UPDATE: [Self-Defense!] Gas Station Attendant Arrested in Fatal Shooting of Suspected Armed Robber
This is a press release from the Humboldt County Sheriff’s Office. The information has not been proven in a court of law and any individuals described should be presumed innocent until proven guilty:
On July 2, 2020, at about 9:45 p.m., Humboldt County Sheriff’s deputies were dispatched to a business on the 200 block of Blue Lake Blvd. in Blue Lake for the report of an armed robbery with shots fired.
Deputies arrived on scene and located a male subject with a gunshot wound to the chest. First responders performed lifesaving efforts on the subject, however, the male succumbed to his injuries on scene.
Humboldt County Sheriff’s Criminal Investigators responded to the scene to investigate the death as a homicide. Further investigation revealed that at about 9:40 p.m. the subject approached an employee and a patron of the business outside, brandishing a firearm in an attempt to rob the store. The employee and patron fled. The man entered the store and proceeded to steal cash and other items.
As a result of their investigation, investigators believe that as the man exited the business, the employee, later identified as 39-year-old Mark Anthony Nelson Jr., approached the subject and shot him. A stolen firearm believed to be associated with the homicide was recovered at the scene.
Nelson Jr. was arrested and booked into the Humboldt County Correctional Facility on charges of murder (PC 187(a)), possession of stolen property (PC 496(a)) and convicted felon in possession of a firearm (PC 29800(a)). He is being held without bail pending arraignment.
The Humboldt County Coroner’s Office is working to determine the identity of the decedent.
This case is being forward to the District Attorney’s Office for review. More information will be released when available and appropriate.
Anyone with information about this case or related criminal activity is encouraged to call the Humboldt County Sheriff’s Office at 707-445-7251 or the Sheriff’s Office Crime Tip line at 707-268-2539.
UPDATE: Gas Station Attendant Charged With Homicide Acted in Self-Defense, Says HCSO
Earlier Chapters:
- One Person With Gunshot Wound to Chest After Armed Robbery at Gas Station in Blue Lake
- Interview With a Witness and Photos From Last Night’s Homicide in Blue Lake
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I had to read this 3 times and I still don’t know if I get it.
It will get better when there is no more law enforcement.
Let him go…you don’t want this hot potato.
Convoluted, ain’t it?
The way the law works or doesnt really work in my eyes , is since the cashier retreated to safety and was out of danger but he then went back and shot the guy which is in the laws eye not right because the robber was no longer a threat to the cashier once the cashier was gone from the scene and out of danger . Unless the cashier can prove he didnt know the assailant was still in the store or didnt know the assailant still had a gun so he approached the store not knowing there was still a threat inside but then had to protect himself wich would make the charges only be felon in possession of a firearm . Or he went back in incase there might be a customer inside. So he would have to prove he thought the guy was gone or didnt have his weapon still or the cashier was concerned of others safety in or around the store and was protecting the life of others wich i thought was the law and duty, that if you see a person in distress you must help them by law . What if a woman would have walked in and gotten shot while the assailant was running out the door . The cashier seems to have reacted to a highly stressful situation that he wasnt trained to deal with like the cops are trained . All these robberies and no one is caught then a robber gets shot and caught and the cashier goes to jail for freaking murder . What a strange world.
How is a normal citizen who isnt a criminal or law expert supposed to know how to exactly deal with such a stressful situation and not get things turned on them. There should be classes or literature provided by government that explain how to deal with being the victim of a crime without getting the situation turned on the victim.
https://www.redwoods.edu/communityed/Detail/ArtMID/17724/ArticleID/4912/Awareness-De-escalation-and-Assertiveness-Training
Thank you seems be to helpful in some areas but not getting robbed at gun point or how stay within the law . I do think everyone should take the classes you recommended.
