March in Eureka Yesterday as California Scientists Strike Statewide, Demand Equal Pay

Scientists for multiple California agencies went on strike this week and about 50 marched through Eureka yesterday. [Video by Mark McKenna]

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Hundreds of scientists working for the state of California to protect water supplies, respond to oil spills, study wildlife and track foodborne outbreaks marched in Sacramento [on November 15] in what’s being called the first-ever strike by state civil servants.

[Wednesday] was the first day of a three-day “Defiance for Science” rolling strike by more than 4,000 rank-and-file state scientists, who are seeking to close pay gaps with their counterparts in local, federal and other parts of state government.

About 50 Scientists gathered for a strike in Eureka yesterday.

About 50 Scientists gathered for a strike in Eureka yesterday. [Photo by Mark McKenna]

“This is something that needed to happen. And it’s unfortunate that the state put us in this position,” recently-elected union president Jacqueline Tcak, 29, a state scientist who works on water quality in the Central Coast, said over the din of chants and rattles. “We want equal pay for equal work.”

Many of the workers picketing at the headquarters of the California Environmental Protection Agency carried signs reminding Californians what they do behind-the-scenes: “I am a scientist and I give you safe food,” read one. “No science? No salmon!” Others called for the Newsom administration to “Smash the sexist gender pay gap!”

The strike comes after more than three years of negotiations between the California Department of Human Resources and the California Association of Professional Scientists union, which represents about 5,600 hundred state scientists, including about 4,600 that are subject to collective bargaining, according to union spokesperson Jon Ortiz. Their contract expired in 2020.

Eric LeBlanc, an environmental scientist working for the Department of Cannabis Compliance checks a friends phone on the strike line.

Eric LeBlanc, an environmental scientist working for the Department of Cannabis Compliance checks a friend’s phone on the strike line in Eureka yesterday. [Photo by Mark McKenna]

Last week, the California Department of Human Resources filed an Unfair Practice Charge with the Public Employment Relations Board, seeking to quash the strike, according to a document shared with CalMatters.

“These antics smack of an illegal pressure tactic,” the human resources department said in the charge, calling the strike unlawful “because the evidence shows it is actually an economic strike for the sole purpose of placing undue pressure on the state at the bargaining table.”

The governor’s office routed CalMatters’ questions to the human resources department. Camille Travis, the department’s deputy director of communications, said the state will continue to bargain in good faith and work with the union to reach a fair agreement.

She said the state “has taken steps to ensure that service to the public continues with as little disruption as possible” during the strike.

“The state views the strike activity with disappointment,” Travis said. “(The union) sought mediation and then called for a three-day rolling strike before mediation concluded.”

Workers carry signs during the scientists’ union strike in Sacramento. [Photo by Fred Greaves for CalMatters]

In 2020, members of Gov. Gavin Newsom’s cabinet warned the human resources agency that scientists in their agencies were dramatically underpaid. Environmental scientists, in particular, earned less than the market average that year, though other positions earned more.

One of the union’s major concerns is that scientists make considerably less than engineers, even though they both require specialized expertise and education and at times do similar work.

Full-time, rank-and-file state scientists on average earned about $83,586 in 2020, 27% less than state engineers, who earned an average of $114,012, according to a state assessment published last year. About half of state scientists are women, while more than three-quarters of state engineers are men. (No other gender options were included in the state’s data.)

Chris Means, right, is a scientist for the San Diego Regional Water Quality Board and telecommutes from Eureka.

Chris Means, right, is a scientist for the San Diego Regional Water Quality Board and telecommutes from Eureka. [Photo by Mark McKenna]

At the strike, scientists working for state water agencies, the public health department, pesticide regulators and more described the economic pressures they face in their daily lives.

Union president Tcak teared up when she recounted having to ask her boyfriend for help to buy a plane ticket to visit her father with cancer.

“I’m 29 years old, I thought that I would be past that. And it’s embarrassing,” she said

Christina Burdi, who assesses how water use in California affects vulnerable species and ecosystems, works as a dog walker on the side so she can afford to live in Sacramento.

