
In a separate video posted to rumble.com that appears to have been recorded by the man in question, viewers can see an unused mask in his hand, while he and other members of the public question EPD officers about the validity of the mask mandate and what codes they were violating by not complying.
“This is what tyranny looks like. We have constitutional rights!” one audience member shouted.
“We are trying to take part [in] the democratic process,” explained another.
“If I put this [mask] on, you’ll be violating my federal rights under the constitution,” said one man.
It appeared in the video that the man stating medical exemption, left the council meeting of his own accord after asking the other members of the public if they had other items besides masking, to discuss with the adjourned council.
Another video posted to rumble.com showed the audience and one blonde man in particular facing off with an EPD officer who stated, “Put on the mask or leave.” Instead, the man continued to question what county, state, or federal law or code allowed the officer the authority to enforce the statement. The blonde man warned, “I personally don’t think that’s very smart.”
The blonde man was eventually escorted out of City Hall, but not before standing at the doorway stating that “Seventy percent of black people can’t enter a building [in New York],” and “The city wants to be liable for this… This is a huge lawsuit.”
When the public comment portion of the meeting resumed, all but two speakers spoke to their frustrations with the city’s response to the COVID pandemic, particularly the belief of the ineffectiveness of masking and alleged risks and effectiveness of vaccines.
In what appears to be a contradictory move on the council’s part, two public commenters lowered their masks below their mouths while making public comment. Nothing was said by the mayor, council or EPD officers about the breach of masking mandate that can be seen or heard on the recording.
For the full video of the December 21st Eureka City Council Meeting, see below.
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This story is too silly to contemplate…
How rude!
Not sure what you’re referring to. Are you saying the person escorted out of the building by eight carloads of cops was rude, or are you saying it was rude of the City Council to stop the meeting and call eight carloads of cops to escort one man who was no threat to them or anyone else out of the building?
To add to their rudeness, after throwing their little tantrum, they deducted that time from the public comment period, totally disregarding the fact that they were responsible for the wasted time.
So who was rude?
I am having a hard time figuring out why you can’t see that the people who wouldn’t mask or leave were rude.
Obviously, it is a stupid time to have large gatherings of any kind, especially when COVID infection is increasing and in a County where people refuse to be vaccinated.
I would say that the business of the City of Eureka, however important, could be conducted by ZOOM or some such media… Then there would be no need for wasting the time of the Police, to remove rude people…
“Covid infection is increasing…”. You mean positive Covid test numbers? Numbers driven by completely unreliable tests? Tests which, even if proven to be a false positive, are still recorded as a positive by the health department?
Cases mean nothing. Illnesses and deaths (actual Covid deaths, not deaths from heart attacks, or strokes, or cancer, or COPD etc. which are called Covid deaths because the person was exposed to Covid before they died) are what matter.
We haven’t been seeing much of that.
Then let us pretend??? that Covid isn’t the reason all those deaths accured??? Then what is KILLING so many at the same time, in town’s population, cities, state’s????? This is not a game, if it is, we as human’s are the problem.
We, as humans ARE the problem, but not what you think. What is killing people is their own poor health, which directly affects their ability to fight SARSCoV2, which causes ‘Covid’ and stupidity, or to put it more kindly, ignorance; Are you thinking you are ‘safe’ and that others are protecting you if they wear a mask? How about the vaccine? Sadly, people would rather go through extreme measures that only offer a false sense of security , than change their poor eating habits!! Being deficient in vitamin D3 is a huge factor in becoming severely ill with covid. So is being FAT , along with already having a life threatening condition, in other words, already dying from something else. How many people come down with covid wear masks religiously and are vaccinated?? Good health is and always will be the best defense against illness. Prove me wrong. You can’t …
Pay attention. They are not even doing PCR except for confirmation.
I agree that PCR tests are incorrectly used for screening, but we tend to use what we got…
COVID testing is big business. Don’t knock it and hold your QDX stock…
As far as what’s important, IMO it is important to protect your own health, since the government is too corrupt, incompetent and self-serving to do it for you…
They are doing only PCR at the Wharfinger Building. When I received a positive result from that, I immediately called my doctor and was re-tested using both the PCR and the quick-test. Both came back negative, but the Public Health Nurse yelled at me for not believing the first test and refused to remove it from the rolls.
So yes, I’ve been paying attention.
The blog is not allowing any thumbs up to someone that they do not agree with.You will always be attacked if the bloggers disagree with Kym’s posts.
You have to be signed in to put a thumbs up/down.
DING.DING.DING, WE HAVE A WINNER!!! YES PLEASE, LET US ALL DO IT BY ZOOM, THAT IS PERFECT!!!
The guy without the mask. There is your answer.
No, that is your answer. The question was rhetorical. I already knew my answer.
I’m curious why your thumbs up doesn’t work and only your thumbs down?????
IT’S A SHIT SHOW, THOSE GUYS NEED SOME ATTENTION. MY RIGHTS, MY RIGHT’S, DAMN CRYING BABIES, NO WONDER OUR KIDS ARE ALSO ACTING OUT, LIKE TODDLER’S. IT IS LEARNED BEHAVIOR. SAY WHAT YOU WANT, JUST PUT THE MASK ON, FUCK. HUMAN’S ARE A DYING. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE RIGHT’S TO GET OTHER’S SICK, AND DIE. YOU SAY THE RIGHT TO NOT DO THE HUMANE THING, IT IS AN EASY ANSWER TO DISEASES, AS BABIES, TODDLER’S AND NOW THE GROWN UPS, YET YOU ALL MADE THIS ABOUT, NO ONE CAN MAKE ME. THANK YOU FOR NOT GIVING A SHIT ABOUT ALL PEOPLE!!! THANK YOU TO THE PEOPLE THAT CARE ENOUGH, TO GET VACCINATED TO KEEP ALL OTHER’S ALIVE. GROW ARE PAIR, AND JUST DO IT!! THIS IS NOT A FAKE VIRUS. DIG DEEP INTO YOUR HEART, GOD PUT US HERE IN GOOD FAITH TO HELP EACH OTHER. HE WILL END THIS BECAUSE WE FAILED HUMANITY. I TOOK THE SHOTS AND BOOSTER, FOR MY FAMILY, AND ALL PEOPLE WORKING IN PUBLIC STORE’S, POST OFFICE’S AND ECT. CAP LOC ON FOR MY EYE’S.
Watch TV much?
spoken like a true cro-mag
The people questioning the legality of the mask mandate are on to something. Just because a government official declares something is required doesn’t mean they automatically have the legal right to do so. On the other hand, if you don’t play by the rules in question in order to state your challenge, you’ll likely be shut down as in the case here. If you want to be heard, play by the rules if you want to be heard and allowed to state your challenge.
One of the people had a medical exemption and the other had a religious exemption, both of which are allowed under the mandates.
I know that as a retailer no religious or medical exemption will get you in the store maskless. Don’t know how that right to refuse service applies to a public governmental meeting. We do offer anyone a free disposable mask if they want to shop with us.
“if they want to shop with us.”
No thanks
I just take my business elsewhere, unless it’s something i absolutely have to have and your store is the only place I can get it. Otherwise, as much as I like to support local businesses, I’d rather shop online than support a business with a mask mandate.
And I feel the opposite. I absolutely won’t go into a store that doesn’t enforce the Humboldt County a mask mandate. I’m remembering the ones that make me feel comfortable while shopping because of their care for my health and especially my elderly family members’ health and I imagine that warm feeling will carry over for years into the future.
Nice.
I got no problem wearing a mask, aside from it being a bit suffocating. The N95 masks are a little easier for me to breathe through than the surgical types.
Just as an aside, the masks only work about a third as well against Omicron, from what I have gathered, due to a higher viral load.
Just a heads up.
what’s a third of zero?
zackly
Kym, you have a right to choose to NOT participate in public gatherings/functions/events.
I do. And I avoid as many as I can and still complete my job and feed my family.
Someone who is choosing not to wear a mask also has the same choices plus they know should they not wear a mask they are in clear violation of County and business policy as well as running opposite to what is known at this time about how to minimize the spread of a deadly disease.
LOL as someone that refuses to be Rosa Parks I will go into ANY store I please with no masks, and I have, WinCo, Walmart, all the gas stations, walgreens, rite-aid, CVS, NONE OF THEM GIVE A CRAP because they know that the dollar is more important then some stupid illegal unconstitutional decree. So good luck finding a store that will enforce the crap. I have only found 2 places sofar that actually try, and that was bear river gas station and blue lake gas station, guess the natives are more afraid of disease, probably makes sense for them, history of the white man bringing diseases and all right. Good luck FORCING your fears upon me. LIVE FREE, HUMAN RIGHTS.
I watched Costco, the Fortuna Grocery Outlet, and the Miranda Market ask people to put on masks. However, I’m sure there are stores that don’t care. (I already have two in Fortuna that I won’t shop in again because even their employees weren’t wearing masks even though I was previously a fan and loved supporting their small businesses.)
But I do hope that in your quest to LIVE FREE that you continue to wear pants, shoes, and shirts into stores as they request.
I’m not sure how much the masks help. But I do it out of respect for the people that work there they have to wear them for eight hours and I’m probably going to be in the store for 15 minutes I think they don’t hassle a lot of people about not wearing masks not because there in it for the money but because They don’t like dealing with assholes
So do you also deny service to those with other types of medical conditions ? What about to people with other transmitted diseases ? Maybe to people that aren’t hygienic as well ? Seems to me like someone is singling out certain conditions and deserves a hefty legal suit
Smell is a reason
Its a dick move to go into a public space unmasked. Period. It shows that the person doing it feels they are more important than others around them. I dont think their reason for being mad about wearing a mask is founded in reality. These entitled, uncompassionate, misled people are the reason this virus is dragging on and on and on. Oh! Our rights! Our rights! They say… their rights to disregard the health of the community because somethig is inconvienient. Your rights arent worth anything if youre dead from an avoidable virus.