De-escalation classes seriously, wow, so if I took one of these De-escalation classes and then found myself in the cashiers possession , would that give me meow kbowlege of the law , so is be more liable for being charged with murder because I know the law at that Point, now how the fuck can you expect to De-escalate a person with a gun they pointing at you, this is not some guy on a rooftop , threatening to take gas own life, it is somebody thatvus on a power trip with a gun in there hand, the cops know the law. They at times. Use their judgment and they are not chsrhed with murder. , now how can a person felon or non felon, who doesn’t know the law be held accountable., I.n such a situation, if you take thisclass , does it give you proper training to use judgment of an eminste threat. And give you same privileges as peace offixers is situation, , how would this have turned out with an armed gunman running around blue lake, maybe carjack. A lady and her children , or run up n some older peoples home holding them hostage. This guy acted as any one with a gun shoved in their face would have, take down a threat m. Before they hurt someone else, , this guy knows u gonnw do time. For it, but un selfishly to protect himself and others he did what he had to do,, fuck the bullshit. Why do we have gun rights, if we can’t protect. Ourselves, 2nd amendment supoerceeds. All amendment to it, felon on felon crime, sounds like a fair fight, good guy won, don’t always work out thwr way, drop murder charge self defense, acquit. On protection of others and public safety, let the man go DAY office
Organizations like the NRA and CRPA exist for this very purpose. And for advocating reforms to absurd laws like these.
That’s a very good point, and one I hope is argued in court. No way to know if the thief would come out of the convenience store and shoot someone that got in his way. Even though the threat to the clerk was largely over, it could be argued he was defending others.
California Self Defense: The Castle Doctrine
California is not a stand your ground state, but does recognize the “castle doctrine,” which applies to one’s home, place of business, or other real property. Similarly, an individual using deadly force to protect his or her property has no duty to retreat. But castle doctrine rights end when an individual is no longer on his or her real property. As a general rule of thumb, any force used against an intruder must be proportionate to the harm reasonably feared.
https://statelaws.findlaw.com/california-law/california-self-defense-laws.html#:~:text=California%20Self%20Defense%3A%20The%20Castle,has%20no%20duty%20to%20retreat.
maybe this will help his attorney. That gas station parcel includes the old restaurant, those odd shaped apartments, and the house; and are all owned by HBP (his employer). maybe that will help him if he was living in one of those spaces.
The charges against the cashier are weapons charges, not homicide.
PC187(a). That’s a charge of murder. Read the article.
“Nelson Jr. was arrested and booked into the Humboldt County Correctional Facility on charges of murder (PC 187(a)), possession of stolen property (PC 496(a)) and convicted felon in possession of a firearm (PC 29800(a)). “
Wrong. He is charged with pc-187. Murder
This will be the first of many. Not opening the economy because we might get the flu is the cause. Lets roll the beautiful epstein jet footage and see the real reason the democrats are using mass pysops on the people. Its time for american politicians to confess their treasonous behavior to the people. End tyranny!!!
The problem is our reliance on the economy. Money isn’t a true resource. It’s a tool of control by the elites. People are more concerned with amassing money than actual resources. You need love, food, water, and shelter to survive. People put much more time into the rat race than their communities, and, especially sad, their families. We’re lied to and told this is the only way to survive by increasing the digits in your bank balance. We need to put that time and energy into our communities and families. Love and respect your children. Love and respect you family. At least respect your community members, if you don’t love them. Grow food, make clothes, make your own stuff, learn local herbalism. Follow Christ’s example and take care of each other without counting the cost. Say no to a system that turns us against each other. We are strongest together.
Beep, your my hero!! 🙂
Heare, heare…
whoops
Sounds like the guy worked there and had a accomplish with him sounds like the guy that worked there shot him and there still looking for the accomplish
Has anyone connected this (as a possibility) to the July 1 armed robbery of Murphy’s in Trinidad at 10 pm? In that one, the masked gunman stole money, physically assaulted two store employees and fled south on 101. I haven’t read an update on whether or not they found that guy. Similarities here, about 24 hours apart.
Accomplish? English much?
They probably have the same root word and meaning, Accomplice, will most definitely help you accomplish something.
Timing is the best way to understand if it’s legal or not.
Give this man a pardon!
Armed robbers get what’s coming to them.
whats most important here, is that felons are not allowed to protect themselves
Sorry to hear. He was always very friendly to customers. I seen him talking with the elderly Native American lady who walks up and down that street and was always helpful to her. Bad situation all around. Good luck Mr. Nelson
Sounds like the civilians had this situation under control until the cops showed up. Can anyone explain to me why we need cops?
Good question.
