Humboldt Has Monoclonal Antibody Infusions For Some COVID-19 Infected, but Inoculation and Prevention Are Better, Says Dr. Hoffman

Monoclonal Antibody Therapy for COVID-19

[Image from LA County Department of Health and Human Services]

In response to reader curiosity and our own inquisitiveness, we have learned that Humboldt County does indeed have access to the highly-sought after and still experimental COVID-19 therapeutic treatment known as monoclonal antibodies.  Yes, it is true.  Here, we explain what it is, what it is not, who can get them, why someone might want them, and how they are administered.  

We asked Providence St. Joseph Hospital’s Press Communications Director Christian Hill about the availability of this potentially game-changing treatment.  In the midst of vaccine mandates and burgeoning emergency rooms across the region and the state, a therapy that could lessen the impact of hospital capacity is a welcome tool in the arsenal. The hype around the experimental treatment has been building for months, beginning with former President Donald Trump receiving the treatment after falling ill with COVID-19 last year. 

We are informed by Hill that at St. Joes, “Regeneron, a monoclonal antibody is being provided to select patients.”  Indicating there is not a great deal of the antibodies to go around, Hill assured us that more will be coming soon. “There is an international shortage of Tocilizumab, a monoclonal antibody that may have a role in therapy.”  

He confirmed for us that St. Joseph Hospital has been using this locally, saying, “We have given this to some patients, more has been ordered, however there is limited availability.”  Hill assured us, “[T]he manufacturer is working on increasing supply.” 

According to St Joseph Hospital, the plan would be to offer the therapy to more people soon. “In order to expand access, we are setting up an Outpatient Monoclonal Antibody Infusion Program for people diagnosed with COVID-19 who are at risk of progression.” We are told the hospital anticipates this new infusion program to open as soon as this week.

Well before any vaccine was made available, Chief Scientific Officer, George Yoncopoulos was vying for emergency use of the monoclonal antibody made by Regeneron and Biontech.  In September of 2020 he explained, “[Y]es people’s immune systems most of the time can do a great job fighting the virus, by making antibodies against the virus- but then we showed that with most people it’s a race against the virus and their immune system most people win this race by rapidly making more antibodies, however, some people make antibodies more slowly, and this delayed response can put them at risk of losing this race to the virus.”  

The Regeneron Scientific Officer spoke with unmitigated confidence about the treatment before it had received the FDA’s go-ahead and Emergency Use Authorization during the pandemic.  He added, “[W]e can turn losers into winners by giving them their own immune system in a vial.” 

Humboldt County’s Health Officer also expressed hope that this treatment could be helpful locally.  Hoffman told our reporter during a virtual Press conference Thursday morning, he was hopeful that it would be more widely available soon, but was cautious in placing a bet on this as therapy as the winning game changer, preferring the vaccine in the long run. Hoffman explained that while monoclonal antibodies are a handy tool in the battle against COVID-19, they may not be for everyone.  

“When we talk about cost-benefit ratio here, this is a very labor intensive treatment and it is not something that is going to easily, be widely available,” he said. “So one of the reasons it’s been difficult to implement is because this requires dedicated space where a person can sit for several hours while getting this infusion of the antibody. It requires nursing staff – which we just already talked about was extraordinarily short on in our county and everywhere  [and] it requires oversight by physician staff…”  

Screengrab from August 26th virtual COVID-19 press Conference, Dr. Hoffman discusses the cost-benefit considerations of the monoclonal antibody infusion treatment locally. 

Screengrab from August 26th virtual COVID-19 press Conference, Dr. Hoffman discusses the cost-benefit considerations of the monoclonal antibody infusion treatment locally.

Currently the Federal Drug Administration has approved the Regeneron Monoclonal Antibodies for Emergency Use Authorization.  “The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has granted an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for REGEN-COV™ (casirivimab and imdevimab) for the treatment of mild to moderate COVID-19 in adults and pediatric patients 12 years of age and older with positive results SARS-CoV-2 viral testing, and who are at high risk for progression to severe COVID-19, including hospitalization or death.”  

The treatment is described by the FDA as ”Monoclonal antibodies are laboratory-made proteins that mimic the immune system’s ability to fight off harmful antigens such as viruses. Sotrovimab is a monoclonal antibody that is specifically directed against the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 and is designed to block the virus’ attachment and entry into human cells.” 

Patrizia Cavazzoni MD, director of the FDA’s Center for Drug Evaluation and Research is quoted in the FDA’s press release of May 26, 2021 saying, “With the authorization of this monoclonal antibody treatment, we are providing another option to help keep high-risk patients with COVID-19 out of the hospital.” 

According to Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, it is reaching fewer than 30 percent of eligible patients, up from fewer than 5 percent a month ago. In a May 2021 interview, Chief Scientific Officer of Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, Inc, George Yoncopoulos discussed the antibody treatment and why it may be an important new tool in the arsonal as doctors and health officers across the nation grapple with surging COVID cases.  

“Obviously we’re all hoping that vaccines are being broadly enough used to generate what’s called ‘herd immunity’.  What is that?  The vaccine makes individuals make their own antibodies against the virus – antibodies that will bind to and kill the virus and provide protection against them,” said Yoncopoulos.  

The scientist explained the method behind the production, explaining, “[W]hat we were able to do was essentially clone out the very antibody – the best of the antibodies that bind and block to the coronavirus – we grow them up in these big bioreactors and then we highly purify them and we concentrate them, and we can give it back to individuals as an injection.” 

“The cocktail is still retaining its effectiveness against all the variants of concern that have been identified to date… if you’re already infected… This can decrease your risk of progressing to severe disease, hospitalization or death.  It can also shut down your production of the virus, so making you less infectious, so if it was used widely enough, it would actually decrease the spread.” 

The antibody infusion is an intravenous therapy that needs to be done in an outpatient or hospital.  The process is not simple, and is likely to be followed by a short time of observation by the staff on duty.  It is recommended that a patient get the treatment as soon as possible following a positive COVID-19 test result, and within 10 days of symptoms.   

Dr. Hoffman placed his proverbial bet on the inoculation, as the “winner” in the fight against the virus.  He said, “[Y]ou know, the highest, really bang for our buck, it’s vaccination.  Those folks who are highest risk for for needing monoclonal antibodies would also reduce their risk just as much if not more actually by getting vaccinated, and so those same people who are unvaccinated, if they would go out and get vaccinated right now would actually have a better impact on on this pandemic.  It’s safer.  I would say, you know, vaccination is much safer than the monoclonal antibody treatment and it lasts much longer.  We know that the monoclonal antibodies probably only give protection for maybe a few months – possibly only a few weeks – it’s really geared to preventing the disease right in that moment, whereas vaccination is a long-term, much longer term solution.” 

In regard to possibly having this treatment administered in other ways, Regeneron’s Yoncopoulos noted, “Our most recent phase three study was actually done testing a subcutaneous – that’s a simple injection right under the skin – that can be done at home or in a doctor’s office or anywhere, does not require an infusion center. It appeared that when given that way, the cocktail was very effective, and so we are talking with the FDA about having them authorize subcutaneous administration for both treatment of already infected people as well as for prevention, and we will see what the FDA thinks about that data.” 

The therapy is not authorized for use in patients “who are hospitalized due to COVID-19, who require oxygen therapy due to COVID-19, who require an increase in baseline oxygen flow rate due to COVID-19 in those on chronic oxygen therapy due to underlying non-COVID-19 related comorbidity.” 

Breaking down the difference between the monoclonal antibody treatment and the effects of getting vaccinated, Humboldt’s Public Health Officer Dr, Hoffman had this to say.  “Monoclonal antibodies are really designed to kind of go in quickly for someone who’s either been infected, or at super high risk for infection based on a high risk exposure, to prevent them from getting really sick in that couple week time period that they would get sick in, but it doesn’t last long. It doesn’t stimulate the body’s response to prevent disease in the future, whereas a vaccine stimulates your own body to produce those antibodies for a long time, and you know, the real difference is that long-lasting immunity versus that just, short time period.”  

Doubling down on his professional opinion that the vaccine won in both unofficial categories of efficiency and longevity when up against the antibody infusion, Hoffman said, “[A]gain, we’re talking about a very labor intensive, high cost, high barrier treatment, that will help people stay out of the hospital – but it’s not going to last for very long, versus a very easy to administer, we can do it in 15 minutes, we can do a lot of people in a day, and it’s going to last for a really long time, the cost is way less…” 

People who do want to receive anti-SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibodies are advised to put off vaccination at least 90 days, according to the FDA, as a precautionary measure,because the treatment may “interfere with vaccine-induced immune responses”.  The FDA also noted, “people who develop COVID-19 after receiving SARS-CoV-2 vaccination, prior vaccination should not affect treatment decisions, including the use of and timing of treatment with monoclonal antibodies. A fact sheet for providers (and inquiring minds) can be found here

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UnflappableJack
UnflappableJack
3 months ago

When people with natural immunity are mandated to take the jab, it’s not about science.

