Skunk Train Gets Skunked; Great Redwood Trail Logs a Win

Mendocino Railway

The Skunk Train 2009 [Photo from Drew Jacksich from San Jose, CA, The Republic of California, CC BY-SA 2.0 <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0>, via Wikimedia Commons]

The Great Redwood Trail overcame a major hurdle late Thursday afternoon, when a federal regulator turned down the Skunk Train’s offer to buy 13 miles of track north of Willits. 

The Great Redwood Trail Agency, which owns the track, had asked the Surface Transportation Board, which regulates railroads, to allow it to abandon the track so it could start the process of converting it into a trail. The Board approved the abandonment, effective on June 19, unless it received a formal notice from an entity intending to buy part or all of the line. The Skunk Train, also known as Mendocino Railway, did so. Last Saturday, it filed its bid, known as an Offer of Financial Assistance, which the Board rejected within the five-day legal timeframe. The Board also lifted the hold on its authorization to abandon the line, which means that as of Tuesday, October 25, the entire 176 miles of track from Willits to just outside Eureka is officially an abandoned railway.

There is no appeals process, and the Board will take up further issues around converting the railway into a trail in the next few days. 

The Great Redwood Trail Agency is working closely with Senator Mike McGuire, the California Coastal Commission, and environmental groups including Friends of the Eel River, to build a 320-mile trail alongside or on top of the railroad line from Marin to the Humboldt Bay. The Agency also holds the deed to the Willits yard, or depot on Commercial Street, which is a critical part of the Skunk Train’s infrastructure. 

Last month, Robert Pinoli, the President and CEO of Mendocino Railway, told a judge he feared that if the line were abandoned, his company would no longer be able to use the yard. Pinoli was the only witness in a three-and-a-half day eminent domain trial, where Mendocino Railway is suing a landowner just outside of Willits, claiming that short lines like the Skunk Train are a vital element of the nation’s infrastructure. As such, Pinoli argued, the Skunk should be authorized to take the property because its use of it would serve the most public benefit. The eminent domain trial seemed to conclude about a week before the Great Redwood Trail Agency signed the deed to the Willits yard, but it’s since been reopened. It will start up again on November third.

The process of converting the railway into a trail appeared to be threatened over the summer, when an anonymous “Coal Train”  interest based in Wyoming declared its intent to purchase all 176 miles of the track and use it to carry coal from the midwest and ship it overseas from the port in Humboldt Bay. That plan was scuttled when badly redacted bank statements showed that the company was flat broke.

The Skunk Train’s challenge remained, though. On Saturday, it made good on its stated intent to buy the track from Willits to Longvale. In a 271-page Offer of Financial Assistance, the company argued that the Great Redwood Trail Agency had grossly overestimated the maintenance and rehabilitation costs of the line; that the Skunk Train had a potential client for its freight shipping services; and that it has the financial wherewithal to purchase the track for about five and a half million dollars. The company estimated that rebuilding the track would cost an additional seven to nine million dollars.

The Great Redwood Trail Agency’s attorney, Charles Montange, argued that “In order to show financial responsibility, MR (Mendocino Railway) must show available assets sufficient to cover purchase price and rehabilitation and other costs of sustaining the initial two years of operation.” The Agency calculated that the purchase price, rehabilitation costs, and the two years operation and maintenance would come out to a little over $39 million. The entire northern portion of the line is so unsafe that in 1998, the Federal Railroad Administration embargoed it, meaning that it is illegal to use the line. And a tunnel on the Mendocino Railway line between Willits and Fort Bragg has collapsed multiple times. There is no connection between the Mendocino Railway short line and the national rail network. Pinoli testified last month that to his knowledge, the last time Mendocino Railway interchanged a freight train with another train was the day before Thanksgiving of 1998. He did not know the last time a freight train left Mendocino County.

Mendocino Railway did not include its assets or the name of its potential shipping client in the public filing of its Offer of Financial Assistance. The Surface Transportation Board did have access to that information, and it found that the Railway “failed to demonstrate…that it has, or within a reasonable amount of time will have, the funds necessary to not only acquire the 13-mile rail segment, but to rehabilitate, maintain, and operate it as well.”

The Great Redwood Trail Agency hired Marie Jones, a Fort Bragg consultant, to conduct a market analysis of Mendocino Railway from Longvale to Willits. She wrote that, “As an abandoned community, (Longvale) will not provide a market for the rail-based transport of any finished goods, manufactured goods, or commuting traffic, and on its face, is not a tourist destination for excursion train use. Aggregates, gravel and sand are the only realistic potential freight from this area.” She calculated that permitted operations in the area allow for a maximum of 79,100 tons of gravel extraction per year. With competitive transportation costs in the Willits market, she concluded, “There is no space within the market for non-competitive transportation pricing.” Jones is dubious that any potential shipper would pay the higher rates she believes Mendocino Railway would have to charge to be profitable, especially since trucking is so much cheaper.

According to Jones, for the train to compete with trucks, it should charge $211 per railcar. But Jones concluded that “the total capitalized cost for acquisition, construction, and operating costs for the Longvale to Willits rail line would be $3,767/railcar, which is an order of magnitude higher than the average trucking cost of $211 for 80 tons of aggregate delivery.”