This is crazy!! Armed robber got what he deserved. The employee should get a raise and be told by the sheriff thank you for doing our job! You know how many armed robberies go unsolved in humboldt…
A lot!! You know how Minimum wage employees have been tortured and traumatized by armed robbers in Humboldt county?… Countless. Those workers abs their families deserve justice for what has happened to them while doing their job. Meanwhile a low life looking to steal and drain our system for everything it has, gets to be honored by charging the guy who protected his place of work?!?! If you are on this jury and you convict this man shame on you!!
The last one at Coast Credit Union the robber handed the teller a note saying he had a gun and wanted her money. I am sure CCU has a policy to for employee to hand the money over even if the teller doesn’t see a weapon. Robbers know this so robbers are not having to show a gun and rob with a note. What happened to the teller having a button at their counter to make someone know a robbery is in progress? 911 can be alerted quickly and the robbing person can possibly be apprehended more quickly. Or cameras can increase the focus towards the front door(s). In Las Vegas bank cameras have a direct cable to the L V Police stations. No descriptions of the robber necessary. And today most police cars carry computers. Electronics are available. Inside and outside.
FREE MARK!
He is super nice and helpful, a very kind individual.
ANYTIME I needed help he has helped, and upstanding member of the community.
Crooks killing crooks, go figure. I wonder if the business owner/manager would have been allowed to inquire about criminal history, if the shooter would have been hired? Either way the dead guy paid the ultimate price for his poor choice.
Hes s cashier not a teacher. Shouldn’t matter unless hes a predator.
The guy they arrested “Mark” is a super cool friendly and charasmatic dude who works for a living obviously. We always put weed in the penny dish when he’s working and he always has something to say to make you smile. When this place got robbed a couple weeks ago they robbed the old man who owns the place who is such a gentleman and it pissed people off. I hope this was the same armed robber. It seems like a stretch to charge the victim of an armed robery with homicide when the thief was armed with a gun.
You rob a store with a firearm you get what is coming to you. It’s not super clear in the press release, but if this employee shot an armed robber during a robbery in progress, the charges should be dropped or severely diminished. It sounds like he took out a dangerous criminal committing a crime and was afraid for his own life and other’s safety. Seems like a public service he should be commended for and not arrested for.
If he wasnt a felon he would of been able to have a legal gun under the counter and been able to legally use it in self defense, instead of most likely having to go to the parking lot to retrieve a stolen firearm. There are allot of felons in this county who’ve never committed a violent offense. If you have a good reason, you should be able to have a gun.
he may have paid for it too. it may just have to be reported stolen
I have to ask the question. If this man was white (like me) would he be arrested? If it turns out his prints are on the stolen gun they have his ass but I doubt they waited to find out. It could have been the deceased that carried the stolen piece.
Yes, felons are prohibited from having a firearm so they his ass there but it’s a damned ironic case nonetheless.
So….. What you think would happen to a white guy in this situation, were he a felon and shot the robber with a stolen gun? Without those 2 factors, I’d agree a white guy would likely get better treatment.
Another question that can be asked is, if the victim was black, instead of white, would he have been arrested? I am just speculating… but it should be noted and understood that so-called “black on white” crime sees exaggerated retribution as compared with situations where victims are black. They usually throw the books at these folks. Just saying…
“if the victim was black, instead of white, would he have been arrested”
yaaaaaawn!
“but it should be noted and understood that so-called “black on white” crime sees exaggerated retribution as compared with situations where victims are black”
Show proof or you’re full of shit.
“They usually throw the books at these folks”
Blacks are more likely to get stiffer sentences for the same violent crime as whites because they are more likely to have a history of violent crimes………..because they commit more violent crime!
“Just saying…”
Just saying nothing as usual; perpetuating the myth of systemic racism. That is why a million douchebags were in the streets rioting and smashing in the windows of innocent people “about a minute ago”.
Awwww… look who got triggered. It’s always the most fragile ones…
Yes he would have. White people are arrested for this stuff all the time in this day and age. It’s stupid to prosecute wether it’s a black or white person. Although he should have been a bit smarter and not had a fun as a felon. Put the cops in a bad position.
Just because white people are arrested, it doesn’t mean they are treated the same under the law, and it doesn’t mean that punishments are equal either.
This is what a million people were protesting about a minute ago.
Your question asked if he would have been arrested. He absolutely would have been arrested. How about you wait until there’s some actual discrepancy before crying racism.
