Trinity Loses Only Resident ER Doc Over Social Media Post

Dr. Chad Smith with his dog, “Dogtor Blue,” taking a break after a shift at Trinity County’s only emergency room. Smith, who has worked at the hospital since 2014, was removed from the ER schedule after a private social media post, a move that has sparked community backlash. [Photo provided]

As political tensions escalate nationally, their consequences are increasingly felt far from Washington, D.C. in workplaces, friendships, and small communities where institutions are fragile and relationships are personal.

In Trinity County, those tensions erupted last week when the county’s only hospital removed a longtime emergency room physician from its schedule after he shared personal political views on a private social media account. The decision sparked community backlash, amid concerns about free speech and workplace power, and placed hospital leadership under public scrutiny.

While the First Amendment protects Americans from government retaliation for speech, it does not shield them from professional consequences imposed by employers or institutions. Across the country, people on all sides of the political spectrum have lost jobs, contracts, or standing after expressing political opinions — even privately — as organizations enforce conduct policies to manage risk.

In Trinity County, that national dynamic landed squarely in the local emergency room.

A sudden removal from the schedule

Dr. Chad Smith, the longest-termed emergency room physician at Trinity Hospital, says he was informed the morning of January 28 that he would no longer be scheduled for ER shifts because of a Facebook post he made the night before.

Smith, who has worked at the hospital since 2014, said Medical Director Patrick Shipsey told him he was being taken off the schedule indefinitely, that the decision was based solely on the post, and that there would be no discussion. Smith said Shipsey indicated the directive came from hospital CEO Aaron Rogers.

Smith said he was given no warning and no opportunity to respond.

Like other emergency room physicians at the hospital, Smith is classified as a 1099 independent contractor. By the time he arrived at the hospital later that day, Smith said his February shifts had already been removed, and colleagues had been told he would no longer be working and were asked to cover his shifts.

Hospital administrators have emphasized that Smith was not formally terminated. In a statement to The Trinity Journal, Mountain Communities Healthcare District said no termination letter had been sent and that Smith’s medical staff privileges had not been affected.

For Smith, the distinction feels academic. If a physician is removed from the schedule entirely, he said, the result is the same.

A doctor rooted in the community

Since moving to Trinity County, Dr. Chad’s private Facebook page has highlighted his love of the outdoors. [Dr. Chad with Blue on the Klamath River near Pecwan.]

Smith is not a short-term provider passing through a rural hospital. He lives in Trinity County and, by his account, is the only emergency room physician who resides locally rather than commuting from elsewhere. He bought his home years ago, built long-standing relationships in the community, and was widely known for bringing his dog, Blue, who died last year, to the hospital.

Smith said he and Rogers maintained a cordial professional relationship despite knowing they did not align politically. They were not Facebook friends, but Smith said they communicated respectfully and had mutual appreciation for each other’s work. Just days before his removal, Smith said they exchanged friendly texts.

That context made the call especially shocking.

A rare post

Dr. Chad immersed himself in the community and the beauty of Trinity County since moving to the sparsely populated rural county as the only resident ER doc. [Photo of Dr. Chad and Blue enjoying the snow near their home in 2016.]

Smith said he rarely engages in political debate online. His Facebook page primarily features photos of him and his girlfriend kayaking, hiking, and fishing against the stunning wilderness of Trinity County, and a plethora of photos of Smith’s beloved dog, Blue. His workplace is not listed on his profile, and his posts do not reference Trinity Hospital or his role as a physician.

Amid heightened national tensions, Smith said he expressed personal views in posts shared only with his Facebook friends. The posts were not publicly visible and received limited engagement.

Smith said he never imagined that expressing a personal opinion, even an impassioned one that was unconnected to his work could cost him his job.

“The town is in an uproar”

According to Smith and his partner, Courtney Fredericksen, Shipsey told Smith the decision to terminate his employment was driven by community outrage over the post, including alleged threats to boycott the hospital.

Fredericksen immediately questioned that explanation.

She said there had been no visible complaints about Dr. Chad’s medical care prior to his removal. Only after she posted publicly about what had happened did the situation erupt into widespread backlash. That post triggered hundreds of comments, most expressing support for Dr. Chad.

The public uproar followed Smith’s removal — it did not precede it.

Policy, conduct, and uneven enforcement

Excerpt from an email sent to staff after Dr. Chad said he was terminated.

The day following Smith’s removal, hospital leadership circulated an internal memo reminding staff of expectations around social media use and professional conduct. The message warned that posts suggesting discrimination or the withholding of care based on political or other differences could lead to disciplinary action, up to and including termination.

Smith disputes that his post met that standard. He said it was made in a personal capacity, did not reference patients or patient care, and did not link political views to professional conduct, a distinction he says is especially important in a small county where personal and professional identities often overlap.

What many community members questioned was whether political expression was being restricted consistently, or whether consequences depended on which viewpoints were expressed.

Standing-room-only board meeting

On February 4, dozens of residents packed the Mountain Communities Healthcare District board meeting. Speaker after speaker questioned administrators’ decision to remove the beloved ER doctor.

Rogers told the audience Smith had not been terminated and said reinstating his hours was possible. Many challenged the distinction, arguing that removing all scheduled work amounted to termination in practice.

Public comment extended beyond Smith’s case. Several speakers described what they called a long-standing toxic work environment, alleging providers have been pushed out over the years by being quietly removed from schedules.

Longtime Hayfork resident Wendy Armagnac said Smith’s case fit a broader pattern she had observed. “How does your management communicate with your staff?” she asked the board. In an interview after the meeting, Armagnac told Redheaded Blackbelt, “I’ve gone through four and or five caregivers or PAs and doctors… who have all of a sudden disappeared, and I find later that they’ve left because they’re very dissatisfied with how they’re being treated at the hospital or at the clinic.”

I am Charlie Kirk display photo

CEO Aaron Rogers publicly displayed an “I am Charlie Kirk” photo as his profile picture until late afternoon on Wednesday, February 4.

An older man who attended the board meeting didn’t mince words about his thoughts on Rogers’ own political postings when it was his turn for comment, telling the board, “Charlie Kirk over here, running our hospital.” The speaker was referencing Rogers’ public Facebook profile, which until late Wednesday displayed a photo reading “I am Charlie Kirk,” along with other politically themed posts supporting President Donald Trump. visible to the public. “[Rogers] will go through that hospital and weed out everybody that doesn’t agree with him,” the man warned.

A temporary profile picture publicly visible on CEO Rogers’ social media account seemingly shared both his opposition to vaccine mandates during the COVID pandemic and support of then-former-president Trump ahead of the 2024 election.

Additionally, Armagnac brought up another public post on Rogers’ Facebook page questioning the healthcare professional, “You don’t believe in mandates? You guys, come on now!”

Several speakers questioned how Smith could be removed over a private post while leadership’s own political expression remained public and unchallenged.

The contrast sharpened concerns about selective enforcement.

An MCHD employee who spoke with Redheaded Blackbelt on condition of anonymity said that perception is widespread among staff, describing a workplace where political views aligned with administration appear tolerated while conflicting opinions carry professional risk.

Why this post, why now

Smith has said his post was driven by anguish and solidarity following the killing of Alex Pretti, a healthcare worker in Minnesota. Smith said he identified strongly with Pretti as a fellow medical professional and was emotionally affected by the incident.

He described the post as a personal response to what he saw as the killing of someone in his own field, not as a statement about his workplace, his patients, or his role at Trinity Hospital.

trump and adult kids post

The meme above was accompanied by a private Facebook post by Smith, shared only with his friends and not publicly visible. Smith has said the meme highlighting political division along with a strongly worded caption, written in an emotional moment, was never intended for public distribution and has not been shared publicly with his permission.

Both Smith and hospital CEO Aaron Rogers have used social media to express political views. Rogers has publicly identified with the “I am Charlie Kirk” movement through a post visible to the general public, while Smith said his private post reflected identification with a fellow healthcare worker.

Only one of those expressions resulted in removal from the workplace.

Questions about leadership

As the controversy unfolded publicly, questions at the February 4 board meeting expanded beyond Dr. Chad’s case to include broader concerns about leadership and accountability.

During public comment, Armagnac questioned not only the CEO’s leadership, but that of management.

“I understand there’s a doctor at the hospital who’s been in serious trouble, and yet he’s in charge of firing and hiring,” Armagnac told the board, referring to Shipsey.

Speakers did not allege that those past matters were directly related to Smith’s removal. Instead, Armagnac and others framed the issue as part of a broader workplace culture involving hospital leadership, including Rogers and the two physicians overseeing management, that they said discourages dissent and lacks meaningful accountability.

In a subsequent phone interview, Armagnac said Smith’s case was not an isolated incident but one example, she claims, in a longer pattern of providers being pushed out or silenced.

What comes next

Smith said he is weighing his options, including possible legal action or accepting job inquiries he has already received. Hospital leadership said reinstating his hours remains possible.

For now, Trinity County residents say they will keep showing up and pressing hospital leadership for answers.

In a rural county with a single hospital, questions about personal expression, workplace boundaries and selective enforcement are not abstract.

Redheaded Blackbelt reached out to both CEO Aaron Rogers and Medical Director Dr. Patrick Shipsey for comment last week. They have not returned our calls as of publication of this article.

Update: MCHD Board Faces Accountability Questions as CEO Review Comes Due

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Heidi
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Heidi
4 months ago

Unbelievable gut punch toTrinity county. So rare an MD chooses to live locally. Hospital administrators need help understanding how to work within the big picture of their important jobs.

299
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299
4 months ago
Reply to  Heidi

Please move to Humboldt County. We need doctors.

Michael lorenz
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Michael lorenz
4 months ago
Reply to  299

Nice, Heidi ! Ditto

Golden eye
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Golden eye
4 months ago
Reply to  299

My thoughts exactly!

Geoff
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Geoff
4 months ago
Reply to  Heidi

Any doctor this CEO tries to recruit should know about this abuse of another MD.

XiXi Rodriguez
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XiXi Rodriguez
4 months ago

What a Man-baby-loser this admin Rogers is, to sacrifice his community lives and providers, by firing an MD for political posts. What happens when Roger’s has to go to the ER as a patient? Can’t wait to get the new graduate doc now, right? Chad should go elsewhere and thrive, or fight back & get these clowns fired/to resign and then take the helm at Trinity to return to actual medical care. Not political care. How does Roger’s live with himself?

Geoff
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Geoff
4 months ago
Reply to  XiXi Rodriguez

Trumpies don’t really have a conscience. Sort of like blind cave fish don’t have eyes.

Trinistan
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Trinistan
4 months ago
Reply to  XiXi Rodriguez

A person can certainly try to frame Dr Smith’s posts as just political, and having read all of them and viewed his reels, I would say they started that way. However things began to spiral out of control in a manner beyond political and into a realm of unreasonable, overly emotional language. It appeared to be heading into a dangerous direction.

The public is definitely not getting the full story here. RHBB has done the best job of covering this to date, it is still very far from the complete picture.

charley
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charley
4 months ago
Reply to  Trinistan

This story baffled and frustrated me, because I find nowhere what they are fighting over. I’m sure it was a difficult decision not to publish the post that got Smith in trouble–but that’s the story, Lisa! We’re exposed to Shipley’s glop, but not the glop that gets a doc ‘rescheduled’?! I’m very disappointed not to see what this story is about.

Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
4 months ago

I met Dr Smith in 2014, while I worked at Trinity Hospital…

Trinity Hospital was one of the few places in the North State that I enjoyed working… And I was asked to return, in 2017…

I didn’t go back, but Dr Smith was a ray of light…

The Politics of Weaverville are pretty Church-Centered, and the weather is a challenge…

Fortunately, Dr Smith will find other employment, in about a microsecond…

Apopa
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Apopa
4 months ago

Administrative change is on the horizon. CEO s are a dime a dozen, lasting about 3 years on average. Don’t worry about him because a hefty golden parachute usually awaits. Local rural doctors are hard to get in our region. As mentioned, most are “rent a doc’s” who aren’t connected to the area they serve. They also cost more.
Too bad for the hospital staff and public caught up in the middle of this toxic workplace. The exact thing a CEO is supposed to avert. Start packing your bags Mr Rogers, your outta here! Hang in there Dr Smith, enjoy your time off. The Pecwan fish are running and waiting for you. Fish -on!

Quantum Quipster
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4 months ago

So let me get this right and forgive me if I’m wrong. This doctor was feeling anguished because of the killing of Mr. Pritty. Weren’t we all feeling anguished? It seems like thought Police? Lots of Americans are OK about lowering the flag half staff and having moments of silence for a podcaster. Well!?
I go to Weaverville on a regular basis and I know that a lot of my coworkers and I don’t share political views, but we treat each other with respect and are all in the fight together. People need to put their big boy and big girl pants on and move along. United we stand or divided we fall is not just a catchphrase.

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Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago

Some have let their anguish fuel their attacks that they make personal.

Quantum Quipster
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4 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

Specifics? Cite sources? C’mon! Kick down!!

Stupid Games Stupid Prizes
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I disagree with most of your comments, and disagree that Charlie Kirk was just a “podcaster”. But I agree with the rest of your comment and agree that we can still treat each other with respect and have civil discourse and allow each their own opinions, especially outside of work and online. I have coworkers and friends and family that all think differently politically, and yet we still care for one another as humans and allow freedom of thought and opinion.

And I’m sure I don’t agree with this doctor’s political views, but he definitely should be able to express them freely online, especially outside of work. Freedom of speech is for everyone, or no one. He likely has a lawsuit.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 months ago

yeah, C. Kirk was an incendiary, racist, hate monger – not just a pod caster. Hope this helps.

Stupid Games Stupid Prizes
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Reply to  Guest

Disagree all you want, but calling Charlie Kirk “racist” and a “hate monger” while ignoring his consistent calls for open debate and civil discourse says more about you than him. Smears are what people use when they can’t win on arguments.

Fogdog
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Fogdog
4 months ago

It’s almost as if two things could be true at the same time? 🤔

Watching
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Watching
4 months ago

Open debate on whether or not women were raped or not raped? Yea Charlie Kirk was a real piece of work smdh

Ladyc
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Ladyc
4 months ago

I do disagree. Many people claim they are for this or that but don’t actively live it. Kirk was frequently demeaning and condescending and prejudice in his interactions…far from civil in many instances when politely challenged. He didn’t walk the talk consistently and there is more than enough evidence to that reality in his podcasts/videos. I fully believe that he was intolerance in disguise…and fooled many… but many others took note of his slip-ups

Lone ranger
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Lone ranger
4 months ago
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I think Mr Kirk was a young man with a wife and kids, that was making a very good living. The hate is what pulled the trigger , fact. Why so much hate in the LGBTQ communities? Is it because they have the highest rate of anti-psychotic medication usage?

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Lone ranger

Hate-driven violence is real and I agree with condemning it as you have. But when you treat an entire group of people as problems or threats often enough, wear and tear is a predictable human response. And using that wear as “proof” that mistreatment was justified is a familiar and ugly logical loop. Consider carefully whether your statements are part of the culture of hate.

Lone ranger
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Lone ranger
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Pretty sure I’ve made it very clear there is only one group of people I dislike ” millionaire politicians “which is pretty much every one of them.

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Lone ranger

You may not dislike LGBTQ folks but you hold very negative views about them.

Lone ranger
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Lone ranger
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Only because they have the highest rate of STD and use of anti psychotic medication. Sorry Kym I’m just old fashioned and believe in just working hard, it’s very rewarding. Just hard to convince the younger generation.

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Lone ranger

I’m not sure what working hard has to do with being LGBTQ?

There are lazy folks and hard working folks in both straight and LGBTQ groups.

I don’t think sexuality is a very good indicator of work ethic.

Quantum Quipster
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4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Right!? The fact that you had to say that speaks volumes. My mom was a journalist for years (Philadelphia Enquirer) and says “consider the source” when investigating.
What’s this ranger guy’s source anyway? Would ranger guy be valid as a source? Don’t waste your time.
I’m old-fashioned and I just like to work hard too. My mom worked all her life as have I. For what it’s worth

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Curtis
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Curtis
4 months ago
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You treat groups as problems.. Only reason you fill targeted is because you all demand to be targets.. You can be all you want.. But you continually try to shuve it down everyones throghts that you’re EXTRA special.. Your not.. but you dont care of how you treat us.. Be what you want to be .

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Curtis

Are you assuming I’m LGBTQ? Or?

A Friend Of Dorothy
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A Friend Of Dorothy
4 months ago
Reply to  Lone ranger

Hmm, being part of the gay community I’m trying to think of any gay friends that take anti psychotic medication but I don’t know of any.

Lone ranger
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Lone ranger
4 months ago

I call them happy pills, according to Google 40 percent of the nation has been on them at one time or another. Drugs fix nothing.

Quantum Quipster
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4 months ago
Reply to  Lone ranger

Last I heard Kirk was killed by a neo nihilist. He held no political motive- he wasn’t right or left
Conservative or liberal- just wanted to tear it all down. Nihilism.

Ladyc
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Ladyc
4 months ago
Reply to  Lone ranger

Your understanding of why antipsychotics are used more often in the lgtbq community is essentially non-existent and shows that you have no idea regarding how and why they are prescribed. You took a stat and applied inaccurate associations to fit what you would like to believe. Well done.

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Guest

If you believe Charlie Kirk is racist or a hate monger, the productive way to make that case is to quote him and cite specific actions.
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Labels without evidence don’t advance the discussion, and they make it harder to distinguish between disagreement and fact. Critique ideas and words — not people.

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Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

My personal “favorite” is this one:

“If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, ‘Boy, I hope he’s qualified.'”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/mike-freeman/2024/02/04/charlie-kirk-black-pilot-comment-tuskegee-airmen/72412319007/

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago

My favorite Kirk Statement is “”We must use state power to regulate big tech corporations.” https://americanmind.org/memo/the-origins-of-the-new-right-and-its-future/ He sounds like a Democrat there. People are complex.

He was a POS
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He was a POS
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Are you defending Charlie Kirk?

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  He was a POS

Damn, if I say that someone said something I like, does that mean I like everything they said? Are you willing to have me peruse all the quotes you like, then say you are defending everything the person who said them says?

Because I really admire the Bible’s statement to “love one another” (John 13:34)
But really repulsed by, “The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.” (Hosea 13:16)

Cedar
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Cedar
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Not religious but I think the Tower or Babel is the best biblical tale to reflect todays society.

Example: “people are complex”
“Are you defending him?!”

People are becoming incapable of accurately representing the other persons argument, its much easier to assume some sort of hatred or evil onto them and move on.

Not sure if you’ve read this Atlantic story from Jonathan Haidt in 2021, but it just gets more accurate with time.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Cedar

I really shouldn’t have taken the time to read that article but it had several interesting perspectives.

charley
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charley
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

You’re my heroine, Kym! Hosea, not so much.

laura cooskey
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4 months ago
Reply to  He was a POS

It’s not only possible, but recommended, to be able to defend some statements and positions of a person, but not all.

Stupid Games Stupid Prizes
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Reply to  Kym Kemp

The line comes from Kirk arguing that companies like Google, Facebook, Twitter/X, and YouTube have become de-facto public squares. His position is that when a handful of massive tech corporations control most online speech and allegedly suppress political viewpoints, government has a legitimate role in preventing viewpoint discrimination.

The fuller idea he was expressing is roughly:

“We must use state power to regulate big tech corporations so they cannot act as monopolies that censor lawful political speech.”

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago

Yes, I mostly agree. Though the line on size is hard to draw. Do I have to allow all speech? Does ABC? What kind of rules do we get to enforce and what are just designed to cut out speech we don’t like?

Stupid Games Stupid Prizes
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Reply to  Kym Kemp

Right, and I think that’s the conversation Kirk was most interested in having. There’s an obvious issue in our world with community square of social media etc. If the state were to regulate, how? Do you need to have billions of people visiting your site? Or do smaller businesses like the one here get a pass? Food for thought

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
4 months ago
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I think Kirk got that from MO Senator Josh Hawley who wrote the book “The Tyranny of Big Tech” I have a copy. Not that I’m a particular fan of Mr. Hawley, but he eshews technology and control by corporations and government; that same tech that this administration wants to use against us. Like, say, appropriations bills being OK’d so long as voter data is also disseminated along with it. This would also go against Mr. Kirk in his wish to use state power to regulate when they’re part of the game being played. It’s like identical twins arguing with each other over who is going to steal that other kid’s lunch.

Stupid Games Stupid Prizes
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The comment came during a 2023–2024 discussion about airline safety and diversity hiring initiatives. Kirk was criticizing programs that publicly state they aim to increase the number of minority pilots through race-conscious recruiting goals. His argument was that when institutions emphasize race as a hiring factor, they unintentionally create doubt about qualifications.

The fuller quote, with the surrounding explanation, was essentially:

“If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, ‘Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’ Not because I’m racist, but because I’ve been told that the airline industry is prioritizing DEI over competence.”

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
4 months ago

Sure…

 I’ve been told that the airline industry is prioritizing DEI over competence”.

Who told him? Did he actually look into it?

It’s a bullshit cop out by him.

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago

Literally the FAA said it. As far as can tell the law suit over it has been pending for 10 years.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/4542755/brigida-v-united-states-department-of-transportation/

Pearson noted that in addition to the biographical assessment, a four-year hiring freeze was placed on controllers as DEI policies were implemented.”

Pearson stated, “The FAA engaged in staffing suicide. It takes two to five years to train as an air traffic controller and a long time to get these people through. Losing them meant a gaping hole was left in the ATC talent pool. The FAA, because of DEI policies, stopped hiring for three to four years and that directly correlates to the lack of staffing, and controllers being overworked and getting fatigued and burned out.”

“A decision made by the FAA, and not by the Air Traffic Organization, meant that both high school graduates and those with air traffic control degrees had to apply through the same program and pass both the standard aptitude test for controllers and a biographical test.
Facing pressure to diversify an overwhelmingly white workforce, the FAA began using a biographical test as a first screen of candidates.

Meanwhile, minority candidates were fed “buzz words” to bump their resumes up to top priority. Apparently saying your worst subject in school was science served as a golden ticket. Correct answers to the take-home biographical questionnaire were given in their entirety. These questionnaires were later banned.”

