Tax Unpermitted Marijuana, Suggests Letter to the Editor
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What If We Taxed Unpermitted Farms?
Humboldt County released a report in February of this year that shows the state of the County’s finances.Why is this interesting?
The report forecasts the next seven fiscal years for the county, which is projected to sink into an increasingly negative fund balance through 2023. Not just negative, but increasingly negative.
This should come as no surprise to anybody.
Humboldt County, via clumsy permitting and overzealous law enforcement, has systematically eradicated the bulk of its revenue. Fiona Ma, California’s treasurer, estimated Humboldt County would lose $6 billion in revenue. Humboldt County’s budget website projects a loss of $120 million just this year. That’s out of projected total budget of $547 million. That’s a loss of more than 20%.
There is no question that this is because we eradicated cannabis from our local economy.
So how do we fix it?
We tax unpermitted cannabis plants.
Is it legal?
Yes. 21 states currently do it. The key is for the purchase of the tax stamps to be anonymous so that there are no self-incrimination concerns.
Does anybody make money doing this?
Yes. North Carolina pulled in $8 million in just one year.
We could build ramps for disabled people, as the Federal Government has been demanding we do for almost a decade, for $7 million.
Supervisor Mike Wilson thinks we could build public transport across the entire county for $1.2 million.
And boy, there sure is a lot more cannabis here than in North Carolina.
Think of how we could build our community.
Maybe we offer tax stamps at the rate of $500 a pound or maybe we tax the whole plant for ease of verification. Maybe law enforcement doesn’t make it a priority to spend money exterminating the tax base. And maybe we only abate polluters.
Humboldt County is bleeding to death. Maybe taxing unpermitted cannabis will help.
Sean DeVries
What If We Taxed Unpermitted Farms?
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🕯🌳Good morning Kym this could be a start in the right direction instead of destroying everyone’s livelihood. If the rates could be worked out.
A much better idea than the removal of Humboldt county’s base economy. Like they’ve been doing Estelle and code enforcement and the sheriff need to realize and know that cannabis has been the base of our economy for a long time. Without it there is not much left. Even though the timber industry has been ramping up. It will only last so much longer we must protect the forest are lose everything. And the fishing industry and Crustaceans are going to have a problem coming up very soon. Most of the mom and pop’s
That I know would give everything to protect the environment for our children. Most of the small growers do it because it is a labor of love and sharing not all about the money.
Tax black market weed!?! Rolling on the ground laughing! I have an idea…. don’t grow your weed out in the open in greenhouses and you won’t get taxed. Stupid greenrushers think you HAVE to grow in a greenhouse. I have adapted to 1992 all over again. If you can’t see it, is it there?
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You dont know who you are talking to, and therefor you dont know what you are talking about.
Did you even read the letter? Its being done otherplaces.
If you werent a greenrusher (no matter when you got here) you’d want to pay your local taxes and contribute to the schools, roads and libraries.
I’m a multiple house and property owner. I pay taxes! Lots of taxes. State, federal and LOCAL! Fuk anymore taxes in commifornia. Unfortunately my taxes locally go to feeding 20 year old bums instead. 70% of humboldt taxes go to welfare. The beginning of socialism I say…..
Agreed! No more taxes… California is already one of the highest paying States in taxes. Re-budget.
I have lived here for 70 yrs. You know what? I never wanted to pay for any of that stuff or anything else, I don’t want no free cheese. we have to many laws, too many lawyers, and nobody is held accountable anyway.
I disagree. Government is the underpinning of Humboldt’s economy. Seventy percent of employment are in the public sector. Much of their wages go into the economy. Compared to the weed business where few weed dollars are spent on goods and services. Employment dollars pay taxes. Few weed dollars pay taxes mostly because the properties that grow weed have not been re-assessed as income property. And most weed is still sold for cash. No taxes are collected. The Garberville area reaps some benefit, but little weed money reaches the other parts of Humboldt County. As an increased source of money and incentive what if law enforcement were able to sell the bud they confiscate. Winner Winner criminals for dinner.
” Seventy percent of employment are in the public sector. ”
~that’s called top heavy. 2,500+ on the payroll and “recruiting” every day, w/no increase in population, is pathetic, to say the least.
“what if law enforcement were able to sell the bud they confiscate.”
What IFF . . .
well you .gov folk can go ahead and take eachother’s taxes
So.. where did the $ go then smart guy. You have to remember all the goods the cannabis community purchases. Supplies, Food, Vehicles, Fuel, Repairs, and the list goes on and on.
You forgot drugs. This county is all about govt. And drugs, which includes pot.
sounds better than destrpying everything however 500 is way too high period maybe one of those people making the rules should spend a season on a farm seems all the authority forget we have to buy supplies and pay people like any other farm would feel better if the county would be processing faster they made us meet deadlines and we did that and now they just make most of this county wait in limbo i am suprised humboldt didnt lose more money
Funny this newly gained perspective on the part of the BOS comes after the implementation of the new permit/abatement process. You’d think they would’ve thought of this as they wrote the new laws.
I guess it doesn’t hurt their bottom line!
of course … no one who made the rules owned any “Prime Ag Soil” next to a watercourse which will become directly polluted unlike the organic hippies in the forest who never cut more than the alloted 2.5 acre conversions…
And all the people who spent all that money to be legal? Good luck on that!
Big tobacco and pharma are going to crush them after 2020. Permitted growers will be past tense.
Only in your world just like micro breweries so will quality herb survive and thrive!
Bruce maybe you haven’t noticed but micro breweries have totally jumped the shark. You can’t swing a microbrewery without hitting another microbrewery. One opens, and two close.
That is a flat out lie. Google it. Why lie when it can be fact checked?
Silly idea Sean.
I agree! A perfectly puerile idea, obtuse and oblong…
That’s a good example of how stoned people think!
Let’s tax all silly ideas too!
you should try it… helps with baldness, arrogance, and can lengthen lifespan…
Sounds like you and your buddies wanna remain illegal and have an out for when they get busted.
You’re talking about illegal Growers in Humboldt purchasing tax stamps to tax themselves?????
All that tax free money is THE POINT OF GROWING ILLEGALLY. In case you haven’t noticed, Sean, Humboldt County Growers mostly don’t know the meaning of self restraint much less the notion of self taxing themselves.
Are you from Humboldt? If not, how long have you been here?
Out of 100 illegal growers, maybe one might toy with the idea.
You know when Humboldt county was first started, it was because of weed. The people who brought it here taxed themselves and helped build the community we see today especially here in southern Humboldt. Taxing isn’t the problem. The mom and pop growers understand the communities needs and they acted, the doctors office and our bank were funded BY WEED and that’s not all. Southern Humboldt would not exist if it weren’t for the weed growers who started it all. They taxed themselves for the better of the community so don’t give me that bullshit. Becoming legal is a debt pool unless you already have fat pockets or and investor.
Not a single statement there is true in any thing other than it might be somewhat true once. Weed seems to have the effect of removing the attention to anything but weed. Which is it’s most profound liability.
Also, the game has changed. Today’s growers are mostly nothing like the growers of yesteryears. Especially the greenrush influx.
greenrush influx? you mean the permitted growers?
They were funded by the proceeds of weed sales, from those that could afford it. They were not taxed through a system like the one proposed. I’m well aware of how things progressed in southern Humboldt.
Do you expect somebody to believe that pile of bull you just released on us?
