Some Traveling Staff Brought in by St. Joe’s Last Week Have Already Quit as COVID-19 Pandemic Exacerbates Employee Shortages

As St. Joseph’s Hospital copes with a surge in the pandemic, COVID-19 customized hospital rooms, with their plywood and circular ducting ventilation in the windows can be seen from the sidewalk. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
Frontline caregivers in the County have expressed their frustration and vocalized their specific needs since well before the COVID-19 pandemic, in the form of informational pickets at the entrance of Saint Joseph Hospital in Eureka, press conferences with local media, Union strikes, and even town halls structured to involve the public – all in an effort to address shortages in staffing, which nurses say translates into a deficit in patient care across the board.
Confirmed by a handful of hospital staff who were dependent in one way or another on these traveling reinforcements, we are told that most of the ICU nurses, and possibly one or both of the desperately needed Respiratory Therapists brought in by California’s Medical Health Operational Area Coordination (MHOAC) to St. Joe’s who arrived this last week may have quit, despite only having just begun. Feedback from nurses and ancillary staff alike reflects frustration in what is seen as a lack of organization and a lack of motivation to address ongoing problems increasingly resulting in a lack of confidence in hospital leadership.
One staff member willing to be quoted was James Ladika, who is an RN in the Progressive Care Unit at St. Joseph Hospital, and is a member of the Professional Practice Committee at St. Joe’s. Ladika provides a bedside caregiver’s perspective with a long view of the local staffing shortage, and regularly works with high-acuity patients, including COVID-19 hospitalized community members. He told us, “Travelers are an indispensable resource in Humboldt in non-pandemic times…[D]uring the SARS-COV-2 pandemic they are an absolutely essential part of our hospital staff. Of course every hospital needs a Chief Financial Officer, but Providence’s model seems to be for everyone in the organization from managers up to the CEO to first act as a CFO and only after all financial considerations are taken into account, can you then do what is best for your staff.”
![RN James Ladika seen here addressing a crowd at a National Union Of Healthcare Workers picket outside the Hospital in January of 2019. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]](https://kymkemp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/160500735_441471530391974_4496575547794383938_n-1.jpg)
RN James Ladika seen here addressing a crowd at a National Union Of Healthcare Workers picket outside the Hospital in January of 2019. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
The local staffing shortage is exacerbated by the struggle to retain traveling staff. This is not a new problem for local caregivers and hospital administrators, but has become an even greater challenge during the pandemic. In August, the CEO of Providence St. Joseph Hospital in Eureka, Dr. Roberta Luskin-Hawk, made the rounds of the hospital greeting staff and touching base and getting feedback from staff members. In a situation described to our reporter, as she surveyed the hospital functions in the midst of the summer surge, upon asking staff for feedback, Luskin-Hawk was informed by a hospital staff member of a scenario in which a traveling nurse assigned to the unit decided to quit “within an hour” of being on duty. Staff nearby at the time described the CEO as being shocked, and told us that Luskin-Hawk responded by saying that the administration would ‘see what to do about this’, before proceeding on.
Reportedly, the traveling RN told employees before leaving, that the hospital was understaffed, and that the nurses were “crazy to work under these conditions” before citing staffing minimums required by Title 22 in California. This example of an unhappy traveling nurse reportedly took place prior to the additional staff arriving with assistance from the Medical Health Operational Area Coordinator (MHOAC) last week.
Last month in regard to staffing shortages, a frontline St. Joseph Hospital staff member told us, “We have been having an extremely hard time retaining any traveling positions – those travelers that came on, are leaving in the middle of their contract.”
Despite having known about the abrupt departure of traveling nurses earlier in the summer, when reached for comment by the Times-Standard this weekend as to the recent event of several of the MHOAC Program RNs hired having bailed out unexpectedly early, Dr. Luskin-Hawk characterized last week’s traveling nurses’ departure as “an unfortunate and unique circumstance. (Underline added by us for emphasis)”
With the abundant opportunities for traveling medical staff in California and beyond, these nurses have plenty of competitive options to choose from, and can easily go where the grass is greener.
The CEO of St. Joseph Hospital in Eureka, Roberta Luskan-Hawk, explained in August that housing was difficult to come by and therefore created a dilemma in being able to bring in additional staff. While housing is problematic in Humboldt County, Providence has been able to secure several contracts for traveling medical professionals including nurses, hospitalists and doctors, and technicians who have arrived, and then decided not to stay. Having already relocated here, housing was not the issue primarily noted for them abruptly leaving and breaking their contract for temporary employment. We have reached out to the local MHOAC contact person for details, but over the Labor Day weekend, at the time of publishing, had not heard back.
While the Redheaded Blackbelt did not receive a reply from Providence St. Joseph Hospital by the time of publishing, the CEO did provide some feedback to the Times-Standard in response to the news that traveling nurses were abandoning post during such a critical moment in local healthcare. Luskin-Hawk said, “Some of the travelers who came to us through our request to the Medical Health Operational Area Coordinator did not stay at our hospitals.” Luskin-Hawk asserted, “The primary reason was that they were not familiar with our electronic medical record system — a system that is used by many hospitals. Additionally, there were issues with the onboarding of these caregivers which created a challenge for them acclimating to our hospital.”
Local caregivers working at St. Joseph tell us that there is a problematic lack of organization when it comes to “onboarding” these traveling nurses, which would generally include some training, orientation to the work environment, verification of licensing in order to access and use certain supplies and medications in the course of their job duties, and sometimes more. Additionally, these incoming ICU nurses, because they weren’t provided with adequate access upon beginning their assignments, were not able to view important information, such as chart care. These things were not done for incoming new staff to St. Joes, effectively putting traveling professionals at a disadvantage.
Some of the nurses who opted to leave were designated to work with ICU patients, while the two Respiratory Therapists (RT) are specifically trained and educated to address all manner of breathing problems and related trauma. These RTs are hard to come by and are needed to administer complicated breathing treatments, including use of a ventilator and other air flow mechanisms that are frequently relied on by COVID-19 patients in the ICU. On a regular day, the hospital has at most three RT available to cover the entire hospital, and they report being regularly spread too thin.
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At a National United Healthcare Workers Union protest in November of 2019 at St. Joseph Hospital in Eureka, a family is seen holding signs reading “STAFFING NOT PROFITS,” and “$43 MILLION IN PROFITS NOT ENOUGH?” [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
Expressing frustration that their concerns regarding staffing ratios and organization were not being fairly considered by management, one veteran staff member told us, “I think the truth needs to be spoken, because this is just outrageous and I can’t handle what’s going on around here any more.”
The staff member continued, “They get to go home at 5 o’clock, administration does, and have dinner with their families – and they have the nerve to tell us ‘you have to work outside of patient ratios, and you’re just gonna have to deal with it’.”
Providence St. Joseph Hospital staff members in Eureka say they struggle to have their concerns addressed by administration, while the hospital struggles in turn to secure staffing reinforcements during a relentless flow of emergency cases – a troubling circumstance that has further complicated Humboldt’s local response to the pandemic in the second summer of COVID-19.

Data from the County shows the rate of hospitalization compared to deaths for both vaccinated and unvaccinated community members, providing a visual aid depicting the difference in severe illness between the two groups. Updated September 2, 2021.
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This horrible hospital should be closed.
Dr Luskin-Hawk is one of the most poor-quality administrators in my experience.
In 2012, when I first arrived in Humboldt County, the hospital administrators were saying the same old things: “oh, there’s no housing, we’re short staffed, we just can’t hire, the travelers leave after 2-3 days, ya ya ya…
Obviously, no housing was built, conditions have deteriorated, and the same old people still run the hospitals, from Garberville to Arcata…
Here is where you are going, Humboldt:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/05/1034210487/covid-surge-overwhelming-hospitals-raising-fears-rationed-care
If you need medical care, you should probably go to San Francisco – Try UCSF, Sutter, PMC…
St Joseph’s is the worst example of Corporate Health Care North of Ukiah/Willits, where the administrators also can’t tell the truth about anything…
St Joseph’s was an unfit working environment in 2013…
Clearly, St Joseph’s is a bad place to be sick or to need care.
Get your vaccine, get it now, and quit imagining reasons not to.
You don’t want to die in St Joe’s…
AND: “Travel Nurses” have been fleeing their contracts in Eureka, as long as there have been “Travel Nurses”…
Many “Travelers” never even show up, and they dump their contracts by sending a text…
Closing the hospital is not a solution as much as it would apparently satisfy a desire for vengeance. I have traveled to SF to get care. It was hard, expensive and time consuming. And dangerous. It took six trips to get from consultation to surgery and I simply didn’t go back for the post op visit. The appointment timing meant at least an overnight stay. And sometimes two nights. And the hospital staff there did not seem to understand that changing an appointment or having a six hour gap between appointments was a problem. Or going from building to another building blocks away wasn’t so easy. And all done while being sick as a dog. But it was not an emergency. I could make arrangements. In an emergency I would have been screwed.
All this complaining from staff and reporters telling their story is a similar problem- the patients are not important and only brought up as a point of leverage. In fact the feeling seems to be that patients are just a necessary evil. Sick people seem so incidental to the tug of war between management and labor. Only the individual hospital employee’s integrity keeps it from being a total misery. There is a reason for Humboldt’s medical care fiasco and no one seems to want to do any self examination about it. Nor fix it. Just blame.