“NBCFAE’s Vice President Shelton Snow told members that the FAA will open bid for employees starting on February 10th. They will reportedly scan resumes and then a computer will group them by keywords. Those words will flag the resumes for potential hires, allowing them to skip to the front of the line ahead of thousands of others.”

https://viewfromthewing.com/diversity-in-the-skies-faas-controversial-shift-in-air-traffic-controller-hiring/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13985
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2024/01/30/faa-allegedly-feeding-black-applicants-buzz-words-to-launch-resumes-to-the-top-lawsuit-alleges-1432314/
https://www.aero-news.net/Subscribe.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=AAC46E72-E5C8-4643-9016-D985DDA7772F
https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/USCOURTS-dcd-1_16-cv-02227/context

Stupid Games Stupid Prizes
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“Who told him?”
United Airlines, Delta, the FAA, and their own DEI reports,publicly, on the record.

The industry literally advertised it. Pretending those announcements never happened is the real cop out.

Just because facts point to a subject that makes us uncomfortable, doesn’t mean the facts aren’t true. And that goes both ways in our polarized society.

dogbreath
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dogbreath
4 months ago

“i believe a racist lie” is that not much better than “i’m racist”

Stupid Games Stupid Prizes
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Reply to  dogbreath

For example… DEI policies??

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago

As usual that is comment taken out of context. “Beyond the quoted sentence, Kirk reportedly referenced the FAA as having “a bunch of morons and affirmative-action people,” and elaborated that DEI policies cause him to question credentials — comments that, taken together, broaden the scope from a single admission to a critique of institutions and standards .”

As frequent Factually is more thoughtful than the press. It said “the factual debate is not over wording but over whether that wording expresses a racially prejudiced factual claim about Black pilots or a description of Kirk’s own reaction to institutional DEI. Both readings are supported by the same transcripts and follow-up comments, and informed judgment requires weighing the full exchange, subsequent clarifications, and the pattern of rhetoric documented in later analyses.”

Some choose to believe it racist and others that it comes from a place of distrust the results of DEI. But under no circumstances is it as simple at you made it seem. My experience with DEI is mixed. I’ve seen incredible incompetent people get promoted over qualified people based on quotas, which is what DEI uses no matter how many times the word is changed, and I’ve seen a promotion that gave position to a person who would have otherwise spent decades to get there, swimming against prejudice the whole time, but who was eminently suitable. Whether DEI is seen as justice or injustice is totally derived from how a person experienced it. It is not just though to charge Kirk with all your beliefs.

https://factually.co/fact-checks/society/charlie-kirk-dei-pilots-comments-bfbbe9

Cedar
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Cedar
4 months ago

This comment was made in the context of DEI lowering the standard of hiring for specific races. I disagree with the comment but its not hate.

I’d argue that the growing tendency to distort context and apply a “hate” label to ordinary disagreement has significantly contributed to the belief that society is awash in hate.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
4 months ago
Reply to  Cedar

Ask yourself, do you look at a person of color or a woman and immediately think “Damn another DEI hire”?

It was shit thing to say, as is, to be frank the idea that DEI hires unqualified people. Having experienced the effects of NOT getting a job because I am a woman, I do find ole Charlie and his idea that women should submit and stay home and make babies a load of crap…as is the assumption that a person of color must be not as qualified. Obama is ten times the person, in skills and intellect, that the current POTUS is. But I still hear some call him a DEI “hire”.

That is racism.

I was (now retired) fucking great at my job. A little bit of TMI maybe, but I was in Bristol Bay tendering. The boat was running back down to Egegik Bay and the all of us were sleeping except the one on wheel watch who sat there as another boat was heading right for us. The guy on the other boat was asleep at the wheel. Our idiot however stood there just watched, turning the wrong way (to port) at the very last minute and the other boat obliquely t-boned us.

Thing is these were totally white men, no one would even think DEI! Of course, for the rest of the contract I had to listen to the “women drivers” bullshit from boats delivering. Thankfully a fellow crewman would say “If she had been at the wheel, it would never have happened!”. Love that guy!

So yeah, the ones “just asking questions” about DEI and “wonder” ignore that fully capable people face hurdles the ones freaking out do not understand or choose not to acknowledge.. No matter how capable the person is.

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Lone ranger
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4 months ago

Obama was alright but his green policies just like Bidens brought high fossil fuel costs, fact. Government regulation has everything to do with fuel prices.

Stupid Games Stupid Prizes
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No one said capable women or minorities don’t exist. The criticism of DEI is about policies that explicitly weight race and gender instead of merit. When institutions announce they’re selecting by identity, they create doubt about everyone’s qualifications, including highly competent people like you. That’s a policy problem, not “racism.”

You had a successful career because you were good at your job. That’s called merit. DEI replaces merit with checkboxes and then acts shocked when people question the checkboxes. Disagreeing with that system isn’t an insult to you.

Stupid Games Stupid Prizes
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Exactly. I’m finding that no one ever looks at the full context of anything anymore. I guess it’s the result of our reel culture?

We could have fun with everyone in these comment sections if we only took one sentence out of their comments and put quotations around them

dogbreath
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dogbreath
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

people have been fired for quoting charlie… my friends have received threats (legal and otherwise) for quoting his hate speech.

Lone ranger
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Lone ranger
4 months ago
Reply to  dogbreath

How much money did Ole Charlie make just because people paid attention to him? I never heard of the guy until he died. That made me a zero contributor to his wealth and success. Whether you followed him negatively or positively, your a contributor to his success.

DCdawg
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DCdawg
4 months ago

The doctors original post needs to be released. It condemned those that didn’t agree with his beliefs. That is the concern.

OhNoYouDon't
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OhNoYouDon't
4 months ago

My Adult Children Don’t Talk To Me ..

Because they are insufferable brats who cut people off for a difference of opinion.

Pretti was an instigator, he wanted to be a martyr.

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4 months ago
Reply to  OhNoYouDon't

it is very obvious why your adult kids do not talk to you & I guarantee is not for any of the reasons you sighted.

ABA
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ABA
4 months ago
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Triggered?

Blacktail Addict
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Blacktail Addict
4 months ago
Reply to  OhNoYouDon't

We’re lucky our kids feel the same way we do.

Timb0
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4 months ago
Reply to  OhNoYouDon't

So says Fox and OAN

Geoff
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Geoff
4 months ago
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Maybe it was Kirk who wanted martyrdom.

dogbreath
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dogbreath
4 months ago
Reply to  OhNoYouDon't

that hit pretty close to home, huh?

OhNoYouDon't
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OhNoYouDon't
4 months ago
Reply to  OhNoYouDon't

Did all of you miss the point? I guess so, but I’m not surprised.

Either way, I’m not old enough have adult children, and I am horrified at the Left’s desire to maim the young. I am however a Dyed In The Wool Democrat who has woken up to the games the Democrat Party plays with us. I am without a party. Trump is no savior, but neither would have been Harris.

Policies that have been implemented since the Civil War have brought us to this dystopian place in which we currently find ourselves.

The current Democrats whine like spoiled brats who have no practical knowledge of how the world actually works. Republicans believe everyone knows how the world actually works.

Start protesting the IRS and maybe we can start healing our country.

Quantum Quipster
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4 months ago

That has nothing to do with the subject matter of the article. Right?
I had a comment taken down because it had nothing to do with the subject matter of the article. Just saying.

Canyon oak
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Canyon oak
4 months ago

This is unfortunate.
politics is poison and activism is toxic.
to take any political positions, or at least to tell people you do, is to risk friendships and more.
todays America seems to be intent on building tribalism, on all sides. A “arms race” of reconstructing identities and ethnicities previously obligated to the whole.
when we share our views today, it only reveals our which side we are on, and that’s a very big problem for organizations in today’s neo-tribal America

Ernie Branscomb
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4 months ago
Reply to  Canyon oak

I couldn’t agree more…It’s time that we all start acting like Americans instead of tribes of dissidents. I strongly suspect all this turmoil is fomented and paid for by outside influences. I believe in America for its ideals, not for what I see currently.

“politics is poison”. I would add ‘religion’ to that statement. We need both, but damn! Stop using it against each other. Most people are good, we need to start acting like it.

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The Real Guest
4 months ago

Amen…

😁 😉

Guess
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4 months ago

I couldn’t agree more

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago

Ernie,

I think in part you and I like each other because we’re of the tribe that most people are good and for heaven’s sake we can disagree and still find common ground. People who feel like that always warm my heart.

But I can’t agree on this “paid for by outside influences”. People spew angrily on Facebook all the time—especially in posts only their friends see—without anyone handing them some money. (Cough, and if anyone is handing out money for that may I suggest that I am more than willing to oblige?)

And bosses sometimes react to their employees political opinions out of fear or disagreement. There’s nobody paying them to do that.

I worry that assuming hidden puppet-masters lets us overlook the very real, very human ways people and institutions mishandle conflict right here at home. We can’t work on fixing ourselves if we blame “them.”

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“Radical leftist groups, including one financed with $7.8 million from progressive billionaire George Soros, are behind the anti-ICE protests in Minnesota, The Post has learned.”

“In addition to Indivisible Twin Cities — which does not identify its leaders on its website — other protest leaders include the Council on American-Islamic Relations, an anti-Israel group whose Minnesota chapter’s executive director Jaylani Hussein has rallied against ICE at protests.”

Hello. If people are following ICE agents around 24/7, they are not earning their own livelihoods. Someone is paying. Asking who is not beyond the Pale. Certainly Clinton’s campaign believed the Russians were funding Trump’s campaign and paid money to commission a report on it. The whole subject is clearly in play. And should be.

https://nypost.com/2026/01/08/us-news/heres-whos-really-behind-the-minneapolis-ice-resistance-movement/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/florida-cair-muslim-brotherhood-declaration-9.7008351

Friday
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4 months ago
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Ah! NYPost and CBC –> Faux news wannabees.

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago
Reply to  Friday

CBC? The Canada’s national public broadcasting network? Really? Fox wannabe? A perfect example of – well- lots of things.

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4 months ago
Reply to  Friday

Remember the NY Post not only broke the story, they also reported accurately on Hunter Biden’s laptop. They also reported accurately about the Russia hoax. While others including WAPO and the NY Times, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC news denied the claims until they no longer could continue the lies. Sara Carter and John Solomon broke the story about the Russia hoax on Fox years before it was debunked by the “legacy” media. Still there are those still clinging to the lie that Trump was a Russian agent,.

I have to add, Ernie Branscomb has enumerated what I have been hearing on Fox and News Max and read by DeVine (editor of the NY Post) re: funding of the Minnesota (and other) protests for the past couple of weeks. Those are the sources I trust after being fooled by others for many years.

As Americans we should all be interested in the truth even if it doesn’t match what we believe. Growing up in the forties and fifties I learned there were enemies of our American way of life. Nixon, who I voted for three times, was one of them. We were able to face the truth about him so I have a problem understanding why, when the evidence and facts are told to us, some can’t believe their ideology might be on the wrong track.

I guess the Clinton adage, “If you tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth” remains a thorn in the side of those trying to give us accurate news instead of stories that match whatever agenda some media outlets want to circulate.

Fogdog
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Fogdog
4 months ago

I pine for the days of several million dollar hunter biden level corruption in government vs. the several billion dollar levels currently. Fixed our corruption pipeline by drilling several holes in it.

OhNoYouDon't
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OhNoYouDon't
4 months ago
Reply to  Fogdog

It’s okay when “we” do it.
Sure.

Now, let’s talk about Weiner’s laptop …

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4 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

What are those links supposed to prove?

