President Trump Sends National Guard to California, Washington, and New York
Today, President Trump announced that in response to the spread of COVID-19 the National Guard will be sent to help three states–California, Washington, and New York.
According to NBC News, “The three states have either been approved or will soon be approved for major disaster declarations to allow the federal government to provide supplies more seamlessly, he said.”
The National Guard being sent by Trump would be under the control of each state’s governors but funded by the federal government.
The California National Guard had already been deployed by Governor Gavin Newsom on Friday. This was announced as a short term deployment to provide manpower for food banks. “Due to COVID-19, many food banks have been affected by a significant decline in volunteerism, impacting logistical and local infrastructure for food distribution,” a press release from the Governor stated.
President Trump has approved requests from California, New York and Washington states for a Presidential Major Disaster Declaration.
According to CNN, this means sending,
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- “Four large medical stations with 1,000 beds to New York
- Eight large federal medical stations with 2,000 beds for California
- Three small medical stations with 1,000 beds for Washington”
Trump promised the supplies in the next 48 hours.
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Thank you President Trump. By the way, where are Huffman, McGuire and Woods? Hiding under the impeachment rock?
roflmao
They are waiting, like puppies waiting for a treat, for a command from Momma Nancy.
so Trumps national guard trumps newsomes national guard?
Read the article, good God. Don’t expect people to explain life to you.
You don’t even have to read. You can listen (if you can abide his voice). He actually makes it quite clear. He is PAYING for the Guard. Not controlling it.
He is NOT paying for the National Guard. Actually we are paying with our taxes.
That is part correct horse. The state will have no out of pocket funds to pay. Usually 25%is state responsiblity, this is being waived. Watch cnn and let the President do his job.
What exactly IS his JOB in your opinion??? Besides lying constantly while under the influence of a “Mind Altering Drug” (ADDERAL)???!!!
Um, “He” actually means US. You know that, right?
I think that Trump federalized the national guard, on top of Newsome activating the national guard in California. If anyone has a knowledgeable explanation, I’d love to learn about the differences in process better. I’ve read a few other pieces about it and it’s not quite making sense to me.
It’s who is footing the bill. We, the People, of course. But through the state or through the feds.
Apparently, not even God could convince haters that Trump truly loves his country and said country’s citizens enough to do anything he can to protect and serve them. All the while, in spite of being called racist and every other insult imaginable, and having many celebrities and others threaten his very life he continues to act in the interest of ALL Americans. He my not be perfect, but he is far better than the screaming mob of haters. We all need to take a step back and stand united in the purpose of overcoming the current enemy. The enemy is no person. It is a virus.
Thank you Alf.
Well said Alf
The speech made it very clear that the National guard was paid by fema & the Governers would use them as needed.
The hate is rediculous.. hopefully people will start leaving Politics & hate out of it & all try to get through this.
No. The National Guard is payed by YOU the taxpayer.
Trump wanted to be president, of course there will be presidential duties! Don’t get all moist in the eyes over him doin the basics two weeks late. Since when are Republicans all about celebrating mediocrity?
Fragile economy. Turns out far from being robust, most Americans are one week away from being fired. The Stock markets are based on us spending on shit we don’t need.
Alf,
I agree!
Seems Gavin and Cuomo have good things to say as well.
GOD is an Imaginary Construct dreamed up by the Catholic Church to keep Pagans in line & steal their Rituals as well as Sacred Sites!!!
DAN F: “GOD” was a concept MANY CENTURIES BEFORE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH EXISTED…
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GOD’S WILL BE DONE
Thank you, Alf.
Yes, I agree. I am glad to see action and assistance for California, Washington, and New York coming from the President and Washington. I am happy to see that the President’s Corona Virus Task Force is standing further apart at the briefings
Now, if we – myself, especially – could just stay home for 15 days and break the chain of transmission. Maybe, just maybe, Major League Baseball, College Baseball, Humboldt Crabs, B-52’s will start playing before May? Maybe?
Keep a safe distance when I can’t/won’t stay home. Wash my hands. Stay home. That’s all I can do.
May you all be well.
President Trump has done a great job responding to this virus! It takes a global emergency to undo all financial market gains he has achieved. Lack of early covid testing was due to inferior WHO test kits which give 47 % false positives. Just look at the test FDA approved, results in 45 min. Dems only goal it seems is to derail
Thank you Mr President.You have my vote again.I’m still trying to figure out what he has done that is so terribly wrong?? O right, he is a “nazi racist capitalist”(sic). My liberal sister in law reminds me monthly!
reprint from Quora: Scott Martin
Scott Martin, former military journalist
Answered 14h ago
I think Trump knew about the virus long before it became a problem in the United States. I also believe he understood the potential ramifications: medical, economic, and political.
Trump’s No. 1 concern is himself and his political survival. So he tried to obfuscate and downplay the known risks associated with the spread of this new virus to attempt to assure his followers that they had nothing to worry about. If they have nothing to worry about, they can go about business as usual and continue to benefit from the strong economy Trump (allegedly) brought them.
Trump knows that presidents who preside over a poor economy don’t get re-elected: “It’s the economy, stupid.” So Trump had to find every way he could to hide the reality that this virus, combined with an already slowing economy, is about to make life really hard for many Americans, and that reality doesn’t suit his re-election efforts and his attempt to stay out of jail by being the president.
So, for the benefit of American citizens who have not paid attention, Trump claimed this pandemic snuck up on us, as if saying that will excuse or hide his monumentally poor response to the pandemic and help justify our national lack of preparedness.
With Trump, it’s always lie, deny, and deflect. Trump hopes enough Americans don’t see that and, rather, see him as a decisive leader in a time of crisis. His record shows he’s ill-equipped to lead us during this crisis, and he hopes we won’t notice it.
But we do.
and that’s your opinion and you are entitled to it
“Trump knew about the virus long before it became a problem in the United States”. Wow. That guys a fuking genius. Where did he get his inside information?
I think we all knew about the virus long before it came to the United States! And you say trump lies, Denies and deflects? Hmmm sounds like a true politician after all, who
Would have known!
Official docs show he knew in December.
How you all cant see the problem is beyond me.
Do you people look at anything besides fox? ???
You can FOIA the documents yourself.
Do you now think trumps tweets arent real?
He straight up said “im worried about the numbers”. He said no more tests if we test more people then more will test positive and i dont like those numbers.
So ok then if you think hes doing such a great job then you must think its all been a hoax right so please i beg of you if you feel sick don’t get tested because its a hoax. Stay home with all your friends who feel the same and hang out.
Wait til two weeks from now when your elderly loved one who is sick gets picked as someone who wont get treated because theres not enough equipment and because of lack of testing at the get go. Your loved one can call you to say goodbye but no one can be with them so maybe youll get to hear them suffer as their lungs fill with liquid as they slowly die alone suffering. Or it could be your kid if they already have underlying conditions. When supplies run low triage has to be done and whomever has the least likely chance of survival does not get treated. They get left to die.
