45 New Cases Reported Since Wednesday; Pediatric Clinics Available

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Press release from Humboldt County Public Health:

Humboldt County Public Health reported today 45 new cases of COVID-19 since Wednesday, bringing to 9,653 the total number of residents who have tested positive for the virus. There were no new hospitalizations or deaths.

Public Health will hold several pediatric and family vaccination clinics in the coming weeks to provide children ages 5 to 11 the recently authorized Pfizer pediatric vaccine. Appointments will be required and can be made on the state’s MyTurn.ca.gov vaccination portal.

Pediatric clinics will offer vaccine to children ages 5 to 11 only. Family clinics give priority to children ages 5 to 11, but parents and guardians of children who are getting vaccinated can receive any dose of the COVID-19 vaccine.

Due to a sharp increase in demand, walk-ins are not allowed at family and pediatric clinics for children ages 5 to 11 at this time. Boosters are not currently available to the general public at family clinics.

Walk-ins are allowed at most Public Health and many pharmacy vaccination sites, although people without appointments may see significant delays. Appointments are strongly recommended. The best way to ensure you receive a shot is to make an appointment at MyTurn.ca.gov.

Vaccines, including boosters, are widely available at local pharmacies. To check the availability of a specific vaccine, visit the vaccines.gov page, or text a ZIP code to 438829 to locate a nearby pharmacy offering vaccines.

Data Update

Since the last weekly data update on Nov. 5, the county has recorded 201 new cases of COVID-19. One death of an unvaccinated person was also reported during that period. The average age of deaths due to COVID-19 is 79 among the fully vaccinated residents and 66 in the unvaccinated. All of the five hospitalizations reported over the last week were unvaccinated residents. Age ranges of reported hospitalizations are as follows:

  • 1 person in their 30s
  • 1 person in their 40s
  • 1 person in their 60s
  • 2 people in their 70s

The seven-day average case rate in Humboldt County is currently 14, meaning that for every 100,000 residents, about 14 tested positive daily over the last seven days. Case rates vary considerably by vaccination status, as illustrated by the graph below, which depicts average weekly case rates since Dec. 2020 in unvaccinated and fully vaccinated residents.

Chart showing case rates (per 100,000 residents) since December 2020 with the unvaccinated case rate at 21, vaccinated at zero. Unvaccinated case rates climb to 29 in January, down as low as four in April, then up to 24 in mid-May, while vaccinated case rates never exceeded three. On June 15, when COVID restrictions were lifted, the unvaccinated case rate was 13 and vaccinated case rate was one. Then by mid-July, cases for everyone began to climb. The local case rate for unvaccinated people rose to a high of 79 residents per 100,000 but has since declined to 16. The case rate for fully vaccinated individuals reached a high of 30 in early August and has declined to 5 before increasing again to 13.

The current seven-day average case rate for fully vaccinated individuals is 13 per 100,000 residents while the case rate for unvaccinated individuals is 16 per 100,000 residents. View a more detailed depiction of the case rate graph.

See the schedule below for specific vaccination and testing clinic dates, times, locations and available services:

Hoopa — Saturday, Nov. 13, 10 a.m. to 3 p.m.
Hoopa High School (101 Loop Road)
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
PCR and rapid testing available

McKinleyville — Sunday, Nov. 14, 9 a.m. to 4 p.m.
McKinleyville High School (1300 Murray Road)
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
PCR and rapid testing available

Eureka — Monday, Nov. 15, 9 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. Closed from noon to 1 p.m.
Public Health Main Office (529 I St.)
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
Appointment required. No testing available.
$25 gift card for those receiving a first or second dose

Eureka Pediatric Clinic — Tuesday, Nov. 16, 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. Closed from noon to 1 p.m.
Public Health Main Office (529 I St.)
Ages 5 to 11. Pfizer only.
Appointment required. No testing available.

Willow Creek — Tuesday, Nov. 16, 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Closed from noon to 1 p.m.
Public Health Office (77 Walnut Way)
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
PCR and rapid testing available
$25 gift card for those receiving a first or second dose

Garberville — Wednesday, Nov. 17, 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Closed from noon to 1 p.m.
Public Health Office (727 Cedar St.)
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
PCR and rapid testing available
$25 gift card for those receiving a first or second dose

Arcata – Thursday, Nov. 18, from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m.
Arcata Transit Center (925 E St.)
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
PCR and rapid testing available

Trinidad — Thursday, Nov. 18, 4 to 7 p.m.
Trinidad Town Hall (409 Trinity St.)
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
PCR and rapid testing available

Petrolia — Friday, Oct. 19, 11 a.m. to 1:30 p.m.
Mattole Resource Center (167 Sherman St.)
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
PCR and rapid testing available

Honeydew Family Clinic — Friday, Nov. 19, 3:15 to 5:15 p.m.
Honeydew Elementary School (1 Wilder Ridge Road)
Ages 5-18 and family members.
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
PCR and rapid testing available

Arcata Family Clinic – Saturday, Nov. 20, from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m.
Arcata High School (1720 M St.)
Ages 5-18 and family members.
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
PCR and rapid testing available

Miranda Family Clinic – Sunday, Nov. 21, from 2 to 5 p.m.
South Fork High School (6831 Avenue of the Giants)
Ages 5-18 and family members.
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
PCR and rapid testing available

View the Data Dashboard online at humboldtgov.org/dashboard, or go to humboldtgov.org/DashboardArchives to download data from a previous time.

For the most recent COVID-19 information, visit cdc.gov or cdph.ca.gov. Local information is available at humboldtgov.org or by contacting [email protected] or calling 1-707-441-5000.

Sign up for COVID-19 vaccination: MyTurn.ca.gov
Check for vaccine availability at a local pharmacy: Vaccines.gov
Local COVID-19 vaccine information: humboldtgov.org/VaccineInfo
Humboldt County COVID-19 Data Dashboard: humboldtgov.org/Dashboard
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bearjoo
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bearjoo
4 years ago

LOL how fitting its a “pandemic of the vaccinated” as the Authoritarian mandate gets shot down in US Court of Appeals: Cue the outrage!

federal-appeals-court-affirms-stay-biden-vaccine-mandate-2021-11-12

Connie Dobbs
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Connie Dobbs
4 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

The president* says to just ignore that court order and do as you were told.

Joshua Woods
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4 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

Huge victory for freedom!!

Aaa1
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Aaa1
4 years ago
Reply to  Joshua Woods

?

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
4 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

SCOTUS has upheld vaccine mandates in the past but we’ll see. How could measurable natural immunity not qualify as equivalent to vaccination?

matrix
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4 years ago

Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. The Court’s decision articulated the view that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.
“In every well-ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members, the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.”

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thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

Do you know the result of that case?
Mr. Jacobsen’s $5 fine was upheld. He was not forcibly vaccinated.

matrix
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4 years ago

Yea but $5 back then is $10,000 in today’s dollars. And no one is being forcibly vaccinated but are being given a choice. What, do you think the government is going to strap you down and give you the shot. Look out here they come with a dart gun, like they use to tranquilize large animals

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thetallone
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thetallone
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

$5 in 1905 is equal to less than $160 in today’s dollars.

matrix
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4 years ago
Reply to  thetallone

I meant Mexican pesos

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

It would still be a small fine today. Less then $200. What is being proposed by the vax devotees is more severe than that.

Your answer does help illustrate that your motivation is more to punish the wrong thinkers than it is to accredit help anyone

matrix
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4 years ago

? I don”t get it. Are you saying your a wrong thinker?

