Humboldt County Cannabis Abatement Lawsuit Moves Forward in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals with a Reply Brief From the Institute of Justice

Image for cannabis abatementsThis week the Institute of Justice (IJ) responded to the County’s statement in the federal class action lawsuit against Humboldt County’s cannabis abatement program now that the suit is in the court of appeals. IJ represents those who claim they were victimized by the County Abatement program. The appeals process calls for three filings, the third of which was just filed. This most recent filing is the Reply to the County’s Response to IJ’s initial brief on the appeal.

The next step is either oral arguments, or the Court may simply reach a decision based on the written filings.  That decision will have a serious impact on abatement programs throughout California as many counties and cities use the same tactics against alleged unlicensed cannabis growers as Humboldt does, and have made quite a bit of money from these tactics which IJ’s suit says are unconstitutional.

The county’s responsive brief called the cannabis abatement program “routine enforcement of local land use laws,” and asked the Ninth Circuit to affirm the lower courts total dismissal of all claims in the complaint.

The Institute for Justice’s response reiterates their position that the cannabis abatement program is unconstitutional. 

The reply brief reads,

Humboldt County violated Plaintiffs’ constitutional rights by trapping them in a system designed to punish cannabis growth, even though none of them grew cannabis. Plaintiffs alleged that the County used satellite images to identify minor code violations on their properties and then imposed tens of thousands of dollars in daily fines by charging, without proof, that those violations related to cannabis. Plaintiffs’ fines accumulated for 90 days because the County makes it impossible to “abate” cannabis-related violations and does not provide hearings to contest the charges. All the while, Plaintiffs remain ineligible for land-use permits—both to correct existing violations and to develop their properties in other ways. Because the County won’t schedule hearings, a settlement agreement is the only way out of penalties assessed without probable cause.

Earlier, the County’s legal team countered the plaintiff’s complaint, writing in their responsive brief, “Plaintiffs assemble what amounts to a law school exam, raising a plethora of claims, each assailing routine enforcement of local land use laws as applied to commercial cannabis activities illegal under federal law. Their claims were properly rejected.”

However, this allegation was met with comparable fervor from the Institute for Justice attorneys, who wrote,

Plaintiffs are all victims of the County’s blanket enforcement practices. Like many people in Humboldt, they own properties that were developed over the years without permits. Some developed the land themselves; others bought land from someone who did. No Plaintiff, however, violated the code to grow cannabis. The baseless allegation that they did has upturned Plaintiffs’ lives. Each accrued over a million dollars in fines, with no way out except to pay the County for their freedom. Even now, after Plaintiffs have spent years under the weight of crippling fines, unable to develop their land, the County still insists that they have no right to challenge the County’s enforcement practices.

The Institute for Justice says the Plaintiffs claims are timely, the county just lacks accountability, and continues, “According to the County, a court cannot consider whether its abatement program is unconstitutional until Plaintiffs escape the trap the County set… In the County’s view, the time is never right for accountability.”

Screenshot of the county’s responsive declaration, featuring plaintiff Rhonda Olson’s properties prior to her purchase. All greenhouses were removed immediately and no cannabis was being grown, she later received a notice in her name with over 7 million in fines 

Screenshot of the county’s responsive declaration, featuring plaintiff Rhonda Olson’s properties prior to her purchase. All greenhouses were removed immediately and no cannabis was being grown, she later received a notice in her name with over 7 million in fines

The firm also wrote about how despite no one growing, cannabis was used when convenient to skirt property owners rights. 

The Institute for Justice wrote,

Unable [to] defend the constitutionality of its cannabis-abatement orders, the County obfuscates. It defends a different system than the one it’s enforced against hundreds of innocent residents. For large parts of its response, the County pretends this is just a typical abatement case over land-use violations that have nothing to do with cannabis. But when pressed for its interest in imposing multimillion-dollar fines without probable cause, the County pivots to the dangers of cannabis.