Whats sadder is it could have been prevented.
This is the reality of Italy.
But hey its just a hoax right?
So you think ordering tests that are faulty is ok? Sending tests to states without chemical needed to do test? Waiting weeks to test while calling the virus a hoax while the rest of the world tested and told our country to do the same but we didnt because trump didn’t want to look bad?
I mean basically youre saying you’re ok with a president who says one thing then a week later says the opposite?
Haiti is testing every person who gets off a plane. British Columbia has still tested more people than our entire country.
You do get that both governors asked multiple times for these vessels its not like trump just up and offered them.
Dont you think if a pres has power to get a company to mass produce critical items like say masks for medical professionals they ought to do it esp if they already invoked the order that allows it?
And btw if all you do is listen to trump youre not getting the truth. You have to fact check everything he says. Oh the media fact checks are lies huh? Was Google lying when they said no we are not working on a national database as trump said. The FDA when they said no we cant put that med on the market we are the people that test it? The insurance companies when they said oh we’ll pay for testing yes but never did we say we’d pay for tests. Mike Pence announced that one is he a liar too?
Trump averages 7 mistruths per speech. I wish that wasnt true but it is.
But hey again if you love him follow his first words and leave the medical supplies for the rest of us.
In case you forgot his words. ..
Great job of bringing facts to the front and all of Trumps lies. The Trump Love fest was getting full of bluster and pure ignorance. I will say he has had moments lately of being Presidential, but quickly followed by false attacks and claims, he just can’t help himself. For the countries sake I hope he leads the way. The entire country needs to shelter in place.
He knew by the end of December. He enacted strick travel bands by the end of January. Which he was grossly criticized and called a racist for. Meanwhile what were the Dems doing? Following their phony impeachment scam and obstructing every positive move Trump made. Lay out a cronilogical timeline to see the truth. You dems are pathological liars who blame Trump for everything you actually do, meanwhile he’s doing the opposite. It’s absolutely insane.
and next week Trump creates the virus to show why we dont want a socialized health care industry. orange man bad
Not exactly. Regarding the testing- The first thing any person ought to do when told anything is ask “what exactly does that mean?” Just because you mistakenly think it means one thing when someone says something, does not mean they are lying. It just means you assumed incorrectly.
Regarding British Columbia-
“British Columbia, which currently has a total of 73 cases, has conducted extensive testing in recent weeks. As of March 13, the B.C. Centre for Disease Control had tested 6,326 individuals.
The province announced Saturday it would be shifting its COVID-19 testing strategies to focus on vulnerable groups in order to make sure those resources are available to those most in need. ” https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/shifting-testing-strategy-bc-1.5498241
“”I’m worried that we’re spreading it, because our workers are not self-isolating, they’re going into homes,” said a concerned nurse in the Fraser Health region who works in home support. The nurse asked not to be identified fearing repercussions from her employer.” https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-health-care-workers-grapple-with-conflicting-messages-amid-pandemic-1.5505165
“B.C. is ordering all restaurants to stop providing dine-in services, as provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry announced 77 new cases of coronavirus Friday, bringing the total in the province up to 348. ” https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-announces-77-new-coronavirus-cases-bringing-total-to-348-as-restaurants-close-province-wide-1.5505134
And Haiti, testing for covid-19 means taking passengers temperatures. Does that mean you are a liar because they aren’t doing real covid-19 tests? – “Apparatus for testing the temperature of passengers from abroad will be installed. The awareness messages will soon be visible on the various screens in the departure and arrival halls of Port-au-Prince airport,” confirmed Dr. Delly, who deplored the slow implementation of the measures announced in due to administrative procedures.” https://www.icihaiti.com/en/news-29893-icihaiti-coronavirus-toussaint-louverture-international-airport-under-surveillance.html
Awwww, you came along and broke up the Trump love fest. They were having such the Dear Leader moment. Trump threw a bone and you’d think he achieved world peace. The fawning was palpable. ??????
Other than having no facts and showing us how biased you are…..well…yeh….thats about all that you contributed with your rant.
Oh grow up. Not one of the finger pointers had any concept of what this virus spread meant either when it was only a few cases, maybe, in China. The incredible stupidity of assuming that somehow, out in the universe, there ought to be magical governmental geniuses who ought to be in control of what everyone does, who knows how to protect us from ourselves without inconveniencing us. No wonder there are fervent socialists- their minds run like that, saying to themselves “if only people could be brought to seeing how wonderful the world is if only ___” then insert their own antidote whatever their latest complaint is. This must be why socialism always ends up with a superior dictator to be worshipped like Stalin or Mao or Castro. They truly believe in magical leadership and willingly hands over their thinking to them. Even if what it turns out to be just a superior bully who bullies them.
The reality is that humans are humans, imperfect on many levels. Trump may or may not have “known” about the existence corona-19 virus in December 2019 but to realize the domino effects of its spread was something , which is what the carppers and fantasizers insist he ought have known, is beyond human capabilities. Even if he had been so superhuman as to have the knowledge and understand it, he still could not have prevented the lesser mass of human beings that it was important enough to divert themselves from the normal pettiness. How can this be true? Because t is what actually happens around the world.
Trump has one overwhelming virtue in that he stands like a mountain between me and any power to those who can’t think any more clearly than to leap straight from “there ought to be” to “there is no reason why not” without noticing anything in between. They can’t conceive of another human not wanting a leader to slavishly follow and from that impairment comes the accusations of “worshipping Trump” and all the other ritualized hate spewing. A sad world made worse by the self righteous deluded.
Blasphemy. The omnipotent government knows all.
Not quite Pinocchio only THINKS so!!!!
Yes. You got it correctly.
How about the fact he is a compulsive liar. He has already spouted over 30 lies and exaggerations in his Covid briefings. The main problem with this jerk is he takes no responsibility for anything bad. He is a self inflating wind bag whose command of the english language is embarrassing.
The real problem lies ahead.
Will Trump be carried off stage by his subordinate yes-men, or will Fauci leave voluntarily out of pure and reasonable maddening frustration?
Arizona chloroquine death, maybe two.
And 3 in Nigeria.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/health/arizona-coronavirus-chloroquine-death/index.html
If Trump hadn’t opened his hunchy mouth against Fauci’s advice, these deaths could have been blamed on the internet alone.
*Where is Fauci?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/dr-fauci-press-conference-white-house-coronavirus
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The president has become increasingly concerned as Dr. Anthony S. Fauci has grown bolder in correcting his falsehoods about the spread of the coronavirus.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-fauci.html
Yup, he shouldn’t have. But then those intent on seeing that Trump is blamed for everything and given credit for nothing for political purposes have their own “falsehoods” they over look, like citing an opinion piece as fact. An opinion piece that decides Fauci is the hero of the moment solely because he disagrees with Trump on something. His own statement about this was ” “The president has heard, as we all have heard, what are what I call anecdotal reports that certain drugs work. So what he was trying to do and express was the hope that if they might work, let’s try and push their usage,” Dr. Fauci said. “I, on the other side, have said I’m not disagreeing with the fact anecdotally they might work, but my job is to prove definitively from a scientific standpoint that they do work. So I was taking a purely medical, scientific standpoint, and the president was trying to bring hope to the people.”” https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2020/03/12/Health-official-Govt-has-failed-to-give-easy-coronavirus-testing-in-US/7841584031816/
But what this repeat of a really biased opinion piece cited says is that Fauci says Trump’s remarks are false. And this comment repeats it. When what he said was it was not proven correct by scientific standards. So clearly many people can’t tell the difference between a false statement and a statement not yet proven.