This Sean DeVries dude is a recent transplant from Bernal Heights. His dispensary down there went belly up under a cloud of finger pointing embezzlers. Now he’s up here in Humboldt trying to strike it rich again at our expense. Just ask One Log House dispensary down by French’s camp.
His “practices “ suck , this guy thinks his past shenanigans won’t catch up to him.
Go back down to the city and leave Humboldt out of your City schemes.
It does seem he’s trying really hard to inject himself into the scene and I can tell by being a newcomer that he has no idea the nuances or history of how we have arrived where we are.
I personally take umbrage with his flippant suggestion that Southern Humboldt should just incorporate so McKinleyville can have more money to fight home invasions. Jesus, Southern Humboldt had just about no law enforcement for years, it got incredibly bad, and now with increased funding and more officers Southern Humboldt is seeing a little relief.
If you you’re just going to throw out uninformed bullshit proposals Humboldt ain’t the place . People here will call you on your ignorance, and not in a nice way. This guy needs to just stop.
Again, for posterity:
I never owned a dispensary.
I worked to removed embezzlers from Bernal Heights during the six months I worked there. It’s public record.
Also, I suggested forming a special district for Southern Humboldt, not incorporation, so that law enforcement response times would improve and so that their priorities would more closely align with the communities.
“I never owned a dispensary.
I worked to removed embezzlers from Bernal Heights….”
Sure ya did. Your story about yourself changes every time you post !
You know people know who you are , right? You can post your “revisionist personal history “ about yourself all you want, but you’re not going to be able to hide your deeds.
and what are you known for? [edit]
Is this person delusional! 500$ a pound is how much the cannabis sells for on the market. If you taxed it that much then there isn’t any reason to grow it!
if you are only getting 500 a unit right now you have some pretty ugly units . that being said 500 per unit is way to high. 100 a unit and i think people would be buying stamps faster than they could print them. you would see trim rooms with tax stamps laying around like turkey bags.
Dont matter how much per unit cause it aint going to happen.
Lol 500/p . Obviously not experienced.
…and every farmer I know in the permit process is dumping plenty out the back door on to the real market. I guess you can tax those guys twice .
exactly this would save the area from going BK
Fire the Sheriff, get a Sheriff that will prioritize the wants and needs of our community. Billy Honsal Needs to resign immediately!
“The power under the Constitution will always be in the people. It is entrusted for certain defined purposes, and for a limited period, to representatives of their own choosing; and whenever it is executed contrary to their interest, or not agreeable to their wishes, their servants can and undoubtedly will be recalled.” –George Washington.
~hmmm. WHY is Estelle still banging her chops after more than enough signatures were gathered to oust her? It’s not like we don’t have a blueprint. Thing here is, the private males and females masquerading as public servants in the republic, ALL gotta hit the dusty trail.
Resign? We wish.
Why? Why have you made Bill Honsel your personal whipping boy? Your obsession is getting weird.
Sheriff John Brown has made really damaging remarks pitting permitted growers against unpermitted growers.
When Bonnie BlackBerry called him out he said ‘yup, that’s what i stand for, community division and infighting.’
That’s insufferable and he absolutely should be recalled for it.
Plus he called the national guard on his own people. Plus he’s never lifted a finger to solve a single murder or find a missing adult.
But, no one’s anonymous call will have a bit of impact. That has to be done in the light with everyone’s input.
He is a jerk for sure. Have you seen his stupid celebration after he got the job, which serious person would do such shit. Normal people would celebrate after they did something good but celebrating your self for nothing There is something wrong but wait if you a peahead, now it makes sense. Obviously that stands for most people in power. Why can’t serious people with a backbone get jobs like that. Sure, cause they wont do any bullshit without questioning. Most people are afraid nobody is sustainable any more everbody depends on the money and that’s why they do everything for it.
Educate yourself and others to get empowered. Greed will not get you to a good point in life, it just makes u stupid and takes your humanity. El Presidente Fidel <3
fire the sheriff …. or someone can run against him someone anyone
It’s not a bad idea, I know people who were paying taxes on their cannabis almost a decade ago, just so that they never had to worry about going to jail for tax evasion. You literally can write “I made 100,000 from cocaine sales” on your federal taxes. They don’t care as long as they are getting paid.
The water board Regulations say each residence can have six plants in a one thousand square foot space. The county should offer simple easy to get permits for 1000 square foot greenhouses that cost a reasonable amount of money. And what people do inside that greenhouse is none of the county’s business. If somebody wants to do a light Dep with more than six plants that’s not the county’s problem. That would boost county revenue and weed out the greedy people.
Another thing is the county needs to quit criminalizing the rural lifestyle. Trying to bring every single structure in the hills up to code is impossible and basically economic suicide. Every existing structure should just be grandfathered in.
It’s 100 square feet not 1000
they should just go back to 215 99 and tell the waterboard to get lost… all there is up there is water
I like the 1000 sq ft idea. With efficient use of that space many of us trying to now live on just our Social Security
Benefits could keep and maintain our homesteads that we are at risk of losing.
Yup!! And several already have.
Name the 21 states that currently let you grow illegally and then let you buy tax stamps anonymously…. Courious.
Not exactly a panacea. From the link “No, purchasing stamps only fulfills your civil unauthorized substance tax obligation. You will still be in violation of the criminal statues of North Carolina for possessing the drugs.” And “In fact, according to Ron Starling, the former director of the Unauthorized Substance Division in North Carolina, only 77 people paid the tax in the first 14 years of its enactment. Therefore, North Carolina makes most of its money from this tax when an alleged drug dealer is arrested and drugs are confiscated without an attached tax stamp. ” http://campbelllawobserver.com/crime-does-paythe-state/
Thus this tax is in essence part of a conviction of drug dealers, is virtually ignored as unenforceable by users and would simple add some money when the grower is otherwise abated under existing laws and has installed pot in his possession. In fact it is so silly a law that most of these stamps are apparently sold to stamp collectors.
You might be right. Out of the 21 states, only North Carolina made any money. And, as you’ve pointed out, we may not get people volunteering to pay.
But they might.
Because in Humboldt there is a history of people paying cannabis proceeds into the community. The Health Center, The Mateel, cake auctions for schools, etc…
We are at a much different point in the drug war than ever before. Humboldt County’s economy is collapsing.
Isn’t it worth trying?
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Hahahaha. Buy a tax stamp!!!! Sean your killing me. Buy a weed tax stamp in NC and you will be investigated and go to jail for violating both state and federal laws. The converse is also true, possess weed without the tax stamp and you will be charged with violating state drug laws, federal drug laws, and NC tax laws. Horrible example Sean.
Sean, stick a fork in it Bruh. The game is to be made, not to be played. 64 legalization was all about big tax money, not legalizing some little players who will cheat the game at every turn.
” Humboldt County’s economy is collapsing.” Even if you used the correct words, it’s still hogwash.
“Isn’t it worth trying”?
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
No. Because all it does is add a bit more in terms of fines when the grower is found with unpermitted pot. It doesn’t mean that the regulations of permitted grows are negated nor do the abatements stop. The whole point is that it created an additional fine. It did not eliminate any.
yes and keep it cool with the 215 99 thing… go above and pay a big abatement…
64 IS THE GREEDRUSH
Yeah some people donated like 0.001% of their proceeds into the community, big whoop. Some people like myself exported 100% of the product and 100% of the money, county got nothing beyond property taxes.
