More than 110,000 Californians With Blue Shield Insurance Will be out-of-network for Providence starting June 1

Emergency Room Providence St. Joseph Hospital in Eureka. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
On Monday, more than 110,000 patients will be notified they will lose in-network coverage to Providence hospitals, clinics and affiliated physicians starting June 1 because due to Blue Shield’s refusal to cover the cost of care and its continued denials and delays in approving needed patient care.
This week the presidents of 10 Providence-affiliated physician groups in southern California wrote a letter to Blue Shield urging the insurance company to improve its offer to ensure members get the care they need in a timely fashion and support market competitive wages for the caregivers and physicians who care for them.
“It has come to our attention that the proposed renewal rates you are offering in negotiations with Providence are below current market standards and are therefore a barrier to providing the high-quality care that our patients expect and deserve,” the letter reads.
The groups have more than 2,800 physicians serving 106,000 Blue Shield patients.
Their main concern is Blue Shield’s lack of response to the Providence negotiations to fairly adjust contracted rates before the contracts ends, even after requesting an extension to negotiations. Additionally, the escalating denials and delays in coverage for physician-ordered treatments, procedures and medications for their patients is of grave concern.
“The fact that Blue Shield continues to deny or delay coverage for necessary patient care at an alarming rate, with denials increasing by almost $250 million from 2019 to 2023, is egregious,” the letter states. “As physicians we cannot accept that our patients are often being denied treatment for essential care, including medications, therapies and procedures.”
As Providence reported earlier this week, Blue Shield denials have increased by 11.7% just this year. That means Providence is not being paid for care provided. At the same time, Blue Shield of California has increased accounts receivable from 24.9% in 2019 to almost 37% in 2023, earning high interest rates on those funds while delaying payments.
Providence also relies on adequate and timely reimbursement to pay its employees market-competitive wages and to cover the rising costs of pharmaceuticals and supplies, which increased 19% from 2020-22. Doctors, too, said in their letter their pay is declining as they absorb costs that insurance is expected pay, reflective of a nationwide trend.
The doctors are concerned a failure to approve a new contract will result in disruptions in care for patients as they go through the process of changing health plans to maintain relationships with their trusted physicians and hospitals.
But with just days left before notices go out to patients to find new physicians and hospitals, no progress is being made. Providence is concerned for its patients. Health insurance should make care more accessible, but nearly two-thirds (62%) of patients surveyed say their insurer makes it harder to get services they need.
“We’ve covered these rising costs at an operational loss for several years and we simply can’t continue to finance the cost of providing care all alone. We need a partner,” said Laureen Driscoll, chief executive of Providence California. “They must adjust their rates to compensate for the increased financial pressures on wages, pharmaceuticals and supply costs and the cost of advanced technology that helps improve patient outcomes.”
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They just finished pulling this shit at Adventist Health…
A new agreement was reached, and, coverage was returned…
Providence is just as bad as Adventist, but in Humboldt, their facilities are third-rate, and their Compensation Profiles are well below average, for the California market…
I refused to work there, 10 years ago, but patients who are treated this way should rebel…
There will be a negotiation, and a new contract will magically appear!
Except it’s Providence, through their affiliated doctors, doing the complaining about the insurance company reimbursement. Which is where the money to pay employees is created. How is this issue because Providence is such a poor employer?
one’s an insurer, one’s a provider, one that shouldn’t get anymore involved is the government
It’s a great example of how insurance companies force us all to choke down the care that is directed by the insurance company, and not as ordered by providers…
Having “Faith-Based Corporations” in charge of Healthcare is bad enough, but our Government forced corporatization so that negotiations would be easier due to fewer Companies providing services…
Insurance Companies represent many Insureds, and not a few of the insured are Seniors, so it’s pretty cruel to pull contracts in order to force providers to accept assigned fees-for-services, but this is America, so it’s all operated by Boards and Lawyers and who cares about the users we insure and provide for…
As far as Providence being a poor-quality employer, well hell, they’re Catholic, so they are cheap-ass mofos, and if you don’t like it, don’t use it or work there, like me! Easy!
I have to pay for Blue Shield, Part, B, D and E, and remember, Medicare isn’t free…
yeah, medicare isn’t free if you’re retired on social security. i blame ACA for the total fiasco of medical care, it wasn’t great before, but it does suck now,(most providers and insurers, and all the gov’t)
if they wern’t required by law to cover care for non-insured, gonna flake on their bill folks, and undocumented visitors, their costs wouldn’t be so high, and resources over taxed, just my felling on it all.
Providence is a mismanaged disaster. Its all we have here, so we are stuck with it. Blue shield is just as bad. Nothing wrong with profit but this is greed.