I must wonder if the those citizens were protesting like those in Portland etc last summer would they have been treated the same? or allowed to carry out their protest?
FYI to the ‘Freedom’ crooners. Since the founding of our country in the eighteenth century, Public Health departments have been granted, “Civil Police Powers”. You know, like ordering the closure of cockroach infested restaurants. Maybe some folks would see that as a cock roachment of their liberty too. The civil powers of Public Health have been upheld through a long series of case law, including Supreme Court rulings. We live in a democracy, governed by the rule of law and the constitution. Get used to it. And don’t be rude. It’s ugly and no one wants to deal with it.
Thing about those, “Civil Police Powers,” is they’re supposed to be reserved for times of crisis. Just because we’ve been told over and over ad nauseum on our TVs that we’re all going to diiee doesn’t make it so.
Allowing these over-reaches of power just leads to further over-reaches. At what point are you willing to say, “Enough?”
Good work! Plant a couple ‘anti-maskers’ at every meeting and you may never have to fill another pothole. And the money you’ll save! You could send away to Virginia for another pretty orange banner!
Exactly what I was thinking. No more pesky public comment period.
The public comment period is just for show, anyway. the Council hides their boredom behind their masks and couldn’t give a rat’s ass about what we have to say. Now, if there were some grant money to be spent, they’d probably be all ears but alas, we’re just pesky peons taking up their time, keeping them from getting on to the real business of doling out syringes and putting festive banners up and down Fourth and Fifth to draw tourists’ eyes up and away from the sidewalks with their homeless brigades, needle little and human filth.
Yes, they already have their minds made up. And Bergel thinks shes the Queen. This is the worst council ever and there never has been a good one. The only 2 good council people in fifty years.were McMurray and Flemming.
Did he have a letter from a doctor stating he shouldn’t wear a mask. Did he have a vaccination and booster shot card? If not then he should be advised to write a letter to the Council.
What would having a vax or booster shot card have to do with it? And he was given no opportunity to produce said note from a doctor — not that any doctor would write such a note. They’re all scared for their jobs if they speak out about Covid.
Show us the City code that explicitly outlaws wearing poopy pants. You may have a medical condition, but maybe those days it’s better to write a letter, or call, instead of coming in person. Just saying…for your own pride.
Did he have antibodies?
Had he recovered from Covid19 recently?
Did he have a recent negative test?
Did they bother asking him any of those questions?
Did they screen audience members for Covid19?
Did they screen the council members?
Did they screen the EPD?
It’s funny, the council members don’t sit six feet apart at the dias, yet they expect us to observe social distancing in the audience. I’ve watched Kim Bergel walk into the courthouse completely maskless, and they allowed people to speak without masks after their little tantrum at the beginning of this meeting, yet they felt the need to have seven or eight cops escort one man out of the building even though he was putting them in no danger, and violating no laws. I would say the hypocrisy is astounding, but I am far beyond being astounded at the shenanigans of this gang of tyrants.
I see unmasked people many places and doesn’t get a reaction from employees or other patrons. I’m not saying they don’t do ANY good but is the limited benefit of masks worth all the inconvenience and arguments? Do masks cut covid spread 5%, 2%, or even 1%? Does anyone know of a scientific study documenting mask benefit, not just the general statement oft heard that “masks help in combination with vaccination, distancing, and cleaning”?
Yes:
A cotton mask reduced viral uptake by the receiver head by up to 40% compared to no mask. An N95 mask, used by medical professionals, blocked up to 90%. However, even when the N95 was fitted to the face with tape, some virus particles still sneaked in.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan-masks-idUSKBN2770DX
Read more about it before asking anything.
Remarkably consistent with that study, would be the 40% less cases seen in masked Missouri counties
She and her colleagues showed July 2020 mask mandates in St. Louis and St. Louis County quickly and dramatically slowed infection rates. After three weeks, the average daily growth rate of coronavirus cases was 44 percent lower than in Franklin, St. Charles and Jefferson counties without the policy. And after 12 weeks, it was still 40 percent lower. The trend held when they last looked at rates in January, she said.
Her study has been submitted for publication in an academic journal, and is undergoing review.
https://bangordailynews.com/2021/12/04/news/nation/missouri-governor-lashes-out-after-its-revealed-his-office-buried-a-study-showing-mask-mandates-work/
An easy test: Don a mask, now spit.
When’s the last time someone spit on you? Is that seriously why you want everyone to wear a mask, because you’re afraid someone’s going to spit on you? Perhaps you should be asking yourself what you’ve been doing to be worthy of such contempt.
What days do moderate at that website you mentioned?
You seem pretty active here suddenly.
What website do you moderate at anyway?
Christ on a cracker
It’s AIRBORNE
Masks work; you gotta wear them over your blow holes
BOTH of them
Something tells me it’s not uncommon for people you have conversations at to get a little saliva and perhaps some oatmeal spray.
Some people, like the President*, spit when they talk.
better yet…see if you can still smell a fart with a mask on. If you can, you can still get SARSCoV2…
…
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html
The reason you see deniers of the effectiveness of mask people not being confronted by employees of businesses is because there have been shootings as a result. When I worked retail, I got so frigging tired of asking/telling people to put the mask on properly.
JUST GET THE JAB, WEAR THE MASK, AND STOP BEING SO GODDAMN STUPID.
I’m in SoCal right now and maybe 40 percent of people wear masks inside and 10 percent west them outside and people are out and about like i haven’t seen since 2019.
Humboldt is an island of hypochondria
So Cal is a continent of covid too. “The number of San Diego County residents hospitalized with the coronavirus increased from 332 to 355, while the number of those patients in intensive care declined from 94 to 92, according to the latest state figures.”
https://patch.com/california/san-diego/san-diego-county-sees-increase-covid-19-hospitalizations
Now of course, whatever is floating around there can be brought here and generously shared by those who also refuse to do anything to prevent it. Well, Humboldt County is always late coming to the party.
Yep, we’re, “late coming to the party,” as proven back in 2019 when, according to the exponential spread theorists, the whole world should have been infected by Thanksgiving.
We didn’t get our first recorded case until three months later, so I guess we are a little slow…
“according to the exponential spread theorists,”
These are the same people who failed this test miserably, and then pretended they never took it rather than concede to truth.
They are the same people that pretend that Youtube (the entire internet) is invalid, no matter the source, when it contradicts them.
They are the same people who wrongly and arrogantly claimed 6% IFR rates, shots stop the spread, shots stop covid, rare side effects, lockdowns work, and yet continue to spout the same, demonstrably wrong bullshit.
That is what makes them a cult.
“So Cal is a continent of covid too”
So is NY and VT and a million other locked down, masked up, heavily “vaccinated” places. Tired of losing arguments yet? Yawwwwn.
Anti vaxxers are like a distortion of that old tag line about Vietnam- they declare victory but still won’t go home. No one, even anti vaxxers, write “yawn” and mean it when writing comments- it is sheer posturing.
The vaccine didn’t and wont stop the inevitable. It will slow and prolong it at best. Great it reduces hospitalizations. That’s good. What’s the end game though and how will it be better then our current strategy.
Scapegoating antivaxers isn’t a legitimate argument since without us it still will spread through you and animals. Plus the rest of the world cant maintain being boosted and now the booster has limited efficacy duration against omicron (10 weeks) .
You think splitting hairs is going to tip the tide.
I’m sure he meant ‘yawn’ when he said it.
It sums up how tired of having to counter divisive, intolerant and ignorant misinformation from Vax nannies people are. Pushy people who are constantly wrong about the subject matter and still act like they have credibility or authority to give medical advice. ?
“40 percent of people wear masks inside”
Then surely they will all die like everyone in Sweden.
Yup. Your kind of people- “The decision to have the microchips implanted under the skin is “increasingly popular” and comes amid tightening pandemic restrictions heading into the winter, according to Aftonbladet.” https://www.newsweek.com/people-get-microchips-implanted-that-include-vaccine-records-amid-new-covid-restrictions-1655916
I can’t imagine what makes people here so paranoid.
“When I worked retail”
Bless your little heart for being so courageous.
It’s better to keep your opinions on people’s judgement of what is right and wrong until after this experiment is finished.
What we cannot see and extrapolate on, is the day to day practices of those people who get sick and recover, and those who continue to trust in the profiteers of sickness.
Stupid today, may very well be the key to survival tomorrow.
I don’t know, it’s just a hunch.
Be kind, stay human .
Well said kind sir, you are a scholar and a gent. I applaud you for seeing things for face value in a world of confusion and hysteria
I truly mean this btw
In Oregon only the employees of business’ wear masks, EVERYWHERE.oh and while you’re at a salad bar or buffet,and I think that is good even if there were no covid lol.point is that with such a relaxed mask useage Oregons covid cases have remained unchanged.
Except that is not true – Oregon is on an upswing. https://ktvz.com/news/coronavirus/2021/12/23/oregon-reports-8-more-covid-19-deaths-1350-new-cases/
Eh…I think I remember one shooting last year, yet here you’re giving that as the reason store employees are not jacking people up for not wearing masks. Perhaps the real reason is those store employees (and owners) don’t believe in it themselves, and only wear one themselves out of fear that someone like you will call the Health Department on them.
I suggest you wear a mask if you feel like it, get the jab if you’re so inclined, and leave the rest of us the f**k alone.
Or maybe, people just figure that if they have to stand arguing with a person who refuses to follow the rules, they are exposing themselves more than if they detour around the person. I know that was my thinking when I steered my elderly mother away from the young guy who must have pulled his mask off in Costco last week as staff were checking people at the door.
He thought his rights were more important than my mom’s rights. I thought he was an ass but I was more concerned with her safety than informing him of my opinion.