Magistrate judges like Robert Iilman, differ from other judges who are confirmed by congress for life, they are instead chosen by merit and given an eight year term in office without the scrutiny of a Congressional Hearing 

The Institute for Justice said they found the magistrate Judge misapplied the law, relied too heavily on the county’s claims and mistakenly, the plaintiffs’ case, showing a bias in favor of the county,

The reply brief reads, 

The judge cast aside impartiality to rule in the County’s favor on every argument, even some—like immunity and improperly sued officials—that hardly made any sense. Anything but “detailed” …the judge’s dismissive and conclusory approach left Plaintiffs with no idea which allegations were implausible… The court disregarded the standard of review and found facts in the County’s favor, without any specific citations, and made perfectly clear that he did not believe Plaintiffs, even though the law required him to do so…

The trial court fell for the County’s bait and switch…the trial court decided that it didn’t even need oral argument to be certain that Plaintiffs’ allegations were all completely implausible. Had the court properly credited the complaint, it should have been easy to conclude that Plaintiffs’ well-pleaded allegations state five justiciable claims. Plaintiffs ask this Court to reverse and remand the case to a judge who has not predetermined Plaintiffs’ case.

Those claims (including procedural), are:

1. Plaintiffs’ Claims Are Justiciable

    1. Plaintiffs’ Facial Claims Are Timely
    2. Plaintiffs’ As-Applied Claims Are Timely
    3. Plaintiffs’ Claims Are Ripe 
      1. Plaintiffs’ Claims Relating to Their Ineligibility for Permits Are Ripe 
      2. Plaintiffs’ Eighth Amendment Claim is Ripe
  1. The County’s Cannabis-Related NOVs Are Unconstitutional
    1. The Trial Court Disregarded Well-Pleaded Facts
    2. Plaintiffs Stated Five Claims for Relief
      1. Procedural Due Process 
      2. Substantive Due Process
      3. Unconstitutional Conditions 
      4. Excessive Fines 
      5. Jury Right 
  2. Reassignment Would Prevent Injustice

The county’s representatives argue in their responsive brief the magistrate judges decision was “thoughtful” and the plaintiffs are “judge shopping,” writing,

Challengers make no showing Magistrate Judge Illman could not adjudicate fairly upon remand, nor that a new judge is needed to preserve the appearance of justice…Magistrate Judge Illman rendered a detailed and thoughtful decision on the evidence before him; surely he can do the same if this Court orders renewed trial on different evidence or under a different standard. This is not the rare circumstance in which a trial judge’s conduct displays clear inability to be fair. Challengers show no actual bias or prejudice, only a cogent opinion compellingly stated. Indeed, Challengers expressly consented to this adjudicator for all purposes likely to appear before the one federal jurist on California’s North Coast, avoiding a four-and-half-hour drive to San Francisco…. That they are unhappy with the result, and desire a new judge now, is not sufficient such judge-shopping is prohibited.

In response the Institute for Justice wrote, “The County’s glowing endorsement of the magistrate judge isn’t surprising.”

The Institute for Justice added,

When Plaintiffs filed their complaint, they had no reason to expect the magistrate judge would be partial to the County. Their initial consent to his jurisdiction does not diminish this Court’s authority to reassign the case to “preserve the appearance of justice.” …. The magistrate has already prejudged Plaintiffs and their claims. If this Court were to remand the case to the same judge, and he once again decides every issue for the County, it would not look like justice. A new judge is necessary.

Whatever is decided in the Ninth Circuit, one thing is for certain, millions are on the line in Humboldt County alone, with impacts to property owners that stretch across the northwestern Ninth Circuit.

We will find out if and when the case is set for oral argument around the end of February, with arguments possibly scheduled around the first week of May. 

Stay tuned to RHBB for more on this story.

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Mr. Clark
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2 years ago

Like Ronald Reagan said ”government IS the problem”.

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

The plaintiff and the Institute of Justice will win. However, it will be moot, because it will be tied up in lawyer games so long that the plaintiff will be ruined. Kind of like the Tooby Ranch Jamison Act Lawsuit.

