Humboldt EV Pilot Project Tests ‘Up and Coming’ Technology

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Humboldt County is being described as a leading energy innovator as it launches a unique electric vehicle pilot project but there is concern about its cost.

The purchase and loan of two electric vehicles was lauded and debated at the Nov. 12 Board of Supervisors meeting.

The two Nissan Leaf EVs and their charging stations will be installed at the California Redwood Coast – Humboldt County Airport in McKinleyville under a $104,000 state grant administrated by Cal Poly Humboldt.

The county’s contribution to the two-year pilot project is a $34,000 purchase of one of the EVs.

Approval of the project was on the meeting’s consent agenda of routine items but it was pulled by Supervisor Michelle Bushnell.

She did so “because it’s not budgeted and it’s out of the General Fund and there are already budget issues within aviation,” she said.

Bushnell noted that the county will pay for the program’s ongoing software and cloud services if it continues beyond its two-year pilot period.

She has doubts about the accuracy of the estimated $4,400 annual services cost and is “just a little concerned with putting that money out and is it necessary?”

Dave Carter of Cal Poly’s Schatz Energy Research Center explained the EV system’s unique ability to both draw power from the airport’s microgrid and feed energy into it.

He described the technology as “an up and coming system we’ll see a lot more of in the coming years.”

Supervisor Mike Wilson said the pilot project is part of Humboldt’s emergence as an energy innovator.

“This county’s partnership with Schatz Energy and RCEA (Redwood Coast Energy Authority) and others has vaulted us as a community, as leaders in energy in so

many ways and one is microgrid systems,” he continued. “I think we probably have the highest microgrid capacity per capita of any county in the United States.”

The county is “leading the charge in that technology, he said, adding that the pilot project’s EV technology will eventually allow people to have “a battery backup system for your home and you’ll actually get one that comes with wheels and moves around so you get kind of a two for one in terms of benefit.”

Bushnell joined a unanimous vote approving the project with a caveat, saying, “I do think that in the end, it’s gonna end up costing the county more money than we thought.”

The four EV charging stations will be generally available for use but will only work for Nissan Leaf vehicles made from 2018 on.

Also at the meeting, outgoing state Assemblymember Jim Wood gave what will be his last annual update to the board.

Wood has opted not to run for re-election after serving as assemblymember for a decade.

He outlined his recent legislative efforts, including extension of seismic retrofit deadlines for rural hospitals and requiring utilities like PG&E to “better communicate” the status of requests to provide power.

Wood also gave supervisors a heads-up on the coming year’s state budget, saying it “could be as bad as last year’s, maybe a little bit better, but it’s not going to be a good budget.”

He told supervisors “we were not able this year to get any district asks of resources” and only “one-time resources” were gained last year.

“So don’t expect that we’ll be finding pockets of money anywhere,” he said.

He advised supervisors to focus “on those kinds of things that that don’t require resources — legislative fixes and other things that could be helpful for you.”

State-level advocacy will be crucial, he continued, noting Supervisor Rex Bohn’s frequent testimony before the state legislature and describing him as “a fabulous spokesman for this county.”

Supervisors praised Wood’s responsiveness and local focus on issues like health care and wildfires.

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Juan Pablo
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Juan Pablo
5 days ago

What is this pilot program for? Who drives these two cars at the airport? The chargers only work on one model car? None of this makes any sense to me. An explanation in plain English would be appreciated.

Mr. Clark
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5 days ago
Reply to  Juan Pablo

It makes no sense because it is a stupid, wasteful plan. They have the huge microgrid at ACV so now they have an in house use for these two cars. Whatever that will be. Can anyone else who has a Leaf and is flying out of ACV use the station? No not so practical of a plan is it. There must be some charging stations at the new parking lot?

Vinny Veyron
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Vinny Veyron
5 days ago
Reply to  Juan Pablo

My question as well. When is it available for me to go tool around? Can you imagine if somebody offered an internal combustion engine car that required a specific fuel nozzle just for that car?!
Aren’t we getting some fantastic hydrogen busses? How many trips a day do they make to the airport? That place where you can wear shorts to fly your brain, phone, and outfits to LA with hydrocarbon fuel.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
5 days ago
Reply to  Juan Pablo

🤔🧐,
It’s for the “pilots”…
😉

Gridder
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Gridder
5 days ago

A good start to testing the survivability of EV in the Pacific North West. Nice to see some proactive measures taken by the elected offices. Keep up the good work.

THC
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THC
5 days ago
Reply to  Gridder

I’m pretty sure there have been ev’s in the Northwest for over a decad now.

Bozo
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Bozo
5 days ago
Reply to  Gridder

You be kidding ? Yes ?

