Small and Sweet: Shelter Cove Protesters Marched Yesterday

Before the protest started people worked on their signs.

Before the protest started people worked on their signs. [All photos by Alexandra Hootnick]

A small group met yesterday in Shelter Cove to protest police brutality and the killing of George Floyd. This was the second protest to occur in the area, the first happening last Wednesday and drawing more than 20 people, according to organizer Dora Lee whose family lives in the remote watershed on the Lost Coast.

The protest, made up of community members from Shelter Cove along with Briceland and Whitethorn areas, began and ended at the lighthouse by route of Lower Pacific Drive to Upper Pacific Drive. A runner passing the group on Lower Pacific Drive shouted, “You guys are awesome!” More than a dozen people driving past honked, raised fists, and shouted in support of the protest.

Lee explained why she helped organize the march, “…I figured in a small community like Shelter Cove why can’t it happen here, especially in a predominately white community. I think it’s even more important for it to happen here so that people feel safe in this community…[W]hether or not we see racial injustice in Shelter Cove, it’s here.”

The COVID-19 quarantine has kept people separated, she explained. “It’s been kind of easy to fall into your routine and you’re physically isolated so it’s easy to kind of block out the outside world, but I think now people can’t ignore whats happening in the US so it’s a good opportunity for people to get out and do something that’s positive for the country and the world and help the black community as much as possible.”

 

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DawnI
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DawnI
6 years ago

I love this because I like to live by the tenant pf “Think Globally, Act Locally”.
The natural resouces being saved by these folks walking in their own neighbrhood is as important as the other ideals they are walking for today.

Hadtocomment
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Hadtocomment
6 years ago

Reminds me of a song I learned when I was in Kindergarten. Jesus Loves Me. You know. “Black or yellow, red or white…..” Yes, black lives matter. But so does all human life.
I am tired of the lecture on racism. I am tired of the violence. I am tired of assholes in every culture, organization, country, etc.
I have a plea to the black community. Please. Make what’s going on in your culture not ok. You know what I mean.
What is going on right now is only making it worse. And will create more racism. Please.

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?
6 years ago
Reply to  Hadtocomment

Your totally part of the problem, wannabe Sherlock. Your ignorance screams you didn’t absorb the content of your childhood song.

Ignorance?
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Ignorance?
6 years ago
Reply to  ?

Ignorance is thinking only black people were slaves. The first slave owner in the USA was a black man. In today’s times there are no slaves in USA that are black. However no one speaks about the human trafficking that is currently a slaving problem, most of those missing people are not black.
Rewriting history is not in the best interest of Americans.

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  Ignorance?

The first known slave owner was black. His name was Johnson. When he “died in 1670, his race was used to justify giving his plantation to a white man rather than Johnson’s children by his wife, Mary. He was “not a citizen of the colony,” a judge ruled, because he was black.” https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/horrible-fate-john-casor-180962352/

There are many terrible injustices in the world. Human trafficking is one. That’s our modern term for slavery. I’m unclear what is the majority race of those who are its victims but there are other injustices where black people are cruelly used by our system. It really is okay to point that out.

Guest
Guest
Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  Ignorance?

Re ignorance…. you’ve gotta be kidding, the comparison is astronomical. Have you actually researched the huge difference in the treatment of enslaved? You sound like a hypocritical narcissist. Nothing compares to the scale and brutality. Leopold alone murdered/genocide 15 million Congolese.

Guest
Guest
Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  ?

The angry little virtue signalers are the divisive elements- the ones who assume they are as so much better that they have authority to lecture everyone else what they must think. 99% of the people who are on the receiving end of this harassment already do think that black lives matter. They also have the nerve to think their own lives matter too.

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  Guest

There are virtue signalers of all types. Some are just signalling their “virtue” to a different group.

Ma
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Ma
6 years ago
Reply to  Hadtocomment

“ your culture “ comment is the problem. We need solidarity not separation.

As if
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As if
6 years ago
Reply to  Hadtocomment

Of the nearly 3000 homicides of black males in 2017, 2400 were committed by–wait for it—fellow blacks.

Will they get it, and go home and fix the bad habit of murdering one another? No.

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  As if

Dang, we see a problem where the state is oppressing and murdering a people and think it should be changed. You say hey, don’t look at that problem. It isn’t valid because some members of those people oppressed by the state do terrible things…

Don’t worry that George Floyd was murdered while community members begged for his life while a officer of the state knelt casually on his neck clearly not afraid that he would be reprimanded even for doing this. But you don’t want anyone to point this out. You want everyone to pull their attention from that to note there’s another problem (incidentally a problem that may be partially caused by the problem we’re concerned about).

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I haven’t found one person that doesn’t think Floyd was murdered.
The cops that did it have been arrested and charged.
Protests have been held for weeks.

How long do we need to “worry” about it?
A month? A year? The rest of our life?

When the article about the guy wearing the white power shirt was posted
almost everyone was against him so I don’t see a huge Black Lives matter problem in Humboldt.

2 people were shot last night in CHOP, both black one died one condition not known. Emergency crews were prevented from entering to assist by protestors.

A the rate we are tearing down our Country NO LIVES WILL MATTER.

But wear your mask!

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Do you think the officer really killed him intentionally? Like a real murder?

Or do you think it was bad training, bad technique, high stress situation, and he went too far trying to stop a man resisting arrest?

Do you think it’s possible that the struggle in the back of the car was Floyd resisting?

Do you think being an officer in an inner city USA is high stress?

Do you think we should wait for an investigation and trial….or just assume it’s murder?

I thought we are all innocent until proven guilty.

I though journalist used the term “Alleged Murderer”, because it is presumptuous to think you are a better judge than the Criminal Justice System.

Do you have enough facts to judge this man beyond reasonable doubt, or are you championing mob justice?

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  Who Cares

WC, In the comment section, I speak not neutrally like I do in articles. I watched the video of George Floyd’s death and judged I’d watched a murder. The DA thought the same thing. If I were writing an article, I’d give the officer the benefit of the doubt. But I see no reason why a man who is totally subdued without fight, handcuffed with officers kneeling on him needs to have an officer kneel on his neck for even one minute no matter what he might have done in the vehicle. Officers are not supposed to be executioners.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Well I don’t think it’s reasonable (at all) to assume that the officer intentionally tried to kill him. Seems like a reasonable person would admit that maybe there was a heated struggle in the back of the car, and after that the officer might have “held” his “hold” too long. Bad training, bad application of force, bad situations. Seems like manslaughter is a reasonable possibility.

Totally unreasonable for you to be an Armchair Quarterback and judje an officer, an officer who goes to work in an extremely dangerous environment to do a tough job and risk his life every day.

Fuck yes he deserves a trial before we judge him. Fuck this lynch mob media armchair quarterback bullshit.

Right? Why did they pull him out of the police cruiser
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Right? Why did they pull him out of the police cruiser
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

The DA initially charged him with 3rd degree murder . Minnesota is an exception in that it has 3rd degree, which is essentially involuntary or voluntary manslaughter in other states
Then they added both second-degree murder and 2nd degree manslaughter charges (involuntary or voluntary.)

First-degree murder was never on the table as it always has to have the intention, premeditation and planning, “mens rea.”

Negligent homicide/ manslaughter are more apt descriptions of what happened in mpls. And the broad charges levied by the DA reflect what we all know will likely happen ; they will plead out to lesser charges .

Prepare yourself .

Justice is the whopping 14.6 million in go fund me windfall . They exceeded their 1.5 million goal by 13 justice-filled million$.??????

interesting
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interesting
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Good point but maybe not fully fleshed out. It is true that we can work on fixing BOTH the issue of police brutality AND problems internal to black American culture. However it can also be revealing that we are focusing on the issue which kills far fewer back males. What exactly it reveals to us is complicated and doesn’t fit neatly into modern political dynamics.

That said, the commenter did not make the argument that this issue does not matter because the black community faces an (arguably) much bigger issue when it come to the murder of black Americans. It is valid to point out that internal violence in the black the black community is not being addressed, and if the concern here is the loss of black lives (it should be) then they have a valid point as well.

