Great Redwood Trail Hits One-Third Mark; Town Hall Tackles Funding, Safety, and Encampments

a rendering of what the Eel River trail segment will look like, from the agency's website

A rendering of what the Eel River trail segment will look like, from the agency’s website.

Senator Mike McGuire described the one-third completion of the Great Redwood Trail (GRT) as a “major milestone” during an online town hall event that included questions on funding, wildfire risks and addressing homeless encampments.

The Great Redwood Trail Agency is developing and managing the expansive northern section of the trail corridor and Elaine Hogan, its executive director, said the ambitious trail project will be “a game-changer for rural economies,” with over $100 million a year in revenue generation for the North Coast region.

Interest in the GRT runs high and the Aug. 12 town hall’s online attendance peaked at about 2,000 people.

McGuire highlighted the recent opening of the southern segment of the Humboldt Bay Trail, which now spans 14 miles between the cities of Arcata and Eureka.

A future phase will connect it to College of the Redwoods.

Openings of new trail segments in Willits and Ukiah are set for 2026, adding to what’s mapped as a 320-mile contiguous trail from the San Francisco Bay area to Humboldt Bay.

During a question and answer period, an Eel River rafting enthusiast asked about how maintenance of the rugged northern section of the trail will be funded and managed.

Hogan differentiated between the maintenance costs of the North Coast Railroad Authority (NCRA), the former manager of the corridor, and the trail agency.

Much of the northern segment will be low-maintenance “back country” gravel trail.

“We’re not trying to bring a train through the Eel River Canyon,” Hogan said. “We’ve had lots of proof that that did not work and was not economically feasible … having a small backcountry trail, we’re looking at significantly less maintenance costs than you would have seen.”

A notable funding source is Proposition 4, a voter-approved $10 billion bond for a variety of projects, including trails development and maintenance.

Hogan said her agency has secured an “ongoing operations budget for the next several fiscal years with strong state support.”

Projects funded by Prop. 4 may be exempt from California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) reviews and there was a question about potential environmental impacts.

“Regardless of how any new CEQA exemptions may or may not apply to segments of our trail, our commitment remains the same – clean up the corridor, protect cultural resources, and restore the land in partnership with the people who know and care for it the best,” Hogan said.

The deteriorating former rail line was referred to as a “toxic mess,” with McGuire describing the NCRA as a bankrupt agency that “ could give two flips about what’s out there environmentally.”

Asked about the “opposition” to the trail by landowners and tribes, Hogan said input from them is “already shaping the project” and are included as recommendations in the trail’s master plan.

“Our next steps are turning those commitments into action together,” she continued, including contracting with tribes for protection of cultural resources and “co-management agreements.”

Answering a question about potential wildfires related to trail use, McGuire said the state has worked with fire chiefs’ associations on purchasing “quick attack engines” that are “perfect for a quick attack when it comes to a small brush fire, to be able to get that out quickly.”

The state has also “significantly beefed up Cal Fire resources throughout the whole north coast region,” he continued.

Hogan described trail development as “an opportunity to strengthen our rural public safety infrastructure and bring resources to the north coast, not to deplete already-taxed resources.”

Her agency “will also have its own trained staff that are stationed out there as wilderness first responders and perhaps will become members of the volunteer fire departments,” she continued, adding that “the trail itself can also serve as a firebreak.”

On addressing homeless camps, McGuire said the GRT Agency is “taking this issue incredibly seriously,” planning for outreach, referring people to services and clean-ups.

Hogan said the agency will “partner with community-based organizations and local businesses” on the outreach and referrals.

Also during the town hall, trail extensions between Arcata and Manila, and from the Arcata skate park area to water district pump stations on West End Road were described as being in progress.

Answering another question, Hogan said there will be campgrounds every eight miles along the trail.

A potential flipside of economic development was brought up when a Garberville resident asked about whether residents will be “priced out of their communities” due to the trail.

Saying it’s “a really important question,” McGuire said rural areas “have been under-invested” and “we know, throughout the world, these trails are huge economic drivers especially for rural parts of the country or the state they exist in.”

Hogan said her agency will “listen to those rural artisans and back-to-the-landers who have been here for generations” and see if things like “farm-to-table dining and low impact camping” can offer new income for them.

A final project completion date hasn’t been determined but trail segments will be developed in stages over the next 20 years and McGuire concluded by saying, “We’re gonna do this right, not fast.”

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Friday
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9 months ago

dodge & weave

Paul
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Paul
9 months ago
Reply to  Friday

Thanks TRG. Janky. Never heard it before. Had to look it up.

Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
9 months ago
Reply to  Friday

Smoke and mirrors — lots of hype but few, if any, solid details.