ILoveplants
ILoveplants
3 months ago

https://apple.news/ASE64loaiRJSUS-D9M1Ub0A

Oh no this is not good news for the pro vax people. The article claims that people fare better with natural immunity against covid delta variant, than with 2 doses of the Pfizer vaccine

Got logic ?
Got logic ?
3 months ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

Anyone with intuitive sense knew that from the beginning!

“Pox” upon anyone that encourages – or worse- coerces, anyone into taking, or giving their children, these godforsaken mRNA and Johnson and Johnson clot shots! You are wrong.

Avoid the jab!

Fortify yourself. It’s literally that simple.

Remember, unless you’re an insulin dependent diabetic your health is not found in a syringe.

Everyone, jabbed or not, has already, or will eventually have a run in with the Covid 19.

Focus your rage on fucking fauci and his nefarious lab scam, not on your pro-choice neighbor. They can’t make you sick. Your body is half the fucking equation when it comes to ANY viral exposure. Worry about yourself.

The shots don’t do shit. So you all can STFU about “do it to protect others.” That’s a lie. And lies being sold as gospel deserve no respect.

Things that make you go hmm...
Things that make you go hmm...
3 months ago
Reply to  Got logic ?

Then don’t go to the hospital and don’t go to the ER or even call 911 for as much as a fucking sneeze! You get what you get as do any and all of yours.

Enjoy your weekend going to fair, without a mask. Or a clue for that matter ..

Misguidedyouth
Misguidedyouth
3 months ago

Jesus Christ you threaten to ban me for sarcastic comments to long time commenters but you always let people say things like this as long as they are on your same wavelength if narrative.

Kym Kemp
Admin
Kym Kemp (@kymk)
3 months ago
Reply to  Misguidedyouth
I like stars
I like stars
3 months ago

If you call 911 for a sneeze, you might be part of the problem instead of part of the solution

Yeah,sure
Yeah,sure
3 months ago

Says the idiots pushing ivermectin.

Ivan Mectin
Ivan Mectin
3 months ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

I took ivermectin when I got sick and I was better in a couple days. Wonder drug, and you’re being herded to the slaughterhouse

UnflappableJack
UnflappableJack
3 months ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Like the “idiots” in Argentina who studied a group of 1200 healthcare workers. Eight hundred took ivermectin and the remaining 400 were given a placebo. Not one of the 800 got covid whilst 58% of the placebo group got the flu. But hell, go ahead and take a vaccine that isn’t effective with Delta. Now that’s idiocy.

Angela Robinson
Angela Robinson
3 months ago

Citation needed.

Prof. Quiz
Prof. Quiz
3 months ago

I got this from my Dr.

Early COVID-19 therapy with azithromycin plus nitazoxanide, ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine in outpatient settings significantly improved COVID-19 outcomes compared to known outcomes in untreated patients – ScienceDirect

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297521000792?dgcid=raven_sd_recommender_email

Yeah,sure
Yeah,sure
3 months ago

So what army are you in, the zero sense army?

North west
North west
3 months ago

Covid shots don’t work for the flu You seem a little to dumb to be calling anyone an idiot

Thirdeye
Thirdeye
3 months ago

The herd of antivaxxers calling to each other.

Alberta
Alberta
3 months ago

Fauci ADMITS “antibodies” from COVID-19 vaccines actually make the virus stronger
08/26/2021
By Arsenio Toledo

Chief Medical Advisor to the President Dr. Anthony Fauci admitted that the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccines could actually make the coronavirus worse.

During a press conference at the White House, Fauci talked about antibody-dependent enhancement, or ADE.

ADE is a phenomenon that happens when the antibodies generated by the body during an immune response bind themselves to the pathogen but do not properly wipe it out. Instead, these antibodies act as a Trojan horse, giving the pathogen a way to get further into the body and spread. This, in turn, requires an even greater immune response from the body, which might actually make the situation worse.

Angela Robinson
Angela Robinson
3 months ago
Reply to  Alberta

How about the primary source instead of a guy who writes for InfoWars?

The tin foil is so strong today on RHBB that my teeth are positively galvanic.

UnflappableJack
UnflappableJack
3 months ago

“Mexico City authorities created a home-treatment-kit, including Ivermectin, for its 22 million-strong population in December 2020 and cut hospitalizations by over 70%.

Those Indian states that adopted Ivermectin policies saw their cases fall far more than 80%; Uttar Pradesh – down 98% [37,944 to 596], Uttarakhand – down 97% [9642 to 287] and Goa – down 90% [4195 to 423]. Delhi saw a 99% drop [28,395 to 238].”

Legallettuce
Legallettuce
3 months ago

Pharmaceutical giant Merck & Co., which developed ivermectin and makes the drug, said in February that based on available and emerging studies of the drug to treat COVID-19, company scientists found “no scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect.” The company also said it found “a concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.”

The People who would profit disagree with your untraceable data but who should we believe?

fishkiller
fishkiller
3 months ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

ivermectin is generic (off patent, any company can make it) and is cheap. Merck is not making any money on ivermectin.
literally pennies

I like stars
I like stars
3 months ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

How would the profit potential from ivermectin treatment compare to the profit potential from mrna vaccinations? How would the “need” for multiple “boosters” affect the numbers?

Formerly 4T
Formerly 4T
3 months ago
Reply to  I like stars

Very good Q.

Alberta
Alberta
3 months ago

I am assuming you know how to use the internet,
Now, get off your lazy arse and look it up
Yourself.

Prof. Quiz
Prof. Quiz
3 months ago

Ivermectin is highly effective as a safe prophylaxis and treatment for COVID-19: Comprehensive review – Outbreak News Today

http://outbreaknewstoday.com/ivermectin-is-highly-effective-as-a-safe-prophylaxis-and-treatment-for-covid-19-comprehensive-review-12291/

Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Drug? – WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fda-ivermectin-covid-19-coronavirus-masks-anti-science-11627482393

Bushytails
Bushytails
3 months ago
Reply to  Prof. Quiz

“A group of 10 doctors who call themselves the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance have said”… Not a single thing these people have said has ever turned out to be correct. They have a history of pushing bullshit, well before covid. If they turn out to be right about ivermectin, it’s like a stopped clock. Both of your links are press releases put out by them, not reporting or science.

No well-done study has found ivermectin to be particularly effective. Also, of note, even the worst-done studies have not found it to be anywhere near as useful as getting vaccinated.

Ivermectin, to me, falls under the category of things that need further research. A well-designed large-scale study to give a solid answer to just how effective it is. No study to date has provided evidence of sufficient quality to recommend it as a treatment.

rollin
rollin
3 months ago
Reply to  Bushytails

” Not a single thing these people have said has ever turned out to be correct.”

says the guy who thought lockdowns and masks would work-LOL

” If they turn out to be right about ivermectin, it’s like a stopped clock.”

Sounds like your hedging your bets for when you turn out to be wrong…..again!

How’s that Pengalin kissed a turtle theory workin out?

Bushytails
Bushytails
3 months ago
Reply to  rollin

I’m pretty sure I’ve not ruled out ivermectin working – in fact, I’ve said it needs further study. What are you saying I’ll be wrong about? If it turns out it works, then it being further studied was a good idea. This is why we have science.

Lockdowns and masks do work. Certain people, on the other hand…

Formerly 4T
Formerly 4T
3 months ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Pretty decent of you Bushy, imo.

“Further studied”?

Like the jab?

Iver has been around for quite a while. Lots of studies (care for a link?). FDA-approved in 1996 I believe?

Patricia Kirby
Patricia Kirby
2 months ago
Reply to  Bushytails

What works in a test tube doesn’t necessarily mean it works in humans

Blondie
Blondie
3 months ago

Okay Angela. Lets just pretend you are a noble soul defending us from a few lone antivax freaks. And that massive protests against vax mandates and passports are not happening worlwide.

Things that make you go hmm...
Things that make you go hmm...
3 months ago
Reply to  Alberta

So you never had the Tdap vaccine either ⁉️ or maybe a tetanus shot?