Not to be rude, but perhaps if you were so concerned for your mother’s health you shouldn’t have had her out in public during a pandemic.
That’s the way these things used to be done and people got along fine.
Considering the uselessness of masks it really doesn’t matter whether you’re standing next to an un-masked or a masked person. Air circulates throughout a room and believe me, if there are any virus particles to be had, a ridiculous cloth or paper mask is not going to stop them.
In response to your, “maybe,” you can theorize all you want but I’ve made a point since the beginning of this thing to ask the employees I encounter what they think of it all. Almost without exception they’ve told me they think masks are useless and they only wear one because they have to. Your experience may be different than mine, because I seek out businesses which are not rabid about masks and make a point of patronizing them, but I still run into the occasional, “you’re killing my grandma!” types and I can do nothing but feel sorry for them.
Maybe they shouldn’t be parading their grandma around in public if they’re so scared of a bug.
You’re right. All people over 60 should just stay home and not buy groceries rather than ask a healthy person in his late thirties to wear a mask for the time he’s in a grocery store. Of course, that would mean I couldn’t buy groceries or…run my website which perhaps, foolishly I think has value. I weigh it like this…people having to wear masks (mild inconvenience) against people not being able to buy groceries or do their jobs (pretty serious hardship).
Silly me thinking those needs are more important than that of people who are afraid of a strip of cloth—WHICH the health officials all recommend and in the case of Humboldt County has been mandated in that store.
Why don’t you just follow the law and the rules of that business?
Also masks do work:
“Compelling data now demonstrate that community mask-wearing is an effective nonpharmacologic intervention to reduce the spread of this infection, especially as source control to prevent spread from infected persons, but also as protection to reduce wearers’ exposure to infection.” https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536
In the British Medical Journal November issue states that the “results of additional studies that assessed mask-wearing…indicate a reduction in covid-19 incidence, SARS-CoV-2 transmission, and covid-19 mortality. Specifically, a natural experiment across 200 countries showed 45.7% fewer covid-19 related mortality in countries where mask-wearing was mandatory.” https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068302
JAMA Study states, “Exposure is greater the closer a person is to the source of exhalations. Larger droplets fall out of the air rapidly, but small droplets and the dried particles formed from them (ie, droplet nuclei) can remain suspended in the air. In circumstances with poor ventilation, typically indoor enclosed spaces where an infected person is present for an extended period, the concentrations of these small droplets and particles can build sufficiently to transmit infection.” https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536
“Also masks do work:”
Well that settles it then. Uhhh, no they don’t.
Masks don’t work. – Steve Kirsch’s newsletter (substack.com)
Here, let me reply for you: Steve Kirsch is a conspiracy theorist and has been debunked by the fact checkers at AP. Therefore, despite everyone on earth in Mar 2020 conceding masks don’t work, then in April (with NO new data) saying they do, I believe Fauci, the bought and paid for bureaucrat.
And even though the links are from sites I consider credible, I will ignore them because they are presented on someone I disagree with’s website.
Here let me rephrase that for you.
We have multiple peer reviewed studies showing masks work. And we have your opinion backed up by a conspiracy theorist.
The funny (funny weird, not funny ha-ha) thing about this whole debate is we’re talking about protection from a virus which most people would never know they had, had they not been tested; a virus which sickens few and kills even less; a virus so deadly the numbers have to be fraudulently manipulated to get them up high enough to worry people — in other words, we’re fighting about something that would be a non-issue if it had not been presented to us over and over as an existential crisis for the last two years.
The Omicron variant is producing symptoms that can be dealt with with a shot of Nyquil (or peppermint tea with honey and lemon, and a shot of Scotch, for that matter), yet here we are still arguing about whether a man without a mask is going to kill grandma.
At what point do we recognize the Wizard is just a man behind a curtain pulling levers, and realize the whole thing’s been a sham?
With u on this. I’m gonna preach to the choir here,apologies. Far too late to reverse much of the damage I fear. To folks who disagree theres more going on here than COVID: Alot of us read the COVID info,tried to make sense of CDC numbers, changing mandates. We complied w work/ school shutdowns/restrictions, watched our friends / family members our children suffer the psychological effects of no school , social isolation,loss of businesses,and death in some cases.( We love our families and friends too ) Many of us nervously rolled up a sleeve to keep ppl safe w the hope of returning all our lives to normal. But “flattening the curve”, became”we just need a BIGGER percentage vaxx rate” “just more masking till the numbers are lower,
” until new strains are dealt with” ” until kids are vaxxed, ”
“until boosters” “until we force u bc u cant travel,work, leave ur country, move freely without your papers” Authoritarian regimes worldwide removing More personal freedoms. Doesn’t this make u nervous? And our community? Just vicious hateful attacks on folks who even stop to question anything. Peace to you Steve. Thx for the space to rant Kym.
“We have multiple peer reviewed studies showing masks work”
We have more showing they don’t. Then we have the opinion of a blogger.
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You can use old studies or you can look at the lastest. Here’s the CDC’s look at masking studies as of earlier this month. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html Here’s an excerpt from overview of just one of the studies they looked at:
“A large, well-designed cluster-randomized trial in Bangladesh in late 2020 found that surgical or cloth mask distribution, role-modeling, and active mask promotion tripled mask use to 42.3% in intervention villages compared to 13.3% in comparison villages. In villages receiving mask interventions, symptomatic seroprevalence of SARS-CoV-2 was reduced by approximately 9% relative to comparison villages. In villages randomized to receive surgical masks, symptomatic seroprevalence of SARS-CoV-2 was significantly lower (relative reduction 11.1% overall). The results of this study show that even modest increases in community use of masks can effectively reduce symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections (COVID-19).37”
“Prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 was reduced by approximately 9%”
9% ! That’s your rebuttal? The great PROOF your nasty kerchief will save grandmothers far and wide?
Whoo ! If that’s all you got. You got nuttin’, just like the entire nutter Humboldt hypochondriacs insanely paranoid that EVERYONE is positive.
Why are people and our “ill health officials” so obtuse to 1. The acquired immunity possessed by the vast numbers already infected . And , 2. If you operate under the premise that we have huge numbers currently asymptomatic (omg no mask ? You’re trying to kill my mom!) that makes the death rate infinitely LOWER than the infinitesimal 1±% the CDC claims, which would make it basically zero risk.
You can’t have it both ways, unless you ignore obvious realities, and basic math.
It’s just looking more and more like mass mental illness at this point. . .
“You can use old studies or you can look at the lastest”
In the same way you didn’t look at the Steve Kirsch link, that debunks the Bangladesh study, you didn’t bother looking at any of the FORTY links. You are an ideologue that can’t admit wrong. Debating you is as boring and predictable as it is pointless.
Maybe cause mandates are not laws.
Mandates and laws are effectively the same thing as far as the way they are enforced. “A judicial command, order, or precept, written or oral, from a court; a direction that a court has the authority to give and an individual is bound to obey.” https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/mandate
‘…as far as the way they are enforced.’
Because I’ve done a lot of stupid shit in my life, and at 61, I’m tired of it.
Life is hard. It’s even harder if you’re stupid
‘ John Wayne ‘
EXCEPT that it is not all people over 60 at risk. I know people in their 70’s and 80’s who caught it and recovered. The best way to protect people is spreading the word that good health is the best defense against getting covid. If you are not already taking at least 1000 mg. of vitamin D3 a day, you should consider it. California is one of the only states with these draconian mask mandates and has the highest deaths. My question is WHY the ‘health officials’ are NOT telling people how to be healthy. They are recommending a mask and shots instead…that doesn’t make sense.
Also, what, “rights,” of your mother’s do you think were being violated? This is a serious question. I see this all the time: “My rights were violated by that mask-less person!”
Would that be God-given rights? Man-made rights? And what specific, “right,” has been violated by a perfectly healthy person not acting like they have a disease?
inquiring minds want to know.
The maskless person in a store is violating the law in Humboldt County and, in the case of Costco, violating their policy, and violating the right of my mom and myself (both over 60 and in a high risk category) to safely shop for groceries. (In addition, wearing a mask promotes commerce which is good for businesses and the economic health of our area. The less people fear they will get infected, the more likely they are to shop.)
When looked at on the least level…even if masks don’t work (which they objectively do–especially if the wearer uses filtered masks), the person who is asked to wear a mask but doesn’t believe in them is inconvenienced. The person who is exposed to a person not wearing a mask (of course multiplied by the number of people not wearing masks) is afraid that they are being exposed to a potentially fatal disease. Justified fear vs inconvenience…no contest.
Even if I didn’t believe in masks, I’d wear them out of courtesy for those who believe, along with the overwhelming number of public health officials, that they provide a measure of safety.
At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if proper masking does more to prevent Covid19 than the vaccines do…
they are both equally (non) effective.
Costco has special hours for the elderly where the general public is not allowed. Extra safe. I’m sure masks are heavily enforced at those times.
Kim with all due respect it is not a “law”. it is a mandate based on a recommendation and guidance. not a law.
To Vaxx, with all due respect, Mandates and laws are effectively the same thing as far as the way they are enforced. A mandate is “[a] judicial command, order, or precept, written or oral, from a court; a direction that a court has the authority to give and an individual is bound to obey.” https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/mandate
So your definition above says it has to come from a court.
Can you site the court order for mask mandates?
Running behind. Here’s an article to explain this to you: https://alldifferences.com/difference-between-mandate-and-law/
“Can you site the court order for mask mandates?”
Evidentally not
I gotta agree with Kym here.
Mandated.
As in mandatory.
Statists are not psychologically capable of understanding the concept of challenging the authority of the courts direction, as their schema is one lead/ruled by fear.
I believe that the state of emergency / aka pandemic was never independently verified by a neutral 3rd party. So there might be something to the complete lack of LEGAL authority to justify an emergency in the first place. We need to remove these EMERGENCY declarations, and all the garbage that comes afterwards.