Legitimate taxes would have done tremendously more for the county than a few gs here and there at harvest time.
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No you are greenrushers who dont know what you are talking about.
People gave big in the day. 10 or 15 plants was a big grow. And 3 to 5 plants were dedicated to most grower’s priority cause.
Built the mateel, the clinic, kmud, hospice, fire departments by the dozen, schools, and stuff im forgetting.
That’s bullshit. In those lean times no one was giving up half of their income to do those things. There WAS a lot of grants and donated time and skills.
That and let’s not forget that a single pound was $5000 (or more) back in the day while land was $400/acre and a new Toyota was $10,500.
You should be very proud of yourself Guest, good job!!!
Corporate America Is the Priority.
Because America is Corporate Entity.
Legitimate Taxes build bombs and weapons of war. If taxes were spent on Americans, and not under the guise of American imperialism and overthrowing other countries for corporate resource allocation…
Then you might have a point.
USA needs to reign in its spending, like the rest of the hard working people when faced with lower incoming receipts.
Too many people acting like house slaves, the others, acting like robber barons and economic hit men.
Why would they pay a tax when it offers them no protection since it is illegal anyway? If they wanted to go legal and help the county, they would be doing that already, although I will say some want to but the road to being legal is too difficult for some. And, this idea would suck for all the people that took the time, effort and money to go legal. And, there is truth to the accusation that not all of these growers should be growing, messing up the environment and doing shady deals. Just don’t think this is a viable solution. I think the county and the anti-cannabis people are going to get a very rude awakening of the reality of what the cannabis industry did do for our economy. They NEED this lesson! And maybe they will find a way to entice more people to go legal instead of trying to be a bunch of Vamporous, greedy blood suckers trying to make up the deficit off the backs of those trying to do it right.
Kinda lost me at “overzealous law enforcement “. Sean, you don’t strike me as someone that has been out there experiencing the growing environment over the past 10 years, seen and experienced the degradation of the environment, neighborhoods, the utter lack of self control, the total freefor all of the greenrush. Law enforcement should have been “over zealous” many years ago.
You’ll note that I encourage environmental protection?
And you don’t think flying National Guard helicopters over people is overzealous?
Been in the game for 40 years. I’ve run from choppers in 100 degree weather up hill choking on tan oak fuzz. I’ve hunkered down all day getting eaten by mosquitoes listening to my scanner, unable to escape my hiding place. Been chased by bears, big cats, loggers,and skunks. Looking back I wouldn’t change it for anything. Those were the good old days when people were covert and left no trace.
You sound so new to the game, that’s why I scoff. Growers are as varied as any population. You are NEVER going to get most of them to tax themselves, maybe a couple.
No, I don’t think the choppers should be flying that low but you see, it’s all a game. That’s their game. Growing is the growers game. Cat and mouse. There will never be a total consensus on what to do. Black market weed will never go away and black market growers are never going to agree to your proposal.
Agreed, never! You failed to mention harvesting in the dead of night and hauling your bounty up a hill. Hunkering down in the bush along side a dirt road tuned into any sound sometimes until dawn waiting for transport. Damn good times shame I cursed those sunrises I realize now they were spectacular!!
Chased by skunks??
Sean DeVries,Please put your tax stamped pipe down for a while before writing letters to the editor.
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Yeah, I see a pretty close to 0% usage of this plan.
If we’re going to allow marijuana at all, stop keeping the price artificially high and the problem will take care of itself.
California needs something like this but we cannot forget about the people who spent 100k’s on permitting.
The heritage farmer program:
3000 sqft = $1 per sqft annual
6000sqft = $2 per sq ft annual
9000 sqft = $3 per sqft annual
Billed through your property tax as a fine.
If you got a permit you get an acre.
43,560 sqft for all that money you spent and bulls**t you dealt with.
Implement Farmer markets and distributor programs for small farmers to legally sell there product, all testing and standards still apply.
this ensures no pesticides in out plants and streams.
Several rules apply
– no full time employees (no labor issues)
– must have homestead ( no greed growers from out of area buying land)
– water must be approx 50% rain catchment or proof of water rights from well or legal spring.
– in order to sell at markets and distributors must pass testing.
We can all agree that the permitting process will only benefit and small portion or the population.
In order to keep our county’s from falling into a dismal state we need to support the small farmers and keep them in the game.
If your a homestead that money does come back to the community, everybody feels it.
Lets build it up not tear it down.
Hard becoming legal when everything about your scene screams ILLEGAL. The water, the grading, the chemicals, the labor, the traditional market customers, the tax fraud. Good luck.
What most of you “problem solvers” fail to recognize is that what is ultimately best for the county is your scene being shutdown and you and your crew returning to the city for work. Stop trying to shoehorn your idea of what is best into a county where it obviously is not. The county will be just fine without the pittance of cash donations that were tossed around in the past. Ain’t like anyone is going to miss the small businesses that were mainly used to launder money.
Become a tour guide, move, or get into meth. Seems like the only choices folks have at this point.
Seen the county’s drop in sales tax? And the state’s corresponding rise? There’s just under a 10 percent difference. That’s huge.
Please provide documentation that it’s, if true, not due to internet sales just like everywhere else.
I was wrong. It’s 7% difference not almost 10%. https://kymkemp.com/2019/06/04/the-cost-of-legalization-is-killing-cannabis-and-hurting-local-businesses-in-humboldt-says-article-in-politico/
The Politico article the info came from quotes a variety of local business people. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/04/humboldt-county-marijuana-farmers-regulations-227041?fbclid=IwAR3PB_3rv9ijQ3D3WMYo5_gRnDGmOSSzAcuxsNQU4qEjS_C0mkwxXd2Fl1k
If County business revenue is down in the last 3 -5 years, I would state the situation like this;
Over-production in an unregulated self-governed canna market drove prices down year after year.
Canna prices were falling steep for well over a decade!
It was not taxation or regulation that hurt any business, it was a grow-explosion that created a bubble that many enjoyed – directly and indirectly.
There is no logical path to re-create an economic bubble, in my opinion, for any reason, if there are other options.
Good point ☝🏾
Someone has already written about how over-regulation led to Humboldt’s economic decline:
https://books.google.com/books?id=8HA3DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT198&lpg=PT198&dq=humboldt+county+planner+says+code+enforcement+not+a+priority&source=bl&ots=sNb8EBy2GG&sig=ACfU3U3ntebGJn8GbonCbgaA1WUNWr3rJg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiq-b7U5fHjAhXXvp4KHX6ZBGg4ChDoATAAegQIBhAB#v=onepage&q=humboldt%20county%20planner%20says%20code%20enforcement%20not%20a%20priority&f=false
Do you have any objective papers or writings on the declining price of a pound of cannabis, from the years 2008-2018?
What was the rough price in 2008?
$2,500 and up?
2018?
$250-750?
No surprise that 1 of 5 tie-dye/incense stores closed with those realities.
How did “over regulation” affect the declines over 2008-2018?
I think it was the lack of any regulations.
Medical pot shop facilities that followed the law added tax revenue to every city they were allowed to be in.
Peace in Medicine in Sebastopol brought more money to the city than any other business, minus a Ford Dealership that closed.
First the state has added some sales tax revenue that does not go to the county under Bradley Burns, such as the diesel sales tax in addition to the the excise tax. Cigarette sales taxes were increased too but were not directly shared with counties. Anyway such changes make it unclear that it wasn’t more taxable items rather than an increase in sales- at least at the State level.