Auntie Ovine
Auntie Ovine
3 months ago
Reply to  Alberta

Utter folly. ADE is a function of the virus, not the vaccine. Reinfection from the virus itself would cause ADE if was going to happen. In other words, if you had a “light” case of covid, the second time you were infected, ADE would take place and you would be worse if ADE was an issue. If you had the same antibodies from a vaccine, ADE could similarly occur IF SARS-COV-2 infected areas vulnerable tissues. But sars-cov-2 has shown no signs of doing this. Neither in cases of reinfection nor in breakthrough infections. In fact the reason mRNA vaccines are so much less likely to do this than inactivated virus vaccines is because it turned out that the adjunct or the inactivation process was what triggered the the ADE in that type vaccine. mRNA vaccines are safer from ADE than older methods of vaccination. They do not have adjuncts nor inactivated virus. Not the other way around. If ADE was an issue, it would be an issue already clear. And it would not be just with the vaccinated. And it would likely effect those given monoconal antibodies, which can be chosen to reduce but not eliminate ADE. And if the… Read more »

Cmon man get real
Cmon man get real
3 months ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

The head of the Japanese medical association recommended today that all doctors in Japan take the anti viral therapeutic Ivermectin to prevent and combat the wuhan bio weapon. I I trust and like the Japanese, very smart people, natural born warriors, pragmatic, humble, and have common sense. Hopefully More Americans can wake up to the toxic predicament they find themselves living in.

Auntie Ovine
Auntie Ovine
3 months ago

Which has nothing to do with ADE. Japanese medicine has a philosophical problem with telling patients unpleasant news because they think it harms the patient’s well being. And their doctors bow to family pressure. If someone wants to take ivermectin and the doctor thinks it won’t harm them, they will prescribe it even if they think it does no good. So if this drug has a demand, it will be given. It does not mean they believe it works.

Auntie Ovine
Auntie Ovine
3 months ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Added “Overpaying for lousy cell phones is one thing, but domestic support for subpar products has even extended to pharmaceuticals. Japanese doctors prescribe hundreds of useless drugs that flopped overseas. Just one example is Ono Pharmaceutical’s Kinedak, which failed to receive approval in the United States as it had no discernable impact on humans, but still sells $160 million per year in Japan.”
https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/10/01/the-japan-syndrome/

Patricia Kirby
Patricia Kirby
2 months ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

I live in senior building 90% inhabited by Japanese four of which are over 100 years old and all of them are vaccinated…the only people in the building unvaccinated are 5 white Americans two of which call the pandemic a hoax, one who says he had the best vitamins and the other two call their vaccinated neighbors guinea pigs…so if ivermectin is so great why did these Japanese families choose vaccination for their elders who are greatly revered and anxiously await to vaccinate their children….

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Someone
Someone
3 months ago

Hospitals cannot deny treatment to anyone because they refused a vaccine. Or for any other reason. Thank god youre not a healthcare worker.

Guest
Guest
3 months ago
Reply to  Someone

That is an untrue statement. There are plenty of people that were turned away from hospitals because they didn’t have a covid shot and then DIED!! https://gizmodo.com/teen-who-died-of-covid-19-was-denied-treatment-because-1842520539
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-08-17/vaccinated-covid-doctor-shot
Do you even know what or who Deagel is??? They keep the government projections of populations for the world governments in all regions. Here is their projections for 2025. straight2point.info/deagel-2025-forecast/. You can obviously see millions and millions are projected to die from the “gene therapy”.

Got logic ?
Got logic ?
3 months ago
Reply to  Got logic ?

We aren’t talking about traditional childhood vaccines that proffered actual immunity AND were used sparingly, easily exempted or given in a delayed schedule, with most boomers having gotten only 6 -10 injections whereas the current schedule is in excess of 70. (Many of which are dangerous and unnecessary)

We ARE discussing an entirely different “vaccine.” Which in fact merriam Webster actually redefined the word vaccine
to include these nasty mRNA injections at the bidding of the PTB. That alone a red flag.

CL
CL
3 months ago
Reply to  Got logic ?

Hmm…

Hayforker
Hayforker
3 months ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

Who would have thought the natural process was more effective?

I suppose the vast majority of the population, who have only the most remote connection to nature, would think the new human made process was superior.

Dave Kirby
Dave Kirby
3 months ago
Reply to  Hayforker

I am 76 years old. If you think I’m going to pass up the vaccine in hopes of contracting a mild case that pumps up my immune system without long haul or fatal outcomes. Not. Momma Kirby didn’t raise a fool. By the way if you guys/gals insist on linking to web sites without vetting those sites it isn’t convincing anyone of anything. In fact I don’t think anyone has changed their minds by anything posted here. When is the last time you argued with someone and either one of you just threw up their hands “you know I’ve changed my mind, your right”

local observer
local observer
3 months ago
Reply to  Dave Kirby

i wonder if they even understand what kind of viruses and tracking cookies they get from those site? i am no longer amazed by the level of stupidity we are seeing. they allow themselves to be a subject of Targeted Media which in a nutshell is the outcome of what we are seeing. even trump has concerns of the monsters they have made.

Willie Bray
3 months ago
Reply to  local observer

🕯🌳What you just describe local observer is the reason why I don’t believe in posting links. You don’t know what they have. 🖖🖖

UnflappableJack
UnflappableJack
3 months ago
Reply to  local observer

That’s rich, the left talking about “targeted media” when in fact it’s their daily bread.

Yeah,sure
Yeah,sure
3 months ago

Not as rich as people putting up links to neo Nazi, white Nationalist, Qanon conspiracy hosting sites as if they’re legit.

Formerly 4T
Formerly 4T
3 months ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Or following the dictates of eugenicists.

Telling.

Hayforker
Hayforker
3 months ago
Reply to  Dave Kirby

Fyi: I have never posted a link.

OldNerd
OldNerd
3 months ago
Reply to  Dave Kirby

Dave. I am 75. I got the JJ injection on 5/4. My wife got the vid on 8/2. We have 2 potential sources of the vid – 7/29 a Hot Yoga class or 7/30 the JJ injection. My wife was very sick for 12 days. I did the cooking and housework during that time. We sleep in the same bed. I did not get the vid. We will never know the source of my wife’s vid but this could be quite controversial based on the date of the JJ injection

Me
Me
3 months ago
Reply to  OldNerd

Who calls it “ the vid “
😆

Russian trolls maybe?
Russian trolls maybe?
3 months ago
Reply to  Me

Who else?

Patricia Kirby
Patricia Kirby
2 months ago
Reply to  Dave Kirby

Yep we Kirby’s arent that dumb to not play the better odds

Percy vs Goliath
Percy vs Goliath
3 months ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Natural Selection?

Auntie Ovine
Auntie Ovine
3 months ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

All you have to do is recover from the disease to enjoy it. Good lord, do anti vaxxers have one brain cell between all of them? First it was all a fake. Then it was all a plot. Then it was no one who has a healthy body gets sick. Now it’s run an IV into me for an hour because the “no one gets sick from the disease” now has done exactly what authorities said it would and scared me. And still not one of them will review their thinking to check for errors. “The process underpinning this is known to psychologists as discounting the future. Both animals and humans typically prefer a small reward now to a larger reward later, unless the future reward is very large. The ability to resist this temptation is dependent on the frontal pole (the bit of the brain right just above your eyes), one of whose functions is to allow us to inhibit the temptation to act without thinking of the consequences. It is this small brain region that allows (most of) us to politely leave the last slice of cake on the plate rather than wolf it down. In primates, the… Read more »

Alberta
Alberta
3 months ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

FDA “full authorization” of Pfizer covid vaccine BROKE THE LAW in numerous ways, agency now complicit in CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY 08/26/2021 / By Lance D Johnson The vaccine industry’s stranglehold over the US government has never been more blatant and unashamed. With the “full authorization” and licensure of Pfizer’s experimental series of mRNA inoculations, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) just subverted their own federal regulations and gold standards, while ignoring the vast amount of injuries reported after inoculation. The FDA is violating multiple principles of medical ethics and is complicit in crimes against humanity after approving Pfizer and BioNTech’s new drug, Comirnaty. For eight months, this so-called vaccine has ravaged the health of the nation, with 3,033 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis, of which 1,335 came directly from the Pfizer shot. A shocking 8,396 blood clotting disorders were reported, of which 3,586 reports were attributed to Pfizer. This drug company is also responsible for 44 percent of the 126,905 reports of anaphylaxis and over 200 cases of Guillain-Barré Syndrome. Pfizer is also responsible for 1,300 cases of Bell’s palsy. Tens of thousands of people have been sent to the emergency room because of these injections, with over 17,000 permanently… Read more »

Alberta
Alberta
3 months ago
Reply to  Alberta

Are Auntie Bloviate, Things that make you go hmmm, and Country Bumpkin one and the same?

A Curious writing ability shared among all three is to give a naught to appear stupidly in public.