All masks are not created equal.
The cloth masks are no match against Omicron.
The N95 masks provides a significantly greater level of safety.
2 to 5 times the level of cloth masks.
Should N95 masks be mandated?
N95 masks are the best. But even just double cloth masks help. I personally like the masks with removeable filters that are easy to wash.
So your moms “rights” were not actually violated. you just expect those who have serious questions regarding the effectiveness of mask should help propagate what many feel is unjustified fear.
She has more of a “right” to expect to shop free from encountering those who do not mask–there is a county mandate and a store policy enforcing wearing a mask–than you do not to wear a mask. You have no “right” at all as long as those mandates and policies are in place.
There are stores and states that don’t have those mandates and policies, I avoid them. Why don’t you avoid the ones that do require masks?
Even if you didn’t believe in masks, how long would you wear them out of courtesy for those who believe? 2 years?forever?until the mask believers don’t believe anymore?
It is a religion.
Many of us never prayed to the alter….
Many of us us are not praying to the alter anymore…
How long will you pray?
“Justified fear”..Spoken like a true Statist,.. and an amateur debater who has not yet learned how to avoid logical fallacies.
You clearly need to learn the distinct differences between percieved harms, and realized harms.. “Chicken Little” and “The boy who cried Wolf” are good reads to help you grasp the concept..and if your so “concerned” about your “elderly” mothers health Costco is the last place you should be taking her IMHO.
Let the woman who is obeying the law be forced to stay home and avoid getting groceries (thereby punishing the business, the county that doesn’t get the taxes and the older woman who can’t get her groceries) and let the person who is breaking the mandate and disregarding store policy continue to do whatever he wants. (You a parent? I mean do you reward the kid that is breaking the rules or the one that is following them?)
As to perceived harms…and realized harm, the person not wearing the mask would be forcing the older woman not to get her groceries, the business not to sell their goods, and the county not to collect their taxes. All of which the maskless could avoid by wearing a simple mask.
And that all doesn’t take into account that Public Health tells us that it is healthier (a tangible good) for the whole community to wear masks during a pandemic. I think you are the one that hasn’t got a clear grasp on realized harm…
Kym, seriously with the rampant use of logical fallacies.. no disrespect but you sound like your emotions on this topic are getting the better of you intellectually. Strawmans, Red Herrings and Slippery Slopes oh No!!!
Some rules are in the eye of the protagonist.
I am still dumbfounded by the people who claim to be saving lives by masking up, jabbing up, and shutting Down, small business, yet they champion the right to abortion.
You are either pro life, or you think it’s just a personal decision on who has the authority to decide who lives, who dies.
Don’t work retail anymore, do you?
Buddy, the statistics are published everywhere. Get off YouTube and read some peer reviewed studies.
I see people walk into a store, handle this and that, maybe fill a cart or basket with items. Each item they touch exposes them to the risk of acquiring the virus from however many people touched it before them.
At the check stand they fiddle with a pin pad that was touched by many people, some laying their wallets on the counter exactly where people before them did.
They complete the transaction, some taking cash from the hand of the cashier who has taken the money from potentially contaminated hands and now passed it back to another customer.
Every door knob, handle, item or button in a public setting must be considered an inanimate vector for the virus.
Touching a mask with contaminated hands and adjusting or reusing the mask is very likely to transfer the virus to ones face where it will infect the user.
I believe masking is responsible for far more infection than it prevents.
Thank you Dr. Two Dogs. I’m glad you BELIEVE your opinions, however, I’ll continue to listen to medical professionals, not some random poster. FYI, it spreads via aerosol particles, it doesn’t stay viable on surfaces for very long.
??????
Have you never heard of hand sanitizer?
Yup. Obviously a contaminated hand is so much more likely to infect a person if they touch a face mask than if they touch their nose, mouth or eyes directly. Which no one ever does… if you think this is sarcasm, you’d be right. Of course a person just might be the sort to wipe off their hands on a face mask then put it back on. Nothing is surprising any more.
I think your opinion is wrong let’s put it that way!!! I hope this is not seen as an insult since I’m already under “Mod” for expressing my opinion a “bit too coarsely”!!!
Fomite spread isn’t much of a thing with Covid; it’s in the air…it gets in your repiratory tract and attaches to ACE2 receptors…that losing taste and smell? It’s gone to your brain.
As someone still recovering from a brain injury, I don’t want it, and I resent the people endangering my life/health/finances with their petulance. I can only control so much on my end…
You are not an island to yourself…you impact others. Rugged individualism is killing us.
Rugged individualism is killing us?
No disrespect to your individual path, but I Just can’t seem to find that in the top leading causes of death.
Anywhere.
Sorry About The Brain Injury
google it
Join the Humboldt Freedom Coalition. Their website has an extensive list of studies done which show the uselessness of masks. But of course Brian found something which flies completely in the face of common sense and reality, so it must be true…(see next comment).
There are various science magazines that have reported that wearing masks makes a difference. Even better people who have been vaccinated and gotten a booster is the best. Common sense……………..COMMON SENSE!
“I see unmasked people many places and doesn’t get a reaction from employees or other patrons.’
I wear them nowhere and rarely get fucked with. If everyone did the same, this bullshit, theatre would be over tomorrow.
Because people that don’t wear masks in their bid for supposed defiance are known to go nuts and cause a scene having a tantrum about mask mandates. At this point employees are treading lightly, they never know when one of the crazies will go off.
Actually your non mask wearing is the “ theater “ and you know it. No one is impressed.
Uh…most of the people going nuts, causing a scene, and throwing tantrums are maskers. Sorry if you saw something on YouTube, but that is not the whole world.
As I’ve said before, most of the store employees I’ve talked to are entirely sympathetic and really aren’t worried about, “crazies going off.”
Masks don’t work !!!
More expert testimony……………
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZhr8Hz03jY
I went to the movies at the Eureka Theater a couple weeks ago. The drill seemed to be, once your ass hit the seat the mask came off, but when the lights came back up again everybody covered up and went back to judging The Other. One volunteer had clearly practiced her passive physical threats training. Odd.
The scene at the Loleta flea market was equally wierd, but less distressing. We wore masks like good citizens, but everyone clearly had been shut in for far too long. We were clumping up all over each other because we were all too used to being the only guy there and we were all prone to dawdle.
One day in Hay Fork will never escape me.
A supposed mechanic says to me that he “thinks masks are stupid, because they’re like underwear – If I fart I can still smell it”
All I could say in response was that he was “right about the smell, but at least his pants would be protected from stains
The thing about any of these people is they have no critical thinking or logic.
What was that blonde idiot man saying about 70% of black people in New York?
Probably that they are unvaccinated, and therefore denied entry in many places.
That’s exactly what he was saying. Which is a fact, but according to Brian is idiocy.
I just think he was being an idiot for his Covid stance and without being able to see the video I really didn’t know to what he was referring to regarding blacks in NY.
It’s obvious to anybody what he was saying, though some might feign ignorance to make an ignorant point.
It just took a little consideration to come up with the possibility of why “70% of black peoplein New York” would not be allowed in certain buildings or establishments.
Not being vaccinated was the easy answer. Just a guess.
You guessed right. I’m assuming Brian could have done the same.
Also they’re not allowed to work for a living
Humboldt is hysterical over the mask shit. Here in Modesto you see the signs at the entryway of businesses, but only about 20% of patrons wear masks. Same in Nevada Idaho, and Wyoming. As a commenter said yesterday in a different article, they had covid last year, were double vaccinated, wear masks religiously and just got covid again. Some people get it and have no symptoms and others die within a week or two. The whole thing is a crap shoot.
Covid is not the bubonic plague and life must go on. If some doesn’t want to wear a mask, let them suffer the consequences if they get covid. And stay 6 fucking feet away from them!
In case you missed it, the problem is that they are infecting the rest of us
In case you missed it, the vaccinated are the only vectors for large numbers of infections. and if you’re fully vaxxed, and still susceptible to the disease, what was the point of the vaccination?
So we must presume you don’t have much faith in the mask you are wearing or the jab you took if you think someone without a mask or a jab can infect you.
Tell that to the police officer wearing body armor worried about someone pointing a gun at them.
Masks and vaccines reduce the chance of catching COVID and reduce the chance of having a bad infection if someone does catch it. But it doesn’t mean that masks and vaccines are completely perfect any more than body armor can completely stop a bullet.
A more apt comparison would be to say that body armor doesn’t promise to stop a bullet, it just hopes to slow it down.
Considering the minuscule chances of a person having a bad infection from Covid, what tiny percentage of people are we supposedly giving a better chance of survival to?
And where does that supposition come from? Where did they do a study comparing the outcomes of patients who received the vax and subsequently got Covid, and others in exactly the same condition who were given a placebo and got Covid? For some reason I’ve yet to see a link to that study (should be several studies actually, as it would seem that mandating a potentially fatal drug on the entire populace should be backed up by repeated studies).
Bottom line is, y’all have been hornswoggled by one of the oldest and simplest tricks in the book: the repeated repetition of nonsense until it is believed to be true. Look it up in any psychiatry manual. It’s called brainwashing, and y’all have been schnookered.
Anyone looking at the odds of those vaccinated vs unvaccinated getting ill with COVID and dying should be able to deduce that it is vastly better to have the vaccine than not. “Unvaccinated individuals are nearly six times more likely to get COVID-19 than vaccinated people, the latest data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) shows — and they’re about 14 times more likely to die from it.” https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2021/older-people-breakthrough-covid.html One of us has been hornswoggled by nonsense online and I am sure it wasn’t me.
What are the odds of death or serious injury from the shot? Please enlighten us all. I’m sure that the CDC you extol is on the case.
One of you has definitely been hornswoggled. And we’re sure you’re sure it wasn’t you.