It’s disingenuous at best to claim 1/3 buildout — the Bay Trail, the SMART row, and segments near Willits, Ukiah and Healdsburg were already built or slated to be built with or w/o the GRT.

The real purpose of the GRT Boondoggle is to hype the political career of lame duck Senator McGuire who is currently running for State Controller as a stepping stone to Governor.

McGuire is hoping to get elected Governor before the GRT boondoggle house of cards collapses as it inevitably will.

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

The planned and built trails will be part of the GRT, whoever builds them.

As for your claims about the senator’s motives, source?

Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
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Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
9 months ago
Reply to  Korina42

The planned and built trail is the path you follow to the money. The money that pays liberals to trash the campsites. That’s why we’ve never had unmonitored campsites in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Full stop.
I’ma keep going
I don’t see any provisions for fresh milk, or perhaps Half and half for the Liberals, or full cream for the Men, let alone provisions for a trailer site with WiFi and sewerage dumps every 8 miles.
Where’s the fuckin Applebee’s?!
How am I supposed to get the poon’toon boat out over that dilapidated bridge in the AI depiction?

Lone ranger
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Lone ranger
9 months ago
Reply to  Friday

Who is paying for this? Hopefully not us taxpayers.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
9 months ago

Expand that rendering and you can see a couple of really dangerous looking places where there are numerous noticable missing planks and obvious pitfalls…

What an odd janky way of portraying our proposed section’s rendition of the Great Redwood Trail…

Friday
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9 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

True. I guess my comment was a bit obtuse, though. I was referring to the proponent’s inability or refusal to directly answer the questions put to her.

Bozo
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Bozo
9 months ago

>”Great Redwood Trail 1/3 complete”
(Hmm… kinda odd that the trail won’t go through Redwoods.)

It is a 320 mile trail. So… 108 miles is complete ! That is a massive victory !
Roll out the parades !

When finished 100 million income for the North Coast !
Get the banks ready to accept the $40 million dollars additional income !

Yee hah !!!

Pedro De Pacas
Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Bozo

About fifteen years back me and a couple buddies walked the tracks from Reynolds Highway to the 101/162 junction. That section of NWPRR follows Outlet Creek, and there were tons of redwoods. No old-growth, of course, but it was really, really fun. I was actually shocked at how friendly and unconcerned all the property owners whose backyards butt up to the RR were. We were expecting to get jammed up by at least one NIMBY, but the worst that happened was I got bit by a horsefly. Stunning old tunnels and trestles, and an old hippy chick who had a bicycle that was repurposed into a handcar.
I’ve actually walked every mile of NWPRR between Healdsburg and Hwy 162, except the stretch between Redwood Valley and South Willits, all of it beautiful, but the Outlet Creek section was the most memorable. Always wanted to do the Eel River Valley part, but we always had to keep it to day hikes and that’s a long haul through to Alderpoint.

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Dirt Hippy
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Dirt Hippy
9 months ago

This is one of the best things to happen to the Northern California lately. It’s sad to see all the trolls naysaying and making negative comments about it.

when the eureka to Arcata trail was being proposed and built all the trolls were going on about what a waste of money it would be and all the bad things that would happen.

Well guess what, the eureka to Arcata section has turned out to be a massive success. I see so many people using it everyday. The rest of the trail will be just as successful. It will be world renowned and bring in millions of dollars and jobs to rural areas that really could use the economic boost.

Mr. Clark
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9 months ago
Reply to  Dirt Hippy

Naysayers? How about reality. It took three years for the Eureka to arcata road to be put in. And they claim this one is 1/3 done. What a load of horse shit. Their definition of done; old railroad tracks, follow it. That track has sixty years of roundup residue, 120 years of creasote soke ties, and now its covered in tickweed. It is not done.

old guy
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old guy
9 months ago
Reply to  Dirt Hippy

They should pave and yellow line the whole trail like Eureka><Arcata. 320 miles of success!

Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
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Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
9 months ago
Reply to  Dirt Hippy

How self centered of you.
I DONT LIKE TO WALK!
The fact that other people, including foreign nationals, might enjoy this just makes it all worse.

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
9 months ago
Reply to  Dirt Hippy

That’s not the section people are harping about. Nobody was really against the bay portion except a handful of the same trolls. It’s those far-off parts around, say Island Mountain, collapsed and unsafe tunnels, and near Confusion Hill where the rail bed doesn’t even exist anymore, that’s going to be the problem. Also, trail maintenance isn’t free. You can say you have 50,000 volunteers (because paying them costs $) to do the work, but how many will show up for a work party? A lot of things said by people who do such things are getting called naysayers. And how exactly is a rural area going to get an economic boost on the levels that we need to maintain our shops and stores up here? You will need to charge fees for that. Eureka and the county struggle just to keep potholes fixed. Where are you getting the money and dedicated manpower? Those are real things you have to figure out NOW, not when part of the trail slides into the river. Again. You live in a bit of a fantasy world. Everything else is just hype.

Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
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Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
9 months ago

THIS IS AMERICA!
some things are difficult. The last thing we’re going to do is waste money on following through on something difficult. It rarely works out. I’m not even going to enjoy it, so why should some stranger? Shut it down.

Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
9 months ago

“Everything else is just hype.”

You’ve nailed it.

There is no plan to address the physical barriers to construction in the Eel River canyon, no plan to build or maintain campgrounds every eight miles, no plan to address fire danger, bum camps, trespass or any other issue

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

They’re working on it. Sheesh, the GRTA has only existed for three years, and you know the speed of bureaucracy. They can’t design the entire trail in minute detail; they’re doing the smart thing and going after the easier sections first, and they’ll figure out the trickier bits when it’s time.

This isn’t the first backcountry trail to ever be built, just like it’s not the first rail trail ever; the process has been figured out over decades.

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
9 months ago

To add that McGuire’s comment about the NCRA not giving a damn about the trail? Well they can’t. They haven’t existed since 2022 when the board gave up the rail idea and rebranded as…………

The Great Redwood Trail Agency, per 2018 mandate by the legislation to shut down the original authority.

(paywall)

One cannot make the claim that they were defunct and didn’t care when that was a legislative order to do so.

Also, there will need to be an entirely new trail and a few bridges built due to the SMART train running on it from Windsor to points south. There are portions around Sausalito and San Rafael already built, but a new trail bed will need to be cut in some places.

I think it’s a remarkable endeavor, but there are issues that need to be handled sooner rather than later.

Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
9 months ago

The Bay Trail and segments around urban areas in Mendo and Sonoma counties were being built out in accordance with NCRA’s “Rails with Trails” policy.

McGuire’s plan is trails only which is very short sighted — rails with trails in areas where rail is feasible (Willits south) would be a win/win taking heavy trucks off the road, reducing GHG emissions and boosting economic development while still accommodating trails.

But building anything from Willits to South Fork will be very challenging…and expensive!

And as you point out, even if it’s built there’s numerous issues that need to be resolved.

JWClark
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JWClark
9 months ago

Wrong watershed. The railroad never existed anywhere near Confusion Hill. I didn’t think it possible but your credibility just dropped several points.

Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
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Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
9 months ago
Reply to  JWClark

That’s just confusing.
The train is there. It’s the section of miniature trains the gnomes put in that runs backwards. The secret tunnel
Science
Catch up

Pedro De Pacas
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9 months ago

Those were pygmies wearing dunce caps, and the train actually stands still, it’s the universe moving forward below it.
Catch up

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
9 months ago
Reply to  JWClark

I know where the rail line was. I have copies of the old maps and have hiked parts of it. But thanks for your unsolicited judgment, champ, you’re the best. However, it’s been suggested that the old fallen part of 101 there be recut for a trail so that it isn’t quite so far east, which is why I mentioned it. I’ve heard mention of places just past the rail bridge at Kekakawa Creek before Island Mountain, and come over that way, or come back west at Alderpoint, or even perhaps Bell Springs Rd to bring it closer to 101 until Willits. I’m not the one laying the course, nor the one running the bulldozers; I just read a lot of things said about it.

jake
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jake
9 months ago

The state as i remember bought a large parcel out on the railroad, it had i think a mile or more of frontage. They sounded like they wanted to develop that section of the trail. they talk about going through alderpoint and having visitor services there.

Pedro De Pacas
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9 months ago
Reply to  jake

Wish they’d work on an easement to reach the Sutter Buttes, a large portion of which has been owned by CA State Parks for over twenty years .

Korina42
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9 months ago

The rules of railbanking say that the trail needs to stay within the railroad r-o-w, except for certain exceptions, like how the Bay Trail goes behind the Brainard mill site instead of in front of it. HTH.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
9 months ago
Reply to  JWClark

“South Fork” is along
the Mainstem Eel River…

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Friday
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9 months ago
Reply to  Dirt Hippy

It has been very popular. It will be interesting to see how much use it gets from October to April.
I have watched and talked, and haven’t seen any out-of-towners on the trail. Not a scientific effort, to be sure. Maybe the CofC can ask the tourists if they know of or plan to use the trail.

Korina42
Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Friday

I’ve noticed that the county and our cities seem to be allergic to wayfinding signs; hopefully they’ll get over that.