Vinny Veyron
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Vinny Veyron
5 days ago
Reply to  Gridder

How about testing a universal charging system instead of one only available for these two mystery mobiles. Who gets to drive them? I’ll bet you it’s a handful of people in the county who don’t need their personal transportation subsidized.
Meanwhile electric replacements for the tortuously regulated commercial truck sector are prohibitively expensive. How many electric trucks are operating in the County? Or FOR the county? Helping do shit for the community? Hey for fun, why don’t you try exploring California Air Resource Board’s wack-nutty, dis-functional website!
If you’d like to press one, press one NOW!
Try looking up CARB’s list of “CleanTruckCheck” inspection locations…just DE-SELECT every other freaking county in the UNITED STATES and Canada first!.(Careful not to graze the cancel button, you’ll have to start over)..then, a half hour later, scroll through the Humboldt County “testing locations” and you’ll soon suspect that CARB hired third graders to set up their site! Looky there: that’s everybody here who tried to sign up their truck, not just the three or four shops that will do the testing (twice a year, four times a year coming soon…on engine systems that go into limp mode when out of parameters) look at that! There is everybody’s phone number and email! Here, let me send you some solicitations!
CARB assumes that everybody who went out and bought equipment that was legal, expensive, and for sale five years ago, also bought and installed illegal cheat-delete mods. Why can’t CARB just go after all the many cheat devices for sale everywhere, that announce their installation with billowing clouds of “rolled coal”? They’re usually only installed on lil dick dog haulers anyway.

THC
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THC
5 days ago

A leading energy innovator because Of the purchase of 2 electric vehicles? LMFAO. Well I guess we know where the new measure o taxes will be going…

Bozo
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Bozo
5 days ago

>”… the estimated $4,400 annual services cost ”

Eh… you have to wash the windshield… and… ?

Go figure.

Mr. Clark
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5 days ago
Reply to  Bozo

but but but the electricity comes form unicorn buttholes……..
But sireously we do have the Diablo Canyon power plant to supplement these two cars. So good job Wilson….

Vinny Veyron
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Vinny Veyron
5 days ago
Reply to  Bozo

Have you bought tires, or paid a PG&E bill recently? A wiper switch for a ’95 Astro Van is $350 at a local Napa this week.(Delivered by diesel truck)

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Bozo
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Bozo
5 days ago
Reply to  Vinny Veyron

That is $4,400 per year ! For a new, small, electric car ?
Pay $100K for 2 Leafs ?
That is the reason why the state/fed is going broke.

Tires last 50K miles. Leaf is a small car. Maybe $800 every few years.
Airport has er… ‘solar’ power.
An (original ?) wiper switch for a 30 year old car… yeah, that might be expensive. This ain’t a 30 year old car.

New car should be under warranty for dunno… 3 years ?

Go figure.

Earthquake weather again this morning
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Earthquake weather again this morning
5 days ago
Reply to  Bozo

I’m questioning only $4400 in expenses for two cars at today’s prices. The dept of public works? You don’t factor your time cleaning dog poo off your floor mat, but the County will. Electric cars still have wheels and brakes. Who gets to drive them? Who gets to sell them? Why are we celebrating some mystery people getting to drive a new car on taxpayers dime, when the average taxpayer is struggling to maintain their luxury 95 Astro Van? This is a state grant+County money. Does this help the State and County meaningfully help [fill in the blank] do [what] better?

Pedro DePacas
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Pedro DePacas
4 days ago
Reply to  Vinny Veyron

Time to learn how to solder.

Pandamonium
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Pandamonium
5 days ago

Daniel Mintz
Did they say the chargers only work on Leafs? Or did they say they work on all EVs except Leafs older than 2018?

Ev's are for idiots
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Ev's are for idiots
5 days ago

Ev’s are very dangerous. Lithium is highly explosive. Electricy and driving an Ev increases your chances of getting cancers and radiation poisoning, heart problems, neurological problems, they are very heavy and destroy our roads. California’s power grid is already over burdened and can not handle the strain of more electricity. Ev’s track your every move and record 360 degrees around them and send the information to data processors. They can be shut off by any law enforcement officer and tracked anywhere they go. They are expensive to build, completely annihilate the environment to build. The batteries only last a few yes and then the car is no good as the battery costs as much if not more then the car. They are a terrible idea and if ppl think they are environmentally friendly then you are just a low I.Q. idiot that probably believes anything Taylor Swift says. Basically, if you own or drive an EV you are definitely destroying the environment, ruining your health, in danger of blowing up and completely tearing up the roads. Typical Californian no brain environmentalist in my opinion…..SMH.

Yabut
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Yabut
5 days ago

Do you have any real statistics that any of what you said is real? Out side of EVs being heavier. Because that all seems to have a space-aliens-abducted-me tabloid quality about it.

LSandR
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5 days ago
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EV’s are not generally heavier, that is a myth. I work on roads for a living and I hear people say that myth all the time. A Leaf weighs about 3500lbs and has 116 cubic feet of interior volume. A Nissan Rogue is similar in size with 106 cubic feet of interior volume. The 2wd version weighs the same as a leaf and the AWD version is heavier. The battery in a leaf weighs almost 700 lbs but the motor only weighs 220lbs and there is no transmission so that offsets the weight of the battery. I’m not a fan of the leaf and I think this pilot program is kinda stupid, but electric is definitely the way to go. Remember when all the old guys were saying they would never use battery powered tools? Now battery powered tools are pretty much the norm. It’ll be the same for cars. If you live long enough you will definitely drive an electric car one day.