It is quite sad that people are not trying to end police brutality against all Americans, even though much of the 18% difference in per capita deaths at the hands of police that we see between white and black Americans, can be attributed to cultural attitudes concerning how one should interact with an LEO. (now should we have to watch our p’s and q’s when dealing with an LEO for fear of death? Of course not but we know that is the case, and it applies strongly across race. The old trope that white people mouth off to LEO’s while Black people are on their best behavior is completely counter to reality.)

Black American definitely need help, but we can be most effective at helping if we are honest about the problems facing them. MUCH of the problems they face are due to historical racism, a bit is due to contemporary racism (although modern day immigrants from African nations do quite well, as do many other ethnicities that we must assume face similar levels of discrimination) and a great deal is due to popular cultural features (which can also be largely attributed to historical racism).

I think we should identify, and support back community leaders to encourage cultural shifts, end any remnants of red-lining, reform police tactics (for the sake of all people), increase funding for public schools, make lobbying illegal entirely, overturn citizens united, reinstate Glass- Steagall, and work to increase economic equality for all. I think the primary form of inequality, and the cause of persistent poverty is economic inequality. Therefore we can best reduce or eliminate other binaries of inequality via economic reform.

Now of course most people will immediately dismiss what I’ve written based on their assumption of my race. That being the case, I want to say that the opinion I’ve expressed here is actually that of many black community leaders who need our support.

In the meantime, we are doing the right thing in using the current situation to push for reform on an important topic. I think there would be more support for this movement is it was more often framed in an inclusive manner though.

As if
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As if
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

…”you don’t want anyone to ….. You want everyone to…..”

Nah. And telling others what they think is uncreative ; I feel slightly attacked. Try some Socrates .

It’s not news that Blm is a racist movement. It pits blacks against everyone else .

It’s obvious to many that if black lives REALLY matter, the murder rate within their own communities would be worthy of protest . Why isn’t the loss of so many at the hands of their own brothers worthy of marches, and vigils and mandates, and lots of special attention to remediate it?

It’s not. Because they actually don’t care about their own behavior . And they have sycophant followers that give them free reign to slaughter each other because somehow historical racism gives one permission to openly lack moral character.

Pointing out the egregious, nay, criminal behavior of the officers in the death of Floyd George isn’t anything that needs to be done over and over ! No one, including me, will disagree that what happened was wrong .

Does that make the cop racist? Cops kill lots of ppl in custody . And if you bother to compare the stats you’ll learn it’s the black cop that is more likely to have a fatal interaction with a black suspect .

What happened in mpls is a police problem (transecting addiction.)

POC have gotten into the habit of making absolutely EVERYTHING about race , it is a boring blame game absolving every black person who needs it, from taking responsibility for their own behavior .

Here’s a phenomenon I find intriguing:

“Black immigrants are more educated and economically successful than African Americans. ”

Why is that?
Maybe it’s not skin after all . Maybe it’s character .

Muhammad Ali allegedly anti-BLM and pro Trump post mortem… \/

https://www.dailywire.com/news/muhammad-alis-son-my-dad-wouldnt-have-supported-racist-black-lives-matter-wouldve-supported-trump

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  As if

Maybe it’s not skin after all….

Maybe it’s not character…

Maybe it’s a culture–all our culture. You and others like you keep wanting to divorce what has happened to an entire people with how they react. It doesn’t work that way.

Slavery
Jim Crow
Stealing wealth from black communities like during the Tulsa Massacre
Drug laws that systematically sent a number of black people to prison as the laws are unevenly enforced with blacks being stopped more frequently, having less contraband but being sent to prison more often than whites and thus ripping apart families and further depressing the chance to grow wealth.
Forbidding much peaceful protest even among wealthy black men at ease in the white culture like Colin K’s

All of those contribute to people enraged and like all other races they kill those they are most around—other black people.

You want to act like blacks are inferior and more violent. Then literally point to blacks from other areas that come here acting differently and think the problem is one of character…that makes me shake my head.

(As to being attacked, you and I are honest with each other over our opinions. I don’t see you being gentle with me over mine. Doesn’t mean I don’t like you. Means I think you are very wrong.)

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

All the real civil rights heros would be disgusted with these anarchist clowns.

MLK worked so hard to make the movement non-,violent, and based on equality for all. No way he’d support these racist BLM fools

As if
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As if
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Aw no..I don’t have an opinion –gentle or otherwise- about your “opinions.” If you are taking my observations on these issues personally and chose to do my inventory for me and decide you can clearly define what I think, or what I want, and are even emboldened to tell me , I feel ya on the head shakes!

If one is only preaching to the choir why bother preaching.

Do you want an echo chamber or thoughtful exchange ?

Your discomfort with data or differing perceptions and experience that readers bring to the discussion, is hardly a legitimate reason to make assumptions or launch personal attacks . Or is it? Cuz you’re still all, “You want to act like … ” “You and others like you are.. ..”

Sounds pretty black and white to me . Pun intended

Guest
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6 years ago
Reply to  As if

As-if…. are you having a psychotic episode? Feeling insecure? what’s this have anything to do with the article? Fail to research your local murders and crime statistics or just find something to fit your narrative? Most crime is based on proximity, white on white crime, Asian on Asian crime etc. The local black community commits an extremely low number of crime, if there’s some crime by an African American in Humboldt, it’s almost always a non-local. The local white community on the other hand, is another story. Majority of the local black community is on average, more educated and financially stable than the average white person, most work after graduating from HSU.

As if
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As if
6 years ago
Reply to  Guest

My comment was in conversation with Had To Comment . They made a valid request : Make what’s going on in your culture not ok. You know what I mean..
It’s the sheer volume . It’s not white cops killing young black men en masse. It’s their own black brothers.

Each life matters . Or does it?

furies
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furies
6 years ago
Reply to  As if

NOPE

Only Rich People Matter, silly.

Growbro
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Growbro
6 years ago
Reply to  Hadtocomment

Jesus was lynched by white people

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
6 years ago
Reply to  Growbro

People came clear down out of the Caucasus Mountains to lynch Jesus. Just can’t trust Those white people.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago

LOL!!

I needed a laugh Ernie!

Charlie
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Charlie
5 years ago
Reply to  Hadtocomment

Clearly you miss the point.

MikeyC
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MikeyC
6 years ago

I think the point has gotten across. I’d rather see the protestors time be spent educating young black kids in STEM subjects. All the rights in the world won’t fix the problem if they don’t actually have the skills to hold high paying jobs and build wealth.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
6 years ago
Reply to  MikeyC

Yeah, because they’re all stupid and uneducated.
Like a huge segment of the white population.

Guest
Guest
Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Just the ones who confuse the freedom to talk trash with the freedom to accomplish something.

Guest
Guest
Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Most of you have serious mental health problems. Get a life and stop projecting your miserable hateful mentality… non-native mass-murdering genocidal land-stealing immigrant colonialist descendants.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Well, we can’t all be sane smart, loving, and kind like you.
LOL

So you don’t have ANY family roots from another country?

Guest
Guest
Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  MikeyC

Re MikeyC: doesn’t sound like you actually know local black people in Humboldt. Most of them are educated and work… rarely in the crime section. Majority of black people I know in Humboldt are good people, work, college graduates or enrolled at HSU. I recently overheard two young black females discussing their A vs B grades in Chemistry. Stop projecting your miserable hateful mentality and get a life weirdo. Besides, education or $ have zero influence on racism/hate/bigotry. It wasn’t until very recently that non-white people could even get an education. Look at pictures of lynchings, they were the business owners in suits.

Guest
Guest
Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Most in America by far were of African Americans but there are a number of immigrants, gang members, religious (Joseph Smith was lynched)- even a few women. Lynching is an action by self righteous groups who feel they should be judges and executioners, entertaining no doubts about their judgements. Which should be an education to everyone about spewing judgement based on irrelevant but emotional transference. Unfortunately it doesn’t seem to work like that.