Molly Shea, center, a scientist with the California Department of Fish and Game, joined the picket line in Sacramento on Wednesday. [Photo by Fred Greaves for CalMatters]

One state scientist who asked that her name not be used because she was concerned about retaliation said with her current pay, she can’t afford childcare for her kids as she juggles parenting and work for the state’s pesticide regulators, despite her PhD. She also said the lack of a fully-paid family leave program meant she was back at work part-time on a Monday, after giving birth on a Friday.

Kaylynn Newhart, an environmental scientist who has worked for the state for more than 30 years and hopes to retire soon, said she lives paycheck-to-paycheck and doubts she’ll be able to stay in California after she retires.

“It’s definitely made it impossible to have that ‘American dream’,” said Newhart, who monitors water for pesticide contamination.

Mike Prall holds a sign taped to a fishing pole outside the California Department of Fish and Wildlife office in Eureka on Friday. Prall has been an Environment Scientist with CDFW for the past 24 years.

Mike Prall holds a sign taped to a fishing pole outside the California Department of Fish and Wildlife office in Eureka on Friday. Prall has been an Environment Scientist with CDFW for the past 24 years. [Photo by Mark McKenna]

Many were concerned about going three days without pay during the strike because they cannot use vacation time or sick leave, according to Ortiz.

“We worry about what we’re gonna buy for groceries,” said Brandon Adcock, who investigates foodborne illness outbreaks and contamination at a state agency.

Some carried babies on shoulders or pushed them sleeping through the din in strollers as marching workers chanted: “Lead with science, it’s not too late!”

Elizabeth Pope talks with Dan Resnik on the strike line.

Elizabeth Pope talks with Dan Resnik on the strike line in Eureka yesterday. [Photo by Mark McKenna]

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Mr. Clark
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2 years ago

Yes please strike. Stay on strike forever. We don’t need this huge government oversight.

Tim
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Tim
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

This mentality puzzles me because it defies rationality. These are the folks that ensure your food is safe, your air and water is clean, and that we continue to have fish and wildlife. What do you imagine will happen if none of those things are overseen or regulated? Because history says we’ll be fucked. It’s why the regulations were established in the first place.

Bud
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Bud
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

No. These folks are paid to do the things you say, that does not mean they actually accomplish anything. The department of education is payed to educate children, but by any measurement, they are not accomplishing their job. The idea that we HAVE to have huge expensive politicised and corrupt government agencies or society will collapse is exactly wrong. It is these entities that will lead to the downfall of society…

suspence
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suspence
2 years ago
Reply to  Bud

I don’t think you know any teachers or have any young children in public school. Your assertion about education is way off based on my experience being married to a 3rd grade school teacher and having a 5-yr old in public school.

tru matters
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tru matters
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Ayn Rand and Rand Paul go into a bar. They order drinks and later die of poisoning.

No regulation.

Outside Looking In
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Outside Looking In
2 years ago
Reply to  tru matters

And that bar goes out of business, because bars rely on repeat business to survive. That’s why bars don’t ever do that, regulations or not.

well . . .
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well . . .
2 years ago

Yeah that’s why food and medicine were so safe before regulation.

The Unpopular Opinion
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The Unpopular Opinion
2 years ago

China has lots of regulations… And it’s corrupt enough you can pay off the inspectors…
Video from al Jazeera, not a MAGA source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oQbCOz9nlU

Timb0
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2 years ago

Happens in the island countries near Cuba.

Actually
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Actually
2 years ago
Reply to  tru matters

Lol. Libertarianism is a mental disorder crack me up!

Mr. Clark
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2 years ago
Reply to  tru matters

Mom and pop growers go out of business because of over taxation and regulation.