It will be sad when people win the lawsuit, but lose their property in legal delays

Guess
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Guess
2 years ago

Williamson act, merry Christmas Ernie!

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
2 years ago
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Opps… i knew that. I should wake up before I start typing.
Thanks, Merry Christmas to you also. I hope the new year is better for everyone!

moviedad
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moviedad
2 years ago

“Jamison?
Dude! It’s the other label.
Ha!

Ed Voice
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Ed Voice
2 years ago

Ernie, how was this case and appeal in federal court anything like the Humboldt County v. McKee Williamson Act case?

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
2 years ago
Reply to  Ed Voice

Jeeze Ed, I thought that it was clear… It’s going to cost a ton of Lawyer money, Humboldt County is going to loose, lives are going to be ruined, and progress will stop until it is all settled. Same as Mckee/ Williamson. Progress stopped, Lives were ruined and it cost Humboldt county a fortune.

Nichole Norris
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Nichole Norris
2 years ago

The IJ attorneys are funded by many generous donors across the country who support their work, the plaintiffs and class pay nothing.

“Humboldt county is going to loose?” Are you referring to the county officials and coffers or all residents when you say “Humboldt county?”

Lives have been ruined already Ernie, no? Progress stopped? What’s your definition of progress? The only thing that’s stopped is the blanket, satellite derived cannabis abatement notices.

I assure you the county won’t pay a penny, the taxpayers yes, but it’s a drop in the bucket compared to the amount taken from mostly rural landowners that resides in the general fund already as a result. It’s worth noting the fact that the program has stalled since October 2022, has saved county landowners millions already, and hundreds of outbuildings too.

Ernie Branscombt
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Ernie Branscombt
2 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

Thank you Nichole,
I should have just said “it’s a shit storm”. It has to be dissuading to anyone thinking of buying property in Humboldt County. Most all rural property has been used to grow marijuana. Who would want to get involved in all of what is happening?

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago

“It has to be dissuading to anyone thinking of buying property in Humboldt County.”

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That suits the Humboldt County Government just fine, Ernie, because NO ONE will buy property even for greatly reduced price from the last time it sold for an overinflated price.

If properties WERE to sell, they WOULD sell at a MUCH, MICH, lower price than they sold before this abatement shit show storm, resulting in considerably lower tax revenue, tax revenue that pays their salaries. The County, you see, has figured out a way to keep taxing the properties at their current ridiculous overinflated assessments, indefinitely, by effectively preventing them from ever selling again, at any price.

And that, you see, perfectly explains what they did to the Thomas’s in Salmon Creek…

It’s not that the Thomas’s deserved it, it’s that the County of Humboldt needed to make an example out of them, firmly and forever establishing the reason why you don’t buy a property in Southern Humboldt at a reduced price, nor at any price.

Their diabolical plan seems to be working accordingly.

You can be sure that if any of the County Government of Humboldt’s many cronies decide to purchase a distressed piece of So. Hum. property, for a song, of course, there will be no such harsh County repercussions, financial consequences, nor demands to demolish any structures or dwellings.

The hippies, being relatively good stewards of the land, didn’t log their land for a generation or two, and so there is a lot of land with nice mature trees out there up for grabs…

… for people that have every intention of clear-cutting it and bulldozing it to the ground, and then defaulting on the payments, (cut and run), like they did before the back to the landers showed up and bought up such clearcut and bulldozed properties.

We have come full circle, Ernie, in about 50 years.

fndrbndr
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Your statement rings true. It coincides with the latest phase of attacks. They are now re-assessing every TPZ parcel. Assessors office is watching the MLS and using it as a list to investigate and apply new values. Our property went through this. A new bill was generated without a visit to the property, also assumptions were made as to when the improvements happened and back taxes applied. All in all we owed 2,000 in arrears and our new assessed value was 10x of what it originally was. The property doesn’t have a house. 3 AG exempt sheds and a horse corral.

