Lawsuit Over Sonoma County Drone Use Raises Privacy Questions; Humboldt Officials Say Their Approach Respects Residents’ Rights

This drone-captured image shows an outdoor bathtub on private property in Sonoma County. The homeowner, a plaintiff in the ACLU’s lawsuit, only learned of the drone’s presence after it may have recorded her post-bath, raising serious concerns about surveillance of intimate spaces.

This drone-captured image shows an outdoor bathtub on private property in Sonoma County. The homeowner, a plaintiff in the ACLU’s lawsuit, only learned of the drone’s presence after it may have recorded her post-bath. This led to concerns about surveillance of intimate spaces. [All images from the ACLU lawsuit]

A lawsuit filed in early June by the ACLU Foundation of Northern California and O’Melveny & Myers LLP is challenging how Sonoma County uses drones to enforce local code violations. The suit claims that code enforcement officers have flown drones hundreds of times over people’s homes—often without a warrant—and it asks the court to require one before any future flights that cross into private residential space.

Matt Cagle, a senior staff attorney with the ACLU, said, “We’ve seen other code enforcement departments develop drone programs, such as Humboldt, Mendocino, and Yolo counties, although we do not know of any programs where code enforcement officers fly as frequently, invasively, or with as few protective safeguards over residential properties as in Sonoma.”

He added, “In Sonoma, we are requesting that the court require a warrant before a drone flight over someone’s home.” The quality of the photos is such that a great deal of detail can be seen.

According to the ACLU, Sonoma County code enforcement agents have used drones equipped with high-powered cameras and zoom lenses to monitor and record people’s homes, fenced yards, swimming pools, hot tubs, and even through curtainless windows or under awnings—often without notice, and without a warrant.

Taken from a drone at low altitude, this image captures the inside of a private residence through sliding glass doors—highlighting how the County’s drone program can peer into people’s homes without their knowledge or consent.

Taken from a drone at low altitude, this image captures the inside of a private residence through sliding glass doors—highlighting how the County’s drone program can peer into people’s homes without their knowledge or consent.

In one case outlined in the complaint, a woman named Nichola Schmitz, who is Deaf and lives on a rural farm with her mother and sister, only became aware of a hovering drone when someone else pointed it out. She ran to her room and shut the windows, afraid it might have already captured footage of her naked or in a towel after a bath. The drone had flown over her outdoor bathing area earlier that day.

This aerial image taken by a drone reveals multiple fenced-in backyards, some with pools and private play areas. The lawsuit argues that these routine flights over residential neighborhoods violate residents’ expectations of privacy.

This aerial image taken by a drone reveals multiple fenced-in backyards, some with pools and private play areas. The lawsuit argues that these routine flights over residential neighborhoods violate residents’ expectations of privacy.

The lawsuit alleges that county officials were aware of these privacy concerns and still rejected a policy proposal that would have added limits or required warrants. As a result, the drone program has been used not just to identify unpermitted cannabis grows in remote areas, but to investigate a wide range of code violations—leading in some cases to tens of thousands of dollars in fines and property liens.

Zoomed-in drone photo of a person on private property in a rural area of Sonoma County. The lawsuit claims that these kinds of close-range, warrantless drone observations have become standard practice for code enforcement—without safeguards.

Zoomed-in drone photo of a person on private property in a rural area of Sonoma County. The lawsuit claims that these kinds of close-range, warrantless drone observations have become standard practice for code enforcement—without safeguards.

Here in Humboldt County, Planning and Building Director John Ford says his department does not fly drones at all. “Planning and Building does not have a drone program and does not use drones,” he wrote in response to our questions.

Instead, the county uses five satellite images each year, captured at a distance that Ford says protects residents’ privacy. “The resolution of the images we receive are not granular enough to show people,” he explained. “You can look at the images on the GIS in the Planning and Building Website.” (See mobile version here and desktop here.)

The satellite imagery is used for code enforcement, permit review, environmental impact monitoring, and identifying unpermitted cannabis cultivation. Ford noted that if a potential grow site is flagged, the property owner is notified.