The NY Post story is a poorly written scattershot piece that does little more than identify various political organizations that have been involved in organizing protests in minneapolis and associates them by proximity to vague stories of fraud that the same paper is also pushing. Your first quote demonstrates both your and the Post’s unwillingness to engage the topic honestly. The 7.8 million was the total donated to the national group (of which the local minnesota group involved in the current protests is just one chapter) over the course of 5 years.

And the CBC link is just a story about an islamic political organization and it’s conflict with various state governments.

The fact that there are political organizations that do have people on salary and expenses like rent and utilities which are funded through the same fundraising mechanisms that all non profits use is not some major scoop and it doesn’t do anything to prove that the actual people showing up at protests are paid to be there.

If you’re confused about how a program like “ICE watch” works, there are plenty of longstanding “cop watch” programs around the country. There aren’t people literally following all agents 24/7, there are volunteers covering certain areas during shifts in their free time who make an effort to be a visible presence during police action to deter excessive physical force and to record activity to create a record.

This whole claim that there are paid protestors should be super simple to prove. If there are literally tens of thousands of people being paid to protest there is exactly 0% chance that none of them would be sharing their pay stubs publicly for all that sweet sweet internet clout. If all you are alleging is that there are politically focused non profits that have professional staff that are doing a lot of the administrative work of organizing protests then congrats, you have successfully learned about the political non-profit world that has existed very openly for decades across the political spectrum.

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago

You’re back! I missed you. Somehow I missed your earlier comment. Wahoo!

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
4 months ago
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Thanks for the welcome Kym, I’ve missed this place too.

Yabut
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4 months ago

“The sources identify named funders — Rockefeller Philanthropy Advisors, Tides Foundation, Solutions Project, Ford, MacArthur and Open Society Foundations — and link them to Minneapolis‑area nonprofits and activist networks involved in anti‑ICE activity but do not, in the materials provided, reproduce the specific IRS Form 990/Schedule I pages that definitively document each transfer; obtaining those primary 990 filings (from ProPublica Nonprofit Explorer, IRS EO filings or the foundations’ own grant disclosure databases) is the necessary next step to move from credible reportage to full documentary confirmation.”

As the aphorism puts it -the absence of proof is not proof of absence. But it will come sooner or later to prove or disprove. I imagine in some or another court case. You have no more idea of the validity of payment than anyone else. But some who do this full time are certainly getting their livelihood from these grants.

https://factually.co/fact-checks/justice/nonprofit-grants-irs-filings-transfers-minneapolis-anti-ice-groups-190146?origin=related

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4 months ago
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But no one has put forward the claim that there are no professionally staffed non profits engaged in organizing protests. This has been an open topic of discussion for decades and is the literal subject of what is often referred to as the most impactful supreme court decision of this young century (Citizens United).

Partisan commentators and more neutral government watchdogs alike have compiled reams of reporting and databases and maps tracing the webs of connection between wealthy individuals, their foundations, and the countless political nonprofits that litter the American political landscape.

The claim that has become popular of late is that specific protests, often numbering thousands, and more, participants, are fueled by people who are only there because they are paid. Thats the claim that keeps being raised. And none of the links you’ve posted have had anything to do with that. The most relevant ones have just been reporting on the existence of single issue non profits being funded by bigger and broader non profits.

Its all just insinuation that relies on the audience being ignorant and lacking curiosity to gain believers to a claim that would be quite easy to get some evidence for if it was remotely true. Much like the whole election fraud thing, just making a claim and then providing randomly tangential reporting next to claim doesn’t make a case. It’s just a way to appear like the claim that came out of someone’s arse has some legitimacy so true believers can be satisfied

Yabut
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4 months ago

Of course this has been claimed. It is the epitome of the questions themselves. Shining them on with a repetition of the history of previous shining on is not the same as answering the questions.

Yabut
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4 months ago

Oh, and they weren’t “proof.” They were evidence the issue is in the public eye and Ernie has every right to talk about.

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4 months ago
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No one has disputed that the issue has been in the public eye or told Ernie (or anyone else) that they don’t have a right to talk about it.

People have actually been engaging in the conversation started by the claim, and are now asking for some evidence of the claim. Thats where the conversation breaks down. There’s never any evidence for the claim, but the claim keeps being made.

havenrich
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4 months ago

Wow, thanks, I was wanting to say all of what I just read. Your writing is so much better than mine would have been. Right On!

Geoff
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4 months ago
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NY Post!! LOL!! Fishwrap.

OhNoYouDon't
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OhNoYouDon't
4 months ago
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The Washington Post!! LOL!! Fishwrap Bird cage liner.

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4 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

I saw those videos or organized supply lines with such rare things as granola bars and water bottles and knew there was a larger conspiracy afoot!

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4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Kym
I questioned my beliefs about paid political demonstrations, so I asked AI for their opinion. Sadly, I know that nobody is going to read this, and the ones that do may not believe it.

Here is what “Artificial Intelligence” said:

who is financing these political demonstrations

In early 2026, political demonstrations in the United States—predominantly anti-ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) rallies and “No Kings” anti-Trump protests—are being financed by a network of billionaire-backed foundations, labor unions, and non-profit organizations. KEYE +1

The primary financial backers and organizing entities identified in current reports include:
Major Philanthropic Backers 

  • George Soros & Open Society Foundations: Cited as a primary funder, having contributed an estimated $72.1 million to various activist groups. Specific grants include $7.6 million to Indivisible, a lead organizer of the “No Kings” rallies, and support for groups active in Minneapolis and Los Angeles.
  • Arabella Advisors Network: This “dark money” hub has funneled approximately $79.8 million through entities like the Sixteen Thirty Fund to at least 16 different partner organizations involved in major demonstrations.
  • Neville Roy Singham: A U.S. billionaire living in Shanghai, Singham is currently under congressional investigation for allegedly providing tens of millions of dollars to groups like The People’s Forum, which has been a prominent organizer of anti-ICE protests in 2025 and 2026.
  • Tides Foundation: This network has contributed roughly $45.5 million to allied protest groups, including $350,000 directly to Indivisible and millions more to Color of ChangeNewsNation
  •  +5

Institutional & State Support

  • Labor Unions: Major unions including the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) provide logistical support, transportation, and coordination for rallies.
  • Government Grants: Some activist groups receive substantial public funding. The Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights (CHIRLA), which led protests in Los Angeles, reportedly receives approximately $34 million to $35 million annually in grants from the state of California. KOMO
  •  +4

Primary Organizing Groups

  • Indivisible: A central coordinator for the “No Kings” protests, managing communications and data for participants.
  • Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL): Actively organizes large-scale anti-ICE protests and vigils across the country, particularly in the wake of the deaths of Renee Good and Alex Pretti in early 2026.
  • MoveOn.org: Mobilizes resources for nationwide initiatives, including the “Congress Works for Us” campaign, and receives significant funding from the Soros network. Wikipedia
  •  +5

Total funding identified for groups participating in these nationwide demonstrations is estimated at $294 million for the current cycle. While organizers maintain that they represent grassroots movements, critics and congressional investigators characterize the infrastructure as heavily subsidized by a small number of mega-donors

Kris
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4 months ago

I think she was referring to this local issue. The ER doctor wasn’t being paid to voice his opinion on Facebook. I highly doubt anyone was paid to attend any of the local protests. Are you saying anyone who voices a political opinion is getting paid?

As far as your AI thing. People already have a reason to protest, just because say Soros is supporting them doesn’t make their protest any less legitimate. They already have an opinion on the matter.

Like was mentioned above, who here is getting paid to voice a political opinion? I sure ain’t.

Ernie Branscomb
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4 months ago
Reply to  Kris

Kris
The comments moved from the Doctor to National politics, to which my comment was made.

” Are you saying anyone who voices a political opinion is getting paid?”

No, by FAR the most political demonstrators are honest people that truly believe what they are demonstrating for. However, there are political agitators that are paid for, and financed to make and distribute political material to foment discord.

Phycologists are probably having a field day trying to figure out who is the most insane and brainwashed, Trumpers or the Trumply deraigned.

I have a feeling that a bunch of folks are sick and tired of this petty political bullshit, and the brainwashing of children too young to think for themselves.

I think that we need to get back to what is good for us as Americans. We are making fools of ourselves, and paid agitators are glad to oblige us!

Barbara Leonard
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4 months ago
Reply to  Kris

That is not how I read Kim’s comments. I thought she was referring to exactly what Ernie has now clarified.

If people want to protest peacefully there is no problem, however, one should want to know how these protests start. I have seen several calls to arms here in Eureka on “next door” for the “no kings” “ICE OUT” protests.

I have no problem with the announcement, but I would like to know the original source and if it is an e-mail or text sent out to the DNC in every county around the country instructing them to organize against Trump and law enforcement.

Aren’t you just a little suspicious when what you might be protesting for could be damaging to us here in Humboldt and the country? Un-funding law enforcement, when their legality is on the books and is known to be legal according to our constitution, could work against our communities? There is nothing wrong with deportation of people we know to be criminals. Yet the protests continue with no thought to the safety of the communities protesting.

Recently, fear mongering has begun here in Humboldt re: “whatever will we do if ICE shows up here?”

If we co-operate with ICE and turn over any illegals in our jails or on our “watched list” it will be no problem. Eureka is touted as the small city with the most crimes per capita and Humboldt is called “the drug capital”. Are those labels we want?

Law enforcement should not be feared if you are not breaking the law, so why are these protests we see here all about scaring the gullible into thinking they are the enemy?

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
4 months ago

Ernie, you should look up Julie Fancelli.

The Washington Post previously reported that the Publix heiress was the largest publicly known donor to the rally – and had wired $650,000 to numerous groups behind the “Stop the Steal” organizing. But the interview transcript, which cites wire transfers as well as text messages and other communications involving Fancelli, shows her role was greater than previously known. When a Trump aide learned that Fancelli had offered a budget of $3 million, he wrote in a text message, “rich people are so odd.”

The documents also provide greater insight into Fancelli’s motivation for financing the activities, including personal devotion to Jones and Stone – about whom she repeatedly inquired, wanting to hear them speak on Jan. 6 – as well as faith in Kirk’s organizing capacities. “Where are Roger and Alex speaking?” she texted Caroline Wren, a veteran GOP fundraiser who facilitated the donations from her, according to the interview transcript. Wren declined to comment.

https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2022/12/22/publix-heiress-was-willing-to-spend-3-million-on-jan-6-rally-documents-show/

As for Soros, I’m still waiting for the pony I was allegedly (by right-wingers) promised for my opposition to the Iraq war. That’s been over 20 years ago. 🙂

Soros…a lot of people only know his name as some “radical left” boogeyman.

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4 months ago

Not to mention he’s pushing 100 yo and his kid runs his money.

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago

Ernie, I think we’re actually talking about two very different things.

You’re describing large, organized demonstrations. Those obviously take money—permits, buses, coordination, legal support. That’s been true forever, across the political spectrum. Charlie Kirk’s organization to Move On, all require money to operate.

I’m talking about something much smaller and far more ordinary: an ER doctor firing off an angry Facebook post to friends, and administrators reacting badly to it. That doesn’t require billionaires or coordination. People vent for free every day. Employers overreact for free every day.

When we collapse those two into one explanation, we start seeing puppet-masters where ordinary human behavior already explains a lot.

