California Attorney General Urges U.S. Senate to Reject SAVE America Act
Press release from the Office of Attorney General Rob Bonta:
California Attorney General Rob Bonta [on Wednesday,] joined a coalition of 12 attorneys general in urging the U.S. Senate to reject the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE America) Act, warning that the legislation would nationalize election administration, impose sweeping new barriers to voter registration, and disenfranchise millions of eligible Americans. Although President Donald Trump and many Congressional Republicans allege that the SAVE America Act is needed to bolster “election integrity,” extensive audits, court decisions, and bipartisan election officials have repeatedly confirmed that U.S. elections are already secure and that voter fraud is exceedingly rare. [Wednesday’s] letter follows an earlier letter by Attorney General Bonta opposing a previous version of the SAVE America Act.
Among other things, the SAVE America Act would require voters to provide documentary proof of citizenship — such as a valid U.S. passport, a birth certificate, or other qualifying documentation — in person for every new registration or update. Driver’s licenses, including REAL IDs, and military or tribal IDs alone would not suffice. This legislation shifts the burden of verifying eligibility away from government systems and onto individual citizens, forcing millions to prove their right to vote before being allowed to participate in our democracy. For example, more than 140 million Americans do not possess a valid passport. Additionally, an estimated 69 million women who have adopted their spouse’s last name do not have a birth certificate that reflects their current legal name. Over 60 million Americans live in rural areas, often too far from government offices to easily visit in person.
“The SAVE America Act is a full-fledged attack on the right to vote. I urge the U.S. Senate to do the right thing and oppose it,” said Attorney General Bonta. “The reality is that our elections are already secure, safeguarded by multiple layers of protection. However, in recent months, President Trump’s efforts to undermine our democracy have increased. His FBI has seized ballots and election records in Fulton County. He has called on Republicans to ‘nationalize’ voting. He has continued to spread lies about the 2020 election being stolen. President Trump and Congressional Republicans see the writing on the wall — that they are likely to lose in the upcoming midterms — and they are pushing to make it harder for people to vote. We cannot stand idly by. We have a responsibility to safeguard the voting rights that generations before us sacrificed to achieve.”
For more than two centuries, election administration has been a core function of the states, a power rooted in the Constitution and in our historic role as guardians of public trust, ballot access, and election integrity. In the letter, Attorney General Bonta and the coalition underscore that states are best positioned to manage voter registration systems, verify eligibility, and respond to the unique needs of their communities. In addition, citizenship is already a requirement to vote in federal elections and non-citizen voting is extremely rare. State election officials routinely verify eligibility using data from motor vehicle agencies, the Social Security Administration, the Department of Homeland Security, and other sources.
The attorneys general warn that the legislation would create significant obstacles for eligible voters, including:
- Requiring documentation, such as passports or birth certificates, that can be cost-prohibitive and must perfectly match current names.
- Mandating in-person presentation of citizenship documents, effectively eliminating online voter registration systems currently available in 42 states.
- Creating barriers for married women and persons whose birth certificates don’t match their current names.
- Requiring the presentation of a valid government-issued photo ID to cast a ballot in person, or presentation of a copy of a valid government-issued photo ID when casting a mail ballot.
The attorneys general also highlight concerns about the substantial administrative and financial burdens the Act would place on state election systems. The legislation would require states to fundamentally restructure their voter registration procedures and create new systems for document verification, while criminalizing mistakes made by election officials with penalties of up to five years in prison. And it would require states to undergo these monumental changes before the 2026 midterm elections.
Joining Attorney General Bonta in sending [Wednesday’s] letter are the attorneys general of Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, and Washington.
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You mean the SAVE our Republican ass during the upcoming midterm elections act?
And there they are yelling, voter ID! Fraud! Massive fraud!
Of course no proof has been shown, except for their cult daddies late night Truth Social rants, still whining about losing the 2020 election and worrying about the Democrats will impeach him if they take back control. He is running scared.
The only fraud being committed is by Trump on the American
And now we have him saber rattling over Iran as a distraction.
Americans already must present a birth certificate just in order to play youth sports…
Bonta protesteth too mucheth me thinketh…
What does Bonta have against leveling the playing field…???