But I could find nothing that said either sales tax revenue for the State or various counties all increased. It’s odd and makes me question whether the writer of this article had such stats either. Anyway if you have access to such stats, it would be good to see.
And your solution is to what again, destroy the economy or move onto meth?
Is that your business, based on what i just read not too far off.
And screams illegal??
Lol what where all these permitted grows prior to prop64, your delusional if you don’t think legal grows did grading, diversions and chemicals at some point.
But, have it your way, spend money on the eradication that increases the price, that increases the demand, that increases the influx of “city folk” into our area to take the money else-ware. Don’t take the revenue, dont help the county and spend it all on ruining lives.
[edit] go crack another budlight and collect your disability.
There will be no increase in the in-flux of city folk into the area to grow weed as long as the risk of being popped is greater than it has been for decades. I may be a simply minded fucker as you say but I am also 100% correct. The meth head economy in Humboldt is directly related to the underground economy, not legalization. The black market is completely responsible for the zombie invasion. You invite criminals to the area every season to make tax free money then you whine when the area is overrun by dope infested zombies. Freaking Hypocrite.
Legalization, and the side effect of putting criminals out of business will ultimately be THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO HUMBOLDT IN A CENTURY. If you can’t hang, do something else or just fucking die whining away like a little bitch.
Do you know what happened to the bootleggers after prohibition? Nobody does because they faded into the legal economy.
Meth and heroin use has exploded all across America. You cannot put the sole blame on growers, that’s preposterous.
Preposterous is thinking that an illegal, underground, tax free economy is anything but damaging to the long term health of a community.
While it is true that meth and heroin abuse is exploding all over the country. It is also true that an area with a large number of tax free cash no-questions asked jobs will have a greater influx of dopers than an area with the same number of legitimate or zero job opportunities.
A GM plant moves into the county with 5,000 jobs for people who can pass a drug test and make it to work every day, OR 1,000 illegal grows hire 5 seasonal hands each, for tax free cash, and tolerate them abusing hard drugs and alcohol – which workforce will result in more dope being imported into the area? If neither happens it would result in even less dope.
Trimming crews on heroin and speed? Maybe if the grower is also on heroin or speed. That would not be tolerated by the vast majority of growers.
Heck with the trimmers. I know growers with rather serious heroin problems.
Their lives will fall apart. Heroin and being successful on a sustained level doesn’t happen. Every junkie is like the setting sun, as the saying goes.
You are also full of it. Reread your comments.
Moonshiners did not go away entirely and alcohol prohibition was completely different and only lasted 13 years, started off being legal for how many years?
You don’t get that i just said tax the sqft, so its not tax free anymore.
You may be right about the ratio of busts to influx, but i will tell you this; increasing the demand and price will increase the interest to go big.
They busted what 2-5% of the grows, dont think the big boys are done yet.
I apologize for calling you simple minded and i will agree with you that the best thing to do is move on and find something else, thats what i did.
Doesnt work for the 67year old Vietnam vet who escaped to the mountains, the generational farmers without any city skills and the recluses off grid homestead simple 25 plant grow in their veggie garden.
But i doubt you care about the them.
Cannabis is a plant not plutonium or meth.
I care much much much more about the fate of the old school mountain dudes than the greenrusher bros like myself. I believe that they will be much better off once all of the transplants are gone.
Well glad we have common ground after all that.
Hopefully we can all find our way.
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I personally miss Figueiredo’s and the cheese steak place in Fortuna, we lost both within the last 2 months.
Try driving north thru Eureka, pass the 90 degree bend in Broadway and look to your left as you travel thru the next 3 blocks. Go ahead, count the empty storefronts.
“Pittance of cash donations?!?” You REALLY do not understand how economics works. Neither do our BOS, which is EXACTLY why we’re in this situation.
Do you REALLY NOT SEE what is going on around you?!? Humboldt’s economic collapse could not be more obvious, or more disturbing – and it is CLEARLY 100% due to our uniquely draconian regulations. It is not an impending collapse, it is an ONGOING collapse. And it’s going to get A LOT worse in the next few months.
Personally, I am joining the mass exodus. WAAAY too much ignorance and blind stupidity among our elected “leaders” to be sustainable here, in ANY industry.
How do you explain the storefronts closing all across America? ALL ACROSS AMERICA?? Here’s a hint, take out your credit card and order up what you need from fuckin Amazon. People are killing their own towns for the convience of doorstep delivery. Amazon doesn’t even pay any taxes. Don’t blame pot and all the other scapegoats that people come up with. Boycot Amazon if you really care about local businesses.
Yeah sure… Amazon is not a cheese steak house, it won’t feed you.. I mean I have relatives who work at home thru tech, they order EVERYTHING to their home.. from thier dish soap.. to their dog food.. It’s fucking stupid.. I swear they have Vit D deficiency…. They luv my Cannabis though, and so do thier trendy friends.. so that’s a plus… lol.. However, we still go out to eat.. They go out to eat way to often.. When Resteruants and Cafes start to struggle, it’s a pretty good indication the economy is in trouble!
As far as the county goes.. yeah.. they have some serious issues regarding draconian regulations and it’s strangeling the economy! It really is!. I mean legalization was going to be a struggle.. but the county has made things unnecessarily difficult and expensive, in high hopes they could play favorites with the growers.. well, they are tanking thier own ship!
Mark Passio, talks extensively about Natural Law.
I am certain that our collective moral compass is being systematically degraded by our corporate government technocrats, most of whom have been schooled by the people who were installed for the very purpose of removing our instincts to live according to a higher moral code.
If not, there’s nothing to separate us from the animals that DFW is trying desperately to “protect” from our ugly, destructive lifestyle.
I’m torn between the true environmental conversation, and the environmentAL control grid being put in place to essentially tax and control
Literally every aspect of
HUMAN BEHAVIOR.
When we don’t have a solid foundation of our individual rights, or our moral compass, or even our connection to source, we become susceptible to being programmed.
This is just a reminder that we are all being attacked.
The farmers have been attacked for years for their independent livelihoods.
Waken the Phuk Up!
The challenge to this brave new world coined as “legalization” are immense!
It’s not unique to the struggles we face here. Big buiz knows exactly how to tank small farmers, and small Biz, thay have Been doing it all around the world since the invention of modren AG..
Personally, I do not beilive individual liberties, and environmental stewardship have to be in conflict.. Enviromental Science 101.. this is another division something I feel THEY have imposed on the community…
While permitting “bad players” and demonizing Environmentally friendlier smaller independent pharms…
If it was ever about the environment, they wouldn’t have blanketed the entire community in Blind abatements and punished people for “growing vegetables”
While also permitting Environmentally destructive dollar makers..
We are being attacked… this is like the Crusades of legalization.. Demonizing the “sinners” who refused to repent for a sin never committed…
Demonizing people who found another way, and choose to take control over thier fundamental basics of life, Food, water, clean air.. security..
Basically they are punishing us for winning! The county and state are salty losers…
But yeah, true enough SID.. if we can’t anchor onto a solid foundation of independent individuality, we are susceptible.. true enough.
There are environmental issues, they do need to be addressed, unfortunately voluntary measures where not sufficient, but neither is absolute control.. It doesn’t help to blanketly assert incorrect information, like false water stats, or lies about culverts… or other erroneous details the county has chosen to inflict on well intentioned people..