“actual” discrepancy?
What are you referring to?
Racism in the criminal “justice” system is a given. My point is that each step of the way through “due process” is another opportunity for racism to produce unequal outcomes for individual people, like Mark, who seems to have found himself in a rather grey area of the law. Even if a judge deems him wrong, his actions seem to be somewhat supported by the court of popular opinion. A white person with a good lawyer would probably have a good chance at beating the charges, or getting a reduced sentence. A person of color, who is a working person without a lot of money, often does not fare so well. These people are often subject to having the book thrown at them. I am concerned that this man, who is apparently much-loved by the community, may not fare so well. People in the community who care about what happens to Mark, are going to need to keep an eye on the case.
a white person with a good lawyer vs a person of color without allot of money. What your saying is that the legal system responds to money not race. Pretty sure a white guy working the same job would have the same income. They don’t give cashiers an extra 50$ a hour cause their white
I’m saying it responds to both.
Klan Mart does!
You need hard evidence before crying racism. You have nothing to back up your claim that a white person wouldn’t have been arrested besides emotion and feeling. A black person with a good lawyer would also have a good chance at beating the charges… ever heard of OJ Simpson? Clearly the root of the argument you are making is a wealth difference, not a race difference.
I don’t think you read my claim.
It doesn’t matter to them. Their agenda is to minimize systemic racism and have you focus on rioters and black on black crime. Dog whistles and Righty talking points.
Thanks, Yeah,sure. Capiche.
Oh enough with it, the race thing is so boring.
This guys my hero, bottom line.
No one made you read the comments.
And if he’s really your hero, maybe you’d care about what he might be going through, or how much time they may make him serve… you know, to repay his “debt” to society.
No, we all read it. You are calling it racism without providing any evidence.
You obviously didn’t read what I wrote.
I wrote that the criminal “justice” system tends to work against people of color and poor people. And yeah, people do call that systemic racism and the exploitation of the poor and marginalized. As I said, this is why a million people were protesting for weeks on end. If you need more evidence than that, feel free to use your google, as the internet is awash with books and scholarly articles on the subject of our legal system and how it works in conjunction with race and poverty.
Welcome to Kalefornia, where you’re charged for protecting your property.
Release him with no bail, it’s the least that can be done. He could probably raise a hefty defense fund.
I don’t know all the facts here but I do know that the possession of the (possibly stolen) gun is a completely separate issue from whether or not the shooting was justified.
Free mark
The press release does not include enough details to make a judgement. It seems weird that an employee leaves then comes back and simply shoots the robber. More had to have gone on. Was he trying to stop the robber and was threatened then shot? Was the gun in his possession before the shooting? Did they have a prior history?
A quick search revealed he shot a lady multiple times in a 2011 road rage incident in Eureka.
It sounded to me like the attendant shot the perpetrator after he left the store. You can only defend yourself (or another in immediate danger) at the time of the crime, not after. In other words, someone robs me and does not hurt me, but turns to leave the property, I chase him down and shoot him, then I am liable for whatever charges are brought against me. If I am a felon, and not supposed to have any firearms in my possession, then I am in even deeper trouble. Is this what happened?
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Let’s follow this case through trial and help Mark beat this.
Any surveillance video?
Yes, all the “facts” will come out during the trial, in what? 2-3 years?….I assume it is the gas station at the casino? If so, surveillance cameras are probably everywhere and of good quality….anyway, yes, confusing write-up….robber had a gun, one gun recovered at the scene? Is that the gun Mark used to shoot the robber with, or did he have a gun too? If so, then 2 guns should have been recovered??
Well…if I was on the jury I might acquit him. I mean…armed robbery is something that could end up w/ an innocent person killed. Why we keep letting criminals like this run free is beyond me. Somebody gunning them down might not be absolutely wrong. Our justice system is broken and I’m not sure what the answer is but this is one answer that I believe we will see happening more.
I hope the cops botch this crime scene to the point of no charges like they did Josiah Lawson’s.
Huh? Someone uses a firearm for an armed robbery, the employee shoots them, and they arrest the employee? What the fucking hell?
Welcome to 2020
The reason its so difficult to understand. Is that self defense laws and concealed carry requirements state you need to do your best to deescalate/remove yourself from a situation first. If you can’t prove that you tried to do than other laws can nullify self defense.