“This is a tool the County of Humboldt uses that enhances the County work without being intrusive into people’s property,” he said.

The Humboldt County Sheriff’s Office does operate drones, but Lt. Conan Moore said they’re reserved for very specific missions.

“Our drone program is used for Search and Rescue missions, High risk search warrants, [and] surveillance operations for Drug Task Force for Undercover Officer buys,” Moore wrote. “We don’t use drones for Code enforcement and Cannabis as we still use helicopters for this information.”

Moore said the drones have helped deputies locate missing people and supported high-risk operations like the arrest of two double-homicide suspects in the Eel River Valley.

“The drone program is a great asset to the Sheriff’s Office and has been mainly used for Search and Rescue operations and has been effective in locating missing subjects,” he said.

The department does have privacy rules in place. Moore pointed to Policy 606.3, which states: “Absent a warrant or exigent circumstances, operators and observers shall not intentionally record or transmit images of any location where a person would have a reasonable expectation of privacy.” Examples given include “residence, yard, enclosure.”

Moore added that no complaints have been filed about their drone operations to date. “We have received complaints about drones but they have all been determined to be PG&E drones and not associated with HCSO,” he said.

As the legal case in Sonoma moves forward, it may help clarify where drone flights cross the legal line—and what kind of oversight and safeguards counties need. Humboldt officials say they’ve already built in limits: using still satellite images in Planning and deploying drones only in emergency or high-risk situations. The ACLU’s case against Sonoma County may clarify how Humboldt’s use of imagery fits within privacy laws.

 

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Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
11 months ago

“Reasonable expectation of privacy” is such a last century concept — but good luck to anyone who thinks “personal privacy” is a viable concept with drones, satellites and cameras everywhere.

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
11 months ago
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T’ain’t nothing a double-barreled can’t take care of.

Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
11 months ago

No, if you’re in a residential neighborhood that’s called trading one problem for another.

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
11 months ago
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You realize where you live, right? Some people don’t have any problem trading one for another.

melanopsin
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11 months ago

Long shot

Ahuka 2400
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Ahuka 2400
11 months ago
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10 gauge goose gun

melanopsin
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11 months ago
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Thx

Steven
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Steven
11 months ago
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My Patriot Missile System will take care of any pesky drones.

Country Joe
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11 months ago

I warned my invasive neighbor several times, so I finally brought his obnoxious drone down with my goose gun with a 3″ MAG. I reside in a rural area.

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
11 months ago

I used to get redneck, MAGA-aimed catalogs out of Geogia. You know, the ones where you can order a Confederate Flag comforter for your conjugal bed, sort of set the milieu, the ambience’. Anyway , I saw 12 gauge shotgun shells listed that fired little weights and nets at low-level drones. Presumably for illegal trespass, but how would you know if a warrant was issued? I see a drone over my house with THIS president?! We’ve had posts in the past in support of neighbor snooping on neighbor.

Country Joe
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11 months ago
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We’re tapping into a vital conversation at the intersection of technology, ethics, and civil liberties. This is not a last century concept, it’s now.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/15.1.0/svg/1f681.svg

Right to Privacy from Drones: A Brief Overview My concern is grounded in legitimate principles. In the U.S., individuals do have rights to privacy under both federal and state laws. When it comes to drones:

  • Fourth Amendment Protection: The Constitution protects against unreasonable searches. If a government agency uses a drone to surveil someone without a warrant, it may violate this protection.
  • State Laws: Many states, including California, have laws that regulate how drones can be used, especially by private individuals or companies. For instance, flying a drone over private property without consent may be considered trespassing or invasion of privacy.
  • FAA Regulations: The Federal Aviation Administration governs drone usage for safety and airspace management. Though they don’t handle privacy directly, local laws fill that gap.
Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
11 months ago
Reply to  Country Joe

Perhaps this can be used to bring collective harmony on a micro and macro scale. I am thinking about drone skeet shooting. If you can come to an agreement with your neighbors kid, you could have an unarmed drone versus shotgun challenge. This could bring harmony from the standpoint of mutual gaming fun, the shotgun wins more than half the time, daily training is provided for duck and chukar hunting, the kid learns more skills to join Spaceforce, and, every once in a while, the drone lives to become a nuisance again.