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Root4America
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4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

Every once in awhile, the Supreme Court will decide a case that has widespread social and political impact, striking down discriminatory laws, upholding cherished institutions, protecting individual liberties. But not all Supreme Court opinions are great. Most are boring, technical, and of little import to the general public.
And some are downright terrible. For every Brown v. Board of Ed., there’s a Buck v. Bell. Indeed, there are enough horrendous Supreme Court opinions to fill a book, or at least a blog post, and many of the Court’s worst decisions still stand as good law. Here is our overview of the 13 most terrible, horrible, no good, very bad Supreme Court decisions.
1. Dred Scott v. Sanford (1857): Hands down the worst Supreme Court decision ever, Dred Scott held that African Americans, whether free men or slaves, could not be considered American citizens. The ruling undid the Missouri Compromise, barred laws that would free slaves, and all but guaranteed that there would be no political solution to slavery. The opinion even included a ridiculous “parade of horribles” that would appear if Scott were recognized as a citizen, unspeakable scenarios like African Americans being able to vacation, hold public meetings, and exercise their free speech rights.
2. Buck v. Bell (1927): “Eugenics? Yes, please!” the Court declared in this terrible decision which still stands as good law. In an 8-1 decision written by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, the Court upheld the forced sterilization of those with intellectual disabilities “for the protection and health of the state.” Justice Holmes ruled that “society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind” and ended the opinion by declaring that “three generations of imbeciles are enough.”
3. Korematsu v. United States (1944): Here, the Supreme Court upheld the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II, finding that the need to protect against espionage outweighed the individual rights of American citizens. In a cruel and ironic twist, this was also the first time the Court applied strict scrutiny to racial discrimination by the U.S. government, belying the idea that strict scrutiny is “strict in theory, fatal in fact.”
4. Plessy v. Ferguson (1896): The Court’s famous “separate but equal” ruling upheld state segregation laws. In doing so, the Court made sure that the gains of the post-Civil War reconstruction era were quickly replaced by decades of Jim Crow laws.
5. The Civil Rights Cases (1883): Another testament to the Court’s failure to protect civil rights, the Civil Rights Cases struck down the Civil Rights Act of 1875. That law sought to ban racial discrimination in businesses and public accommodations. The court, in an 8-1 decision, held that the enforcement provisions of the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments do not allow Congress to prevent non-governmental racial discrimination. It would take over 80 years for the Court to switch course, allowing for the government protection of civil rights in Heart of Atlanta Motel v. U.S — this time under the Commerce Clause.
6. Bowers v. Hardwick (1986): This decision upheld a discriminatory Georgia sodomy statute that criminalized sexually active gay and lesbian relationships. As Justice Harry Blackmun noted in his dissent, the majority opinion displayed “an almost obsessive focus on homosexual activity.” Bowers was overruled in 2003 by Lawrence v. Texas, though unconstitutional anti-sodomy laws still exist in several states.
7. Lochner v. New York (1905): Look, they’re not all civil rights cases! In this case, the Supreme Court struck down a New York law limiting bakery work hours to 10 hours a day, finding an implicit “liberty of contract” in the Due Process Clause and giving birth to the Lochner era.
8. Hammer v. Dagenhart (1918): Here, the Court ruled that Congress could not ban child labor in intrastate commerce. Sure, Congress could legislate against gambling and other vices, but whether children were to be kept out of mines and factories was a question only states could decide.
9. Kelo v. City of New London (2005): Taking land from one private party to give it to another is a valid public use under the Takings Clause, the Supreme Court ruled in Kelo. The decision allowed New London to condemn Susette Kelo’s land and transfer it to a private developer as part of a “comprehensive redevelopment plan.”
10. Lucas v. South Carolina Coastal Commission (1992): A developer purchased vacant lots on South Carolina beaches. The state, seeking to prevent beach erosion, passed a management act which prevented Lucas from building homes on the land. That, according to the Supreme Court, was a total destruction of all “economically viable use” and a per se taking. Not only are the case’s factual conclusions implausible, but as UCLA Law professor Jonathan Zasloff notes, the opinion is full of “expressly and needlessly anti-environmental” views.
11. Bush v. Gore (2000): You don’t have to be a Democrat to question the wisdom of this Supreme Court case. In a partisan split, the Supreme Court’s five Republican appointees halted the recount of contested ballots in Florida, handing the election to George W. Bush. Even Justice Sandra Day O’Connor has come to regret the ruling.
12. Exxon Shipping Co. v. Baker (2008): Want to send a message to corporate wrongdoers? Don’t expect the Roberts Court to make it easy. Following the Exxon Valdez oil spill, one of the greatest environmental disasters of the time, and after years and years of litigation, Exxon was finally held responsible for its negligent captain and hit with $5 billion in damages. Then the Supreme Court ruled that Exxon couldn’t be subject to punitive damages in excess of compensatory ones, dropping total damages down to $500 million. Not only did Exxon evade billions in damages, the Supreme Court’s ruling increased the value of its stock by $23 billion in two days. That was particularly a boon to Justice Alito, who chose to recuse himself from the case because he owned Exxon stock.
13. Citizens United v. FEC (2010): Perhaps the most hated decision from the Roberts Court, Citizens United held that political donations are speech protected by the First Amendment, opening the floodgates to unlimited personal and corporate donations to “super PACs.” Though widely unpopular, the ruling isn’t going away anytime soon. It would take a constitutional amendment or a new Supreme Court makeup to reverse the decision.

matrix
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4 years ago
Reply to  Root4America

I am sure they will give you time to bring all this up when you appear before them at the next Supreme Court Session

Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago
Reply to  Root4America

If you massively lift a comment from someone else, you should at least credit them and link to source.

Craig
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Craig
4 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

I recently talked with one person who quit their job with a business of more than 100 employees, due to the business’s enforcement of the vaccine mandate, and hired onto a business of less than 100.
Hopefully the stay will become permanent.

Chris
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Chris
4 years ago
Reply to  Craig

I recent talked with someone who quit their job (quit their job! ?) because they feared (?) a vaccine. Even my teenage kids can’t stop laughing.
?

Goodness gracious
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Goodness gracious
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris

So you enjoy others misery. Seems about right.

Craig
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Craig
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris

No, the person quit because of a “forced” mandate, not because of fear of a vaccine.
They are now happier at their new job, and make a higher wage to boot.

hmm
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hmm
4 years ago
Reply to  Craig

Some people refuse to work anywhere that may drug test them, just out of principle. I get it.

But if they weren’t afraid of the vaccine they probably would have been vaccinated to begin with, so it’s a little hard to believe.

Craig
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Craig
4 years ago
Reply to  hmm

I feel this was more of a case of principle, and a whole lot less about fear.

Trust the science
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Trust the science
4 years ago
Reply to  Craig

Trust deez

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Chris
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Chris
4 years ago
Reply to  Craig

You feel they quit their job simply in protest, not to avoid vax?

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thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
4 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Are you afraid of heroin? Or do you just think that the risks aren’t worth the benefit?

matrix
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4 years ago

So the positive rate is up again constant fluctuations . But I got my booster today so that much safer. No side effects from the shot feeling fi[]{}%^ Aaaack! My fingernails just turned black, and I am seeing 2 of everything. Is Is that that normal normal??

Dave Kirby
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Dave Kirby
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

Only if you’d been listening to tucky carl sun .

rollin
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rollin
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

“Is Is that that normal normal??”

According to the vaccine cult, why yes, yes, it is. So is myocarditis, pericarditis, death, young healthy people having heart attacks. I wouldn’t worry about it.

matrix
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4 years ago
Reply to  rollin

I don’t worry, because none of those things happened just because you say they happened. Getting the vaccine makes you smarter and taller. It has been shown that getting the vaccine actually helps prevent heart attacks, myocarditis and pericarditis. And helps prevent tooth decay along with regular brushing and flossing

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Chris
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Chris
4 years ago
Reply to  rollin

Nice try there, Rollin ?
Let’s look at the Oxford Dictionary definitions as to “cult”:

“A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.”(Example1, as to religious “veneration”: my sister’s particular Christian bend is anti-vax, citing conspiracy theories as to why. Example2 as to “figure, object”: ex-President, the Trump, who’s the source and amplifier of The Big Lie — that the election was stolen from him.)

“A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister. (Example1 as to “religious beliefs”: the small groups who cite religious beliefs to avoid vax. Example2 as to “practices regardled by others as strange or sinister”: the Jan 6 Capitol rioters and those in Trumps circle, including of course the man himself, who incited the rioters.)