I agree with much of what you say.
Next time, use UCSF, which is much more service-oriented…
We are in the middle of Breast Cancer treatment for our daughter, in SF, and it is an exhausting ordeal of bouncing from one place to another, but Sutter Health has served us well, and UCSF is top notch.
Providence is on the order of a good place for nobody. They break laws left and right, mistreat, harass and abuse their underpaid employees, and deliberately short-staff and cut corners to save a nickel, while wasting hundred-dollar bills on Million Dollar salaries for lying administrators, terrible HR employees and, awful physical plants… Inadequacies abound here, but it was bad 10 years ago, and no improvements have been made.
Providence did it’s level best to dump St Joseph’s onto Adventist Health, and the “get rid of it” attitude still is evident, every day.
I stand with St Joseph’s employees, who should stage a general strike immediately.
I walked out years ago, never to return. I recommend you do the same.
VMG, I totally agree with you that UCSF is a great hospital. We have used it three times, and never had any problem at all. I highly recommend it if people are able to travel there. I, like you, stand firm with the employees at St. Joseph’s. They are being worked to death by lack of staff and an almost full hospital. I pray that there will be some travelling doctors, nurses, etc., that will come and stay no matter what the work load! I think the ones that are staying and working so very, very hard, are just fantastic!!!!!
e fox, So very true. Makes me want to cry for all the workers being run into the ground.
I agree that UCSF is awesome. I only have experience with their pediatric brain department as a brain cyst was discovered on my son during a pregnancy ultrasound. The staff was extremely sensitive and kind. They really put forth effort to make our experience as stress free as possible; we were offered parking passes, food vouchers and even a stay at the Ronald McDonald house if needed. Speak with a hospital social worker because there’s often resources available that aren’t necessarily known to most patients. The north coast prenatal clinic within the mad River hospital was even more sincere. They would call and check on me following our appointments at UCSF as my pregnancy was extremely high risk and emotional. I seen Dr. Ebel and she ended up delivering my son and has now been our family practitioner for years. Overall, open door has been great for my family. The staff is responsive and friendly.
I did use UCSF. When I pointed out to the person scheduling that coming back 2 days later was not an option, she said “work with me here.” I let her make the appointment and called to reschedule when I got home. Amazing how easy that was to do it 6 hours away when I couldn’t do it 3 feet away. And then there was having to vacate the hospital room at 11 am and not being able to catch a plane until 5pm. Every aspect of traveling away was an expensive PITA that people who don’t have to do it can’t seem to understand.
The point is that most people can’t walk out. And it’s not all about the staff. Or management. What do you think would happen to the patients- remember them- if there is a strike? As usual this focus is on a battle between staff and management with zero regard for the patients who can do nothing about either.
Kym, I posted under a wrong name and can not fix it.
Guest
If you are the guest that I agree with most of the time, this time I don’t feel sorry for you. Use your own damn name and you won’t have to remember who the hell you are.
??Not me Ernie, this one is an imposter. ??. I figure you know who I am. I am OK with that. I got a lot of respect for you Ernie.
Looks like AO might have slipped up, but that is just a guess.
I almost never deviate from “guest”. ? I tried “ramblin’ man”, but it just didn’t feel right.
The one handle rule is because of me, I think, and the one meme rule… ?♂️?
I feel better now…..
Will somebody out there quit using “Guest’s” name?
Guest co op-ed it first.
I really wish Humboldt Area Foundation or another such group would run a charter bus to and from UCSF at least a couple days a week for locals who need to travel to medical appointments there, at least take the burden and cost of driving off people’s shoulders.
Wouldn’t it be nice if that was done?
Good idea. St Joe’s might not like that though. Maybe they would take a hint?
Actually, that service is provided to veterans as it should be. I would be nice if others could be provided the same opportunity.
” And then there was having to vacate the hospital room at 11 am and not being able to catch a plane until 5pm.”
This seems reasonable to me. If they need the bed, they need the bed
Of course that is not the point. Although the whole wing seemed empty when I left as it had the whole time I spent there. The point was that it was just one more difficulty in long distance travel whether they needed the room or not.
Like the nurses are there to provide you lodging convenient to your needs. Rotflmao. The tight bed scheduling was impressed on me during an outpatient open abdominal surgery when I was clutching the bed pretty sure they had tried to kill me with the ketamine, and still hurling repeatedly from the opioids they gave me post op , and the charge nurse was pretty much posted at the foot of the bed looking for any sign I was fit enough to rouse myself from that bed in HER recovery ward. It’s a production line in there. If you think they will let you be prone in your bed one minute longer than it’s taken for you to to pass the muster for discharge, you are in for a rude surprise. It’s actually not about you in there! It’s about getting as many people into the surgery theatre and out of the recovery room as quickly as is safely possible. Time=money.
Reading is hard. But it needs doing.
Yea want to try first? It looks like my reply was to guest. . .
I have had to travel in order to receive care / surgeries at both UCSF and UC Davis. My experience with both hospitals and their staff was absolutely fantastic.
I didn’t say the care was bad. I said it was difficult when traveling such a distance. What happened- was referred to a specialist. The appointment was 3pm but it turned out to be 4:30. Too late to get plane back to Humboldt so overnite in hotel. He referred me to get a special scan and blood work- which needed to be done there as he didn’t trust the results done here. Another 2 day trip. Then back for a follow up. Just one day there. He referred me to a surgeon and that surgeon wanted more tests so that was a fourth trip and another overnight at hotel. That was where I asked if it could be combined the day before the surgery so only one trip was needed. And that was no. After those tests it was a pre op visit and surgery scheduled. Only one day. Because I needed to be at the hospital so early I had to stay in a hotel the night before, have the surgery and stay overnight. Then back to the hotel until I could travel the next day.
When I did my taxes, I totalled up the related costs. Turned out with travel, taxis, meals, hotels, etc, the non medical costs were much more than the surgery. It simply was difficult from start to finish. No one in the big city recognized just how far Humboldt was, how difficult it was to travel in the winter and how hard it was to find all the different places they sent me to and what it took to do this.
AO,
If you pulled that off single handedly, or even with help, you are a champ in my book. Respect. I mistakenly thought you were a fake. Your the real deal.
You are hard core old school.
I’m a slow learner. You don’t give up easy. That is admirable. What you went through sounds difficult, and you pulled it off.
Hat tip.
My respect for my Stanford doctor increased when after explaining how long it took to get from my home to her office, before embarking on her examination, she called in her office assistant and had him finding places that could fit in all the tests I would need in the same day. We actually were able to squeeze everything in and head back in the same day.
Her compassion there was a blessing that eased the whole situation. I wish other doctors would have the same attitude.
I have been to UCSF several times in the last 8 or 9 years. I found the staff in the spinal unit and endocrinology, once I discussed my travel difficulties, to be very flexible with me.
Several times I would start on the first floor of the building with essential blood and urine tests. By the time I could catch an elevator and meet my appointment on the 6th floor the test results were available for the doctor’s.
I had similar experiences with x-ray, CT scans and MRI’s. I went to the brain specialist and he wanted an MRI with contrast and he told me which room in which hospital to go to. They were done with me 40 minutes later and he was able to show me the scans and tell me what was wrong. To say the least, I was impressed.
I am participating in some of their long-term studies now and odds are will be part of their elder care system soon.
I am tired of the drive and would love a bus or a van or an affordable plane ride to get there.
I never had anyone suggest, like they did at St. Joseph’s, that I was terminal anyway so why should money be invested in me. I only go to St. Joseph’s to visit sick friends.
I couldn’t agree more.
I’m not a native to Humboldt and I’m fortunately young and healthy but I’ve had some experiences within Humboldt for medical care and it’s been good in many ways. I have had 2 pregnancies and deliveries at Mad River Hospital; I was seen at the prenatal clinic within the hospital and their staff is amazing. I had a high risk pregnancy with my first son and due to limited care available within Humboldt, I had to travel to UCSF throughout my pregnancy and a few times through my sons infancy. It was a stressful situation. As you stated, it required an overnight stay and more than one appointment a day was nearly impossible. I was fortunate enough to have a Hyatt room available for every trip due to my mother in law being a Hyatt card member so we received free/discounted rooms but with gas, parking, food, room taxes, etc each medical trip was still hundreds of dollars. I was also fortunate that my husband can work from home so we didn’t lose income while traveling for our appointments. I couldn’t imagine being on a tight budget, not having transportation or the support needed for medical care out of town; it would be horrendous.
I have attempted to find an allergist as well as a dermatologist and was referred to Santa Rosa for both. That is also a day trip; with my 3 children and no child care available, I just decided not to seek those services right now.
It would be awesome for there to be an incentive or grant program for professionals to purchase homes and become long term members of Humboldt as it’s seriously needed. For example, if a professional works here and purchases a home after 3 years gets a 10k grant towards their mortage.
I am currently in school for health information technology as it’s a fully online program allowing me to be home with my children but I have been seriously considering the nursing program at CR. I plan to buy a home here and have my children grow up here; I think nursing could be a good career as it’s in high demand. I wish gen Ed requirements were eliminated; I think a more work force oriented approach to schooling would allow for many more to enter the workforce especially in high demand fields like health care. I’m also extremely nervous to enter health care in this area because I hear nothing but horror stories from employees of the conditions and work environments. Overall, this area has so much long term potential to raise a family. We’re close to the coast for ideal weather, less threat of wildfire, small town feels but has just enough to enjoy life. Stinks that so many don’t find this area appealing enough. What is Humboldt missing?