Let’s make it harder to hack our elections…
That depends on age and type of competition involved. My kids played youth sports, soccer, baseball, basketball , never needed a birth certificate.
That’s no true, I coached for many years and you had to prove your child’s age to play. That way teams could not cheat and kids played against children their own age!
. Arcata has a rec basketball and volleyball league. No birth certificate needed.
Arcata thinks little boys are little girls and vice versa. Avoid using Arcata as an example to the rest of the sane worl as an example, it weakens your argument
Just maybe their kids played sports in Arcata? Or they know people that have or still do? How does that weaken an argument, or is the argument to which you refer something entirely different? Either or, my kids didn’t have to show such things either beyond me signing them up for sports and fill out the rest.
And that would be a lie. Or you just forgot.
Our election system needs to be hacked. Hacked up and we need to throw the women and darker voters into the bay in several different bags to drift with the tides.
Yesterday was a very sad day. It was Sad, very sad. Sad for Prince Andrew, Sad for Charles. He’s a King. KING!
If we continue down this road where women are permitted to vote, we might even have powerful important men in America arrested.
Not on MY watch bucko
Sounds like a threat to do murder.
OH…so you are saying voter ID is the fraud? Umm ok…..
Sound like voter ID will prevent those who should not be vetoing form voting. That is a WIN WIN! ………………Unless you want or need them too vote….
And if there is not fraud now…..What have you got to loose?
What we’ve all got to lose with this poorly constructed law (unless your goal is to waste tax payer money and disenfranchise eligible voters for at least one election) is a functioning election system that makes voting accessible to eligible voters.
The vast majority of people would not be able to use a state issued ID as proof of citizenship since only 5, northern, states provide real ID compliant options that prove citizenship.
So pretty much everyone would need to obtain either a passport (a very expensive form of ID) or their birth certificate and whatever additional documentation they need to prove that their current name is the same person as the one named on the birth certificate. What acceptable forms are to successfully connect a current name that was legally changed to a valid birth certificate are not spelled out in the act.
Exactly how many people will have to do exactly how much work to get those is hard to pin down but general estimates put 10% of registered voters as not having immediate access to their birth certificate. Thats over 17 million voters that have to do some kind of work to get the documents they would need. I got an official copy of my birth certificate last year, from out of state, and it took almost 4 months for it to reach me. And there wasn’t any discernible reason there would have been a rush on the county records office at that time.
Additionally, the question goes unaddressed in the text I’ve found of whether or not every single voter needs to re-register immediately if this passes. If so, we face the unprecedented task of reregistering 175 million voters before elections this year. And beyond that burden on state election offices, they are instructed to “take affirmative steps in an ongoing basis” to ensure there are no non citizens registered. What meets that criteria isn’t spelled out. And given this administration’s behavior there is no reason to expect they won’t exploit that vaguery to legally harass states that don’t align with them politically.
And all of this mess, to address a problem that no one can demonstrate exists. Utah conducted an exhaustive review of its voter rolls (a little over 2 million people) and found exactly 1 non citizen registered, and they had never voted.
There are ways to do a voter ID. But rushing this poorly constructed system into place in an election year is not one that produces anything but fewer eligible voters getting the chance to vote and the most expensive and confused election in modern history.
If you’re getting federal aid, or social security, at some point you had to have had an i.d. Are you inferring the ‘mass majority of voters’ are too dumb to get, or have an i.d.? Keep saying it’s too hard to maintain a verified voting system, so keep the broken one? Really?
The save act doesn’t permit the use of the vast majority of IDs.
Everyone that doesn’t like it should just get their damn passports…
That way, if it bends them so far out of shape just getting their damn passports, they can all just leave the country…
Passports cost $165 plus shipping and plus the photo. Pushing up on $200. Requiring people to purchase a $200 form of ID to vote would very much amount to a poll tax.
If we want voter ID, set the date for 2028 or 2030 and get the feds started on producing an official citizenship ID that can be provided to all citizens free of charge for the first issuance, inform people of the kind of documents they need to prove they get one, issue them in that time period from any usps office, and then require them going forward.
Pretty simple.