Personally, I’d be happy if it was mostly locals using it, and I really look forward to when they get it to CR. For us to finally have a safe way to get between Arcata and Eureka is quite a big deal, and expect traffic to pick up once school’s back in session.

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
9 months ago
Reply to  Korina42

It’d be no more difficult than the Eureka-Arcata portion to build. The rail line comes in closest right where the entrance to the Botanical Gardens is.

Korina42
Member
9 months ago

There are some tricky spots, such as where it runs about a foot above the water, and getting it across King Salmon Ave. and Tompkins Hill Rd. I know the design will also take sea level rise into account, so that’s good.

I’m guessing that Caltrans is particularly interested in creating a barrier on the low-lying sections between 101 and the bay. HTH.

catbus1974
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catbus1974
9 months ago
Reply to  Friday

a 300+ mile gravel bike trail up the pnw coast will bring people from all over the world… even oct thru april.. some folks enjoy all types nature, not just comfortable types

Bozo
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Bozo
9 months ago
Reply to  Dirt Hippy

>”Well guess what, the Eureka to Arcata section has turned out to be a massive success.”

Initial reaction… lots of people on the trail. (I expected that.)
Long term reaction… not many people. (I expect that.)

Pretty soon the people will become weary of wandering between the freeway… (especially after the CalTrans projects will go back to a speed limit of 65 mph) and the glorious mudflats.

Then, after another month or so… the ‘dark times’ will come to the North Coast… along with it… rain/fog, wind, fog fog, big rain, dark after 4 pm, dark before 8 am, frost, hail.

At that point… (about 6 to 8 months)… the trail will be largely un-used.

Then (of course) they are going to sped a $20 million (?) ‘pork-barrel project’ for replacement of the bridge over Mad River.
(It is a VITAL transportation corridor !) (Good gawd.)

Spent $30 million dollars… or $50 million with the Mad River bridge for squat.

Heck, leave it to the gullible voters… we’ve got lots of ’em.

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
9 months ago
Reply to  Bozo

CalTrans is already in the process of using eminent domain along where that’s getting built to make sure it happens.

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  Bozo

I haven’t seen anyone wandering; people seem to be pretty clear on where they were going. As for the dark times, you underestimate folks; that’s why we invented rain gear.

The Mad River bridge is a different project; where did you get your $20 million figure? I haven’t heard it before.

Bozo
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Bozo
9 months ago
Reply to  Korina42

>”I haven’t seen anyone wandering; people seem to be pretty clear on where they were going.”

Recreational users. Out and back during good weather.
Weather is soon to be gone, and the novelty of the new trail is soon to be gone.

< As for the dark times, you underestimate folks; that’s why we invented rain gear..

Why heck yes, we see tons of bicycle/pedestrian people out in rain gear !

Hmm… I suppose as the Newsom effect takes place we may see a lot more… out trying to raise cabbage I guess.

>”The Mad River bridge is a different project…”

Eh ? That is all part of the trails project. Huffman said (truthfully) part of the pork barrel funding.

>”where did you get your $20 million figure? I haven’t heard it before.”

INFLATION. Cost over-runs. Similar to the ‘projected’ costs of the Eureka north bay trail… $13.3M (NCJ 2018)… $16M… then ran out of money… $20M… Final Costs ? (Seems to have gone ‘missing’ ?)

We (or future generations) will see just how much it comes out to.

Korina42
Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Bozo

You were saying the Hammond Trail bridge will cost $20 million.

The $5 million in funding secured by Huffman and California U.S. Sen. Alex Padilla will cover the majority of the estimated $7.5 million cost of the bridge’s replacement.

From here. Admittedly the cost will have gone up a bit by the time it’s replaced, but not that much.

As for the Bay Trail South budget, no one expected the Spanish Inquisition COVID pandemic; that’s what caused the delays, and the cost overruns were due to supply chain problems and the cost of construction materials suddenly getting very high.

If I wasn’t so lazy, I’d go out to the Bay Trail during commute time to look for commuters, but my bed is much too comfortable. I did bike commute from Arcata to Eureka before I became pandemic unemployed; it was a great ride except for those four miles in the middle.

Eric Taylor
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Eric Taylor
9 months ago

What exactly has been completed? Gravel or otherwise? I like the new section finally connecting Arcata and Eureka. All told from north Clam Beach to not quite King Salmon I’m seeing no more than 25 miles of trail,and that includes about 10 miles of county roads and city streets. A map would have been helpful.