MikeyC
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MikeyC
6 years ago
Reply to  Guest

My comment was not directed at local Humboldt black people, and not at the issues of rights either, rather the issue of general oppression which you would probably agree is happening (and I would agree with). We all see that there are some biases in the police department, but fixing those simply isn’t going to solve the countless other ways by which people say black people are oppressed these days (banking practices, incrimination rates). Countless business owners say they have a hard time hiring black people in high skilled jobs, not because they’re racist, but simply because they don’t receive black applicants. I myself have hired for these positions and saw the same. I truly want black people to be hired in those positions, and I truly want black people to build wealth in America (which I think will solve a lot of the other issues which people see as black oppression in America. i.e. discriminatory banking, crime rates, even police prejudice), but it’s not going to happen without increasing the education level of black people as a whole, to where they can fill the high-paying jobs. There are a million stats which would show you black people are not getting educated to the same degree. Irrespective of the reasons for that lack of education, it’s simply not happening. All I am saying is, if you really care about black people, there are probably better ways to contribute than going along with the group think and outrage crews, and protesting a case which 100% of people think is blatant police brutality.

Look outside your myopic Humboldt world view for a second, which is of course not remotely representative of black people as a whole, stop seeing facts as offensive, and then you will be better equipped to solve issues in this world.

Ma
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Ma
6 years ago

I’m proud and greatly surprised to see this demonstration in Shelter Cove. The silence of the white majority speaks louder than you realize.

To assume that the African American community brought this racism onto themselves is an incredibly ignorant comment. White supremacy is a sign of brain damage, I feel sorry for you. WTFU

Not only black people were slaves.
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Not only black people were slaves.
6 years ago
Reply to  Ma

Did you know that there was Irish, and Asian slaves too. The term Shanghai came from enslaving drunk healthy men at pubs, bars or saloons to ships that would not be back for years.
What about the anti Irish climbing fence.
All lives matter!

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago

Dang, what is it about pointing out a problem that other people feel like they need to point out problems they find more compelling?

If your friend comes up and says “hey, I have brain cancer,’ do you say, “Did you know that Mary broke her leg?” Or do you stop a moment and say, “That’s terrible. What can I do to help?”

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

If you want to help maybe invite a black family over for dinner.
Send a black man a fathers day gift …I did. Mentor a black child on a skill you have.

Or march around with a sign saying look at ME I’m so not racist.

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

You can feel that your small private acts of humanity are healing the world. (I agree) Others feel the need to make their feelings known to others.

The pressure of the protests are making changes in the world. It’s hard to know which is most effective. But sneering at others for expressing their concern another way than you would…I’m pretty sure that isn’t helpful at all.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Really Kym?
You seem so intent on judging me. I didn’t sneer at protestors I stated little acts of love are more powerful that tearing down history we can all learn from.
There is a lot of tearing things up in the name of black lives matter but very little building something worth having.

Yes there is some racism, there has also been a lot of progress to eliminate it.

Who speaks to the progress?

Who speaks to pay it forward with a little act of love & kindness.

For that you think I’m sneering? I’m pointing out that there are other more productive ways. Like showing you care instead of parading for attention. ” Others feel the need to make their feelings known to others ” That may sooth their feelings but what doe’s that actually DO for a black person?

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

If you insist that your statement about protesters who have a passion for subject as people who are “march[ing] around with a sign saying look at ME I’m so not racist,” as not sneering…then we aren’t having an honest discussion. And I don’t have time for that.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I understand your time constraints.

I really don’t see what they are trying to accomplish, You consider it sneering I consider it, pointing it out as silliness and self indulgent with zero results to sooth there own feelings.

Much of my dismay with Dems has been since Trump was elected they have given up logic and replaced it with feelings. Feelings change, truth, logic and facts do not, no matter how hard you try to tear them down or destroy them.

The protests around the country have been destructive, I would be for them if they were constructive.

You can’t bully or shame people into loving other people.
Love is something you give freely because you have it to give.

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Oh…not sneering…just pointing out the silliness and self indulgent behavior.

Narfside
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Narfside
6 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

God dang. Everybody is on defensive mode. Can’t say anything nice without someone reading into it too much thinking it means something else than the point you were trying to get across. As community we should have each others backs no matter what. Keep racism out of the triangle you dig. All lives matter ?

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Oh they’ll make changes all right. Watch as the issue moves away from racism, toward anti American….this is not about race….it’s about starting an anti American revolution.

The hatred of our founding fathers, and flag burning has already started. You’ll see, in time, when it’s too late.

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  Who Cares

Damn, I thought protest was as American as apple pie. I feel like folks that want to stop people marching about stating their concerns are against the spirit of America much more than someone who burns some cloth which is a symbol of our many high standards but is only a symbol.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I couldnt care less about PROTESTORS.

These BLM fools are openly Marxist….burning, smashing, destroying, murdering.

Why do you call these violent revolutionary fools “protestors”?

( Obviously I don’t care about some kids in the cove. I’m concerned with the big picture USA.)

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  Who Cares

Big picture–hundreds of thousands of protesters and a few looters and destroyers. You want to focus on only the ones who are doing wrong. If you don’t mind the protesting but just mind the looters and rioters, point that out. Otherwise, it looks like you are upset that people are walking around and carrying signs.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Aren’t your nice protestors pointing out a few bad cops?
Those few looters are doing a lot of damage, including driving businesses and residents out of minority areas.

Lets narrow the discussion until only the left can have an opinion, and only the right can say or do anything wrong.

How many dead and shot in CHOP now?

Meanwhile we don’t dare discuss the shootings just this weekend in Chicago.

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

I think the protesters are pointing out a system that allows bad cops to get away with murder–literally murder. Not only black people have been the victims of this but good cops, and Hispanics and whites, etc, too.

And no one is stopping you from discussing the dead in CHOP or the shootings in Chicago.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Kim. This entire movement is openly funded,provoked,and organized by BLM. BLM is openly Marxist, and anti American. These people are burning and destroying the very idea of America….the same America that gives them the rights to Democratic process, and the ability to make changes non violently. These violent actors are NOT separate from the BLM, BLM encourages, funds, and trains the violent anarchist.

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  Who Cares

The closest I can find to your idea that they are Marxists in the BLM Guiding Principals is this:
“We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, and especially “our” children to the degree that mothers, parents and children are comfortable.”

Similar to that other bastion of Marxist thought, the Bible: “Let everyone who possesses two shirts share with him who has none, and let him who has food do likewise.” (Luke: 3; 11)

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

You’ve seen the video right Kim?…BLM co founder admits the organization is openly Marxist, and seeks the removal of a democratically elected President….

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

https://youtu.be/kCghDx5qN4s

BLM Co-Founder Reveals They Are Trained Marxists

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Yes, you are right. That is something I hadn’t heard before.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

What?

People of all color get cancer. People of all colors are victimized by the system.

What’s really happening now is akin to:

Black persons cancer is more important than other people’s cancer.

B.S., All lives matter.

Kym Kemp
Admin
6 years ago
Reply to  Who Cares

No. It’s saying, ‘Look there are a lot of evils in this world but right now I want to talk about this one (which I have a lot of evidence of)’ and you immediately say, “Yeah, well there is a lot of injustice in the world.”

No one is saying that there aren’t other evils. Black people are just saying, “Hey, there’s this terrible thing happening and you just saw this part of it when George Floyd was killed. I want to talk about it.” And you are shutting down the conversation by saying, “So there are other things that are wrong and we’re only going to talk about the ones that matter to me, not the ones that matter to you.”

Literally, you are saying, “Who cares about your people’s suffering under injustice…I don’t want to talk about it.”

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

No. I’d love to talk about it….but that’s hard when the “protestors” are violent, angry, and refuse to allow a conversation.

I want to talk about problems, victims, injustice of all colors. Leave the black part out, African American are not victimized because they’re black, it’s because they are poor. And they are poor because we failed, and allowed our real economy, and all those jobs to be outsourced to Slave Wage Labor Nation’s. All colors are victims of globalization’s…with African Americans hit particularly hard, because of their socio economic status.

Racism isn’t a the problem here. It’s the selling out of the American Working Class.