“The clotting disorder is called thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS), and it is rare—in 17 million people who got J&J, 54 cases of TTS were reported, 36 of those people were cared for in an intensive care unit, and nine people died (which represents over 15% of cases). Two additional deaths also may be linked to the vaccine. Based on these numbers, the risk appears to be greatest—1 in 100,000—in women ages 30 to 49. This updated CDC recommendation follows similar recommendations from other countries, including Canada and the United Kingdom.
The J&J vaccine is still available. The FDA, which has updated its fact sheet on the shot, still says that the risks of the virus are greater than the risks of the J&J vaccine. If you got the J&J shot, your risk of TTS would be expected to be low. In terms of timing, all of these cases were identified within two weeks of the person receiving the vaccine.” https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/coronavirus-vaccine-blood-clots
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355581860_COVID_vaccination_and_age-stratified_all-cause_mortality_risk
This analysis of vaccine administration rates and mortality data indicates a likely risk of what they call “vaccine induced fatality” of 0.04% for the whole population.
Well there you go, looks like a wash for most people at best. And that doesn’t take into account long term deaths due to “vaccine” or early treatment in covid patients that would have saved lives, and therefore lowered odds of dying from covid.
From your post:
“Comparing our age-stratified VFRs with published age-stratified coronavirus infection fatality rates (IFR) suggests the risks of COVID vaccines and boosters outweigh the benefits in children, young adults and older adults with low occupational risk or previous coronavirus exposure.”
Are you comparing someone without a mask as someone pointing gun at you? And a mask with body armor.
WOW!!!
I think you just illustrated the ridiculousness of this whole fear mongering. Thank you. I don’t think I could have done it any better.
People are DYING!
WTF!
if you don’t believe that your vax and your mask protect you you will never sell me on the idea that they will protect anyone.
“Masks and vaccines reduce the chance of catching COVID”
No they don’t. Saying it repeadetly, pretending Youtube has no legit information, and banning links won’t change that, sorry.
https://youtu.be/HeSJWGSnN8A
rollin, posting a link to that video as proof that YouTube has no legit info (which I never said) is stunning evidence of the quality of your research.
HUH? I posted a video, from a doctor, with information from the NIH, that shows there is NO DISCERNABLE evidence between being vaccinated and catching covid and not being vaccinated and catching covid, contrary to your claim. So yes, it is stunning evidence of the quality of my research, thank you.
Body armor ain’t completely stoppin’ that buffalo either!
And that shield isn’t gonna help much.
i thought you were triple vaxxed and masked? How are they infecting you?
That is so not how it works. It’s been 2 years. The fact that you still don’t understand basic science is a sad example of American lack of intelligence.
It ain’t over yet. There are striking similarities between the Bubonic (Black) and COVID-19 plagues, especially in how people reacted to the situation. Good article here today: https://www.salon.com/2021/12/25/like-19-the-black-had-its-own-truther-movement-too/
Oh there’s a new plague that is being covered up and this one has no vaccine 30 million locked down in China. Now comes the real plague covid was just a test run to see how far they could break people will and it went far better than expected oh and a biologist was just indicted the other day should be big news since the reason was for developing nano wires for the vaccines pretty scary what those do we’ll see the extent when national 5G roll out on Jan 5 wich is actually a direct energy weapon that separates oxygen from vaccinated peoples cells all’s I can say is 2022 should be quite interesting lol the bodies are already dropping literally so we’ll see oh and the second batch of records from the fda released thousands more deaths from the so called vaccine it’s in the millions and new York just sent out emails says their kids will be having heart issues but not to worry cause they are supplying defibrillators to all schools you can’t make this stuff up lol and the world health organization just said live that countries are using booster to kill children and it’s not right
Do you have a condition that (a) [edit] and (b) makes you susceptible to the craziest sh*t on the web?
That’s it, Kym is running an echo chamber for loonies. These folks who consider themselves informed skeptics will believe any damn nonsense that fits their delusions. And absorb disinformation at an astounding rate. MSN is gospel compared to the crap these clowns keep regurgitating….over and over and over. We heard you the first 10 times.
They are hell bent. It’s an addiction thinking they have the “inside” information. Funny thing that most of this bullshit is foreign troll farm generated yet they claim superior patriotism. They’ve lost their minds. Who feels the need to say the same shit day in and day out on every Covid article? At this point it’s we heard them the first thousand times yet here they are.
It’s comical as hell, they’re in a response loop hamster wheel nightmare glitch.
Or is this just trolling to piss people off which is a strong possibility considering the awkward repetition.
But hey, free shipping
That’s possibly the worst attempt at “journalism” that I’ve ever seen.
Except the Bubonic Plague killed large numbers of people, and large numbers of people who died of other things are alleged to have been killed by Covid.
That’s a pretty significant difference.
During a COVID outbreak announced by Public Health, multiple medical professionals have described being in overwhelmed hospitals with COVID patients. We currently had 837,000+ deaths from COVID officially in the US. But excess morbidity indicates that there are quite a few more. The CDC estimates that there’s been about 170,000 more deaths. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm The Economist, estimates there had been over 200,000. I suppose there could be a coincidental jump in deaths that coincides with a reported pandemic. BUT realistically, the COVID pandemic is causing these deaths.
If the CDC’s numbers are correct (and there are plenty of reasons to believe they’re not), they need to start looking for another cause of, “excess deaths,” because it’s been well documented that many, many deaths were counted as Covid deaths when in fact they were not.
Same goes for hospitalizations. Did you know that if you go to the hospital with appendicitis but subsequently test positive for Covid, you are listed as a Covid admission, even if you develop no symptoms? Seems a journalist such as yourself would be looking into these manipulations of data, rather than parroting whatever the official line happens to be at the moment.
It’s called due diligence, and it’s incumbent upon a journalist to perform it if they wish to remain credible.
I have repeatedly shown that the CDC tells doctors that unless COVID is a reason for someone being in the hospital, then they are not supposed to be counted as COVID deaths. Our local reports have a couple of times showed corrections stating that someone who had tested positive for COVID didn’t die or wasn’t in the hospital because of COVID. For instance, Humboldt County removed one previously reported COVID death here: https://kymkemp.com/2021/08/31/august-in-humboldt-county-the-deadliest-month-of-the-pandemic-2001-cases-98-hospitalizations-22-deaths-reported-this-month-alone/#comment-1416633 It is reasonable to assume that if they are correcting cases, that they do not mean to count them in the first place.
The COVID death numbers do not intentionally include people who died from causes other than COVID. Yes, mistakes are made, but they are supposed to be corrected. The federal government requires that COVID at least in part be the cause of death. So if you test positive for COVID but die because someone shot you, that isn’t a COVID death. Early on, there was some confusion but for over a year now the rules are standardized.
In addition, the Economist estimates that the US has had about 30% more deaths that should have been attributed to COVID but weren’t. And, some countries, such as China likely have 17,000% more https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates
Wow. Lot’s of empty houses in China, eh? Maybe I’ll invest in real estate.
wow! 17,000%! boggles the mind!
Makes alot of sense though since we saw all those people just dropping dead on the street in wuhan………
why didnt that phenomenon happen anywhere else?
Even with that 17,000% undercount, and compensating for the difference in our populations, we had 4.71 times China’s Covid19 deaths.
Let that boggle your mind.
Kym,
I’m still a bit unsure how…
1) The initial lockdowns and masking and distancing and sanitizung, somehow prevented sooo many Covid19 deaths.
2) We have had over 5 times our share of the world’s Covid19 deaths.
3) Covid19 deaths have somehow been undercounted.
How could it all be true?
Doesn’t seem possible that all three statements could be true.
You’ve never addressed this, but I’ve brought it up many times.
The second statement is the most easily confirmed.
However, it contradicts both the first and the third statement, both of which you have claimed are true.
For the first statement to be true, the second statement’s validity is called into question.
The second statement contradicts the third statement as well, and would really call into question the first statement even more so.
Did we have even more than 5 times our share of the world’s deaths due to undercounting, (add in the 200,000 and it becomes nearly 7 times), and the initial mitigations somehow worked?
And the first and third statements, actually contradict each other.
It seems like at the very least the first statement isn’t likely to be true.
Well you see, all those restrictions stopped the flu completely. And they would have stopped covid too IF ONLY THERE HADNT BEEN SO MANY PEOPLE IGNORING THEM!
It’s that kind of logic.
Looks like it will be ignored again.
Confronting the deep logical short comings causes head aches
I guess it’s much more fun to hype the numbers in totally different directions, and see if anyone notices.
I’m just not sure if we saved all the people that really died, or if all the people that supposedly died, we really saved.
And having so many times more than our share of cases and deaths, reflects pretty poorly on the performance of our mitigations, including our vaccine program, and masking, etc.
I should clean up some of those numbers, I was going by memory, and misremembered total world deaths as 3.4m, not 5.4m, sooo…
The US has 4.2% of the World’s population…
US has 19% of it’s Covid19 cases,
15.47% of it’s Covid19 deaths…
4.52 time our share of cases,
3.68 times our share of deaths.
Adjusted US percentage of Worlds’ deaths, if undercounted…
W/CDC undercount of 170,000…
18.61%, 4.43 times our share.
*16.26%, 3.87 times our share.
W/Alt. undercount of 200,000…
19.16%, 4.56 times our share.
*16.74%, 3.99 times our share.
(* Factoring in China’s alleged 17,000% undercount.)
China, with 4.4 times the US population, claims 4,636 Covid19 deaths.
A 17,000% increase gives them 788,120 Covid19 deaths, still 51,485 less than the US, and China has 4.4 times the population…
That would give them only 179,188 Covid19 deaths, if they had our population, even if they had 17,000% more Covid19 deaths than they are claiming, still only 21.22% of our Covid19 deaths.