Susan Nolan
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Susan Nolan
9 months ago
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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
9 months ago
Reply to  Susan Nolan

Is this decrepit “rendition” , or “…rendering of what the Eel River trail segment will look like, from the agency’s website.”, prominently featured in this articles “exclusive” highlighted front and center depiction, what we REALLY have to look forward to…???

If so, that’s pretty damn pathetic…

If you look close at the rail, you can see it’s ALREADY been conceptually “tagged”, before it’s even been built…

Gagger…

That’s ghetto…

I guess the moral of the story, to recap is…

With voids, holes, and pitfalls like that like that in the overpasses, it’s really going to be a “letdown”…

DONT GET YOUR HOPES UP, AND DONT SET YOUR EXPECTATIONS TOO HIGH, OR TOO SOON…

Hopefully they’ll do a better job on the trail, than they do on their funky ass presentation…

Korina42
Member
9 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

You’re going to judge the whole project on one bad Photoshopped image? Okay then.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
9 months ago
Reply to  Korina42

That wasn’t my idea…

I guess I should have posted the enlarged image…

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Bill Hogoboom
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9 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

A few missing and rotted planks. Yeah, that’s quite an engineering problem.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
9 months ago
Reply to  Bill Hogoboom

It’s quite an artist’s rendition…

That’s the Wile E Coyote super genius bridge..

Watch your stttehhhhhhhhppppppp…!!!

catbus1974
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catbus1974
9 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

doesn’t seem too much fun being you. no matter which version posts…maybe don’t
?

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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
9 months ago
Reply to  catbus1974

I wouldn’t advise crossing that bridge when you come to it.

Does IT look like fun…???

It looks like it’s only about 1/3rd complete…

What’s not fun about that….???

What’s going to be funnest about the GRT, (that’s TRG spelled backwards), will be a tossup between the nightmare of getting/ being stranded along the trail in the eel river canyon by rising creek waters, and/or slip outs/landslides, and the difficulty and risk associated with first responders tasked with rescuing those unfortunate people…

How un fun do you think that will be…???

Not my idea of a good time…

“Maybe don’t”, yourself…

Mr. Clark
Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Eric Taylor

Well McGuire said 1/3 is complete. That is complete horse shit.
”over $100 million a year in revenue generation for the North Coast region.” Oh really? This number has been pulled form someones ass. Same person who thought weed tax would fund California for the nest fifty years.

Humboldt10
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Humboldt10
9 months ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

I would like to know where the $100 million is coming from. Out of town tourists?

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  Humboldt10

That’s the idea; outdoor tourism is big in California.

catbus1974
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catbus1974
9 months ago
Reply to  Korina42

you’d have to enjoy at least the out of doors, and probably people as well to notice..

highhiker
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highhiker
9 months ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

don’t all nature trails bring in $274,000 per day 7 days a week all year?

farfromputin
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9 months ago

Hiking is one of my great joys! Thanks for tracking The Great Redwood Trail.

Akbar
Member
9 months ago

Excellent news, fantastic project. Look at Spain’s “Via Verde” projects to see how good this kind of rail repurposing can be. Wish we were building high speed rail along the west coast too.

I like stars
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I like stars
9 months ago
Reply to  Akbar

We are building high speed rail. We’re just doing it at incredibly low speed so that the most possible money can be skimmed by the crooks in charge.

JAMES
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JAMES
9 months ago

Its a trail; easy to maintain. i’m pretty sure there were always trails in California, people have used trails for for thousands of years

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Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
9 months ago

This is a massive waste of taxpayer money. And Hogan has no idea how difficult it will be to maintain and manage the main fork eel section that runs thru virtual widerness with limited road access.

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Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
9 months ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

Correct — they have no idea and no plan how to maintain or manage the trail through the Eel River canyon or how to pay for it — that is, if it ever gets built.

catbus1974
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catbus1974
9 months ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

talk to yourself much?

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

Fortunately it’ll be a 3 foot wide dirt trail, easy to repair, replace, or rerout as needed. Also, backcountry trails are all over the U.S. and Europe, and probably the world; how to manage them has been worked out by others; the GRTA will likely see how those others are doing it and adapt it to here. It’s not rocket surgery.

sam
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sam
9 months ago

A year ago, international tourist were a big part of the trail plan. But this year, international tourist are putting their plans to visit the USA on hold.

Frank
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Frank
9 months ago
Reply to  sam

Just three and a half years and tourism will return and the trail will be a bit closer to reality.

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  sam

Nothing can stop the German tourists! ;-D

Sandy Beaches
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Sandy Beaches
9 months ago

Will the trail be open to mountain biking and power assist bikes?