Montange summed up Jones’ findings:

The only shipper that could possibly be served on the Longvale to Willits segment is Wylatti dba Geo Aggregates, which has previously been identified by MR (Mendocino Railway) as the only shipper in the Longvale vicinity, and which is also present in Fort Bragg. GRTA (the Great Redwood Trail Agency) retained Marie Jones to examine rail need and feasibility for all the shippers identified by MR, and the transportation market generally from Longvale to Fort Bragg. Suffice it to say that Ms. Jones shows in her resulting report (attached to Jones Verified Statement, exhibit 4) not only that Wylatti is being served by trucks but also that that trucks are cheaper than rail to satisfy all current orexpected transportation needs. If trucks are cheaper, then freight rail is not feasibleor needed.

The Board agreed that Mendocino Railway “has not demonstrated financial responsibility.” Meanwhile, the Great Redwood Trail Agency has released its “Feasibility, Governance, and Railbanking Report,” which McGuire refers to as the “Master Plan.” He anticipates it will take two to three years to get through the details of construction, fire safety, and community engagement before trail building begins. There will be a virtual town hall about the master plan on Monday night at 6:30 p.m.

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SheHateMe
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SheHateMe
3 years ago

Let the Great Northern California Homeless Highway begin! For decades hobos hitched rides on freight cars between different towns on the great railroads of this country. Now der Kommisars of Kalifornistan will make them walk.

Vective
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Vective
3 years ago
Reply to  SheHateMe

The homeless are the role models of the Green movement: they typically walk, cycle, or use public transportation; don’t add stress to our electrical grid; conserve water, … – the list is practically endless.

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
3 years ago
Reply to  Vective

Biden’s War on Fossil Fuels beginning day #1 is the root cause of Bidenflation that’s costing each of us six weeks of our work each year.
Joe Biden did that!

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Tim
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Tim
3 years ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

What war? Oil production in the US is near the historic high. Oil exports set new records this past summer. Oil lease sales had to be canceled because no one would bid on them.

Some 2/3rds of the current increase in all prices can be directly attributed to corporate greed — they are increasing their profits at your expense and trying to blame everything else.

Meanwhile, the current group has managed to slice the record high budget deficits nearly in half. Deficits that had increased dramatically under the previous administration.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Who are you suggesting is responsible for last year’s $2.8 trillion deficit?

The previous administration?

I don’t think so…

The deficit was 100% higher last year than the $1.4 trillion deficit is this year.

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Tim
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Tim
3 years ago
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Yes. The previous administration passed a tax cut for the wealthy that exploded the deficit. The pandemic exacerbated it. However, it was lower in 2021 than it was in 2020, which was under the previous administration.

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3 years ago
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3 years ago
Reply to  Tim

That’s funny, I just prepared to post the same graph…

“The previous administration passed a tax cut for the wealthy that exploded the deficit.”

How do you figure?

The wealthiest, like Trump, don’t pay much taxes…

And if that is the reason for the deficit in 2021, it would it have been the same for 2022.

Did the wealthy all of a sudden start paying taxes again like they did before Trump cut their taxes?

Did Biden raise them again?

If that didn’t change, then your story is not adding up…

Biden has been spending money like there is no tomorrow…

I wonder if the money that came from selling the oil from the strategic petroleum reserves to other countries ,went back into the budget, and that’s how Biden reduced the deficit?

And I wonder if part of Trump’s deficit was due to Trump filling the strategic petroleum reserve out of the budget?

If that is how Biden reduced the deficit this last year, it’s bullshit, he just sold us out to make his numbers deceptively look good right before the midterms…

It’s not like Biden has actually been doing anything right.

He just spent the petroleum reserves, instead.

We now have an enormous black gold petroleum reserve deficit, compared to when Trump was in office…

How many $tens of billions is that?

And how much armament has he sold out of our supplies?

Does that go back into the budget as well?

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3 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Ultimately, CBO said FY 2021 ended with a deficit of nearly $2.8 trillion—about $360 billion less than the deficit in 2020. That’s similar to the $350 billion figure Biden uses. CBO noted that the deficit for 2021 ended up smaller than it had projected in July “mostly because income tax receipts were greater than CBO projected.”

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Emphasis on…

“CBO noted that the deficit for 2021 ended up smaller than it had projected in July “mostly because income tax receipts were greater than CBO projected.” ”

Hmmm…

raiconlan@gmail.com
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3 years ago
Reply to  Tim

It’s a strategy called starve the beast. If we decrease the budget you don’t have busy body gov a-holes harrassing you about traditional land use practices such as the Hammond family persecuted by employees of the Malheur wildlife refuge. 5 years in prison for a small control burn on their own property.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Looks like I was right…

Biden could be selling strategic petroleum reserves to bouy the deficit.

He’s borrowing from Peter to pay Paul.

There is nothing fiscally responsible about that…

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-oil-reserve/u-s-budget-deal-would-sell-15-percent-of-emergency-oil-reserve-idUSKBN1FS2KO

‘U.S. budget deal would sell 15 percent of emergency oil reserve’

“The U.S. budget deal reached by Congress on Wednesday includes the sale of 100 million barrels of crude oil from the country’s emergency petroleum stash starting in 2022, or about 15 percent of the reserve, according to the text of the agreement.”