Before the Progressives wake up and start waving their magic wand cure, Medicare-for-All, being the fix for health care, see how the government has monitored health insurance under ACA when they clearly were required to do so by their own laws. It’s not that health care isn’t becoming more and more of a mess where administrators outnumber providers, it’s that government has made it worse at every opportunity. Only the most delusional of Progressives remain adamant that the very people, who keep trying to regulate everything under the sun then turn around and refuse to pay for the regulation, are the ones to fix it?
Government employees are expensive with the mass of regulation imposed by law so the government does not like having them around to do the nasty things like monitoring health insurance, which can come back to bite politicians. Like maintenence on roads, government avoids the nitty gritty details of keeping up existing programs in preference for shiny new programs- they prefer to binge fill in potholes rather than do unappreciated ongoing maintenance. But according to way too many commenters here, especially the ones who complain the loudest, more government is The Fix. It’s easiest. And everyone believes in easy these days.
“It’s a handy way for insurers to keep revenue high — and just the sort of thing that provisions of the Affordable Care Act were meant to prevent. Because the law prohibited insurers from deploying previously profit-protecting measures such as refusing to cover patients with preexisting conditions, the authors worried that insurers would compensate by increasing the number of denials…
And so, the law tasked the Department of Health and Human Services with monitoring denials both by health plans on the Obamacare marketplace and those offered through employers and insurers. It hasn’t fulfilled that assignment. Thus, denials have become another predictable, miserable part of the patient experience, with countless Americans unjustly being forced to pay out-of-pocket or, faced with that prospect, forgoing needed medical help…
Federal oversight and enforcement based on the data are, therefore, more or less nonexistent.”
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/analysis-health-insurance-claim-denials-are-on-the-rise-to-the-detriment-of-patients
You have too much time on your hands
Your rejection of MEDICARE4ALL reveals your ignorance
I do treat readers of comments as if they were all capable of understanding. Or at least reading. I do this with the foreknowledge that this is a fantasy.
yes, unfortunately mr robot appears to need their oil changed.
Please by all means state your rational, fact based rebuttal.
The above poster rationally stated a convincing argument complete with a neutral (allegedly) reference, yet you just throw around person attacks because you have no argument.
In other words, you are proving their point.
While you are at it, feel free to take a deep dive on the reality of “universal health care” in other countries. News flash: It is not what the propaganda has convinced you.
Countries with Universal Government-funded healthcare spend less per capita, receive higher scores for access and quality, have lower rates of infant and maternal mortality, and report higher rates of public satisfaction.
https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserver/9c62995d-en.pdf?expires=1711831037&id=id&accname=guest&checksum=278B3117D2EFFB9F2BD36A44E4C6DE01#:~:text
https://healthsystemsfacts.org/
Maybe you can do some reading of those links because at the moment I’m too fed up with commenter superficiality to do it. The first link is a book review and gives no data. The second is a compendium of selected opinions and studies, which while giving no data itself, gives links to other places that might include data. It’s just too many with too little information for me to spend more hours trying to check it out only to get dismissed..
One question I have always had, is, while advocates tout the benefits of single payer systems because they cost less per capita, no one seems to specify whether increased taxes that pay for some country’s less expensive health care are counted and how. Then every single country that has universal health coverage does it differently. And it is impossible to compare them as they use different standards in what they count and how the count. Americans still have a sizeable larger median income that 95% of Eureopean countries and maybe it comes down to being able to pay more out of pocket because we can.
It goes against my personal experience that people who have a chronic or serious illness get less care from government run health insurance in Europe than we have the opportunity to get here. At least it was true a decade ago. But the commenters here in the US seem to think themselves poor and everyone else rich enough to support them. They don’t want to discuss it. They want someone to take care of them. Government efforts to grease those squeaky wheels has resulted in poorer and poorer care here. So pony up some research to change my mind. I’ve yet to see anything but promises and fantasy iffered.
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2019/universal-health-coverage-eight-countries
Apologies. I cut off part of the url
Here’s the link that shows that countries with Universal Government-funded healthcare spend less per capita, receive higher scores for access and quality, have lower rates of infant and maternal mortality: https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserver/9c62995d-en.pdf?expires=1711834984&id=id&accname=guest&checksum=089E8B187B2C308932CF64F520BDC9EE#:~:text=satisfaction%20with%20the%20health%20care,%25)%20and%20Greece%20(42%25).
Countries with universal healthcare also tend to have longer life expectancies: https://www.worlddata.info/life-expectancy.php#:~:text=Life%20expectancy%20for%20men%20and%20women&text=On%20average%2C%20US%20women%20are,77.7%20and%2083.3%20years%20respectively.