Nichole Norris
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Nichole Norris
2 years ago
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I am really interested in hearing more about this. Please email me at [email protected]

Nichole Norris
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Nichole Norris
2 years ago

Agreed Ernie! And it sure is a sh$& show, but I think the suit is an improvement for property owners even those who are not abated. As you mention the land values have plummeted and I think it’s not a coincidence it’s all happening around cannabis legalization.

It’s such a terrible sellers market, and it may seem cheap for buyers but the headaches and costs to “remediate” oftentimes makes the land close to worthless. For example I’m working with a transplant from out East who thought he got a killer deal on land he bought to grow food and medicines permaculturally to sell at our farmers markets. A great deal yeah, that is until the county emailed him about the previous owners cannabis permit he chose not to continue, and his requirements to remediate and permit everything for growing vegetables. It’ll likely double the cost of the land when it’s all said and done, and back to “pre cannabis condition.” It seems illogical.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

It seems logical if the County is trying to dissuade people from buying property at a lower price than what was previously paid for it, in order to maintain outrageously over-inflated assessment values, in order to maintain the current amount of overinflated taxes collected.

This way the County Government does not have to feel the financial pain that everyone else is experiencing.

The land values have plummeted, yet the assessed values, and therefore the taxes, remain unchanged, unadjusted from their overinflated, unrealistic amounts, to the reduced amount that they currently should be.

Heaven knows that as property values increased, the County was swift to increase assessments. Now that property values have plummeted, they refuse to lower the assessments.

Another reason that the County would be trying their hardest, and doing their worst, to dissuade properties from being sold at significantly reduced amounts, is that those reduced prices would represent “Comps” that neighbors could use to prove that property values have plummeted, in order to justify a request to the Assessor’s Office, for a reduction in assessed value and a commensurate reduction in property taxes.

Ed Voice
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2 years ago

I think if you review the McKee case again and if the people that purchased 160 acre parcels of the 13,000 acre Tooby Ranch McKee subdivision, if the new property owners had used licensed real estate agents and licensed escrow/title companies, they would have found out the subdivision of 160 acre parcels, instead of 600 acre parcels protected under the Williamson Act would have come up in the title search with Humboldt County Recorders and Assessors Office. The same if these people in this law suit would have done the same, they would have seen in a title search what the history of the property was with the County, Code Enforcement and Assessors Office. If “Lives were ruined”, they were ruined all by themselves for not doing their own due diligence…

https://www.northcoastjournal.com/news/subdividing-humboldt-2305675

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Nichole Norris
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Nichole Norris
2 years ago
Reply to  Ed Voice

All titles were clean at transfer. I thought we went over this with my last few articles pertaining to the IJ suit Ed.

Ed Voice
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Ed Voice
2 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

That makes no sense. Who did the title search, the buyer, the seller or an escrow title company? Did the buyer use a licensed real estate agent? If the new owner had a clean title, why did the County come after them for what the previous owner did or did not do on their property?

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Ed Voice

Welcome to the crux of the issue Ed

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
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…”why did the County come after them for what the previous owner did or did not do on their property?”…

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Ed, the obvious answer to your question just requires a little bit of critical thinking skills…

…”…Why…”…, You ask…

It’s all about the money, of course, Ed.

Of course the County of Humboldt does not want their current exorbitantly over inflated pre cannabis collapse tax base assessment values to quickly come crashing down to rock bottom, as soon as properties start selling for what they are now worth… …(much, much, less than before),

As soon as they saw it coming, (the writing was on the wall), being planners, they quickly figured out what they must do…

And so they did figure it out.

The County of Humboldt would simply ABSOLUTELY HAMMER a sacrificial lamb, the Thomas’s, by ABATING THEIR NEWLY PURCHASED PROPERTY AFTER THE FACT, and fining them exorbitantly, and then DEMANDING THAT THE THOMAS’S DEMOLISH EVERY STRUCTURE AND/OR PAY ENORMOUSLY OUT OF PROPORTION FINES with the all but guaranteed widespread publicity that would surely come with the County action…

There is method to their madness.