“Under the agreement, expected to be voted on later on Thursday, the Energy Department would sell 30 million barrels from 2022 to 2025, 35 million barrels in 2026 and 35 million barrels in 2027 to help fund the government. The Strategic Petroleum Reserve, or SPR, currently holds 665.1 million barrels of crude in series of underground caverns on the Texas and Louisiana coasts.”
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But it looks like Biden has already sold twice as much as was supposed to be sold through 2027!!!

He’s already sold at least 200 million barrels from the strategic petroleum reserves.

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Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
3 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Compared to Biden’s $1.9T recovery act + $1T infrastructure act? So Biden cut his own $5T spending spree and calls that a success? After causing 8% Bidenflation he’ll next claim success when Bidenflation is still sky high 6%?

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3 years ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

Exactly.

Jean Lopez
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Jean Lopez
3 years ago
Reply to  Tim

FactCheck, which is described as “center with a slightly left bias” has this to say about the deficit fib: https://www.factcheck.org/2022/04/bidens-deficit-spin/

Timb0
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3 years ago
Reply to  Jean Lopez

Tax the uber wealthy at 50% no matter if they move out of the US or stay. That will buoy the budget.

raiconlan@gmail.com
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3 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Lease sales were not bid bc of pipeline capacity. Pipelines are blocked by this administration.

Korina42
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3 years ago
Reply to  Vective

Why would a homeless person walk a 300+ mile trail that’s 50 miles from any resources for most of its length when they can hitch a ride or take a bus? It makes no sense. Also, see the California Coastal Trail and the Pacific Crest Trail, both of which run the length of the state, like the GRT will.

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Thatguyinarcata
3 years ago
Reply to  SheHateMe

Who are all these homeless people you expect to see walking along some remote hiking trail? If you haven’t noticed, the homeless tend to congregate around urban centers where there are surplus resources and public/charitable assistance.

Any person equipped for a life actually walking freely from city to city is already able to do that right now. Why would they wait for some public walking trail?

SheHateMe
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SheHateMe
3 years ago

I expect homeless encampments along that trail close to towns. How many people using the Hishkari trail get accosted by bums? I know I have. In the meantime, we all better get used to walking once EVs are the only vehicles the Leftist Overlords will let us buy and drive.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/hurricane-ian-flood-damage-evs-creating-ticking-time/story?id=91795016&cid=referral_taboola_feed

raiconlan@gmail.com
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3 years ago

I don’t believe this is a path that provides jobs for local people. It provides a lot of government jobs for people not from Northern California. This is California 2022 cannibalize private property to create more government jobs that are supported by an ever diminishing tax base. The only thing that supports this house of cards is the fed printing money and that is ending. I don’t believe many people will use this trail and the trail could have coexisted with the rail line.

What!?
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What!?
3 years ago

I am a trail user. I have no interest in ‘coexisting’ with a toxic black smoke producing taxhole with the potential of running over my dog while shattering the serenity of the forest. Go build your toy in Tennesee.

Jean Lopez
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Jean Lopez
3 years ago
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“Go build your toy” – ? The Redwood Route dates back to 1885. The black smoke is what you don’t like – it’s fashionable to protest against the gasoline-powered engine these days. “…no interest in co-existing”? Tut tut. There are other trails, the Skunk is world-famous and one of a kind. You and your dog can drive in your electric car to another, more serene part of the woods. Save the Skunk!

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Korina42
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3 years ago
Reply to  Jean Lopez

Save the Skunk? Do you want taxpayers to fund the $39+million it would cost to get it running? $30 million of that is repairing the collapsed tunnel. I, for one, don’t feel like paying that much money to support a private business.
Also, there are other excursion trains in the country, and I heard that not a one of them has ever made a profit.

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Nooo
3 years ago
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Dogs would not be allowed in most of State or Federal Park lands and even when allowed are to be on a leash. Getting run over would require serious in attention by the owner.

gerard mannering
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gerard mannering
3 years ago
Reply to  What!?

EXACTLY !!

raiconlan@gmail.com
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3 years ago
Reply to  What!?

Yeah well I lived right next to this line and the trains ran about 1 every 6 weeks and its very nice of you to come here to this beautiful place and then decide you should put others out of a job so that more blood sucker leach gov employees from Bakersfield can suck on the goverment tit.

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Nooo
3 years ago

It could if integated with shorter trails to smaller towns along the way. And if course fund things like rescue, emegency services, police and maintenance so all those burdens don’t fall on locals. It is just the Federal and State government is always planning projects then diverting money away from maintenance until things fall apart. It’s hard to trust their “glorious projects” when they are continuously abandoning them to decay right now.

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
3 years ago

Pretty sure California lefty elites are not interested in jobs for locals except maybe in the tourist and academic industries and want our industrial/agricultural base and permanent population to be as small as possible.

The more people that are in the woods of our hills and mountains, the more fires that will be started either accidentally or on purpose.

The easiest way to preserve the natural beauty of this area is to reduce local population.

Providing utilities in these rugged areas that are sparsely populated is quite expensive per person.

Rural citizens are at the bottom of Dem priorities cuz there are so few votes to be harvested.

Martin
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Martin
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve Koch

Steve, I have been here all my life living in the redwoods. What I see happening now makes me agree with your comment 100%. The Skunk Train is down and out again in their offer to buy 13 miles of track. That train has been running since I was a little boy. Six American flags flying proudly on her front makes me proud! I pray she will keep blowing coal for years to come. There are miles of train tracks that are not being used now, make them into the damn trail!

gerard mannering
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gerard mannering
3 years ago
Reply to  Martin

hilarious

Shawn Cherrry
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Shawn Cherrry
3 years ago

Spot on! This trail is purely a waste of money. But that’s what California is best at.