If its true that he had time to leave the area safely. Then come back after retrieving a weapon. Put him in a very precarious area, that potentially no longer counts as self defense. I am not even sure exactly how messy the laws get in some situations. But its a very messy place to be.
This is one of those situations where the deceased, despite committing a crime. Potentially has more recognized rights under the law. Than the victims of the initial crime do.
I think you have the burden of proof backwards. It’s up to the prosecution to prove that the robber was no longer a threat. If not, then the clerk who shot him has to be acquitted.
I certainly could be wrong. But this was how its been explained to me in the past. By several law enforcement officers and concealed carry class teachers.
Its definitely not as cut and dry as it should be imo. At the same time I am not saying anyone deserves to die. Or have their life ruined cause they tried to protect someone else in a situation like this.
He left and came back. That’s premeditated, not self-defense. For his sake I hope the perpetrator came out brandishing.
Or, would he have a legal precedent to come back if he thought someone else’s life was in danger? Not stating that’s the case just looking to get educated.
Castle doctrine does allow you to protect the lives of others with lethal force. On the surface it doesn’t sound like what happened in the press release story. Convicted felon or not, I’m rooting for self-defence to become apparent. Things get gray outside a home or business.
“Does a person have to retreat in California if they are outside their residence but still on their property?
No. Although the Castle doctrine under PC section 198.5 applies only inside a person’s home, there are additional self-defense principles that apply in and out of the residence.
A person is not required to retreat in California. He or she is entitled to stand his (her) ground and defend with force if reasonably necessary, or even to pursue an assailant until the danger of death or bodily injury has passed.
Under California jury instructions 505 and 506, an accused is not guilty of using deadly force if he or she was defending themselves or another person. This applies both inside and outside the residence. The actions would be justified, and therefore not unlawful, if:
The accused reasonably believed that the danger was imminent;
The accused reasonably believed that the use of deadly force was necessary to defend against the danger;
The accused used no more force than was reasonably necessary to defend against the danger.
The imminent danger must be immediate and present. An imminent danger is one that must be instantly dealt with.
Great bodily injury means significant or substantial physical injury.”
Great explanation, thanks.
I’ve always wondered about a victim whose safety might not be imminent but does feel real fear of danger or death from the suspect at a later time.
Thanks
something to think about. If he returned he could have returned to make a citizen arrest in that case use of force was justified.
Penal Code 837 PC is the California statute that authorizes a citizen’s arrest.
Under 837 PC, a citizen may arrest a perpetrator when:
the perpetrator commits, or attempts to commit, a misdemeanor offense in the citizen’s presence;
the citizen knows, directly or indirectly, that the perpetrator committed a felony; and/or,
a felony has been committed and the citizen has reasonable cause for believing the perpetrator committed it
He could also argue once off parole or probation the 2nd amendment is an individual right (Heller vs DC) and therefore he had a right to posses a firearm. Not going far with that but people are arguing you do not lose your right to vote as a felon once out and off parole so why is 2nd amendment any different than other rights? I don’t agree with that but…..
Agreed. Besides the felon with a firearm, he’s probably under arrest for homicide because of what he said to the cops more than what he did. It’s best not to talk to cops if you don’t have to.
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/
As a member they pay for legal services if you defend yourself with a firearm.
The mistakes are, returning to the scene after being safe and shooting the robber, felon in possession of a firearm and having a stolen firearm. Shooting the guy?… i thank many of us will thank Mr Nelson for that. I am sure Mr Nelson had no idea the cards were stacked against him.
Good on Mark!
Very likely saved an innocent life in the future.
This is America… every one armed to the teeth. Is this what we want for our lives. Not me.
Most countries don’t permit citizens to have guns, but ours recognizes the natural right of citizens to keep and bear arms to defend themselves. It is not mandatory for you to do so.
life is not fair. if someone brings trouble your way what are you going to do
“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”
― Robert A. Heinlein
You call our society polite? Hmm
We’re not an armed society. We are a society which owns firearms. About 1 in 4 own firearms and maybe 1 in 1000 carry concealed.
Tell me about a truly armed society and how polite they are, I’m curious. I can give many examples of unarmed societies which have very low levels of violence and are very polite.