It’s not just Humboldt, or even other parts of rural California. The retention rate for healthcare professionals up here on the Oregon coast is terrible. All our old quacks (my husband’s term of endearment) have retired and getting and keeping replacements is a serious problem. It’s beautiful here, but it isn’t enough to keep some/many who prefer to be in the “big city”. Either they, or their families don’t want to be so isolated (and we aren’t nearly as isolated as Humboldt).
We have a brand new hospital, built in large part to attract new professionals. Hoping it works.
Maybe they should hire Dr. Jason McElyea
The good Dr. from Oklahoma that got busted in a fat lie (that MSM picked up and ran with).
zerohedge.com/covid-19/rolling-stone-horse-dewormer-hit-piece-debunked-after-hospital-says-no-ivermectin
Got anything more to complain about. As has been stated numerous times, you are not god, you run no ones life, you have no say in anything about anyone else’s life decisions. 40,000 Americans who crossed the rubicon are now dead because the shot killed them and they listened to dolts with political agendas masquerading as SCIENCE. The abandoned American working dogs at the Kabul airport have more decency and intuition than those humans who abandoned them and who push lies to feed their huge egos and tiny brains. The Japanese medical association recommends that all doctors prescribe ivermectin to prevent the wuhan flu. African nations regularly use ivermectin and have no need for the shot. The pcr tests are a failure because they cannot distinguish between a cold, flu, or wuhan flu. Dr. Malone, the inventor of gene therapy, recommends that only people who are older, over 60, and have pre existing conditions take the shot. Who are you gonna listen to, the inventor of the therapy or peppermint patty Jen Psaki, the regimes spokes mouth. Joe Biden is a very dumb, uncaring, unsympathetic, evil man and anything he states should be discounted as garbage and outright lies. Bottom line is the wuhan flu is here forever and will never go away. Deal with it or hide in your hole forever because the gene therapy shot doesn’t work. Stop pissing down peoples back and telling them it is raining yellow water.
Vaxxer’s spout information like they are experts. They are not. A high school diploma or GED doesn’t make you the expert in Covid or vaccines or the science behind the two. The fact that you say it doesn’t make what you profess the truth.
The same can & should be said about ANTI Vaxxers as well!!! They are even further away from being experts!!!
You can get your information about all this TWO ways:
From experts, or from conspiracy fanatics.
Your choice I guess.
Big corporate controlled experts?
Nope, I have seen more than enough incompetence by this administrative state to tell me what I need to know.
The people who are funding the media have an agenda, the people who work for the profit driven companies all have an agenda.
I will not be a part of a profit model that has zero accountability.
ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY!
Whoa- you all need to talk to someone kid. Get a grip.
?
Easiest dots to connect: follow the money.
Surprising how hard that can be for many.
Yeah like 40,000 people died from getting vaccinated. Nothing you said is true. It’s dishonest political hyperbole. Or trolling. It so hard to differentiate.
Total myth you are spreading
Unconscionable
Absolutely not that many people. Actually no one has actually died from being given the vaccine. Stop spreading false information
Do you have any verifiable data to back up your claim of 40,000 people dying from the Covid Vaxx?
My bet is NO you do not.
It’s just the latest output from America’s Frontline Doctors- an anti vaxx site- lawsuit..
Apparently some anonymous person claimed to have identified it from VAERS database scraping. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/22/instagram-posts/no-evidence-45000-deaths-covid-19-vaccines/
Ohh…wonderful.
Someone who, likely, knows little, if anything, about the difference between Coorelation vs Causation is scraping the VAERS database, which is filled 100% with unverified anecdotal data, for every covid vaxx adjacent case and plying out whatever serves their personal sense of Confirmation Bias.
Wonderful.
I WANT to believe . . .
That how conspiracy theorists are made. They want to believe.
Pretty obvious silly party politics is clouding you judgement. Lots of name calling of people who have nothing to do with St. Joseph’s. Base your decisions on reality, instead of emotions. Can you really blame the president of a few months for EVERYTHING, and not assign any blame for your troubles upon the previous administration? Their four years don’t count?
Well, when you get sick off the horse de-wormer, don’t bother with the hospital, just phone your local Veterinarian. I’m sure he’ll have a solution. “They shoot horses, don’t they?”.
Rolling Stone publishes article claiming ER in Oklahoma is full because of people self-dosing Ivermectin. Hospital says the doctor Rolling Stone quoted hasn’t worked there in two months & they haven’t had any IVM patients in the ER anyway.
WINNING: Rolling Stone ‘Horse Dewormer’ Hit-Piece Debunked After Hospital Says No Ivermectin Overdoses
zerohedge.com/covid-19/rolling-stone-horse-dewormer-hit-piece-debunked-after-hospital-says-no-ivermectin
It’s called fake news everyone. You only hear the first story not the correction.
Obviously that’s not true. You read about the revision. I read about the revision. It made national headlines. But maybe, like anti vaxxer fanciful tales about the inventors of mRNA vaccines or the inventor of the PCR test saying they were worthless or the VAERS shows 40,000 vaccine deaths or the vaccine change DNA or ruins immune systems, it will keep being repeated as if it were true. It would only be justice.
Pay NO attention to the man behind the curtain! For I am . . . well, you know, the THING!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nbbKG7B-L0
https://banned.video/watch?id=61354a854b8d8f099f33843c
More like a retraction.
“Tales”?
I don’t think he used the term “worthless” but did indeed say they should NOT be used to diagnose.
Therefore in our current situation, you could say, based on the inventor’s initial purpose in their creation they are pretty worthless.
40k is a very light estimate. Remember the 1%?
By design, the jab does ruin one’s immune system. It’s what spike proteins do. In theory, it shouldn’t last long.
In theory…
As far as DNA: do you know what reverse transcriptase means?
Are you certain it doesn’t change your dna? How? Npr?(Gates). “Fact-checkers”? (Gates)
That makes no sense. If it is possible for mRNA splice into a cell’s DNA, which is unlikely in the extreme, it is magnitudes more likely that the virus itself can do it. So anyone infected with covid, if SARS-COV-2 had that propensity, has already had their DNA changed.
The rest of the stuff has been repeatedly addressed. And is indeed wrong.
“Rest of the stuff”?
Repeatedly addressed, yes. Proven wrong? No.
Yes, virus can ALSO change DNA. So can thoughts. Actions.
GMO on!
Rolling Stone Issues ‘Update’ After Horse Dewormer Hit-Piece Debunked.“The only reason Rolling Stone is calling this an “UPDATE” as opposed to what it so plainly is — a RETRACTION — is because liberal outlets know that their readers don’t care at all if they publish fake news as long as it’s done with the right political motives and goals.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/rolling-stone-horse-dewormer-hit-piece-debunked-after-hospital-says-no-ivermectin
What do they call that? Stockhome syndrome?
Rachael Madcow on MSNBC is still running with it tho.
Yup
I love it when magas try to accuse some left-leaning news source of ‘lying’.
Wow.
Then again, these are the people fighting over horse de-wormer so they can ‘own the libs’.
I dont think the GQP has much longer to live.
lol, wow, times have changed. Rolling Stone is a trusted news source. Guess when you have a tv station called music television that doesn’t play music anything is possible.
Hay Now! Let’s leave the veterinarians out of this!
It’s kind of like treating the bloat, isn’t it? You just roll them over and over and if the don’t expel or explode, you just bring in the backhoe and bury them when they die.
To Cmon man, you might want to take the m from yr online name. Ivermectin was discovered in Japan from a soil pathogen which attacks human gut (and livestock) parasites.
The Japanese gov’t has in no way approved Ivermectin for Covid-19. That was published 8/24/2021 in
NHK WORLD-JAPAN News.
Lap dogs.
A pretty unnecessary story which has little to do with the efficacy of ivermectin, which is proven, but is attacked just like msm attacks it.
?
Does it really matter?
If you don’t think it works or could be harmful, don’t take it.
Your bod, your choice?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011
I am amazed that Kym allows you to post such blatant misinformation.
Hearsay and bullshit. That’s all you are spreading.
Japan is an Ivermectin-using country, fox.
Much of the world is.
“Now is the time to use ivermectin,” said Haruo Ozaki, chairman of the Tokyo Metropolitan Medical Association.”
https://www-yomiuri-co-jp.translate.goog/choken/kijironko/cknews/20210818-OYT8T50030/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=ajax,nv,elem
Care to “debunk” this?
Will be anxiously awaiting YOUR solution then? Oh, and if its OK by you, could we wait until the E.R. isnt full of people who are DYING right now?
Would that be all right with you and your agenda?
Hospitals are for profit not to help. They want money not to help people. There’s no covid tests available in Mendocino at all!!! Called everywhere. As we send our tests to other countries!! We are left here with nothing . Thanks Biden. Two years of this virus and we are worse than before. No ones saying much about the new president everyone mistakenly voted for. I told you so.
AND:
Please study this graph carefully, as it graphically refutes assertions made by the local Anti-Vax cadre…
Get vaccinated. Do it now.