After factoring in the 17,000% undercount, and for the difference in our total populations, we still have had 4.71 times China’s Covid19 deaths.
837,000…
And over half of those occurred during this administration’s shit show. With vaccines.
Humboldt is full of petty tyrants hell bent on enforcing their mask faith on others.
The ridiculousness of masks cannot be over stated- the fact that they can be made of any, a single layer of thin material just as acceptable as a well fitted n-95 mask both being acceptable, should be proof enough that the whole thing is for show. A visual reminder that we all must REMAIN VERY VERY SCARED!
I’ve seen people with masks that are completely see through, knit masks with huge holes. The other day I saw a man at costco who had made a mask out of FISHNET STOCKINGS! Any face covering is acceptable as long as you COMPLY
It’s sad to see how many in our community are so fooled by this. Seemingly intelligent people who are so scared of this virus that they will follow strangers around yelling at them to put on a mask. Another confusing point- if the unmasked person is such a huge threat, wouldn’t the masked individual want to stear clear of them? Would make sense. Which again, comes back to the fact that this isn’t actually about safety, it’s about control.
The fact that the mandates fluctuate so wildly state by state, county by county should be a clear indicator of the fact that they’re absolutely arbitrary.
Some areas you would never even know there was a “pandemic”
People have become addicted to the feeling of superiority they have as they pat themselves on the back for being good masked and jabbed citizens. They don’t dare question the validity of either because then they would become what they’ve been conditioned to hate: the dreaded anti-vaxxers
Not that I care, but at a store that shall remain unnamed, there is a checker that wears a really cool “mask” made of beads.
I wonder if that would have worked at the council meeting.
About as well as the woman’s red panties that jerk was wearing on the plane!
If anyone is foolish enough to even get on a commercial jetliner, it’s ridiculous thinking that a mask will make much difference stopping Covid19, any more than a red thong, (cotton opposed to lace).
If you really don’t want to get Covid19, stay off the damn plane.
Maybe he should have wore triple layers, red, white, and blue.
I know people are able to fly without getting Covid.
There are mask policies on planes and airports across the US.
The surest way to not become infected with Covid19 on a plane, or to spread it, if you already have it, is to stay off the plane.
If a person is foolish enough to get on a plane , packed like sardines in a can, and they think that someone else wearing a mask or a thong is really going to make that big a difference, well that really doesn’t add up for me.
And there are other policies in place, like screening and in some cases, recent negative tests are required.
Look, I’m not saying masks don’t help, or that they don’t work, they might work better than vaccinations for all I know.
But it’s not worth throwing a shit fit over by some self-important self-serving, self-centered, self-preserving, stuck-up, power-tripping, germaphobic, hammer weilding council members.
They should have simply asked the non masked individuals to maintain their social distance, speak first, and the ask them to leave.
Ignoring the just as obvious social distancing requirement violations by everyone, even having the seating arrangement in violation, yet focusing on the violations of the mask requirement for a select few, is pretty arbitrary, selective, hypocritical enforcement, if you ask me.
The study that the cdc used to justify plane travel, as long as everyone used masks, was a modeling study that found only 1% risk of infection if everyone wore a mask, only 1 person on the plane was infected, and the plane used to equivalent of a 6 inch grow room fan to exchange air. No masks was expected to produce a 6% risk.
Of course no plane has that kind of exhaust system. And considering they serve food and drinks and people are people there is never 100% mask usage.
So if you are really really super serious about avoiding covid infection it is an absolutely terrible idea to get on a plane
If you really don’t want to get Covid, just go about your business. Few get it, and even fewer know they’ve, “got,” it.
Covid is simply the front corporation for a stealthier rollout of a far more lethal tool.
Remember how these people have been learning about all those mistakes made by very public displays of public killing in the past. These are very predictable people, the dangerous ones are those who actually believe that climate change will be eliminated without a massive reduction in population.
Probably, as they told the man they called the cops on he could hold his sweatshirt in front of his face and he’d be alright.
Trimmer girls are mean.
let them suffer the consequences at others expense.
YOu don’t sound very informed. The masks do not protect the individual, they protect others from the individuals breath. Also, you described a breakthrough case, there is a lot of information regarding those so I won’t explain it to you. Anecdotal evidence doesn’t mean squat, why do ppl think their individual experiences mean a G.D. thing?
Because a group of individual experiences make up a totality? Are we to believe we are the only ones in the world experiencing what we’re experiencing?
Say you were robbed at gunpoint on a certain street at a certain time, and you heard others had been, too. Would that not lead you to believe that street was unsafe at that time? Or would you believe your personal experiences didn’t mean a G.D. thing, and continue to go there?
Sounds like you’d be toodlin’ your way through there without a care in the world, easy pickings for the locals.
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What about those with compromised immune systems who are exposed by this???
I am the fat man in the video wearing the brown leather jacket and the black portagee hat. I had a cancer of the immune system 15 years ago (Hodgkin’s lymphoma) and underwent two year’s worth of chemo and radiation to get rid of it. I am, “elderly” (61), immunocompromised, overweight, male, plus I just got back from over a month in an ICU in Portland where I was fighting off a disease far rarer and deadlier than Covid. If anyone was at risk, it would be me.
However, I’ve been watching this since the beginning, clear back in 2019, and I have yet to see credible evidence that Covid is anything more than a hyped-up, overblown flu. If I were to be concerned, I would do the wise thing and stay home. That would be my choice and my responsibility. I would not be so foolish and selfish as to parade around in public expecting everyone to cater to me in my immunocompromised state. That level of selfishness is well beyond me.
Point being, if you’re worried about catching it, stay at home. Fill your tub with hand sanitizer and submerge yourself in it. Breathe through a straw wrapped in a Lysol-soaked face mask, and don’t come out until the government tells you it’s safe. You’ll be fine. If you wear goggles you can even catch up on your reading. Meanwhile the rest of us have business to attend to.
Yup totally agree this is hi dollar fear prop running ramp in nor cal.
I think you just set the bar for those stuck with binkys up their butts.
Why isn’t my dog afraid of covid?
He hates wearing a mask, and do do I.
My dog has more sense than these diaper wearing adults.
If you aren’t rich, you can’t afford the lifestyle of the rich, if you spend, decades ignoring your health, the only one to blame is you friend
nice job!
…Aaaaaand the Hate Party wins again!
What a bunch of babies. It’s a piece of fabric, and you’re scared of it? JFC get a job.
So I take it if the CDC said everyone has to wear pasties and a G-string to get rid of Covid, you’d be all for it? After all, it’s just a piece of fabric. What are you scared of?
These are basically selfish people. It’s all about them.
Or it’s trolling for the sake of trolling.
Oh so scared. Only had it on for 2 years. I love this response that gets used. I LIKE how you think questioning our manliness will have a reverse psychological effect. Hahaha. I’m a wimp! I’m a baby! Nice try!
Don’t be a dumb ass. Wear the mask and get vaccinated. The life you protect will be your own or somebody else’s.
Omicron is projected to peak in April.
If you get boosted now, today, like it’s strongly being recommended, your fresh Pfizer booster will be down from 70% to 45% efficacy within 10 weeks, by March 7th. Your Moderna booster will stay at 70% efficacy or above, for 9 weeks, until March 1, when it will begin to wane below 70%.
Omicron is currently the dominant strain.
Wouldn’t it be most effective to wait just a bit longer before getting your booster, to balance the increasing risk against having maximum protection?
I do realize that only about 6/10ths of one percent of Americans per day could even possibly get their booster,
(2,000,000), if that, so that perfect balance isn’t really going to even be realistically possible for the overwhelming majority of Americans.
The point is, getting boosted now, won’t do as much good in April, when Omicron peaks. If you get boosted now, like they are emphasizing, and it won’t even be doing you much good anymore come April.
So why the big rush?
Hurry up and wane?
I won’t even be due for my Moderna booster until April.
Timing is everything…
It won’t be right for everyone.
Where did you getyourdegree in immunology?
From Whatsamatta U.
Why do I need it?
Those are published statistics.
What you dispute?
Be specific.
And where did you get your degree in giving people, “the third degree”?
By the time a disease “peaks”, half will have already been infected. Besides it seems like the predicted peak is more likely January to February. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/as-omicron-explodes-across-us-researchers-predict-peak-may-hit-in-mid-january/ar-AAS88Db
Yep, probably the half that got their booster too early.
So what about the other half?
By the time the disease peaks only half could even be injected.
(Probably less).
I’m pretty sure the April estimation came direct from Fauci.
I guess I will double check…
Sorry, nooo, that’s simply not true.
A disease can peak rapidly with a steep ascent, and then taper off slowly, resulting in far more deaths after the peak.
Especially a very infectious disease like Omicron.
So far it sounds like Nyquil will be all we need for Omicron. Why are you worried about boosters?
It’s not the boosters that worry me, Steve Parr.
What I am concerned with is that the message doesn’t add up to rush the short lived boosters against Omicron when it won’t even peak until after the boosters are worn out or wearing out.
It doesn’t seem like the best advice, unless just selling dubious boosters is the real goal.
That is what has me worried.
I believe your worries are founded.
Seeing how the government has already bought them and they are free of charge, they aren’t selling anything. They’re literally giving them away everywhere.
The #2 connotation in the dictionary for ,”selling” something, does not involve the exchange of money, it simply involves persuasion.
Booster shots every 6 months still? I’ve had 2 so far
Two?
A “third dose”, and a “booster”, are recommended, and Authorized, for some…
I have just one question for you.
If these experimental shots work so well, why are the manufactures exempt from product liability.
Asking for a friend of a friend.
To really get a perspective on how well vaccinations work, just look at who filled the ICUs for months. Of course product liability is immaterial to efficacy as no manufacturer guarantees individual invulnerability any more that seatbelts in a car guarantee no injury in crash. Only anti vaxxer try to leverage that bit of sophistry.