Large swaths of the US qualify. Except for a few urban areas gun violence rates in the US are on par with Canada. Switzerland has a higher rate of gun ownership than the US and very low crime rates.
Small swaths of the US are extremely violent (many of those municipalities have strict gun control) and many countries with extreme gun control are very violent. Mexico comes to mind.
Wrong. For someone so obsessed with statistics I’m surprised.
Why not provide some of those many examples you mentioned above?
How about the entire Midwest vs Chicago?
Counter with actual numbers. Go ahead and run the numbers and let me know:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/
https://www.gofundme.com/f/t3cpzf-free-mark?utm_medium=email&utm_source=product&utm_campaign=p_email%2B4803-donation-alert-v5&fbclid=IwAR13B5zUhL0Pqhqbvmm0JRJBaE5H47oJBPF_FSWr4i5bPjw55ni-FbwWTd0
Do not be armed… it is your right to be defenseless.
It’s incredible what has become of the majority of homo sapiens.
I complete agree with those in control of the political spectrum and corporate multinationals.
Humans are being phased out, because whatever you think is important to you has a lot of liability attached to it.
It would be foolish not to read what the trans humanists are preaching.
The human biological body has only so much use for the machine.
We’ve sold out our humanity to the technology centered digital diaspora.
Then leave. go someplace where it is illegal for citizens to own firearms. Mexico is right down the road. Europe, Cuba, Canada lots of choices. The wall Trump is building is to keep people out not to keep people in. Nothing keeping you here.
I wish that he were smiling in the booking photo but I wouldn’t be either. I think that he worked at the Chevron on Samoa Blvd in Arcata. Can’t tell for sure because the cashier that I am thinking of was the nicest guy that you would ever meet and always had a wonderful smile on his face.
Many readers should consider that two things ring true regarding this crime. First, the news release is very brief. Secondly, the District Attorney will review the Sheriff’s investigation. Facts, many of them, all of them have yet to be known. Reading Kym’s respondents, some, who were witnesses to various aspects to the crime have been interviewed or will be-soon. And what were the security measures in place at the time of the robbery-shooting? It seems to me that the SO deputies learned a lot from the Lawson stabbing (Arcata) locking down the scene, keeping control of the scene, calling for backup and notifying the detectives, and crime scene folks. So many facts all of which are unknown to the public. It is a sad situation- and the suspect has a violent history; but innocence is the legal presumption.
Hopefully this guy gets a pass. I can not condone crime and he was a convicted felon but he was working and doing the right thing then killed a robber. Sometimes doing the right thing means letting a guy have a pass
On the other had they let two scumbags with 4.5 POUNDS of heroin go and submit a report to the DA
This is insane
Dude shot up a car in Eureka while back..fired thru his back windows at a car that rear ended him.
Makes it look like he was mad that he got robbed and wanted to get back at him…get a good lawyer bro. Dont wear the grill to court.
This man has an anger management issue, and twice using a gun is causing him severe trouble, and I remember that shooting incident on H St, since I ran smack dab into the police blockade right after work.
The shoot happy nuts here love the fact that he shot someone. Even after the fact that the incident was over yet he was hell bent on paybacks. Sounds like this guy is a trigger happy nut case and sooner or later he was going to kill someone for some reason.
For anyone who knows Mark, who generates the kind comments in this thread, consider paying him a morale-boosting visit at the jail. Let him know he is a good man who is not forgotten.
Good men don’t shoot up cars over road rage. Get real…
Yeah, good men put on suits and broker the end of humanity.
Military Industrial Complex is a trillion dollar industry which can streamline the use of deadly force on a large scale.
Our culture is so programmed by death and destruction, it’s no wonder this doesn’t happen more.
Take the guns, the knives come out.
Worship death, and Hollywood and the central bank…
Something has to give.
Everything can be compared to something worse to make something seem less bad. Stop it.
Yeah, good men are those who care more than most, and don’t always have a good way to deal with people who are out of their mind.
Road rage is absolutely real.
We are living lives of quiet desperation, and not everyone is so in touch with their feelings or their ability to talk it out
We live in a modern day jungle and you don’t have to deal with the street living class of people the way Nelson Jr does.