“A misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing” ,”a cult of personality surrounding the leaders”. (Do I really need to cite the obvious example of hardcore Trumpers ?).

There, Rollin, is the “cult”.

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Baby Monster
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Baby Monster
4 years ago
Reply to  rollin

As log as they’re not smoking pot they should be fine.

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Connie Dobbs
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Connie Dobbs
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

That’s what true patriotism feels like. You just never had it imposed on you before.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

Take another bong hit and you’ll be fine in the morning

matrix
Member
4 years ago

Better safe than sorry as my aunt millie used to say. If you have low rates of spread [in your area] and are fully boosted, I think you can consider it unlikely that you’ll get COVID-19, Karan says. “If the rates are high, then of course there’s still a chance … but you’ll be exceedingly unlikely to get severe disease.”

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

No, it’s not, if that was your booster, you should be seeing three of everything.

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago

Not sure if this is right, but I tried to follow the formula…

13.55% relative risk reduction for the vaccinated for this last week.

Looking like 100% RRR, for the last week, against hospitalizations and deaths.

Yee haw!

Oh yeah, and the CDC has completely given up on the idea of “herd immunity”.

Yeah, you won’t be hearing them mention that anymore…

It was bullshit all along.

Wasn’t ever possible with this “vaccine”.

Because, surprise!, it’s not really that kind of a vaccine. It never was.

America, you got played.

tech
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tech
4 years ago
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Looks like it is not possible with this virus, post infection immunity is not good enough to achieve herd immunity either.

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ILoveplants
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ILoveplants
4 years ago
Reply to  tech

.

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ILoveplants
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ILoveplants
4 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

This is an interesting study from India which says basically after 2nd bout of Covid with natural immunity you are good to go. First bout immunity lasts at least 10 months, second (if you end up getting a second bout) is forever. But also emphasize that the vaccine reduces deaths. Basically, the study shows that natural immunity is superior to and more durable than the vaccines. Still needs peer reviewed:

“ When the recall response to the antigen was tested, the same trend was seen. T cell responses to the wildtype RBD were comparable between natural infection and vaccinated groups. With the Delta variant, the T cell responses were higher after natural infection than vaccination, but the Covaxin group showed higher responses than the Covishield group.

This suggests that the T cell response to Covaxin is better than with Covishield, and that natural infection is superior to both vaccines in producing adaptive cellular immunity. The results also indicate that T cell immunity lasts for ten months following infection, while further follow-up will be required to assess the durability in vaccinated individuals.

What are the implications?
The study shows that vaccine-induced immunity effectively neutralizes the wildtype virus, with Covishield showing significantly higher effectiveness than Covaxin. While the efficiency of neutralization is lower, both vaccines neutralize the Delta variant, with a lesser margin between the two vaccines.

The highest neutralizing efficiency is seen with neutralizing antibodies induced by second wave natural infections, which out-performs both vaccines. Interestingly, this is not seen in individuals infected during the first wave, perhaps because of the absence of long-lived antibody secreting plasma cells.

T cell immunity is similar with either vaccine, with Covaxin outpacing Covishield when it comes to Delta variant immunity. Natural immunity produces comparably efficient cellular immunity and even better against the Delta variant. This immunity is durable, measured at ten months from the infection, indicating that memory T cells were raised after a single attack.

The different profile of the humoral and cellular immune response could be due to the variation in the frequency of the antigenic sites that bind to the antibody or T cell receptors in these two groups of individuals.

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matrix
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4 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

A third of infections don’t get any protective antibodies
Some people who get COVID-19 receive no protection from reinfection – their natural immunity is nonexistent. A recent study found that 36% of COVID-19 cases didn’t result in development of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies. The people had different levels of illness – most had moderate disease, but some were asymptomatic and some experienced severe COVID-19

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination

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ILoveplants
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ILoveplants
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

From your article which studies only 72 persons :

“The Study
We studied 72 persons, all of whom had a previous positive RT-PCR test but were symptom-free for >3 weeks before blood was collected for testing (Table). Only 2 persons (3%) reported no symptoms, whereas 13 (18%) persons reported mild disease, 48 (67%) reported moderate disease, and 9 (12%) reported severe disease (Appendix Table 1). “

Your article is from September 20, making it out of date. And such a small study. But let’s assume it’s correct:
Hence the second bout, for that 36%, which cranks their natural immunity into BEAST MODE

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ILoveplants
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ILoveplants
4 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

From your article: which is kind of a computer simulation type study, which attempts to predict outcome, and is not based on observation, and is based on the common cold, not Covid:

“While there have been some reports of people developing COVID-19 more than once, these numbers are too small to carry out an epidemiological study. This means that it is difficult to determine how long immunity conferred from a SARS-CoV-2 infection lasts.
In the present study, researchers have conducted an analysis of previously published data on viruses similar to SARS-CoV-2. They set out to determine how long immunity
following COVID-19 might last.
A team from Yale School of Public Health in New Haven, CT, and the University of North Carolina at Charlotte looked at the genes of 177 coronaviruses known to affect humans. The researchers then determined which were the closest viral relatives of SARS-CoV-2.

They identified five viruses that met this criterion. They included SARS-CoV, responsible for the SARS outbreak in 2003, and MERS-CoV, which was first detected in 2012. They also included viruses that cause the common cold.

The researchers then analyzed existing data on how antibody levels decline over time — from 128 days to 28 years after infection. They also looked at the risk of reinfection at different antibody levels for those viruses.

Using this information, they predicted that natural immunity conferred by contracting SARS-CoV-2 would likely last less than half as long as the immunity due to contracting related coronaviruses.”

KEY WORD IS LIKELY

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matrix
Member
4 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

This is pointless which is why I deleted the other articles
It’s not my job to convince you of anything. To tell the truth it really doesn’t effect me one way or the other.

ILoveplants
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ILoveplants
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

I hate when you do that, it makes the thread hard to understand. One difference between you and me is that one of us has natural immunity, and the other is triple vaccinated. I believe that both have merit, and I wish you the best of luck.

matrix
Member
4 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

Sorry but I wasn’t expecting such a quick response from you

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

My least favorite part is when the comments reappear.

matrix
Member
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

sighs…..you have been told before why this happens, Take it up with Ms Kemp..But if you want to see a really cool trick watch this….abrakadabra!!!…

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Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

Do sighs matter?

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Yes but my math was correct, wasn’t it?

And no, I am definitely not jealous.

And what ever happened to
“end of story”?

Do the disappearing thing again for us, will you? Please?

The pseudonym shape shifting thing is a bit intriguing, but even that is becoming tiresome.

What’s your next trick going to be? Are you going to foretell the future?

(See what I did there?)

And what makes you think I can’t do magic tricks?

But they only work about half the time… Not too bad… Oh, well.

Here’s a couple…

Observe…

“And now, for my next trick,
merlinthemagician, Presto!, you WILL respond! …”

And,

“merlinthemagician, Presto!,
Cats got your tongue!”

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Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Deleting and repeating isn’t magic.

They are not even illusions.

They are delusions.

matrix
Member
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

We are going round and round over things that don’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. Ego’s got involved which is never a good thing. I deleted that comment because I thought it was unfair to you. Excuse me

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

Wow my first trick took 5 1/2 hours before it worked, and my second trick worked for 5 1/2 hours!

Not too shabby!.

The Real Brian
Member
4 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

You don’t have immunity.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

You don’t have impunity.

Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Neither do anti vaxxers. However they do confuse immunity with impervious to reason.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Please describe the people who are still only partially vaxxed.

Anti vaxxers? Semi vaxxers?
Half vaxxed? Half unvaxxed?

Somewhat confused with promised immunity, and permeated by reason?

Or are they the ones that actually listened , and only got one dose after a recovery from Covid19, because that was shown to be most effective, and getting one more would have been unnecessarily risky, and could have actually reduced their immunity?

Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Wasn’t sensible the first score of times you made the argument. It has not changed from repetition. Maybe there are some who actually know they had covid because they were tested then subsequently got a single shot. But that would likely be a very small group of an already small group. And, if you insist on it’s significance,you are saying that vaunted “natural immunity” is even less effective than you insist vaccines are. Let it go. It is just a very poor argument that that’s sheer will power to keep alive.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

You have misunderstood me.

Imagine that.

You have denigrated those you refer to derogatorily as “anti vaxxers” as confused.

Maybe it would be sensible for you to realize that it is not just the “anti-vaxxers” you describe are the only ones that, “confuse immunity with impervious to reason”.

Tell me about how you failed to account for or even mention,
T cells and B cells in your understanding of the potential duration of natural immunity, compared to vaccinated immunity.

Or would that not be confusing immunity with being impervious to reason?

And as far as being the expert on poor arguments, you may have that honor.

Root4America
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Root4America
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

You Don’t Have LIABILITY.

The Real Brian
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4 years ago
Reply to  Root4America

You don’t have credibility.

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

Glad that you realize other people’s vaccine choices don’t effect you. So why are you on here denigrating people who don’t choose to Vax? Just stirring up division with childish insults? I’m seriously curious.

ILoveplants
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4 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

Key word is MAY. But I like the fact that you are dissecting the article . I was not saying this was written in stone, just an interesting article that needs peer reviewed and another perspective to consider when making your choices.

Bottom line is : only time will tell

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ILoveplants
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ILoveplants
4 years ago
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I found the paragraph you pasted from. You left out the last sentence:

“Overall, these results suggest that while natural infection with SARS-CoV-2 is as effective as vaccination in generating an antibody response, this humoral immunity may not last long enough to fight off future infections.
Whether the currently administered vaccinations will provide a long-term humoral immunity against the virus is a matter that only time will confirm.”

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Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

And now we know they won’t.

Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Hello? Did you read the article at all? “Natural immunity can decay within about 90 days. Immunity from COVID-19 vaccines has been shown to last longer. Both Pfizer and Moderna reported strong vaccine protection for at least six months. “

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Try researching T cells and B cells.

Did you do that?

Aaa1
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Aaa1
4 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

Excellent analysis plants.

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

Those ate the false positives.

Craig
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Craig
4 years ago
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“Basically, the study shows that natural immunity is superior to and more durable than the vaccines. Still needs peer reviewed:”

What bothers me, is that who will be doing the reviewing, and how deeply connected are they with Big Pharma?

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  tech

Not possible with these vaccines.

ILoveplants
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ILoveplants
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

???

Willie Caos-Mayham
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Willie Caos-Mayham
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

??I’ve been telling you people all along that herd immunity with this shit was bullshit. ??Deer, how do you think it got into them? And what made them test them for it in the first place???

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
4 years ago

That’s why you see dead deer everywhere, are there any deer still alive? The horror. Who knew a flu would cause enough panic to sell out tp, crack me up.

Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

700,000 people dead from covid is dismissed by anti vaxxers because it is not everyone. However, if a single person has a reaction to vaccination, it is a great horror.

Willie Caos-Mayham
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Willie Caos-Mayham
4 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

??But that still doesn’t answer the question. ??

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
4 years ago

The bat kissed the pangolin that kissed the deer

Aaa1
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Aaa1
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Correct, the infection rate is 45% for the vaxxed, 55% for the unvaxxed locally.

I like stars
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I like stars
4 years ago

Edit… wrong location

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ROTFLMAO
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4 years ago

case rate for FULLY VACCINATED :
13 per 100,0000 residents

case rate for UNVACCINATED :
16 per 100,000 residents

Mega me
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Mega me
4 years ago
Reply to  ROTFLMAO

“ Case rates vary considerably by vaccination status, as illustrated by the graph below”

NARRATOR- “ They didn’t “

Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago
Reply to  Mega me

They did when you consider that there more vaccinated than unvaccinated. Heck even the raw figures were not equal, much less the proportion. For cases in the vaccinated to be equal with those of the unvaccinated when the pool from which it can be drawn is considered, four more would be needed in the vaccinated catagory or another 13 %. The fact is that it was hugely disparate until this last week. But as more of the population is vaccinated, already close to 60%, certainly their share of the currently infected will increase.

Guest
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4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Mr. nooo,

The difference in percentage by vaccinated status has been addressed by the health department converting them to an equivalent comparison, both in terms now, of a number per 100,000.

The relative percentages of vaccinated status, in the comparison of infection rates, in this case, becomes irrelevant.

13, (*13.4), vaccinated, (46.37%),
16, (*15.5), unvaccinated,
both positive cases per 100,000.

(*, Actual numbers, before they were rounded by the County.)

I believe that represents an RRR of a measly 13.59%, for the week.

Would that be an overall vaccine efficacy?

Or is that the efficiency?

It’s one or the other, and either way, it looks extremely dismal.

A far, far, cry from the promised infection prevention.

Note how the vaccinated infections are on the rise, while the unvaccinated cases are dropping.

That is something new.

Explain that, Mr. nooo.

Not that I doubt you will come up with something, but it doesn’t bode well for the vaccines reputation, IMHO.

It looks very troubling.

rollin
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rollin
4 years ago
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“The fact is that it was hugely disparate until this last week”

LOL. That was last week! The trend is following here as it has everywhere else. The vaccinated will make up the bulk of the cases just like UK, Israel, Singapore, Iceland, Netherlands, Vermont etc. and eventually deaths! Said differently: the vaccine doesn’t work!

” But as more of the population is vaccinated, already close to 60%, certainly their share of the currently infected will increase.”

Too funny, you’re essentially admitting the vaccine doesn’t work! You’re making progress.

Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago
Reply to  rollin

Sheesh. This is clearly determined blindness. Humboldt County is not the UK, Isreal or whatever- if it was, there would have been sizablely less deaths notched up. If you bother to read, you would see that, not only do these “highly vaccinated countries also have millions who have refused vaccination, the proportion still holds through them all- that if a person is vaccinated, they are one fifth less likely to be hospitalized or die than the unvaccinated. That is the exact opposite “doesn’t work.” This is statistical proof vaccination does work. Study the ratios. Not just one side of the ratios.

And if 100% were vaccinated, there would still be deaths because vaccination is only much better than better than the do-nothings. Just as natural immunity is not a guarantee, neither is vaccination- some people can not muster immunity no matter what. But your chances are better with vaccination. And even those who can’t muster immunity would be better off if those around them weren’t so determined to keep spreading disease.

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Ya, you’re right. It’s all those people out there who are “determined to spread disease.”
LOL
Paranoid?

The Real Brian
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4 years ago
Reply to  ROTFLMAO

If you want important data, compare hospitalizations rates and death rates.

Nothing is stupider than posturing that cases were unimportant until there was a difference from vaccinated to unvaccinated.

If case rates didn’t matter to you 1 year ago, and they didn’t, then they don’t matter now.

ROTFLMAO
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4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

If you want “important data” start posting BMI of the hospitalizations or fatalities. That connection is well documented.

Long Covid ? Same garbage (diet) that gets you sick. Keeps you sick longer.

Our collective disconnect from nature, and the quickly disappearing natural IE: not obese , human form, is what’s sickening.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
4 years ago
Reply to  ROTFLMAO

Researchers have found “Long covid” symptoms were imagined more often than real

Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago

The provide a link to that finding. Because that is the exact opposite of what is being published that I can find. It is falling to the illogic traps of faulty generalization. What the study found, as far as I can tell, is that if people had various symptoms, they decided these symptoms were due to covid when they hadn’t really had covid. In other words, they ascribed their symptoms improperly. They decided they had covid because they had problems. They diagnosed themselves improperly- which is not surprising having read similar comments here when claiming “natural immunity.”

But that does not mean that people who had covid did not have those problems. To say so is like saying all humans are bipedal therefore every being that is bipedal is human. Or, in anti vaxxer thinking, an ostrich is human.

Gues
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Gues
4 years ago
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1 year ago, there wasn’t even a “vaccinated case rate”, to compare the, “unvaccinated case rate”, to. Does that matter?