Yabut
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Yabut
5 days ago
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Some EVs are as light as some other kinds of cars but that is not the telling comparison. They are 10 to 15% heavier for the same model. And the worst part is when it comes to larger trucks. “A semi-truck can weigh up to 80,000 pounds. Its battery can take up to a fourth of that weight. ” And a whole lot of our infrastructure can not take that. It means breaking loads into smaller weights and making more trips at a higher cost. And that means more wear and tear on the same infrastructure.
Telling someone to drive a smaller vehicle is not the issue. Also it depends on the use of small power tools and nature of the job whether an electric one will do. For home owners it’s mostly okay. But even then 2 or 3 batteries might be needed to get through a job.
It doesn’t help to spin real issues to make them disappear in service to an agenda.

https://thedriven.io/2024/05/03/are-evs-really-much-heavier-than-their-ice-equivalents/
https://www.howtogeek.com/116061/are-electric-trucks-heavier-and-more-dangerous-than-traditional-pickups/
https://www.businessinsider.com/electric-trucks-longhaul-batteries-tesla-heavy-cargo-weight-problem-2023-2?op=1

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LSandR
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4 days ago
Reply to  Yabut

Yabut that article you referenced is about semi trucks and how much their weight “could be” since no one has brought a viable one to market…. yet. I envision semi trucks having a battery that can be swapped out in a few minutes for a fully charged battery. And instead of truck stops having a bunch of fuel pumps they have fully charged, ready to go batteries to swap out the dead one for recharging, just like a power tool. The fact that you think only small tools use batteries and and that it’s basically just for homeowners tells me that you don’t spend much time at construction sites or use many power tools. Milwaukee even has a battery powered jack hammer. Probably not many homeowners that have a use for that!

Yabut
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Yabut
4 days ago
Reply to  LSandR

I never said that only home owners use battery powered tools. Although I don’t work in construction, I know that some do use them. I know because of getting asked if I have a battery pack charged to match their tool when they needed it when it’s charge ran out and they had no more batteries set aside.
And electric semis already exist. “That means that the Semi, under our estimates, is roughly two tons heavier than would be a standard day cab big truck in the Class 8 category. ”
https://www.teslarati.com/how-much-tesla-semi-truck-battery-pack-weigh/
https://www.peterbilt.com/trucks/electric/579EV
https://electrek.co/2024/10/14/dhl-tests-tesla-semi-and-confirms-the-electric-trucks-impressive-performance/

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Pharmstheproblem
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Pharmstheproblem
5 days ago

Bet there was no better use for that 100k!

Martin
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Martin
5 days ago

This EV project is sure not on my top ten list. We have but just a handful of charging stations located around the area. Even some bigger cities are lacking in places to charge your flying electric carpet. Simple answer NO!

Espino
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Espino
5 days ago

No, it’s not “up and coming” tech. In fact, it was long ago discarded as an cost effective alternative to gasoline. Long ago being the early nineteen hundreds. Producing with fossil fuel electricity far away then transmitting and converting it to D.C. requires more fuel than just putting that same fossil fuel in the tank.

THC
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THC
5 days ago
Reply to  Espino

Most people don’t know and it’s not factored in to the carbon footprint that upwards of 80+% of the energy produced at the power plant has dissipated in heat by the time it’s turning a wheel on an EV vehicle.

https://insideenergy.org/2015/11/06/lost-in-transmission-how-much-electricity-disappears-between-a-power-plant-and-your-plug/

https://go-e.com/en/magazine/ev-charging-losses

Unimpressed
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Unimpressed
4 days ago
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I’m curious how heavy are those electric cars? Do you think they are a safe car on wet roads? How about the priest? Looks like it would hydroplane bad. I parked my suburu in the rain f250 ford seemed better suited to our roads.

Tyler Chapman
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4 days ago

So for a 30k contribution, the county gets 2 leafs and 4 outdated chargers? It’s not a bad deal, just wouldn’t call it especially innovative. It’s 14 year old technology. The leaf uses a cademo, or type 2 so it wouldn’t just be for leafs. both standards are bit outdated, but a lot of early ev adopters here in humboldt, so i would think they’d get used. Heck, I guess I could pick up a 3% charge when Im waiting to pick someone up

Unimpressed
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Unimpressed
4 days ago
Reply to  Tyler Chapman

Well we get hand me downs from the city’s. Why do you think our hospitals are so bad. They take problem doctors and put them in fortuna or eureka. We get the screw ups. Police to, screw up move north and do it again.

Unimpressed
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Unimpressed
4 days ago
Reply to  Unimpressed

We need super that know humboldt but are also familiar with the country. Humboldt has never been to America for the most part.you guys are day dreaming that your competitive.