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
6 years ago
Reply to  Who Cares

You make some very accurate and good points.

//Racism isn’t a the problem here.// What is the problem?

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Rod Gass

Last August, CNN published a moving feature on inner-city Baltimore by their enterprise writer, John Blake. In it, he describes the story of an unlikely Trump voter: his late, 91-year-old African American father who provided for his family with “a well-paying job, with union benefits, as a merchant marine.”

Blake paints a vivid portrait of his childhood memories in what was once known as “The Greatest City in America”:

The community I grew up in during the 1970s and ’80s was full of men and women like my father. Many of them had blue-collar jobs at places like the Bethlehem Steel plant or the Domino Sugar plant in the city’s inner harbor. They proudly purchased big Chevy Impalas, kept their homes in impeccable condition and had crab cookouts in their backyards.

Today, however, the city is in dire straits. Blake describes his family neighborhood in West Baltimore as an “economic wasteland,” noting that “Those stable, career jobs have now been replaced with minimum-wage service jobs and temp work.”

End quote

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
6 years ago
Reply to  Who Cares

Thanks and I clearly agree with your point. Where have all the good jobs gone? Are they blowin’ in the wind?

No, they still exist just gone somewhere else. Globalization.

And our payback for making paychecks happen to leave the USA? We’re all, everyone seeing the benefit. Profits for corp America. Screw Americans who created those jobs.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Rod Gass

Yep. USA jobs provide minimum wages. OSHA workers protections, EPA environmenal protection, and the right to unionize and collectively bargain. If we want the benefits of the American Labor/ American Blue Collar jobs, we cannot allow products made by slave wage nations on American shelves, in American stores.

Slave Wages will undercut decent working conditions Everytime. We cannot continue allowing slave wage goods to compete with goods made by American Workers.

FUCK Globilization

furies
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furies
6 years ago
Reply to  Who Cares

Hey WhoCares

You might like viewing a program the Hill puts out–“Rising” with Crystal Ball (liberalish) and Saagar Enjeti (conservativish). They do tend to focus on DC politics, but both of them very much advocate for the working class. Interviews with various outside journalists add to the lively discussions.

I find it encouraging that this format seems to be gaining in popularity. The two ‘sides’ have a lot in common it turns out.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising

Mike
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Mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Ma

So if y’all are definantly against systemic racism In the police force that means you won’t be voting for Biden, right? Since he drafted the Violent Crime Control and Enforcement Act In 1994 which has targeted black communities for 25 years? The guy who helped create the system is running for president, there’s your white privelage right there

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Biden is a terrible candidate but he’s slightly better than a man who uses tear gas and batons to chase peaceful protesters against racism and, not incidentally, a rector of the church, from a church that he didn’t have permission to be at so he could hold a bible in front of it and pretend to be religious and tough on protesters for a photo op.

Guest
Guest
Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

So six people decide to parade on a sunny day in a beach location solely for the benefit of the press. And this is news? Who is the tool of whom in such a non-event?

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  Guest

They didn’t know “press” was going to be there. A photographer offered to capture the images and interview the organizer and I thought it of interest that a community so remote from the national stage nevertheless had a segment that felt compelled to join in the movement.

You don’t need to find that interesting. Really, there’s nothing that forces you to read this story or any I post including ones about eagles hatching in a remote area of Humboldt County or a crash on a remote back road. These types of stories may speak to some people as indicative of something. The people of Shelter Cove who are in large part my readers may feel that I report on issues of importance to them and you, who live somewhere else, may not care about those stories.

So, the fact that you don’t find it news is…not of much importance to me. But it amused the hell out of me to type this so I did.

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Alexandria and Kym Kemp.

I found your piece interesting and forgiving.

6 protestors marching in a far west beach town. The comparison is somehow lost to some readers here. This is the golden state where even our protests are laid-back. The Shelter Cove protest is just fine with 99% of the readers.

I’ll make note of the fact that, not one individual had on their mean face. No frowns nor ugly screams. They looked relaxed and peaceful, that’s newsworthy. If I were a dog, I’d bite my owner for using me to politicize her confusion.

Mike
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Mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

25 years of racists policies that have put ten of thousands and of African Americans into a prison system that many will never escape. And causing the deaths of thousands somehow makes him better than a man who dispersed a crowds with zero injuries for a phot op? Remember I’m not a fan of trump he’s raping racists, but so is biden, the difference is the policy’s that are being protest globally are in more than a small part is the fault of Biden aligning the Democratic Party with the police and creating the policies in 1994 that are literally the foot on the neck of the African American community, that alone should exclude him from even being allowed to run.

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  Mike

I think Biden is an appalling candidate. I even consider not voting for him regularly…until I look at Trump. There is no way I can see Biden–a weak, follow the wind candidate-as likely to have the devastating effect on this country as Trump.

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Now you’re talking good sense.

Both personalities leave a lot to be desired. The lesser of … ?

I’m trying to visualize, the presidency is now a robot, non-human, machine programmed to satisfy. It only says what is wanted. The need for a Chief Executive was previously abandoned.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Haven’t you noticed what Globilization has done to this country?

Biden will go along / get along with the globilization anti American agenda.

THAT IS MORE OF THE SAME PROBLEM THAT GOT US HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
People needs decent jobs to have a stable society. Why do you think the people in the inner city turn to crime…lack of other options.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike

The incarceration rate of Africa Americans is appropriate to their rates of participation in crime. That’s a statistical fact, not a judgements.

White, Brown, and Yellow people get locked up too…at rates appropriate to their participation in crime.

You wanna change laws, and lock up less people..cool. I have issues with the prison industrial complex too. But don’t blame the cops for enforcing existing, sometimes unjust laws, they’re just doing there job…a damn tough job in the warzones of inner city USA too.

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
6 years ago
Reply to  Who Cares

//warzones of inner city USA too.//

I think that would be the East coasters who want to be violent. MPLS tried but couldn’t muster the fight required. Seattle of course won’t be left out of the really bad news when 2 blacks get shot overnight.

The “cops” have professional leadership, military hierarchy, they’re our last best hope. Call your local cop and say “Thanks for doing all you do to make my life safe”.

I like stars
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I like stars
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Mike,

Trump and Biden are both raping racists? Link please? This seems newsworthy.

Mike
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Mike
6 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Sorry, accused. And I don’t post links but which part of which one are you not sure of? Because I thought both were well documented at this point.

I like stars
Guest
I like stars
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Oh, I understand now!

You were saying they are each both rapists and racists.

I thought the implication was that they each were raping people who were racists (which I would definitely find newsworthy).

My misunderstanding. Sorry

Mike
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Mike
6 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Hahaha. That’s a good one. Sorry I went to south fork my grammar not so good. That would be news worthy and probably more productive than what they are currently doing.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Both Biden and Hillary called Black people predators.

I personally don’t think I can judge someone else’s Christian beliefs.

I find what a young person believes is not always what they believe as they grow old.

And all true Christians know they are sinners.

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Trump–serial adulterer, liar, bankrupter of small contractors, separator of mothers from babies with no plan on how to reunite them, chaser of an elderly rector from a church that he has no permission to be at—is not a true Christian. There is no attempt to stop sinning but rather a glee, a pleasure when treating others cruelly and a continued disregard of others’ humanity that stuns me that anyone would associate with being religious.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

You must have special powers to look into someones heart.
I’ve never been to a church you needed permission to go to, have you?

Should we discuss Bill Clintons sex life? Multiple rapes charges.
I know many Christians that have married more than once.
Obama held children in cages.
His pastor is Reverend Wright who is clearly racist.
Biden sniffing and touching every female he gets close to?
Nancy the Catholic for late term abortion?

Just a little hypocritical me thinks.

Kym Kemp
Admin
6 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

I don’t have special powers to look into Trump’s heart. I do see what he does and the fruit of that tree is deformed. And yes, if I were to go stand on the property of any church (that isn’t public property), they could ask me to leave (Just yesterday I heard over the scanner, a member of a church asking for someone to be removed from the church property). And I am really damn sure that if I came in and chased out with tear gas and billy clubs, the rector of the church and the people that the rector was taking care of, I’d be arrested and charged with inciting a riot.