#STAYWOKE
जागते रहो
https://youtu.be/2H6WLYYlUQs
Max igan
“War on freedom”
“Humboldt County released a report in February of this year that shows the state of the County’s finances.
Why is this interesting” ?
~because in February “The County” of Dumboldt, NOT Humboldt County (<<that’s you and me in the republic), had zip, zero, nada in the form of a 2018, fiscal year-end June 30, 2018, Annual Financial Report to base ANY of their distorted figures on.
“This should come as no surprise to anybody.” The blind leading the blind via the lame stream media.
The more corrupt the $tate, the more rule$.
What a lame-ass letter.
I will address Humboldt County’s budget problems in another letter.
They are legion, as you’ve pointed out.
~thanks for the reply, Sean.
You’re jumping in here with a false idea, based on false figures (double pun).
I don’t work at Burger King, i don’t have to follow Burger King’s rules. If Burger King goes belly-up, how is Burger King’s debt my debt?
Discussing The County Inc’s numbers on a screen that re-present something of value, that you’re going to address? Let’s not and say we did.
Don’t bother.
Well, actually Ancient history I actually ordered a set of tax stamps directly from the Revenue collectors.. Just to see if it could be done.. lol, and yes they exist.. oddly enough, the number on the tax code to tax ALL drugs is ( I can’t remember the first few #) but the last few numbers started with 4:20.. oddly enough.. true story! As far as I remember, it states in the code that it’s against the law for the employee’s to turn anyone over, and will be fined if they do.. (Like $200) so… not a big inscentive to not really…
However, taxing unpermited grows.. hmm.. I actually think the only way to do this would be to allow small medical collectives, and tax it by the square foot.. at a lower rate.. I think taxing it by the unit, is practically impossible.. and growers only make like $500 a unit sometimes soooo noooo…
Maybe like .50 a sq ft..? Under 2500 sqft .75 7500 sqft?
I am not sure the if’s, ands or but’s about it.. but within reason, I would like to see small unpermited cultivators pay some taxes..
“An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy; because there is a limit beyond which no institution and no property can bear taxation.” ― John Marshall, the longest serving Chief Justice in Supreme Court history. John Marshall was an American statesman and jurist who shaped American constitutional law.
The power to tax is the power to destroy Period end of story.
Cannabis isn’t a criminal discussion. It’s a matter of education. MJ is not conducive to mind control <<<that's the BIGGIE. WoW sorta, kinda, points out the bootlickers who don’t enjoy their own product. The pretender$.
Excellent point.
That is about the “bootlickers”.
Central, I toke my own smoke.. TY.. Wat u tryin to say? Where are your solutions? I mean we can keep the bitchfest going forever, but what are some solutions? I think it would be much better to allow small cultivators to continue and possibly tax them in some way, then to Abate them, if they are not causing big enviro damages.. Allow small medical allowances and collectives, and allow people the opportunity to be productive… I am not a fan of over taxation, but I am a fan of public roads, schools, fire services And the like.. I mean I donate to many of those institutions anytime I can anyway…
On the flip side, I will say this, I do not beilive that any other crop is taxed, solely on cultivation., alone..
#OPT OUT
Asking permission is for slaves.
OPT Out.. Get abatements anyway..
“In this awful world where the efforts of caring people often pale in comparison to what is done by those who have power, how do I manage to stay involved and seemingly happy? I am totally confident not that the world will get better, but that we should not give up the game before all the cards have been played. The metaphor is deliberate; life is a gamble. Not to play is to foreclose any chance of winning.”
The Optimism of Uncertainty
Howard Zinn
From an excerpt of Paul Rogat Loeb’s book “The Impossible Will Take a Little While:A Citizens guide to hope in a time of fear”
~correct, SmallFry. One just can’t ‘opt out’ without a firm foundation beneath him first. T.H.E.Y. are like kiddygardners, ya gotta take their hand and walk them thru, step x step. This is why i haven’t paid private property tax since ’07.
Extract from Thomas Jefferson to Henry Lee
Monticello May. 8. 1825.
this was the object of the Declaration of Independence. not to find out new principles, or new arguments, never before thought of, not merely to say things which had never been said before; but to place before mankind the common sense of the subject; in terms so plain and firm as to command their assent, and to justify ourselves in the independent stand we are compelled to take. neither aiming at originality of principle or sentiment, nor yet copied from any particular and previous writing, it was intended to be an expression of the American mind, and to give to that expression the proper tone and spirit called for by the occasion.
“I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
SmallFry,
~i don’t doubt for a milla-second that you partake. It’s obvious in your comments, you have the ability to think for yourself, ergo, ‘outside the box’.
I and others in here have posted some solutions. One is Sid’s OPT OUT**. Two, Class Action lawsuit – READ THAT – “LAW” suit. Litigation done filed, by yours truly. ‘In as much as ye have done it unto the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto Me.’ Matthew 25:40.
*RRR – remove, rescind, revoke your signature b/c you were under threat, duress, & coercion by Legally blind, mentally incompetent fact witnesses that are masquerading as Public Servants when in fact they are DDDT [Dangerous, Disingenuous, Domestic Terrorists].
*Asking permission is for slaves.
GLuck on your lawsuit! Thank you.. Your braver then I….definitely pay my property tax, but then again, I am not apposed necessarily.. within reason.. but if that’s your path to RRRoll all the more power to ya Central..
Thanks, SmallFry. Altho, it’s not exactly MY lawsuit – be needin “A little help from my friends”, who need help :-))
Bring back 215
Yes to get her done we need to have some kind of rules set in stone but for sure not what we have it will definitely kill the county if they keep moving forward with this bullshit
Illegal marijuana is already taxed. All marijuana is illegal. You have to pay thousands of dollars in “tax” before you even start to grow illegal marijuana, if you want to grow illegal marijuana and tell anybody that you’re growing it.
😝
“Freedom comes to those who don’t apply for it.”
to be honest the way I look at growing rogue is you pay the tax whenit’s your turn to get busted.
YES END THIS CORRUPT 64 TYRANNY!
They killed Humboldt’s economy with overtaxation and over regulation of weed, amongst other things; now you think the fix is…more taxes? Really? Good luck with that, people. So many Californians think that massive taxation will dig them out of the hole that taxation put them into in the first place.
Exactly!
~ya gotta wonder how dumbed down are we? …on a scale of one to two.
Great interview with Mark Passio today.
~thanks Sid, I’ll check it.
All this comes from people who, since they spent their lives not being concerned about whether they obeupyed the law or not,don’t understand how law works.
1) complaining about how the statements put people out of business who can’t afford to or won’t bother to fill a permitting/environmental laws misses the point that that is the goal- to put uncontrolled profiteers out of business. Whether that can be actually accomplished or not is a question but it is the goal.
2) There only reason that the mass of Humboldt Co flush growers exist is because, unlike other places that actually enforced the law, Humboldt Co turned a blind eye to it when there was no profit in enforcement. So appealing to “justice” because they are now the ones being leveraged sounds pretty lame when they relied on weak justice for decades.
There are only a couple of ways for the battle between greedy growers versus greedy officials to end. Either the number of outlaw growers drops to levels where enforcement ceases to be a money generator for the country- which means most growers are spending enough to follow the environmental and social limitations up front- or the proposed removal of national prescription against pot means that there is such a level of competition that Humboldt Co no longer has a black market cornered to jack up the prices and again there is no money to wring out of them any more. Growers don’t have as much of a constituency as their inbred, outlaw life makes them think they do. They offer a product and, if they are no longer needed as others also offer the product, there will be little sentimental support for them to continue as there is for any other overpriced commodity.