Country Joe
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11 months ago
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Drone skeet shooting sounds very interesting and yes, we should give the drone an even chance. Give the drone a paint ball gun and take them to the range. BTW, thanks for referring me as kid…

Water World Refugee
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Water World Refugee
11 months ago
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Dont feed the algorithm, and for the love of all that is sacred, try not to besmirch your good name by posting its premasticated weighted vector sets here.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
11 months ago

This caught my eye..
LAWSUIT OVER SONOMA COUNTY DRONE USE RAISES PRIVACY QUESTIONS; HUMBOLDT OFFICIALS SAY THEIR APPROACH RESPECTS RESIDENTS’ RIGHTS

Since I don’t really have time, at the moment, to really focus, and pore over all the finer details in the article with a fine tooth comb and a magnifying glass…

I would like to say, however, after quickly absorbing the headline, that it’s very nice of Humboldt Officials to have all given identical statements which defend Sonoma County’s controversial and legally contested use of invasive drones…

I makes me wonder why Humboldt County Planning and Building Official Director John Ford denies using drones…???

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Thesteve4761
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Thesteve4761
11 months ago
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So you have no clue what the story is about but feel the need to add in your ill informed opinion?

I hope you don’t vote.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
11 months ago
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Maybe we just don’t agree on out pronoun usage…

Pronoun usage with proper nouns in sentences connected by a semicolon
When using a semicolon to connect two closely related independent clauses (which could stand alone as complete sentences), you can use a pronoun in the second clause to refer back to a proper noun in the first clause. 
However, you must ensure that the pronoun clearly refers to the proper noun and avoids ambiguity, especially if there are multiple proper nouns or potential antecedents in the first clause. 
Capitalization after a semicolon

  • Proper Nouns: Capitalize the first word after a semicolon if it is a proper noun. For example: “Our trip to the Met was wonderful; New York’s museums never cease to amaze me”.
  • Pronoun “I”: Always capitalize the pronoun “I”, regardless of its position in the sentence.
  • Other Words: Generally, do not capitalize the first word after a semicolon if it is not a proper noun or the pronoun “I”. For instance: “The client will not be available for a meeting this week; next week, however, should work”. 

Example

  • “David should stop eating so much food; he will have to go on a diet”. In this example, the pronoun “he” in the second clause clearly refers to the proper noun “David” in the first clause. 

When using semicolons to join independent clauses, ensure pronouns agree in number, person, and gender with their proper noun antecedents, and the reference is clear to avoid confusion. If any ambiguity exists, rephrase the sentence for clarity or repeat the proper noun instead of using a pronoun. 

What is ambiguous in the headline is if “their” refers to Sonoma County, or if “their” refers to “Humboldt Officials”…???

Even after reading the article, it remains somewhat ambiguous…

“Humboldt Officials” definitely don’t say” what the headline says they “say”…

If “Humboldt Officials”,

actually said,

“THEIR APPROACH RESPECTS RESIDENTS’ RIGHTS”…

They wouldn’t be referring to themselves…

They would be referring to “others”…

If Humboldt Officials we’re referring to themselves, they would refer to themselves as “OUR”

As in…

“Humboldt Officials say “OUR” approach respects residents’ rights”, (regardless of whether or not it is true)…

Considering that one of the Humboldt Officials, John Ford, totally denied drone use, period, is that to be construed as an actual “approach” that “respects residents’ rights”, compared to, or moreso than Sonoma’s actual drone use, considering that Humboldt uses satellite imagery…???

I don’t think so…

Its a far stretch to conclude that Humboldt’s highly intrusive satellite surveillance is an approach that in any way respects Humboldt County residents’ rights…

If Humboldt Officials conclude that their own surveillance approach is respectful of residents’ rights, I wouldn’t be surprised if, and it would follow that, Humboldt Officials would likely also conclude that Sonoma County’s highly intrusive approach is likewise respectful of residents’ rights…

All bullshit…

Government use of high tech surveillance systems of any kind, at any level, implicitly is not an approach that respects residents’ rights…

Water World Refugee
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Water World Refugee
11 months ago
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The real question is the nature of the satellite use, are we getting birds tasked on us more than the rest of the nation? If so who ordered it and is the cannabis tax dreams that allowed them to strike some bargain with who.