Exactly which ICUs were filled for months with unvaccinated Covid patients? Ones you saw on CNN? Because the people I know across the country who work in hospitals tell me the main problem was understaffing, not overwhelming.
Short staffing was a problem here. But so were too many patients. “All the beds are taken. They’re talking about converting the PACU – post anesthesia care unit – into a secondary ICU because people are unvaccinated monsters!”
https://kymkemp.com/2021/08/26/st-joes-icu-full-and-new-covid-rooms-crafted-as-equipment-and-staff-shortages-make-situation-desperate-other-hospitals-facing-similar-situations/
The “unvaccinated monsters” comment is an all time classic.
I have to admit I thought it was a bit over the top but absolutely unforgettable.
Also, absolutely unforgivable.
Understaffed means those working need to step it up and perhaps end up overworked & stressed out. Patients keep coming…
Agreed, the liability protection has nothing to do with how well the vaccines work at preventing disease. They have everything to do with the level of risk they pose to those that accept them. People experiencing harm would be the ones suing the company, not people for whom the injection failed to provide perfect infection
Because it was written into Operation Warp Speed before Donald Trump signed it into law.
Yea and they won’t jab illegal aliens for fear of lawsuits so hmmm what’s crazy is the fda has been ordered to release all their info on the jab documents and woooow it’s worse than we predicted the deaths is astounding it’s projected to be over a million so far.
That would be apt were our lives in danger. Looks like the Omicron symptoms can be handled with Nyquil. But rush on down and get your shots!
So in order to be a “smart” ass one must suspend critical thinking when looking at the fact that covid shots are becoming less and less effective and are expected to believe that any kind of muzzle can stop virus particles.
The saddest part of all this is that we are being told to believe shit that just ain’t so and being told we are “dumb” if we don’t believe this crap Fauchi and the Biden Cabal tell us.
We should instead be learning about how to live healthy vibrant lives.
some people are put on this earth with the purpose of being shit stirrers .
Anti mask activists are the dumbest lifeforms on the whole planet. They’re fine with “no shirt, no shoes, no service” but the instant you ask them to cover their disease-hole they act like someone cut their fingers off. What a fragile bunch of cry babies.
Did you say disease-hole, or did you say, breathe-hole?
Masks are somewhat suffocating.
Maybe more so for some than others.
I wear them as requested or required, but they can be somewhat uncomfortable for me, as far as difficulty breathing is concerned.
Nect time you have surgery, ask your doctor not wear a mask
People don’t usually go to WinCo for surgery.
And if it creates difficulty breathing for that doctor, I’d probably be better off having him perform surgery without it.
You’d be better off finding a doctor not so sick that he can’t find the lung capacity to wear a mask.
Sure, you’re fine with a surgeon and everyone else breathing onto your open body. Sure you are. You fragile non maskers would be the first to sue over transmission of disease in such a situation.
Claiming how tough you guys are and you’d survive Covid yet you guys cry like babies over mask wearing is pure comedy gold. Logic is not your strong point.
How long do you spend in Winco, hours on end? Pffffttt……
I’m not a non masker.
I have no issue with a surgeon breathing on me. The concern, and why they wear a mask, is that some of their fluids may drip into the exposed innards of my body and act as a vector for bacterial infection.
I imagine they would also like to avoid any risk that some unexpected splash of my fluids ends up in their mouth.
You don’t really think that surgical masks are worn to prevent the spread of a respiratory virus in surgery do you?
Yes I do. As an MA I would wear a mask touching someone’s feet. Very careful to keep all areas from being contaminated. I wear a mask to minimize the spread of Covid. Would you rather I didnt?
I have no issue with you wearing a mask. Surgeons don’t wear them to stop viruses from spreading
We’re not all performing surgery.
Surgeons work in a sterile environment and wear the mask because they actually open up their patients and work in the patients insides. They do not wear mask otherwise or at least they did not before this “CHINA FLU” came here. Also, they have said, ” if you have to wear a mask the mask must be changed out ever 20 minutes.” How many people are doing this? I know where I live, (next to a school) the students when walking home are throwing their mask on to the ground on their route to home. There are at least 5-10 mask thrown on to my apartments property daily.
Surgeons don’t wear masks to prevent viral transmission
god forbid you’re somewhat uncomfortable for 10 minutes while you shop. Like Poker Face said, fragile.
Oh, I do it, and it takes me a lot longer to shop than 10 minutes, more like 30-45 minutes.
It’s doable, but I can understand why some would want to avoid it.
And if you don’t find it uncomfortable, instead of casting aspersions on those that do, maybe you should just, respectfully, count your blessings, and be thankful for those of us that do comply, that do find the masks uncomfortable, in order to satisfy the ones among us with even more fragility than us, that are whining about it constantly.
God forbid you see someone less gullible than you while shopping. I can understand your discomfort (no one likes to admit they fell for a ruse), but you’re tough. You’ll make it. Square your shoulders, raise your nose in the air (oops! Keep your mask over it!), and practice your evil eye so you can properly stare that miscreant down when you come face-to-face with him in a isle. Then scuttle away because well…something something CNN.
I too have noticed, these issues of it being extremely difficult, at times, to breath well while wearing a mask!!!
“Anti mask activists are the dumbest lifeforms on the whole planet.”
Mask tyrants are scum of the earth.
Finally you speak the truth…
You added to your comment. Now I don’t agree with you.
Uhhhh, I added nothing. Sorry it took you an hour to decipher what I wrote and change your mind. LOL
What ever happened to “fresh air is good for you”?
Time to move on? I say yes…
“ No matter the severity of the variant, the appetite for shutdowns or other large-scale social interventions simply isn’t there.”
“But the truth of the matter is that virtually all humans have, for virtually all of recorded history, faced daily risks of disease or violent death that are far greater than those that the residents of developed countries currently face. And despite the genuine horrors of the past 24 months, that holds true even now.
Is our drive to live life and socialize in the face of such dangers foolhardy? Or is it inspiring? I don’t know. But good or bad, it is unlikely to change. The determination to get on with our lives is deeply and perhaps unchangeably human.
In that sense, the spring of 2020 will be remembered as one of the most extraordinary periods in history—a time when people completely withdrew from social life to slow the spread of a dangerous pathogen. But what was possible for a few months has turned out to be unsustainable for years, let alone decades.
Whatever damage Omicron might wreak in the immediate future, we will, most likely, soon lead lives that look a lot more like they did in the spring of 2019 than in the spring of 2020.“
https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/621089/
A little too melodramatic. Masks are keeping you from getting on with your life?
Nope. I haven’t worn a mask since august… if someone asks me to put one on, I ask them if they have one for me. However, ALL of them try to sell me a mask. That’s when I respectfully walk out the door. If they won’t GIVE me a mask, then it proves to me that it’s not about safety or reducing spread. I refuse to buy another ? of surrender. All the white flags eventually end up in the ocean, rivers, side of the road, or in a landfill, which will kill us in the long term.
Well the tactic worked. You left. Or at least said so. Are you the one who I gave one of mine when he was going on and on about them not giving him on?
Wasn’t me.. I don’t make a fuss about it, after all it is their business, therefore their rules. I just take my business elsewhere.
Likewise, good for you
You gave someone one of your masks? Ew…gross.
Bullshit. Stores have a box handy to give a mask to the big babies that refuse to wear one. Or those that forget theirs.
Riiiigght, you’re saving the environment. Comedy gold.
You just gave me a great idea! Since masks are such a hot commodity, why doesn’t someone make plant based, biodegradable, disposable masks?
This would kill 2 birds with one stone. You could make them out of hemp, or something that grows fast and is easy on water and the environment. You could probably get government subsidies as well.
This mountain of garbage of masks and gloves…a uniquely 1st world human problem. Go to Africa and see how ridiculous our first world our problems truly are.
Makes a person yearn for the days when the search for water, food and shelter occupied all one’s energy and there was no time to complain!
I think it will be making a comeback!
What a tool. He shows up knowing this is going to happen then shows outrage when it does..He got his 15 minutes of fame, and is now sitting home feeling self-righteous.. “well I showed them”
Speakers being allowed to remove their masks to do so is where the real hypocrisy and foolhardiness becomes readily apparent.
How far away is the speaker from the council members? Seating arrangement for audience members? What type of ventilation system is in place in council chambers? Was it activated?
Those seats are right next to each other. The protections should not be solely for the council members. And people should not be treated as if they were infectious at all times. If someone had a medical exemption, then the mask should not be required for them, let them speak first. It’s very unlikely that they are currently infectious.
As someone else noted, did he have a exemption card from his doctor? Or did he just find some quack on YouTube that told him he was exempt. He was being a drama queen and enjoying every minute of it. Bet he was one of the protesters at the health food store
He was seated at least thirty feet from the council members. They voluntarily came closer to him when they left the dias and stood in the hallway. At no time were they in danger.
No one in the audience objected to him not wearing a mask, and everyone was extremely respectful until they called the meeting and a contingent of cops showed up.
As was shown when the council allowed other speakers to be un-masked, this was not about public health. It was about putting people in their place.
As I said when the Council grudgingly agreed to return and carry on the meeting, their job is not to re-educate us. It is to represent us.
Do not comply.
?
Please, no.
Let’s hope not, for ALL’S sake!!!
Of course you won’t. Though depending on your statistical likelihood of getting very sick, it won’t be all about you in the end. It will be more about the others who have to be around you.
“Though depending on your statistical likelihood of getting very sick,”
You mean the fraction of a percent statistical likelihood for most people that, like everything else, you were so wrong about?
You’re so fixated on me. Scary.
The raised nail gets the hammer. Get over yourself.
Do not think.
I’m curious Ullr, did you wear a mask this last summer when the smoke got really bad around your place? You know, to protect your lungs from the PM2.5. Or are you just completely opposed to all masks all the time?