And, in general, the people there just tend to be happier: https://worldhappiness.report/ed/2020/social-environments-for-world-happiness/
Of course they tend to be happier. The vast majority of people everywhere like the idea of not having to pay for health care. Everyone likes that. And for most who have limited or usual illnesses, the advantage of not having to pay far outweighs the freedom to choose care.
But if the patient has an unusual problem, or one the single payer does not recognize as urgent, they very well will not be so happy. When they are told they can not have a joint replacement or organ transplant or continuing therapy, they may not be so happy. Still the vast majority will still be much more happy than the group who has a byzantine insurance system for everything but actually ends up providing those with needs better results.
If he is even made aware of the possibility of treatment other than what the government offers. Which BTW was one of the issues I looked into when trying to figure out stats in various countries. Turned out if you don’t do routine screening for cancer, then any cancers found aremore likely to be found too late to cure and thus end up being excluded from hospital treatment stats as untreatable. Voila, the stats from the hospital look better. Or if your statistics list every premature infant death as “stillborn” if they die within a month of birth, suddenly the hospital looks a lot better than one who has a much better survival rate for high risk premies. Taking on difficult cases with poor recovery rates dings Healthcare statistics but, if you’re one of those, you still want the effort. These are hard issues to tease out across languages and diverse systems but real examples from my own reading. To blythly swallow stats as offered with an agenda without understanding their limits is foolish.
It is true that capitalistic health care wastes money. It is much more efficient, if you’re lucky enough to have a government interested in efficiency, to have a single authority. But overcoming that monolithic system when it does not produce results is almost impossible. Whereas finding someone to offer alternatives in a capitalistic system is much easier.
As for a longer life span, well having a freewheeling individualistic economy in a diverse culture creates lots of violence and opportunity to make fatal mistakes. That would have little little to do with Healthcare.
your slavish obeisance to every illiberal, regressive initiative that Giveaway Joe and his master foist on taxpayers is the ignorant move.
ACA enabled many more to be insured including those with pre-existing medical issues who previously were unable to get insured, do you have a problem with that? Do you have a problem with the Federal program Medicare? I have a problem with CEOs of big pharma, large hospital network CEOs and insurance company CEOs making exorbitant amounts of $$$$ while the health care workers and patients they care for are treated like crap.
Its almost like you did not bother to read past the first sentence.
Did you read the part of my comment about the government not funding the obligations they gave themselves to supervise insurance companies because, while the ACA law envisioned the problems it created in capping the ability of insurance companies to raise premiums and supervision as the prevention, they failed to do it? Do you have no problem with what is going on now? Because that is the result of the government not doing what they are required to do. Which of course is the complaint at the start of this press release about “continued denials and delays in approving needed patient care.”
Yet you run off with your misreading about people being able to afford coverage. There ought to be a verification of the ability to read before posting.
The Affordable Care Act is not the solution.
Universal single-payer is.
If the US could not do limited ACA and even fund its own regulations to make it work, by what alchemy do you think they will do every bit of health care better? They would do health care like they do the border.
When will Americans come to their senses and demand MEDICARE4ALL.
We must stop the rapacious abuse of insurance companies that are more concerned with shareholder profits than human healtn.
the government is destroying healthcare so they can step in. But they are so inept that they cant pull it off. And now we have a private healthcare industry, hamstrung bet still limping along. So You wake up.
Government mismanages everything they put their hands on, with the exception of running up trillions in Social Security funded debt, yet somehow they will magically get this right!!
Delusion at its finest.
#healthcareforall, what happens when the government shuts down ?
this country has many forms of health care for all, it’s all about who is paying for it and how much.
These are the types of management decisions that cause employees to go union.
Providence is a huge provider. They’ve taken over nearly the entire Pacific Northwest. Not for profit doesn’t seem to fit their path forward.
Easy solution for providence….fire all “management” above clinic manager level…..have plenty of money to pay for Healthcare.
until there’s a law suit and they have to put the janitor on the stand
It’s not BCBS… it’s the corporation that owns the hospital. Dignity (whose owned by Common Spirit Health) did the same thing last year in Arizona with Yavapai county and this year with the other counties. They are offered millions of dollars (last year it was $124M) from BCBS and walk away complaining and smearing BCBS but within 2-3 months they come back.
Blue Cross, a couple of years ago, refused to accept “extra help” that social security and Medicare offers to low income people, to assist in purchasing medications.
Medicare approve the extra help but Blue Cross refused that help, apparently the reimbursement was too low and they wanted to charge me market rates and thus improve their bottom line.
They did refuse, but as to their resaons why, I am speculating.
I dropped them as soon as I could.
This is like walking in on two people burglarizing your house and then they each try to convince you the other one is the bad guy.