The chinese kept it quiet for 8 weeks. OUR ‘leaders’ kept this from the public a further two. But yeah, tell us how ‘caring’ trump is. Wow.
Thats not about hate from anyone! That is about a continuation of treason to the American people.
it’s a world wide conspiracy !
Just because you’re free to attack Trump in gross, salacious terms on this site doesn’t mean you are right either. In fact it would be evidence to the contrary. You seem to confuse pointing out stupidity in the ideas in comments with not being independent. What you really mean when you say that is that they are independent of variety of “nut fondleing” you want them to follow.
Industrial Disease definitely has a right to an opinion. Even though it is a crock of BS.
Really, it’s not.
Quora comment:
Why is Trump lying about the availability of masks and other protective gear for health professionals?
Jim Davis
Jim Davis, former Education Manager/Principal
Answered 1h ago
Donald Trump* believes that if he lies, people will behave in ways they would not behave if he hadn’t lied to them. He does it because it gives him power over situations, the ability to manipulate others. That’s really important to him because if he pitched his ideas in a straightforward way, nobody would go for them. He has a lot of stupid and un-American ideas. So what did he think he would achieve by lying about the masks and other protective gear?
His first round of lies was to poo poo the whole idea of a pandemic. “It’s not here,” he said. Once it was months too late to stop major outbreaks inside the US, the second round of lies was to minimize likely effects of the pandemic he had previously poo pooed. “It’s a flu,” he said. “It’ll die in warmer weather,” “like a miracle.” The matter of inadequate supplies of protective gear belongs to the third round of lies, founded on the delusion that we are in any way prepared to cope with the strain this will put on our healthcare system. And the number of lives that will be lost. “We’re ready,” he said, sounding tough. Well, that’s bullshit. (And of course, blaming it all on Obama runs through the entire Trump* lie cycle. But I digress.)
So why lie about the masks or the test kits or the vaccine, for that matter? It’s not for citizen safety. Citizen safety would require the actual masks, kits, or vaccine. It’s not for citizen awareness because none of it is true. No, Donald Trump* lied about the masks because the pandemic caught him with his pants down, and he’s afraid that if there isn’t nearly enough protective gear or test kits, it will make him look bad, like he’s done a poor job of handling the pandemic. Well, guess what. He has done an abysmal job of confronting the pandemic, and only his hardcore base can’t see the gross incompetence in play here.
So now we’re witnessing the fourth round of lies, the ones where Trump* tries to get everyone to believe that his previous unbroken string of fuck-ups never happened now that things are back on track. Well, guess what again. Because of all of Trump’s self-serving dilly-dallying, things are going to be off the rails for quite a while, in terms of both the economy and public health.
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Repeating spew is just more spew.
That’s twice now – very long winded posts that are someone else’s thoughts. I personally am more interested in original thoughts in the words of the commentator. Otherwise it comes across as disingenuous.
Here’s some of my true words…
“Don’t ever invite politics or religion into your house. Democrats always leave a mess and God only shows up when you least expect it!”
(Me)
Democrats don’t ever enter my house. They see an American flag waving on my front porch and they turn right around.
American flags have 50 stars, not 13.
Ok Alf, and please in the future, you must refrain from ever using any quotes, links, or opinions of others to make your point. That includes your Dear Leader’s words. Thank you.
He’s preparing for this pandemic to go on until November so he can cancel the election! All of you that believes Trump are bunch of dumb asses! Blindly following a fat, old idiot! But he’s a billionaire!
He’s probably fishing for some votes.
Tax payers are footing the bill and Trumpers are falling all over themselves praising him as if he is parting the waters for them. Pretty entertaining…
Billionaires must be idiots. They’re so stupid. That’s what they’re billionaires because of how dumb they are. Such idiots.
With trumps history of him raising from the ghettos of New York to being one of the most successful people in America and than be voted onto president with out being a politician or serving for the military, speaking his loud New Yorker mouth off with no one to right his speeches for him while being completely ridiculed, hated and demonized through propaganda from day one into office with zero support from the left and surviving a botched impeachment…..hell!, if he was black, gay or female he would be hailed a fuking iconic hero!
For who and what he is, I think he’s doing a pretty dam good job.
Hey Brian, bet you didn’t know that Trump “rose up from the ghettos of New York”, check this out.????
Cheerleaders are actually just synchronized groupies.
FOG, you aren’t serious, are you? From Investopedia which wrote a fawning biography of Trump: He grew up in “a two-story mock-Tudor home in Jamaica Estates, Queens. As a child, Donald went to Kew-Forest School in Forest Hills, Queens. Fred was on the Board of Trustees of the private school.”
His family had a limousine. Dang, I consider myself relatively well off and I’d like to fight my way up to his ghetto. (Well, actually, I wouldn’t trade Humboldt for New York nor my Toyota for a limousine but the money would be nice.)
Again I say, don’t confuse them with “Little Things” such as Truth & Facts!!!
Fact check: Trump raised up from a $200,000 a year allowance by the age of 3. Trump spent it down on a failed casino, and got bailed out. then he went on TV.
And actually the notion of “pullin yourself up by your bootstraps” to be a millionaire is pretty rare. Most wealth in America is inherited.
Average Americans don’t ever see enough wealth to even imagine what a million or billion dollars is.
If you spent $1.00 a second, you could spend a middle class annual income in one day. $86,400.
At $1/sec., you would take 11.5 days to spend 1 million dollars.
At 1$/sec. it would take 31.7 years to spend 1 billion dollars
(doesn’t Bezos have over a hundred billion?..before the divorce? what about his former wife, now the richest woman in the world? Lucky, or actually better/smarter than the rest of us?)
Also, if you earned a billion dollars ( 1,000,000,000) a year, and paid at a 99% rate, you would still have 10 million a year to spend.
??Hey GRILLED CHEESE on I mean Fog his grandfather started him a bank account in Germany so he could hide his I’ll gotten gains. His dad gave him a million dollars when he was around 10or 11 years old. You know all this because you’ve been told before [edit]
Anyone who thinks Trump was raised from poverty is pretty wrong. So much so I suspect the comment was made by a sock puppet to offer scope for bashing anyone not willing to be as virulently hateful to Trump as they are. They then promptly took their own cue to spew.
The comment was made by someone who frequently posts conservatively.
Money is no measure of intelligence. Money is no measure of empathy.
Smart Billionaires?