Butt I did obeuypy the law officer, honest I did
we live in a capitalist country… some greed is actually good… I do think the huge scenes run by guys with neck tats are whack.
Make 99 medical legal again
Lol – my neighbor has a neck tat of a bible verse – I don’t think his tattoo is going to keep him out of Hell after all of his lying and cheating and drug use …..
Believe it or not, everyone has a chance to be saved through belief in Jesus Christ and what he did for us on the cross. Your neighbor is his creation, and you owe it to JC to love your neighbor.
Now, as for sinners, they will be judged in due time. It is your duty to suffer in this life because you as a Christian are due to be blessed and rewarded in the next life… Also, don’t judge folks who use the Lord’s plants, lest you yourself be judged… Keep your eyes on the cross, on the crown of thorns, and on the sacrifice he made for you!
People still believe that stuff?
Would this be like letting the logging industry self-regulate while getting a donation from the rape of our forest and hills?
I think that certain environmental impacts shouldn’t be overlooked. I feel like in the Timber lands, and forested hills.. Size Matters.. I also think, that maybe some sort of water conservation measures and incentives should be included.. within reason.. If there was to be a successful proposal..
~i will gladly share what i have recorded into the public record. Someone had to file, so i did, in March 2016. Thing is – i’m not an injured party. Class Action suit is VERY doable. If you would like copies, the place i will be next Tuesday eve., is the Fortuna River Lodge.
GET EM CENTHUM
“uncontrolled profiteers”
lol
NEWSFLASH there, It’s not all about you,
~the criminals are wearing the suits, uniforms and robes. History bears this out. It’s cyclical.
You don’t think those $10k-$70k a day FINES are enough?
They point is to receive revenue more than once along with providing support for the growers that were/are intimidated by the undocumented permitting process.
Some of us are full of it!
~can i walk up to you, Sean DeVries, reach in your pocket and take cash from you? If you can’t do it in the public sector, you can’t do it in the private realm. You’re referring to criminals and thieves AS IF their smoke and mirrors “Budget Roadshow”* has anything that resembles something other than straight-up lies.
*skipped this year, because, umm, ahh, well, shuks, T.H.E.Y. couldn’t get it up in time to produce an ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT – Hello?
Actually Sean, you are one of the only few people on this blog willing to put your real name forward, on an editorial in defense of Small unpermited Pharmers.. Thank you. I might not agree 💯 with your opinion.. but at least you have the ball rolling here.. GLuck..
“but at least you have the ball rolling here”
~yeah, a wobbly gutter ball.
“Please Mastah, more taxes -faster, faster, harder, harder, more, more”.
Yes, it is a wobbly gutter ball.. Keep throwing ‘em, you might hit a strike..
But thanks for your excerpts into Rapey culture gone wrong.. Central.. Most unpleasant..
~didn’t mean it to be unpleasant …just… when you tell a wannabe revenue generator Gluck, i SMH.
At the founding of this Republic, there were only four federal crimes: treason, counterfeiting, piracy, and crimes against the law of nations. Now there are three thousand federal crimes, three hundred thousand federal administrative regulations, many of which are punishable as crimes, and about eighty-five thousand local governments with five hundred thirteen thousand elected officials, or one in every 500 people. We have an estimated forty-five million “Laws” – state, fed and local. There were only Ten Commandments handed down by which to conduct our lives. It would be impossible to obey forty-five million laws.
We must contend with sixty-five times more laws than our grandfathers did at the turn of the 20th Century, the most cruel and unjust of those being the tax laws.
“Fruit From a Poisonous Tree” by, Melvin Stamper, JD.
After the year zero, you have the choice to exist in faith with eyes on the cross, or to follow the law.
The Christ’s way is to focus on faith, the cross, the sacrifice made, to forgive, and to be forgiven.
The law way is to is to be results oriented, to judge, to covet money success and power, and to care vainly about what others think.
Anyway, that’s what Jimmy Swaggart would say
That’s why we should have a special district in SoHum.
There should be a special district in SO HUM! I have been sayin this for years.. gerrymandering, might actually be an advantage in so hums case..
First of all , I know others who have done this … for years I paid taxes on my ” cherry and blueberry ” farm . .
Claimed I made 150k , had my writeoffs , paid the IRS $6 to 9 k a year ..Paid state taxes , Homeowners ins , property taxes , etc ..Was a Good citizen . Organic , responsible , clean
Built a nice home and property . All worth Nothing now ..They wont even List my place . Too many people also trying to bail out of here ..I haven’t been able to pay taxes in 2 years now ..I WANT to pay taxes ..Ill need Social Security some day
. These greedy
” far thinking “growers , HA , dont think they will ever need a retirement check I guess ..The point being ..Some of us were Happy to pay taxes , and now cant ..and cant grow
.And will probably lose everything we’ve worked for all these years .. I Wish i could pay into my retirement again . You might be surprised how many people would do the same .
.
Feel the Power of the governing class.
“The Power to tax is the power to destroy.”
Now you can identify with the massive military budgets.
Any government that parades this way all over the world, needs a massive arsenal to protect the program.
Stop paying into the Military Industrial Complex….
It’s all getting focused on the peaceful populations in the world….
For when “peaceful “no longer solves the problem.
Read Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins if you haven’t already.
“… needs a massive arsenal to protect the program.”
~protect the corporate profit. The “Bottom line” <<<that T.H.E.Y. can't place their finger on! No dire need to, since they're rolling in asset forfeiture, estates of the deceased, million-a-month taxation w/out representation, GRANT$, GRANT$, GRANT$, etc., etc.
Honsal has to have an arsenal of visual military power to protect him from the 'fed-up w/bull-oney' people, labeled enemies of the $tate of CA Inc.
Condolences JM.. I completely sympathize! Retirement is important! People who were “good players” for years have now been demonized for a twisted Adgenda.. and thrown into the category of “bad players”.. I find these Abatements on residential properties appalling, and concerning! And more of an attack on a rural way of life, and market consolidation, then having anything to do with “Environmental Protections”.. I hope you find a way to hang on! I think eventually, maybe things might stabilize.. who knows what the future holds! Best of luck to you! Blessings!
~thank you for saying this so eloquently, SmallFry. I read and re-read just me’s comment and i would have a hard time summing it up. I go right to, property tax is unconstitutional (i have a thick stack of unopened envelopes from Bartholomew), but that takes many steps of explaining. Perhaps the People for the Republic meeting covers this, idk.
I looked into selling my homestead (my dream-come-true), but now, thanks to Xotic Flavorz, nobody would actually want to live on my property (surrounded by noisy industrial greenhouses) and there’s no money in cannabis anymore so basically I can’t sell my property and I’m stuck next door to a bully and a liar and a cheat who makes my life hell every day. Thanks Rex!!
That sucks! “Legal” pharms don’t nessicarily make the best Neighors! And there is not really much accountability after they get a “permit”… If I had horrid neighbors like that, I would put up the largest fing Male garden I possibly could.. checks and balances… (unless I had other neighbors I was concerned about) lousy! I think that the permit process and prop $6664 has tuned a well intentioned dream into a screaming nightmare for many!
A must watch.