The folks who operate Providence do not care about patient safety, employee safety, cleanliness, State and Federal Law, or much of anything else besides profits!!
There should be a general strike and shutdown by employees.
Luskin Hawk, the Pediatrician from Illinois, has to go!
Redwood Hospital and St Joseph’s are tragic shells, ghosts of what they should be…
Stay away, go to Redding, Sacramento, Marysville, hell, ANYWHERE else, for medical care…
Shame on Luskin-Hawk for blaming “Travel Nurses” for her problems…
Many “Travel Nurses” are second-rate employees, incapable of maintaining regular employment… But, it was Luskin-Hawk, who led the hospital into the situation it finds itself in…
Travelers suck, but Dr Hawk is a terrible administrator…
Nope
Darwin will sort it all of in the end!
Cool beans.
Thanks for your well thought-out and articulate comment!
Your welcome.
I have a question for you, what kind of Flowers, do you want, for your Funeral???
I’ll take an Oz of organic grown peanut butter breath, Is that a promise?.. and I’ll smoke it with you alive and well.
So, Pfizer is not about profits? For a gene therapy, that is not a vaccine and weakens immune system at not only the user’s expense for any damages, but also taxpayer expense for $20 each vial that only cost $3.50. Que Bono?
Vaxx is not gene therapy.
Period
It’s not a “gene therapy.” mRNA has no effects on DNA. Learn some biochemistry before you start pontificating on it.
The Covid vaccine obviously strengthens the immune system against Covid. How do we know this? About 53% of Americans are fully vaccinated, yet 90%+ of those hospitalized or dying of Covid are unvaccinated.
You can confirm this by checking the local news reports on almost any city or town in America. The reports are consistent across the country. The hospitals are swamped, including ours. You won’t find a news report saying “our hospitals are doing just fine.”
You are giving people false medical advice, and that can get people injured by disease or killed. Shame on you.
Ahem. We sorted this out long ago. Please focus. It all in the semantics ! And to quell any critical thought or logic we will just be changing those long standing definitions, like webster did for the word VACCINE FFS!
Messenger RNA IS genetic material, so in that sense, the vaccines are “genetically based therapy.” But the FDA classifies them as vaccines, not gene therapy.
Haha rotflmao. Genetic based therapy everyone. Not gene therapy. Because they saaaayyyyyy the lipid encapsulated RNA just POOF! vanishes.
YOU want to believe it. And they want you to. So that relationship is working.
Looks pretty suspish to me.
Carrots are made of carrot DNA, RNA, mRNA, and other carrot genetic material. Does that make carrots “gene therapy”?
Please spend more then 2 mins studying “Gene Therapy”.
You are factually incorrect and miss the most base facts about how DNA & RNA interact.
mRNA is consumed in it’s use.
Viruses can directly change DNA and/or RNA.
They hijack cells and change everything…then invade more cells and do it all over again.
Wrong last time, wrong this time. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Prove it doesn’t get used up and the pieces carted away .
Is the synthetic nanolipid vessicle that delivers the synthetic mrna into your cells identical to the biological vessicle that encapsulates naturally occurring mrna? If they are not identical, have you seen any studies examining the behavior of these synthetic nano structures within the human body? Or even in vitro?
Or is the assumption that the behavior of this synthetic nano structure is safe based on the assumption that it is basically the same as its natural analog? Is this assumption and assertion a scientifically proven fact? If so, can you share the evidence that proves it?
Not really. The lipid nano capsule is for Pfizer “a package of 4 lipids; an ionizable cationic lipid to encapsulate the negatively charged mRNA, a PEGylated lipid to help control particle size, (DSPC), a phospholipid, and cholesterol to contribute to forming the structure of the lipid nanoparticles”
” Key factors in the interaction with living structures include nanoparticle dose, the ability of nanoparticles to spread within the body, as well as their solubility. Some nanoparticles dissolve easily and their effects on living organisms are the same as the effects of the chemical they are made of. “
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8171234/
The ionizable cationic lipid and PEGylated lipid are the only ones not naturally present. And both of those have had tests prior to the vaccine with animal studies. ” they are relatively neutral at physiological pH to avoid the formation of large complexes (previously observed in LNPs using permanent cationic lipids), and protonated again in the endosome to induce endosomal escape. Moreover, LNPs comprise zwitterionic phospholipids as helper or structure lipids that mimic lipids in cell membranes.”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00642-z
Neither of those links speaks to PEGylated polymers, which are actually the ingredient i had pinged on recently because I could only find studies looking at the use of pegylated graphene oxide as a drug delivery mechanism. The results were mixed and all in vitro. There definitely seems to be the potential for adverse reactions to this product injected into you. I couldn’t find any studies of the use of these delivery methods on people.
But to summarize, you assume the “capsule” developed for these products will behave identically to its natural analog because you read a nature article that assures you of that without mentioning one of the ingredients?
There actually hundreds of articles- mostly technical studies- from 2012 onwards about the technical aspects of using various lipids and polymers to control size of nano particles in manufacturing nano capsules in order to avoid accumulating their residue in the liver rather than letting the kidneys doing that work without issue in studies on cytotoxicity. But none that I could find saying in non technical terms about one specific proprietary nanolipids. Doesn’t mean there aren’t any but it became too time consuming to pursue further. Which is always a problem with anti vaxxer kvetching. It takes hours to research only to have them dismiss it anyway. Because that is their goal- not to understand but to dismiss. And any uncertainty is a good tool for them.
There was a period of investigation of nano particle toxicity investigations due to the idea chemotherapy or enzyme replacement delivery but that was oriented towards long term use- maybe over a lifetime-and accumulative damage. It is much harder to find information on a minimal exposure such as a vaccine use. “Among their advantages, liposomes and other lipid-based NPs have been shown to have the least toxic effects for in vivo applications” are typical remarks in discussion articles which leads to tracking down related study and another 30 minutes of effort only to have to go on to another and another and another. All to no purpose in the end because it would all be dismissed. I just got fed up with the futility of it.
Why don’t you do some of the research to prove any of your own allegations of dire malfeasance? Right… not helpful to your whole esthetic of mudslinging insincerity. But once my own interest in the questions raised is no longer interesting, I won’t dance to your tune any more.
At this point I have to believe that “hundreds of studies” is your name for your assumptions. You linked two studies. None mention PEGylated lipids. Yet you know they are safe due to hundreds of studies you don’t link. Sounding like your hundreds of studies proving the modern vaccine schedule produces the best health outcomes.
This is the dismissive arrogance that breeds ever more distrust in the pharmaceutical model
Well assuming is your Forte. Stop playing so many sour notes and I might, just might, dance a bit more to your music. Googling is your friend. Try it.
“PEGylated lipid-based delivery system has been widely used for development of various medicines due to its long circulating half-life time, low toxicity, biocompatibility, and easiness to be scaled up.”
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2020.598175/full
Yes its interesting that you point that out because it does bring up an interesting aspect of the approach Pfizer has apparently taken. The PEGylated nanolipids increase the durability of the vehicle created (which may explain some of the claims of finding spike protein production in cells not located in the shoulder), they also appear to stimulate an immune response that can grow with subsequent injections (which might explain some of the waning efficacy and why Israel appears to be planning for biannual boosters). In addition there can be acute pseudoallergic responses to the PEGylated nanoparticles themselves.
They couple these with cationic lipids that are noted for their ability to foster rapid delivery of genetic material into cells but have been problematic due to their tendency to induce extremely inflammatory responses as well as their tendency to break down rapidly in blood which inhibits the efficacy of the ontological treatments that have driven research on these nanomolecule delivery platforms.
So Pfizer has chosen to mix these two substances, clearly aiming to balance their relative strengths and weaknesses and in the ideal outcome you have the rapid uptake into cells of the cationic lipid combined with the low cytotoxicity of the PEGylated lipids.
Of course the not best cases (which may be driven to some extent by identified genetic factors) include a vigorous immunological response to the PEGylated lipids themselves that induce such rapid clearing of the injection from the body that little or no significant delivery of the mrna happens.
You may also see a situation where the durability of the PEGylated lipids allows the synthetic vehicles to travel to unintended body tissues before cellular uptake occurs. There may be inflammatory responses in these unintended regions (the heart inflammation that has been noted comes to mind). This also raises questions about the risk of spike protein production in more sensitive parts of the body than the shoulder muscle it is intended for.
But sure, drive through inoculations for everyone without any examination of your personal health history or risk levels is unquestionably the best path forward and anyone who thinks otherwise is at best a moron and at worst a malicious actor seeking to cause harm. Got it
Thanks ThatGuy.
Does it really matter if it is gene therapy or gene editing?
It’s really not a “vaccine” in the traditional(pre-2020) sense.
There is a much bigger picture beyond the big bad virus. And it does involve genetics and their editing.
This is not hard to find.
You don’t want to believe and raise ridiculous allegations to avoid it. The semantics of the word vaccine or gene gerapy doesn’t change the real world facts. It matters to no one else but anti vaxxers.
Shutting down St. Joe’s is a terrible idea.
Yes, St. Joe’s has real and serious problems. Many of those problems are the same problems as similar hospitals in small communities face. Others are self-inflicted wounds. And yes, I believe that St. Joe’s doesn’t value it’s workers like it should. And yes, Providence does seem to squeeze it’s workers for nickels while it pays it’s administrators gold.