When they register. How many times are they going to do that? And California has the option of enrolling in two separate ways to supply that verification for its residents for them. Actually there are three for those getting social security or supplemental security income because it is already establishedtin signing up for benefits.. And California could easily create a virtually painless verification of who was born here as many states have already have. And California could have chosen to provide citizenship data on the real identity because they damn well required citizens to do that when they signed up for it. But they refused. Not because they objected to making people jump through hoops to get a real id but because they refuse to risk the federal government (you know the ones who determine whether a foreigner can be admitted or not) knowing who is living in California who is not documented.
As for why when there is little documented evidence of voter fraud? Because places like California have vocally and officially acted to protect illegal immigrants in every aspect already. Why not voting? . They even officially issue drivers licenses to those who have no documentation. They pay benefits to those who don’t have documents. That bit about everybody having to re-register? That is more of the same because, if you could find nothing in the “text” that says people don’t have to immediately register again, means there is nothing in the law to say they do either. Law is not created by innuendo.
I don’t like the idea of what basically has become papers for citizens but sanctuary government entities have created the problem. And there are other issues involved in this law like ballot harvesting. If California Congressmen had objections, they could have participated in crafting the law instead of refusing outright.
So if this only applies when people have to register to vote, but it’s goal is to solve the problem of a bunch of illegal voters already existing, then this doesn’t actually solve the alleged problem.
The issues with immigration are federal issues. The states created the “sanctuary” laws as a response to the feds off loading their responsibilities for immigration enforcement onto the states without providing any funding. That’s where it all started. And it’s the same thing with things like driver’s licenses, states have recognized that the cost of trying to verify citizenship for everyone is more expensive overall than the cost of just verifying that they are otherwise qualified for the thing, i.e. driving.
No state can fix our broken immigration system. The federal government needs to address that. Unfortunately, they’ve uniformly chosen to let it fester for decades for a variety of reasons.
And again, when fraud has been actively sought, none has been found. Just crying “Fraud!” followed by vague accusations isn’t an argument. Especially from this administration when we’ve already seen, in DOGE, that “cracking down on fraud” from their end involves systemic destruction with zero reduction of the budget or any prosecution of actual fraud.
Our federal republic system is founded on the independence of states to operate autonomously from the feds to a large degree and our nation is made stronger by states exercising that autonomy. This facilitates the diversity of approach that enables the “laboratory of democracy” to show all of us what kinds of approaches might produce the best results. We’ve already lost way too much of that over the last century in the degree to which we’ve allowed the federal government to expand it’s reach and power.
This will prevent future problems…
In that case it should be targeted to implementation for 2028 so that people have time to understand exactly what documents they need and state election offices have time to develop the appropriate verification systems.
Leave not until tomorrow that which can be done today…
Except that rushing it into effect only serves to disenfranchise eligible voters. It took over 3 months to get my birth certificate through the mail from out of state.
We are about 8 months out from these elections and this particular bill raises more questions than it answers when it comes to how people will identify themselves successfully and what state election systems will be expected to do. If you want a screwed up election with results that are deeply in question, rushing an overhaul into the system is a sure way to get that
“Our federal republic system is founded on the independence of states to operate autonomously from the feds to a large degree and our nation is made stronger by states exercising that autonomy.” Not on immigration. That is one clear, clear, clear area where the Consitution excludes the states from independence. That whole argument is so fraught with dishonesty the automatic response is to wonder what dishonest intent keeps repeating it. Even worse is the claim it costs Californis money. This from a state that owns the unfunded mandate. The cost is small, the danger to its own citizens is not small yet they think people should believe that is a valid reason. It is a disingenuous technique for interfering with something that the Constitution doesn’t give them the power to oppose.
That immigration was included in the Constitution as a Federal power is because one state shouldn’t be allowed to independently chose to act in a way that deprives other states from action. Such an idea is ludicrous. Because there is a constitutional bar to impeding cross state traffic, California’s de facto support of illegal immigration means that every other state is stuck with it too. That’s how that illegal immigrant used his California drivers license to drive a semi into the accident in Florida that killed so many. Florida wouldn’t have allowed that but, because they couldn’t stop California from doing it, they paid the price. California has created a safe haven for illegal immigrants.