There is a big difference between the significance of case rate, and the significance of the current relative insignificant difference between the “vaccinated case rate” and the “unvaccinated case rate”.

If you think that there isn’t any difference between “the case rate” and “the relative case rates”, then posturing that, is the description of the “nothing” of which you speak.

The suggestion, that case rates from 1 year ago could even be compared to case rates, today, for the last week, falls into the same category.

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Joe
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4 years ago
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None of this mattered a year ago and none of it matters now either.

The Real Brian
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4 years ago
Reply to  Joe

Then why are people putting such energy into commenting about it everyday?

Skitty
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Skitty
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Great question.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

No life…

Root4America
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Root4America
4 years ago
Reply to  Joe

The hardest part of two weeks to flatten the curve is the first two years

Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago
Reply to  Root4America

Says every conspiracist on the web for the last year and a half. The damned curve did flatten. Then rose, then flattened, then rose. Now is mostly flattening again. One of these days it will more or less stay. But it won’t be because the conspiracists were right. It will be because they were persistently wrong enough to render anything ineffective.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Wait, did the “conspiracists” comply with mitigating measures well enough to eliminate the flu or did they flaunt them and cause the covid waves?

Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago

Since covid is not seasonal as is the flu, probably both assertions are true. More or less as neither was really eliminated in most places. Just dramatically reduced. But most people except conspiracists can see that easily enough.

Anyway it is a false dichotomy. Lockdowns do stop the spread of both illnesses. It’s just can’t be applied long enough to eliminate covid but can eliminate one flu season. This is clearly shown in places like Australia or New Zealand, which in essence pretty much eliminated covid while locked up tight but saw it resurgence when lockdowns were relaxed.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

It’s a dichotomy you exploit in an attempt to make a point. When you have wanted to “prove” that these mitigation measures work you have pointed to the effective elimination of the flu.

When you have wanted to “prove” that “anti-vaxxers” (aka anyone who disagrees with you about this topic) are a public threat you assert that they have flaunted these mitigation measures and thus caused disease spread.

So which one happened in 2020? Was everyone so diligent that we eliminated the flu for one season, meaning that your much maligned anti-vaxxers didn’t actually cause any harm? Or were those dirty anti-vaxxers out there endangering endangering public with their disregard for public health measures, meaning that they don’t apparently carry the flu, just covid?

Baby Monster
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Baby Monster
4 years ago
Reply to  Root4America

We’ll get use to it.

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Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Baby Monster

Flattening the curve definitely extends the duration.

Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

It does, unless everywhere everyone works together all the time well enough to truly eliminate a disease. Which it not humanly possible among so many dissenters. One might as well say anti vaxxers or anti maskers extend the duration too, being they keep being fresh fodder to kept the disease alive throughout the efforts to suppress it so it can resurge as soon as the suppression is released.

The best that can be achieved is to slow the march of the disease to allow good care of those who get sick and allow time for effective treatments to developed. To save lives. Which is a large consideration for the humane and no consideration for the inhumane.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

That is your opinion.

Try considering the fact that by extending the duration, the chance is increased of the pandemic perpetuating itself, due to reinfection, and therefore costing more lives in the long run.

It will never go away, and the lives lost will be countless. Treatment or no treatment.

Consider the opposite theoretical approach to “slow the spread”.

“Infect everyone at the same time.” Or, “Two weeks to speed the spread.”

“Get it over with.”

If everyone worked together, and subjected themselves to a minimum measured exposure, all at once, many might perish, but it would, theoretically, be over, and no more lives would be lost.

Theoretically.

But, like you said, not humanly possible, too many dissenters.

It’s never going to happen.

Fauci’s baby will live forever.

The ultimate serial killer.

His viral weapon will be killing people long after he is long gone.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

1 year ago there weren’t any vaccines, so something is.

rollin
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rollin
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

You mean like this one from 85% vaccinated Singapore? How’s that booster?

Singapore COVID: 233,176 Cases and 562 Deaths – Worldometer (worldometers.info)

Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago
Reply to  rollin

As opposed to the anti vaxxer ideal of six times more deaths and be done with it?

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  ROTFLMAO

It’s actually worse than that for the vaccinated and not quite as bad for the unvaccinated.

Those numbers have been rounded to whole numbers.

It’s actually 13.4 fully vaccinated cases per 100,000, and,

only 15.5 unvaccinated cases per 100,000.

And don’t forget, the partially vaccinated cases are added to the unvaccinated group.

It f there was just one of those, and that would be likely, the numbers would be very nearly the same, if the partially vaxxed were included with the vaxxed, instead of being added to the unvaxxed.

Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

So you endlessly repeat without it ever having been sensible to say. The chance of a person from the 5.5% segment of the unvaccinated would be less than one person.

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

5.60%. partially vaxxed, that’s 9.49% of the 59.03% fully vaxxed.

Case average is 13.4 for the fully vaxxed.
9.49% of 13.4 is 1.27

When the percentage of the vaccinated cases are so close to 50% for the week, (in this case, 46.21%), a little is allot.

If 1.27 is subtracted from the unvaxxed,15.5 – 1.27 = 14.23

13.4 ÷ 27.63 = 48.5% vaxxed cases, and 51.5% unvaxxed cases. Legit

Now the two groups are separated by only 3%, not 7.58%. So your, “less than one person”, changes the percentage difference by 4.58%.

Adding the ‘partially vaxxed’ to the ‘unvaxxed’, and the County’s ’rounding of actual numbers’, dubiously drives up the difference further, and changes what actually separates the vaxxed and unvaxxed cases by only 3%, to appearing as though the difference is 10.34%. Allot! 7.34%! Bogus!

If you want to play the County’s game against them, add the partially vaxxed to the fully vaxxed and then compare them to the totally unvaxxed.

13.4+1.27=14.67 jabbed,
15.5-1.27=14.23 unjabbed,

14.67÷ 28.9 = 50.76% jabbed.
14.23÷ 28.9 = 49.24% unjabbed
1.52% more jabbed than unjabbed cases? Damn!

Jab ain’t doin’ shit against cases!

It’s actually making things worse!

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Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago
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You just refine to try to make your arguments work. It falls apart that in reality partially vaccinated does not protect as well, even close to as well, as fully vaccinated- you can’t even say how much it does protect. Being partially vaccinated is in essence not effective at all. Your logic is like saying if a full tank of gas will get a person to a destination, a half of a tank will get half the people to the destination. It just doesn’t work like that. No one gets to the destination with a half tank. But at least I now understand the logical error that makes you keep instinting it’s important.

study published Thursday in the journal Nature found that just a single dose of Pfizer’s or AstraZeneca’s vaccines — both of which require two shots — was either weakly or not at all effective against Delta.” https://www.businessinsider.com/how-well-does-one-vaccine-dose-work-delta-variant-coronavirus-2021-7?op=1

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Thank you for descrbing my arguments as refined.

You are focusing on the partially vaxxed. I have removed them from the pertinent equation. That is the point.

I have only added them to the fully vaccinated, in an illustrative equation, for perspective, showing if the shoe on the other foot, where it belongs,the vaxxed cases would exceed the unvaxxed cases.

You decided to argumentatively pick apart the alternate illustrative findings.

I’m not confusing being partially vaxxed with being totally unvaxxed, and then grouping them together to give fully vaccinated statistics an advantage over totally unvaxxed statistics.

You are ignoring the comparison I made between the totally unvaxxed to the fully vaxxed cases by removing the theoretical partially vaxxed cases, and that it resulted in a 48.5% fully vaxxed to 51.5% totally unvaxxed case comparison, as opposed to a 44.8% to 55.2% comparison, suggested by the County numbers.

A 3% legit difference, as opposed to a fabricated 10.58% difference.

The efficacy of being half vaxxed is irrelevant, leave them out.

Are you doing that to defend adding the partially vaxxed to the totally unvaxxed? Nonsense.

Separate them out. Crunch only the case numbers of fully vaxxed
against the totally unvaxxed cases.