And voila, in one fell swoop, The County planners would effectively stabilize, for the foreseeable future, the current, vastly overinflated assessed tax base, which they so enjoy, because, now, after what they did to the Thomas’s, nobody in their right mind would ever even consider purchasing property in Southern Humboldt, or even on any part of Humboldt, for that matter, not for a lower price, not for any price, not even for a song…

By using the Abatement Program threat in more ways than one, (none legitimately), the County Planners figured out a way to constantly fuck their constituency in multiple directions at once, and how to greedily squeeze every last cent out of them, while gilding their own pockets.

I’m having a difficult time not wishing the same on them, in spades, in return.

They have maliciously prevented even legitimate, well to do, out of County folks from choosing beautiful Humboldt as a retirement destination.

The planners and responsible supervisors should all be unceremoniously drummed out of the corps.

They have ruined us all.

Ed Voice
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Ed Voice
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

i guess i should have stayed at a holiday inn express…

fndrbndr
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2 years ago
Reply to  Ed Voice

A title search doesn’t reveal an abatement. Planning isn’t mandated to report to escrow. Just the same as a shaded APN. Planning isn’t mandated to report to the AO or vice versa.

fndrbndr
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2 years ago
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The only way is to stop by every office and request every document for the history of the property. Recorders office, Planning Department, Assessors Office,… Etc. You could find a discrepancy between any of the departments. It’s virtually impossible for the buyer, but it sure seems easy for the officials to find out and apply fees and fines when they want to.

Nichole Norris
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Nichole Norris
2 years ago
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I’ve done this before for a buyer, the amount of paperwork we received was so immense, it is beyond reasonable to expect your average buyer to comprehend it all. Having a lawyer is a requirement frankly for buying property in rural Humboldt today.

Nichole Norris
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Nichole Norris
2 years ago
Reply to  fndrbndr

That may be true, but I know code enforcement got supervisors approval sometime in 2019 I believe during the CEU annual report to post the notices to the titles. Karen meynell and Ford had an exchange during that annual report and clarified most of the abatements were reported to title at that time. I posted a screenshot of the meeting in a previous article, I’d guess “buildings for rich people” or the one after perhaps.

Ed Voice
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Ed Voice
2 years ago
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That is not exactly true, anyone can look up a APN to find out what is being proposed thru the Planning Department, Building Department, Code Enforcement, Division of Environment Health.

If you know the APN, enter it here for Humboldt County on Accela:

https://humboldtgov.org/3159/Permitting

Chef Jeff
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Chef Jeff
2 years ago
Reply to  Ed Voice

The abatement orders were not filed until after the property sales closed. Totally fucked.

Nichole Norris
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Nichole Norris
2 years ago
Reply to  Ed Voice

Ed Voice

1. The county wasn’t reporting abatements on titles effectively until sometime around 2022. They even changed the law to enable posting the abatements at the ceu annual report I believe in 2019, long after the height of abatement notices.

2. The titles were clear of any abatements or code enforcement issues for the Thomases, rhonda, and Cyro because there was no abatement until the property changed hands. In every one of these cases they received an abatement weeks, even as little as days after the sale.

3. In the Thomases case the shed was actually used as a featured photo in the real estate company’s magazine ad.

4. so beyond being psychic there is Noway to do ones “due diligence” beyond what, say corrine Thomas did who worked in real estate mind you.

ED Denson
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ED Denson
2 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

He’s talking about McKee/Williamson,not IJ’s Thomas et al v County of Humbolt et al

ED Denson
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ED Denson
2 years ago
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Oops, he’s talking about both. And you’re right, both the Thomases and Rhonda bought clean titles, and then the county moved against the prior owners and the Plaintiffs got stuck with the violations.