Things that make you go hmm...
Things that make you go hmm...
3 months ago
Reply to  Alberta

Well, stupid is as stupid does.
Or doesn’t, as in this case.

And no, I am just one person thank you. Who TF does that anyway ⁉️ I don’t have time to even think about it. Obviously you do tho.

Alberta
Alberta
3 months ago

Thank you for confirming my observation regarding writing style.

The Ten Cent Army does in answer to your question.

Alberta
Alberta
3 months ago
Reply to  Alberta

Correction, due to inflation the cee cee pee now refers to it as the 50 cent Army.

Rampant use among liberal editors.

I like stars
I like stars
3 months ago
Reply to  Alberta

So Kym, does calling someone an “@&&hat” fit within your rules?

If so, would [email protected]&ch&bag also be okay?

Yeah,sure
Yeah,sure
3 months ago
Reply to  Alberta

None of this matters if you get Covid AND DIE.
Two more dead in my small town.
Unvaccinated.
Argue till the cows come home, it doesn’t mean jack fucking shit.
A mother is going to bury two daughters. And you’re here every day arguing .

seabreeze
seabreeze
3 months ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Condolences to the mother and family. In my opinion, it can be anyone who can catch this terrible virus. It’s a new strain, it’s spread from human to human. (Obviously) Some people can fight it with success and others cannot. Maybe the vaccine helps but it appears it can wear off and there seems to be other variables as well. (Some facts that seem established appear to be changing) I felt relief when a vaccine came out, yes, I was hesitant to take it and I am definitely not socializing… at all .. I am choosing to stay isolated and wait and see. Bare minimum errands. 2nd year homeschooling, inconvenient? Yes. Life changes, Yes. Not ideal, but so far so good. Today, this county is experiencing a large amount of infections. I had a feeling many people were going to get out and enjoy their summer and we would end up here. I don’t think it’s going to be easy to stop this virus. I have read articles that state it is the unvaccinated who are being hospitalized. (I can understand the frustration on both sides) I also read that a fully vaccinated was recorded as deceased from Covid, locally.… Read more »

Bushytails
Bushytails
3 months ago
Reply to  Alberta

Here’s some free advice: When you encounter any source that claims the number of deaths in VAERS is the number of deaths from covid vaccines, that source is unreliable and you should not waste time reading any further content from that source.

Guesst
Guesst
3 months ago
Reply to  Alberta

Excellent Alberta

I like stars
I like stars
3 months ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

If most folks could actually make themselves hold off on that last slice of cake we would likely have fewer covid deaths.

Thirdeye
Thirdeye
3 months ago
Reply to  ILoveplants
VMG
VMG
3 months ago

Don’t look around for someone to save you when the disease hits you or someone you care about…

Fact is, there may be a Monoclonal Antibody Treatment, but it will be a tough road to recovery…

If you are vaccinated, you will have a great chance of not being at all affected by COVID-19.

Fact.

Get your damn vaccine. Quit pretending that “natural immunity” or “horse wormer” are going to help you, down at St Joseph’s busted-flush Hospital…

Don’t be a fool. The vaccine is free and it’s so easy to do…

AND: People who post links but don’t understand the content of the link, are dangerous…

Got logic ?
Got logic ?
3 months ago
Reply to  VMG

I liked you better when you were “get the shot or not. ”

The hyper-focus of some on shoving this potentially dangerous garbage into the bloodstream of others is so embarrassing for our community.

No one knows the future!

And the claims about the “efficacy and safety” of these vaccines are backed up by only few short seasons of observation. The sacrosanct polio vax was in clinical animal and human studies for well over two decades!

I don’t think they’ve proven shit about these mRNA covid-19 “vaccines” yet . And if anything the results are
turning out to be quite contrary to their initial claims.

That’s news. And bad at that, for the vaxxed.

Auntie Ovine
Auntie Ovine
3 months ago
Reply to  Got logic ?

Imagine the nature of thinking that sees an infusion of antibodies created in a lab to save a person from a disease that wouldn’t have likely been a problem if they had the foresight to get vaccinated in the first place. And then rejoice over that stupidity because they see it as making vaccines useless.

I know. Anti vaxxers insist a vaccine is not a vaccine because it’s rushed and there are no long term studies. But swallow whole the idea that antibodies are antibodies even if they never existed any earlier than the start of vaccine development either and have even less scrutiny.

Oh well. I suppose I would be glad to have an effective treatment to should I get sick. And nothing fixes stupid anyway.

VMG
VMG
3 months ago
Reply to  Got logic ?

For you, GL, get the shot if you want to… Fact is, the costs of being “saved” by a broken hospital should be a concern too… I know that people on Part A and Part B Medicare will have some coverage, and folks on Medi-Cal will get some treatment, but dealing with a hospital, can get expensive. One thing Dr Hoffman never discusses is: How much does this cost? When you can get a vaccine for free, why would you want to risk high bills and possible death? Believe me: Paying medical bills is not for the faint of heart! So, get the damn vaccine, if you want to, but get real! IF you recover from serious COVID, you might not ever be the same… Hundreds of millions of people have been immunized. No matter how smart you think you are, this isn’t experimental, and, people who think (sort of like) you, are very foolish indeed… I’m with Dave Kirby, above! I don’t want to get sick, at all, if I can avoid it, and, as an Ancillary Healthcare Professional, I think YOU should do whatever you can do, to not get put into a poorly staffed provincial hospital, which… Read more »

Alberta
Alberta
3 months ago
Reply to  VMG

Define ‘free’ vaccine.

Who is buying these inoculations to distribute ‘for free’?

Where is their funding coming from? The Federal Govt? The cee cee pee?

Ultimately the American People pay for ‘free’, in addition to short and long term care for injuries caused by the ‘free’ shot.

Auntie Ovine
Auntie Ovine
3 months ago
Reply to  Alberta

The exact same entity buying the monoclonal antibodies you rejoice makes you free from vaccines.

I like stars
I like stars
3 months ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

And the same folks who sent funding to the Wuhan lab to get this ball rolling in the first place?

Yeah,sure
Yeah,sure
3 months ago
Reply to  Got logic ?

You under some impression that Covid isn’t potentially dangerous?
Do not take up a hospital bed if you contract Covid. Ride it out. Inform your people you will not need any medicine and not to call an ambulance.
Thank you.

Got logic ?
Got logic ?
3 months ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Look carefully at the Covid dashboard for Humboldt.

Death rate is PEGGED at the bottom.

And the vast majority of serious illness hospitalizations are people over 70.

So, for the majority of the population, especially young adults and children the risk is minimal, and in the view of many that risk is best managed by a hygienic lifestyle and natural aggressive early treatment if faced with infection.

My momma raised me to watch my BMI, Dave K.

The bottom line is that medical system has taken a uni-dimensional way of treating patients— relying on pharmaceutical companies, whose sole endeavour is to sell shares and satisfy shareholders.

They cannot patent any naturally occurring substances, which means we have given these companies complete control over our healthcare solutions.

Auntie Ovine
Auntie Ovine
3 months ago
Reply to  Got logic ?

Anti vaxxer sites are rife with all sorts of natural remedies, of dubious quality and effectiveness, that are sold at a huge profit. Unresearched, untested and unquestioned by users.

“We learned today that Mercola has begun complying with the FDA’s instructions to remove materials from his website making claims that certain supplements Mercola sells mitigate, prevent, treat, diagnose, or cure COVID-19.

Mercola’s announcement of the changes took the form of a disjointed blog post that variously blames CSPI, Bill Gates and other unspecified billionaires, Baylor University’s Dr. Peter Hotez, “pharma-funded legislators,” and others for his legal problems. Even in retreating from the long arm of the law, Mercola obfuscates the reason that he had to remove these materials. That reason is that his materials made unlawful claims, thereby making the supplements either unapproved new drugs or misbranded drugs.”

https://www.cspinet.org/news/supplement-seller-mercola-comply-fda-instructions-stop-marketing-covid-19-cures-20210504

Thirdeye
Thirdeye
3 months ago
Reply to  Got logic ?

“And the vast majority of serious illness hospitalizations are people over 70.”

Wrong. 104 hospitalizations aged 70+, 205 hospitalizations aged 10-69, as of 8/27. Do you even know how to add numbers?

Got logic ?
Got logic ?
3 months ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

Lol

A DISPROPORTIONATE vast majority. Over twice the rate in fact.

Age 65+ is just 18% of Humboldt county population (135,000)

So rounding for simplicity sake. , 100 hospitalization came from 20% of the population . Which is a rate of 400 per 100,000 . Which is 004%, or 1 out of every 250 people.

And conversely 200 hospitalizations came from 80% of the population. Which is about 200 per 100,000 or .0018% or only 1/540 were hospitalized.