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
2 years ago
Reply to  tru matters

Why does that statement sound like a wish? Hmmm. And )@n 6th was an insurrection, righhhhttttttt……Cmon mannnnnnnn. Ban whales they say, especially humpback families where the male helps with the birth. Those big old humpbacks are so yesterday…….we are the humans who everyone wished 4, my god, high much, too much psilocybin? …..no, more like the whales r sentinient beings who have no desire to hang out with most of us because they know……what happens when selfish humans gain control. But thanks, and Save the Whales and birds along the one of the greatest flyways in the world, the Pacific Flyway.

Expanding Insignificance
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Expanding Insignificance
2 years ago
Reply to  tru matters

And the regulators pretend they didn’t do the poisoning.
For communists, the ends justify the means.

Mr. Clark
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2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

It was. But modern progressive government has turned these agencies into a pus filled infection.

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

How many of these scientists are for the giant bird choppers and whale killers off our coast? I would estimate 95%, so no, they are not Scientists because they forgot their oath to science, determining facts through intensive studies and real statistics while reaching independent conclusions not influenced by political science. When the government closes on holidays and weekends, do you find they are missed? No. To the contrary, the public wishes these bureaucrats just quit and failed to show up for the rest of the decade. They can quit on Monday or be fired, who cares. Save America and the whales, fire all non essential government slugs with no unemployment fall back to lay around at home for another three years post Covid.

suspence
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suspence
2 years ago
Reply to  Al L Ivesmatr

So we should just keep burning fossil fuels? Sadly, we don’t have the tech to create energy out of thin air and we are reliant on it, so…
Also, our economy is suffering from the collapse of cannabis and some sort of economic drive would benefit us all.

Iliketables
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Iliketables
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

That’s is unequivocally false. Plus I haven’t forgotten the lockdowns and contaminated jabs pushed by these “science” people, this is one group we would be better off without. My food is safe because I wash it, the air quality is directly related to population density, and as far as the water goes, pick up your trash and don’t crap in it. Regulations were established so people whose conscious is elevated slightly above our fellow simians have a few guidelines so they don’t extinguish themselves, the rest of us are fine.

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suspence
2 years ago
Reply to  Iliketables

It is not unequivocally false. It is his opinion and you have yours but it’s not a cut and dry/black and white issue. It’s complicated. So when you present an opinion as fact and refer to scientists as “science” people, your opinion instantly looses credibility.

VadoseWaters (Humboldt Bay)
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VadoseWaters (Humboldt Bay)
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

Yep. I agree. I can’t fish for salmon anymore, halibut was closed, and they told me rockfish are a no-go. Danged fish biologists. All they care about are stocks for my kids – who left years ago – let’s get these fish now!

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Bug on a Windshield
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Bug on a Windshield
2 years ago

Yep, since your kids left, there are no other kids in the state. So, let’s use it all up, sizes, limits and seasons be damned.

Timb0
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2 years ago

Go ahead. But, don’t get caught. Big fines.

try me
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try me
2 years ago

I’m a truck driver, I’ll trade pay and benefits with them ANY day!

Tim
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Tim
2 years ago
Reply to  try me

Are you willing to go get the required education first? Because if you are, then there are openings in those fields.

Bud
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Bud
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Yeah the problem is that even with the education, honest hardworking motivated people are not going to work for a woke agency that is more concerned about pronouns than accomplishing anything…

Timb0
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2 years ago
Reply to  Bud

So what you are saying is the state’s educated scientists are NOT hardworking and honest? Haha.

Tangled Massocells
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Tangled Massocells
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Please do not go into economics. If you are already in some of the fields where there are openings – well, that’s frightening.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago

September jobs one-month net changeThe horizontal bar chart shows job creation statistics for September 2023, broken down by sector.