As to Obama and Clinton, we are not talking about them.

Now, Biden is running for president and if you want to compare his evils (there are quite a few) vs Trump’s that’s a conversation we can have.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Every POTUS has been to that church. Not allowing Trump is not only not Christian it’s clearly political.

As for clearing the area how many attempts have been made on his life?
Not counting the idiots like Kathy Griffin and Robert De Niro?

So, I don’t blame you for not wanting to discuss Obama doing the same thing you judge Trump harshly for, and Obama didn’t even have caravans of 1000’s of people headed here all at one time. In fact people were leaving do to the economy.

Well can we agree that Biden is in no shape mentally to be president?

If so who will be pulling his strings?
Hillary? some think so.
Obama? From behind the scenes of course.
Both?
Who do you think? Maybe we can discuss that person.

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Allowing someone to come to a church is not the same as sending police to clear out the rector. That never happened before and ignoring the circumstances that Trump arrived under is a pretty big blindspot.

You obviously are prepared to ignore the evil of Trump and I don’t see how a person who can claim Trump’s violent assault on a church is the same as another president’s visit to the church. I can’t really figure out how to have a discussion that is honest when you won’t be honest.

Biden is an ass and Trump is evil. I prefer the ass to the evil. Obama made some glaring mistakes that his presidency will have to bear in shame but Trump has so little redeeming qualities that I can’t think of one.

I’d be willing to listen to your efforts to explain his good points but until you can honestly note the difference between visiting a church and chasing out the rector with tear gas…I think any conversation is doomed.

Guest
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Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Until you can see that your intrepetation of events is partisan to the point of irrationality, there will be no conversation even started. You blame Trump for the actions of removing the minister as if he pointed his finger at her and told the police to get her. He denies he even ordering police to move protesters. I find that hard to believe. But your interpretation is far less believable.

Trump was angry because the church was set on fire by protesters the previous day. He wanted to make his point to the public about the wrong of doing that sort of violence. And he was oblivious to the fall out of exactly how that was to be done. That was wrong but a far cry from your claim he was a person who conducted a “violent assault on a church.” Burning the church was a violent assault that you let slide right past.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Guest,

Thank you there is no reply button under your post but I agree with you completely on this. You saved me a lot of typing.

Also the NSA, National Guard and other policing agencies responsible for the well being of any POTUS decides the best defense, It’s highly unlikely that Trump said …go gas those ( edit).

It seems all violence slides when it’s by the left.

When are we going to get around to looking at Chicago why no protests about that? And who will care when the police decide they don’t want to go there anymore?
And how long has Chicago been run by Dems?

Funny the things that AREN’T up for discussion cause it takes away from Black lives matter.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Kym,

I stated that every POTUS has been welcome at that church until Trump.

I find it odd with all the faults of all the presidents we have ever had that Trump would be the only one not worthy to go there. Especially after it was set on fire by the left.

Don’t you find that odd?

So far today you have accused me of being dishonest, changing the subject, sneering, anything else you want to accuse me of?

Have I accused you of anything?

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Kim, if I invite you to my house….when you arrive the driveway is blocked by protestors. Do we have a right to push through and clear the way for you to come to my house as a invited guest. Yes, We do. These protestors do not have the right to interfere in other people’s freedom.

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Guest, If you want to pretend that Trump isn’t responsible for the rector being forced from her Church when the rector and her community did not know he was coming and were not asked to allow him to come to their religious sanctuary, then you can. But I am not required to think that is an intellectually honest position.

If Newsom were to decide to go to a church in Sacramento, didn’t let anyone know he was coming and police under his command chased out the Open the State/anti mask people who were being tended to by the rectors of the church as well as the rector herself in order to prove he was a law and order Governor, then you would rightly blame Newsom. Newsom wouldn’t have to hit them with batons himself to be the one responsible.

Burning the church was the act of one or possibly a few people that may or may not have been protesters. I believe they likely were protesters but to my knowledge that hasn’t been proved.

BUT blaming all the protesters for the acts of other protesters they had no control over and had no knowledge of what they were doing while simultaneously not blaming Trump when he knew the protesters were at the Church and he obviously planned that photo op and law enforcement obviously moved at his orders is a stunning lack of assigning rightful responsibility to a leader of an entire nation with law enforcement at his command and trying to assign blame to an entire community based on what is at worst the actions of a few.

Mike
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Mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Did you not get the memo? Democrats are no longer supposed to talk about putting families in cages or separating them at the border because your candidate was guilty of the same thing. It easier to just ignore it than Adress that it happened under both admistrations despite Biden lying about it. Trump did do it more but that’s not really the point is it?

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  Mike

I was outraged at Obama’s treatment of those coming across the border. But to compare the outrages of the Obama administration with the willful destruction of families by the Trump administration isn’t reasonable and you should know they aren’t equivalent. We don’t always agree, Mike. But I’ve come to expect intellectual honesty from you.

Can you look up the situation under both administrations from neutral reporting and come up with an equivalency?

Mike
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Mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

You have a valid point, as I feel I do also. To compare it to something else, let’s say trump raped a woman, that’s horrible right? Let’s say biden rapes a woman but he raped her less, to me that’s the same thing. Just because you did less doesn’t make you more innocent in my book. And the border issues fell out of the media as soon as biden entered the race as a strong candidate, it’s not a coincidence. It’s a political quagmire for him, just like his ‘94 bill is. Trumps a rasicts, but Biden has enacted more racist policies than trump, or at least his policies have had a bigger impact on this country. I said as soon as trump got elected that k hoped one side effect from it would be that the Dems would be forced to ban together and put forth a candidate based on merit not his ties to the system and that didnt happen, they doubled down. Allot of Americans are just sick and tired of the political system and the lying career politicians and I’m one of them. I’d rather elect another reality tv star than biden, preferable not the same reality tv star, and that’s the biggest insult I could say to out current political system.

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike

I see no evidence of Trump being a racist. That’s just a big you know what floated by the left. Its utter nonsense. Just because you are against illegal immigration does not make you a racist. That’s where it all started. Had nothing to do with black people.

Guest
Guest
Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Really? Did you repeatedly comment on that outrage? Call Obama a brutal tyrant? Call him a liar even when he clearly was? Did you drag up the drone attacks? Rag on his indefinite imprisonment without trials and everything he did because of that outrage? Or did you let all that go by lest you find yourself not being sufficiently supportive, recognizing that there are somethings that are not so simple to the a person who has power as it is to those criticising from a keyboard?

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  Guest

I’ve evolved over time, Guest. Trump made me much more outspoken. Clinton started it. Obama furthered it (I could pull up comments criticizing him from me if you want).

I’ve become much more political than I was. But it isn’t only time but the quality of the president. Obama did many things wrong and made some terrible choices but he also did much that was right–starting with repealing Don’t Ask Don’t tell through the recovery of the economy.

Trump’s major achievement –keeping the recovery going–came on the back of decisions that reversed years of struggle to protect the environment and the public.

I didn’t like Bush one or two as president but I didn’t think they were the embodiment of evil. But Trump’s character is everything I find reprehensible in a human being.

He lies on little things that should be beneath his notice like the size of his inauguration crowds and even when proven wrong won’t acknowledge it. He makes decrees that can’t be logically carried out well and then tries to pretend they will even when they are mess like the so called Muslim ban. He is cruel to victims and those that are powerless–from mocking a crippled reporter, saying that if you are a star you get to grab women by the pussy to separating children from parents without a plan to reunite them. He doesn’t understand or respect science–pulling out of the climate accord is stunning and hurt our standing internationally. I could go on but it makes no difference because to you his crass, boorish behavior is all acceptable.

Nice
Guest
Nice
6 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Guest,
thanks,
well stated.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Globilization is the biggest destroyer of families. You need a decent economy and jobs if you want healthy families.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Democrats run CA. where we have gone from number one in education to number
forty-five.

Remind me again how that’s Trumps fault.