Brackish
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Brackish
9 months ago
Reply to  Sandy Beaches

Hopefully no e-bikes. The only people who should be allowed to ride those things are people who can display a disabled person placard.

local observer
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local observer
9 months ago
Reply to  Brackish

there will be kids and young adults riding dirt bikes on it everyday accessing remote property. some just riding others looting.

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  local observer

Based on…?

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
9 months ago
Reply to  Brackish

That’s not going to happen. Cities and counties can ban them entirely, but to limit it to people with mobility issues is discriminatory.

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
9 months ago
Reply to  Sandy Beaches

It will depend on the class type of trail it is and the eBike classifications as well. Rio Dell had to contend with this for their section that just opened. Some eBike types may be allowed, but not all, because they’re faster than anybody can normally pedal unless they’re in the Tour De France or something, and that creates an unsafe condition. For example, a 77 year old was killed by an electric scooter operator in S.F. three weeks ago. . Scooters aren’t terribly fast, but others, such as a Class 3 e-bike, can do up to 45kph/28mph legally.

catbus1974
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catbus1974
9 months ago

some scooters go 70-80mph

peace frog
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peace frog
9 months ago
Reply to  Sandy Beaches

Sure it will-drug runners will be running e-bikes all night long to deliver to all the tweak camps that will sprout up along this waster of taxpayer money, and to move bigger amounts without having to be concerned about getting caught. Only the finest, rural artisan crack and opiates will be dispensed, while bringing in billions of dollars in tourist money!

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  peace frog

And why would anyone set up camp 20 miles or more from the nearest population center? You know, where all the food and money is?

Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
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Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
9 months ago
Reply to  Korina42

You’re right. That’s suspicious.
I’d say call in non-stop defoliation spraying, then just NAPE THE LIVING SHIT OUTA THE ENTIRE REGION. Pummel the supply lines with ordinance. Prevent this ghastly waste of taxpayers’ money.

catbus1974
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catbus1974
9 months ago

how’d you rather waste it?

Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
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Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
9 months ago
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Taking over the bad states with National Guard, and stepping up the pace of detention facility construction. If this Huffman character included some prison labor camps, and some parade grounds, I think more people might be onboard. Maybe around Ft. Seward?

Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
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Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
9 months ago
Reply to  peace frog

Holy smokes!
From what I’m hearing from you, is that were going to have these jungle camps of antifa anarchists positioned to trash the private God Fearing properties of the pious. The first thing they do is put the free dope clinics out there. It’s like a beacon to all the DC poors on their March to California.

catbus1974
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catbus1974
9 months ago

holy smokes. Boomers still squirm on weirdly about Antifa? Bring back the laptop and Hillary. Ignore the pederass in chief tho.

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  Sandy Beaches

Mountain biking? Rail trails have no more than a 5% grade, not very exciting.

Bill Lutjens
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9 months ago

Answering another question, Hogan said there will be campgrounds every eight miles along the trail.”

I like

Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
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Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
9 months ago
Reply to  Bill Lutjens

Outrageous!
A campground every eight miles? But no mention of a ballroom?!!
American wants, nay, CRYS OUT for more ballrooms!

Korina42
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Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
9 months ago
Reply to  Bill Lutjens

Absurd

catbus1974
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catbus1974
9 months ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

rational ideas seem absurd to those who are thus.

I like stars
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I like stars
9 months ago
Reply to  Bill Lutjens

Unless someone is stationed at all of them 24/7, they will be trashed. What’s the budget for maintaining this thing?

Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
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Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
9 months ago
Reply to  I like stars

Soros and his ilk just pay liberals to go out and trash campgrounds. How are the good people of America supposed to keep up against such ner do wellage?

I like stars
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I like stars
9 months ago

Has the person who pretends to be Mavie ever had to clean up after the public?

Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
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Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
9 months ago
Reply to  I like stars

Gross

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  I like stars

::raises hand:: I have; I’m a Volunteer Trail Steward, and I’ve cleaned up my share of homeless camps. At least the campgrounds will have toilets instead of “toilet areas”.

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  I like stars

Through hikers don’t generally trash campsites, and that’s who you’re going to get 50 miles from anywhere.

I like stars
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I like stars
9 months ago
Reply to  Korina42

Not 50 miles, eight miles. It will be an e-bike, e-moto, moto, atv shit show.

catbus1974
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catbus1974
9 months ago
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you don’t compute well, do you?

Grae Faux
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Grae Faux
9 months ago

The “poster child” photo in the Lost Coast Outpost appears to show a family trespassing in a clearly unsafe area … not to mention how difficult it is to get to the river. “Quick attack engines” will apparently be helicopters to be able to get to much of trail. Portions of this plan appear to be too much wishful thinking. In any case there needs to be massive liability insurance provided by the trail organization to deal with damage, lawsuits and deaths that will surely follow. Disclosure: I LIKE trails.