I’m not defending shooting a gun because of road rage, but I can sympathize with anger that has no real solution.
I wish we had a better future for our kids….but sadly for many, cancer and heart disease is the least of their worries.
When anyone in their sedan is being deliberately and repeatedly rammed by some road-raging “lady,” bad things can happen. Like the target of the road rage might have a gun and use it. It was Mr. Nelson bad fortune to be the target of Karen’s road rage.
https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2011/jul/26/mark-anthony-nelson-matthews-audio/
https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2011/jul/26/epd-last-nights-shooting/
All the comments about Mr. Nelson from those who knew him in a work context are positive.
There is an exemption for a felon defending him/herself or another person.
https://www.kannlawoffice.com/felon-firearm.html
“Example: Defendant Dontrelle has a conviction for Brandishing A Firearm In Front Of A Peace Officer (CPC §246) on his record.
He went to his bank one afternoon to make a deposit. A man, Armed Robber, entered and Security Guards shot at him; Armed Robber killed a Guard, who fell dead at Dontrelle’s feet, and continued shooting at the bank’s customers.
Dontrelle, fearing for his life, took the dead Guard’s .38 caliber pistol, shot, and incapacitated Armed Robber. When police arrived they found Dontrelle ready to hand them Guard’s pistol.
Police, knowing Dontrelle and his criminal history, arrested him for being a Felon In Possession Of A Firearm (a violation of CPC §29800(a)(1)). Should Dontrelle be convicted?
Conclusion: Self-defense permits possession of a firearm even for a convicted felon. Dontrelle needs to establish that he needed to use the weapon to protect himself, that the force he used was no greater than the force with which he was met, and that he used force for no longer than was necessary for the defense.
On the facts, Dontrelle took Guard’s weapon, shot Armed Robber (who was shooting at customers, including Dontrelle), incapacitated Armed Robber (preventing him from further attacks) and did nothing more. Under the circumstances, greater force was neither needed nor used. When law enforcement arrived, Dontrelle surrendered Guard’s pistol, making no effort to hide from them that he was a felon in possession of a weapon.
Dontrelle should be acquitted because he was defending himself. “
Let’s hope the worker can get a good lawyer or better yet the DA will drop the murder charge. We have a productive member of society in jail who does not belong there. Unless he chased the armed robber down the street and shot him in the back, I say free him.
I wondered why anyone would give CPR to an armed robber on the other thread and hit ripped now people cheer the shooter here?
If and when you ever point a gun at someone, you can bet your chances of getting shot west up dramatically
This man should have never gone to jail for murder To bad the weapon charge might stick
One less scumbag on earth. Great work to the cashier!!
Hopefully you get justice. And an medal for your fine work.
Lets start a Gofundme to help this fine citizen out.
Make sure you mention he shot up an occupied car over road rage in the past. A real upstanding guy!
You don’t understand much about human nature and the blowback of these trying times.
“Get busy living or get busy dying ”
We give medals to people who shoot guns in the armed forces.
Existential circumstances are hard to find when you stop thinking critically.
It’s never black and white.
You’re thinking critically? Could have fooled me…
Times are tough, and I’m curious what the nature of the repeated Rear ending of your car would mean to you.
People react differently to different situations. I know plenty of people with ptsd from Iraq and Afghanistan and they probably have more patience than nelson, but in that situation, who knows, a car can be a deadly weapon, and those who use vehicles to assault people should think twice.
Critical thinking for you, doesn’t always shine bright here. You seem to have a bone to pick with people who think independent and critical, but not to your satisfaction.
You get just as much as you give, just don’t go using your vehicle to rear end others.
Consequences are real.
Seems like the employee deserves a medal for rehabilitating a criminal…
The big question for the DA’s office is this: is this a case worth pursuing culturally and politically? The fact pattern currently stated here by the sheriff’s office screams of a jury nullification situation.
More than likely, the safe bet is that the DA’s office will reach a plea agreement over the gun charges and considers manslaughter instead.
That store won’t be robbed for a while. I did something less extreme to a burglar that I caught and had zero theft issues for years. I doubt a local jury will convict on the murder charge he can tell some bullshit and skate but felon in possession is up to 5 years federal usually about 3 years and he will probably be closer to the high end 5 years.