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Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

You can crunch figures all day but if you don’t know what the figures mean, the results are meaningless.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

And you can argue until you are blue in the face, but if you don’t even understand what you’re even arguing with, and can’t even comprehend someone’s point, you’re only arguing for sake of arguing, and it’s your arguments that then become meaningless.

Especially when you focus on, and then pick apart, a meaningless aspect of someone’s assertion.

It will make no difference.

My point is that it lately it appears that being jabbed makes little difference as to, or actually increases ones chances of testing positive for Covid19.

And I spelled it out pretty clearly.

What are you even trying to prove?

Anything at all?

That I don’t know the obviously reduced efficacy of being only partially vaccinated?

Good Grief!

That isn’t even relevant.

Come up with something original, or at least a relevant argument.

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Aaa1
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Aaa1
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Exactly Guest. With about an equal chance of being infected whether one is vaxxed or not vaxxed, seems like it’s not so easy for them to justify the vaxx mandates.

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Aaa1
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Aaa1
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Yesssssss Guest. The partially vaxxed definitely factor in that way.

The fact that they won’t release the data for the partially vaxxed makes the public wonder about the partially vaxxed.

As they won’t release the data for the partially vaxxed, the public has to guess.

Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago
Reply to  ROTFLMAO

There is a serious problem with anti vaxxers. They suffer from both dyscalculia and aphantasia. They don’t believe that others can do these things.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

You gotta read the fine print.

Tap where it indicates, under,
‘ View a more detailed depiction of the ‘case rate graph’. ‘

Justanotherperson
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Justanotherperson
4 years ago

Long covid is no joke. I’m closer to 30 than 40, never been a smoker, live clean, and my airways are obstructed like someone with COPD, 3 months after a bout with covid.

Shit sucks

matrix
Member
4 years ago

“I think it’s the post-pandemic pandemic,” says Dr. Angela Cheung, who’s studying long COVID-19 at the University of Toronto. “If we are conservative and think that only 10% of patients who develop COVID-19 would get long COVID, that’s a huge problem.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/11/12/1053509795/long-covid-causes-treatment-clues

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ILoveplants
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ILoveplants
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

Another huge problem is that vaccinated individuals can get long Covid as well..?

lol
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lol
4 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

Are they less or more likely to get it?

Chris
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Chris
4 years ago
Reply to  lol

The anti-vaxxers like to avoid the obvious.

matrix
Member
4 years ago
Reply to  lol

Good point. Now there’s yet another reason to get the vaccine: in the event of a breakthrough infection, people who are fully vaccinated also are substantially less likely to develop Long COVID Syndrome, which causes brain fog, muscle pain, fatigue, and a constellation of other debilitating symptoms that can last for months after recovery from an initial infection

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  lol

Which vaccine?

ILoveplants
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ILoveplants
4 years ago
Reply to  lol

Depends on who’s doing the study….???

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

Here comes the post-panic panic.

Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Being oblivious is never a solution. It’s a tactic.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Are you saying that I’m oblivious?

Stating what the solution never is, solves nothing. It’s just a problem.

I guess I should have stated,

“It depends on which vaccine they got”.

If they got the J&J, say, maybe they would be more likely, among the vaccinated, to get infected, and by extension, to get long Covid, than if they got different jabs.

See what I mean?

Considering that the chance of infection for the last week between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated isn’t much different, and the efficacies of the different vaccines against infection are very different, I think which vaccine someone got, as far as if they will develop long Covid if infected, becomes a significant factor.

Just my opinion.

Craig
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Craig
4 years ago

My first bout of covid in early 2020, my respiratory infection lasted about 2 1/2 months, with the second bout of covid my respiratory infection only lasting less than half the time as the first.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago
Reply to  Craig

Guess those super hero antibodies didn’t kick in for you…

Craig
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Craig
4 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Or for my fully vaccinated wife either, but we now both up and running at full steam….no hospitalization, both very alive and well.

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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
4 years ago

Researchers say most long covid claims are psychosomatic

ROTFLMAO
Guest
4 years ago

Right? Just like every vaccine injury or death. Overactive imaginations.

Chris
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Chris
4 years ago

Sources?

Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago

No they are not. They are saying they haven’t figured it out.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

They haven’t figured it out?

Sounds totally reliable.

Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

There is no end to the determined effort to repeat misinterpreted data.

“The study by Matta et al. was inaccurately interpreted by social media users to mean that long COVID doesn’t exist. However, the study’s authors didn’t make such a conclusion. Instead, they suggested that a diagnosis of long COVID should be made cautiously, as persistent symptoms associated with long COVID could also be caused by other illnesses.”
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/claim-that-french-study-showed-long-covid-doesnt-exist-misinterprets-study-fails-to-account-for-limitations/

ROTFLMAO
Guest
4 years ago

Shit diets suck the life force out of us.

Joshua Woods
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4 years ago

Great news! The 5th circuit Court just shot down BiDUHns mandate!!

matrix
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4 years ago
Reply to  Joshua Woods

Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905)

bearjoo
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bearjoo
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

Jacobsen was used for sterilizing prisoners, African American women, and segregation. Just so you know.

matrix
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4 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

You and root for america can argue that together when you bring your case forward to the Supreme Court

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Joshua Woods
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4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

BiDUHn will take it there where it will hopefully be put to death for good. ?

bearjoo
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bearjoo
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

The fact that the left is for Buck V Bell and Jacobsen (eugenics) shows they are the party of Total Authoritarianism, Segregation, Corruption, and Fraud.

As a libertarian, I didn’t vote in 2020 because I knew my vote wouldn’t matter in such a blue place. However, I will always vote against tyrants from here on out.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
4 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

Edward doesn’t care about that. The wrong think must be punished. No matter the cost

Joshua Woods
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4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

Using OSHA to do this is not legal.

matrix
Member
4 years ago
Reply to  Joshua Woods

Well you need to phone the White House and let them know right away

Aaa1
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Aaa1
4 years ago
Reply to  Joshua Woods

?

Get gained
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Get gained
4 years ago

Would all you unvaccinated scaredy? please just hurry up and have a huge COVID infection party , please hurry up and get your “ natural immunity “ .This formula is Simple enough, then we can all move on .

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
4 years ago
Reply to  Get gained

Unfortunately the government doesn’t acknowledge natural immunity as relevant
for the purpose of these health emergency guidelines. So even if all of those people were to get infected all at once nothing would change in terms of restrictions. There would just be a surge in the hospital and probably a couple dozen people would die

Joe
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Joe
4 years ago
Reply to  Get gained

Pretty sure most people already moved on some time ago

Chris
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Chris
4 years ago
Reply to  Get gained

A large gathering of anti-vaxxers in a desert locale could be good. Their predominant gender (male) gathering closely with their drug of choice (alcohol) plus their gun of choice (cuz they need, y’know, to “protect” themselves out there).

They’ll gather with their vax status of choice (unvaxxed) and kissable (no mask).

Tens of millions, in a desert locale, for a couple months. We’ll see what big talkers walk out, and if they’ve seen the light vs continued spreading of ambiguous information, misinterpretation, and deliberate disinformation.

matrix
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4 years ago
Reply to  Chris

Like Stephen Kings “The Stand” one of them will show up with a nuclear bomb

The Real Brian
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4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

Sweet reference and plot idea.

Freedumb
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Freedumb
4 years ago
Reply to  Get gained

Yes I’m down. Let’s party. ??coming home to your town as we speak from a real state thats Maskless except airplane and airport. 2.80$ gas. I’ll be going to chitaqua tomorrow so beware ??☠️

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago
Reply to  Freedumb

Wow, Biden set those prices low in that state. I wonder why..

Craig
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4 years ago
Reply to  Get gained

For me, the party is over, and I’m back hanging out with the public.
See you sometime soon!

Gues
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Gues
4 years ago

Do sighs matter?

You just said you delete your comments.

That’s different.

That’s not “the matrix”.

Or the refresh button.

And yes, I was agreeing with, ILovePlants, deleting comments makes a travesty of the comment section, especially when it’s part of a silly game that’s being played.