And the continuous harping on there’s no significant problem with fraudulent voting holds no water when so many other states have seen arrogant California blatantly try to impose its wants on everyone else from environmental issues to abortion, that most of the rest of country wouldn’t trust California not to encourage illegal immigrants to vote because they already leverage them to gain more seats in congress when re-apportionment happens. God, if there was a requirement that laws address only an evidenced problem, half the tax code would disappear. That is a specious self-serving demand. I agree with those who think that California can not be trusted on this issue. They could care less that their own citizens are imposed with endless regulation that is continuously ignored when it involves illegal immigrants.
Nothing about any sanctuary laws inhibits any federal activity around immigration or institutes any immigration laws.
All that any of them do is restrict state and local law enforcement to work on state and local laws rather than allowing the feds to off load that responsibility to the state, including the financial burden.
You can find plenty of sherrifs around california describing that federal immigration would regularly ask them to hold inmates and then never come pick them up. That was the original motivation for many counties ceasing holding inmates for immigration beyond their local release date.
Same with the whole issue of proactive cooperation with immigration. All the laws require compliance with any warrants that federal immigration provide. All they limit is the feds outsourcing their desired continuous sweep of immigration status to local police. If that strategy is a priority for federal law enforcement then they should fund it and operate it.
It clearly does to anyone not playing along with the fiction. If there is a problem with the feds not acting on holds, then that can be addressed. But when state officials know there are requirement to pass out federal money yet it moves it around like it is money laundering, when it knows, actually knows, a person is handing the fraudulent immigration documents yet simply hands them back and pretends it never happened, when it releases criminals it knows are here illegally, only an idiot or crook would not see this as a criminal organization adding and abetting a crime. California representatives are always in the forefront of denying sufficient funding. They are the most prominent at doing what you complain of.
All this pettigogging rerun around is completely transparent and how California has the highest illegal immigrant population in the country. And even worse this pretense leads to the behavior disregarding other laws. Which wouldn’t be so awful if California restrained itself from make so very many laws. Which is why California is always in first place at unaffordable living. The state makes a bazillion rules that makes life expensive but refuses to enforce the ones that support a living wage for the unskilledvworkers.
If all of those “known” crimes are happening all the time, why aren’t the feds investigating and arresting the perpetrators?
Immigration fraud is a federal crime. No state can stop federal law enforcement from investigating federal crimes. And no state has the authority to investigate federal crimes like immigration fraud, its not their jurisdiction.
But youre just sort of ranting at this point. So I’ll leave you to those windmills that need tilting at
How every Democrat that voted for president in the last Democrat presidential primary and or the last presidential election made absolutely no difference anyway…
At least if the SAVE ACT passes, the Democrats will have a ready excuse to use why they lost, if and when they lose again, besides the obvious conclusion to everyone else being the fact that their performance and their candidate was overwhelmingly unacceptable…
The very best political course and goal for the Democrats would be to simply embrace the SAVE ACT, pass it unanimously, and still win…
The Democrats must be as gullible as they are naive if they think that the Democrat leadership is really concerned with any disenfranchisement of their constituency, even after their leadership disenfranchised each and every in one of them as far as their primary votes in 2024 were concerned, by appointing a losing candidate that not even a single solitary one of them voted for…
Clearly the only thing the Democrat leaders are worried about is having less Democratic votes by their constituency to again undemocratically and arbitrarily totally disregard and completely nullify, again, before they arbitrarily appoint and annoint their next losing candidate, again, and the Democrats all rally, again behind their disenfranchisement and their next appointed and annointed losing candidate, afterwards, again.
Talk about a waste of money…
Kamala Harris absolutely pissed away $1.5 Billion in about 100 days, pissing away about $15 Million per day, right down the toilet, and still lost…
Talk about a lose/lose…
And don’t forget, Kamala Harris was a 2020 presidential primary candidate, that was so unpopular, that she had already threw in the towel and pulled out while it was still 2019…
How she ended up being placed on the Democrat ticket for vice president that year anyway is beyond me…
Gosh, after Kamala Harris spectacularly losing in 2024, do you think the Democrats will run her again, anyway…???
It wouldn’t surprise me…
The save act is just a poorly constructed law.
It would be great if congress wanted to come up with a workable voter ID law, but they won’t. Just like they won’t really address any other issues that americans actually deal with.