Leisure + hospitality
96K
Government
73K
Health care + social assistance
65.9K
Professional + business services
21K
Retail trade
19.7K
Manufacturing
17K
Wholesale trade
11.7K
Construction
11K
Transportation + warehousing
8.6K
Utilities
4.8K
Financial activities
3K
Mining + logging
1K
Information
−5K
Chart: Gabriel Cortes / CNBC Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
Data as of Oct. 6, 2023

Bars and restaurants were the strongest group within leisure and hospitality, adding 61,000 jobs.
Government hiring also picked up in September with a net gain of 73,000 jobs. That is up sharply from the 6,000 jobs added in the same month a year ago.
State government education accounted for 29,000 of those jobs this year.
The job market has continued to defy expectations of a significant slowdown, and in fact, the numbers for August and July were revised upward. That could be a sign that more workers are joining the labor market, either through immigration or by coming off the sideline, said Jason Furman, Harvard professor and former National Economic Council director.

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Mr. Clark
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2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

LOL……foolishness

Expanding Insignificance
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Expanding Insignificance
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Student loan debt is the best way to prepare students for life.

D'Tucker Jebs
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2 years ago
Reply to  try me

Truck drivers should be paid better.
That dosn’t mean that scientists shouldn’t be paid better too.

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Well, they can always quit if they don’t like the pay and the golden parachute offered up on a platter after twenty years. Plus, our country is now bankrupt with 1 trillion in interest payments alone, nevermind the principle. They should be praying to their god they have a job or they can just quit to relieve their monetary burden they are imposing on our country. Life sucks, get to work.

Tangled Massocells
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Tangled Massocells
2 years ago

Many of them voted for the folks that created the Inflation. After reality hits them, they going on strike.

Tim
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Tim
2 years ago

Did you bother to note that the report that they were underpaid compared to others came out in 2020 before the bump in inflation? The bump that has now largely gone back to normal levels.

Turtlenuts
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Turtlenuts
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Instead of bumping scientists up to engineer pay level, lower engineer pay to match scientist pay – engineers r way overpaid regardless of education

NoBody
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NoBody
2 years ago
Reply to  Turtlenuts

I guess the bridges you drive over are not worth the money payed to engineers to make sure they’re designed correctly to keep you safe. ?

Turtlenuts
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Turtlenuts
2 years ago
Reply to  NoBody

You got right – the bridges are absolutely not worth the pay level engineers receive

Tangled Massocells
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Tangled Massocells
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

I guess that would have made it even harder when inflation hit? Did you note that inflation bump back to normal means they are still being hit hard by inflation because the prices have largely stayed high and continue to inflate(only slower).

Tim
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Tim
2 years ago

Prices have almost always increased over time. The Fed regulates the money supply to try and keep it between 2 and 3% for the healthiest economy. Price decreases occur during depressions when no one has any money to buy anything.

The big difference in our latest bout of inflation is the much of it can be directly attributed to corporate greed raising prices to raise profits instead of trying to recover increases in costs. The constant Republican rhetoric that’s it’s Biden’s fault simply gives them (corporations) cover to continue doing it and they are laughing all the way to the bank.

Tangled Massocells
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Tangled Massocells
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Too bad the Corporations and Oligarch Billionaires by in large supported and continue to prop up Biden. “The Fed regulates… to try…”. What happened???? They not try hard enough? You forgot about the Treasury. Love to hear how to recover increases in costs! Have at it!

I am a robot
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I am a robot
2 years ago

The oligarch billionaires wholly own our government. Trump/Biden….no difference in fealty to corporate overlords

Tangled Massocells
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Tangled Massocells
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Do you often answer question with incoherent BS?

Tangled Massocells
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Tangled Massocells
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

“Price decreases occur during depressions when no one has any money to buy anything.” Brilliant!

Actually
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Actually
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Funny how this happens pretty predictably whenever election season is around the corner…

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Inflation is getting worse but don’t let the political talking points about how Bidenomics made everyone better off (what a complete joke and the psychological repetition is failing) get in the way of pushing a red herring. Public jobs were never intended to be equivalent to private pay. It’s called public socialism versus private capitalism. I would suggest they stop voting for people who want to make everyone a socialist who relies on mommy government to pay there way in life. Life sucks, these strikers should all be fired on Monday morning. No sympathy, cry me a River, take a hike, see ya, sayonara, hasta la vista, bye bye, don’t let the redwood curtain slap them in the keester on moving day.