Kym Kemp
Admin
6 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Did I say it was? Why do you do that? We’re having one discussion and you act like we’re having another?

HotCoffee
Guest
HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

That comment was intended to the school teacher Donna’s comment.

Posted below… I posted it in the wrong place…sorry!

I’m not acting I just made a posting error.

Kym Kemp
Admin
6 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Hot Coffee, Fair enough. I’ve done that before. No worries then.

Guest
Guest
Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

But that’s what so many posters do here every hour. Object to government broad quarantine and suddenly it becomes “you want to kill my grandmother.” Or in this case , object to the shotgun blast of calling Trump “–serial adulterer, liar, bankrupter of small contractors, separator of mothers from babies with no plan on how to reunite them, chaser of an elderly rector from a church” as overheated rhetoric by equating it to totally opposite response to more favored presidential faux pas and suddenly no one is supposed to discuss anything else.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

You are going to vote for the future of the USA, at this watershed moment, based in that inconsequential act?

Wow.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

What is peaceful about lighting stores on fire after looting them?

CNN doesn’t show white people pulled from their cars and beaten,
or a 90 year old woman who was cold cocked by a black man that had been arrested over 100 times.

Or tearing down statues and defacing property.

Or shooting cops in the head.
Or 2 black men shot in CHOP last night.

and much more….

Peaceful protestors are cover for criminals.

I guess Trump should go hide and let the criminals run the country or just ask nice not to be assassinated?

Like it or not he is the POTUS.

If elected maybe Biden will hide in his basement for 4 years.

Thirdeye
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Thirdeye
6 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

CHOP, Capital Hill Ongoing Protest, formerly CHAZ, Capital Hill Autonomous Zone.

Not such a happy scene right now.

https://time.com/5856573/shooting-chop-chaz-police-seattle/

Nice
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Nice
6 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Hot coffee,
thanks for the post.

Thirdeye
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Thirdeye
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Mike,

No fan of Biden here, but your rant about the 1994 crime bill is extremely simplistic and not supported by empirical evidence. Black incarceration rates rose most dramatically before the bill was passed, roughly commensurate with the crime wave that crested in the early 1990s. The big disaster among blacks wasn’t the crime bill, it was the economic desertification of American cities dating back to the 1970s, followed by the crack cocaine epidemic. The 1990s saw remarkable progress on the crime front, with the murder rate roughly halved between 1991 and 1999. The 1990s were also a relatively good period for blacks economically, briefly reversing their economic decline that had been going on since the mid-1970s and before the decline in real income that has afflicted the entire working class for the past 20 years. That decline for the American working class affects the well-being of most blacks far more than criminal justice policy. It’s not the only issue, but it is one of the most important ones.

I frankly do not think that the supposed concern over the effects of the 1994 crime bill on black incarceration and disintegration of black families is genuine. It was raised by partisan hacks like Milo Yiannopoulos and Ben Shapiro to put Democrats playing the race card over Trump’s “law and order” stance off balance. In addition to being factually unsupported it was feigned in cheap, cynical bad faith. Democrats playing the race card hasn’t been such a great thing either, but that doesn’t make the bogus “concern” Republicans have discovered over the 1994 crime bill any better.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

Yes. The Problem IS GLOBILIZATION!!!

no decent jobs…. leads to crime…..crime leads to more interactions between police and criminals….more interactions lead to the situation with Floyd (violent criminal) and the arresting officer. If we allow the cities to become lawless war zones (we are) these tragic and unfortunate situations will only get worse.

Mike
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Mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

It is simplistic, youre right. there are a large number of other contributing factors, but all those other contributing factors arent running for president while pandering to African Americans are they? We can’t simoly vote against the CIA in November for their role in the ifflux of crack cocaine to the ghettos can we? Or vote against the DEA for the failed drug war that let gangs thrive? But Bidens crime bill was one of the largest ever passed setting the stage for mass incarceration that affected blacks at a unfair rate. There are a shitton of other factors but he is one, he is proud of being one. Systemic racism is set to be a major factor in this election, rightfully so. As such he is literally one of the architects of the current problem.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike

The people that had to move away from family and friends to find a job during the Obama years also left many people rootless.

People lost their homes while Hillary gave $5,000 speeches to Goldman Sachs.

Kamala Harris clawed back some of the money that belonged to the people that lost their homes but gave it to Jerry Brown for ??? ????

They could have bailed out the people they bailed out the banks instead …
remember?

Thirdeye
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Thirdeye
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Again, your chronology is off and the true chronology of the rise in incarceration of Blacks does not support your narrative of the 1994 crime bill.

During the 1992 campaign, one of the best things Bill Clinton said was “crime causes poverty as much as poverty causes crime,” and it resonated with Black voters. Whatever else might be said about Bill Clinton, he nailed that one. Living with the consequences of rampant crime puts a lot of Blacks outside that silo of opinion that various opportunists see them in when they try to pander to them over criminal justice issues. Bill Clinton saw through that game.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

It started in the 70’s, when American labor started being forced to compete with slave wage labor….bye bye good paying jobs to raise a family on…

Curious
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Curious
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Does an albino black person get better privilege? Just curious

Curious
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Curious
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Does an albino black person get better privilege? If I go get a tan will I lose some of my “white privilege”? Honestly curious.

Pike Mortar
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Pike Mortar
6 years ago

“Whether or not we see racial injustice, it’s here”.

If it exists, would you not see it? And if you don’t see it, how do you know it exists? What if you see something, but wrongly classify it as racism? Too many variables to make that statement.

Incidentally, I don’t think the guy with the “defund stupid” sign is on your side…

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
6 years ago
Reply to  Pike Mortar

Yeah, racism is fake news. People of color just love to pretend there has been 400 years of oppression. You and I both know there’s this big grey area where poor white folks are victimized with colored people’s reality, I mean, what’s up with that? Why should you and “hadtocomment” even have to be bothered with it all? It’s all so boring and they’re just uppity, right? ?

Willie Bray
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6 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

??Why are you here???

I like stars
Guest
I like stars
6 years ago
Reply to  Willie Bray

Some of us might wonder the same thing about you.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Yep.

Guest
Guest
Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

The point of the comment was to bring attention to the stupidity of the wording. And apparently it successful found resonance in kindred souls.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

There has been more than 400 years of racism there was racism before The USA existed.

http://www.essential-humanities.net/world-history/sub-saharan-africa/

Thirdeye
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Thirdeye
6 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Racism is not fake news. There have always been racists and when they exploit positions of power to act on their racism it’s a bad thing. “Systemic racism” is fake news. Denying equal opportunity based on race is illegal.

donna
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donna
6 years ago

Yes, all lives do matter, regardless of color. That said, black people have been getting the short end for too long. The protests go on, even though the point has been made. They go on so the point won’t be forgotten and real change made.
I taught school for many years in predominantly white schools, black schools, and Latino schools. There is a huge difference.
Get to know people of a race other than your own and you may learn that people, no matter what they look like, are just like anyone else.
Way to go, Cove Dwellers!

Ma
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Ma
6 years ago
Reply to  donna

What I find interesting is most of the dialogue I hear regarding the “black community “ is referring to low income and uneducated. Not all black people are poor and uneducated, but still are held back from equal pay, job opportunities and freedom of speech.

Do you understand the fear a person of color has to contend with before leaving the house in today’s times? Especially in a predominantly white community.

Do you really think that black people don’t live in Shelter Cove? Stop putting everyone in boxes with labels. We have to stand in solidarity for Black Lives because they matter too. We have to stand in solidarity for everyone of color. This is basic human rights and it’s just the beginning. America has a deep dark past and it’s time we confront it. Sorry it disrupts your lily white vision.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  Ma

I agree with you now lets apply those same thoughts to the police as well.
Could, would any of you want to do their job?

donna
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donna
6 years ago
Reply to  Ma

?

Thirdeye
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Thirdeye
6 years ago
Reply to  Ma

“Do you understand the fear a person of color has to contend with before leaving the house in today’s times? Especially in a predominantly white community”

You mean POC feel less fearful in a place like southside Chicago, where people live with bars over their windows and Blacks get murdered by other Blacks every day than in a coastal town in northern California, where guilty White liberal (sub)urban migrants will wring their hands over every supposed racial slight?