Ask Trump, the bankruptcy expert.
Corporations and the rich have hijacked our government, what do you think the big tax break was about.? Well shit, the republicans that passed it work for them, not us.
All the upcoming bailouts? A proposed 30 Trillion dollars? And we get a paltry thousand bucks?
Infrastructure, who needs that?
A healthcare system that’s not gouging Americans to death, literally? Who needs that?
Yes, Trump is part of that class. If any of you believe that Trump gives one fuck about you, you’re delusional.
If the democrats were handing out “free money” I’m sure your tone would change…..I thought liberals were all about free stuff? Who are the imbeciles?
Average cost of Covid-19 treatment: $36,000.
Andrew Yang was the first one talking about $1,000 checks, because there was a crisis before the pandemic. Mitt Romney was the first in congress talking about checks. About the time those two other Repubes were pulling their MILLIONS out of the stock market, while downplaying the risk in public.
The imbeciles are those that believe and hang on Trumps every lie and misstatement.
That would surprise me exactly this much!!!!
I acknowledge im digging in the corners a wee bit, but Kym, there are two national guards mentioned. Newsom said the state level would be temporary and focused on social infrastructure.
Will that continue to be the mission with the federal reservists under his authority? What is their term of engagement and their job assignement? Where will the state national guard go next?
I have been trying to find out with no luck. Hopefully, reporters with more pull than me will be asking those questions soon.
Trump sends the military, where’s the masks and the Covid-19 test kits you crooked liar trump??? Just like in the days of Hitler the new extreme right Republican insert hogwash political propaganda into everything they say. Then they angrily say they’re not Nazi Racists, but they clap and cheer when minorities are being persecuted by the Trump administration. FAKE FAKE FAKE CHRISTIANS, ALL OF THEM!!!
Perhaps you just twist what it is they are clapping for to suit your own agenda?
Or just looking for a place to insert some anti Christian hate? In the name of protecting brown people of course? I’m a little surprised cause so many brown people are Christians.
MLK it’s not the color of your skin it’s the content of your character.
Human & drugs traffickers have no character and calling people into their arms is not helpful.
Stop distracting law & order at the border and we could process immigrantes going through the process of coming legally much faster.
Why not push for that? What’s wrong with coming legally and being truly welcomed.
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Please check something other than CNN or MSNBC for news.
Nothing in your post was even close to correct, and not a Republican. People like you are why I can’t be a Democrat anymore.
Yeah,sure. When is this #WALKAWAY baloney going to end?
Possibly some time in the near future, providing of course they pull their collective heads out of their collective Rectums & see the light, of Day or anything else!!!
CNN is a fine organization.
The only one who convinced you otherwise can’t spell “corona”, thinks rakes stop forest fires, says the town of “Pleasure” (twice) while in “Paradise” touring fire damage, has been impeached, tweets more than a 13 year old girl, and doesn’t understand sentence structure.
CNN is damned fucking awesome.
CNN was telling us about Covid with live updates 3 weeks before calamity-Hannity was instructed to change his spin into “serious”.
Get real.
That’s why CNN is losing so many lawsuits…you know like the Sandman case.
And there are many more to come.
Since you seem to be an “EXPERT” you do know what an Expert is, right??? X, in Math stands for the Unknown, & a Spurt is a Drip under pressure, therefore an expert would be an “Unknown Drip Under Pressure”!!!!
His/ Her mind is made up!!!! Please Do Not Confuse them further with “Little Things” such as Truth & Facts!!! They do NOT understand anything except the Pablum Pinocchio pukes up on “Tweeter”!!!!
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnn/
“Overall, we rate CNN left biased based on editorial positions that consistently favors the left, while straight news reporting falls left-center through bias by omission. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to several failed fact checks by TV hosts. However, news reporting on the website tends to be be properly sourced with minimal failed fact checks.”
However, news reporting on the website tends to be be properly sourced with minimal failed fact checks.”
Maybe the left lies less.
Would you want to post their review of FOX, or should I?
Because thats the ideological spectrum.
****Here you go:
Overall, we rate Fox News strongly Right-Biased due to editorial positions and story selection that favors the right.
We also rate them Mixed factually and borderline Questionable based on poor sourcing and the spreading of conspiracy theories that later must be retracted after being widely shared.
Further, Fox News would be rated a Questionable source based on numerous failed fact checks by hosts and pundits, however straight news reporting is generally reliable, therefore we rate them Mixed for factual reporting.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news/
“Overall, we rate Fox News strongly Right-Biased due to editorial positions and story selection that favors the right. We also rate them Mixed factually and borderline Questionable based on poor sourcing and the spreading of conspiracy theories that later must be retracted after being widely shared. Further, Fox News would be rated a Questionable source based on numerous failed fact checks by hosts and pundits, however straight news reporting is generally reliable, therefore we rate them Mixed for factual reporting.”
I don’t watch either.
The “left” lies less? Like “The people of Libya and Syria are throwing off brutal dictators for democracy,” “The Russians invaded Crimea,” “The Russians are invading Ukraine and shooting down airliners,” “hands up, don’t shoot,” “Russia hacked the DNC server,” “Trump colluded with Russia to get elected,” “Zoellner is alt-right” “Tulsi is alt-right,” “Tulsi is a Russian asset,” “The Russians are supporting Bernie,” “gender is a social construct,”……. or just about anything coming out of Rachel Maddow’s mouth.
Both the right and the “left” lie. There is next to nothing worthwhile on cable or broadcast news.
You guys reveal who you are every time. Thanks for the reveal.
By “you guys,” you must mean skeptics who don’t align with Team Red or Team Blue.
CNN is a fine organization.
Don’t obfuscate the fact that FOX news viewers are continuously misinformed more than CNN.
Post Bush invasion of Iraq, FOX viewers actually thought we found weapons of mass destruction.
I think watching any talking head is dangerous. I read news.
I would cite CNN as a credible source far more than FOX.
And it’s a shame that someone with a poor factual history like Trump has convinced the gullible FOX viewers that FOX is the shit and CNN is the shits.
Is that a Trump tweet, or are you so clever you came up with that all by your big-bad yourself?
CNN blew their credibility long before Trump ran for President. There used to be a credible argument that CNN and MSNBC were better than Fox back in the Bush years, but no more. Even that’s damning with faint praise, since they were all on board with the Iraqi WMD fraud. Then they all got on board for the same neoliberal warmongering bullshit during the Obama years. They were all marching in lockstep with lies about Libya and Syria. CNN and MSNBC got worse than Fox when they embraced the “hands up, don’t shoot” lie and the “Russiagate” lies.
Yes, there were failures by CNN and others during Mueller’s investigation that doesn’t exonerate Trump of obstruction.
FOX during the Coronavirus has been much more misleading at a much more important time.
But that is standard.
Their interest is to make Trump look infallable and invaluable.
Responsible outlets are now choosing to not broadcast Trumps daily briefings because the amount of misinformation he spreads.