I had a hunch…
And, what do you know…???
A little known fact…???
Food for thought…???
Just a coincidence…???
“Was California Attorney General Rob Bonta born in the US…???”
“No, California Attorney General Rob Bonta was not born in the US; he was born in Quezon City, Philippines. He immigrated to California with his family as an infant. Despite being born abroad, he was a U.S. citizen at birth through his father, who was born and raised in California.”
State of California – Department of Justice (.gov)
And what does that have to do with anything?
Who knows…???
Did you know that their are discrepancies related to Rob Bonta’s date of birth…???
https://www.joincalifornia.com/candidates/13933
Candidate Biography:
Robert Andres Bonta
Born: September 22, 1972 in Quezon City, Philippines
Married: Mialisa (m. 1997)
Children: Reina, Iliana, and Andres
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https://everloved.com/life-of/warren-bonta/timeline/
Footnote:
“a]An October 1971 newspaper article reported that Robert Andres Bonta was born in Quezon City, Philippines, on September 22 of that year.[1] Additionally, several news reports from his appointment as attorney general in April 2021 stated his age as 49, which would match a September 1971 birthdate.[2][3][4] However, some sources have claimed September 22, 1972, as his date of birth.[5]”
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California Attorney General requirements..
“Voter Qualification: Be a registered voter and otherwise qualified to vote for that office at the time nomination papers are issued.”
Was Rob Bonta a registered voter at the time his nomination papers were issued…???
Why the discrepancy
regarding his date of birth…???
Probably because recordkeeping wasn’t perfect in the Phillipines in the early 70s?
Was the whole point just to use xenophobia and feigned ignorance to disparage a politician you don’t like through innuendo?
Or were you trying to highlight yet another category of voter who might face hurdles to registration under the save act?
AVR is a poorly constructed law…
Registering to vote should take personal initiative, not be state initiated …
It wasn’t a problem to anyone but politicians, especially Democrats…
Registering to vote is not something that others should be doing for you without you initially requesting it…
What is the unnecessary cost for implementing that…???
That’s how lots of ineligible non citizens get “automatically” registered to vote, unintentionally, through unsolicited prompting and unrequested voter registration solicitation…
https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/automatic-voter-registration
Automatic Voter Registration
“…California and West Virginia have similar systems. A different front-end approach takes the customer through the voter registration process during the transaction unless they actively select an option to decline. That approach does not present the voter with a screen asking them whether they would like to register before beginning the registration process.
Back-end opt-out: During their agency transaction customers provide information needed to register to vote. After the transaction occurs, the customer is notified by the agency via a post-transaction mailer that they will be registered to vote, unless they respond to the notification and decline. If the customer takes no action, they will be registered to vote. In this approach, registration information is automatically transferred, and customers may choose to decline or affiliate with a political party after receiving the post-transaction mailer.”
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This is bullshit coercion and exactly why in person proof of citizenship should be universally required to register to vote or make changes to current voter registration…
“Thats over 17 million voters that have to do some kind of work to get the documents they would need.”
-Thatguyinarcata-
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FFS…
“…do some kid of work…”…???
OMG…!!!
That’s like 1 in 20 Americans…!!!
Perish the thought…!!!
It’s just too damn much to ask, I tells ya, it’s just too damn much to ask…!!!
Especially if they are the ones not doing jack shit already…!!!
Its not the issue of asking all those people to do any work, its the issue of rushing a law through in the run up to an election that will make all the processes people would need to engage with take longer than is possibly available in time to vote.
Additionally, why should voting be hard? What is gained by creating barriers to voting? If we’re going to pretend that our basic civic duties come down to voting and paying taxes why wouldn’t we want to make those things as accessible as possible? Like taxes, the only reason to complicate the voting process is to make cheating easier.