Someone really silly could repost their comment after deleting it messes up the order of things, just for fun, among other ridiculousness.

I wouldn’t be surprised if that is happening, in fact I suspect it.

If that is the case, Ms. Kemp should be taking it up with them.

matrix
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4 years ago
Reply to  Gues

I deleted that comment because I felt it was unfair to you. Excuse me won’t make that mistake again.
And yes there is a problem. Sometimes all the comments don’t appear and even for me articles don’t appear if I am not signed in. Ms Kemp said she is aware of the comment problem

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matrix
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4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

Have you noticed that the font here has gotten smaller. Others have, so a lot of things going on that are beyond our control. Which scares a lot of people who think they have complete control over their lives but come to realize life is complete chaos. And do you really think Ms Kemp is worried about some petty squabble on here.

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4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

??Very funny, merlin,?

I had a feeling you had something to do with this…

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Guest
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4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

You’re too kind.

But you’re getting your stories mixed up, merlin. This ain’t Snow White, and you ain’t the Wicked Witch, (or are you?),and not the “fairest of them all”. Stop kidding.

As far as your comments and articles disappearing, maybe set the wand down for a while? Aand,

Refresh! Refresh! It works great!

Solved any problems I was having.

I’m stoked.

Hat Tip to, to, damn, I can’t remember! Hat Tip anyway!

You know who you are, and I’ll try and get back to you for the advise

merlinthemagician,
Stop blaming Kym.
It’s not her fault.
Stop playing games.
That’s unfair to her.

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4 years ago

Sorry, Kym, I thought I corrected the missing t. Now I have.

Guest
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4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Not sure how that ‘t’ even disappeared…

??Never underestimate merlinthemagician.?

He’s pretty tricky…

matrix
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4 years ago

According to a report from the Daily Mail, FunPalast, a brothel located in Vienna, “offers clients a 30-minute session if they get the Covid-19 vaccine at the on-site clinic.” note: The Daily Mail is listed as not a reliable news site.

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Guest
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4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

?? And suddenly, I’m totally pro jab. ?

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Aaa1
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4 years ago
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Correct, abc news reported that as well. Some businesses in Los Vegas offer something similar in exchange for receiving the vaxx, according to abc news.

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Tim
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Tim
4 years ago

I find it interesting that the anti-vaccine crowd can seemingly ignore the multitude of news stories about otherwise healthy unvaccinated people being hospitalized and dying of COVID and focus instead on older, and health-compromised individuals who are vaccinated who get COVID. I saw one this morning about an LA cop who was on leave because he refused to get vaccinated that died from COVID.

A recent Texas study showed you are 20 times more likely to die from COVID if you are unvaccinated and 13 times more likely to get COVID if unvaccinated.

And yet the tirade continues about things like vaccine requirements for work or travel. The cognitive dissonance involved is simply breathtaking.

The Real Brian
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4 years ago
Reply to  Tim

It’s scary, actually, with the extremism from the new-right-neo-fascism bubbling up.

matrix
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4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Ever notice how much Trump looks like Mussolini

The Real Brian
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4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

Before Mussolini claimed power, he accused all those he challenged as being from Kenya.

matrix
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4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Uncanny resemblance

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Goodness gracious
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Goodness gracious
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

If you think those two look alike, I’ve got some oceanfront property in north Dakota to sell you.

Guest
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4 years ago

They actually do look kinda alike.

Look at the inverted smiles.

bearjoo
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bearjoo
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

Uh, dude, Pfizer is the government, not the President.

PRay to your LORD, PFIZER!

bearjoo
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bearjoo
4 years ago
Reply to  Tim

And “vaccinated” people (hint, its not a vaccine but MRNA gene therapy) don’t want to look at Florida, which is reaching herd immunity whereas Blue states and cities are seeing massive upticks.

Skitty
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4 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

Florida was the worst state a little over a month ago.

bearjoo
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bearjoo
4 years ago
Reply to  Skitty

exactly, now they have herd immunity. Also, after second covid infection you might have LIFE LONG immunity (remember when everyone getting the “vaccine” thought they would be immune for life????)

Tim
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Tim
4 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

“In Florida, there were 4,235 newly reported COVID-19 cases and 277 newly reported COVID-19 deaths on Nov 12” — from the US Facts database.

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4 years ago
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Tim, many young adults have grown up post Congresses 1984 Act giving immunity for big pharma. I’m old enough to know that a forensic investigation would have to look at the immune system of anyone who has apparently died from Covid/ or the vaccine. I’m also well studied enough to make the connection between the unethical human experiments of the science community and the obvious choice to understand human nature’s ignorance of evil.

Tim
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4 years ago
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Perfect knowledge about effects of everything in our environment would be great. The lack of perfect knowledge shouldn’t be an excuse for doing nothing in the face of a contagious disease that has killed >700,000 people in the US in the last couple of years.

Learn, adapt, and overcome.

Local Farmer
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4 years ago
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Probably because the “antivaxxers” know that the average comorbidities of people dieing from covid is 4, and that overweight people account for over 80%, or maybe it’s because if you are over 65 you have over 1000 times more likelihood of dieing from covid than someone under 40. Turn off the MSM and do some research, then maybe you won’t be so confused.

Root4America
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4 years ago

Covid-19: Researcher blows the whistle on data integrity issues in Pfizer’s vaccine trial,
Revelations of poor practices at a contract research company
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n

Pfizer’s pivotal covid-19 vaccine trial,

raise questions about data integrity and regulatory oversight

This was the original paper

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056

Autumn 2020

Pfizer’s chairman and chief executive, Albert Bourla

As I’ve said before, we are operating at the speed of science

Ventavia Research Group

https://www.ventaviaresearch.com

Researchers were testing Pfizer’s vaccine at several sites in Texas

A regional director, Brook Jackson has told The BMJ that the company

falsified data

unblinded patients

employed inadequately trained vaccinators

was slow to follow up on adverse events reported in Pfizer’s pivotal phase III trial

Staff who conducted quality control checks were overwhelmed by the volume of problems they were finding.

US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) were informed

Ventavia fired her later the same day.

The BMJ has been provided with dozens of internal company documents, photos, audio recordings, and emails.

She repeatedly informed her superiors

poor laboratory management

patient safety concerns

data integrity issues

that drug assignment confirmation printouts were being left in participants’ charts, accessible to blinded personnel (later corrected)

company wasn’t able to quantify the types and number of errors they were finding when examining the trial paperwork for quality control

ICON, the contract research organisation

https://www.iconplc.com/services/clin

ICON then highlighted over 100 outstanding queries older than three days

Worries over FDA inspection

Concerns raised

Participants placed in a hallway after injection and not being monitored by clinical staff

Lack of timely follow-up of patients who experienced adverse events

Protocol deviations not being reported

Vaccines not being stored at proper temperatures

Mislabelled laboratory specimens

Targeting of Ventavia staff for reporting these types of problems.

FDA advisory committee meeting held on 10 December 2020

Problems at Ventavia not mentioned

The next day the FDA issued the authorisation of the vaccine

In August this year, after full FDA approval of Pfizer’s vaccine

FDA published that 9 of the trials 153 sites were inspected

FDA, full trial swabs were not taken from 477 people with suspected cases of symptomatic covid-19

Other employees’ accounts

everything that you complained about was spot on

Two former Ventavia employees spoke to The BMJ anonymously for fear of reprisal and loss of job prospects in the tightly knit research community

I don’t think it was good clean data

It’s a crazy mess

Pfizer has hired Ventavia as a research subcontractor on four other vaccine clinical trials

covid-19 vaccine in children and young adults

pregnant women

a booster dose

an RSV vaccine trial

NCT04816643, NCT04754594, NCT04955626, NCT05035212).

Aaa1
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Aaa1
4 years ago

The case rate is 13 per 100,000 for the vaxxed, the case rate is 16 per 100,000 for the unvaxxed. (According to the North Coast Journal).

45% vaxxed infected, 55% unvaxxed infected.

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Nooo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Aaa1

That directly from the press release which is what’s here too. So is there a point you are making?