What news source would you recommend??? Something like totally biased & afactual such as Faux Spews??? (Fox, News????)
Wow, your hate is really out on full display… Keep on showing it though, much easier to avoid people when they show it like you are.
No hate on display during the whole Birth Certificate nonsense aimed at the previous administration by DJ himself!
Is it “hate” or disagreement? is it “stupid” or willfull ignorance?
??PBS.ORG
No check for you colleta!
roflmao … brilliant !
WELL said!!!!
As I remember things We had Ca. AG office pumping out as many lawsuits as every agency in Ca. could think of to hamper Trump with the goal of taking him down.
15 or more Dems running for president most of them in the Congress or Senate and many of them on intelligence and finance committees.
I don’t recall a single one of them enlightening the people of what was happening or suggesting a plan to deal with it although, at least 1 dem and 3 rinos were selling off their stock … many buying in the most lucrative telecom’s and such, to their advantage of course. ( insider trading )
Are you really going to tell me DIFI didn’t know about this virus?
She did suddenly disappear from public, and when she had to appear she did leave ASAP. ( along with her chinese driver the spy)
She had no obligation to tell anyone or get Gavin working on a plan??
Do you believe DIFI knew and didn’t tell Nancy Pelosi?
All while trying to destroy a president that donates his salary to wounded vets and opiate recovery. Just cause he’s so greedy and self serving to hear some people tell it.
As I type SF is neck deep in corrupt contracts through a London Breed hired person selling contracts to Chinese investors being exposed in SFgate and the Chron. (For kickbacks of course.)
Then we have Joe and Hunter.
Haven’t heard a single Dem here complain about that,
and the Dems continue to pretend their poop don’t stink.
Joe ain’t the only one with a faulty memory!
Both sides have their Hero’s and Zero’s
I think this is the first time I have ever heard him speak like a president.
Isn’t it fascinating how just a few months ago there was such hatred for the President because he wanted to stop thousands of people from crossing our borders illegally. It was unknown what kind of diseases they might bring with them, not to mention the increased possibility of crime. Now, he is being hated for not securing the borders securely enough soon enough, after, of course, criticizing him first for closing it too soon. I guess the wind just changed direction and with it the focus is on hate, no matter the situation.
Trump has earned every bit of criticism ( you like to say hate, it makes him a poor victim) that is pointed his way. Every bit.
The Dems are truly sick people. You’re exactly right. Their pathological contradictions are sickening. CNN was calling it the Chinese Virus a month ago now they’re screaming Racist. These people are sick. Absolutely no morals or love for our country.
Agreed 250% The Rethuglicans fit that description PERFECTLY!!!!
Spread the hate!
I think Dan is wrong but…he was reacting to someone spewing about Democrats. Possibly if you meant this for both of them you could make that more clear.
Are you serious? These are things that were said in 2015. All false then and still false now. You don’t decide who and who does not love this country. Period. You don’t set the bar and commence to accuse.
I’d contend that it’s very unamerican of you to judge people that dont fawn over the President*. It’s a free country, right? Free Speech !!!! Isn’t that what you Repub shout from the rooftops?? I find it very unAmerican of you. You can’t have it both ways.
??Now we’re in for the real Outbreak movie. He sent the Federal National Guard to three of the state’s he knows he’s going to lose in the upcoming election to boost his ratings and to push his agenda on immigration. Which all three states disagree with him on.??
Oh Willy, you have finally done it. This is the perfect example of 2020 Dem agenda. Please everybody read this.!
He makes perfect sense to me. Dem agenda? What’s that? The attempt to minimize the damage Trump keeps creating?
Finally found something we agree about. I do think you really believe that.
??That’s not me but then why is ” not my potus ” moving trump.org to Florida?
Day 417 of quarantine: The virus was worse than we expected. It has moved on to all plant life. Food resources are getting low. I’m still wondering why in the hell I have all this toilet paper?
Funny you are going off my timeline from yesterday. An incessant troll with a small brain who cannot think of anything original to say. Without any sources to quote, your capacity for insult shows how childish you truly are. Original thought? I think not!
Day 25
The prisoner wants his mommy.
Unfortunately his breaking the quarantine spread the disease further.
She is patient 47,097 and in need of a ventilator.
Really shows your character. I make a joke and you hate me so much that you can’t help but fantasize about the Nat’l Guard beating me and imprisoning me. Shows what you would do to anyone who challenged your ideas if you were a leader. Then you go one step farther and actually wish potential death on my mother. I hope Kym leaves that comment on here so people can see what a truly irreprehensible piece of shit you are. And if Kym edits my comment she had better edit yours as well, I think calling him the piece of shit that he is is just fine for him wishing death on my mom.
Excuse me. Yesterday your joke was about beating an old woman.
Today my joke is that fucking around on this can affect you.
I’ll make it clear to you: I wish you and your family health and security.
I’ll also make it clear that your joke sucked, and I can play ball on many different fields.
You’re generally very inaccurate and that is why I pick on you.
I don’t know, I’m worried about you trusting the ol 1911. complicated, better have two
I thought liberals were all about letting prisoners go? I thought they were all about no time for “victimless” crimes? I thought they were against capital punishment? O wait…… now it’s the Republicans fault! Lmfao! See people how they flip flop there agendas into blame? Classic Liberal play. Classic.
And you think Trump “rose from the ghettos”.
Obviously, a lot of your thoughts are wrong.
I’d say your a little FOGgy on truthful matters.
Um, growing up,raised and schooled in the Jamaican suburb ghettos of queens doesn’t qualify???? Maybe you should read some history…..there not thoughts Brian, there facts. Maybe you should use them sometimes. Use your real brain…
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Trump was born and raised in Queens, a borough of New York City, and received a bachelor’s degree in economics from the Wharton School.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump
The Wharton School or simply Wharton) is the business school of the University of Pennsylvania, a private Ivy League university in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Established in 1881 through a donation from Joseph Wharton, the Wharton School is the world’s oldest collegiate school of business.[3]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wharton_School_of_the_University_of_Pennsylvania
Must have been rough.
Maybe the ghetto life gave him his bone spurs too, huh? Life in the ghetto.
The difference is stark. You are a worthless imbecile who wishes death on someone’s family for making a joke. I wish nothing but health and prosperity to everyone, even those who think differently. You wish beatings, imprisonment, and death on the families of those who think differently. You sound like a true communist.
You opening your mouth shows you are cracking, almost on the verge of pure psychosis. The fact you wish death on someone’s family demonstrates a truly perverted state of mind. One that fantasizes about beating the opposition and imprisoning them, a kind that truly oozes hatred.
I think you know I didn’t wish ill on you or your family.
I even said I don’t wish this virus on Trump, a week ago.
But with the thread gone, I just still want you to know I don’t wish this bug on anyone including you or your family.
I’ll apologize for bringing the reality too close to home for you.
Apparently it wasn’t passing Kym’s ethics test. ( though I’m confused about day 24 deletion) So maybe I owe you an apology.
Sorry to you, for that, 1911.