The only reason the Democrats made voter registration automatic is to manipulate the voters…
Register to vote for them…
Send them all mail in ballots…
And then pester the shit out of them with relentless texts in order to get them to vote the way they want…
It wasn’t so much the voters that were committing the fraud…
It was the Democrats using the government to register voters that would not necessarily have otherwise even registered to vote, that was basically unlawful, or at least very unethical, even if the manipulative AVR bill had actually dubiously passed the Democrat led Congress…
The Democrats franchised them, without so much as even proof of citizenship…
These people didn’t seek to be registered to vote by their own initiative…
So now voter ID is necessary…
For crap sake! You have to show your I.D. when you turn in your aluminum cans for the CRV. How stupid is it to not require I.D. for voting? You have to do so for so many other minor and idiotic things such as turning in your aluminum cans for the CRV? And there has been plenty of fraud in past elections it has been going on for years.
Where are you recycling your cans that you have to show ID?
Is it near the same store where Trump claims you need ID to buy groceries?
Or does it exist only in your head… like the “plenty of fraud” you claim exists?
It’s true, Jebs…
Redway, CA…
Just recently, I had to show my ID to get paid for recyclables…
It only does not exist, in your head …
I’ve been going to Hambro since they opened. Recology before that.
I’ve never had to show ID.
But, I guess a private business can do whatever they want.
Still doesn’t mean it’s a law.
Hambro is in Redway, CA, also…
That’s who required my ID…
You must never bring in more than a Benjamin’s worth of recyclables…
They want ID before they will shell out more than $100.00 in cash for recyclables.
Since when? I’ve never been asked anything beyond giving my name. The only time they ask more questions is if you show up with out of state plates or you’ve never recycled before, and then it was just two more questions. No ID needed.
The right wingers are trying to steal the midterms. Texas redistricting, the SAVE act, ICE, poor Donnie’s buthurt rants that are amplified by Fox news. THIS is election fraud.
No. Ballot harvesting by party volunteers is but do you see the Democrats of California objecting to that? Quite the opposite. They enshrined it into law. This is not the one way street you say.
“California changed its rules before the 2018 midterm elections to allow people other than family members to collect and submit ballots. Last-minute submissions of votes in the election delayed results and some pundits and Republican politicians suggested that it influenced the outcome of several elections.
While the Los Angeles Times editorial board rejected claims that any elections were affected by the new ballot harvesting law in the 2018 midterms, it did call for the law to be fixed or repealed, saying the law “does open the door to coercion and fraud.” ”
Such vicious purely partisan politics is how the country got here.
Oh and Prop 50.
Ballot harvesting simply means that I can hand my completed and signed ballot to a neighbor or friend to turn in for me. It’s completely innocuous.
Paranoia about imagined problems is how we got here.
They’re eating the dogs!!!
Ballot harvesting means that you collect ballots from your neighbors and/or friends and turn them in for “them”…
No. It means that political parties can solicit and submit ballots wholesale. There was already a provision for taking a single ballot in for someone. Californis just made it a valid thing to do for as many ballots as they want. ” In the past, Democrats have used volunteers to go door to door to collect ballots from supporters and return them to county election office.
Democratic U.S. Rep. Harley Rouda’s campaign has designated “neighborhood ballot hubs.” These are places for supporters to drop off their ballots with someone who will deliver them to county election offices. Rouda is a freshman whose Orange County seat is one Republicans have targeted.
A campaign handbook describes these hubs as a porch or outside of someone’s home. A volunteer ballot collector is assigned to take the ballots, sign them and turn them in the same day. The volunteer also keeps a log of ballots collected.”
Would anyone trust a political campaign to take a payment to a utility? But in California they allow political parties to do that with votes. Its not like the alternative of giving it to the post office and not even paying for a stamp doesn’t exist. Talk about a temptation.
https://www.kcra.com/article/ballot-harvesting-under-scrutiny-in-california-elections/34388815
It’s also perfectly legal, to a point. A couple neighbors or friends saying Hey man, can you drop this off at the ballot box or mail box please? I don’t see a problem. If somebody is cruising the neighborhood advertising as a collector or charging me money to take the whole street for them, that’s a no go, and should be.
State by state list:
https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-10-ballot-collection-laws
Texas has been going back and forth on the issue following SB1 being passed in 2021 over unsubstantiated claims of Biden stealing the election.. And people still busted for it.
Attempt to stop enforcement.via 5th Circuit
Attempt denied via Texas own AG.
What makes Bonta and his cronies so damn sure that the SAVE ACT WON’T benefit Democrats…???