Because otherwise this just seems like a really dumb hill to plant a flag on. The only possible reason I can see to not wear a mask indoors in public is to proclaim some vague political point that you are a “free-thinking libertarian/conservative” that refuses to acknowledge science because it’s obviously a Democratically-controlled ploy to take your guns. Or something.
Nailed it.
Or maybe because you just don’t like doing stupid shit? That would also be a valid reason.
You mean stupid shit like wearing a seatbelt? A motorcycle helmet? Not running stop lights?
Wearing a mask is a public health safety measure, just like those other things I listed. I don’t necessarily agree with every safety rule that’s been written but I try to follow most of them when it involves the public. I reserve the “ignoring the rules” for when I’m on my own and nobody else can get hurt.
Sorry, but particulate matter from fires (ash) versus a virus has no comparison. My mask didn’t block the smoke. It’s comparing a flea to a mountain in relative size.
N95 masks are designed to block 95% of the 2.5 micron particulates in the air. Those are the long term problems from smoke inhalation that get deep in the lungs.
Cough droplets (i.e. the ones that carry virus particles) run from 0.58 to 5.42 microns in size. Individual virus particles aren’t the problem, aerosols carrying them are.
Who’s wearing N95 masks? What percentage of the population and of those who are trained to not self-contaminate?
N95 masks are masks that can do something. Those are not the masks being worn by 99+% of the population. Regardless if your mask works then why do you care about mine? My safety is my concern, not yours and not the states.
Because you wearing a mask reduces the spread of aerosol droplets that could potentially spread the virus. The less virus in circulation via aerosols in enclosed spaces, the less spread there is.
If it were just about the individual’s safety, I’d agree. But this is a collective problem, not an individual one.
Ullr says his safety is his concern..
But also bemoans that not everyone is using n95,to justify his disinterest in Covid measures.
It doesn’t matter!
40% less spread with non N95 masks!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan-masks-idUSKBN2770DX
https://bangordailynews.com/2021/12/04/news/nation/missouri-governor-lashes-out-after-its-revealed-his-office-buried-a-study-showing-mask-mandates-work/
Ullr is an anarchist at this point.
“…at this point.” Pfft, no. I’ve been anti-Statist since I discovered politics.
There’s no real world studies that show mask mandates have done anything to mitigate the spread of ‘rona.
https://rationalground.com/masks-children-and-covid-19-published-studies/
You say that because you deny the real world exists.
?
Lots of evidence masks work, 2 links above to start.
?
“Scientists at the University of Tokyo built a secure chamber with mannequin heads facing each other.” = not real world
As for your other link it’s about denying the existence of a study… = not real world.
Real world evidence (RWE) in medicine means evidence obtained from real world data (RWD), which are observational data obtained outside the context of randomized controlled trials(RCTs) and generated during routine clinical practice. RWE is generated by analyzing data which is stored in electronic health records (EHR), medical claims or billing activities databases, registries, patient-generated data, mobile devices, etc.[1] It may be derived from retrospective or prospectiveobservational studies and observational registries. In the USA the 21st Century Cures Act required the FDA to expand the role of real world evidence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_world_evidence
Bunch of idiots
“This is what tyranny looks like. We have constitutional rights!” – ah, no. This is not tyranny, not even close. This is basic, civilized public health. Come in from wilderness folks. And do a little reading before using big words like tyranny.
Drip, drip, drip…
Thank you Akbar
I guess you agree with him that tyranny is a big word. Laughing!
Whoosh !
whiny silly person. mask up dude
Great job Kym, glad to see at least some of our local news is willing to cover controversial topics in a balanced manner.
Lisa Music is the reporter. But yes she did a good job of covering a controversial subject impartially.
Tell her I appreciate her integrity!
Or, Franklin on facing a problem together-
Franklin was referring to “the people” hanging together in opposition of government tyranny. No surprise you would interpret that exactly the opposite of it’s meaning givin your tortured logic on the tenth amendment.
I love that name
Political babies, conspiracy babies.
Why, when I read about anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers, does my mind turn towards Typhoid Mary?
These videos are but a fraction of what actually occurred. I asked the EPD sargeant in charge why eight carloads of cops had been brought in. He told me it was to protect the council members. The council members were never in danger. The two unmasked citizens were sitting over thirty feet away from the Council. I’m sure the council members are all fully vaccinated, and they were all wearing masks. What were they in danger from?
And if the argument is made that they were afraid of us, let it be known that no one got angry until they called the meeting and called in the cops. And if they were afraid for their own safety, why did they leave the dias and go stand in the hallway, twenty feet closer to us with no barriers in between?
And then, after all that hoo-rah, they allowed at least one speaker to speak un-masked, without saying anything. She was half the distance away as the two who had to leave, yet nothing was said.
It was pure hypocrisy, and pure idiocy, a heavy-handed power play by people with no sure leg to stand on. They all need to go.
“It was pure hypocrisy, and pure idiocy, a heavy-handed power play by people with no sure leg to stand on.”
Yeah, by the people who were protesting a clear and simple rule about wearing a mask at the meeting. If you don’t want to wear a mask, don’t go to the meeting. Zoom in, write in, or call in.
Excuse me to the comment of,’ no doctor would write a note for medically exempt from wearing the mask. I have a medical document from my dr stating why I am unable to wear a mask. The medical facilities in Humboldt county have denied me medical health even with this document. I have COPD, MS, and recently heart problems. I need tests that are only available at the hospitals. I need medical attention and have been denied. So, if I have a heart attack or stroke and die, does this make them responsible for my deaths? YES. This is totally fucked up.
you can still wear your oxygen clip under your mask. which is likely exactly what they told you.
I don’t know, should the anti-vax and anti-mask folks who are clogging up the hospitals be responsible for your death because there wasn’t any room?
You are very funny, Tim. They are not the problem. It is people like you that live in fear that is the problem.
No medical facility is going to deny you health care. Where. When and with who did this occur? Facts please
I was grabbed by my arm at Redwood memorial and pulled outside by the security guard. I was wearing a face shield, but I had to wear “their” paper mask. It was their policy. I told them that I understood that and respect their policy, but what was I suppose to do. They told me they understand and maybe in a year or two things “might” get back to normal. I checked all the other hospitals, (called them) and they told me the same thing. Also how in hell am I going to tote a 75 lb. oxygen tank around?
No your responsible for your own choices. You have medical problems yet you refuse help because you have to wear a mask? Wow
Personally as an individual who has always been overly paranoid I think it’s quite nice that It is socially acceptable now for me to wear a mask in public. I have no opinion on covid but I’m definately appreciating the fact that I can go to the store with a mask and sunglasses.
According to the attached “order” (that is unsigned by the way) it only refers to “recommendations” and “guidance” of the CDC. Laws are made by the legislature. As far as I know there have been no “laws ” made regarding wearing a mask.
Arguments as to a mask’s affectedness are important.
It is not science if it can’t be questioned. And there are a lot of legitimate questions as to the affectedness of both the vaccines and masks. Particularly when the natural immunity is being ignored.
Like the natural immunity of the commenter that got Covid 3 times?
Good for him hes right thos people can go fk them self with madate jack ass sheep good man for sticking up for our rights. By all you brain dead people beneding over and garbing your ankesl .you are doing away with human rights and freedoms. Fk .look at chinas already won. Your kids have to were mask at school. All cuz .you people cant see the writeing on the wall. Wake. Up .do you like paying 6$ gal for fuel or trippel for food.
Lol. Comedy Gold.
Spelling! Omg dude, and I’m brain dead. Ha
It’s on purpose. Troll game.
Just wanted to share this article on something so simple its crazy nobody is saying it. Early treatment, including vitamin supplements and reducing viral load at home …what a novel concept https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7436790/
Mask up people. But, not to worry anyone, but H5N1 bird flu is over 50% fatal to humans.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/israel-bird-flu-outbreak-could-be-2022s-deadly-global-pandemic
It’s just the flu.
I have read all the comments; and I cannot make a conclusion. I know that people seeking safety over freedom from their government deserve neither. The government is mostly for the interest of the central banking system. I believe now is the time to load up on physical silver. The elite have decided the population needs to wear face diapers and comply. The face diapers are being removed, mainly by poloticions when they are out of camera. They are the authoritarians, paid by the central banks. You will comply! if you are in the dollar!
Put the dam mask on or get out. People complain their rights are being taken. Pull your head out. It’s a worldwide pandemic and I personally would like to see all that are complaining to tour a hospital with dying patients. See first hand why masks are mandated. See first hand what it’s like to not breathe and choke to death. You tell the families their loved ones are dead.
Go on selfish people, see for yourself. I’ll wait…
https://www.newsweek.com/us
GOOD, Keep it up people! The masks are tyranny! The only way to stop this tyranny is to REFUSE their unlawful unconstitutional decrees. The mask mandate isn’t even a frickin law. All this crap has done is serve to act as a test to see how far that your government can dictate and you still listen to it. The covid death rate is now lower then that of the flu, the overall death rate is 0.063%, GET OVER IT PEOPLE, TAKE YOUR LIFE BACK, STOP BENDING THE KNEE TO ILLEGAL DECREES.
First World Problem. Tantrums over a piece of cloth. Babies, all of you. You guys are undependable . Too busy kicking up dust over trivial bullshit. Calm down, masks really aren’t that scary. Paul Revere, Comedy Gold…
Omg. It’s a conspiracy! Let 800,000.00 people die and blame the government. You’re an idioit!
they should have stayed on Zoom meetings 🙁
My right to be an asshole is being infringed!
Why are you writing about this now. It happened in Dec. Must be a slow news week.
This was written on December 27. If you look under the title of the post, you’ll see the date on the left side.
I have no idea why you went to this post. Sometimes Facebook reposts old articles. Could that be the issue?