One caution about AI: it doesn’t decide what’s true. It responds to framing, context, and the material it’s trained on, and it’s very good at matching how a person thinks and talks over time. Ask it whether protests are funded and it will surface that. Ask whether institutions often mishandle conflict without outside pressure and it will surface that too.

Because of that, two people can use the same AI, ask what looks like the same question, and still get very different answers—not because the AI is lying, but because it’s reflecting different assumptions and priorities. So think very carefully before accepting AI as an answer. It will not challenge your assumptions hardly ever. Use it instead as a tool to get answers and shape your answers to be clearer.

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OhNoYouDon't
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

So, to your point, it was wrong for people to be fired for questioning covid online? Or making other personal remarks of their opinion?

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  OhNoYouDon't

It depends the situation. A teacher questioning COVID on their private Facebook post…absolutely wrong.

A Nurse whose job is to administer vaccines and whose board supports and takes money for COVID vaccine distribution publicly posting it, that might be another story.

Barbara Leonard
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Barbara Leonard
4 months ago

That is exactly what I have been reading and hearing for a couple of weeks. I have to add, the super organized protests cropping up within nanoseconds for the Palestinians, ICE OUT, NO KINGS have appeared very suspicious to my husband and me. Of course, we are Octogenarians who read and listen carefully because we found out early on the government does lie as well as the news sources we watch and read.

havenrich
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4 months ago

I haven’t been paid for any of my participation in the No Kings rallies/protests! I lived through the ’60s and never got paid for any of those events either…

Karl Verick
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Karl Verick
4 months ago

The important point is you AI is that there is zero evidence, zero, that any of the demonstrators are paid (agitators)

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago
Reply to  Karl Verick

But there is a huge gap between what goes into these organizations and what is obviously reasonable expenses. It is always part of a criminal investigation of fraud or malfeasance to look at expenses then ask for an accounting where that money came from. The absence of proof is not proof of the absence. It’s early days yet.

ABA
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ABA
4 months ago

Who is paying you to comment right now? Because it’s obviously impossible to hold and express opinions without outside funding.

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
4 months ago
Reply to  ABA

In admit, I was brainwashed by reality.

Your statement is ridiculous and not connected. I think they call that a “strawman argument”.

Barbara Leonard
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Barbara Leonard
4 months ago

Reality sucks doesn’t it? Your reply to ABA is spot on. Unfortunately, ideology has become more important than accepting facts and evidence.

We felt compelled to accept the facts re: Nixon even though we voted for him three times. That piece of history has been emblazoned in us, however, and now we do research before we vote.

All the things you listed have been reported on various media that has proved to be trustworthy. My guess is: you can google it and find the same facts about who is funding the Minnesota protests.

Doesn’t matter, there still are the noisy minority that refuse to see anything but their own ideology.

My husband and I are octogenarians. We have seen 8 decades of the past 100 years. What we know is: the climate is always changing and some candidates running for office have no record and they lie about that. Doesn’t matter what their party is, it happens on both sides.

What we have also (sadly) observed in the past 26 years is a shift in the democrat party to the far left socialist leaning and a real shift in the media from trustworthy to “not-so-much”.

We also know, the global fight of adversarial nations and religions to take over our world is something we should take seriously. In the 1940’s, by our government ignoring the signs and Churchill, we found ourselves in a fight for freedom which, had it not been for Pearl Harbor, we could have lost.

There are always wake up calls…the pouring in of foreign money to our country for creating chaos and division should be a wake up call for anyone who knows our history. Alas, the busy bees trying to take us down have done a pretty good job of indoctrination in our schools and our political parties.

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
4 months ago

Thank you Barbara for you thought provoking comment.

You might be surprised to find that I am against all of these partisan organisations that have recently sprung up. Charlie Kirks organisation Turning Point USA, is scary as hell. It is brainwashing kids into highly partisan politics. To me that is the wrong thing to do. We have enough of dangerous ideology, let alone a group that justifies their ideology because God is on their side.

Then there is the Trumply deranged extremists that justify their ridiculousness because they think that defeating Trump is the only way to saving the world. All of the extremist insanity is going to take down what most of us believe in.

I am firmly on the side of we are all Americans and we just want to live the American dream.

There are some advantages to being octogenarians… now if I could just remember what they are.

OhNoYouDon't
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OhNoYouDon't
4 months ago

What is going on with Turning Point is WEIRD.

It’s all agitation. Because: Divided We Fall

The fact that you and Barbara are down voted so fiercely is its own cause for concern. Welcome to the Balkanization of America …

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago
Reply to  ABA

So no one ever tries to influence American politics from outside the country? It wasn’t the point of the comment that people can have opinions without being paid. The point is asking if outside influences are paying to influence opinions. Assuming that this isn’t possible just because the opinions are congenial is very naive.

Karl
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4 months ago

Sorry Erie, on this issue, of ICE and the cruel lawlessness and corruption, I don’t see the moral or political equivalencies. Just as bigotry and antibigotry do not have equal weight. Unless you defend the bankrolled as ‘societies child’s. So too with antibiotics. Very few would equate Martin Luther King with the KKK. So too here. Since I was seven years old and pocketed segregationist George Wallace, my politics haven’t changed. They are still basically aligned with the teachings of MLK. The problem is that the country has swung far to the right. Maybe thats a result of neoroyalism, technofeudalism, or just angry rednecks. Blaming ‘both sides’ is a simplistic kop out. Love you bro.

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
4 months ago
Reply to  Karl

Love you back Karl. I agree that neither of us like the political turmoil that we currently find ourselves in.

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
4 months ago

Unfortunately for us, the current administration treats tribalism like a team sport.

OhNoYouDon't
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OhNoYouDon't
4 months ago

So did Epstein …

Geoff
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Geoff
4 months ago

Dirty Don has done just what Vlad Putin recruited him for–to destroy the US-European alliance (NATO) and to create strife within the US.

OhNoYouDon't
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OhNoYouDon't
4 months ago
Reply to  Geoff

Seriously? Wasn’t it Hillary as SoS who sold Russia uranium?

Smoky OG again
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Smoky OG again
4 months ago

Wrong article. Pay attention eejit.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
4 months ago
Reply to  Smoky OG again

What is an “eejit”…???

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
4 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Only an ‘idiot’ would not know that. Sorry TRG. couldn’t resist.

farfromputin
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4 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

An Irish term for “idiot”.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
4 months ago
Reply to  farfromputin

I know what it means…

My point is that it is obviously an insult…

Yet it remains…

It was clearly directed at the commenter that was deleted…

Art
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Art
4 months ago

Any hospital administrator who loves Charlie Kirk more than vaccines is an absolute fuckface moron who should go back to 6th grade.

Kirk support(ed) political violence via J6.

He should have been in a re-education camp with Trump and 25k others.

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Art

Art, that is a very very dangerous way of thinking. And the idea of someone supposedly liberal advocating for the evils of re-education camps should worry everyone but particularly yourself.

Art
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Art
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Let’s see how the next couple years and decades play out before we see the real extent of the damage.

J6 and MAGA are politically violent and anti democratic.

After the unconditional surrender of the German armed forces in May 1945, some German boys continued to fight in guerilla groups known as “Werewolves”.

During the following year, Allied occupation authorities required young Germans to undergo a “de-Nazification” process and training in democracy designed to counter the effects of twelve years of Nazi propaganda.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/indoctrinating-youth

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Art

They were not put in camps. Yes, Allied occupation authorities in Germany did some “de-Nazification” after 1945 to counter twelve years of Nazi propaganda. These efforts included purging textbooks, reforming the school system to emphasize democracy, and encouraging youth to adopt democratic values.

Art
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Art
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

…evils of re-education camps…”

Say you don’t know much about WW2 w/o saying you don’t know much about WW2.

Why would you cast a shadow on how the Hitler youth were re-educatec about Democracy and not hating Jews?

They weren’t taught Satanism for dogs sakes!

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Art

Post-war Allied powers, primarily the Soviets, operated special camps (Speziallager) from 1945–1950 to detain, screen, and, in some cases, ideologically re-educate perceived Nazis or opponents. These Soviet-run camps held over 157,000 people, with high mortality rates, and were later transferred to East German control.

Soviet Zone: The NKVD ran 10 special camps, such as Buchenwald (Nr. 2) and Sachsenhausen (Nr. 7), which served as internment and, for some, forced labor centers to combat Nazi influence.

Western Zones: While the U.S., UK, and France utilized internment camps for high-ranking Nazis and war criminals, they did not operate “re-education” camps in the same ideological, long-term sense as the Soviet special camps.

Art
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Art
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

High mortality rates in post WW2 German Europe…?

🤯

How could that be?

🤷‍♂️

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Art

SOVIET camps…hardly the model for those believing in democracy and liberal ideas.

Art
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Art
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

We can definitely do better than the Soviets did. I agree with you on that.

Art
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Art
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Heck said it took some time before he could forsake Hitler and accept the reality of the German experience in 
the Third Reich.

At first, he conceded nothing more than military defeat; when he saw the first evidence of mass killings, he “assumed they were fakes.” 

It was ultimately the evidence revealed at the Nuremberg trials and “several years of painful re-education” that made it possible for him to condemn, though reluctantly, Nazi ideology and activities.

He was to feel guilt, betrayal, 
shame over his zealousness, and a great deal of resentment toward his elders, especially his educators. 
He left Germany in 1951.

https://www-sms.stjohns.k12.fl.us/media/files/2016/05/A-Child-In-the-Hitler-Youth.pdf

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Art

Was he put in reeducation camps? No.

If perfect people ran re-education camps…maybe just maybe they might be good for society. But you cannot point to one where the abuses don’t far weigh the good.

Messing with people to make them believe like you is a pretty scary business and is almost always bad morally for the person doing the re-education.

Speaking as a former teacher, I know that education is one of the highest callings. BUT telling people what to think and forcing them to think like that is one of the lowest.

Art
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Art
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Yes, he was in a re-education camp.

Maybe J6 to Pretti wasn’t enough for you to see the dangers of a MAGA education?

Consider me different.

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Art

Nothing you have showed so far pointed to large scale re-education camps except in non democracies.

Art
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Art
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

The benefits of NAZI officers and supporters taken out of society – I’ll take.

Had the officers been left alone to live on than so would have the ideology more than it did, and that’s not a good thing.

That NAZI culture got the wrath of another’s illiberal motivation is not my biggest concern.

But I understand your intentions, while assuming you don’t understand mine.

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Art

Art, you just shifted from re-education camps to holding Nazi officers accountable for crimes. Those are not the same thing, and conflating them is the problem.

Kris
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Kris
4 months ago
Reply to  Art

The Chinese have quite a few re-education camps.

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago
Reply to  Kris

And put their investigative and propaganda branches on US college campuses, calling them Confucius Institutes. “However, there is another potential facet to the CI phenomenon. CIs were able to keep tabs on Chinese students at the host college or university. In fact, this function may be far more important to the Chinese government than conducting low-level surveillance on colleges and their environments.”
https://thediplomat.com/2023/11/the-rise-and-fall-of-confucius-institutes-in-the-us/

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Barbara Leonard
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Barbara Leonard
4 months ago
Reply to  Art

I think you should be careful about your thinking about J6….it’s possible, since we already know of some lies told by the committee investigating J6, there could be more to come.