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  Grae Faux

It’s a terrible image. The Rail Trail Conservancy has a lot of resources https://www.railstotrails.org/

and there are backcountry trails all over the place; I’m sure management has been figured out.

Griffon
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Griffon
9 months ago

1/3rd complete…
maybe they have spent or siphoned 1/3 of the money to their buddies in the “studies” group. Not sure, but much of the discussion of this trail sounds good on paper, but is not realistic.

campgrounds every 8 miles🙄 cool, when’s the one on the bay going in! lol

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  Griffon

If you’d watched the town hall, you’d see that S.M.A.R.T. has over 30 miles built or funded, with a total of 70 miles planned. Ukiah, Willits, Eureka, Arcata, and Humboldt County already have over 20 miles between them already built or planned (Arcata’s next section starts construction next month, and the county’s designing the Tooby Rd. to CR section now). That looks like over 100 miles right there, which is about 1/3.

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Griffon
9 months ago
Reply to  Korina42

So 1/3 planned or built or funded?
seems like the built sections are a little under represented…

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  Griffon

For a project that’s three years old and being built by a government agency, it’s going lightning fast. The sections built by local governments are something of a miracle, considering how poor Humboldt and Mendocino counties are.

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catbus1974
9 months ago
Reply to  Korina42

it’s much easier to spew garbage if you’re uninformed. Stop trying to do these folks a favor by educating them, they don’t care about facts. With facts, all garbage spew is just that.

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  catbus1974

I’m not doing it for them, I’m doing it for the next reader who genuinely doesn’t know and would like to.

Big Rick
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Big Rick
9 months ago

If that rendering is really how low you guys want this trail to be, I guess y’all forgot about the 1964 Christmas flood!

Here’s an AI explanation since I’m too lazy to type it all out:

  • The 1964 flood markers along Highway 101 are visible above the roadway, highlighting how high the water reached during that event.
  • Some of these markers appear to be a significant distance from the closest river bank, illustrating the vast spread of the floodwaters.
  • The high water mark on the Avenue of the Giants, also from the 1964 flood, indicates how deep the Avenue was beneath the surface of the flooding Eel River.
  • The flood resulted from a series of storms known as atmospheric rivers or “pineapple expresses,” which caused as much as 15 inches of rain in a 24-hour period in some locations.
  • The flood caused immense damage to both manmade structures and fish habitats, even sweeping away entire towns.
  • During a three-day period of the 1964 flood, 105 million tons of suspended sediment were transported past Scotia. 

You guys are building infrastructure that will be lost to flooding and nobody is even considering this.

Grae Faux
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Grae Faux
9 months ago
Reply to  Big Rick

Water was over the tracks along the Eel Canyon.

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  Big Rick

The GRTA’s taking sea level rise into account in their designs. The great thing about a 3 foot wide dirt trail is that it’s pretty easy to rebuild after a hundred year flood.

Country Joe
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9 months ago

BS article.

Smoky OG again
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Smoky OG again
9 months ago

Thanks to reading RHBB especially the comments I have cancelled the comedy channel!
Check it out!
China since 2007 has designed and built 30,000 Miles of High Speed Railway. HSR. Plans to expand to 37,000 miles by 2030. What speeds you ask? 120 min to 240 max MPH is currntly standard. With many stations in very rural areas and every major and most minor cities throughout China.
In USA zero, none, zilch, nada HSR has been built with almost zero miles planned, designed, discussed or even contemplated. CA central valley HSR boondoggle scam 20+ years and No Track yet the exception.
But by golly we got 20 miles of fuckin hiking Trail srsly a Footpath kinda done!!! Lololololzz ROTFLMAO!!!!
But sure, this will save the rural economy for the Make America Great Depression Again getting started Now!!!
I haven’t laffed so hard realizing what an absolute Toast future awaits with the crazy decendents of colonizers, ignorant billionaires, thieving technocrats, and the most Bi-partisan Fascist Congress, Senate, and Supreme Court running the show since the ” come to Mendocino its a View to die for” comment! That was funny!
Oh well…

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
9 months ago
Reply to  Smoky OG again

English.

Bobo
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Bobo
9 months ago

High speed rail comes to mind. Never done and billions spent.

Go find nature.
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Go find nature.
9 months ago

A hundred million a year in revenue? Please explain how so. Also a 700 million dollar project to turn defunct rails into a hiking trail?! The biggest bs other than high speed rail. If you want to hike it, hike it. Take the risk. This is just effing stupid

catbus1974
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catbus1974
9 months ago

Who’re you asking to explain? This article cannot talk.