Blondie
Blondie
3 months ago
Reply to  Got logic ?

Here’s some vaccine history.
CNN article from 2020.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/01/health/eua-coronavirus-vaccine-history/index.html

Susan Nolan
Susan Nolan
3 months ago
Reply to  VMG

Nice thorough reporting, Ryan. Thank you.

Mr and Mrs
3 months ago
Reply to  VMG

Ok im wearing only bandanna in public from now on. Definitely fondle all the fruit( not that jabbers eat fruit) maybe the donut section. Jk I’ll still try to follow guidelines because I know you obviously can’t handle the stress will probably kill you on top of the flu. BUT I know you jabberquats wanna force needles in our arms. All from your keyboards. You call yourself liberals( I left about 1.5 years ago voted bernie) you all folded to big pharma like the week legged free spirited posers you are. You can try but gonna have to put in real work so not worried about it. Jah dontt tap!! Don’t worry my little sistren, bredren and theydren you’ll be remembered for your actions. Great job in Middle East btw. Obama dropped more bombs then both Republicans and deported as well. Trump was a shit show theatre who I hated in the beginning but Joe is really turning into blow it joe. Funny how libs try to defend any criticism. I’m Apolitical so can’t say some Trump shit to me. Ps thsnkyou anti vaxers for posting good info so I can educate snd share for our sistren and brethren. Bless… Read more »

Yeah,sure
Yeah,sure
3 months ago
Reply to  Mr and Mrs

Sad, just sad.

Angela Robinson
Angela Robinson
3 months ago
Reply to  Mr and Mrs

“not that jabbers eat fruit”

Stopped reading there, as I have just finished pitting a bunch of cherries and am getting a kick out of your tirade, as much as I read.

And am cooking the salmon carcass of the fish my husband caught from the river (in Oregon) to make fish stock. But mostly I’m enjoying the beautiful fresh cherries I’m putting up (if they make it that far…we jabbers like our fruit).

VMG
VMG
3 months ago
Reply to  Mr and Mrs

Whatever this person is on, I think I want some…

Jim’s Guest Is Someone Else’s Wife
Jim’s Guest Is Someone Else’s Wife
3 months ago
Reply to  VMG

Each positive case gets us that much closer to herd immunity.

Fact.

Auntie Ovine
Auntie Ovine
3 months ago

And each positive case comes with a risk of death and disability. That’s a fact too. Besides immunity, natural or vaccinated, doesn’t last indefinitely for SARS-COV-2.

rollin
rollin
3 months ago

Any chance the vaccine cult will now concede that what has been the rule throughout history still applies( natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity)?

Nope. That is why it is a cult.

fanatic
[fəˈnadik]
NOUN
a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, especially for an extreme religious or political cause.
zerohedge.com/covid-19/ends-debate-israeli-study-shows-natural-immunity-13x-more-effective-vaccines-stopping

VMG
VMG
3 months ago
Reply to  rollin

Fool: a person who acts unwisely or imprudently; a silly person.

Why be foolish, why continue to say silly stuff like this?

Get your vaccine now.

You are the fanatic, and a very foolish one at that…

Guest
Guest
3 months ago
Reply to  VMG

Wannabe:

1. : a person who wants or aspires to be someone or something else or who tries to look or act like someone else.

2. : something ( such as a company, city, or product) intended to rival another of its kind that has been successful

ESPECIALLY : one for which hopes have failed or are likely to fail

VMG
VMG
3 months ago
Reply to  Guest

But do they eat fruit?

Guest
Guest
3 months ago
Reply to  VMG

But, what springs forth?
Sadly, only sour grapes.

VMG
VMG
3 months ago
Reply to  Guest

Jah dontt tap… Bless up!

Jabbers might eat fruit…

**Best comment in some time**

Joe
Joe
3 months ago
Reply to  VMG

Spam

Yeah,sure
Yeah,sure
3 months ago
Reply to  Joe

It’s good fried with hash browns and over easy eggs.

Formerly 4T
Formerly 4T
3 months ago
Reply to  rollin

You knew that was comin’, rollin.

Proving you correct. 😆

Auntie Ovine
Auntie Ovine
3 months ago
Reply to  Formerly 4T

If you announce a constant string of bad events, some are going to happen. Has nothing to do with perspicacity and everything to do with coincidence.

Formerly 4T
Formerly 4T
3 months ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

LOTS of “coincidences” in this game eh?

Maybe we should keep a running tab.

Bushytails
Bushytails
3 months ago
Reply to  rollin

Natural immunity is ZERO PERCENT EFFECTIVE the first time. ZERO. Any vaccine of any effectiveness is more effective than zero. I don’t know why this is a difficult concept for some to grasp.

Me
Me
3 months ago
Reply to  Bushytails

I think i understand what you’re trying to say but what you’re actually saying is 100% false.
If that were true everyone who got covid would be dead

Bushytails
Bushytails
3 months ago
Reply to  Me

People don’t seem to understand that acquired immunity isn’t some magic thing you can get because you want it – it’s the result of being sick, and you only get it after recovering from being sick. You don’t have it initially. People say “natural immunity is more effective than the vaccine, so the vaccine doesn’t do anything!” like that’s somehow a logical construction. Or they act like somehow getting the vaccine will prevent them from acquiring immunity if they get infected anyway.

Even a 1% effective vaccine will reduce cases, deaths, etc compared to “natural immunity”, which is doing nothing at all and waiting to get sick.

spam
spam
3 months ago
Reply to  Bushytails

And that ‘natural’ immunity wanes just as vax effectiveness does.
No such thing as herd immunity for a respiratory virus.

I like stars
I like stars
3 months ago
Reply to  spam

Looks like natural immunity may be significantly more beneficial than the artificial kind. Imagine that.

https://fortune.com/2021/08/27/covid-natural-immunity-vaccine-delta-variant-pfizer-protection/

Bushytails
Bushytails
3 months ago
Reply to  I like stars

And here you go and demonstrate the incorrect reasoning I just talked about…

I like stars
I like stars
3 months ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Plenty of folks already fought covid naturally before vaccination was even an option. You may discount that, but don’t expect others to.

Formerly 4T
Formerly 4T
3 months ago
Reply to  I like stars

👍

rollin
rollin
3 months ago
Reply to  Bushytails

“Natural immunity is ZERO PERCENT EFFECTIVE the first time”

Oh really thanks. Is that why only one half of one half of one percent of people who contract Covid die? I know my odds with Covid.

I do not know my odds with the vax.

Given that you think only 18 people have died from the vax and 35 cycles on a PCR test is reliable (even Fausti denies that), nothing you say is credible.

Fausti blasting PCR tests:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Vy6fgaBPE&t=241s

Bushytails
Bushytails
3 months ago
Reply to  rollin

Fauci isn’t saying what you are claiming he said. For one, he’s not blasting PCR tests in any way. Two, he’s saying that a cycle count over 35 likely means the person isn’t infectious to others, not that they aren’t or weren’t infected. Where do you think the dead nucleotides he’s talking about come from? Being infected! The accuracy of PCR tests has been exceptionally well proven at this point, and any theorizing to the contrary had better have a very well conducted study attached to it, or such arguments can be immediately dismissed.

Without vaccination, you are highly likely to be infected with covid if exposed to it. For example, on the first cruise ship with a big outbreak, more than 20% of people on board got infected, even though it was quickly recognized there was a problem and passengers isolated – and that was before delta came along. If you get vaccinated, your chances of being infected drop by about 80% for delta, 95% for earlier strains. If you don’t get vaccinated, your chances of being infected drop by 0%, because you didn’t do anything, just decided to wait until you get sick.

Formerly 4T
Formerly 4T
3 months ago
Reply to  Bushytails

I’d drop the “exceptionally well proven” thingy Bushy.

That dog don’t hunt.

Thirdeye
Thirdeye
3 months ago
Reply to  rollin

Zerohedge. Next!

Alberta
Alberta
3 months ago

Thank you for this article.

Thirdeye
Thirdeye
3 months ago

Wrong.

From iloveplants’ link:

“Giving a single shot of the vaccine to those who had been previously infected also appeared to boost their protection.”

rick l wold
rick l wold
3 months ago

I agree.

Ice
Ice
3 months ago

No one has natural immunity to a brand new virus.

DisinterestedObserver
DisinterestedObserver
3 months ago
Thirdeye
Thirdeye
3 months ago

Appeal to authority with reference to zerohedge and social media videos? Gimme a break!

Someone
Someone
3 months ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

These are real studies that have been conducted by highly respected medical institutes. If you dont like the links, it takes about 5 seconds to look up the actual studies, and see that they are true. These same institutes have been providing the world with info throughout the entire pandemic. But now that they are saying things that contradict media, they are being ignored??? If you want to encourage people to listen to the pros, that also includes heeding info that isnt very reassuring.