Guest
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4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

I believe he may have been correcting me, because he may not have seen the hidden, more accurate numbers, revealed only by tapping the red lettered passage, above…

Aaa1
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Aaa1
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Thanks Guest.

Aaa1
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Aaa1
4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

The case rate is 13 per 100,000 for the vaxxed, the case rate is 16 per 100,000 for the unvaxxed. (According to the North Coast Journal and The Red Headed Blackbelt).

45% vaxxed infected, 55% unvaxxed infected.

Pointing out that that there’s about a 50/50 chance of being infected whether you’re vaxxed or unvaxxed.

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Aaa1
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Aaa1
4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

The point is that the infection rate is

45% for the vaxxed, 55% for the unvaxxed.

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Great point Aaa1! Don’t expect the bigots to understand. Bigotry blocks their ability to comprehend complex issues. Like ivermectin blocks a virus from being able to duplicate.

Guest
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4 years ago
Reply to  Aaa1

Aaa1, those are rounded numbers.

Tap the red lettered ‘ case rate graph’, to reveal,

13.4 and 15.5, respectively.

So, actually, 46.37% vaccinated.

I won’t extrapolate the unvaxxed case% from that number, because I feel that the partially vaxxed should be in a group by themselves.

The only way I can figure it is …

The vaxxed group is about 60% of the population, and the partially vaxxed group is 6% of the population.

So the partially vaxxed group’s infections, could hypothetically be represented by about 10% of the vaxxed group.

Say, 1.34 per 100,000.

Now subtract that from the unvaxxed group, and now it’s 14.16.

Now your at 48.62% vaccinated, and a legitimate, 51.38% unvaxxed.

Then, add that 1.34 to the vaxxed bunch, where it more appropriately belongs, after removing it from the unvaxxed bunch, where it didn’t belong in the first place, and you get…

“What’s good for the goose, is good for the gander”, and in this case, is better…

14.74 vs 14.16, vaxxed to unvaxxed.
and we arrive at 51.07% VAXXED, 48.93% unvaxxed.

Splitting the difference we get,
14.07 vs 14.83

48.69% vaxxed, 51.31% unvaxxed.

Aaa1
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Aaa1
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

?

Aaa1
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Aaa1
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Correct.

Mega me
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Mega me
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Partial vaxxed isn’t considered vaccinated

Guest
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4 years ago
Reply to  Mega me

Yeah, I know.

Consider that partially vaccinated definitely isn’t unvaccinated.

You missed the point(s).

One of them is…
Partially vaxxed isn’t unvaccinated, so why add those two groups together?

Make it three groups if you must.

If they don’t belong with the fully vaccinated, they also don’t belong with the totally unvaccinated.

The main point is, is what the comparison really looks like, when you separate the partially vaxxed out… and only compare the fully vaxxed to the totally unvaxxed.

48.5% fully vaxxed cases.
51.5% totally unvaxxed cases.

The aside is…

When you turn the tables, and add the partially vaxxed to the fully vaxxed instead.

51.07% jabbed cases,
48.93% unjabbed cases.

Notice in the graph, how only the vaccinated group’s cases have started to rapidly increase again?
They have nearly tripled from 5 to 13.

But, during the same time, the unvaxxed cases have come down?

What’s up with that?

And not one peep about that, from the County, or anyone else, for that matter.

It figures.

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Nooo
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4 years ago
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Went over that.. remember about misinterpretation? Partially vaxxed is having an unknown level of immunity depending on time-frame. The range of immunity generated by the first shot of a two shot series maybe from zero to sort of. Even people with both doses are not considered fully vaccinated until two weeks has passed. It takes time to create immunity. Your fixation is unresolvable. Period. And irrelevant.

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4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

You’re the only one fixated on the efficacy associated with the partially vaxxed. And apparently that fixation is unresolvable.
Who even cares?

Why can’t you admit that they aren’t unvaxxed?

Why can’t you see, or admit, that the vaxxed cases are very nearly equal to, or even exceed, the unvaxxed cases for the last week?

That is the point that seemd to keep eluding you.

matrix
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4 years ago
Reply to  nevertrustacop

Are you getting paid by the link?

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago
Reply to  matrix

I can’t even imagine the time these people spend “researching”. Then coming here to post links, argue, check in all day, argue some more, put in some more computer time looking for articles that agree with them, posting more.
And what for? To “own” the vaccinated?
On a news blog ? Sheesh, I don’t have that kind of time to kill .

Mr and Mrs unjabbed
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4 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Kinda sounds like you.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
4 years ago

Yeah,sure doesn’t spend anytime researching though. Just makes empty comments

Mr and Mrs unjabbed
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4 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Especially when the links don’t agree with you is when it’s absurd.

nevertrustacop
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nevertrustacop
4 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

“to own”.i think your projecting there buddy. the only immunity this “vaccine” provides is to the manufacturers. ?

Willie Caos-Mayham
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Willie Caos-Mayham
4 years ago

??So in the the long run there is no herd immunity for vaxxed or unvaxxed and within a year we might be doing this song and dance again. ??

Legallettuce
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4 years ago

761,000 Dead Americans.

matrix
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4 years ago

New study shows that 2 out of 5 people who claim to be un-vaccinated are actually vaccinated. Due to peer pressure and fear of being ostracized from their group they are quiet about it. They are usually the most vocal about how they will never get vaccinated….

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Baby Monster
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4 years ago

In a strange turn of events… Children are suddenly starting to have heart attacks. Experts and those people familiar with the sutuation confirm it’s from THE DEVIL WEED!!!! Yes folks pot!!! Hide your wife! hide your children! But most impotently hide your pot!

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=marijuana+heart+attacks+in+children&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
4 years ago

Germany’s infection rate is 277 per 100,000. Compared to that, our 15 is “covid over”. Thanks everyone for all the sacrifices that made this success possible.

Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago

You know, like the old aphorism “Even a broken clock is right twice a day”, I hope this time you are right and it really “over.” I suspect though it is more likely that the surges will get smaller and smaller as the number of most vulnerable people diminishes until the numbers are no longer noticeable rather then it truly is over. “The outbreak is attributed in part to the relatively low vaccination rate of the population in Germany, at just over 67 per cent.”
https://www.euronews.com/2021/11/11/germany-records-50-000-covid-19-cases-in-dramatic-virus-surge

For all the complaints about mandates in the US, it is nowhere as severe as conservative, nationalist Austria where “People who are unvaccinated or who haven’t recently recovered from COVID-19 will have to go into lockdown from midnight, Austria’s chancellor has announced.
“The situation is serious,” Alexander Schallenberg said, adding that the measure was, unfortunately, “necessary”.
He emphasised that the incidence rate among the unvaccinated was much higher than among those who had the jab, at around 1700 new cases per 100,000 people.” https://www.euronews.com/2021/11/14/covid-19-austrian-government-orders-lockdown-for-unvaccinated?minutetv=true

Mr and Mrs unjabbed
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4 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

The winter holiday surge is going to happen but I hope not.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago

That’s what happens when your news sources pound it into your head all day. FOX, OANN etc, watch them sometime, you see the same lies repeated here word for word.
The same fear mongering.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
4 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Even libs can’t bother to watch endless lies on MSNBC or CNN. Big Bird has higher credibility and ratings

matrix
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4 years ago

Not according to Ted Cruz

matrix
Member
4 years ago

Long COVID is “mostly a mental disease”; the condition long COVID is solely due to a person’s belief, not actual disease; long COVID doesn’t exist
VERDICT 

SOURCE: AnonymousSubstack, 8 Nov. 2021  
DETAILS
Factually inaccurate

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Nooo
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Nooo
4 years ago
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The latest in the unending effort of anti government types to diminish reasons for taking covid seriously.

Aaa1
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Aaa1
4 years ago

“Federal appeals court calls Biden vaccine mandate ‘fatally flawed’ and ‘staggeringly overbroad.’”
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/13/federal-appeals-court-calls-biden-vaccine-mandate-fatally-flawed-and-staggeringly-overbroad-.html