Still, St. Joe’s is vitally important to our community. It is the second largest employer in our community. Close it, and you get instant economic depression here, one that we could probably never recover from. Also, probably the majority of people here just don’t have the means to get treatment in Santa Rosa or San Francisco. Going there is costly and time-consuming, and there is no guarantee that you will get more personalized service there. And there is no guarantee that the roads to Redding will be open in the winter.
IMHO, I don’t see Luskin-Hawk as a leader. She’s a bureaucrat. She gets her marching orders from Provident and is not empowered to make real change like paying the employees what they are worth. She’s a COO, not a CEO.
You can get good care at St. Joe’s. There are a lot of good people there who a trying to do the right things. You have to pay attention to your care, be assertive, stand up for yourself and ask questions.
You already have a critically economically depressed town, and you are worrying about money first, just like Providence!
Patient care is the issue, and staff burnout! Hospitals are required by state and federal law, to staff with adequate numbers of trained, licensed, competent personnel.
Dr Hawk is responsible for the personnel shortage, and for the illegal and unsafe conditions at her hospitals!
Policemen, Judges, and Therapists all know, the one doing the blaming, is almost always the abuser!
Roberta Luskin Hawk, MD, has been doing a shit-ton of blaming, and taking zero responsibility!!
Don’t apologize for it, demand change!
Most travel nurses are perfectly capable.
Many today are people without children or who’s children are college age or older AND many of them are intentionally working themselves out of the industry because they’re over 55, AND/OR didn’t sign up for War level triage AND/OR to have such a great portion of the population to give absolutely no F*CKS about they’re own well being, much less the people who will treat them, while living daily off perpetuating the social anti vax scam.
Our hospital system can’t handle anymore unvaccinated covid patients. Please get vaccinated and leave the hospital bed for someone that doesn’t have a choice. Support your community and don’t be selfish.
No vax.
You are a credit to the community, Charlie.
Thanks. No vax.
Your funeral, as well as likely, lots of others as well!!!
Spoiler alert – Everyone dies.
Yes, eventually, of one thing or another. Not necessarily drowning from fluid in their lungs, isolated from family and friends. A particularly horrible and eminently avoidable death.
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#2?
Charlie, VMG and Con man, you willing to sign a waiver saying if you get Covid-19 after not being vaccinated, that you waive your “rights” to ER care and an ICU bed and care?
You can still be infecting others with Covid (just like those of us vaccinated folks can) but you won’t be keeping a stroke, heart attack, car or motorcycle accident patient from getting care.
Apologies to VMG for including you in my criticism. Also, I’m very sorry that your daughter is struggling with breast cancer
Hey Charlie…I just ran into this site. Hope you’re never on it…
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/
over taxed with patients and under staffed not a good combo.
Can it handle any more vaccinated COVID patients? That’s what’s coming soon, too.
You base this on what?
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Shill much for the medical industrial industry? Take it you’re ready for those subscription booster shots in order to keep your immunity which is been wrecked by gene therapy.
Ruined immunity must be why there are so many more unvaccinated people in the ICU than vaccinated.
Nurse in south Florida explaining what has really been going on…
https://mobile.twitter.com/american_ka/status/1434151270286307329
They are doing everything they can do threaten the nurses, social media monitored and peer reporting is insanely high. They promised promotions to those ratfinking others
I’ll bet you got your degree in Medicine from tRump U!!! Did you also get a BS, MS, PHD???? As in Bull Shit, More Shit, Piled High & Deep!!!
What a bullshit article. Traveling nurses are quitting because 3rd tier bureaucrats are trying to force them into taking a “Vaccine” that doesn’t work.
And your evidence for this is…?
California requires ALL medical staff to get the COVID vaccine. https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/Order-of-the-State-Public-Health-Officer-Health-Care-Worker-Vaccine-Requirement.aspx I’m sure the vast majority of medical workers know that signing on to work at a facility in California means you know you need to have the vaccine.
Not one mention from anyone we interviewed about the vaccine being an issue.
To me it seems silly to force nurses to take the vaccine when they’ve literally been in close contact with thousands of covid patients for the past year and a half. They probably have the most natural immunity out of anyone , how could they not? It’s been their life for the past year and a half everyday .
Now they’re going to fire them in the midst of already short staffing ???
How the hell does that make any sense ?
Mega,
Because hospitals need to make hot, warm, & cold zones…hot areas have a high incidence of virus….cold has little or none.
Not eveyone in the hospital is geared up for dealing with #s of people shedding loads of virus particles.
And they can cyclically spread it more than most to the same already sick people….and loose it into the community when they leave.
For some this makes it much easier to die.
This is a great way to grow more variants too.
And will further extend the time of the No Visitor policies.
Natural immunitty is not well understood, nor perfect or long term for covid.
To keep it up they must be reinfected….
Garbage.
“Not well understood”. Certainly.
But the experimental jabs are? ?
And the jabbed can’t “cyclically spread it”?
You interviewed the wrong people.
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/workforce/30-of-nurses-would-quit-over-vaccine-mandate-ohio-union-says.html
That is in Ohio…….
Again, in California, there is a statewide mandate that medical workers have be vaccinated. The traveling staff are not quitting after signing a contract because of vaccination requirements that they already knew about. That is not to say that there aren’t staff at St. Joe’s wanting to quit because of the requirement but it isn’t very likely that it is these traveling staff.
Lots of folks in OH will tithe to the church before they pay their bills.
Hmmm…
You know, its going to be tough a year or two from now, when even more people have died thanks to loons spreading the Fox manure. Most of us are already past the point of any forgiveness. How much more do you want to destroy before you decide to live IN our society?
Instead of just TAKING from it?
Somewhere in Europe, 1938.
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The issue is more simple. Relying on traveling staff is not realistic. That was a problem before the pandemic and, now that we’re in a bidding war for traveling personnel with the rest of the country, it is a bigger one now.
Precisely.
Hospitals created the shortage, by not improving salaries, working conditions and benefits.
Hospitals that still want 5-8’s and who have a system of “seniority”, are in the dark ages…
I can teach you how to develop staff, retain staff, and maintain committed employees who will never quit.
Contact me here, and, remember, you will likely have to fire your entire Admin and HR departments, and then pay salaries that will support your staff, and you may have to provide housing and other high end benefits, much like those given at “Start-ups”, like free chef-prepared meals, stock options, and pensions…
When hospitals face the future, and commit to evolution, and dump their old-school administrators, the “staffing crisis” will disappear!
Funny you mention providing housing, meals, and pensions for nurses as benefits and then getting rid of “old school administrators” – in the REALLY old school days, hospitals did have “nurses residences”, staff ate in the cafeteria for free, and pensions were par for the course.
Seems like in some situations, returning to the old-fashioned ways is a good idea.
You are correct.
60+ years ago…
I worked in 2018 in a hospital which housed & fed me, and paid my mileage to and from…
No pension tho…
And Providence can’t or won’t outbid their competitors.
Being out in the country, we used to think maybe we should move in closer to the hospital as we got older. Dodged that bullet. Now, if I can stay off ladders and drive very carefully, maybe I can survive this.
https://nursejournal.org/articles/immunization-facts-nurses/
Vaccines are cool
Glad you like them. That makes you an ideal customer for an endless parade of booster shots. Do you know the story of the old lady who swallowed a fly?
This is more in the endless assembly line of anti vaxxer prognostication that never come true. Ever hear of the boy who cried wolf? Eventually he was eaten when a real wolf showed up but no one believed him when he called for help.
Wolf, Wolf, and the future of forced jabs. They want to change the future of medicine, and these jabs are just the beginning, Perhaps you are the experiment to see what happens until they perfect it for themselves. Do note who the players and funders are.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/04/1034364/altos-labs-silicon-valleys-jeff-bezos-milner-bet-living-forever/
https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/08/01/652/scientists-are-making-human-monkey-hybrids-in-china/
[edit] When I started reading newspaper when I was 6, I was told to be very careful and not believe everything I read because there were lots of printed lies. The Internet magnifies that by millions and idiots believe them.
“Major step for implantable drug-delivery device.”
https://news.mit.edu/2015/implantable-drug-delivery-microchip-device-0629
Soon someone (or it) will push a button somewhere and the injection will happen….internally.
The future looks so bright. (for big pharma).
(Hey look, it’s gate’s bud)
What’s the incorrect prognostication? Sure seems like at least annual boosters are the way this is heading
The old lady who swallowed a fly died trying to swallow a horse. Funny how history repeats itself. Get your shots.
Isn’t St. Joe’s a religious organization? Lying is a sin, isn’t it?
nope! Lying is an acceptable business practice
A lie is not a lie, if it benefits the bottom line…
I learned this from Adventist Health, which as an organization, tells more lies per minute than any other Healthcare Organization…
Actually, one of the “Ten Commandments” simply states that:
Thou shalt not lie.
It’s impolite, deconstructive, and, it pisses God off…
Remember, God was created by man, and not the other way around. This explains why the thinking of religious organizations is so disordered and disingenuous…
Religious Healthcare Organizations exist to make money. Patient Care has little to do with it.
Why do they need money? To buy more hospitals, that’s why!!