Korina42
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3 years ago
Reply to  Shawn Cherrry

What, $500 million? That’s a mile or two of urban freeway. Chump change.

Mendocino Mamma
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Mendocino Mamma
3 years ago

It’s twofold. Can be an amazing opportunity to have a trail someone like the Appalachian. Yet at the same time have anyone seen the effects of the rail trail in Ukiah? It has nefariously turned into a freeway for illicit traffic. With the remoteness of this section how will be emergency and maintenance requirements be met? The work to be done should be contracted to locals. They are building the new CCC complex in Willits to be completed around the time the rail trail is to begin. Hopefully they can be facilitators of the foundation for the Northern Trail stretch.

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raiconlan@gmail.com
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3 years ago

Incarcerating people and forcing labor is not a long term solution but one that works for our current politicians and the Cal-fire interests.

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Korina42
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3 years ago

The California Conservation Corps isn’t a jail; it’s an organization that teaches young people valuable skills while doing good work for the public good. Look them up; they’re pretty awesome.

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
3 years ago

How soon we forget.

‘”Mendocino County Supervisor Johnny Pinches watching one of the last loads of logs being shipped out of Island Mountain, just south of Cain Rock.comment image

To look at the area today, it is difficult to see that this was the location of an important part of early California, and railroad history. The Golden Spike was the pin that connected Humboldt County to the rest of the world, and opened up the markets for redwood lumber. The driving of the Golden Spike was a three day celebration, with a train coming from the north and a train coming from the south. They met at Cain Rock for the Golden Spike Driving. The mayor of San Francisco and the future governor of california, James “Sunny Jim” Rolph, came on the south train and made a glorious speech.”

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
3 years ago
Guess
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Guess
3 years ago

Thanks Ernie I remember as a kid watching the train going over the trestle That connects to the island mtn tunnel from the river bar looking up underneath its metal grate so you could see the bottom of the train rumbling and clanking over you kind neat.

Korina42
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3 years ago

Wasn’t that the train that was stuck there for three days while the brand new tracks were being repaired?

willow creeker
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3 years ago

I’m afraid we are being shortsighted. If everyone is so sure that automobile travel is coming to an end (which it is, at least powered by oil) then we should be keeping options open. Either moving materials or people, rail is the most efficient. I’m not convinced everything is going to go smoothly with the transition to everything becoming electrified.

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
3 years ago
Reply to  willow creeker

“I’m not convinced everything is going to go smoothly with the transition to everything becoming electrified.”

The sentence is an excellent example of understatement, well done.

John Rose
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John Rose
3 years ago
Reply to  willow creeker

It may be the cheapest, but it’s not very efficient if you aren’t near the rail line.

Uri
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Uri
3 years ago
Reply to  willow creeker

You have a very valid point

Korina42
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3 years ago
Reply to  willow creeker

Once again. No. rail. possible. through. the. Eel. River. Canyon. Trains are the most efficient method of moving goods, but only if the geology allows for rails.

Joshua Woods
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Joshua Woods
3 years ago

How idiotic! A tourist attraction is denied expansion in the name of the useless rails to trails. I hate the intolerance towards the railroad in California. Such shortsightedness.

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
3 years ago
Reply to  Joshua Woods

We rode the old timey train that goes into the Redwoods near Santa Cruz and it was a pretty awesome trip.

Vective
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Vective
3 years ago
Reply to  Joshua Woods

I didn’t get the impression the ST bid was for expansion, but rather to secure their claim on the Willits depot, which may be threatened.

cranky old lady
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3 years ago
Reply to  Vective

Now, now. Don’t confuse the simples with facts.
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Korina42
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3 years ago
Reply to  Vective

The STB bid was so they could call themselves a public utility and not have to follow environmental rules and practice (perpetrate?) eminent domain. I.e. take others’ private property, not have to clean up the Georgia Pacific mill site they got cheap (so GP wouldn’t have to clean it up), and possibly take over Fort Bragg.

gerard mannering
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gerard mannering
3 years ago
Reply to  Joshua Woods

hate speech !! reported !!

Bozo
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Bozo
3 years ago

The supposed ‘news article’ turned into a ‘Great Redwood Trail’ op-ed.

Regulator denies a Railroad Company a right to buy some track… and gives it to what will likely become a $300 million drug/bum trail. Just part of the decline of what was once the Redwood Empire. Go figure.

Thank you: Senator Mike McGuire, the California Coastal Commission, and environmental groups including Friends of the Eel River.

What!?
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What!?
3 years ago
Reply to  Bozo

I think you lack comprehension of the term “imminent domain’. Would you be so supportive if it was YOUR property on the chopping block for the good of the company?

Vet
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Vet
3 years ago
Reply to  What!?

Eminent domain is not iminent ☺

Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago
Reply to  What!?

Or for the demands of a government agenda. Truth in that. Eminent domain has been misused for decades from cities to build affordable housing (which was a small number in the midst of a huge for-profit development) to forcing out homeowners to make Redwood Park. It should be the last resort in a desperate situation but too often is the first resort by government and profiteers.