What Makes Bonta and his cronies so damn sure that NOT having Voter ID WILL help Democrats…???
AND WHY…???
What is obvious is that they dont want it. Why? You have to ask. Why? Its….like they are hiding something. Want some edge or loophole for the voters. What voters? Voters who cant get an ID? Cant prove citizenship upon voter registration? Who would be against that? To say these requirement are costly and restrictive is absolutely silly. These forms of ID are basic necessities today. You need this info for just about any activity. So you sound like a real asshole when you say, ”create significant obstacles”, people dont have this information. All the rest of us have to jump through these hoops to get our ”papers”, by government and social mandate.
They’re nervous about OUR candidate winning California’s Gubrantatorium seat:
Candidate MAVERICK RHOYD!!!
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So if the voting system is so corrupt ask yourselves how did t Rump win again if the dems had the same tools to steal an election like proclaimed by mango lardo in 2020 ??
Yeah that’s what I thought , can’t fix stupid or fucking gullible … SMFH
Simple…
All the ineligible voters were purged from the voter rolls after the 2020 Democrat win…
Bye Bye Bogus ballots before 2024…
And surprise, surprise, Democrats lose without them…
Any other questions…???
Where did all those purges happen? Do you have some numbers to share? That would sure bolster the claims of rampant fraud
Your Google finger isn’t painted on, is it…???
I know you’re good at posting links. And you seem to have the details, why not share them? Where’s the overly long AI summary on this topic?
https://www.demos.org/research/protecting-voter-registration-assessment-voter-purge-policies-ten-states
“Between the close of registration for the 2020 general election and the close of registration for the 2022 general election, states reported removing ➡️19,260,000⬅️ records from their voter registration rolls.”
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After at least 19,260,000 voting records were removed between 2020, and 2022, as mentioned…
In 2024, compared to 2020, Democrats somehow mysteriously lost over 6.26 million votes for President…
In 2024, compared to 2020, Trump actually picked up over 3 million additional Republican presidential votes…
You figure it out…
And then address the mostly Democrat bullshit tactic of AUTOMATIC VOTER REGISTRATION…
Hey thanks, I knew you had it in you.
Too bad you didn’t read what you linked. That report says that over 50% of the purged voters were removed for “inactivity” (meaning they were eligible voters who simply hadn’t voted, a change of address (meaning that it was a duplicate record that was removed, not an actual voter being removed), or death.
The remaining ~50% was subject to a variety of lawsuits and the very report you shared found that every state they examined had a variety of problems that made their voter roll purges likely to ensnare fully eligible voters.
So, after an unknown number of american citizens were erroneously stripped of their voting rights between 2020 and 2022 democrats “lost over 6.26 million votes for president”.
I didn’t realize how bad the attack on american’s voting rights already was at the moment. thanks for informing me. This SAVE act looks even more disgusting given this new information you’ve shared with me.
What you don’t seem to be willing to honestly admit, is that in 2020, Biden mysteriously got over 15.4 million more votes than Hillary Clinton got in 2016.
But that was before almost 20 million ineligible voters were purged,
Harris still got 9 million more votes than Hillary Clinton, so so much for your theory…
Trump also got over 3 million more votes in 2024, than he got in 2020, and more than 14 million more votes than he got in 2016,
So, in 2024, after almost 20 million ineligible voters were purged nationwide between 2020 and 2022 alone, Democrats were the only ones whose “voter turnout” didn’t materialize in “historic” numbers…
And what is so disgusting, as far as I am concerned, is the Democrats SHAMEFUL Automatic Voter Registration SCAM, that has thankfully totally backfired on them…
Bring on the voter ID.
Yeah. Was the real reason, or a reason for Trumps win because you didn’t want a woman as president?
There you go.
The problem with Kamala Harris wasn’t that she was a woman, as far as I was concerned…
The overwhelming problem with Kamala Harris, in my opinion, was simply the fact that she was none other than Kamala Harris…
Hey Bonta F you!
Apparently Mexico doesn’t foist those ridiculous seat belt and child car seat laws on hard working American immigrant protesters.
Screw you Bonta!!!