Cool.
You’re a dick. (I know kym, I know. Someone needs to say it, and I hope you let it stay up long enough for him to see it, if he can basically say people are stroking balls, I can call him a member)
It doesn’t bother me a bit to be called names. Kym knows it.
I don’t whine and cry like the anti-PC crowd who apparently are the most PC crowd.
The Trump cheerleading don’t quit.
We are under-resourced, late to respond, in bad shape while the economy is nose-diving. And the cheerleaders keep going.
It’s like the cheerleading group had their poms taken and uniforms shit on, they all look at each other and say, “Give me a T…”.
Post game they huddle in their shit covered outfits and discuss how the other teams coach is a meany-criminal who somehow was the one to give them their shit covered uniforms.
Also, this one person will string together a few comments as a few different “people” , all agreeing and backing “eachother “up. This person has done it for years on loco and here. Doesn’t matter if you call him on it, just keeps doing it, has a million IP addresss to use. It’s pathetic, but maybe they’re getting paid. Even though Kym runs a tight ship, they conform just enough to to be able to comment here. On Loco it’s a free-for-all.
It’s probably one or two people tops. If you think these threads and Loco S aren’t crawling with paid trolls, think again. They’re easy to spot. They just repeat the same talking points over and over and over. It’s about disruption. I don’t even know what Kym could do about it other than knowing who a person really is, like me. They’re relentless, it’s a daily battle. At some point I’m checking out and they can have this sites comment sections. Read locos comment sections. Some of the foulest trolling and Loco allows it. The paid trolls will cry free speech. Watch the reaction I get from this post.
Just watch what Chuck & Nancy are doing this morning. The Dems & Repubs had a deal worked out together. Then Chuck & Nancy came back to DC. Now Nancy wants to start creating her own plan. Start Now Nancy? Where have you been? What have you BEEN doing?
Hey Nancy this is not the time for your green new deal.
I think Californians will be stunned by how many walk a ways there will be when small businesses and families realize Nancy & Chuck are the reason they are not getting help until Nancy feels like it.
Shame on you Nancy.
Everyone should call Washington or her local office and b*itch like hell.
She wants to take the credit for “free money”. Plain n simple.it will turn into the “democrats plan”. Watch. Liars n thieves.
The thieves are the corporations that they are bailing out. The Dems want more money for “the people”.
When are you going to realize that your dear Republican House and Senators ARE NOT WORKING FOR YOU. THEY ARE WORKING FOR THE CORPORATIONS AND BILLIONAIRES.
So while you are saying petty bullshit about the Dems the Republicans WANT YOU TO HAVE LESS.
If she just wants more money for the people why is she starting to create HER plan now and not weeks ago? She’s trying to sit on Trump success just like she sat on the impeachment for weeks after calling it an emergency. She was really really busy tanning in the Caribbean.
It was a big fail!
But this time when it costs people their lives and businesses
they won’t take it lightly.
We’re not stupid.
And you think Trump “rose from the ghettos” That is exactly the problem!!!! The CONservatives (read Not SO Thinly Disguised CRIMINALS) don’t think they just gobble up the PABLUM that #NOTMYPOTUS spews!!!
Did u not read my post Dan?
They read and listen to talking points and perceptions meant to have them come here and say exactly what they say.
Trouble is they run into people here that don’t buy it.
It took 67 days from the 1st reported case to reach the first 100K cases, 11 days for the second 100K & just 4 days for the third 100K”-
https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1242117911306698752?s=20
Caution: Math and Statements by the WHO might be considered panic-mongering by a couple people here.
https://www.wired.com/story/everything-you-need-to-know-about-coronavirus-testing/
There are estimates that 1% of the population may have the virus. That’s 70 million people. If tests continue and infection stops the test will show a 200 fold increase in cases without a single new infection.
while percentages of fatalities halve every four to five days
That would mean no one died starting last week.
Cool story bro. Is it a Dr. Suess?
Of course. Nobody is claiming that the current 70.8% US death rate among closed cases literally means that 70.8% of cases are going to die. It’s a statistical artifact peculiar to the fact that survived cases take longer to be confirmed as such.
Deaths would continue also. A week ago we had had roughly 7000 deaths worldwide. Today, one week later, we’re over 14,000 deaths. In one week, roughly, more people died than died in all the previous months that COVID-19 has been present. How many deaths will there be a week from now?
If infections stopped today, by the accepted statistical model, deaths would continue for approximately 3 weeks+. 14 days to show symptoms and 8 days from symptoms to death.
Yes. I feel like we’re talking past each other.
Maybe I misunderstood your post. You said, “If tests continue and infection stops the test will show a 200 fold increase in cases without a single new infection.” I took that to mean that you were saying that more tests are causing the rising numbers (which of course they are).
I was pointing out that deaths though were increasing at a similarly fast rate. So one could extrapolate from the rate the deaths are rising, even if we discount the tests, that the virus is spreading quickly and having deadly results.
It means that 3 weeks ago the virus was spreading quickly. We won’t know for another 3 weeks if actions today have stymied the rate of spread.
We could easily see a doubling in fatalities while the infection “rate” goes up by an order of magnitude. Ultimately this starts to show the mortality rate is decreasing not increasing.
We are a long way from having the data to arrive at a valid mortality rate. That’s going to have to wait at least until there’s a steady state between new and closed cases, and there is a solid estimate of the ratio between infections and known cases.
Be careful to distinguish between the number of cases (confirmed, known) and the infection rate (statistical estimate).
Definitely. That has been assertion for weeks now. People keep pushing numbers as if they are known facts but fail to assert the caveat, or fail to understand, the dynamics of the equation.
At this time the infection rate and mortality rate are unknown quantities.
The number of deaths, the number of recovered and the number of positive cases against tests administered are the only hard numbers at the moment.
Where did you get those numbers from? The incubation period seems on the long side.
Up to 14 days to show symptoms and, for those that die, an average of 8 days from symptoms to death.
Of course there will be more deaths. I’m just not sure what your objection is to Ullr’s statement. Nor is there any non-political purpose to TRB’s demand that everyone pay attention to his version of statistics. The issue is understanding what the stats mean. The panic-mongering comes from not understanding that the rate of death are not a valid stat until the universe sampled includes everyone, not just those hospitalized. Which is simply not available in WHO stats because they are created by scientists not allowed to guesstimate the universe at this time.
There is a scientific technique for that but it won’t be available for over a year. https://www.umsl.edu/~lindquists/sample.html
It is not trivializing the situation to point out that TRB does not seem to think the universe from which data matters. It totally matters. What he says is like say the chance of dying each year in a car crash is 10% because 10% of people injured in crashes die In reality not everyone crashes their car each year. And a lot of people with fender benders aren’t injured at all and don’t even report them. When you take the whole universe of drivers, then you might find that only a hundredth a percent of all (mark that all) drivers die in car crashes.