Korina42
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3 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

These days it’s usually misused by cities to build sports arenas, displacing hundreds if not thousands.

Gary Whittaker
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Gary Whittaker
3 years ago
Reply to  Bozo

You could stuff alot of bums and grow crops inside those tunnels. The empire strikes back.

Kym Kemp
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3 years ago
Reply to  Bozo

Just because you don’t like the results, doesn’t mean our reporter was biased because she stated them. If you would like to offer a thoughtful op-ed response though, we’ll be happy to post it for you.

Bozo
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Bozo
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Well, I think the headline says it all… Skunk Train Gets Skunked; Great Redwood Trail Logs a Win

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
3 years ago
Reply to  Bozo

I think that is just Kym’s love of puns. Not an editorial statement.

raiconlan@gmail.com
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3 years ago
Reply to  Bozo

Friends of gov employees more like it.

Gary Whittaker
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Gary Whittaker
3 years ago

Thank goodness California is building the high speed rail for SoCal. That’ll really help our public transit needs behind the redwood curtain. The rail lines from eureka south were the most profitable in the nation at one time. Now the abandoned line doesn’t even exist in many washed out locations. If the tunnels are unsafe for trains, how would they be safe for a trail? I hope our elected officials aren’t consuming too much of their time for this. There are so many other issues of importance in our region.

What!?
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What!?
3 years ago
Reply to  Gary Whittaker

“If the tunnels are unsafe for trains, how would they be safe for a trail?”

I walk trails. I weigh 180 lbs. How much does your rumbling seismic vibrator weigh?

Kirk
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Kirk
3 years ago
Reply to  What!?

Don’t want to get into the issue of the bridges and tunnels too deep. But if the route becomes a hiking trail seems in many cases a hiking trail could go around the tunnel.

Bozo
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Bozo
3 years ago
Reply to  Kirk

Hmm… have you ever been to Island Mountain ???

Guest
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Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Kirk

In some cases maybe, but that will possibly require leaving the right of way in some cases. Especially around The Island Mountain Tunnel, which, as a matter of trivia, doesn’t go through Island Mountain at all…

(I’m pretty sure.)

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Here is another view, for additional perspective on the goin’ around thingy…

(I don’t think so…)

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Timb0
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3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Yeah–doomed. Here is a short history.
https://scholarworks.calstate.edu/downloads/pc289m290

Guest
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Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Yep, Island Mountain is on the other side of the river from the Island Mountain Tunnel.

The Island Mountain Tunnel doesn’t go through Island Mountain at all…

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Guest
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3 years ago
Reply to  Kirk

??Speaking of Bridges and Tunnels….

How about addressing the issue of where Bridges and Tunnels meet…!!!???

Does it look like a hiking trail could go around this tunnel…!!!???

This is the Island Mountain Tunnel.

Good luck hiking around it…?‍♂️?

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Uri
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3 years ago
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There are so many things the McGuire cartel has not thought of. But to be sure he got Doug Bosco millions of our tax payer money with the NWPco buyout and now he has the coastal Conservancy (Bosco is the Chairman) to conduct millions in “planning”. Nothing to see her folks just move along…..
When the planning is complete they will probably find out it can’t be done with the lawsuits that are lining up. But McGuire won’t be asking Bosco for our money back.

Korina42
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3 years ago
Reply to  Uri

What do you mean by “planning”? https://greatredwoodtrailplan.org/

What!?
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What!?
3 years ago
Reply to  What!?

Promise?

Korina42
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3 years ago
Reply to  Gary Whittaker

That’s odd. I’ve always understood that the line never did much more than break even. They used to have crews stationed throughout the Eel River Canyon; after a train came through they would go out and push the rails back onto their bed and stuff gravel underneath to hold it in place. Every train.

Kirk
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Kirk
3 years ago

Great coverage. Don’t give up on this. The fossil fuel industry is strong and has had its sites on the deep water Humboldt port for a long time.

John Rose
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John Rose
3 years ago
Reply to  Kirk

There is no deep-water Humboldt port without frequent dredging by the federal government.

Kirk
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Kirk
3 years ago
Reply to  John Rose

Thank you for the clarification. However rest assured that if there is a plan to ship millions of tons of Wyoming coal to Asia the feds will keep up on the dredging. Wouldn’t that be at tax payers expense?

Jean Lopez
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Jean Lopez
3 years ago
Reply to  Kirk

There are perfectly good ports north of here – Astoria, Portland, Seattle, Bellingham, the list goes on. Why would they put in a new port in Humboldt at massive expense, to give people jobs?? Unless of course the Chinese are buying it, in which case all bets are off. I put in a call to Xi but he’s busy with a purge, I’ll let you know when he gets back to me.

Korina42
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3 years ago
Reply to  Jean Lopez

And all those ports kicked the coal guys to the curb. Humboldt was the last resort. 🙂

Jean Lopez
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Jean Lopez
3 years ago
Reply to  John Rose

And can’t you just picture those loads of freight going through Richardson Grove? To bring goods to the vast metropolis of Laytonville? Think this through already. I’ve been hearing this dark fantasy for thirty years and it is utterly absurd. C’mon, man!

I like stars
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I like stars
3 years ago
Reply to  Jean Lopez

Sounds like you don’t know where the line runs. Check it out some time.