Water World Refugee
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Water World Refugee
11 months ago
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I somehow feel this is the distilled down version of what the hoi polloi are all about, democracy, we may come to see is the biggest sham, those that know what I mean are such a small percentage that it makes no difference. I’ve crunched the numbers, at this point it can shake out to a few ways but none of the roads to the other side are not littered with mass graves. Your only thought should be on if u wanna crawl in to one and wait for your turn, or not?

Thought Prophet
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Thought Prophet
11 months ago

The key is to teach children not to make the mistakes of their parents and grandparents.

teach your children that nothing is guaranteed and being a truckatarian means relying on strangers to maintain this illusion.

every generation sells out the next.

think about what credible excuse can be given to justify our behavior.

we are unworthy of our ancestors,

if we are relying upon the government to raise your children, we are just teaching children to dig their own graves.

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Water World Refugee
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Water World Refugee
11 months ago

We have been led down a path of shame, forsaking our forefathers, forsaking also the great mother of all, in the name of progress. Trust the future they say; Look to your past I reply.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
11 months ago
Reply to  Thesteve4761

Do you know the meaning of facetiousness…???

I knew exactly what the story was…

The hyperbolic insanity of the left
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The hyperbolic insanity of the left
11 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Totally see how that headline tripped the wires. It’s grammatically correct – but semantically murky.

Sonoma’s lawsuit and Humboldt’s statement are stacked so closely it almost sounds like Humboldt is defending Sonoma. But I think the article might actually show the opposite: Humboldt distancing themselves, with Ford basically claiming, “we don’t use drones like that.” (?)

Anyway, it’s a perfect example of how ambiguous, or loaded headlines might confuse the reader, and shape the story depending on the lens you already bring to it… or the one the author wants you to see it through.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
11 months ago

Finally someone gets it…

Thanks…

A headline really shouldn’t create a puzzle that can ONLY be unraveled by obediently reading the entire article in order to properly decipher it…

Why the Humboldt County Sheriff’s Office was interviewed for this article is beyond me…

Sonoma County Sheriff’s Office wasn’t part of the Sonoma County code enforcement officers drone use equation…

So why would HCSO be included…???

It makes it an apples, to, oranges and apples, comparison…

If the headlines are being written ambiguously in order to Increase engagement and engagement time, it seems to be working…

Its really not so terrible to increase interest…

Defending Sonoma would be questionable at best…

John Ford, who uses more intrusive satellite surveillance instead of drone use, and who then ridiculously represents satellite surveillance, with it’s much greater overall invasiveness, as somehow being more respectful of residents rights, than drone use, is an extremely maligned type of virtue signaling, that really shouldn’t be amplified, justified, nor multiplied…

That’s not community service…

HCSO surveillance protocols are property represented as being much more cognizant and respectful of residents rights, as a general rule, than both Sonoma and Humboldt County code enforcement protocols, which both seem to me to be the most disrespectful of the three groups…

melanopsin
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11 months ago
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If I may. I’m reminded of TV news’ provocative descriptions of “coming up next after the break” stories then while viewer waits in anticipation showing 4 corporate sponsor commercial ads.

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
11 months ago
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Are you just trolling? You can’t understand why Humboldt County Sheriff’s office was interviewed about Sonoma County Sheriff’s controversial policies?
Very bad AI or something. Totally makes all else you say seem irrelevant. You don’t get it? REALLY?

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
11 months ago

“Are you just trolling? You can’t understand why Humboldt County Sheriff’s office was interviewed about Sonoma County Sheriff’s controversial policies?
Very bad AI or something. Totally makes all else you say seem irrelevant. You don’t get it? REALLY?”

-Lost Coast Outburst-

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Seriously…???