Country Joe
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2 years ago

Spot on. You get what you vote for…

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
2 years ago

Why are civil servants allowed to form unions and strike? This should be outlawed. This is holding their employers hostage, the taxpayers. There used to be a time that you joined the government workforce to make a difference for America. In return for less pay when compared to private sector equivalent jobs, you were guaranteed a retirement which many in the private sector do not have.

Now, we have guys like this Monty maniac claiming that he needs more money when he is making two times what the private taxpayers currently make who fund his existence. I have a better idea, fire his butt along with all his chums on the picket line. Their former jobs will be filled quickly by folks who are smarter, work harder, and will work for less with no complaints because they want to make America better while knowing a golden retirement parachute is waiting for them twenty years from now. By the way, since we have hundreds of thousands of folks crossing our border from Mexico looking for work, add them to mix as well. The Montys of the world will not be missed for a minute as their contribution to America is negligible at best, and burdensome to any citizen trying to live a normal
life free from just say No bureaucrats.

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Expanding Insignificance
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Expanding Insignificance
2 years ago
Reply to  Al L Ivesmatr

Public employee unions should absolutely not exist.
It’s wrong and should be a crime. They are also totally replaceable.

Stevo
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Stevo
2 years ago

Any of them who had the opportunity to review the VAERS, the Pfizer trial documents, the excess mortality, the contamination of the gene therapy shots and stayed silent should be fired not extra pay.

D'Tucker Jebs
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2 years ago
Reply to  Stevo

Well, it didn’t take this comment section long to go conspiratorial.

Peace Frog
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Peace Frog
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Well, it didn’t take long for the resident trolls to go conspiratorial against contemporaneous facts.

Expanding Insignificance
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Expanding Insignificance
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Conspiratorial? Would they have kept their jobs if they studied the adverse reactions to the so called vaccine? Are you saying there’s no need for legal immunity? Government scientists discover what their jobs require them to discover. Pensions and benefits are gold in Humboldt county. The school has an unnatural and probably unsustainable amount of power over the poor locals in Humboldt county.

fndrbndr
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2 years ago

You can live a lavish lifestyle on 83k a year. That’s 7k a month!!!

I am a robot
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I am a robot
2 years ago
Reply to  fndrbndr

And she has a husband who presumably is an earner as well. What a bunch of whiners

fndrbndr
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2 years ago
Reply to  I am a robot

Equal pay? I guess if they are inclusive, equal would mean somewhere in-between median and average. They already make more than that.

FBnative
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2 years ago

They should have studied economics, before taking those jobs.

I am a robot
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I am a robot
2 years ago

I’m on SSI. Apparently I make more than $83,000 a year. I can afford an emergency plane tiicket to visit my dying father.
Scientists can’t manage their money? Cry me a river

Gary Whittaker
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Gary Whittaker
2 years ago

Scientists need to get on the Congressional pay plan. Raises automatically happen unless lawmakers vote against it. It’s a sweet deal for what little they do.

well . . .
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well . . .
2 years ago

I believe there is more supply of folks with science degree than engineering degrees.

The Unpopular Opinion
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The Unpopular Opinion
2 years ago

Striking because getting a private sector job would require actual productivity?

The Unpopular Opinion
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The Unpopular Opinion
2 years ago

And, by the way, if they’re salaried, your tax dollars are paying for their play date…

The Unpopular Opinion
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The Unpopular Opinion
2 years ago

Nothing says “I add value” like hanging out with others in a thuggish manner threatening food-borne illnesses unless the ransom is paid…

suspence
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suspence
2 years ago

“…in thuggish manner…”
Peacefully gathering in public to advocate for yourself or your group is thuggish? Take a pill dude.

Hugh Manatee
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2 years ago

Engineers require far more training than biologists. After their degree, they must pass multiple exams to get licensed, much like an attorney. They also have much more liability when they personally sign something off. Apples to oranges.