Nichole Norris
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Nichole Norris
2 years ago
Reply to  ED Denson

Oh forgive me, you already answered, I’m just catching up on comments. Thanks ED 🙂

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Ed Voice

Ed, 160 acre parcels, (Patent Parcels), were allowed at the time of sale of the Tooby Ranch, is my understanding.

It’s also my understanding that the County pulled a malicious dirty trick and hastily attempted to change the acceptable minimum parcel size from 160 acres to 600 acres, as McKee was purchasing the land, and tried to, (illegally, and/or prejuditiously, in my opinion), apply that contract change, to McKees purchase, and/or subsequent sales.

But you see, the Williamson act involves a 9 year contract, which automatically renews, unless it is terminated by the Contract holder.

Which means that the County could not just arbitrarily change the 9 year contractual agreements, without both sides agreeing to it, without waiting the 9 years before their one-sided parcel size change could legally take effect.

The escrow/title companies, and real estate agents, as you say, would not have been obliged in any way to notify any buyers or sellers of a condition that was not yet legally in effect.

You might want to look into that…

Or well, maybe just let it go.

No use crying over spilt milk.

The county lost, Ed.

That speaks volumes as to the legality of what they did…

The County has ALWAYS LOST, Ed.

Gives you an idea of the legality of everything they’ve done, Ed.?‍♂️

Ed Voice
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Ed Voice
2 years ago
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Your understanding are alternative facts…

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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Ed Voice

See case Text below…

I was going by memory, and it has been many years…

Yes I hadn’t remembered it correctly.

The facts are below…

What you said…

“I think if you review the McKee case again and if the people that purchased 160 acre parcels of the 13,000 acre Tooby Ranch McKee subdivision, if the new property owners had used licensed real estate agents and licensed escrow/title companies, they would have found out the subdivision of 160 acre parcels, instead of 600 acre parcels protected under the Williamson Act would have come up in the title search with Humboldt County Recorders and Assessors Office.”…

…..is in no way factual…

(It’s bullshit, Ed.)

Ed Voice
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Ed Voice
2 years ago
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In 2008, a state appellate court ruled that McKee had indeed sold undersized parcels. Though he abided by the 160-acre minimum governing transfers at the time of Tooby’s original Williamson Act contract in 1977, the county had later raised the minimum to 600 acres. If a county changes how it administers the program, the court ruled, a Williamson Act contract holder can accept the changes or get out of the program. McKee never asked for a non-renewal.

But the appellate court decision didn’t end the case. After a brief attempt at settlement, it was handed back to the Humboldt County court to decide if and how McKee’s violations would be resolved.

You did not read what I already posted, its what separates the bullshit and alternative facts from reality.

The horse is dead, get off…

https://www.northcoastjournal.com/news/subdividing-humboldt-2305675

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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Ed Voice

Ed, the courts ruled that the 1978 increased parcel size of 600 acres did not apply to the 1977 Tooby contract size of 160 acres…

My recollection was a little fuzzy but the jist was correct.

https://casetext.com/case/county-of-humboldt-v-mckee

“On November 2, 2005, the court issued a ruling on these two legal issues. First, the court ruled that County’s 1978 Guidelines could not be applied to the 1977 Tooby Contract. The court reasoned that application of the 1978 Guidelines, which amended the minimum parcel size for Class B preserves from 160 to 600 acres, would violate the contract clauses of the state and federal Constitutions. The court concluded that application of the 600-acre parcel minimum would substantially impair the Tooby Contract, and found that County had failed to show that this impairment was reasonable and necessary to an important public purpose.”

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Country Joe
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2 years ago
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Ronald Reagan “Most Terrifying Words – ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’”

moviedad
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moviedad
2 years ago
Reply to  Country Joe

Ronald was the Ayatollah’s boy.

Actually
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Actually
2 years ago
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I know this is like your folks favorite quote and all but please don’t stare too long into the abyss. Reagan, a government official, is largely responsible for the homeless crisis in our state.

That quote drives me nuts! He was the government and was certainly trying to help “somebody” but uhhh… cognitive dissonance???