Gary Whittaker
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Gary Whittaker
3 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Your correct stars. The rail line has always been out of sight and out of mind. Many spots impassable now. In its hey day it took hundreds of laborers to keep it open.

Jean Lopez
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Jean Lopez
3 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Sorry for my lack of clarity. I’m replying to Kirk’s comment about a port being built in Humboldt. This is a bit of hippy paranoia I have heard for years and years. I was expounding on the idea, sarcastically describing freight being moved on Hwy. 101, not by rail, which in my view is even more far-fetched.
I have ridden (and performed) on the Skunk several times. Trains are in my blood. As a member of a family that has links to the Southern Pacific going back to its very inception in 1865, there’s nothing on earth that would keep me away from such a beautiful and thrilling ride.

raiconlan@gmail.com
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3 years ago
Reply to  Kirk

That’s crazy talk. There could be industry and jobs in Eureka there’s a huge gas field offshore but our politicians instead take private property and make it into parks no one uses. Or returns them to Native tribal governments that have zero interest in paying taxes. Only interested in recieving tax dollars. Kalifornistan is a failed state industry and corporations flee.

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
3 years ago

And native stations don’t remit gas excise tax so people that buy their gas are freeloaders riding on roads paid for by the rest of us honest taxpayers, it’s like they’re on welfare

Korina42
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3 years ago

Which parks are those? Curious.

Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago

The Skunk Train is, as far as I know, a thriving business. It seems that there could be a way to guarantee it keeps on thriving. Even could be an added boon to trail use for those if us who have small children or are too physically limited to take long or challenging hikes by making a hike available off the line to see something not otherwise available. But no one seems to be interested in finding a solution. All that seems to be going in is repeated attempts to stop others from interfering.

cranky old lady
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3 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

A thriving business? Seriously??? Last time I tried to see about taking my grandkids for an outing on the train, it was closed. Until further notice. When’s the last time it carried any passengers?

Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago
Eric
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Eric
3 years ago

Daily. Right now it’s the Pumpkin Train out of Willits and the shorter Pudding Creek Express. Most of the line between Crowley and Tunnel #1 hasn’t been used by trains (maybe the occasional work train out of Willits) in years. I guess the railbike thing is gaining popularity. Now you can do a railbike trek from across the bridge at the Tunnel #1’s east portal to almost Northspur.

Garrison Shelly
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Garrison Shelly
3 years ago

The homeless people will be living along the trails and the people on drugs it won’t be a safe trail at all

Jean Lopez
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Jean Lopez
3 years ago

My thoughts exactly. How on earth are they going to secure people’s safety?

cranky old lady
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3 years ago

Homeless don’t want to live out in the boonies. They need to be near stores and drug dealers. They’re not going to camp 20 miles away from the nearest Stop ‘n’ Rob.

Cetan Bluesky
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Cetan Bluesky
3 years ago

Petticoat Junction LOL! 26 miles of track and nowhere else to go! If ya get me drift…

Noa
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Noa
3 years ago

I am not from the area but keep up on the train .I wish they would understand what heritage means .the skunk train is heritage ..please let it run.

Sawanobori
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Sawanobori
3 years ago
Reply to  Noa

The Skunk hasn’t run a train from Willits to Fort Bragg in many years because of tunnel failure. MR hasn’t kept their line in service! Dean Witter and his legal team kept the passenger service (Budd Car) alive between Willits and Eureka. A ticket holder could simply flag down the Budd or get off anywhere along the line as many a fisherman did. It was a rocking slow ride taking most of the day to get from one end to the other.

Nono
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Nono
3 years ago

Even if they won they would have needed to retrofit the train, armored.

Shawn Cherrry
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Shawn Cherrry
3 years ago

Who’s gonna monitor he homeless that are gonna build tent and cardboard cities along the trail? I know who’s gonna pay for it though.

Vective
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Vective
3 years ago

I found this to be very well written, Sarah Reith! Thank you for your reporting.

What!?
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What!?
3 years ago

The “whole country of trails” you refer to is not on this continent. We have a whole country of roads. “Heritage” doesn’t necessarily mean “good”. It usually just means “old”. Change happens. Get used to it.

The world is different from when you were knee high to a grasshopper. Your grandparents had the same lament. As will your grandchildren.

Jean Lopez
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Jean Lopez
3 years ago
Reply to  What!?

Thank you for setting us straight, Citizen. Perhaps we should leap off of cliffs when we turn seventy?
O brave new world, that has such people in’t.

Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago
Reply to  What!?

So your take is that whether it is good or bad change doesn’t mean anything? Or are you just taking pot shots. That quibble would work for paving over a grove of Redwood trees instead of setting them aside. Of course change should be evaluated before it is done. Frankly right now the City of Arcata is clear cutting forests in the Jacoby Watershed. Trust in government is pretty hard to come by.