If I was on his jury I would also find him not guilty of that crime. I’d find him not guilty across the board and let him walk free. I hope others feel the same. It only takes 1 out of 12 to do the right thing. The jury is our last chance in the justice system to stand against bad application of law…
As dark and horrible as it is, it’s about damn time. Next time when one of you POS thieves thinks about stealing from a business, home or person, remember, some shoot back.
Crazy culture we have been breeding.
Who here would help donate to a GoFundMe for this man’s legal defense? So he can hire a real criminal defense lawyer not a public defender, make bail and stand a chance at fighting the case from outside the jail. Come on BLM folk, give this guy a chance…everybody I know says this guy is the nicest guy let’s see put your money where your mouth is and fight for law and order and justice for our melinated brothers.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/t3cpzf-free-mark?utm_medium=email&utm_source=product&utm_campaign=p_email%2B4803-donation-alert-v5&fbclid=IwAR13B5zUhL0Pqhqbvmm0JRJBaE5H47oJBPF_FSWr4i5bPjw55ni-FbwWTd0
For some reason, the go fund me account has been deactivated? I was all set to donate.
Ultimately it may come down to whether the jury is pro or anti guns,
and their political leanings.
Yup. Isn’t it ironic that it’s those “racist” Trump supporters that would happily let him go free.
You might be a generic being, but everyone I’ve met ( left or right ) is a individual.
Your racist crap is so boring.
No , even Trump likes his token Black People. I’m sure you’re also on board with his road rage incident in the past.
None of you in the cheerleading section in this thread were there. My guess is you’ll all be eating crow but what the heck, it was fun as hell imagining him blowing someone away, wasn’t it?
I guess black people have to act or think a certin way or they are not reall black. You and joe biden TV hink alike keep black under control and do not give them a choice. You are a racist pure and simple.
Hahaha, try making sense next time…
Also, saying someone is racist for accusing someone of racism has had its day. It didn’t make sense when you made it up and it doesn’t make sense now. Gaslighting at its finest…
Gee I’ve met a lot of black people but never a token one.
Is that how you discredit a black person? Call them tokens.
Sounds kinda racist.
Get real, you’re little piss-ant bs may work in a 4chan chat room, it just looks dumb here. Please come up with some new more interesting comebacks. Thanks.
I was real…Don’t like it when you’re crap is busted do you.
Speaking of a gaslighter, you’re posts are a prime example.
When is the last time you had something good to say?
Are you under the impression that you are a paragon of happiness?
Your critical thinking is so uplifting.
The murder charge is state but the feds sometimes pick up felon in possession gun charges. A federal jury on the gun charge will be made up from voter registration not the census you tend to have conviction happy juries that is why feds win 99.7% of cases
The not only should let him go, they should expunge his record as a reward for job well done.
Why?
Absolutely not! This is a job for social workers!
Only cowards use guns! Except the robber, he probably really needed the money so it was ok. Do we have any info on the race of the deceased? Because that is supper important to how I feel about this.
Imagine if the robber was black and the attendant white, I bet nobody would be going to jail. Humboldt County has always been racist, it was founded on racism and Genocide. Fact
Maybe he confronted the robber for the sole purpose of detaining him for the police? I understand at some point someone yelled “Don’t move”. Then maybe the robber made a threatening move with his gun which required Mr. Nelson to shoot in self-defense. I’d buy that defense. Bottom line is he needs a good defense lawyer.
Take this to Jury trial…
If there is a time to riot, its because the law allows him to be arrested, which is a Politicians fault, not the Cops doing their jobs.
I talked to someone last night that I had never liked…Turns out he’d broken into houses in the past and took pretty much everything.
I was not surprised.
If you break into a home, your asking for someone to die. If you brandish a weapon while robbing a place, your asking for someone to die.
Take this to trial, you’ll find at least one person on the right side.
Vote in Politicians who will vote in sane just laws.
This man is a hero, free him for protecting customers and the Buisness from being robbed by a murder threatening criminal. I hope justice is served and this man is set free.
This fellow’s shooting on H Street due to road rage caused my family grief….due to my name & locale, I was threatened time and again by the towing company’s collection agency to pay the towing bill ensuing from the shooting/arrest of Nelson. I don’t blame him, but Humboldt Towing can rot in hell !!!
Did anyone catch the name of the gunman?