😂 down-voters unaware of the irony in this meme and utterly lacking a sense of humor obviously. 🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇸
Frankly some don’t even read a comment. They just down vote the commenter.
And the other way around. No read the comment, just upvote the commenter. I’m guessing, of course.
Unless you have been under a rock, any normal person (legal) person should have all this documentation . How can you function without proof of who you are. Only citizens should be able to vote.
This law wouldn’t allow normal ID as proof. And it doesn’t clearly define how issues like legally changed names would be addressed.
Very few state ids actually meet the criteria laid out in this act
Those issue already have a precedent in that social security and IRS and the California tax board , among others, already require documentation for name changes. They have procedures for most circumstances and the Democrats never protested that. The SAVE Actvalso has procedures for provisional ballots if acceptable ID is not given. The question is why do Democrats object so much? It is likely because they have a well developed organization for getting ballots that favor themselves while their political opponents don’t.
The act doesnt provide for using those other agencies’ policies for name change verification.
Every single argument I’ve ever heard against this bill and every other proposed bill is that it doesn’t address an actual problem, it creates known hurdles to eligible voters that may violate the constitution, and that it always comes from people with a track record of active disenfranchisement of voters.
They’re also always accompanied by the sorts od unsupported accusations of institutional fraud that you lean on in every comment on the topic. Never addressing the elephant in the room, that republicans have far outperformed their actual representation in the population at the federal level for decades. In other words, if you’re theorized conspiracy exists it is profoundly unsuccessful
Well said.
“…it creates known hurdles to eligible voters that may violate the constitution,…”
-Thatguyinarcata-
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As it should be…
Being an eligible voter is no excuse to violate the the Constitution…
Even in reading your cherry picked quote its clear what I was saying.
Don’t you realize that the craven dishonesty with which you and everyone else who supports these policies worsens their position? It supports the claims that its not about election integrity but about voter suppression.
I’m fully down with a voter ID. Its very simple to craft one that is aligned with federal law. But that doesnt mean that just any old voter ID law will work and we should shove through some shoddy bill in a rush.
Craven dishonesty…???
Why don’t you be honest with the craven political dishonesty of the relatively recent practice of unsolicited voter registration collection involved with Automatic Voter Registration, and the problems associated with that…???
I think that registering to vote should be something the voter personally initiates, not something that should be initiated unsolicited by some government agency or another that a person otherwise engages with for specifically non voter registration reasons…
I’m sure you are totally fine with that kind of mostly Democrat voter registration mining, though…
There is no guarantee that these are even US citizens that are being automatically registered to vote…
Tens of thousands of them have not been…
And that’s a primary reason for making proof of citizenship necessary when registering to vote from now on…
Now let’s hear you being honest about that, so that you don’t worsen your already precarious position..
Yes, craven dishonesty. Behavior like (poorly) lying about what a person said in an attempt to deflect from the discussion at hand.
As for your favored “whataboutism” of the moment, from what I learned from the link you posted up thread it sure seems like a mixed bag. Definitely a better use of election security legislation would be to tighten the guardrails around that practice.
The trouble is, is, that “tightening up the guardrails around that practice” ain’t gonna happen until 2027…
Look it up for yourself…
Sooo…
Bring on the Nationwide birth certificate based voter ID before the 2026 elections…
Let’s just tighten up the guardrails like that, once and for all…
You mean things like this?
Turns Out There Was Voter Fraud in Georgia—by Elon Musk.
The state board of elections found Musk’s PAC sent prefilled ballot applications.
https://newrepublic.com/post/206857/georgia-voter-fraud-elon-musk
All that documentation is available online.
It’s insulting to suggest that poor people, POC, and married women are too dumb or broke to be able to acquire and present the required documents. It’s really not that hard.
IMO we should be verify once, and then use a thumbprint, just like when u renew your DL.
Does the california DMV have that? No one ever wanted a thumb print from me.
Recently renewed my CDL and I had to submit my thumbprint.
most of the GOP wants to go the other direction because they know its hard to get lazy people off the couch and out of the house to vote. they also know that trumps game is over and he never won the 2020 election. i look forward to my refund check.
The Dems are going out full force over a simple request to prove citizenship. Gee, wonder why they’re so concerned…..
Exactly. Me thinks thou doth protest too much….