As if non religious hospital don’t? As if your biggest complaint isn’t that they underpay the staff? Who want their own profit? The fact is that the earnings for doctors in the US is way more than double the next highest country. And the US pay for most medical fields are above the world median. One problem is that the distribution is not balanced. They aren’t here and they don’t care to be here.
Most doctors are in fields like cosmetic surgery, and other fields that cater to the wealthy.
Not many want to be a low paid GP working in an area with lousy housing, no services, and ill-equipped hospitals, where lab work is sent to the low cost inferer labs.
There are an amazing number of really good MD’s in Humboldt…
They all have trouble with decent housing, decent pay, decent treatment and decent hours…
Eureka is a shithole, but dedicated people are everywhere.
You can’t have a hospital without staff, and you won’t get staff if you treat your staff like garbage…
Usually your comments make more sense… Take a break!
I personally am a BIG Fan of the FSM (Flying Spaghetti Monster), as opposed to another Imaginary Being known as GOD!!!
“Remember, God was created by man, and not the other way around”
And of course you have proof of that comment.
The same proof of those who say God created man.
Only if there isn’t much $$$ involved!!!
They need to get on board with MyChart electronic record patient portal as the rest of the region has. I suspect they are getting kickbacks at the top for continuing to use the one off system that is incompatible with every other hospital and doctors office. On this subject, does anyone know why there is no longer a quest laboratory here? This is a problem, having to use St Joes outpatient for blood draws. OpenDoor is much more competent then the hospital system here.
Whatever they’re using is a VERY CRAPPY SOFTWARE program. As is whatever Redwood Rural is using- it looks like it’s based on windows 98 or something. Horrid. Crappy and slow. Takes up ALL of their time pretty much, and doesn’t seem to give complete or easily accessible information. My guess is they don’t have any competent IT professionals to install something that works.
& the housing thing. Yeah. Who wants to work in the area and live in a flea bag motel until they can find a flea bag house or apartment? That is, if they can even find a room.
Communities need to learn that if there is no affordable decent housing then labor just isn’t going to want to be there. Make building and permitting easier and cheaper and it would help. No one wants to build housing in this environment either.
This smells just like the ‘ol PG and E team spirit……
Gotta love for-profit medicine.
The reason the hospitals are overcrowded is that once you get a positive covid test, they don’t offer any treatment, they just send you on your way. We need to focus on treatment, not vaccines. Many people would fare better if they were sent home with a treatment. This would keep people out of the hospitals.
https://youtu.be/QAHi3lX3oGM
I watched this persons speak before, and yes, he is correct in saying that America blindsided itself to any out patient treatment, and that the medical community basically told anyone tested for covid, “to just go home”, and wait and see if they end up in the hospital.
Yes. The message is, “Come back if/when you’re sick enough for us to make a significant profit from you. Until then, you’re on your own.” This is true not only at our poor quality local hospitals but at “good” ones too.
How much contempt that expresses for people just trying to help those who need it. What do you expect them to do? Provide a bottle of ivermectin?
When the VAXes didn’t work for flu because they were the wrong ones, what did the Doctors prescribe for the flu? Wasn’t it tamiflu, HCQ, zinc, vit.C, warm tea and honey, how would that hurt? Better than turning them away empty-handed and scared out of their wits from all the Drama.
Might just be a good idea!
“It is noteworthy to mention that many anti-SARS-CoV-2s are now being tested for their efficacy in shaping the immune response of humans, through targeting the cell surface as well as intracellular toll-like receptors [34,35]. In this context, ivermectin could be an effective option as well. Considering all these facts, the present study explores the therapeutic targets of ivermectin against SARS-CoV-2 and enlightens the possibility of using this drug in COVID-19 clinical trials shortly.”
Exploring the binding efficacy of ivermectin against the key proteins of SARS-CoV-2 pathogenesis: an in silico approach
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7996102/
There are a number of treatment protocols that have been developed by people like dr McCullough and dr zelenko. Ya know, drs actually practicing the art of medicine instead of just shrugging and saying “hope they make a vaccine soon”.
Its an unfortunate lapse in the judgment of our public health infrastructure that they seem to have actively discouraged exploring treatment protocol
St. Joseph Hospital is now offering outpatient monoclonal antibody therapy.
https://kymkemp.com/2021/08/27/humboldt-has-monoclonal-antibody-infusions-for-some-covid-19-infected-but-inoculation-and-prevention-are-better-says-dr-hoffman/
It’s logical and just plain common sense that prevention is better than treatment after infection. It’s cheaper, very low risk, and it spares a person the pain and suffering of the disease, as well as the risk of death. In the USA, the death rate per million from Covid is about 2,000 per million per year. The mortality rate of COVID-19 vaccination was 8.2 per million population.
The death risk from Covid is ongoing, day after day, year after year. The death risk from the vaccine is one-time after each shot or booster.
For comparison, the 90 day mortality following hip replacement for osteoarthritis (i.e. elective surgery for a non-life-threatening condition) is about 8%, or 80,000 per million.
Wonderful video! Thanks for providing the link. I’ve watched lots of Dr. McCullogh’s presentations and always learned something. This one was no exception.
Why are all the Joe Rogans here and everywhere, who have been relentlessly and tirelessly saying “if you’re young and healthy, your fine against Covid” rushing for every or any alternative way to treat Covid ONCE THEY GET IT?
Because they’re full of it. Hypocrites. Willing to take the Monoclonal treatment while claiming to be Prochoice. So propagandized about their freedumbs, Patriotism, rugged individualism, and total fear of the vaccine.
Heads filled to the brim with FOX, OANN, etc, then right on cue repeat it word for word here like good little far right soldiers.
Then we have the deep-in-the-rabbit-hole conspiracy nutcases that found an outlet here.
Yeah, it’s funny when yer dying and all of a sudden you wish you would have gotten the vaccine that probably would have saved yer life. Hindsight is 20/20. Backwards thinking people. Real brainiacs.
Who said they will take it?
Many of us are just too stupid to live.
Why do you care if people find alternative ways to manage their symptoms after being infected with covid? Has everyone gone completely bonkers and forgot that getting covid isn’t a death sentence and 99 percent of the time you’ll have a mild or moderate reaction ?
It’s nice to know this people in the ICU are not really in danger of dying.
Those people are statistically uncommon. Covid is not a death sentence for over 99% of people infected. This has been k own and published by the likes of the WHO and CDC for well over a year now. I know that you are intelligent enough to understand the way that percentages work. People die, the vast majority of those infected with this virus do not
Define uncommon. If I stood in a room with 100 people and knew that one of them would die very shortly,another 20 would get sick enough to need to be in a hospital, I would not think of that statistical chance as uncommon. Now as to “vast”… My usual way of deciding whether something can fit into the “vast” likelihood is to picture a stadium that is fill to capacity with 50,000 people. Then mentally thrown whatever is being judged at it. It it hits one or two people, then I’d agree that the vast majority would not be affected. However, if it hit 500 people, that would be considered significant. In fact if it was done by a man with a gun, that would be almost ten times more than the worst mass shootings in the US.
But those aren’t the statistics at all. Shy of 7 percent is the highest estimate I’ve found for infections requiring hospitalizations in the US. Its much better in other countries for the most part.
The room you are describing might be accurate at a senior center. But population wide you would need a room of at least 300 before you had one statistically likely death present. And if you are talking about a group of healthy 30 year you would need several thousand people to have a statistically likely death.
If it were a room full of vaccinated people, it would need well over a thousand to find a death. I was using the percentages you supplied. And if you cherry pick a stat to include uninfected people and random parameters , then at least you could supply a link. I’m fed up with doing work for you frivolous objections.
Beats me. Unless Big Pharma has something to do with it.
Judge orders hospital to treat COVID patient with experimental drug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtxTSDZMBio
Should people not take any steps to mitigate any illness they encounter?
I can see calling out the hypocrisy if you find someone who claimed covid was a hoax then freaking out and seeking all manner of treatment after a positive test.
I believe that colds are mild and not something to worry about. When I started to get congested with metallic tasting phlegm and groggy mental space, I rested, fasted, drank broth, took some extra vitamin c and zinc and iodine, and generally took steps to make processing the illness as easy as possible on my body. Seems prudent, not hypocritical
I think the mantra, ” focus on the signal , not the noise “, is in order when thinking you can change anything but how you choose to deal with those who wish to take away your freedoms.
At least he is honest, unlike many here:
“I’m not a doctor, I’m a fucking moron,” he said. “I’m not a respected source of information, even for me.
– Joe Rogan, Moron
Yea. What a moron. Bezos and musk too ??really dumb. They will amount too nothing. ??♂️??♂️
Who here has claimed to be a doctor or dispensed medical advise? The general dialog that plays out seems to be a spectrum of people (including yourself) who insist that the only reasonable course of action for the vast majority of the population is to accept one of a number of new pharmaceutical injection protocols. Another spectrum of people (myself included) insist that these injections are not inherently the best choice for some considerable amount of the population.
One of those groups is making a specific medical recommendation.
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/
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A metallic taste is reportedly one of the symptoms of my vaxxed friends! Telling you, something is awry.
YIKES! Maybe I was exposed to someone shedding spike proteins! Kidding.
Its a symptom I associate with the chronic sinus infections I’ve dealt with since childhood. The snot goes through and electric green and drab olive phase and there is a decidedly metallic taste to it.