FogDog
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2 years ago
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2 years ago

Not to burst you bubble, but fewer than one appeal out of 10 ends in favor of the appealing party, the odds are not in your favor. Also considering how fast the case was dismissed in the original filing, I do not see this going anywhere.

Mariahgirl
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Mariahgirl
2 years ago

We put in a shop and when it came time to get the pge put in we were told that the power supply was not on our property because google earth showed it on the neighbors property and my husband was standing next to it on our property when he was talking to them so their imagery sucks. Real estate agents and title companies are not going to take the blame for anything and it’s actually on the paperwork that you get from them so if you think something needs to be checked out you need to do it yourself. This county and especially building and planning really suck, especially John Ford! I have a friend that is a contractor in another county and he could not believe how long it takes or costs for permits in Humboldt County.

Ed Voice
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Ed Voice
2 years ago
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Question; when the Plaintiff/Property owners in this case purchased their property, was it purchased through a licensed real estate agent and escrow company?

Vermin Supreme
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Vermin Supreme
2 years ago

The thing that blows my mind about this whole situation is that the county and its lawyers are supposed to be PUBLIC SERVANTS. How can they in good conscience fine someone millions of dollars? An average citizen. Not a corporation. How can that even sound ok in their heads?

They don’t even level fines that severe for CRIMINAL cases. But over a land issue? Boom. Millions of dollars. It’s seriously demented. These people are supposed to work for us, and look at what we let them do! I am continually amazed at how backwards and broken our government (fed, state, and local) is…

well . . .
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well . . .
2 years ago

Hopefully we can replace Ford.

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago
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No. The Board of Supervisors think he’s so wonderful they begged him to come back and gave him a big raise. The problem and the disregard for their own citizens is deep…very deep….

Country Joe
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2 years ago
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I was simply amazed when the Stupidvisors brought Ford back…

Ed Voice
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Ed Voice
2 years ago
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They “bought” Ford back!

fndrbndr
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2 years ago
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He probably quit and threatened to reveal the whole sham. Ultimately coerced with hush money and rehired.

Erica
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2 years ago

How many illegal dope growers just manned up and went and got real taxpayers jobs? Not many. It seems like most of em wanted another get rich quick scheme. They’d do anything to avoid getting a real job. I saw them renting out ramshackle sheds on their property as quaint air bnbs , hawking skin care products on Facebook, even touting themselves as cannabis event organizers. Some tried to put off a job by heading back to school with no plan to work after. Now these people are crying that life ain’t fair after they’ve been doing illegal things for decades , not to mention making a fortune and leading extravagant lifestyles while getting welfare.

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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
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It helps to read the article, none of he people involved in this lawsuit were growing weed

Trout Fisher
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Trout Fisher
2 years ago
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Not only did none of those people grow pot, you’re also criticizing people for being entrepreneurs. Entrepreneurism is a real job. It means working for yourself, which is how America was built. People make money and get pink Cadillacs for hawking skincare products. Going back to school is smart, and a way to expand life opportunities in the future. All sorts of white collar workers rent out summer homes as air bnb. Nobody on welfare lives an extravagant lifestyle. You are out of touch with reality.

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2 years ago
Reply to  Erica

How many illegal dope growers do you actually know? I’ve been growing for over 40 years. held many tax paying jobs, paid taxes on my illegal income through businesses(so I could actually use the money),and have only met a few hundred of the thousands of the illegal dope growers. Therefore I can’t really have an opinion on “what they do”. The example of starting small home-based businesses sounds like a great use of time and resource.