Dave Kirby
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3 years ago

A couple of points. I was fortunate to ride one of the last excursion trains from Willits to Eureka. Two things were apparent. The line was in truly bad shape. Difficult just to walk from one end of the car to the other and the train was limited to 15 mph. I also don’t see bum camps springing up where there is no infrastructure. All the “homeless” camps Ive seen are with in walking distance of food.

humboldturtle
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humboldturtle
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Kirby

Yes. There were some local railroads early, but no tracks south of what, Alton? The Eel River section was built in the first part of the 20th century specifically to transport lumber out and freight back. Passenger service was incidental, and by the time the tracks failed enough trees were gone that repairing the line was a huge financial liability for the NWP.
I took the NWP from Eureka to Willits in the sixties, and it was hot and s-l-o-w. After we made Willits, we took the Skunk to Fort Bragg and back, through redwoods. That was long enough.The Skunk is a great example of a tourist railroad, but I don’t remember them ever going beyond Willits.
Bill Pinches told me in the 1970s that the NWP was never intended to be a passenger line, and that passenger revenue, even at its peak did not reach 2%. We never know what some greedy bastards will try to transport through here, but it won’t be built as a passenger line, and the highway system has replaced the freight line.
I remember the sounds of the railroad through Eureka every night and wish I could hear them again – but not now. Talk about a homeless highway!

Sawanobori
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Sawanobori
3 years ago
Reply to  humboldturtle

I’d say you can’t find a North American rail line that was built for passenger service. They were built for freight shipment. My Grandfather was the Eureka agent for Railway Express. Almost all lines included passenger service even the local short lines. Part of the Eel River Canyon problem may lie in that the original contract included dynamite at no charge. This led to over shooting, just blasting the rock into the river saving steam shovel and transportation/dumping expense. This practice certainly left fractured, unstable conditions.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago

It’s pretty typical…

Southern California gets a bullet train…

Northern California…???

Take a hike!!!

Gary Whittaker
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Gary Whittaker
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

We’ve got a Amtrak bus 1 time per week that’ll take you to the Oakland train yard.

Guest
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3 years ago
Reply to  Gary Whittaker

One time per week?

That’s weak.

And takes you to Martinez, actually, Gary Whittaker, or at least it used to…

I’m somewhat familiar with it.

And if you want to just go to say, Santa Rosa, so you can pick up your car and return home with it, you still had to go all the way to Martinez first, wait on a layover for the return Amtrak bus headed north, to finally drop you off in Santa Rosa…

And don’t expect it to run on time, if it’s 20 minutes late to Santa Rosa, and the car dealer is then closed, on a Friday, they won’t take you home to Garberville, they’ll physically kick you off, and you’ll be walking. “Take a hike”. Trust me, I know.

Been there, done that.

Fun, fun, fun.

You want to go a little north? Say, to Fortuna from Garberville? That would be via Martinez.

Medford, Oregon, from Garberville, (6 hrs. by car) is at least a 24 hour trip on Amtrak, one way, via Martinez, and Sacramento, or some other additional hub, I believe.

Not exactly efficient, but it works somewhat if your destination is further south than Martinez, or at least Martinez is along the way…

But it’s no bullet train, to be sure.

Korina42
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3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

I hear Greyhound has improved a lot since it was bought.

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
3 years ago

The government continues to stomp on private business and property rights at taxpayers expense. The Marin and Sonoma legislators get what they want, local businesses be damned.

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Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

“The Appalachian Trail is the only national scenic trail owned entirely by the public and the only one for which the U.S. government has invoked eminent domain. The National Park Service says it acquired 15,266 acres along the trail via compulsory purchase, mostly between 1986 and 1997, out of nearly 150,000 total acres acquired to complete federal ownership of the land.”
Not that the government hasn’t done it for parkland already.

https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/hiking-and-backpacking/scenic-trails-eminent-domain-protection-drawbacks/#:~:text=“In%20fact%2C%20the%20Appalachian%20Trail%20used%20eminent%20domain,which%20the%20U.S.%20government%20has%20invoked%20eminent%20domain.

Vective
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Vective
3 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Are you suggesting that the landowners along the main fork might lose all or portions of their properties due to eminent domain?

Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago
Reply to  Vective

There is hardly any bit of property, including intangible property, that the government can not take as it sees fit. The courts have made so many decisions expanding it, that letting government develop anything near private property opens it to being taken for almost any reason at all.

The Federal government already owns about 46% of California. State, local and city government own about another 6%. Private property is less than half the State land. Easterners have no conception of how much land the government owns here.

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fbnative
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3 years ago

The Skunk train has tried this domain grab before. They are trying to run through a plan that no-one but they want here in Fort Bragg. A giant resort etc. between the town and the ocean ,is not what any locals want. Backhanded deals, are always bad. They need to fix what they have, and stay a small LOCAL train. F the tourists

Jean Lopez
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Jean Lopez
3 years ago
Reply to  fbnative

Yeah, who needs tourists when we have that red hot cannabis industry that’s doing gangbusters these days.

Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago
Reply to  fbnative

Is the one where the City was angry because they wanted to buy it themselves? Did the city succeed in buying it for itself? https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/skunk-train-owners-acquisition-of-fort-bragg-mill-site-upends-city-plans-a/

Tim
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Tim
3 years ago

The Skunk train is a tourist draw for a small area of the Mendocino coast. The Great Redwood trail would be a much larger tourist draw for the whole area between Marin and Eureka and would provide support for all of the tourism or service based businesses along the 320 mile long trail. Hwy 101 is already a popular bike touring destination and getting bike traffic off the highway would likely make it even more attractive.

Heck, just completing the part between Eureka and Fortuna would make bike commuting to CR 100 times better.

If you look at other areas with Rails to Trails you can find numerous examples of successful conversions that benefited the local communities and became major draws for out-of-the-area visitors.