A hospital tried to kill one of my best friends last month. They were spraying water mixed with Oxygen into his face (basicly waterboarding). All the while saying if you go on the ventalaor this will be all over and you’ll wake up in a few week well rested. He had been talked into it, and thought that sounded great!!!
Lucky for him, this nurse (biker dude) had befriended him and pulled him off to the side and told him.. “Don’t do that bro. I’ve never seen anyone come off the ventilator”
After that the gig was up… The hospital Knew, he Knew and stoped the coercion.
Next he told them to take the water out of the Oxygen..
He improved enough to get the heck out of there.
Be careful folks! they will kill you for that Corona money.
Oh yeah, what hospital was this?
He lives in Denver. I can get the info if you really want it.
Kym,
This comment alleging that the staff at St Joseph hospital is intentionally murdering patients in order to generate profits must be far past the bounds of what is allowed up on the form.
He didn’t name a specific hospital in what I read. You did.
He didn’t even mention a city or state.
This comment has no mention of crappy Joe’s. Your making allegations.
No he lives in Denver.. He would be more than happy to tell of his expierience. I could connect Kim and him if she wants.
There is no extra ‘corona money’ that a hospital gets for treating patients with covid. If the patient is insured, the insurance company pays the standard rate for the treatments, if no insurance, Medicare pays the standard rates..
It is a bit more complicated than that.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/
The implication that hospitals are falsely reporting to rake in the big bucks is what is wrong.
Ventilator is extra $60k.
Old news.
In April of 2020, California received $145k per hospitalized “case”.
But no, I’m sure money had nothing to do with it. ?
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/state-by-state-breakdown-of-federal-aid-per-covid-19-case.html
No idea what it’s up to now.
It seems like every hospital in every town in the grand ol USA ,has a group of desgruntal employees talking shit about the place they work at. Bunch of winers.
Geez “eyeswideopen” (not!) have you spent any time at St Joe’s?? It’s a freakin understaffed nightmare. Don’t call folks whiners until you have spent some time in their shoes.
What you have to say might be more believable if there weren’t Spelling Error after Spelling Error, on & on Ad Nauseum!!!!
I was a traveler Respiratory Therapist at St. Joseph earlier this spring. My contract was canceled two days after I filed a safety report for an unsafe patient transport. There are staffing shortages nationwide. When members of the healthcare team treat others unprofessionally and disrespectfully and perform outside their scope of practice, it only makes this difficult situation worse. When a workplace environment exists where one cannot bring forward safety concerns or advocate for the patient there are larger problems than the pandemic, and bonuses or higher wages are not a solution.
I do want to say quality care can be provided here. The Emergency Department nurses, technicians and providers I worked with on nights did a great job with the space and resources available. There are good Respiratory Therapists there trying to do right by their patients.
Thanks for an actual readable comment , Michael.
What was the unsafe part? I really want to know. Accusations fly around here but it’s so hard to tell how much is real. When I have gone to St. Joe’s, I have seen both understaffed areas and places where there is an abundance of staff gossiping with each other and ignoring patients. I can see some of what is wrong. I just can’t tell why it is wrong.
I am not making the general statement that St Joseph Hospital is unsafe. I am saying unsafe things happen, which is true in every hospital. The difference here is reporting those unsafe events so they do not happen again is discouraged to the point people fear for their jobs.
“My contract was canceled two days after I filed a safety report for an unsafe patient transport.”
That’s an eye opener. Kym or one of her reporters might be interested in talking to you.
We’ve made contact already and hope to have an interview soon.
Unsafe conditions exist in many hospitals, reporting them is a common cause for termination or harassment of the reporter…
At several hospitals I have worked in, particularly at Howard Hospital and St Helena Hospital, interstaff hazing, harassment and even physical assault were tolerated, and reporting resulted in harassment and gaslighting from management…
At Redwood Hospital in Fortuna, a disabled Technologist (in a wheelchair) showed up for an interview, and the lab staff actually made fun of him! He couldn’t possibly have worked there, since the lab was crammed into a tiny space and cluttered with equipment and accoutrement and was unsafe for almost anyone to work in, but the man was ridiculed, and the staff joked about it for days afterwards…
I hope they had a nice ADA lawsuit following that interview…
Unsafe conditions for staff are routinely ignored, complaints are seldom attended to, and poor conditions are almost never improved.
HR at St Joseph’s will force you to sit for 2 days and be “oriented”, and you will be exhorted to fill out “report forms”, but if you do, you will be without a job in short order…
Incidentally, modern hospitals will fire almost anyone, for almost anything… It’s a question of “do they like you” more than a question of “can you do the job”…
I worked at Mercy Truxton in Bakersfield for a few months, and was contacted by a recruiter from St Mary’s in SF, pretty much at random… Talked to her for a minute, told her I was working in Bako but might move up to SF if they were serious…
Next day, I was fired. For speaking to a recruiter.
At Howard hospital, I watched as a useless piece of equipment, inexplicably stored in a narrow aisle, was tripped over by 25 different people… Finally, I tripped over it myself…
I reported the unsafe condition, and, filed a Workman’s Comp report too…
The item was moved, after a few days, but my Comp Claim was never processed, I was never told to see the Doctor, and, my Manager started harassing me.
They won. I refuse to work for abusive people, and I moved on…
The manager has been replaced, but all those Adventist Health Hospitals have trouble staffing, and, their reputation as an employer, just like St Joseph’s, is permanently damaged…
People who work in these places are prone to network, and, the bad places are well known…
Well, on the topic of St Joe’s management; “a lack of organisation and a lack of motivation to address ongoing problems increasingly resulting in a lack of confidence in hospital leadership” and “hospital administration was ignoring RNs pleas for help, and they were actually refusing to extend travellers contracts. In part, this is a manufactured crisis brought about by Providence’s model of financial “productivity first” and concern for the well-being of staff as a distant second – while paying the people at the very top of the organisation multiple millions of dollars a year” pretty much sums it up.
As a regular visitor to St Joe’s, I have been given good care there (but I’m at stage four cancer, and the oncology center is in a separate building from the main hospital). I do agree with the nurses that management should lead, not blame, as they are doing now.
Fix the problem, not the blame.
The wife of a friend of mine told me that as a traveling nurse she can only work at one spot for ninety days before being required to leave. She wanted to work at St Joe’s but was required to live a specific distance away from Eureka in order to qualify. So she moved and got a job in Oregon (and stayed there). Does anyone here reading this believe this is a good policy during these times?
Why would any nurse working with Covid patients (or any other patients in the hospital) not want a vaccine?
The pay of the top administrator should be capped at no more than five times to pay of the lowest paid hospital employee.
Quarterly profits should also be capped, with excess revenue being invested back into employee benefits and hospital improvements.
Of course this is unlikely to happen out of for-profit privately owned hospital.
OT. When I lived in Sonoma and Mendocino counties I had complete medical autonomy, i.e., if I said NO to a test or procedure, NO meant NO and without repercussions.
My attempt to establish medical care at Open Door in Fortuna was a massive fail! I had a documented medical diagnosis in my medical chart notes. I had recurring pain in my right sacroiliac joint. The FNP wanted numerous lab tests to rule out liver or kidney problems. I knew what my problem was from experience and prior diagnosis and I refused to visit the lab.
My ex-FNP refused to see me again! I’m not a cash machine or ATM and not interested in doing stuff not needed. What I learned is that in Humboldt County you only have medical autonomy if you do everything the provider asks. I suspect this is a funding rather than medical issue.
You can request(demand) that a provider’s refusal to provide your request be CHARTED. This will help you when you sue the bastards ☺
I was treated like I was attempting to steer a diagnosis when my medical history said otherwise. My ex-FNP was too lazy to read my chart notes.
They probably couldn’t access your records. I tried to get records from them for a few years and even my doctor couldn’t access them. I don’t think any older records are entered into their software and are just lost in the basement or something.
You should run a story on conditions at Open Door and employee satisfaction there. Would be a very similar story in regards to employee satisfaction, short staffing, low pay and massive resignations.
Humboldt County health facilities have a history of appointing ineffective and unqualified individuals as directors and CEOs. Think back to Asha George and the damage she did to the local Mental Health system. There needs to be citizen involvement when appointing these “leaders.” It seems that Humboldt County Mental Health is on a better path now, and St Joe’s needs to remove Roberta Luskin-Hawk so they can move forward.
We need a true non-profit hospital to replace Providence. I can concur, my partner suffered while recovering there from spinal surgery in 2018 due to shortage of staff, he couldn’t get his pain medication in time and experienced so much pain, even with me in there chasing them down asking for the meds. I can’t even imagine the stressful chaos that must be going on right now in there. I hope a solution is found soon.
Very well written piece!
So SJH makes a business decision to not pay the regular emloyees and the travelling ones that result in $900 bills for just showing up are also leaving. Anything more than a broken arm gets a trip to UCSF or Davis.
Judge denies request for West Chester Hospital to treat COVID-19 patient with Ivermectinhttps://www.wlwt.com/article/judge-denies-request-for-west-chester-hospital-to-treat-covid-19-patient-with-ivermectin/37491731?fbclid=IwAR2bOF3c2CIOk7PZM7hiyVFOzNX9E0-HVo0GntHqHP_WdAifX_ndBm8yXiQ#
He’s been on a vent for 30 days. What they afraid his gonna die?