The Man in the High Castle series.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1740299/
trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzayf9GpXCI
~looks like the YT choices are short blips. Or “in this episode we ‘discuss’ the Man in the High Castle.” I am familiar w/Phillip K. Dick, so i’ll have to check a video store.
Yeh, it’s a netflix? series, before netflix became the dee en see platform. Most of us have boycotted that platform for that reason, but with that said, the first few seasons of that show were spot on what we’re facing today (even though presented in a fictional way). I haven’t kept up with the entire series, but others have and they still recommend watching it. It’ll be out on dvd, too, if not already.
OH, BTW, certain poster’s names are no longer showing up in the box below that shows who just recently posted. Weird.
“OH, BTW, certain poster’s names are no longer showing up in the box below that shows who just recently posted. Weird.”
~not weird at all. I believe it’s called “Monitoring” -two months, four months, six months, a doller.
It’s been less than a week than I had to delete one more of your comments for breaking the rules. I don’t see the moderation lifting anytime soon.
I figured as much. Even my own name won’t show up (except a few times today which surprised me), so I’m probably on moderation too, which would also might explain the disappearing post syndrome that’s running havoc again. There’s nothing like not seeing any other posts that responded to a post until at a later time after responding to that lone post.
Gremlins.
I’ve seen that happen with Rhbb’s own post. It shows up in the recent comment section for a short time. I go to look at the post which can’t be found. Then back to the recent comments section where it might still be there or it might have disappeared. Then it may show the comment sometime later but it will be too late to it to appear in the Say What section. Since I doubt she puts herself in moderation, I suspect it is a software result. That happens to my posts too and she has never said I’m under moderation. The paranoia in me makes me wonder about it though.
After the day Leia and Caroline were found and my website broke under the onslaught, we put in place a caching program that stores information. This can affect what shows on the front page if I don’t purge the cache frequently.
~RHBB site functioned for many years w/out a cache program cramming up the conversations. I don’t see how it is of benefit.
Yes, well, talk to the computer experts who literally babysat my website for hours to keep it from breaking under the onslaught. They think I need it. I hire people with skills to tell me what I need to do, then I do it.
It really is a clusterfuck… way to ruin a great place with red tape… its a norman rockwell painting like you red necks wanted….
sad thing is all of the starving local businesses… Atlas shrugged
“…they vanish to Galt Gulch, a hidden valley, where they wait for the government to cave in, collapse, thereby ushering in, by necessity, a truly free market.” Ayn Rand lets the chips fall where they would, in favor of the creative individual and his private property, his own inventions.
Atlas Shrugged 1957.
Sean, please quit saying “we”. You are not a local and will never be. We ( locals ) don’t need you. We got this. And FYI you don’t have a clue to what you are talking about
I’m concerned. Why does Kym allow such an idiot to write guest columns? Is it because Kym thinks it’s a reasonable idea, worthy of debate? That’s scary! Or is it because Kym does not have anybody else writing her with anything worth putting up here? That’s sad…
Letters to the editor are long comments—no one edits comments for sense either. (She adds testily, “And that’s probably a good thing for more than a few of you out there.”)
#Sense
Not necessarily.
If that were true Sucker Carlson wouldn’t have suddenly announced a vacation last night, after falsely claiming “white supremacy is a hoax.”
His sudden vacation after inflammatory lies brings up memories of Bill O Rapley, also from FOX, who did not return from his sudden vacation announcement.
Alex Jones having to declare psychosis in court should have been a big heads up to a lot of you.
“Psychosis” is not “intelligence”.
Most of the time, there is no mistaking “crazy” for “smart”.
Fox News is a scary cult.
well you are basically supporting their stance on cannabis..
How’s that, timmay?
Their opinion anchors are batshit stupid; Hannity, Kilmeade, Ingraham, etc.
But their news side is ok. Chris Wallace has done fine work, and Shep Smith is constantly and rightly critical of Trump.
If you follow any ideology to strictly, you are opening a door to fanaticism, or extremism, which blinds y/our own senses to where the truth lies, and what you can do about it.
If you hold up anyone on mainstream media as independent, you simply fall into a rigid belief system that is supported 24/7 with talking points pushed by the corporate government partisan spin doctors…
On both sides of the spectrum.
Calling anyone Stupid, Brian, is simply shallow water swimming, and you sling that word around like you hold the credentials of veritas.
Work harder on identifying your own bias in the conversation. This program is creating enemies out of neighbors and families which is further amplifying the tension and real trauma which is preventing a rational conversation about the
#ROOT CAUSE
of these issues.
If you haven’t already listened, I highly recommend that interview with Norman Dodd on tax exempt foundations.
We can learn much more about our current state of affairs by looking at the bigger picture as it plays out at the local level.
Stand with good people in your community to make a difference.
#FIGHT THE POWER
CHUCK D
PUBLIC ENEMY.
#truth
Just took a look at the advertising that dropped tucker. ….good riddance.
MONKEY NEWS…
Crapp food and services advertising on crapp news segments.
MONKEY play…
Sick and tired of wag the dog by the corporate office white washing any semblance of real journalism.
Monkey SHOW…
Who is to say that the narrative being pushed by the MSM is even on THE MONKEY’S best interests?
Monkey see…
Monkey buy!
Monkey see…
Monkey Buy!
Don’t get the monkeys worried about the GMOS in the bananas, or that they now will need a permit to collect said bananas, or that if monkeys dam a stream to water banana trees, they will most assuredly get abated, and finally, a posse of 20 leo supremists will show up to take every last Phuking banana….from those damn stupid monkeys.
#RISE OF THE APES
~smart is almost always labeled “Mental Illness” in the huddling masses of group-think.
In Galileo’s lifetime, all celestial bodies were thought to orbit the Earth. Supported by the Catholic Church, teaching opposite of this system was declared heresy in 1615.
In 1616, he was summoned to Rome and warned not to teach or write about this controversial theory. But in 1632, believing that he could write on the subject if he treated it as a mathematical proposition, he published work on the Copernican system. He was found guilty of heresy, and was placed under house arrest for the remaining nine years of his life.
“I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.” –Galileo
https://www.space.com/15589-galileo-galilei.html
Isn’t it ironic?
Now you “dont know” if the Earth is round and you spread videos from flat earthers who photoshop and distort images so you can pay the church of fear and BS even more homage!
Again, it’s easy to differentiate “crazy” from “smart”.
Crazy is saying the Supertanker didnt fight the CA fires when there are videos of it doing just that.
Crazy is saying thousands were killed in the Camp Fire as an Agenda 21 plot.
No mistaking what crazy is.
That’s just plumb evil what they did to him, just for having a broader view than the ‘controller’s’. Almost as evil as what they did to the kid who was shot at that school and then went on a mission to expose the psychotropic drugs. Michael Moore was also on that same trail until he decided to go with the political nonsense instead. Remember Mark Taylor, the first kid who was shot at that school? Here’s one update, I hope to run across more. (crap, they now have an ‘age limit’ requirement to watch it. It might be on other platforms though).
Mark Taylor’s fight FOR that school that starts with a C. Update
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH7m-YNApU4
oh yes, and I’m sure we all still remember this video of Holder saying we must brainwash everyone into fearing the 2A. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYyqBxD-3xw
Man’s law: Thou shalt not believe, say, do, anything we do not grant you the privilege/right of believing, saying or doing. Now step in line.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
adding:
Summary of video: “shooting victim Mark Taylor is being forcefully drugged and held under psychiatric detention after years of activism against the Big Pharma companies that made the drugs believed to have sent the shooters into their psychotic rage.”