Lynn H
Lynn H
3 months ago
Reply to  Someone

Lazy. If you claim actual studies then you need to link to those studies. Them’s the rules in an intelligent discussion.

1. I doubt you can read the plain English summaries in those studies.

2. I’d really like to see you find studies “conducted by highly respected medical institutes” that support your views *in context*.

There’s a little bit of crappy research out there. Such as anti-viral properties of Urushiol, the chemical found in poison oak. I did find one study on that which I won’t link to here because it’s stupid. Although, if anyone really really feels the need to roll around naked in poison oak for a half hour in the belief it will prevent covid I’m not going to be the one to stop them.

Ivermectin is less toxic and safer than that. It may or may not not do any good, probably not, but at least it probably won’t kill you or make you wish you were dead. But the jab definitely helps before you do get covid. Definitely.

Formerly 4T
Formerly 4T
3 months ago
Reply to  Lynn H

“Definitely”?

Plenty of studies showing Iver is a definitely.

Not so much from the jab, trials for which are still ongoing. Maybe save your “definitely” for 2023?

“Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin.”

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/06000/review_of_the_emerging_evidence_demonstrating_the.4.aspx

Just one of many.

Last edited 3 months ago by Formerly 4T
Ullr Rover
Ullr Rover
3 months ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

Zerohedge.com is a great site… but, like any news site, vet the sources. They’ll post stuff that other MSM sites will post 6 months later.

https://unherd.com/thepost/bombshell-study-finds-natural-immunity-superior-to-vaccination/

Lynn H
Lynn H
3 months ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

That’s not a study, it’s a biased article about a study, but I do agree with it. Natural immunity is probably better than immunity you get from the shot. However, I can attest to the experience of getting it before getting a shot for it. I’m pretty sure I got it in Jan 2020 before it was on the radar. Lost sense of smell and extremely exhausted for at least 1 1/2 months. I thought I would die. The side effects of getting the virus for the first time can be horrible. I still get winded very easily and can’t do much. I also got it again 6 months after that- tested pos and it was very mild. I got the shot later, when it was available and I think still got the virus again 6 months later. It was VERY mild then. I did not get tested. Unless you know for sure that you have already gotten the virus then it is a lot safer to just get the jab. And even if you have had it before then getting the vaccine is well worth considering. I had no problems with it- just felt a little under the weather… Read more »

Auntie Ovine
Auntie Ovine
3 months ago

How ridiculous the human being is. Won’t get a vaccine that creates the individual’s own antibodies before getting sick because they worry the side effects of a commercial product burdened with a conspiracy network spreading fear but for which there is lots of information to the contrary but will , when made fearful enough by getting as sick as they were told was likely, rush to get a commercially made product without the burden of a conspiracy fear mongering network but with only the sales brochures for information. Is it too late to invest in the company that makes regeneron?

izzy
izzy
3 months ago

Real science is starting to catch up with all the real-world developments.
It took a little time, as things have all been so rushed.
You know, “warp speed”.
The picture is not pretty.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

https://www.scivisionpub.com/pdfs/us-covid19-vaccines-proven-to-cause-more-harm-than-good-based-on-pivotal-clinical-trial-data-analyzed-using-the-proper-scientific–1811.pdf

Auntie Ovine
Auntie Ovine
3 months ago
Reply to  izzy

Two anti vaxxer articles does not science make. Especially when from pay for publishing sites. Classen has blamed all vaccination for everything from diabetes to alzheimers.

Bushytails
Bushytails
3 months ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

The first one is reasonable science, I believe – it shows waning vaccine immunity against delta, which seems to be confirmed, and also finds that against delta, acquired immunity seems to fairly rapidly wane too. It concludes that being vaccinated offers benefits even for people previously infected, which has been shown elsewhere.

The second one, though… LOL. It’s pure bullshit formatted to look like a scientific study.

Obliviously
Obliviously
3 months ago

Dr Hoffman, how is Remdesivir working out?

AA
AA
3 months ago

That’s nice that treatment’s available. Even the vaxxed that get covid could benefit from that.

Condolences to the covid positive vaxxed person that passed locally yesterday.

May they Rest In Peace.

fishkiller
fishkiller
3 months ago
Reply to  AA

RIP to the 41 year old, healthy, longtime clerk at “corners of the mouth” health food store in Mendocino. Died last week ……2 days after jab.

sad

AA
AA
3 months ago
Reply to  fishkiller

Sad.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
3 months ago
Reply to  AA

Congestive heart failure isn’t considered “healthy”. Conventional medical advice is for CHF patients to get vaccinated early.

rollin
rollin
3 months ago

“Conventional medical advice is for CHF patients to get vaccinated early.”

Conventional medical advise once consisted of using cocaine and leeches. Conventional science once believed the sun revolved around the earth. Conventional medical advice once dismissed masks as effective against SARS, then it didn’t, then it did.

Auntie Ovine
Auntie Ovine
3 months ago
Reply to  rollin

Reading a history of science would be enlightening for you. Ancient Greeks and subsequently Romans were debating whether the Earth moved around the Sun or visa versa. They just had no way of demonstrating it. This left those who didn’t bother with details choosing to believe only what their eyes saw. It wasn’t scientists who were unaware of the issue but non scientists who were unaware the issue existed at all. In other words, science learns and changes as it learns. It’s the unaware who consider that a fault and stick to what they “know.” Like anti vaxxers.

AA
AA
3 months ago

Sad, the Mendocino person died, mr. squirrel.

May he Rest In Peace.

Angela Robinson
Angela Robinson
3 months ago
Reply to  fishkiller

From the FB page of Corners of the Mouth:

“SAD NEWS! Our dear friend and co worker Dan Bergeson passed away on August 16th. According to the coroner’s report “Cause of death is congestive heart failure due to hypertensive cardiovascular disease”. Please refute rumors that he died of COVID or the COVID vaccine.
Dan was a beloved and integral part of Corners and our community. He will be sorely missed.”

rollin
rollin
3 months ago

“Please refute rumors that he died of COVID or the COVID vaccine.”

Why is it not possible possible that his hypertension was due to the vaccine? He was 41! How would the coroner be able to distinguish? He likely wouldn’t. If he were my kin I would desperately want to know.

Angela Robinson
Angela Robinson
3 months ago
Reply to  rollin

How would the coroner know? Enlarged heart, narrowed arteries, evidence of long term damage, off the top of my head.

The coroner would certainly know more than the rumor mill you were repeating.

People do die young from heart disease or hypertension. It isn’t just an old person’s disease. It is not as frequent in young people, about 1 in 8.

rollin
rollin
3 months ago

“Enlarged heart, narrowed arteries, evidence of long term damage, off the top of my head.”

That is evidence of congestive heart failure. It DOES NOT eliminate the possibility of hypertension due to the vaccine facillitating it.

“The coroner would certainly know more than the rumor mill you were repeating.”

I have repeated nothing. I have simply stated that the possibility of hypertension, due to the shot, which ultimately leads to a heart attack, is possible. It may be indistinguishable to a coroner. An enlarged heart IS, afterall, one of the potential side effects of the vaccine.

Lynn H
Lynn H
3 months ago
Reply to  rollin

The mechanism that causes blot clotting (with severely hypertensive people especially) is the same with the vaccine as it is with Covid. HOWEVER it is much milder and FAR less common with the vaccine.

The dude would be just as dead if he had caught covid. (RIP dude, no offense)

AND in fact he probably did catch covid. The shot isn’t effective till 2 weeks after getting it (JJ) or after getting both (M or P). Who knows? He could have felt sick and decided to go get the shot last minute in the hopes it would help. It does not help at all right when one is sick..

Blondie
Blondie
3 months ago
Reply to  fishkiller

That is very sad.

According to the CDC he/she will be counted as unvaccinated.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html

Thirdeye
Thirdeye
3 months ago
Reply to  fishkiller

Not healthy. Stop making stuff up.

Guest
Guest
3 months ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

Neither confirmed, or denied.

It’s possible.

If true it does seem like CHF would contraindicate a Covid19 vaccine.

If it was mandated, or an employer demand, or peer pressure, that convinced him to vaccinate against his will, or some jab that was beyond it’s shelf life, nice going, that was a potential killer.

May he rest in peace.

Formerly 4T
Formerly 4T
3 months ago

Another very good article by Peter Doshi, senior editor at BMJ:

“Does the FDA think these data justify the first full approval of a covid-19 vaccine?”