Art
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Art
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

3 questions to ask when discussing re-education;

Was J6 politically violent and anti-democratic?

How many MAGA supporters have you convinced these 2 things to in the last 5 years?

How will they learn?

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Art

You are asking the wrong questions.

our job in a free society is not to make people think like us. History shows that when anyone—left or right—decides they are justified in forcing “correct” beliefs onto others, the result is abuse and moral rot.

Democracies don’t survive by coercion/re-education camps. They survive through open debate, evidence, persuasion, and the slow, frustrating work of people being allowed to be wrong. That process is imperfect—but it’s far safer than empowering anyone to decide which ideas are so dangerous that people must be forcibly “fixed.”

Yes, Jan. 6 was anti-democratic. But responding by endorsing re-education camps abandons the democratic principles you say you’re trying to defend. Once you normalize the idea that your side gets to decide who must be re-educated, you’ve crossed into territory that has never ended well—anywhere, ever.

Art
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Art
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Germany seems to have survived just fine by eliminating NAZI culture systemically.

The Soviet camps held many prisoners including most lower and mid rank nazi officials.

That’s why I mentioned the officers.

I’m not sure these are the wrong questions, and I understand your concern, but don’t we educate our youth about the terrors of slavery (before MAGAs assault on education).

To teach in our future that MAGA was anti-democratic and J6 was politically violent seems like the most benign of thoughts for a liberal.

That you think I want to starve people and kill them for stating that Kirk should be re-educated is not really my intent.

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Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Art

I support education, teaching history accurately, and accountability for crimes.

I do not support coercive ideological re-education work camps. Those are not the same thing.

I think we’ve gone as far as we can.

Art
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Art
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I’ll hand it to you and say that you’ve convinced me I could have used more specific language.

And I did learn a few things after researching the camps after your objections.

I’m not concerned about NAZI culture being treated in any terrible way by any terrible people.

My stated intentions were more revolving around education than starving and killing.

Thanks for your input

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Art

Thanks for not only being open to new ideas but even if not totally convinced willing to concede some points. The world would be better if we all did that.

Trinistan
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Trinistan
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Well said, this is dangerous rhetoric. There appears to be dangerous ideas being espoused from all sides anymore.

Barbara Leonard
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Barbara Leonard
4 months ago
Reply to  Art

It was more like 80 million but whose counting? The important thing is your response re: the name calling and accusation against Kirk. You clearly never saw a Charly Kirk podcast or rally and calling someone, you do not know and are completely unaware of his intent, a “fuck face moron” shows less than a 6th grade argument.

I am not saying you don’t have a right to your opinion, but all the immature name calling isn’t really necessary and says more about you than the person you have that opinion of. It would also be helpful if you had a background of actually watching Kirk, or reading one of his books so your opinion of him would be more truthful. He was not the enemy. He always invited those in opposition of his rally speeches to got to the head of the line and prove him wrong. That resulted in civil debate and some going away re-thinking their position and others feeling better about themselves.

If the hospital administrator really did fire the doctor over a difference of ideology he was clearly in the wrong. All people should have a right to express their opinions in a civl way. My guess is: this case will either be cleared up by a law suit or the doctor will hopefully coming here to work. We certainly need all the doctors we can get who want to assimilate into our community instead of the flow of six week wonders (especially in the ER department).

Art
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Art
4 months ago

Dr. Shipsey is in charge of hiring and firing.

He’s fired many:

https://youtu.be/5cATy6NfM48?si=EaB4xA-VlBpyT8yw

Here is him firing and killing other people’s cows for trespassing…because he’s “seen many cowboy movies”.

And he can’t practice in 2 states.

This is a MAGA doctor at work.

Humboldt Love
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Humboldt Love
4 months ago

What a wretched thing to do to the community and just plain stupid.

Johnson
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Johnson
4 months ago

I say we all get this Roger’s guy outta the hospital business. Dumb trump lover forgot we need Doctors not CEO’S.

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago
Reply to  Johnson

Blame is not the solution. “Ultimately, this underscores the importance of awareness and objectivity in maintaining high-quality patient care amidst political differences.”

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Tim
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Tim
4 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

It would be interesting to see how that chart lines up with how much money each of those disciplines make.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
4 months ago

Smith hasn’t been banned…

He’s only just been put on moderation…

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Lol

Apopa
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Apopa
4 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

I hope the doc has a great month of fishing. Let the toxic CEO clean out his desk and be escorted to his car.

Tim
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Tim
4 months ago

Welcome to fascism in America where your private, personal expressions of opinion result in losing your job when it doesn’t follow in lockstep with management.

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago
Reply to  Tim

Having been more than once called out by management to a level that makes this look mild, it is not different than it was twenty years ago. What is different is the willingness of uninvolved people to be totally politically partisan and make sure everyone knows it.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
4 months ago
Reply to  Tim

Why all the “fascism” fretting…???

Your management aligned, properly synchronized, commenting career and personal expressions of opinion, are perfectly safe and welcome here…

No worries…

Kris
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Kris
4 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

The moderator does not care what your politics are if you break the rules.

Mr. Clark
Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Tim

OH FFS, welcome indeed. The same thing happens, more offten, form the progressive on conservative. With DEI and affirmative action policy, a much higher percent of conservatives have been forced out of a position. St. Joe is a classic example. What doctors have left St. Joe last year? where is the uproar?

Mr. Clark
Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

So yes ”fascism” is the right adjective.

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

I thought there were medical staff leaving St. Joe’s because of the Admin’s position on abortion particularly the Nusslock case. Can you point us to medical personnel who were forced out for conservative positions? We did hope to find one but didn’t in a cursory search.

Sometimes though I find that what some frame as “oppression” what they’re really describing is that someone has the temerity to disagree with their positions/world view—or sometimes they blame political oppression when the reality is they struggle to follow basic rules of conduct.

Speech is still happening; it just isn’t being affirmed.

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Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Covid saw that happen wholesale. And it is not hard to find other examples of online- “A pro-life Illinois nurse who was fired after refusing to refer mothers for abortions won her case in court this week.” The trouble is that what one person sees as transparently unjustified, another might be willing to risk much over.

This case depends on exactly what this doctor posted and we have no idea what that was except for the disavowing it effected patient care. I wrote a comment about that lack but it hasn’t shown up.

https://www.lifenews.com/2021/10/29/nurse-wins-lawsuit-against-medical-center-that-fired-her-because-she-refused-to-assist-abortions/
https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2024/08/14/doctors-accused-of-spreading-misinformation-lose-certifications/

Tim
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Tim
4 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

You are conflating anti-mask, anti-vaccine, and anti-abortion medical positions in a medical facility with simple expressions of political viewpoint.

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago
Reply to  Tim

Lol since you have no idea what he said you can’t possibly say what it is. All the things you list BTW are connected to political opinions anyway. Political As I said in my earlier comment and you immediately showed correct “The trouble is that what one person sees as transparently unjustified, another might be willing to risk much over.” It’s scary not to recognize a political opinion when you have one.

Tim
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Tim
4 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

I believe the article includes the meme the doc shared and it is not related to medical care. All of the other examples you provided were related to medical care and patient-wellbeing.

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago
Reply to  Tim

SMH You have no idea what was said in that post. But it certainly doesn’t have to involve “medical care” to result in management action. You apparently want that to be the only allowable requirement for suspension but the reality is that it could be from a slur against a big time donor, a fellow doctor, the hospital or management that caused it. Anything that brings the hospital into disreputable. It could be a lot of things.

But I suspect, since ” Smith said he never imagined that expressing a personal opinion, even an impassioned one that was unconnected to his work could cost him his job”, that is really just what happened. And since that meme showed up, it is likely indicates what that attack was if not who it was against.

Barbara Leonard
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Barbara Leonard
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Speech isn’t being affirmed because we are so divided by ideology. For whatever reason the democrat party of today has not realized what Obama once said: “Elections have consequences”. I guess we are to believe only their elections are allowed to have consequences.

I have theories on why you never see conservatives and independents protesting in the street over a duly elected president or opposing policy opinions, however they are only theories and not proven factual.

In 80 plus years (67 since I cast my first vote) I have always known it is not “heresy” to vote across party lines. Today, that isn’t always a consideration when voting.

My question is: do we really want to live with only one opinion being realized without checks and balances and two heads working to make our country better? I actually long for a democrat party to return and add constructive solutions to the mix. Just uttering the hatred for our President and everything he is doing isn’t enough to make democrats whole again. Ideas and solutions discussed by both parties with respect for one another is the answer. Let’s get back to that, please.

Don’t we still have freedom “of” and not “from” religious belief? If the freedom of all opinions and religions and political beliefs are not adhered to what is left? Remember, we are all “created equally” and have equal rights under the law in a civilized society so what you have left, if those differences in belief are not respected is: citizens calling each other MFers and actually assassinating people with whom they do not agree. I have seen the enemy and “it is us”.

Besides showing ID for elections, perhaps we should have to expose our real ID for discussion platforms. I think that might assist in more civility and respect toward one another. I have always been struck by the most hateful comments coming from anonymous sources and often wondered which country is trying to flood us with some of the propaganda and violence inciting.

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago

“I have theories on why you never see conservatives and independents protesting in the street over a duly elected president ”

I have theories on why some folks ignore January 6….

Apopa
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Apopa
4 months ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

St Joe’s employee policy “book” gets changed weekly.
And be careful what you say about anything working there. As “at will” employees, they can fire you for farting in the bathroom if they want.

Sid
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Sid
4 months ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

Two of the eye docs have been trying to recruit a doctor or two to their practice for years. As they have aged out, they were forced to close the practice. I now have to go to Redding and a friend has chosen Santa Rosa. One M.D. I know is now taking his patients to Mad River because St. Joe admin wanted a cut on a specialty item his patients wanted. Guess their CEO in Washington doesn’t think 10 million a year is enough to live on.

norabbitholes
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norabbitholes
4 months ago

Mr. Rogers sounds like a real gem (sarcasm). His own posts sound more partisan and controversial than the good doctor’s. This business of simply not scheduling people rather than terminating them sounds like a ploy to avoid unemployment insurance or contract provisions, and I am sure there are lawyers who are well equipped to expose those practices if they exist. If Trinity County doesn’t want progressives, I’ll be sure to find another place to go fishing and hiking.

Trinistan
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Trinistan
4 months ago
Reply to  norabbitholes

Interesting comment as I haven’t read anywhere in this article or in the comments what Dr Smith actually said.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
4 months ago

🎵🎶Sometimes your the windshield…🎶🎵

🎵🎶Sometimes your the bug…🎶🎵

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago

It was beyond stupid that such a rare and important professional as a medical doctor who lived there was suspended over a purportedly private political post. But also there’s more than a little pussyfooting around the post itself in this article. How did a “private” post result in action so fast?

Denying it was referring to “a patient or patient care”, it is likely it could be assumed to refer in a direly personal way that the doctor held contempt for a local person or people who then complained to the management. Certainly if such a meme featured significantly, referring to how a child thought contemptuous about their parent based on their politics, it was not so generic as to be an accident and someone took it personally. It did not have to be the CEO. If the comments were truly “private” it was someone else tattling.

The issue is can fences be repaired for the community’s good after this sort of public hissy fit? This article seems reflect the issues common to this site with lots of specifics clear enough for the reader to know whose political side it takes. This is how we all got here. Sides will be surely taken in comments as it seems personal to those not even vaguely connected. The pot will be kept stirred.