Griffon
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Griffon
2 years ago
Reply to  Hugh Manatee

Your statement is true.
Comparing environmental scientists to engineers is hilarious.

suspence
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suspence
2 years ago
Reply to  Hugh Manatee

It’s surprising how many people don’t know about professional licensure. Was that discussed in the article? I didn’t read it all.

Heart
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Heart
2 years ago

Pay government workers / contractors minimum wage, then let them fight for higher pay for everyone.
Woodrow Wilson set us up for enslavement in 1913 by giving away the right to produce our money (fiat currency) to the world bankers.
We are becoming like rats fighting and climbing over each other for a few grains of rice.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago

??,

Great…!!!

…Just what we don’t need…

…Mad Scientists…!!!

???

Humboldt Anti-Yokelocracy Liberation Front
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Humboldt Anti-Yokelocracy Liberation Front
2 years ago

Yes, my heart bleeds for all the poor, put-upon scions of the Yokelocracy. These “Scientists” seem very well-fed to me, and look at those phones! Expensive!

Not.

Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
2 years ago

The salaries quoted here do not reflect the costs of State Benefits.

Each of these people, at retirement, get fat PERS pensions, for life, that will be about double what an equivalently paid person will receive on Soc Sec…

State Employees complain, but calling a “Scientist” and an Engineer “equivalent” is odd, because Engineers have Bachelor’s Degrees and “Scientists” have PhD’s!

If the employee does not like the salary, the employee should find a better position…

Software Engineers typically make more than other Engineers, and many Engineering Graduates end up in Med School or Law School or other higher paying positions…

Like Kevin said to me, “you’re going to work your whole life. Would you rather make $10/hour or $50/hour? (in 1976)…

I didn’t want to go to any more school, but he became a Lawyer, and I became a Scientist. And an investor.

If you don’t make enough money, make more money!

Union weenies make me sick…

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
2 years ago

Well they certainly havent saved the fish, so based upon performance they should be fired. Government employment is a gravy train. What are they complaining about. They have it made.

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well . . .
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well . . .
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

Their job is not to save the fish. Their job is to collect data for the electorate so that we can enact laws that will save the fish. It is us who have failed the fish, not the scientist.

crap
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crap
2 years ago

Couple things

  1. They have a right to strike.
  2. The equal pay crap they are trying to pull is bullshit. Want to get paid the same and an engineer? Go get that job. If I dont like my pay scale then I go find a job that pays better. I used to work in a field I liked but didn’t pay shit so I am not in a different job. Guess what. I needed higher education in the last field then I needed for this one.

Quit your whining and either find another job or learn to live within your means. Your job in not needed it is part of an over bloated govt agency that could do the same job wit 1/4 of the people they have now.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  crap

List of Government Agencies, Bureaus, Commissions, and Departments
Following is an alphabetical list of organizations in the United States federal executive, legislative and judicial branches. This list of government agencies is not comprehensive, nor will it remain completely accurate, as agencies are shut down, and new ones are formed regularly.

Also, see our list of Federal Regulatory Agencies.

https://www.einvestigator.com/list-of-u-s-government-agencies/
Federal Pay
https://www.federalpay.org/

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HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
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Wizard of Odds
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Wizard of Odds
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Thats a loooong list the other people have to pay for

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Wizard of Odds

You would think with all those Gov. employees, plus all that they hire, our country would run like a well oiled machine.
Instead, we get chaos, government overlap, and agencies tripping over each other battling for funds and dominance.
Citizens get chat bot and no one answering the phones.

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Tangled Massocels
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Tangled Massocels
2 years ago
Reply to  crap

Apples should be same price as oranges. Social Workers should be paid same as cops. 1970’s in good ole USSR: Medical Doctors paid same as Butchers. (No lie)!

Tangled Massocells
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Tangled Massocells
2 years ago
Reply to  crap

Apples should be the same price as oranges. Social Workers should be paid the same as tenured Professors or Police. Criteria for entrance to advanced degree at University should be lottery system regardless of grades. 1970’s in USSR (Communist Russia for you youngsters), a meat market butcher was paid the same amount as a Medical Dr. No lie.