We were already getting screwed over by each of them when they were working together. Blue Shield wouldn’t pay for basic lab work I had done at Providence last year. But Providence charged twice as much as any other local lab, I later learned. Either way, I’m on the hook for it. Neither of them care about our health care more than they care about lining their own pockets. I hope they both go down.
You’re right. Except for the total lack of alternatives if they do fail.
I read that the ever increasing level of claims being denied is a money saving tacit expedited by insurance companies using AI programs for reviewing claims which deny many of them and people not filing appeals when they get denied.
Health care has become a billing game between providers and insurance companies. The providers over bill in expectation that most of the request will be capped at low levels and the insurance companies to exactly that. Both are gambling on win the game or at least some of the scam being missed.
A terrible game to play when somebody is sick.
Horrible. And mostly unnecessary. It was government that made the rules that created the practice of billing wars then failed to do the reviews they wrote into the regulation to prevent it.
Frankly too many people see Healthcare in terms of either private or public responsibility as politics. They will not do the simple things that would make either system work better.
Worked for Providence and worked for Blue Shield. The two worst employers over a 30+ year working life. Had Blue Shield insurance twice. The worst health insurance I ever had. Providence and Blue Shield deserve each other.
Thank you!
Heads up in Humboldt.
Open Door Clinic just announced that it’s now in bed with Providence.
Open Door, originally, was intended to be an accessible clinic.
Being affiliated with Providence is going to ruin them.
In the past, Open Door doctors gave me clinical and lab referrals to Mad River. Recently, they sent me referrals, all to providence.
I intend to have them rewrite the referrals and send them to Mad River.
It’s not that Mad River is better. After their ownership change last year, I’m not sure of their status.
But they are less of a zoo than St. Joe’s. Fewer patients and shorter lines, and, most of all, they aren’t owned by the Vatican.
In this day and age, no hospitals should be owned by religion.
My doctor told me that St. Joe’s won’t even do a DNC for women, when medically needed, because it emulates an abortion.
We can’t have that kind of treatment in northern California.
Netflix just acquired the show “The Resident”. I think they are trying to catch up with new programs after delays from Covid…
In one of the first episodes, it shows a billing person telling doctors how to pad expenses and run unnecessary tests in order to charge the insurance companies more.
It incensed me.
But it is factual.
No wonder we have such a mess when it comes to healthcare in this country.
Commentors, below, are anti single payer. Maybe trying to preserve the capitalist paradigm.
But a single payer system and non profit hospitals would do a lot to reduce the incentive for hospitals to run up costs.
It’s a shame that the powers that be denounce and humiliate Bernie Sanders. He’s had the right ideas all along.
Nonsense. A bad system can equally have a single payer or a good one have multiple payer.
Looking under only favorite political rocks for the reason for failure is what guarantees failure will happen.
Providence seems to be the gift that keeps giving. What and or who will be eliminated next?
Redwood Hospital will be closed. This is down the road.
Women’s health is too much of a problem for Providence, and it will be handed over to contractors soon.
Providence ia an evil corporation, almost as evil as the Catholic Church, and both should be avoided at all costs…
Medicare4all will never exist, and Medicare itself is one of the worst parts of being an American…
Medicare is a cruel joke on senior citizens, but it’s likely too broken to ever be repaired…
I got no answers, after working in healthcare for 40+ years, but only foreign doctors and only “faith-based” corporations dispensing “healthcare” is a disgraceful disaster for all of us…
Medicare 4 All will never exist in this crooked country, so look for a for-profit provider or travel to UCSF or UC Davis Med Center and let the Chinese Students get some practice…
I’ve had very good care at providence…didn’t need much and they went above and beyond that the places is clean and staff friendly and thorough as any other place these days. As long as health care is profit driven and especially requiring constant “Growth” in stock market then we are low on the priority list. And stock market gains are when related to retirement and health care just robbing peter to pay Paul.
Providence is a non profit without offering stock to the public. So if you are right about profit being the cause of bad care, that would seem to imply BC is the villain in this piece. Though most commenters lose that in their hostility towards Providence.
Capitalism can provide good service in health care but not unchecked capitalism. On the other hand government can provide good care too but unfortunately takes on many other things and so rarely does. IMHO a mixed system has the best chance of success because both CAN provide a check on the liabilities of the other if they do so with good will. Unfortunately good will is in extremely short supply in thecUS at the moment.
Unfair to change the commitment you made to patients mid year. It’s not open season and I will have to move my care to Hoag.
No consideration for the patients who are in treatment ir have scheduled scans and treatments. Delays in care may lead to health consequences.
Please advise how you plan to help with transitioning patient care.