Let’s start with this…

“You can’t understand why Humboldt County Sheriff’s office was interviewed about Sonoma County Sheriff’s controversial policies?”

-LCO-

___________________

No, I can’t…

BECAUSE,NOWHERE IN THIS ARTICLE IS SONOMA COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE OR DEPARTMENT EVER MENTIONED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR, FORM…

SONOMA COUNTY CODE ENFORCEMENT IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SONOMA COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE OR DEPARTMENT…

So, now that that has been cleared up…

No, I still don’t understand why HCSO was drawn into this, for apparently no reason whatsoever…

Do you..???

Like I already said, LAWSUIT OVER SONOMA COUNTY DRONE USE has absolutely nothing to do with SCSO…

So it definitely doesn’t require a HCSO comparison, and so it also definitely doesn’t have anything to do with HCSO…

Why HCSO got pulled into this unnecessarily has yet to be revealed…

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Ahuka 2400
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Ahuka 2400
11 months ago
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A headline really shouldn’t create a puzzle that can ONLY be unraveled by obediently reading the entire article in order to properly decipher it”
Headlines these days are nothing but click bait

Farce
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Farce
11 months ago

Creepy behavior from Sonoma County officials. Using public tax money to pay themselves and to buy equipment to go be creeping on their own citizens. This is real Big Brother creepiness in action. I hope the county gets sued and I wish every individual involved to be arrested, prosecuted and sued to death. Terrible behavior! Who the hell could think this is okay?!!

Earthquake weather again this morning
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Earthquake weather again this morning
11 months ago
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A landlord would be in trouble for spying on their tenants like that. The County is not even one’s landlord, even though some officials seem to think that’s the case.

Country Joe
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11 months ago

It’s trespassing…

Thought Prophet
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Thought Prophet
11 months ago
Reply to  Farce

https://substack.com/@naomiwolf/note/c-136936576

naomi wolf highlights Eric Weinstein interview with Jeff Bartlett podcast. 2.4 million views so far.

“leverage is the name of the game that few to control the many”

Country Joe
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11 months ago
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Privacy violations galore.

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
11 months ago
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Yes, exactly right. Every county in the State should be reviewed and personnel interviewed for their local policies. It’s tough to stay mellow. I am not worthy.

Farmer
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Farmer
11 months ago
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Humboldt uses one too.

Tangled Massocells
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Tangled Massocells
11 months ago

Shotgun air defense systems for unidentified drones. Especially in unincorporated air space.

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
11 months ago

Unfortunately, the fbi will be paying you a visit if you did this. They should allow landowners the option you point out but our great politicians decided that wouldn’t be fair to the drones so they passed a law against you. Wonder what Pelosi would do if you flew a drone into her backyard airspace in Pacific Heights and hovered around for an hour or so, lurking? I think you know.

Tangled Massocells
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Tangled Massocells
11 months ago
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You have the opportunity to explain to the FBI that an unidentified drone came within shotgun range – meaning very low altitude. You have the opportunity to inform them that they needed to inform you! If you have nothing illegal to worry over – you say sorry and they go away.

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
11 months ago

I like the power of your positive thinking but realistically don’t think they will accept “me bad” as a reason. It’s more like: here is a $10,000 ticket and we are taking your guns. We accept Visa, Mastercard, Debit, and. Cash.

Tangled Massocells
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Tangled Massocells
11 months ago
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Well I did add some but not all qualifiers. I’m also not worried about the CIA. So… if it’s the police looking for someone – I hope they catch the bad guys – if that’s situation. Hopefully they might inform you or the drone has ID. If it’s the fire dept. guess what to look for? If it’s a “snooping” neighbor or pervert – they got some “splaining” to you or the cops. Or hang their drone on your fence as a trophy. I’ll help you out: What’s that? Sounds like a swarm of bees. The operator is almost always nearby, so if you can – follow the drone and/or start looking. Call the Police. If you find an insurance agent looking at your roof because the policy is coming up – I’ll bet you signed off? If it’s a real estate agent supposedly taking pictures of your neighbors place – they got some explaining. If it’s code enforcement, what are the odds a neighbor tipped them off? Hope everything is legal. The camera resolutions are so good these days, they don’t often come within shotgun range. If you are naked at the swimming hole and the Coast Guard flies over – wave!