Do Black people really live in Shelter Cove? And Dora Lee didn’t invite any of them to her BLM march? Racist!!

Dirtnap
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Dirtnap
6 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

I think they are safer in a predominantly white neighborhood than they are in their own neighborhood for sure.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  donna

Really? How about in the SF Bay area where Black people have been victimizing Asian people at very alarming rates. How would you feel if you were a victimized Asian American and Black Lives Matter folks will not listen because now is “all about black people” time.

It’s all B.S. America is about Equality….All lives matter….The BLM movement is racist by definition of their stated ideology.

FBnative
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6 years ago

I agree with most who feel black live s matter. I feel all lives matter. However, that being said, it would be a lot easier to teach black individuals to comply with Police and not resist arrest, than change the whole country’s police system. These recent tragedies occured while the individuals were in the process of commiting crimes. Don’t break the law , you won’t meet the police!

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  FBnative

Yes. Don’t argue with cops…they are not Judges!

Just shut up, shut up, shut up! Do not resist arrest. Then argue with the judge.

Remember you are not guilty just because your arrested. You are innocent until found guilty in court, after a trial. The cops have no say in the matter…

Rod Gass
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6 years ago
Reply to  Who Cares

Well said. Why start fighting with a cop?

I think it goes back to cause and effect. Momma said, “Don’t take your fight to town Bill, don’t take your fight to town.”

But, the fight more and more, gets broadcast as the problem. It’s the symptom not the problem. Cause and effect.

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6 years ago
Reply to  FBnative

uh…. Who was in the process of committing a crime? Breonna Taylor, who happened to be sleeping in a place where there was going to be a police raid? Ahmaud Arberry, who was out for a run when that Deliverance looking guy blew him away? George Floyd, who was face down on the ground, handcuffed, with the killer’s knees on his neck for eight minutes until after he was unconscious?

Who cares
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Who cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

You are arrested for being SUSPECTED of crime. If your not guilty…plead your case to the judge. Arrest is not a conviction…it’s not smart to run, that will only add to your charges.

Thirdeye
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6 years ago
Reply to  Who cares

Breonna Taylor wasn’t running. George Floyd wasn’t running. Ahmaud Arberry was being harassed by a couple of assholes in a truck who had no authority to arrest him while he was on an exercise run.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

How do you know? You weren’t there, and the video doesn’t cover the whole Interaction.

You are assuming….you think you’re so smart, got it all figured out huh? Why do we have investigations and trials at all? We could just let you judge everybody.

Thirdeye
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Thirdeye
6 years ago
Reply to  Who Cares

Please try to come up with one shred of evidence that those situations were other than as I described.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

That’s not my job. That’s what the criminal justice system is for….wait for the investigation, and trial if you give a shit about facts and truth.

Why doesn’t anybody anderstand these things? The curriculum they teach kids these days must be absolute crap…

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

Thank you Thirdeye.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

Thank you Thirdeye.

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MikeyC
6 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

I think everyone agrees the practices in those instances were unjust (I am guessing the original commenter would agree), and thus we should get some collective agreement that those practices should be outlawed (no knock warrants, and chokehold type techniques). There are certainly financial waste issues that could be solved as well, as with every government body. But there is certainly also some level of defunding that is just so childish and naive, and it’s crazy how many people have jumped on board with that. In a New Jersey town, they ‘defunded’ the police a few years ago… but ultimately rebuilt and refunded the department, and it looks completely identical to the original one. This would of course happen anywhere the police are defunded. Police departments have been crafted over hundreds of years, with mostly good intentions (there are many black police captains who have helped craft these), and in coordination with citizens, and city council inputs… so to suggest we need to replace the whole thing is idiotic.

Guest
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6 years ago

What is wrong is not these people walking through a totally not involved community, causually implying they need to be straighten out based on nothing. That makes them silly and annoying but people have a right to be silly and annoying within the law.

What is wrong is a supposed professional abusing their platform to push their personal agenda by treating this as if it was pandemic news of import. Nagging is the province of the editorial page which exists to make it clear the publisher can actually tell the difference between information and opinion and can therefore be relied on not to distort elsewhere for their own agenda. Set up an editorial section.

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
6 years ago
Reply to  Guest

RHBB is an opinion site.

KK wants people’s ideas and thoughts. At times news is secondary.

Mike
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Mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Rod Gass

I will say this, her views and policies on free speech have made me consider other sides of the arguements quite a bit more. Minds are rarely changed but its always good to have to listen to people that don’t think inside your box. Being sheltered from opposing views points is a breeding ground for ignorance.

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HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike

I respect Kym’s willingness to let both sides speak their minds.
We find out a lot about what our neighbors believe and why.

We should financially support her efforts as we are able she puts in a tremendous amount of time.

Even though Kym and I couldn’t disagree more I respect and appreciate her. Debate is a healthy thing.

For Trump supporters a place to speak your mind becomes harder to find by the day as all media becomes more and more censored by Google, Twitter et al.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Yes. Absolutely.

Jeffersonian
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6 years ago
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Shelter Cove has degraded a lot since the days of Mario Machi, who survived a brutal Japanese concentration camp in WW2. These protestors have no concept of a truly racist regime.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

The degradation is Nation Wide…

Thirdeye
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6 years ago
Reply to  Guest

I wasn’t annoyed at the article, I found it amusing. People with the means to live in the sheltered recreational town of Shelter Cove get pangs of White guilt and march around with signs to make themselves feel better.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
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What is wrong is not these people walking through a totally not involved community, causually implying they need to be straighten out based on nothing. That makes them silly and annoying but people have a right to be silly and annoying within the law.

What is wrong is a supposed professional abusing their platform to push their personal agenda by treating this as if it was pandemic news of import. -End quote-

I agree with that first part for sure. Well said.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago

Well I haven’t heard of any Trump people harassing the Al Sharpton Juneteenth rally, Lets hope Trump can now have a rally in peace.

I’m hoping.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago

So…..you know the vast majority of Union soldiers, who fought and died for the abolishion of slavery we’re white…..right?

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago

Leftists have now torn down a statue of Roman Catholic Spanish priest and friar St. Junípero Serra in San Francisco’s Golden Gate Park, I thought Nancy was a DEVOUT Catholic, Serra was canonized a saint by Pope Francis in 2015, I understand that some natives have issues with St. Junípero Serra but it hardly seems relevant to Black Lives matter.

Nancy why are you letting people destroy SF and Golden Gate Park? Your silence speaks volumes.

Mobs also destroyed statues of Francis Scott Key, the author of the Star Spangled Banner. Just disgusting!

And, oddly, Union General Ulysses S. Grant the dimwit vandals claimed that they were justified in their actions because General Grant “owned a slave,” but ignore or are unaware that while he had inherited a man named William Jones, he quickly filed a manumission document to free him. And” I do hereby manumit, emancipate & set free said William from slavery forever.”

Hmm,

Far Left Washington Mayor Calls Black Lives Matter “Domestic Terrorism” After they Vandalize Her Home

Nothing like being the target to change your point of view.

Democratic mayor in Washington state spoke out this week against the protests supporting the Black Lives Matter movement — after a group of vandals damaged her home.

Democrat Mayor Cheryl Selby of Olympia, the state’s capital, told The Olympian this week that she was “really trying to process” the news that her home had been vandalized.

“It’s like domestic terrorism. It’s unfair. It hurts when you’re giving so much to your community,” Selby told the outlet.

But Selby you authorized this, was it only supposed to happen to OTHERS?

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Yes. This movement is really a pro globalist, anti American movement. And it is absolutely disgusting to see this happening to OUR country

That time again
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That time again
6 years ago

Funny, the modern American slave is the illegal alien for cheap labor and sex slaves, yet no-one is marching for them. This will all go away in November, the election will be over, it will be too cold or wet to protest, steal, & loot.