I’ve purchased some from Tractor Supply and I’ve tried it twice. No side effects and it taste like apple flavored yogurt. Don’t believe the BS that the CDC, FDA, and NIH are telling you!
Hey Wally! Good to see you here, Bro!
Cheers!!! My Dude!!
Pretty funny… considering you’ve been here all along…
Hey folks,
There’s a new pharmacist in town!
Really knows his shit!
Poor Wally – He doesn’t know the TRUTH about the horse paste . . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nbbKG7B-L0
Lol
Please follow Rule #14.
Ok where do I find Rule #14?
My apologies. I must have been moving too fast and forgot to attach this: https://kymkemp.com/commenting-rules/
TY
Maybe he’s not so crazy after all?
https://banned.video/watch?id=61354a854b8d8f099f33843c
Fortunately his wife won the lawsuit and he was subsequently given Iv.
And…no surprise: completely recovered.
Rare feat for someone put on a ventilator.
I think if you asked any hospital nurse whether they’d rather have 25% more nurses per unit or a 25% pay raise, almost all would choose to have more staff.
If you didn’t work last year because the ass clown in CA governors office told you to stay home, and you sat on your ass waiting for that ass clown to take care of you and didn’t pay your rent while you were sitting on your ass waiting for free money from the soon to be recalled ass clown…
No BBQ for you!
Three years!
Luskin-Hawk once told surgery nurses that it didn’t matter what our pay was because we just work there because we love it. We had a director who changed our time-cards, I went to HR, nobody cared, saved them a few pennies. Ratified Union rules were broken routinely, I went to HR but it didn’t matter. The on-call situation for surgery was not humane but they just patched it with travelers. If someone called in sick there was nobody to fill in and surgeries just got added to the end of the day. Sometimes they wouldn’t even tell you. You just didn’t get relieved from your shift. The computer charting was difficult to use and didn’t interface with other hospital departments. I worked there for many years but had to quit because the frustration of waiting for things to get better was taking a toll on my mental health. It didn’t used to be that way and got much worse after Providence took over and the bottom line became the motivating factor. I thought there was worth in having/keeping experienced nurses, not so much. Luskin-Hawk once suggested St Joes was going to build housing but that seemed to die on the vine. Highly educated and professional workers don’t like to be treated so poorly and travelers spot the ugliness right off. They’ve been other places where they were treated with respect.
MILLIONS OF NURSES ARE RESIGNING OR BEING FIRED OVER COVID VAXX MANDATES
https://libertylibrary.net/v/1595
Powerful testimony from those nurses on the front lines….I commend them for speaking up. God’s angels of mercy guide them, we support them and heaven applauds them…
Blessings for all nurses who are willing to stand up to this slaughter of innocent people….https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.1.0/svg/1f64f.svg
I’m beginning to see why Loco banned you…the level of false information put out is disheartening.
First, the vast majority of people dying are dying because they failed to get the vaccine. Of 33 people dead related in any way to COVID in Humboldt County none so far are known to have died of having the vaccine. 32 died without the vaccine and only one died with the vaccine.
Kym, looking at the chart in this article it lists dead and vaccinated as 1.4/100k for August. Doesnt that imply 2 vaccinated people dead in our county of 136k?
It does and I should have noticed it. I’ve reached out to DHHS to see if another person died fully vaccinated between the 25th and the 28th when the chart was released.
Not so fast…
Maybe it’s not the the number of deaths that is underestimated, but It’s been the pertinent population that has been overestimated?
Only the fully vaccinated would be included.
Sometimes confusion can be attributed to just being a misunderstanding.
My guess would be that it’s only including the vaccinated. 54.09% of 135,553, or, 73,320.
So 1 per 73,320, or 1.36 per 100,000.
Let’s call it 1.4.
1.36 definitely rounds to 1.4
That explains it.
Only one vaccinated death, so far.
Relax, you can stick to your guns, for now.
What happened to that unshakable confidence of old?
Has the seed of doubt finally been sown?
Or has it already, finally, taken root?
Soon it will grow in the light of day… As it’s dawned upon…
Cancel that call to the DHHS.
??The mystery has been solved.?️♂️? ( Not just another pretty face)
Hyper-observance strikes again.
Just seeing the problem is only half the battle, it’s then looking for the explanation, that leads to the appropriate answer, and the ultimate victory. ✌️
I don’t understand what this part of your comment is in regard to;
“Relax, you can stick to your guns, for now.
What happened to that unshakable confidence of old?
Has the seed of doubt finally been sown?
Or has it already, finally, taken root?
Soon it will grow in the light of day… As it’s dawned upon…”
It seems to be unrelated to the rest of your comment.
More importantly, what part did you understand?
That may be the explanation and would be a sensible way to organize that graph.
How does that interpretation translate into the relative rates of hospitalizations?
A bar graph would more accurately illustrate the information given.
The relative vaxxed vs unvaxxed hospitalization rates are given monthly. Standalone side by side bar comparisons, would be most appropriate. (Weekly intervals for the vaxxed vs. unvaxxed case comparison bar graph, as that is how that information is provided).
Connecting the tops of what should be a bar graph with a meandering line just muddies the clarity of the information. Why?
It is confusing.Trends can be seen in a bar graph.
As far as ‘the interpretation’, yes the breakthrough death(s),
would be compared to the vaccinated population only,
(1 of 73,320+- fully vaxxed), by definition, (1.4 per 100,000).
The unvaxxed Covid19 deaths, (33 of 62,223),(53 per 100,000), would be just compared to the remainder of the population.
So, 1.4 vs 53, (per 100,000), vaxxed vs unvaxxed, Covid19 deaths, respectively, in 2 months.
I was hoping for confirmation from Kym, if and when she heard back from DHHS, that this was the case, but so far, no word…
I see where the graph states 33 per 100,000 unvaxxed deaths???
This month? Or Total?
Now I am confused, too. My number as to the unvaxxed deaths 53 per 100000 is obviously wrong.
The vaxxed death figures are hopefully right.
I confirmed that there has only been one fully vaccinated person who died of COVID in Humboldt County as of this morning.
And…. How many partially vaxxed. Or less than two weeks from last of two doses or the single j&j?
Huge gaps in data reporting and undercounting breakthrough infections by only counting hospitalizations and media unwilling to parse those numbers are driving the hysteria.
I still say it’s higher than that, with deaths due to adverse reactions from the covid vaccine that were chalked up to other medical conditions.
A new category of professional has joined the legal challenges to university vaccine mandates: doctors.
University of California Irvine (UCI) School of Medicine psychiatrist and medical ethicist Aaron Kheriaty is suing the university system to recognize his natural immunity from COVID-19 recovery, and he’s getting help from fellow UC medical professors.
The UC system’s 90-day medical exemption for recovered faculty is “not supported by scientific data and underestimates the durability of natural immunity,” which is far better established than for COVID-19 vaccine-induced immunity, six faculty wrote in a declaration in support of Kheriaty’s motion for preliminary injunction.
They cited reams of studies worldwide that establish “prior infection with SARS-CoV-2 appears to provide greater than 99% efficacy from reinfection,” thanks to “antibodies to the nucleocapsid and to the spike protein, T-helper cells, B-cells, natural killer cells, and innate immunity.”
By contrast, the vaccines approved under emergency use authorization have shown “considerably less efficacy in the real world” of COVID variants,” they wrote, than they did under the “previous ideal conditions in a clinical trial,” where their efficacy ranged from 67-95% against “the original wild-type variant” of COVID. (The FDA fully approved a Pfizer vaccine the same day they filed the declaration.)
The challenge was spearheaded by UCLA professor Carole Browner. “Like many scientists[,] physicians and health sciences researchers I was troubled by” the speed with which vaccines were coming to market, given that the vast majority of pharmaceuticals “don’t pass safely or effectiveness or uniqueness standards,” she told Just the News in an email.
She was concerned that “inexpensive potentially effective repurposed drugs with decades of use, strong safety profiles and billions of doses administered worldwide” were ignored in trials to treat COVID-19, while institutions and governments pushed forward with mass vaccination requirements “regardless of individual medical histories or personal risk.”
more
https://justthenews.com/nation/science/university-california-doctors-challenge-its-covid-vaccine-mandate-irrational
That chart has nothing to do with the outcomes of vaccination.
That chart is discussing the outcomes of covid infection and segregating the results based on vaccination status.
Correct, and now I also see that 33 per 100, 000, looks off.
Wally’s comments are insulting, abusive, totally and usually false, and, they contain so much bad information it’s almost like he is TRYING to be banned…
That surely couldn’t be his goal…
He’s been here sowing discord and falsehoods all along.
I didn’t actually read Wally’s linked article but it looks like the subject matter has to do with nurses resigning/being fired.
Is that false?
Wally, “You are not the father!”
Of course “Wally” was there. Went by many names. Turned the threads into political battlefields and trolled unmercifully.
And kiss your kidneys and liver goodbye. Don’t horse around with bull shit.
Pfizer is the result you say ‘in US history’. There are way bigger ‘in history’ ones.
Nurses are heroes!
staff shortages are not due to excess covod patients. They are due to hispital workers being FORCED to take an untested, experimental kill shot to keep their jobs. These people are not stupid. They aren’t going to sacrifice their lives for this evil hoax. They would rather quit and LIVE, than take a deadly shot that doesn’t even work. Wake up.