Karl Verick
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Karl Verick
3 years ago
Reply to  Tim

I 100% agree. Backpackers and bicyclists will be the users, not homeless or ‘drug mules’. Having hiked the 150 mile section of the AT through Shenandoah Nation Park twice.

Gary Whittaker
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Gary Whittaker
3 years ago
Reply to  Tim

The last thing we need is more snooty Marin county millennials trekking up and down NorCal looking to find themselves.

Onceler
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Onceler
3 years ago
Reply to  Gary Whittaker

From my experience on similar trail systems around the world, it’ll probably be fairly affluent boomers and gen-X-ers outfitted with high end equipment and looking to toss the credit card down for anything the few local businesses along the way decide to offer them. Seven dollar muffin, they’ll take ‘em; boutique lodging, sure, they’re on holiday; wine, weed, beer…keep it coming $$$. And if you think sickly, mentally ill, drug dealing, poverty stricken folks will be traveling this remote trail you do not understand the way those populations operate. I know all to well the areas the rail trail will be routed; it’ll be the trail users that are in danger as they pass through some of those hollowed out communities, not the other way around.

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Korina42
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3 years ago
Reply to  Onceler

Do you think some of those hollowed out communities would benefit from the tourist dollars? Bike repair, bike rentals, B&B’s, restaurants, campgrounds, etc.

raiconlan@gmail.com
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3 years ago
Reply to  Gary Whittaker

There wont be many. That’s rattlesnake and robber country.

raiconlan@gmail.com
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3 years ago
Reply to  Tim

I call B#//$#’+ on that.

Guest
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Guest
3 years ago

??The Skunk Train got Railroaded.?‍♂️

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years ago

The Skunk Train is not known as Mendocino Railway. That is their business name. The Skunk Train is officially the California Western Railroad.

ExecutiveJeff
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ExecutiveJeff
3 years ago

the skunk train has entirely too much land that it doesn’t maintain or use as it is. I’d rather see that coast and railway being handled by the parks dept. or at least some people that see something more than a little gimmick tourist train.

raiconlan@gmail.com
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3 years ago
Reply to  ExecutiveJeff

But they pay taxes and what you describe is the opposite.

Spence Hinkle
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Spence Hinkle
3 years ago

They actually pay no property taxes for ownership of an easement or right of way and, as a Professional Land Title Examiner for over 30 years, I can tell you that I’ve only encountered one rail line that was held in fee as a strip of land & it was done so that it couldn’t be abandoned as long as those local property taxes were being paid.

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
3 years ago

Train to the south, train to the north, train to the east, coal train, train to Usal, trail to the south, trail to the north. The Great Redwood Boondoggle.

Pulled the wool over the hill oakies once again. Dumb sobs.

Phineas Homestone
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Phineas Homestone
3 years ago

The railroad right of way consists of easements and owned property dating back to the beginning of the last century. As far as I know the will be no need to “take” anyone’s land. The reality is landowners surrounding the right of way have enjoyed exclusive access to land they don’t own, which anyone would be unhappy to give up, I get it. The concerns around hobos and homeless, as expressed many times in the comments, are not likely to be a problem, the route is remote with difficult access, homeless won’t be attracted any more than they would be to the Pacific Crest, Continental Divide, or Appalachian trails. Consider what a Boone to local businesses all these trails have been to the small towns they pass through. Country folks may not appreciate strangers passing through, however these types of travelers bring money and no criminal motivations. Finally when city people see the beauty of a place they go home and vote to keep it that way. Like it or not, they will be our best ambassadors to keep the place as it is.

Kirk
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Kirk
3 years ago

Just a quick observation and comment. There have more comments regarding this article than any I have read before. With the high number of comments as well as the length of some, I read only those with a name. Hiding is not an option.

John
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John
3 years ago

First, I think Mendocino Railway might best focus their efforts on repairing the trestle at North Spur, so trains can once again travel between Ft. Bragg and Willits. This is a beautiful and popular tourist excursion. It seems like Great Redwood Trail has signed off on transfer of the rail yard at Willits, so that issue is off the table.

When younger I rafted or canoed the Eel from Dos Rios to Alderpoint several times. Spectacular trip. The Great Redwood Trail will be popular. Some B & B lodges on ranches along the way probably provide some economic benefit to local landowners. I do think there will be trespass and potentially more serious crime along this lengthy trail, particularly in summer, so some kind of security patrol likely needed.

On other dreams, I’d like to see the SMART train come north as far as Willits. The rail line within Humboldt County, out to Alderpoint, may still have some use. Should be considered.

Follow the dirt road to stupid town
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Follow the dirt road to stupid town
3 years ago

There is no way in hell I would feel safe using this trail. Getting police to respond out there would never happen.
They had every right to buy this rail line but they just change the rules after the fact when someone showed an interest?
We have terrible options for transportation out of the area. They should at least operate a bus if they plan to forever keep us in the stone ages of public transportation out of here.

Korina42
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3 years ago

Which rules were changed?
I agree we could use better bus service, beyond Greyhound and Amtrak twice a day. At least HTA runs buses to east and south Humboldt.

It was rigged from the git go
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It was rigged from the git go
3 years ago

Former Fort Bragg Community Development Director Marie Jones? (expletive)

John Meyer
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John Meyer
3 years ago

Do you think a private company should be entitled to Eminent Domain https://gofund.me/15987b7f