Iliketables
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Iliketables
2 years ago

We want more money! Maybe all us farmers should strike so people pay more for food. Manure prices have doubled but you raise the price on a head of lettuce a few cents and people complain. Maybe a farmer strike is in order. MORE MONEY MORE MONEY! We know ya’ll have it so more money!

suspence
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suspence
2 years ago
Reply to  Iliketables

That’s a lot of whining. I thought farmers were resilient and pick themselves up by the bootstraps and innovate. Is everything everyone elses fault?

Some Bozo
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Some Bozo
2 years ago

I know some of the strikers in these photos—believe me they are neither overworked or underpaid. There is very little transparency or accountability in the world of “environmental science”, just ask to see some of their raw data!

And an overwhelming majority of these folks are REGULATORS, not scientists. They don’t study anything or search for any kind of empirical truth. Their job is essentially to check boxes on boilerplate government forms.

These types of “scientists” are exactly what our corporate overlords in Sacramento and DC are looking for. Useful idiots, mostly. A puff-piece about “salmon restoration” makes for a nice distraction from what’s really going on: government beating down the common man while corporate greed runs amok on the environment.

Wizard of Odds
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Wizard of Odds
2 years ago

Monty Larson (Striking scientist above) pay increased from 85K in 2020 to 104K (154K after benefits) in 2022.

https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/search/?q=monty+larson

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to be fair
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to be fair
2 years ago
Reply to  Wizard of Odds

to be fair that was mostly lifting of the covid state furlough. less pay for less hours worked or more vacation time (monthly accrual of extra leave hours equal to pay loss).

Wizard of Odds
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Wizard of Odds
2 years ago
Reply to  to be fair

that’s fair, explains the sudden large increase, but the total is what matters.
Hard to convince the tax payers to fork over more money $ to people earning more than them.

to be fair
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to be fair
2 years ago
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I agree, they get paid plenty for unlicensed scientists. The higher paid scientists and engineers are paid more because they take a lot more calculus, chemistry and physics than the required classes for environmental scientist. The real problem is the state (especially water boards) having environmental scientists, engineering geologists, and water resource engineers/civil engineers do the same tasks for disparage pay.

Wizard of Odds
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Wizard of Odds
2 years ago

Total Pay with benefits from the scientists pictured above:
Monty Larson 155K/y
Molly Shea makes 120K/y
Elizabeth Pope 120K/y
Brandon Adcock 147K/y (“We worry about what we’re gonna buy for groceries,”)
Christi Burdi 115K/y
Kaylynn Newhart 135K/y

Mr. Clark
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2 years ago
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Holy Berny Madeoff, Batman. Some people are just greedy bastards.

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
2 years ago
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Yes. And if you go into their offices, it’s like walking into a tomb so little is going on.

Mr. Clark
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2 years ago

Pay caps and job cuts NOW!!!!¡

John
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John
2 years ago

What, exactly, is a scientist, anyway? Back in elementary school, they used to show us these educational films, telling us about how scientists are studying this, scientists are making inquiries into that, scientists, scientists, scientists . . . Myself, I’ve taken most of the earth science courses at my local community college, to include courses on meteorology, oceanography, physical geography, geology, environmental science, etc. So, basically, I know more about earth science than most people do. Does that make me a scientist? Or do you gotta have a PhD?

Thirdeye
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Thirdeye
2 years ago

When wildlife biologists, i.e. the true description of most “environmental scientists,” are doing similar work to engineers, they are working outside of their qualifications and expertise and it shows. It’s especially a problem with Water Quality Control Board and CDFW staff. If pay were tied to productivity, theirs would be negative because what they mostly do is wage turf wars to justify their own positions, with resulting disruptions and costs at the project level. Agencies need to be mission-centered, not to provide employment programs for economically marginal vocations. As it is, envirocrats are about as useful as diversicrats.