I like stars
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I like stars
6 years ago

Spot on about the illegal immigration.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago

Yep. Slave Wage Chinese workers too…..not only do we not stand up….we actively support the Chinese Slave Wage system everytime we go shopping…Billions, if not Trillions of dollars of support for Chinese Slave Wage system every year

These people don’t care about race or equality, they only care about removing a democratically elected president, a president who may actual stand up for the people, and the People’s Economy, and BRING THE JOBS HOME. That’s why they hate Trump, cuzz he might ruin they’re modern slavery scheme. Fuck Globalist, and fuck these Self Appointed Guardians of the Status Quo. They think they are fighting oppression, when in reality they are being tricked in to fully supporting it . Yes Snowflake, you are being used and lied to.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago

Yet if we could pass reasonable immigration laws they could be here legally on work permits and laws could be passed to guarantee them the same wages and OSHA protections as citizens.

Why doesn’t Congress do that?

If they fix it they can’t use it for a political football.

Follow the money of both Dems & Repubs. on both sides
CEO’s prosper.

Corporations are not people and lobbyist should not be able to contribute to campaigns.

When is the last time Congress passed a law you actually wanted?

I like stars
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I like stars
6 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Thank you.

As far as the actual politicians go (not the voters) Republicans and Democrats are (with very few exceptions) exactly the same. They are part of a group of fat cats that looks after it’s own interests. They divide up into two artificial sides and take opposing stances on a few controversial issues (like abortion and guns).

Humans are tribal by nature. We like to have a side to fight/root for or against. There’s a reason sports are so popular.

The two artificial sides take advantage of our tribal nature. The vast majority of us are drawn to one or the other. Giants fans versus A’s fans.

As far as politics goes, for my entire life I have been presented with choices akin to the choice of a shit sandwich either with or without bread. I’m sick of it. I want a ham on rye.

I don’t know if I got my point across or not. I’m so frustrated and sad. Our country (and the world) could be so much better. We all have much more in common than we have differences.

Who Cares
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Who Cares
6 years ago

Yep. They’ll forget about the black community after they get as many votes as they can for Globalist Puppet Biden.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago

Is this how you want congress to spend it’s time and our money?
Of course they won’t cheat with mail in ballots …my ^ss they won’t!

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

@AOC
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Actually you just got ROCKED by teens on TikTok who flooded the Trump campaign w/ fake ticket reservations & tricked you into believing a million people wanted your white supremacist open mic enough to pack an arena during COVID

Shout out to Zoomers. Y’all make me so proud. ☺️ https://twitter.com/parscale/status/1274484815576907778

Brad Parscale

@parscale

Radical protestors, fueled by a week of apocalyptic media coverage, interfered with @realDonaldTrump supporters at the rally.

They even blocked access to the metal detectors, preventing people from entering.

Thanks to the 1,000s who made it anyway!

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/20/anti-trump-protesters-interfere-presidents-rally-f/

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago

As for Globalism …UN, IMF,NATO etc.

Can you tell me one Country better off for having accepted there “help “?

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” ― George Orwell, 1984
Sound familiar?

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago

Legendary boxer’s only biological son Muhammad Ali Junior said that “I think this Black lives matter movement is racist in itself.”

He added: “It’s not just Black lives matter, white lives matter, Chinese lives matter, all lives matter, and everybody’s life matters. God loves everyone — he never singled anyone out. Killing is wrong no matter who it is.”

”My father would have said, ‘They aren’t nothing but devils,” Ali Jr, 47, said. “My father said, ‘all lives matter.’ I don’t think he’d agree.”

Ali Jr. referenced some of the destructive actions of looters in recent weeks as part of his own dissatisfaction with the Black Lives Matter movement.

Do All Black voices matter? Or only those of the protestors.

shift
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shift
6 years ago

Kym;
A shame you cannot have a neutral news site.

“I think Biden is an appalling candidate. I even consider not voting for him regularly…until I look at Trump. There is no way I can see Biden–a weak, follow the wind candidate-as likely to have the devastating effect on this country as Trump.”

I am wondering if there are other ‘former’ site visitors and donators that were under the impression you were neutral or not a Trump hater.

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  shift

I do have a neutral news site. I have an opinion in my comment section. I don’t know how anyone who reads the comment section could have been under the impression I approved of Trump in any way.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago

Nice, sweet protesters just holding signs to be heard.
Would you put on a blue uniform and go in CHOP?

Seattle Police post body cam video of being attacked at CHOP CHAZ trying to help shooting victim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cefDp_rsfgo&feature=youtu.be

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago

More than 100 shot in Chicago this weekend including 5 children.
11 in Minneapolis.
2 Seattle.
Happy Fathers Day…total 113 shot or dead.
BLM

Hmm all DEM. run cities…. none shot by Cops, but don’t look here for lives that matter we’re progressive!

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
6 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

HotCoffee, nice group of comments laced with truth.

I imagine you and I and others, could go round and around over the NASCAR position of exchanging the Dixie Flag for BLACK LIVES MATTER, displayed on race cars. I can’t breathe worn on the one single driver’s chest. Yeah some folks are bothered.

I’m certain we all can feel the somber feelings of Bubba Wallace as the entire NASCAR infield hand-pushed his car up to the pole position.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago

Rod,

This is going on all over the world. I believe it is organized and deliberately agitated.
For the desired result of the 1% and the NWO.

I also believe there was a time when the democratic voters were against the NWO.
They were against GMO’s, HEK’s in their foods.
I could go on & on.

What changed?

Trump got elected.

Then what changed?

He doesn’t fit what the NWO wants and so many politicians do, they been making fantastic amounts of money and committing crimes doing it that they don’t want exposed…. left & right.

Take John Bolton, He has been known as a war monger for decades and the dems railed against him…until he wrote a book about Trump. Now he’s a CNN media darling. Much like the love they showed Avannati.
Don’t you find it interesting that Hillary was a war monger too.
Or that while railing about banks she was giving 5k speeches for them.

Much of what I post is trying to get folks to look at the world picture and ask questions.

Why do the ideas we hate keep happening.
I don’t believe it’s the people doing it… it’s the hypocrites in power playing us like a fiddle.

I’m not a teacher or a brain trust but I’m a walk away ex democrat that voted for these people Nancy, Clinton, Obama, and now I’m ashamed that I did. But even saying that I can’t say that I could have voted for any previous Republican.

Just Sad! It’s not the Country I grew up in and it makes me glad I’m old.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago

So, I’ve been told by the left why I voted for Trump, but now I want to tell my version of why.

Trump switched back and forth a couple time between being a D and a R.
Got married a couple of times and invited Ds & Rs to his weddings and other get togethers. You can see attendees on google images. Yep even Hillary hugging up to him.

So, Trump doesn’t drink or get drunk but just imagine the secrets he heard from is guests that were drunk. Those guests know this.

He failed in Business a couple of times so, what do you think he learned about business and bankers? Hmm

He’s been in show business what did he hear and learn there?

Now, who would want to get rid of Trump?

Yep, he can be boorish a bull in a china shop, crude, and MOST DEFINATLY a pain in the ^ss to those that don’t want there secrets told or obstructed.

So, I voted for him.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
6 years ago

All BLM

Take, for instance, Tanzania, a poor nation in East Africa, whose present value of external debt stands at $11 billion (€9.7 billion). When the World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF) were negotiating massive debt relief for the country, they made it conditional on the privatisation of Dar es Salaam’s water system. City Water, the British and German-led consortium who won the contract, then severely reduced water access to some of the world’s poorest people.

There’s that NWO again! But all white people will get the blame.
No asked me if that was ok.

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
6 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Yeah, Your comments and my research are on quite similar trajectories.

I’m over worrying about international wrongs where I see some element of truth but, I can’t care nor remember why the fix isn’t applied. Others have a bigger stake in the plans for change. For me, it’s overwhelming.

Think globally, act locally … is the pillow I sleep with.

My simple-minded reference to the NASCAR dust-up is but a tiny micro burst of what I see. I can help maintain the status quo. But where’s the level playing field when one competitor is treated so special, because of race? Did he deserve special treatment?