Country Joe
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11 months ago
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I’d like to fly a drone over petulant Pelosi’s winery…Taxpayers paid for a RR train connection to her winery in Napa Valley. $23 Million as I recall.

Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
11 months ago

There’s no privacy. Anywhere.

And no curtains on our windows…

If you see something like old people naked, it’s your problem, not ours…

If I see a drone, I might have to shoot it… And I’m an excellent shot…

Benelli Black Eagle Forever!

Guess
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Guess
11 months ago

love my benelli

Deanna
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Deanna
11 months ago

What’s the bag limit?

Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
11 months ago
Reply to  Deanna

How many you got?

Country Joe
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11 months ago

Super shotgun…

havenrich
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11 months ago

I’m reminded of the ’74 movie, The Conversation. Also, I remember hearing that the Russian language has no word for privacy.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
11 months ago
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According to a quick Google, there are at least 4 different words for privacy in Russian, each with a different nuance.

Now, whether the Russian government holds to these is a different story.

Country Joe
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11 months ago

Russian word for privacy…конфиденциальность

Jay Beigh
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Jay Beigh
11 months ago
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//” I remember hearing that the Russian language has no word for privacy.”//

And the word “gullible” isn’t in the dictionary either.

JB

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
11 months ago

Some of you are worried about government overflights with drones. Insurance companies do this to ensure your property meets compliance requirements. They do not give you any warning for fly-overs; they happen.

Timb0
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11 months ago

Happened to me. Lost house coverage w/o explanation save for an “illegal table” in front yard you couldn’t see without physically coming onto my property after the drone pictures were studied. Washer/Dryer covered in a canvas tarp with screwed in plywood top I used as a table for cutting wood to replace deck flooring. Not one iota of the washer/dryer table “legs” could be seen from the air, but insurance was canceled for having appliances in yard. The company or their “reps” would have had to come onto my property and lifted the tarp to see what held up the table top. It very well could have been a normal table structure. Sonoma County.

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
11 months ago
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I have heard of people getting custom-printed covers for things that take camouflage to a new level. You can take any photo and have it printed on something so it blends in, beit nature, or to look like an ordinary trash can, a garden hose hanging on a wall, a window that doesn’t actually exist or well, anything.

Sonja
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Sonja
11 months ago

Absolutely correct. I know a few people that this has happened to in our area.

Tangled Massocells
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Tangled Massocells
11 months ago

What are the odds you signed off somewhere in your policy?

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
11 months ago

I didn’t. I’m also the type of person who reads the fine print in things. I also have professional help to sort through what is vague and confusing. It’s bad enough that the county liked to use them and feed the data to CalFire when they used to assess structure fees. Or employees who are too afraid to enter a property for an inspection. Or nosy real estate agents trying to get you to sell. Also, a drone with a good HD camera doesn’t have to fly over your property to get a solid look at you. It can do it 100 yards away. Or more.

Tangled Massocells
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Tangled Massocells
11 months ago

Oh well… hope your lawyer can do the job. Like I said… wave – and take a picture with your cell phone. They have a picture of you taking a picture of them. If you think the drone routine is bad… wait till Ai gets really involved.

oofta
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oofta
11 months ago

What about California Civil Code 1708.8? You can sue anybody who overflies your property. Over 400′ is FAA jurisdiction, but below that ..

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=CIV&sectionNum=1708.8.

California’s peeping laws (criminal) also address the use of photographic or telephoto equipment to peer into houses.

Farmer
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11 months ago
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I saw them about 20-50 ft up around 3 am out my back door it was creepy almost like they were trying to look through windows.
Then the next night I saw it over my neighbors place. They were checking people’s yards and maybe even residences. Of course they wouldn’t admit they are doing that shit. I would not have noticed but I get up so damn early for work

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Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
11 months ago

The irony of the drones. At Camel Rock, I am looking at a sign right now at the trailhead showing a picture of a drone with slash through it with No Drones Allowed in Black letters. So no drones at the publicly owned beach but fine to drones over your private property. This only makes sense if you work for the government and you are here to help…..,.,,typical. PS My friend had a Peregrine Falcon attack his drone thinking it was a very slow moving bird. The drone got fubared and taken down. The Peregrine flew off. The drone was filming itself die. Pretty cool visuals.