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/08/23/does-the-fda-think-these-data-justify-the-first-full-approval-of-a-covid-19-vaccine/

Steve Lee
Steve Lee
3 months ago

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-fda-disseminates-dangerous-and-libelous-misinformation-against-lifesaving-covid-treatment
We have been lied to from the get go from point of origin to simple rapid testing to distribution of N95 respirators to effective treatments. These so called vaccines ( I promote REAL vaccines not experimental gene therapy which are not sterilizing vaccines ) besides having dangerous side effects will have their efficacy constantly diminish and new variants over time will learn to evade and perhaps become more deadly in vaccinated humans because of limited resistance. Think of anti bacterial resistance. There are many treatments available today to keep you out of the hospital. And once you have had Covid, YES you have many times more immune protection than these so called vaccines. You are being conned
once again by big Pharma

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
3 months ago

*arsenal

Kym Kemp
Admin
Kym Kemp (@kymk)
3 months ago

Fixed.

Guest
Guest
3 months ago

Kym, As they relate to Covid19… What is Covid19 related CVT? What is Post Vaccination CVT?, and What is VITT? ( Vaccine-induced Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia) How do they compare? What is the incidence of each? (4perM doses is a number you’ve mentioned for Vaccine related CVT), (39perM, per confirmed case, you’ve mentioned for Covid19). What are their respective mortality and morbidity rates. (Death or Dependency for Activities of Daily Living). (Post Vaccination CVT, 16% mortality and morbidity) (VITT, 47% mortality and morbidity) How many Americans does that represent? (1,079) Is the likely number of Vaccine Related CVT, (Cerebral Venous Thrombosis), greater than, or less than, the likely number of Covid19 related CVT? Hints: 10.25 times the “likelihood” of CVT from Covid19 “PER CASE”, compared to the likelihood of CVT from Moderna, or Pfizer Vaccination, 7.8 times for (J&J), “PER DOSE”. However, Currently there are 11.16 times as many doses administered as positive Covid19 cases. This statistically results in 14.4% more CVT events attributable to vaccination, than CVT events attributable to Covid19, by the statistics you have linked to and referenced as evidence from your trusted sources. I am not questioning your sources. I am hoping you might see that by combining… Read more »

Guest
Guest
3 months ago
Reply to  Guest

Kym,
I guess it wasn’t worth consideration.

I was really hoping you would consider it.

That’s a lot of casualties to simply brush aside after calling attention to them.
Is there 4 CVT events per million vaccine injections like you said, or not?

That equals 1,712 CVT events, right?

And the vaccine CVT mortality rate is what % ? There’s a mortality rate, right?

So, how many that got CVT died? None?

How many serious disabilities?

My estimate, using confirmed Information for deaths and serious disabilities combined, for vaccine related CVT mortality and morbidity of 63% is 1,079 as of 8/23/2021.

Or did the 1,712 CVT sufferers simply all live happily ever after, except for the 3 ?

Too meandering?

Unsubstantiated?

rollin
rollin
3 months ago
Reply to  Guest

“I guess it wasn’t worth consideration.”

Very compelling. And that’s just CVT you’re talking about. There may be other serious problems associated with this vaccine and I do not see a vigorous effort to find out. Sadly, it’s not surprising you got ZERO response from anyone. That’s usually indicitive of something unnasailable.

Guest
Guest
3 months ago
Reply to  rollin

Thank you Rollin, It took a bit of effort. The acknowledgement is encouraging. I appreciate it. It was Kym’s statement on the incidence of CVT, Covid19 versus vaccination, that got me thinking about it in the first place, and how even her preferred links and assertions can sometimes neutralize each other. If the contradiction comes to light, it is ignored. I was really hoping she would understand, and not be so dead set onto that to which she holds so firmly, yet unreasonably. She’s a tough sell. But she is totally entitled to that, as are we all. And yes, this was just about CVT. Only one potential side effect of many. Yet if one side effect that is so serious and so obvious, even admitted too, still gets ignored so completely, the likelihood any other side effect being given proper consideration is nil. I tried. My entreaty has fallen upon deaf ears it seems. I am relieved someone found it compelling, rollin. I edited out my final word in my comment above, after “Unsubstantiated?”, I had concluded with, “Undisputable?”, but deleted it, as I felt it may have been too strong. You conclude with, “Unassailable”. Yes, that is what… Read more »

Blondie
Blondie
3 months ago

Tokyo’s Medical Assoc. Chairman holds live press conference recommending #ivermectin to all doctors, for all Covid patients.

Japan’s government is one of the most conservative and cautious in the world. Data is clear. Huge news.

https://t.co/rpuD8mSfJL https://t.co/B50sgryUDM https://twitter.com/brenontheroad/status/1429624844379824129?s=20 

https://www.nature.com/articles/ja201711

Alberta
Alberta
3 months ago
Reply to  Blondie

Thank you for this news.

Legallettuce
Legallettuce
3 months ago
Reply to  Alberta
Thirdeye
Thirdeye
3 months ago
Reply to  Blondie

Unsubstantiated claim unless you can provide a link that a) actually works and b) goes to a reliable source, i.e. not someone blathering on Twitter or Facebook. The 2017 article does not address Ivermectin and COVID.

fail

Yeah,sure
Yeah,sure
3 months ago
Reply to  Blondie

You think this meme proves something?

Bushytails
Bushytails
3 months ago
Reply to  Blondie

So, I have to ask… Why do you prefer a drug treatment, a synthetic compound developed by big pharma, to a vaccine, a synthetic compound developed by big pharma? If you don’t like big pharma and don’t trust them or the government, why are you picking one treatment as good and another as bad? If there’s something nefarious being put into treatments by big pharma, the government, bill gates, jews, or reptilians, why wouldn’t they put it in your preferred treatment too? And why would you want a treatment that might treat you once you’re sick over one that keeps you from getting sick in the first place? Or, if you think it’ll prevent you from getting sick, that you’ll have to take constantly, rather than once or twice a year at worst?

Ice
Ice
3 months ago
Reply to  Blondie

Blondie: First link got taken down as false, second link is from 2017 so isn’t about it’s use on covid virus.

2 strikes, try again.

Formerly 4T
Formerly 4T
3 months ago
Reply to  Ice

I know…just a u tube vid. Must be bs.

But I think what is said is the original reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkWOpFk1GGk

Certainly a recommendation for Iver as opposed to the contaminated vials.

Legallettuce
Legallettuce
3 months ago
Reply to  Blondie

JFK will rise again riding a T-Rex through Bethlehem or is it Bohemia, maybe it’s Jesus? Anyway, the light, the light, pizza anyone?

Lynn H
Lynn H
3 months ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

o.O don’t mention the pizza. It’ll put them in a tizzy.

Yeah,sure
Yeah,sure
3 months ago
Reply to  Blondie

Gab is an American alt-tech social networking service known for its far right user base. Widely described as a haven for extremists including Neo Nazis, white supremacy, white Nationalists, the altright, Qanon conspiracy theorists etc etc.
Get outa here with this shit.

Yeah,sure
Yeah,sure
3 months ago
Reply to  Blondie

Tell us your into Neo Nazis, White Supremacy, Qanon etc. without telling us your into Neo Nazis , White Supremacy, Qanon etc.
Lol lol lol.

Percy Vs Goliath
Percy Vs Goliath
3 months ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Its important to keep asking questions. There’s a long history of corruption and malfeasance at the top. If you want respect, you need to respect that some people have different experiences with trust but verify.

Just ask those minorities that have been persecuted for centuries for having a different belief system.

Hinthe hint

Yeah,sure
Yeah,sure
3 months ago

Why would you even be on that site? Doing “ research”??
Lol lol lol

Specialist
Specialist
3 months ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Kym ..

It looks like YEAH SURE is using cringey TikTok jokes to hide the fact that he is calling another poster (Blondie) a neo-nazi and white supremacist. These thug posters make civil discussion impossible.

A clear violation here. Why do you permit this?
Please clarify Kym!

Yeah Sure does not know who Blondie is so it must be some type of projection.

Legallettuce
Legallettuce
3 months ago
Reply to  Blondie
Blondie
Blondie
3 months ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/13/business/media/snopes-plagiarism-David-Mikkelson.html

Yeh Legal Lettuce.
NOBODY uses Snopes to fact check.
They were always sketchy and now even worse.

Alberta
Alberta
3 months ago
Reply to  Blondie

Blondie.
You may want to check out
project apario.

Alberta
Alberta
3 months ago
Reply to  Alberta

Project Apario is an “Open Source Intelligence” (OSINT) research utility for declassified government records.

Thirdeye
Thirdeye
3 months ago
Reply to  Blondie

Off-topic fodder for conspiracy theorists. Why am I not surprised?