Dusty Spritzwater
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Dusty Spritzwater
4 months ago

A lot of fun if you treat it right.

Charlie
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Charlie
4 months ago

These trumpigans suck Rogers is an idiot.

I like stars
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I like stars
4 months ago
Reply to  Charlie

Yah! Rogers probably can’t even write a coherent sentence.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
4 months ago

…”What many community members questioned was whether political expression was being restricted consistently, or whether consequences depended on which viewpoints were expressed.”…

“…The contrast sharpened concerns about selective enforcement…”

“.. that perception is widespread among staff, describing a workplace where political views aligned with administration appear tolerated while conflicting opinions carry professional risk.”…

-Redheaded Blackbelt-

______________________________________

Lot of that going around…

Except usually, it’s goes the other way around…


Dusty Spritzwater
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Dusty Spritzwater
4 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

So you’ve got examples? Like when Rogers was sanctioned for his “mandates” and Charlie Kirk posts?

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Guess
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Guess
4 months ago

My favorite thing!

Humboldt Granny
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Humboldt Granny
4 months ago

Wow. just… wow. A CEO whose social media ALWAYS trumpets his politi-cult views, and a drug-dealer doc banned from prescribing meds in Oregon because he says he flushed 19,000 hydrocodone pills down the toilet but can’t prove it just got rid of the only local ER doc in Trinity County? Who happens to be an incredibly kind human being… I was lucky to be treated by him in Trinity Hospital’s ER last year. Just shaking my head. If we haven’t gotten the memo yet that free speech is only for cult members, time to wake the F up.

I am a robot
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I am a robot
4 months ago

You and I must be related 😊❤️

Mr. Clark
Member
4 months ago

Are you saying Rogers is a doc? Who lost 19000 pills? You should explain that?

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
4 months ago

and a drug-dealer doc banned from prescribing meds in Oregon because he says he flushed 19,000 hydrocodone pills down the toilet but can’t prove it 

I know who you are talking about here, but I’m not sure how he relates to Trinity County? Has he moved there or something?

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Wow. There were couple of cases in Oregon in the oughts. This one and another one (the other one had prescribed 19,000 pills to one woman in just two years). 19,000 seems like a weird number for both to have had.

And yet they are both still practicing. Thanks. That was a sad rabbit hole.

Hopefully they are still disallowed from prescribing opiates.

Art
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Art
4 months ago

Angela, watch this about Oregon and Shipsey killing some cows.

It’s objectively interesting.

https://youtu.be/5cATy6NfM48?si=H2ItQeZCYq1fOX9E

Humboldt Granny
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Humboldt Granny
4 months ago

he can’t write prescriptions in Oregon, but at Trinity Hospital he gets to fire this ER doc. I’m guessing he’s in the cult, so it’s ok if he’s also a drug dealer.

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
4 months ago

That OR doc was Patrick Shipsey noted in Kym’s link. For all his crimes and malfeance the CA medical board let him off probation in 2008. People in Oregon that he pissed off haven’t forgotten his “look I’m a rancher!” antics. He was also fired from Pinnacle Medical because of his past, but even then, his probation against revocation of his medical license was ended upon appeal. He’s a smooth talker, if anything, if one reads the Medical Board decision. And they made note of that and a number of other things. Nobody needs 19,000 pills (and others) of oxy for a tiny clinic that never opened. And the cattle killing. And the money spent trying to sway a ballot initiative in his favor.

The MD Trinity let go needs a real hard look at what’s in the past of their own department heads if they’re going to base a decision on a private Facebook post. A real hard look.

MC medical recent board meeting. Shipsey was present at it.
Mr. Smith is still showing as a provider.

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Humboldt Granny
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Humboldt Granny
4 months ago

he is in charge of hiring and firing for Trinity Hospital

Seriously
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Seriously
4 months ago

Plenty of free speech allowed in Humboldt, and it’s overwhelmingly far left lol .,

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Seriously

Read my comment section much?

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Are you saying that is not real? Maybe that’s the “frequency illusion.” Heck, how many times have you yourself cited how liberal Humboldt is.

What would happen if an objective standard of liberal/conservative was developed (a very unlikely happening in the first place) and each comment was tallied in either cattagory? Before 10 am would be the only time it was weighted towards conservative. Liberals seem to show up later but when they do, they really pile on.

In case you are wondering, moderating me has made me think more in terms of personal comments. Before, even though you took them personally, it was more about the affect of overall news reportingin the country. Now, since nothing is just out there, it has become much more specifically personal.

https://www.verywellmind.com/the-baader-meinhof-phenomenon-11767616

Bill
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Bill
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

*snort*

I am a robot
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I am a robot
4 months ago

Wow. Just wow. Shooting onesself in the foot and have no ER doc.

Omnomnonimous
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Omnomnonimous
4 months ago

This doesn’t just affect Trinity County, this impacts all of us up here throughout the rural regions of NorCal. This rat bastard Rogers just made it that much more difficult for all of our communities to recruit and retain qualified medical professionals. [edit]

David King
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David King
4 months ago

Im a little confused. If the hospital is a private business and they do not want Democrats on staff and they want to send a clear message to the community that Democrats are not welcome that is their right. Now if this hospital receives a penny of tax dollars then there is a real problem. Isn’t this the situation at hand?

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago
Reply to  David King

No. Not even in the same universe.

Art
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Art
4 months ago

Lisa,

Good work, the article gets way deeper than the Trinity Journal article.

Good read and a lot of perspective given.

Trinistan
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Trinistan
4 months ago
Reply to  Art

While I think Lisa does a great job normally, this article has a huge gap! If you think it was just some lawn sign meme that triggered this you are wrong.

Art
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Art
4 months ago
Reply to  Trinistan

I don’t think that for one second.

My problem is:

1)prejudice and bias in enforcement or policy by Hospital admin,

2)anti-vax stances by Hospital corporates and employees,

3)supporting political violence (by supporting Kirk who supported J6)

and

4)misrepresenting Smiths posts as the vocalizing of not treating a group of people.

Trinistan
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Trinistan
4 months ago
Reply to  Art

Yes, the hospital administration, and definitely the mountain community hospital board is full of biased individuals. I can say this from first hand experience. I don’t like these people, however, Dr Smith provided them with plenty of material to use in justifying his removal from the ER schedule.

Like all institutions run by humans, it is subject to corruption and bias. It’s just more obvious in a smaller community. The people who run Trinity just don’t have to be as sophisticated about obscuring it as compared to larger more complex communities. That’s is simply a reality of human society. Not ideal, but it is the truth as I see it.

Is Dr Smith, a well educated and knowledgeable professional so naive to think that being FB friends with Mr Rogers and probably others, who wouldn’t hesitate to show him the door if given the chance, was a good idea? That’s just plain ignorance. There is no way in hell I would be friends/friendly with the hardliner old school guard of Weaverville/trinity.

Will things change for the better of the community overall after this situation? Well I’m not gonna hold my breath. People will care for a few minutes and then never go the extra miles needed to really change things. I wish it was different.

Crap
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Crap
4 months ago

This type of shit needs to stop. It started with the left firing people because of their political views and now both sides do it. My political views are none of my employers damn business. While the courts say 1st amendment does not cover employers the law does say you can not discriminate against someone for their race religion or political views. If I am in the ER I dont give a shit about the medical teams political views all I care about is their skill and if they treat me properly.

Karl
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Karl
4 months ago
Reply to  Crap

At least partially correct. Private employers have a right to discriminate based on political speech. The government does not. If a private employer fires or silences staff for political speak they will likely suffer reputation all harm. If punishing political speech violates their own human resource policies, there’s a problem there. Of course some political speech can be offensive, such as hate speech. So, in this specific case, if someone just posted the lyrics of Bruce Springsteen’s new song, could they be disciplined or fired?

Crap
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Crap
4 months ago
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I am sick and tired of people being offended. They can kiss my ass.

If i am off the clock it in none of my employers business what I do as long as I am not committing a crime. That is called slavery ie telling me what to do when i am not on the clock. This I’m offended toxic manipulation is off the hook.

Perhaps all these offended people need to grow a spine.

Quantum Quipster
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4 months ago
Reply to  Karl

I know the company that I work for which is based in Idaho, retaliating against someone for political views or speech is a third rail and they would never do it. So I think you’re wrong.
“In California, employers cannot discriminate against workers based on political speech and affiliation, especially outside of work. Still, even though employees can engage in political activities outside of their working hours without fear of retaliation from their employers there are certain scenarios where an employee’s outside of work political speech or activity can lead to discipline or termination.

https://maisonlaw.com/employment-law/wrongful-termination/political-speech/#:~:text=In%20California%2C%20employers%20cannot%20discriminate%20against%20workers%20based%20on%20political%20speech%20and%20affiliation%2C%20especially%20outside%20of%20work.

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Sara
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Sara
4 months ago

They act like there are medical professionals lined up at the gate just eager and waiting to treat nowhereville Trinity county. You want to treat them like they’re dispensable then I guess so are the lives and well being of community members who rely on care there.

Kris
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Kris
4 months ago

When Charlie Kirt was shot I don’t think he cared what the politics of the E.R. doctor was that saw him at the hospital.

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago
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Well he was likely already dead by the time he got to a hospital, so you’re likely right.

Karl
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Karl
4 months ago

What the hell!??. Having worked my entire nursing career in a small rural hospital. I know how hard it is to find qualified doctors and nurses, especially ones that settle in locally. This is crazy Weaverville. I too was deeply and emotionally effected by the killing of Alex Pretti. Does the Weaverville community recognize the parallels between your hospital CEO actions and the Trump administration going after perceived ‘enemies within’, including the firing of many career employees. Will Trinity Hospital require all need employees, as a litmus test, to believe that Trump actually won the 2020 election. That’s where this appears to be going. The self destruction boggles the mind. Your CEO has some splicing to do.

farfromputin
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4 months ago

As a fly fisherman (barbless) myself, I know you are calm and collected. You post on social media, a sign of your social connectivity. You will use this downtime to develop a plan. You have my best wishes.

Local Local
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Local Local
4 months ago

How much you wanna bet . . . Rogers has adult children who aren’t talking to him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wQhY5CMMl4

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago
Reply to  Local Local

Then what do want to bet that was the intend of the doctor’s post?

Yoink
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Yoink
4 months ago

They were so lucky to have him. Shipley was guilty of trafficking narc pills he kept hidden in tires and faked their destruction but he gets to fire a Dr because he facebooked a private stance on ICE. Cruel world.

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago

Kym, apparently you are removing my comments that are related to reporting and not any of your rules on commenting. Might does not make right.

Advice
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Advice
4 months ago

Leave that Sh… hole Trump county! They don’t deserve you! What they did is called “Constructive Termination”. It is termination however they couch it to protect themselves. Get a good personal injury/employment attorney in San Francisco or Oakland, move jurisdictional ton to file you suit in the Bay Area and go live your life where you are appreciated. Not only as a professional but as a human. Good luck! You can find a job anywhere you want! Your skills are in the highest demand.

Ron Parker
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Ron Parker
4 months ago

We would love to have you in Mendocino County.