I am a robot
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I am a robot
2 years ago

The county currently is attempting to impose fines of $90,000 on a property that cost $6000 in 1975, has a small log cabin & no other improvements, which the owner has not visited in over 22 years, for legacy grading from the 1960s. Go figure. Lawyer fees have so far exceeded the purchase price of the property

Behind the scenes:
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Behind the scenes:
2 years ago
Reply to  I am a robot

You people. You think you can LIVE on a rural property?! You all think you have a right to ownership simply because you purchased it and paid taxes? Well too bad somebody grew devil weed. Take responsibility. Be a team player and give us the property.
But actually, could you keep paying the taxes, and make it a wilderness again before you leave? Don’t sass me. FINED!
Namaste

Frustrated
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Frustrated
2 years ago
Reply to  I am a robot

I am in a somewhat similar situation with the county. Any idea who the lawyers are for these folks?

Nichole Norris
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Nichole Norris
2 years ago
Reply to  Frustrated

You may be apart of the class if you signed the compliance agreement in time. If you would like to contact the institute for Justice feel free to let me know at [email protected].

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

Serious question, Nichole Norris,

…”if you signed the compliance agreement in time”…, … “You may be, “apart”, of the class, or, ” you may be, “a part”, of the class”…

…???…

In other words, would you be included, (“a part”), or excluded, (apart), of this class action suit if you did sign a compliance agreement…???

…???…

It was my understanding that if you did sign a compliance agreement, that you were not included,(apart, separated) in this class action suit, and that if you had signed the compliance agreement, it disqualified a person from this class action suit…

But, I could easily have misunderstood that…

Thank you for your continued coverage of this matter…

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Nichole Norris
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Nichole Norris
2 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

My goodness correction sorry, I was out and about having holiday fun with my son, I meant sign the attachment c. If you signed the compliance agreement you are screwed and that’s why I fought KMUD so hard to air that report and others. Thanks guest

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

Nichole Norris,

I truly was not trying to correct you, please forgive me if I gave you that impression.

I was just hoping for some clarification, which you graciously provided.

I sincerely thank you.

I guess I was just holding out hope that those who signed the compliance agreement, in good faith, didn’t get screwed after all, from trusting the County of Humboldt.

I truly appreciate what you are doing for everyone, all of your expertise, and especially for the patience that you have shown me.

Nichole Norris
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Nichole Norris
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Sadly they seem to be as far as I can tell. Particularly those who paid $30k plus on top, which was customary in the beginning phases.

No apologies necessary. I am so grateful you caught that slip up, huge mistake, I’d hate for someone to read and get false hope. To be apart of the class you have to have signed the attachment c / filed for an appeal hearing within 10 days. I so hope there is recourse for others in a separate action thereafter. So many were misled.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

Some did not initially even receive an attachment “c”, is what I’ve heard…

Kinda hard to sign an attachment “c”, if you didn’t even get one with your “notice to abate”…

Kinda hard to be a part of the class if you didn’t even ever receive an attachment “c”, to sign or not sign, in the first place, right…???

Nichole Norris
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Nichole Norris
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

I’d definitely like to speak with anyone that applies to because that would probably be off interest to IJ. I worked on over 100 of these cases and while the wording changed slightly because of ED and the offices responses I’d wager, all the cases I worked on had notices of violation and abatements, that were accompanied with an attachment c. It was buried and not super clear I will say. But please let me know if you know someone who didn’t get one. Thanks. [email protected]

Ed Voice
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Ed Voice
2 years ago

Was there any reason why the following was not discussed or covered on RHBB? “Judge Denies Effort to Keep Measure A, the ‘Humboldt Cannabis Reform Initiative,’ Off the March Ballot”

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2023/dec/15/judge-denies-effort-keep-measure-humboldt-cannabis/

Or “Proponents and Opponents of Measure A, the Humboldt Cannabis Reform Initiative, Square Off at a Public Forum in Arcata”

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2023/nov/14/measure-forum/

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Nichole Norris
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Nichole Norris
2 years ago
Reply to  Ed Voice

Great question. Wires were crossed somewhere, I thought someone else was covering it, let me check in with them and others, thanks.

Kicking Bull
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Kicking Bull
2 years ago

You won’t make many friends, but the question “Where did all the money go?” is still wide open, and I don’t see any other investigative journalists working this county. Via con Dios.