Bozo
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Bozo
11 months ago

Probably doesn’t matter.

Modern camera/lens technology can easily detect dope plants from 10,000 ft.
The only thing is that drones are cheaper than aircraft or buying a satellite image.

farfromputin
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11 months ago

Thanks, RHBB for posting this eye opener.

Humboldt Lady
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Humboldt Lady
11 months ago

What about the smaller cities in this county? I’m pretty sure the smaller towns are doing this for code enforcement at the crack of dawn. Anyone else know?
So maybe the sheriffs department isn’t doing it, but that doesn’t answer for the little cities, because the sheriffs don’t do code enforcement in the little cities. Each individual city fires their own as far as I know. I know that for sure in my town. And I have had other residents tell me the city flies drones over us routinely.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
11 months ago

The headlines ambiguous meaning as written, could be very easily vastly clarified, by simply replacing the semicolon with a period.

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Big Rick
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Big Rick
11 months ago

Ban all drones now

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11 months ago
Reply to  Big Rick

And shoot down any that come into your property. Once again the government you pay for will not protect you. It is up to us to take care of the situation. We must push back to restore our rights to peaceful privacy – From the government itself which is using OUR money to mistreat us! But watch how they react when we push back…they will skulk back under their rocks and whimper but they will stop doing it. They need constant reminders that we will not accept such aberrant behavior from them….

Yabut
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11 months ago
Reply to  Farce

I read somewhere that shooting down a drone is illegal so found this – https://aerocorner.com/blog/legally-take-down-drone/ that says “Under Title 18 US Code 32, the destruction of aircraft is a federal crime. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) classifies all types of drones as “aircraft.” Even recreational flyers are required to follow FAA regulations for flying in uncontrolled airspace.”

I have nomidea if that is correct or not.

Yabut
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11 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

And “Homeowners may attempt to claim self-defense after shooting down a drone. However, homeowners do not own the airspace above their properties. The FAA considers all airspace to be under its jurisdiction. To claim self-defense, the homeowner also needs to prove that the drone posed a threat of deadly force. Unless the drone is equipped with a weapon, it is not a deadly weapon.”

Al L Ivesmatr
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11 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

Told ya! And a landowner will never be able to prove it is equipped with a weapon unless it fires at them. Citizens forget that our government has unlimited money and lawyers. They essentially can never lose a case because they will starve out the citizen they are going after. Sad but true.

Thought Prophet
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11 months ago
Reply to  Al L Ivesmatr

the Supra judicial system has kept the management class in line for a very long time.

they don’t fear us

period

end of story.

(knee pads and KY for the win)

Frank
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Frank
11 months ago

How’s this any different from a private person flying a drone and looking at us in our backyards? They say we can’t do anything about that. Why this?

Farmer
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11 months ago

No it doesn’t I just watched the drone it was super low and over residences in our area.3 am 4 am in the morning scared the fuck out of me. All over So-Hum neighborhood about 50 ft up. But this is what you get when you vote for FLOCK facial recognition and approve use of satellites to spy on people. Good luck Humboldt you did it to yourselves

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Farmer
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11 months ago
Reply to  Farmer

But I should mention it wasn’t just going over one or two properties it was stopping and going over almost every residence. And I know it wasn’t PGand E because they do the poles and are also way too fucking low

Eyeball Kid
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11 months ago

I wonder if burglars use drones to scope out areas unable to be seen from the street. Many burglars are opportunists, sure, but some take their time and case their targets well.

Farmer
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11 months ago
Reply to  Eyeball Kid

There is no way someone could just offhand afford the drone I saw it was big and so low my dog was loosing his shit trying to jump up and get it. I also have no ganja growing so there is nothing to steal

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willow creeker
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11 months ago
Reply to  Farmer

Wouldn’t the operator have to be somewhat nearby? Assuming it was the county they would be in a public turnout or parking area in your neighborhood, right? I would be cruising around my ‘hood looking for the operator if I saw what you saw at that hour.