It’s the same with these stats. They say that the mortality rate of confirmed positives of covid-19 is such and such a percent. The people who get sick and never get tested are not included nor are the people who never get it. That is why the death rate drops as the sample universe is expanded to include people who aren’t sick or sick enough to get tested. It’s just asthmatic, not some right wing lie. I don’t know why the idea being raised creates such an emotional reaction. Do people really want it to be worse?
Well that’s not quite right either. The universe doesn’t include non sick peoole for WHO stats. It includes everyone who get the virus even if their symptoms are so mild that they never contact a medical provider. That figure is only derived by sampling later. Like the flu stats.
I wasn’t talking about deaths/infection rate. I was talking about deaths speeding up. It’s a different number and one grounded solidly in what is happening in real life not in estimates.
Of course you were exactly talking rates- “deaths speeding up” is the same accelerating death rate.
The importance of this is to know how to minimize the cost to society. If covid-19 is extremely contagious but it’s death rate is not extremely high, then is a population better served by getting it over with, up to the limit of the hospitals to cope with it of course, and then moving back to a good, normal economy rather than crippling the economy for months on end trying to keep people from getting sick who are going to get sick as soon as the extreme restrictions are removed anyway? Because few people can or will stay in self imposed isolation for long periods. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/asia/hong-kong-coronavirus-quarantine-intl-hnk/index.html
The answer to that has to do with the death rate. The horror stories about Italy has to do mostly with demographics and hospital capacity. If Italy is done with it’s mass infection in a month and the survivors are back to their normal lives because most people have immunity and the virus no longer can wreak mass death on them, are they in long term better shape than say places who kept the disease carefully in check but find that it comes back immediately the minute they relax. Are the death rates the same say in two years? It may seem callous but deciding on maintaining extreme measures to keep any one disease at bay may end up causing more death and misery in the end. I don’t know the answer but those who do think about such things should not be forced to take the wrong path by politicking.
Guest, I think you misunderstood. There is a difference between deaths per infection and deaths doubling. Because we don’t have enough tests, we don’t know how many infections there are and thus the numbers derived by looking at deaths per infections are shaky. But the amount of time it takes for deaths to double is a relatively solid number that can be trusted. From December to March 15, we had around 6000 deaths worldwide. From March 16 to March 23, the deaths rose to around 16,500. In a week, we more than doubled the number of deaths that had existed previously. That is what the experts have predicted would happen. And it indicates we are likely going to see a large number of deaths if we can’t slow the spread.
Ok. I do not misunderstand but I can see this semantics argument is going nowhere. So, retrenching, looking at your idea of doubling deaths (had to correct myself from typing “rate” because this is the same thing phrased differently) , if 1 person dies one week and the next week 2 died, the deaths are doubled. Is the country to shut down because the deaths doubled or is it important to note whether that was 1 or 2 people out of 20, which is what TRB keeps suggesting, or 1 or 2 out of a thousand or even 1 or 2 people out of 100,000 or even 1 or 2 out of a million? Not that every death doesn’t have meaning but the urgency and extremity of the government reacting, the assigning resources or willingness to create collateral damage for a society is guided the relative number of deaths to the population, not the absolute number. So yes, even though you insist that it is absolute numbers you are talking about , understanding the limitations in determining effected population size matters. Would you risk the lives of many to save 1 or 2 because you can count them and you can’t count the many? Or do you immediately ask “how many?”
Those who understand infectious diseases tell us that until we get a handle on this, the deaths will continue to raise very quickly. One of the ways to get a handle is to practice social distancing. Now, the cost to the economy is immense. So if we were only talking one or two deaths, we know the suffering caused by the economic fallout would be so great that the price is too high to shut down the whole country. But when we’re looking at 2.2 million in the US alone which is what the London study estimated, and those deaths have economic fallout, too. Then I believe the cost is well worth it. I think it is worth it for 200,000 deaths in the US. You may feel differently.
Everything you said applies to every virus in history from H1N1 to influenza.
And therefore you might not trust data on any virus.
Many people aren’t diagnosed, the numbers relate to diagnosed cases.
It’s all quite relative.
The formula for close to precise region case/fatality formulas is on WorldoMeters, which works with the WHO.
However, it also explains the difficulties of this being exact die to it being ongoing and fluid.
Thanks for your love.
From your own linked site “Importantly, in emerging viral infection outbreaks the case-fatality ratio is often overestimated in the early stages because case detection is highly biased towards the more severe cases.” And “But while an epidemic is still ongoing, as it is the case with the current novel coronavirus outbreak, this formula is, at the very least, “naïve” and can be “misleading if, at the time of analysis, the outcome is unknown for a non negligible proportion of patients.” ” Which is all everyone has been telling you- that what you insist is certain, is not. The death rate won’t be certain for at least a year but will certainly be less than is given now . It will keep dropping from the 10% you started alleging until it is scientifically estimate as best as humanly possible.
You didn’t read it correctly.
Or, you’re attempt at falsifying is failing.
Your chosen quote relates to simply dividing the death rate by today’s case load.
It goes on to say that for more accurate readings, you must use the case load of 8 days previous.
Your not that slick, slick.
And I’ve not ever said it was 10% CFR. I’ve said 1%-7%, depending on region.
I think you’re straw-manning TRB. His argument was not about the overall death rate.
If you look at 2009 h1n1 wikipage, you’ll see that the mortality rate was greatly underestimated during the pandemic.
The pendulum swings both ways.
In June 2012, a model based study was published finding that the number of deaths related to the H1N1 influenza may have been fifteen times higher than the reported laboratory confirmed deaths….
A WHO-supported 2013 study estimated that the 2009 global pandemic respiratory mortality was ~10-fold higher than the World Health Organization’s laboratory-confirmed mortality count (18.631).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic
Or that the H1N1 flu might have actually been as bad as corvid-19? But the EHO didn’ know? Gasp! Are you agreeing with those who said this is like the flu back? Which is what started this kerfuffle in the first place…
There would easily be reasonable ways to compare Covid to the flu.
Unfortunately that was not the nature of Trump, Hannity or the like.
That was a misinformed, dangerous downplaying
of the details and reality at hand.
*Remember 3 days ago, you faught me tooth and nail when I said, ” In 8 days we will have at least 18,000 deaths, but likely much more”?
Well it has only been 3 days, we’re at 18,000 deaths already.
So I’ll check in with you on the 8th day.
There are vaccines for the flu, there are people who are already immune so they make little roadblocks that keep the flu from spreading. The Novel Coronavirus hasn’t been around before so there aren’t any people who are immune acting as roadblocks. Also, the deaths from flu are still happening. They didn’t just magically quit.
“In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 36 million illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).”
We’ve “only” had 16,381 deaths so far this year from COVID-19. But COVID-19 appears to be at least twice as infectious as the flu. Plus, because this is a new virus, there isn’t any knowledge about how it will behave. Normally the flu tapers off in March and April. There’s no evidence that the Coronavirus is doing the same.