Yeah,sure
Yeah,sure
3 months ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

This is their new gathering place.
Loco isn’t hosting them any more.
They’re here to see what the threshold is in Kyms tolerance.

Auntie Ovine
Auntie Ovine
3 months ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

I hate to say it but you are right. Maybe Kym’s new commenting software will at least limit the number of times the same garbage is repeated.

Yeah,sure
Yeah,sure
3 months ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

I know we’ve had our disagreements but I’m with you 100% on the vaccine.

Specialist
Specialist
3 months ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

Yeah sure and buddies. Self designated Gate Keepers

Auntie Ovine
Auntie Ovine
3 months ago
Reply to  Specialist

Anti vaxxers- self appointed misinformation echo chambers.

Yeah,sure
Yeah,sure
3 months ago
Reply to  Blondie

You do know that you are posting links to shit that most of us won’t click on, right? Who are you posting this stuff for, a bunch of sock puppets? The two person anti vaxer clique that tries to dominate these threads? What’s the point?

Done with LoCo
Done with LoCo
3 months ago

This article is in direct conflict with the narrative that Hank Sims is pushing.

AA
AA
3 months ago
Reply to  Done with LoCo

Done, they did publish an article about somebody fully vaxxed that passed with covid, at the local hospital, the other day, though.

There haven’t been any reports of vaxxed people in the local hospital with covid for the past 2 weeks, so how did that happen?

Nice that this treatment is available.

Guest
Guest
3 months ago
Reply to  AA

Good question AA, good question.

Angela Robinson
Angela Robinson
3 months ago

So you are just here to spam the place up? Alrighty then.

Specialist
Specialist
3 months ago

No one is serious but yourself Angela?

Gatekeeper

Angela Robinson
Angela Robinson
3 months ago
Reply to  Specialist

Gatekeeper? No.

Just sick of the tinfoil, especially when they declare they won’t respond. That IS spam.

But while I’m here:

https://news.yahoo.com/anti-covid-tyranny-campaigner-hospital-154849186.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Blondie
Blondie
3 months ago

Angela,
You may have all the time in the world to bicker with people on the internetn, but I do not. And I especially don’t engage with the rude, insulting, gamers here who post non-stop, and are insincere about any desire for real discussion.

Not spam. Just a person with a mind and a life.

Formerly 4T
Formerly 4T
3 months ago
Reply to  Blondie

Right-on Blondie. 👍

As soon as “tinfoil” is mentioned, we know where the mind-set originates.

Blondie
Blondie
3 months ago

An enjoyable talk betwern intelligent beings.

An interesting listen.

https://youtu.be/UerO8ZgA6nI

Dear trolls, don’t bother discounting me or my sources. I do not care and do not respond.

Humans are smarter than you take them for

Legallettuce
Legallettuce
3 months ago
Reply to  Blondie

lol, right, why should you respond to proof just makes reality seem real. I like the part where you say “Humans are smarter than you take them for” while promoting the wonder drug for COVID which is worm medication for animals.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
3 months ago

Six poor departed Humboldt souls today. How many do you think were unvaccinated?

Bushytails
Bushytails
3 months ago

Likely six, both statistically, and because they probably would have mentioned it, just like how they clearly mentioned the one death so far that was vaccinated.

cmon man get real
cmon man get real
3 months ago
Reply to  Bushytails

The head of the Japanese Medical Association recommended today that all doctors in Japan take Ivermectin to prevent and squash the wuhan bioweapon. I suggest going with the Japanese at this point. And no, not sorry, smart societies learn from their mistakes.

Angela Robinson
Angela Robinson
3 months ago

I went through 12 (twelve pages) of Google, with all weird sites (like JewWorldOrder) all parroting each other. On the 12th page I found something similar, but dated August 16th from an anti-Covid remediation site.

I checked for Japanese online news sources (in English) and can’t find any. Well not on the 12 pages I waded through.

It is “interesting” that this hit all of a sudden all over the psuedosphere today. When as I said, there was an article from 11 days ago saying such.

https://www.covidstrategies.org/chairman-of-tokyo-metropolitan-medical-association-declares-during-surge-time-for-ivermectin-is-now/

edit: I do have to correct that. A few of the suspect websites (12 pages worth) did mention it over a week ago, on August 19.

Can you direct me to an actual Japanese news site that announces this?

cmon man get real
cmon man get real
3 months ago

Nope. The sources u seek are right there on the net, much like the sewage canals in Kabul. Go look, u may get enlightened if you can see,. This is awhy sushi makes sense in the greater universe, much like goats who have extremely freaky devil eyes.

Angela Robinson
Angela Robinson
3 months ago

Dude (dudette?), it was you who said it was announced today, when I pointed out it was already out there 11 days ago. Maybe it “being out there” is misleading you. You might think about that.

And yeah, I didn’t think you’d be able to find a primary source.

Formerly 4T
Formerly 4T
3 months ago

Is August outdated for you?

Everything has since changed?

Auntie Ovine
Auntie Ovine
3 months ago

Well apparently he did say it would be reasonable to let people take it. “Regarding the antiparasitic drug “ivermectin”, it shows the number of infections and deaths of the new corona in a country that is prophylactically administered for another disease in Africa. It is necessary to thoroughly study the clinical trial, but it seems that we are at the stage where it is okay to have the patient give an informed outlet and get permission to use it. ”
https://www.tokyo-np.co.jp/article/123988

That was not an endorsement but he did say that people should be given prescriptions. At this point, if people are going to use it anyway, it is probably better to let people take at least the human form rather than livestock drugs.

Angela Robinson
Angela Robinson
3 months ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Thank you!

Kym Kemp
Admin
Kym Kemp (@kymk)
3 months ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

C’mon Man, To be clear, that is not the head of the Japanese Medical Association.

“Dr. Haruo Ozaki may be the Chairman of the Tokyo Medical Association, but he can only make suggestions. He is not the Japanese Health Ministry and cannot approve ivermectin for use against COVID-19. … As of 27 August 2021, Japan still does NOT allow Ivermectin to be used to treat or prevent COVID-19.
In their July 2021 edition of COVID-19 treatment guidelines, Ivermectin is still listed in the category of drugs whose “efficacy and safety have not been established“.” https://www.techarp.com/science/japan-ivermectin-covid-19/

Auntie Ovine
Auntie Ovine
3 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

As I mentioned somewhere else, the Japanese medical field has a philosophy of giving way to patient’s requests because they feel that opposing them makes the patient stressed and negatively effect their health. Japanese doctors routinely prescribe useless drugs if they feel the patient believes in them. . So, especial since ivermectin was a Japanese discovery, if a patient really wants it, the doctor will prescribe it to avoid conflict. However that does not mean that medical professionals believe it is efficacious. They just prescribe it for accepted uses, not covid.

Besides no amount of reason slows down the anti vaxxer misinformation campaign. If real news is wanted, you have to leave Google or Bing and use a search engine that will not have the first hundred hits being all the inbred anti vaxxer/ conspiracy sites echoing the exact same trash. Why Google hasn’t a better algorithm is really strange but you’ll have wade through pages of the same crap and try various phrasing to get away from it.

Thirdeye
Thirdeye
3 months ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Hilarious how the same people who ragged on the Pfizer vaccine for not having standard FDA approval are the same ones who tout Ivermectin, which is much further from having FDA approval as an antiviral treatment.

If anyone thinks use of a livestock drug works out well for humans, they should remember when the horse tranquilizer PCP was used by humans.

Auntie Ovine
Auntie Ovine
3 months ago

“Once you get the monoclonal antibody that doesn’t mean that you can stop wearing your mask, physically distancing, washing your hand it’s not going to give you protection from getting sick again,” said Patel.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/can-monoclonal-antibody-therapy-protect-you-from-covid-19/ar-BB1cKPI7

HotCoffee
HotCoffee
3 months ago

snip Ivermectin studies and statistics Twenty countries are using Ivermectin to treat Covid-19. They include Mexico, Guatemala, Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Portugal, Nigeria, and Egypt. In South Africa doctors are allowed to prescribe Ivermectin, but it is not being rolled out everywhere and in hospitals and clinics. According to Jackie Stone, a doctor in Zimbabwe, since January – when Ivermectin began to be used – it has cut COVID hospital admissions and deaths over 70%. “The death rate rose sharply in January and peaked on the 25th at 70 deaths per day. Official authorisation for the use of Ivermectin was granted on 26th January. Just one month later, on 26th February, the COVID death rate had fallen to zero”. A meta-analysis gold standard review of 24 randomised trials conducted in 15 countries among more than 3400 people worldwide of clinical trials – just released by the BIRD group in the UK – showed that deaths are dramatically reduced when Ivermectin is administered. Published in the American Journal of Therapeutics the mos