Go find nature.
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Go find nature.
9 months ago

or how about the jurisdiction of each VOLUNTEER fire department which will have to respond to the absolute idiots out and about in regions that have nowhere near a “fast” response. This is all a complete and utter joke of spending money to make money. A 100 million in revenue… absolute bs

Thebigdeal
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Thebigdeal
9 months ago

What a joke this guy is. Total exaggeration, no respect for the land owners. Very few people will travel the eel river stretch after a few years. It’s full of rattlesnakes and bee nests. They don’t have access to the river. Trust pass, leave trash, fires,ect

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  Thebigdeal

You don’t know through hikers. There are backcountry trails all over the world, and people use them, even years after they were built. This one is a rail trail, which means no more than a 5% grade anywhere along it, making it easy to walk or bike sections of it or the whole thing. With small towns dotted along most of its length why wouldn’t it be popular?

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catbus1974
9 months ago
Reply to  Thebigdeal

This is like listening to a bunch of old crackers talk about the italian family that just moved in.. A bunch of outmoded thinkers throwing silly barbs, in a self styled contest to see who’s more acrid. The whole time only showing how sour and small their thinking is…

Canyon oak
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Canyon oak
9 months ago

If there’s a drive thru Dutch bros coffee every 20 miles I’m all in, joke.
even install some eureka style city art and urban trash sculptures to inspire the delusional empaths.
maybe some ravens digging in trash bags, like a Toby Keith ballad?
the railroad was bad(they say)but pointless adventure seeking by outdoor yuppies is great?!
is that the message?
im thinking survival culture, and tourism isn’t part of it.
at least we can run dirt bikes, mules and quads on the trail once the money dries up

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  Canyon oak

Pointless outdoor adventure seeking by outdoor yuppies is profitable. I’m sorry you can’t think beyond bare survival; I hope your life gets better.

Canyon oak
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Canyon oak
9 months ago
Reply to  Korina42

Oh I can think beyond bare survival, I’m a idealist.
but do you realize millions of people in amaerixa cant be live beyond bare survival?
didn’t think so,
That’s why the term “eco yuppie” was coined.
enjoy your Segway journey taking pictures of redwood trees while others barely survive working retail jobs
“I’m lovin’ it”

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catbus1974
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catbus1974
9 months ago
Reply to  Canyon oak

who rides a segway anymores? I got heelies.

Country Joe
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9 months ago
Reply to  Canyon oak

Keep the fire crews at the ready if this trail becomes popular.

catbus1974
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catbus1974
9 months ago
Reply to  Country Joe

so scary

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  Country Joe

Can you even find an example of a wildfire being started by a hiker? In California wildfires are started by lightning, PG&E, and homeless folks.

The trail will provide access for firefighters, as well as serve as a bit of a fire break.

farfromputin
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farfromputin
9 months ago

You know, tourists will pay to come to California to hike the GRT. That smells like a new revenue stream. Might lower taxes. Something to think about.

RedRandy
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RedRandy
9 months ago

Reading through the comments, there sure are a lot of folks that think the current pace of decay in HC is what to expect and to applaud! Back in the 70’s I thought the Mad River pedestrian bridge was the bee’s knees and used it every day – too bad the roads were crap before and after on the way to school! As for riding 101 in those days – sometimes it was necessary, but I sure would have appreciated a safe way between Arcata/Eureka.

Having lived on or near bike trails now in the Bay Area (Iron Horse Trail), Eugene – trails galore, and now the converted Willamette Railroad bridge and Minto Brown in the Salem OR area, there’s no better use for my tax dollars than creating safe places for recreation, commuting, what the hell ever you want to do on foot or bike. All you trolls remind me very much of the idiots in Sisters OR who feared everything about a planned trail through the woods and the result meant you get to continue courting death by riding on the busiest highway in Central Oregon. Good work trolls. Now go back to your keyboards and find something else to complain about but do nothing about.

Sandy Beaches
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Sandy Beaches
9 months ago

Schools could offer trail building classes to prepare workers for trail building and maintenance jobs.
Who will provide law enforcement services for issues on trails and how will it be paid for? This trail like the Appalachian trail , has a more urban aspect. It’s not like trails in the High Serria wilderness areas.
Will the railroad bridge near Dyerville be used. I’ve walked over it and it needs work.
The tunnel I’ve been in was a bit scary but very interesting. I’ll bring a flashlight next time.
i lived in a town that the pacific crest trail passes through and the hikers were welcome and an adventurous group of people.

Korina42
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9 months ago
Reply to  Sandy Beaches

I mean, there are worse jobs.

You can check out the master plan here: https://greatredwoodtrailplan.org/