And, the Coronavirus is in addition to the flu. So likely the numbers of those with the flu that end up in the hospital will be the same, but then, added to them, will be those with the Coronavirus which will strain our health care system. This has and likely will cause more deaths than warranted if the health care system was large enough to care for everyone.
This is a really good explanation of why COVID-19 is so much more worrying than the flu: https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html
18 people died from influenza in Italy today.
700 died from Covid in Italy today.
With lockdowns around the country and the virus centered in a minority of regions.
100% of population is exposed to flu.
Under 5% of population exposed to Covid.
Differences 101.
You’re pulling numbers out of… thin air. You don’t know what percentage of the population is exposed to flu nor exposed to coronavirus.
If you’re going to use numbers be disciplined with them and shoot for accuracy. Otherwise you just invalidate any point you’re trying to make.
18 a day from flu in all Italy from influenza is fact. You’ll have to find Italys influenza numbers, and use some math.
Covid infections @ 375,000 today ÷ 7 bill.=
.005%
I assume many undiagnosed cases so I know saying under 5% was accurate and generous.
So you’re problem must be with the influenza stat.
100% of the population is not infected each year, the idea is that over the period of influenzas time on earth, it has reached 100% of the population.
Maybe less, but not much, is there a population of the world that has never had influenza that your aware of?
“100% of population is exposed to flu.
Under 5% of population exposed to Covid.”
You’re making numbers up.
Do you have evidence that more than 5% of population has been infected by Covid Ullr?
Nope, nor do you have evidence for 5%.
“Anyone with a brain cell” can see I wrote “under 5%” which is a gross inflation of the evidence at hand.
So yes, there is evidence for “under 5%.”
Link evidence for your <5% and 100% numbers.
Are you kidding?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
378,000 documented cases.
Call it a million if you want.
Call it 5 million for margin of error.
When formulated against the world population it’s far “under 5%”.
Good lord.
Even at 10 million it’s under 1% of the population.
Influenza touched 1/3 the population in 1918 alone.
Those are tested cases. You’re asserting numbers without including a massive caveat of the unknown. China could have had easily 800k cases or 8 million but without the tests it is unknown. To present numbers like that with certainty is a lie.
The global rate could be anywhere from 0.005% to orders of magnitude more.
Ullr,
.005 is “under 5%”.
And 5% is “magnitudes more” than .005%.
Are you disagreeing to agree?
If infection stops?
What?
A couple weeks ago you implied the virus has an odometer.
Now you think it has a self-imposed infection-cap of 70 million people?
Neat.
The article address a lot of your obfuscating of recent.
-Namely why testing is/was important.
-The high potential of high fatality percentages.
-why it’s important to “flatten the curve” for resource management.
And more. But all you take from it now is “if it stops”.
This is more obfuscating from you.
The article is also a week old, addressing its uncertainty to what caseload we may have.
No. Just no.
Try reading comprehension. I did not say nor imply that infections are suddenly go to stop. I thought you were smarter than that.
So your point was that when infections stop cases will still rise for a time.
Ok. I think most everyone that your talking to knows that….but thanks.
I’m looking forward to that magical day!
Again, try reading comprehension. If you’re confused ask a pertinent question and I’ll try to answer. Whatever you do, please stop misrepresenting what I typed. Sometimes it is hard to tell if you do it out of ignorance or maliciousness.
More obfuscating.
I relayed the message a few of us have been saying about growth rate, this message from WHO.
You replied to me with a statement that obfuscates my comment by saying our numbers will still increase even “when infections stop.”
Your continued attempts at downplaying this are silly and obvious.
“when infections stop.”
That’s not what I said. You either fail at comprehension or you’re maliciously misrepresenting.
https://kymkemp.com/2020/03/22/president-trump-sends-national-guard-to-california-washington-and-new-york/#comment-1010622
If tests continue and infection stops…
Are you being impersonated or…..?
First apply context. Second ” if” and “when” have entirely different meanings. Anyone applying a brain cell can read that I presented an unlikely hypothetical for the sake of statistical illustration. It’s called a thought experiment.
Which means you didn’t need to fight me beyond this comment:
https://kymkemp.com/2020/03/22/president-trump-sends-national-guard-to-california-washington-and-new-york/#comment-1010856
So what? Once you put in the condition that “infection stops” it becomes a meaningless exercise not tethered to reality.
The WHO also said this, from Twitter.
Do you know the difference between stating no clear evidence that something is happening and stating that something is not happening?
And it looks like about 2.5 days for the next 100,000.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
This has been quite an interesting read I will admit. It seems to me that no politician is responsible for this virus and no one but we the people can slow the spread of it. I’m sixty four years old so there is a chance that it could kill me if I contract it. We are all in this together. Think globally but act locally. We will get through this together no matter the cost
No politician is responsible for the virus.
That is absolutely true. But.
Every politician is responsible for their response and handling of the pandemic.
https://youtu.be/uy7pbJ2jvMo
Test
??South Korea is 1/4 the size of California and they test 19,000 people a day, what’s wrong with us??
Why this Nobel laureate predicts a quicker coronavirus recovery: ‘We’re going to be fine’
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Michael Levitt, a Nobel laureate and Stanford biophysicist, began analyzing the number of COVID-19 cases worldwide in January and correctly calculated that China would get through the worst of its coronavirus outbreak long before many health experts had predicted.
Now he foresees a similar outcome in the United States and the rest of the world.
While many epidemiologists are warning of months, or even years, of massive social disruption and millions of deaths, Levitt says the data simply don’t support such a dire scenario — especially in areas where reasonable social distancing measures are in place.
“What we need is to control the panic,” he said. In the grand scheme, “we’re going to be fine.”
Here’s what Levitt noticed in China: On Jan. 31, the country had 46 new deaths due to the novel coronavirus, compared with 42 new deaths the day before.
Although the number of daily deaths had increased, the rate of that increase had begun to ease off. In his view, the fact that new cases were being identified at a slower rate was more telling than the number of new cases itself. It was an early sign that the trajectory of the outbreak had shifted.
Think of the outbreak as a car racing down an open highway, he said. Although the car is still gaining speed, it’s not accelerating as rapidly as before.
“This suggests that the rate of increase in the number of deaths will slow down even more over the next week,” Levitt wrote in a report he sent to friends Feb. 1 that was widely shared on Chinese social media. And soon, he predicted, the number of deaths would be decreasing every day.
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The rest of the story here:
https://news.yahoo.com/why-nobel-laureate-predicts-quicker-210318391.html
Social distancing is going to have a positive impact for sure. Hopefully Trump doesn’t choose economy over wisdom.
But boy was Levitt wrong huh?
This suggests that the rate of increase in the number of deaths will slow down even more over the next week,” Levitt wrote in a report he sent to friends Feb. 1 that was widely shared on Chinese social media. And soon, he predicted, the number of deaths would be decreasing every day.
I agree, most of us will be fine if we continue to flatten the curve. Many will not.
What is going to happen this fall is what I wonder about.
Some other fun reading:
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20181023-the-places-that-escaped-the-spanish-flu