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
11 months ago
Reply to  willow creeker

And then what are you gonna do when you find that person? Hold them at gunpoint against their will? Attack them? Tough talk, but no follow through. Wanna know why, you will be the one going to the pink house for kidnapping, not the drone or the operator who may or may not be doing something nefarious. I would call the Sheriffs if you are concerned cuz they can hold that person until they determine what they are up to. Common sense. Just saying.

willow creeker
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11 months ago
Reply to  Al L Ivesmatr

Who said I was going to kidnap anyone? I would definitely be able to tell if it’s the county or some tweeker ripoff and take action accordingly. Call the sheriff probably. I’m not holding anyone at gunpoint, that’s you putting words in my mouth. I’m not stupid but I would 100% find out who is buzzing me with drones if I saw that happen at my house.
Also, drones at 3 am ? That’s giving a lot of credit to the county workers who don’t open til 9 am and take an hour off for lunch.

Farmer
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11 months ago
Reply to  willow creeker

Yeah we don’t really have time to go around chasing drone operators with needing to get to work and all. This is why they shouldn’t be allowed for use. You need a warrant and you need to show it before searching someone’s property. This is a clear violation of constitutional rights. But I’m not sure anyone cares about the constitution or due process anymore. The county sure hasn’t for a long time which is why they are attempting to stop the Institute of Justice from hearing the case about fining egregious civil penalties without a judge or real proof of guilt. Perhaps local officials need to loose power to if they abuse our rights. I have been saying this for years but until the regular citizen realizes they are being searched from above by either code enforcement or the sheriffs office without a warrant will they do anything? That tool shed you built oh well you need a building permit sir or your goat barn you need one for that too. Farmers don’t have anymore money and the county is hurting why do you think they are employing drones. Speak up at the B.O.S. meeting tomorrow instead of shooting at the damn thing if you want change. I’ve already tried

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Farmer
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11 months ago
Reply to  Farmer

Here is the link to the meeting:*starts at nine

https://humboldt.legistar.com/DepartmentDetail.aspx?ID=25778&GUID=4A4E8BFC-B1D2-469E-9014-C78ACB73469A&Mode=MainBody

call in and comment during non-agenda items

Thought Prophet
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11 months ago
Reply to  Farmer

asking permission Clarifying who rules you

CsMisadventures
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11 months ago
Reply to  Farmer

I saw one at a local thrift a while back for $30, still in the box. And yes, I’ve seen some of those folks who hang around the Eureka Mission play with them in the street. So yes, they do have them.

Farmer
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Farmer
11 months ago

Yes cheaper drones exist I looked up the type I saw which runs around 18k. I don’t think the average thief is going to buy an 18 K drone it was either the sheriff or the county or some other affiliated bullshit

Farce
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11 months ago
Reply to  Eyeball Kid

I would assume that every drone hovering over my house on my property is being used to steal from me. And I would shoot it down. If we did this they would change their tune.

melanopsin
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11 months ago

Types of Drone Jammers and Common frequencies https://microwave-space.com/blogs/news/types-of-drone-jammers-and-frequencies-used

Drone Jammers: An Inside Look at Counter UAS Technology for Drone Pilots https://uavcoach.com/drone-jammer/

Can You Shoot Down a Drone Over Your Property? And What Should You Do If Someone Shoots at Your Drone? https://uavcoach.com/shoot-drone/

The Dutch Have Devised the Best Drone Defense System: Trained Eagles https://slate.com/technology/2016/02/the-dutch-drone-defense-system-is-trained-eagles.html

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Eyeball Kid
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11 months ago
Reply to  melanopsin

Thank you for the helpful links.

From what I can tell, a drone cannot legally come closer to your house than about 80 feet.

property owners can control the space immediately around their home (generally up to 83 feet according to some legal precedents)”

https://uavcoach.com/shoot-drone/