The video though, really exposes his predicament. He went from strong, caring and adamant into a resemblance of vegetable.
Actually Shak, Psycotropic Drugs, mostly forced upon the youth, is actually a very big issue, To me.. It’s really out of bounds! It is!
I know, right! Getting the word out is worth being trded on, which is why I keep bringing it up when it fits the topic in any way. Thank you for being strong enough to step forward about it too.
Awareness is half the battle.
Justice for Mark Taylor!
Payback is a bitch.
That’s how they deal with the stubborn ones.
~not going to see any YouTube until Leon comes out from 101 Net Link to restore whatever PG&E phukked up today. Amazing how the less-than-human always choose a Friday, Saturday or Sunday to turn the power off –short-changes my Saturday morning Dane Wigington broadcast :-((
Sid 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍
Crazy is posting links to Columbine molestation rumors and links to crisis actors after school shootings.
Crazy is saying Agenda 21 wants us to evacuate wildfires on bicycles, not cars.
Big difference between smart and crazy.
I think that train has left the station, Brian. The only thing you are looking for
.. is a fight in the shallow end of the pool.
Unless you have first hand knowledge, or have the appropriate security clearance, you will truly never know what is going on outside of your search engine results.
It’s as if focusing on fighting / battling those who believe there are real conspiracies happening in the world, labeling those with a psychosis or a psychological disorder , paranoia, etc is not the solution to our problems.
We all appreciate when you resonate at the higher frequencies, but you fail yourself, and others, by name calling and pushing divisive
labels on the truth seekers.
There’s plenty of real shit to talk about.
There is a psychological operation being conducted, and the question is whether or not you comprehend who benefits.
#Qui Bono.
#ScratchedRecord
Hilarious!
I dont need a search engine to know laser planes didn’t secretly light Redding or Paradise on fire …
in the draught of summer!
Hahaha. Oh, that would be funny.
I dont need a search engine to know Sandy Hook was real!
Posting links to easily debunked fraudsters with outrageous claims does not qualify as truth seeking, Sid.
There’s plenty of valuable information being presented here.
There’s a community under seige, with very expensive Agency participation, with Automatic weapons and destruction of property and stolen assets from unarmed people.
It sounds like you support militarization of our agencies and the confiscation of individual property, under the color of law.
I think you missed the point of my post. You don’t have absolute proof one way or the other, do you?
How could you.
You rely on human intelligence, and we all know how that worked out for 911 engineers for truth.
Would you have thought Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman in Dallas Texas, in 1963? I’m betting you would be calling people conspiracy theorists for talking about the edited Zapruder Film, or how many people had their film and cameras taken away and never returned.
Let alone eye witness reports of gunshots coming from everywhere else but the book depository.
Imagine…?
I’m sure you are familiar with space based weapons, and aware that they’ve had the technologies that you can’t Google.
I’m sure you learned that there’s still a lot of information that was withheld from the American people as to the perpetrators of 911.
What I’m pointing out, is that no one has posted anything to do with sandy hook, lasers, or flat earth for a long time, yet you fail to recognize they have long refuted your accusations that they believe in flat earth.
Just because you feel healthy , doesn’t mean you don’t have something that a complete blood panel, saliva test would show a trained doctor. You don’t know that you are most likely deficient in zinc, unless you are looking at your results and are trained what to look for.
My point, is that you keep bringing up your stupid rant that no one cares about, while calling other people stupid and retarded because they are sharing information that you feel is rooted in a paranoid psychological mental state.
I don’t know if you truly believe the world is in balance right now, but it sounds like your bias is preventing you from learning anything new from people who have posted information that sheds light on the public private partnership, you refuse to acknowledge, except by calling Agenda 21 a “stupid conspiracy”.
You completely negate your veritas when you start fights in the shallow end of the pool, by name calling.
Watch /listen to The Norman Dodd interview and give me a grown up perspective on what you heard.
I’ve been waiting for you to respond to something other than your safe space stupid name calling that you think anyone cares about.
#Root cause
#dig deeper
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Sid,
~you have the patience of Job.
I really want him to understand what we are truly up against. It’s easier to use his tactics against him, but that is not how we can get past the hurdle of how the system is used to divide people.
I truly believe that we need more people in the good fight, and he represents a true paradigm in the middle of the path to awakening to the challenges we all face with the illusion we have bought into.
I’m trying to get through his programming and to ask him what his own goals are. And whether or not he sees the world in the same state as many of us here.
We are definitely all bozos on this bus, I’m just working on letting go of my own expectations about what others think.
I am grateful for the opportunity to learn from others along this bumpy road.
Hey….just started raining. …
Is that a sign? ?
Much love for all that you share and teach, CHO!
Where would any of us be without the patience of Ms Kemp!?
Sid,
I read one paragraph and then pass your next 16 of them.
Your really long winded and unfocused.
Try making a point with 3 sentences.
I’m not afraid of long reads. I do them everyday.
I just stick to reading people who know what focus, attention and evidence are.
Life is short.
I dont waste time with reading diatribes from people who watch videos from flat earthers.
Ha Ha! I’ve definitely sent out a couple before coffee- Thanks for all you do, Kym (except when I want to fight you)!
Good luck out there, I’m in Okla. Southern Oregon, northern California used to be a paradise to visit,,hike bike, wander the coastal towns, meet the coolest people.
Haven’t been back in 2years, have no plans to return, gotten to dangerous, homelessness is outta control, drugs are everywhere. I wish u luck,but it seems the folks that don’t contribute to the community, or refuse to earn an honest wage, do all the damage.
~in case you have not seen this, it’s from a woman who lives on a small horse ranch in Western Colorado and is married to a former US Marine.
Her son was a US Marine and there are other US Marines + one USAF grandson in her family tree, but evidently she is the only singer.
This lady has a really good voice, and she’s using it… and a really good idea!
Takin’ Back Our Country (Let Us Help You Pack)
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ x2G3wGVAnlQ 3 mins.
I enjoyed that, thanks for posting.
Your link didn’t work, but bc you posted the title, it was easy to find.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2G3wGVAnlQ
~i knew something was wrong with that link.
Thanks for the right one.
No problem.
Have you seen/heard Christi’s song/video called Sovereign? She might be a Brit, but her heart is all american in this song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EekyM9zcToo
I wish somebody would do a remake of Brown’s song “get up offa that thing’.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNlrIHWLAFA
and say “Get up out of that box!”.
“The several States are in various degrees addicted to agriculture and commerce. In most, if not all of them, agriculture is predominant. In a few of them, however, commerce nearly divides its empire, and in most of them has a considerable share of influence. In proportion as either prevails, it will be conveyed into the national representation; and for the very reason, that this will be an emanation from a greater variety of interests, and in much more various proportions, than are to be found in any single State, it will be much less apt to espouse either of them with a decided partiality, than the representation of any single State.” — From the New York Packet.
Tuesday, February 26, 1788.
HAMILTON
Federalist papers #60
Addicted to agriculture and commerce.
Back then, the main crops were Hemp, Tobacco, Corn, Cotton, Wheat, …
I wonder where the cough syrup & coca-cola ingredient was grown. Anybody know?
I wonder what the Anti-Federalist papers had to say about Hamilton’s take on it.
I can’t even get the growers on the dirt road I live on to maintain it, so getting them to buy a tax stamp. LOL/ROG.