Danielle Kitchman
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Danielle Kitchman
4 months ago

That’s great now show us what the words of the post said! As far as showing their political support one way or another that’s fine. You mention the CEO because he has support for Charlie Kirk on his page and stop the mandate did the CEO post derogatory Memes against supporters of the pther political side? Did the CEO post something that could make that group of peole question what care he would provide (besides just not liking him because he supports Trump) what does a Meme talking about Trump supporters kids have to do with support for a shot nurse? Get freaking real!!!

Trinistan
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4 months ago
Reply to  Lisa Music

Lisa, did Dr Smith ask you to not print what he posted? I think there needs to be a balancing here and the lawn sign meme is not what lead to his removal from the ER schedule.

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4 months ago
Reply to  Trinistan

Since the posts in question were originally private and to only friends, she’s under no obligation to print anything, with or without his consent. Somebody wanted to take a potshot at Mr. Smith and did so, and ran to his boss with this expose. Since Shipsey is mentioned, he had better consider his quite contentious past with rural folks himself when passing judgment. He too was/is a very competent MD; however, Facebook and other social media beyond AOL didn’t yet exist to spew one’s politics back then. Would he be given a pass AND also keep his job?. I don’t think so.

Trinistan
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Trinistan
4 months ago

Yes, Lisa has explained this. Dr Smith’s girlfriend has been leading the online charge to have the hospital administration decision brought into the public space (she actively posted the hospital board meeting time and place, asked people to come speak out and was the first person to publicly disclose the situation).

Now I’m fully aware that Dr Smith may not have any control over his girlfriend’s actions but her level of involvement suggests he is using or allowing her to force the issue into the public. So why not let everyone see for themselves what he was saying, unless…you have something to hide.

In fact, as Lisa has explained, she has read and has access to his postings in question. Maybe they were FB friends before all this. I suspect Dr Smith has provided access to the article’s author in hopes of rally public support for his position, while simultaneously not agreeing to allow the posts to be made public. Maybe Dr Smith realizes a reasonable analysis of the situation would show his removal from the ER schedule to be prudent from an administrative standpoint.

While I am not sure I agree with a permanent removal from the schedule (the same impact as firing), trying to force the issue with public support will only permanently taint the waters such that he will never be added back to the schedule.

At this point we may never know since it’s all cloaked behind privacy, however I have read all the posts in question and they were definitely inflammatory and spiraling out of control. Not really something a person of higher education, professional licensure, and an important societal role should be saying to be honest.

Trinistan
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4 months ago
Reply to  Lisa Music

Yes, it is clear that many people, hospital staff and the public, view this as a first amendment issue. Which is an unfortunate misnomer.

The issue I see as observer of situation is that being a physician is a very important profession. Good decision making skills, required to be an ER physician, needs the support and confidence of the staff to which they are all part of a team. I suspect a reasonable administrator would be very concerned about the mental state of a physician, which they rely on, to make critical decisions if they read Dr Smith’s posts.

Had Dr Smith just understood the need to take a break, maybe a short vacation, calm down and not drag this issue into the public, maybe he would have been placed back on the schedule.

Unfortunately, this was not his approach and now it appears plausible the administration has lost total confidence in Dr Smiths decision making skills. Or atleast Dr Smith and his girlfriend have given the hospital board the cover they needed to force him out based on politics. The truth will probably never be known.

Amanda Myers
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Amanda Myers
4 months ago

I am so tired of hearing people complain over someone’s opinion or comments made about politics. If you have nothing nice to say, then don’t say anything at all.

Martin
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4 months ago

Because he is an emergency room doctor and shared is political views on social media is no damn reason to remove him. He has been working for the hospital since 2014. You people that had him removed are going to cost a person or more their life. I would classify you as brainless idiots that don’t give a damn or anything but yourselves. Come to Eureka doctor we need more.

Geoff
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Geoff
4 months ago

Because “Charlie Kirk” is a Christian, he removes help from local residents.

Got it.

Jessica Mines
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Jessica Mines
4 months ago

So the board members and higher Dr can post I am Charlie Kirk and trump this and that. but and ER dr gets fired for the making a post. What Hypocrisy!! I have hear Dr SHipsey is not a good person and that is showing today. A small county cant afford to lose any Dr or Nurse and choose to move to a dying town like trinity. Seems to me they are pushing him out because he is not MAGA. Our town cant afford to lose a good DR over political control. SHAME on Dr Shipsey and Mr Rogers.

Quantum Quipster
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4 months ago
Reply to  Jessica Mines

Dr. Shipsey’s got a lot of splaining to do.

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Trinistan
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Trinistan
4 months ago
Reply to  Jessica Mines

Posting “I am Charlie Kirk” is not equivalent to what Dr Smith’s was saying. This wasn’t some meme war.

Humboldt
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Humboldt
4 months ago

Holy Cow!
The shit is really hitting the fan.

Who owns that hospital?

That is the place to start. The owners obviously are letting the CEO get away with this.

This is why hospitals should not be privately owned.

See? The haters are right here, in northern California. With people embedded in places of authority, they can cause this kind of havoc.

The 21st century American civil war will not be State versus State.

It is things like this.

Ignorant, fascist fundamentals versus those who value life and diversity.

He should sue the pants off of them.

Trinistan
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Trinistan
4 months ago
Reply to  Humboldt

It’s not just the CEO, but the hospital board is anchored by a number of old school hardliners. While I don’t like the way they handled this, I suspect there is limited grounds to sue them. The problem starts with you not even knowing what was actually posted. If I was the hospital administrator Id be concerned about what direction the postings were at and heading.

Private citizen
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Private citizen
4 months ago

Alright so who was the rat that shared the post with his boss? $100 they also call people snowflakes

Trinistan
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Trinistan
4 months ago

As a long time Trinity resident I know Dr Smith, Mr. Rogers, and many of the people from all corners of the county. While I am saddened by the events, Dr Smith should have seen it coming. I say this as I have actually read all the posts and watched all the reels Dr Smith has been uploading.

And so this is the problem I see with the article: it actually doesn’t quote what Dr Smith posted. Just a law sign meme isn’t reflective of what was said and the tone. It wasn’t even just one posting, but a series of increasingly negative (to put it mildly) statements. Maybe Dr Smith asked the posts not be shared in this article (which is a bad sign), maybe the author or editor chose to omit them. I don’t know.

I read that Dr Smith claims to not engage in political discussions online, but a number of his posts are highly political. He did engage with some people and I read the conversations. I honestly think he’s a well meaning guy, but the tone and language he used should cause concern to any levelheaded person.

Free speech isn’t absolute and it can definitely have consequences. I suspect the trust between Dr Smith and the old school establishment figures of the county have been permanently destroyed. It’s an unfortunate, but if I was Dr Smith I’d go look for a new place to work. No doubt there will be plenty of the places that won’t look to personally destroy him forever after.

Trinistan
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Trinistan
4 months ago
Reply to  Lisa Music

I appreciate your clarifications. While I haven’t counted the posts your number sounds approximately correct. However, I was also including Dr Smith’s reels on both Facebook and IG.

The frequency and tone escalated following Ms Good’s death and reached an another level after Mr Pretti’s death. I know these were highly emotional reactions, but the article still lacks the substance needed for readers to fully understand what the basis of the hospital administration decisions.

RHBB is, by far, the best investigative news organization in the emerald triangle and I deeply respect Kym and yours work. Thank you

ERSaysHi
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ERSaysHi
4 months ago

Northern California, especially Trinity County, can’t afford to cut off its nose to spite its face when it comes to healthcare workers.
Rogers is sounding an awful lot like a polarized hypocrite and has done a tremendous disservice to his very small community. The Board should vote to remove him before he does further damage to the hospital’s credibility.
Social media policies are not uncommon, but the doc was expressing his feelings to a limited and private audience, not blasting it in a group or anywhere visible by the masses. His speech is being chilled by someone who doesn’t agree with him politically, but also by someone who looks like a vindictive and petty individual who sought to use his position in the organization to draw a line in the sand when it comes to private expression of opinions.

If the Board would like a consultation on how to move forward with Rogers’ ouster, I’ve got some time available. You guys shouldn’t sleep on getting rid of him. This will spread like a cancer through that hospital and you’ll have folks driving to Redding for care because nobody will work in Trinity. People will lose their lives as a direct result of an overzealous administrator.

Samurai
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4 months ago

Just gotta say…

I’m enjoying damn near all of this comment thread, for the first time in a while.

The exchange of ideas and perspectives almost passes as healthy, productive, and enlightening.

Props to Kym, and most of these commenters for keeping it real, respectful, and reasoned; it speaks to what a venue like this can be.

I look forward to a time and place where public squares are a welcome reminder of the complexities and common ground of the citizenry.

Taking into account the good doctor’s recent experience, however, and in light of the gross manipulation and commodification of our particular persuasions by the oligarchs and tech wizards, I exhort this tribe of seekers to abandon all “social media” platforms, and keep it a buck right here.

”All politics is local.”

Trinistan
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Trinistan
4 months ago
Reply to  Samurai

Agreed!

Smoky OG again
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Smoky OG again
4 months ago

I was gonna make a bucket list road trip with my dear old cuz this year to kentucky and nashville…soak up some fine tunes…and scenery..dollywood…but turns out I’ll likely find the backwoods kentucky experience right here in weaver-tucky-ville! Hay-tucky-fork!
Gonna miss nashville tho!

Poking the bear,
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Poking the bear,
4 months ago
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Trinity county is another providence ran hospital. Personally I avoid them. I have seen better Healthcare in third world countries.

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
4 months ago

Which ones?

Buttuh
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Buttuh
4 months ago

Sounds to me like Dr.Smith was canceled by a conservative for his hateful post, which we have yet to see. Yet the left loves to cancel conservative rhetoric, hateful or not, by any means possible. Including assassination. How ironic.
The pictures of Aaron Roger’s social media account may as well be bumper stickers. Does he post hateful rhetoric? Not to my knowledge. He has however in his 11 years here brought MCHD from the brink of bankruptcy, re-established a much needed skilled nursing facility, built a clinic and guided MCHD through the disastrous draconian covid lock down among other things. We wouldn’t have a hospital if it wasn’t for him.
Videos show Alex Pretti violently engaging law enforcement, while armed no less, in the weeks before his death. A recipe for suicide by cop. If he only would have been doing his job as a Healthcare worker this never would have happened.

Art
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Art
4 months ago
Reply to  Buttuh

Funny you mention bummer stickers.

The CEO Aaron Rogers got involved a year ago in an incident in which a person put a sticker on a Tesla parked in the parking lot at Hospital.

Aaron pushed the ahem, victim, for charges in this case, and worse, the DA was maga-go-lucky about it and so tickled at the idea of prosecuting an anti fascist sticker placer that he went home happy to see his wife for the first time.

The case didn’t go anywhere, as any dumbass could have guessed, but that the DA and Aaron Roger’s got a boner over trying to prosecute for one sticker was unforgettably stupid.

Seen
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Seen
4 months ago

Let me guess who owns the hospital, Adventist Health? Yes, a google confirms this. BIG surprise, NOT. Adventist is the most un Christian organization ever, although they proclaim to be Christian. They cannot keep good staff, use them up and toss them aside. Been happening for years. Try talking to any of the interns at Ukiah, even the ones who get out (some have given up medicine altogether) they live in fear of retaliation. All power to the people of Trinity County. Keep speaking up and showing up!!!

Buttuh
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Buttuh
4 months ago
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Trinity Hospital is owned by the Mountain Communities Health Care District