For or Against? In 2024, the Controversial Cannabis Reform Initiative Is on the Ballot for Humboldt County Voters

Photo of flowers at Galactic Farms weathering a storm [Photo by Indy Riggs]

Cannabis flowers at Galactic Farms in Humboldt County weathering a storm [Photo by Indy Riggs]

In March of 2024, Humboldt County voters will have the option of voting for or against the Humboldt County Cannabis Reform Initiative (HCRI) that aims to “protect the County’s residents and the environmental harm caused by large-scale cultivation.”

Why the Initiative?

One of the proponents, Mark Thurmond, a retired Professor from UC Davis explained why over 7000 residents signed the petition seeking to have the initiative put on the ballot, “The purpose is to improve the environment and protect the health, safety and welfare of rural residents.”

Thurmond said a primary concern “is all the people in rural Humboldt County who have really been harmed in a number of ways by cannabis cultivation. They’ve lost their water, they’ve lost their neighborhoods, they’ve had the criminal elements move in.”

Thurmond said another worry for residents was they “were afraid to speak up” due to “intimidation and retribution.” 

Jane Doe (for the purposes of this article) is a longtime homesteader who wishes to remain anonymous for that and other reasons. Doe said, “One of the reasons I signed the petition was because the County is not paying attention to the cumulative impacts of grows on the people that live there…I was hoping the HCRI would inspire the county to amend their ordinances.”

The Cannabis Industry Opposes the Initiative

Photo of a frog on a cannabis plant at Galactic Farms [Photo by Indy Riggs]

Frog on a cannabis plant at Galactic Farms [Photo by Indy Riggs]

However, cannabis advocates and farmers are aghast about the implications of the HCRI, calling the initiative a “death blow,” “the practical elimination of cannabis countywide,” and they say, the initiative does not accomplish what it claims to do for small farmers or the environment.  

Ross Gordon, the Policy Director at Humboldt County Growers Alliance (HCGA), a cannabis advocacy organization, spoke at the October 25 Board meeting where Supervisors chose the option of allowing the initiative  to go to voters. 

Gordon said, “This initiative’s title and stated purpose…–‘restrict large scale cannabis cultivation in Humboldt’…–is plainly, and simply not accurate. In fact, every provision, rule and restriction in this initiative would be applicable to all farms,” and would lead to “bureaucratic strangulation for cannabis farms in the county.” 

Gordon explained that he believes the initiative is based on a lack of awareness about current cannabis policy and the implications for farmers, in part because, “These rules and restrictions were developed without public process and input.” 

Gordon said he thought seven thousand people signed the petition as a result of being misled, saying, “They felt it would support small scale farmers and [the initiative] does not do this.” 

Some Supervisors agreed with Gordon’s sentiment in the October meeting. District One Supervisor Rex Bohn said he was asked to sign the HCRI petition a couple of times, and felt “it was kind of misrepresented a little bit–like it was going to take out the mega grows.” 

Bohn thought in reality the HCGI would instead harm all farmers who are already “on their knees” by “basically kick[ing] them in a grave.”

Ladybug Herbal Sanctuary–One Farm Against the Initiative

Ladybugs curled up on a cannabis leaf at Ladybug Herbal Sanctuary. [Photo by EB Photography]

Ladybugs curled up on a cannabis leaf at Ladybug Herbal Sanctuary. [Photo by EB Photography]

According to Nathan Whittington, if this initiative passes, it would mean the end of decades of efforts to sustain a high quality product and unique genetics for medical consumers, in addition to the end of his dream of owning a canna-tourism business.

Mr. Whittington and his family own and operate Ladybug Herbal Sanctuary, a legacy regenerative, 2,500 sq. ft. cannabis farm, with a small nursery, on the southside of Ferndale, near the Eel River. Historically their property was a sheep farm with an apple orchard. Today, their family still works the orchard, now alongside a company that makes hard apple cider. They also raise goats for meat and chickens for organic eggs. 

Whittington said he could have obtained a much larger cultivation permit, but he opted not to because he wanted to represent his roots as a small-scale legacy cannabis farmer. 

Whittington said he does this work “for love, not money,” adding, “I’m not doing this to get rich, I just want to feed my family from a farm.” 

Photo of goats eating cannabis fan leaves at Ladybug Herbal Sanctuary, [ Photo by Nathan Whittington]

Goats eating cannabis fan leaves at Ladybug Herbal Sanctuary, [ Photo by Nathan Whittington]

He says he is currently operating his cannabis farm at a loss.

Whittington explained, “It costs me $316 to produce a pound [of cannabis], and I can sell it for $350 if I’m lucky, not including processing costs, or cultivation tax.”

The transition to a legal cannabis industry has not been easy, and not just for farmers, but for non-pot-friendly communities alike. 

The Initiative’s Proponents

People come to Humboldt for a whole host of reasons, occasionally it’s to settle down, retire and enjoy the abundant natural beauty the county has to offer. While legalization brought cannabis into the light of legitimacy, it also brought farms into view of their neighbors, instead of hidden behind fences, underground, or in grow rooms. When a commercial farm moves in next door, naturally this can be disruptive for folks who are not familiar with the plant or culture, or those who just want to sustain the landscapes as is. 

Last fall, the cannabis reform initiative was born from such tensions, when a group of concerned Kneeland residents gathered with Humboldt County Supervisors Rex Bohn, Mike Wilson, and Planning and Building Dept. Director John Ford. In the meeting, the residents expressed their strong opposition to a new 44,000 sq. ft. cannabis permit application which they felt would drastically change their community, impact their views, and compromise their water resources. The community also cited discontent with not being informed by the county in advance about the project. (That cultivation project has since been reduced to 10,000 sq. ft. according to the owner who called into the October meeting). 

Thurmond, who helped craft the Initiative, argues, “Many farmers don’t understand the impact their industry has had, especially on rural residents.”

Screenshot from HCRI website

Screenshot from HCRI website

So Mark Thurman, Betsy Watson and others formed a group last year. They hired an attorney from San Francisco to draft a proposal that would address what they felt were undesirable conditions in their community that they perceive to be a direct result of the growing cannabis industry. 

Doe, the proponent who prefers to remain anonymous, cited her concern over generator use, and explained, “I don’t care what they have for conditions of approval, the county monitoring is totally failing…It’s not protecting our watersheds… The wells, the way the County kinda pushed [farmers] into doing them, as if there’s an unlimited amount of groundwater…There is not an unlimited amount of water. It’s all connected.”

In the late October Supervisors meeting, one of the initiative’s proponents, Betsy Watson, detailed her primary motivation for organizing around the HCGI was “truck traffic,” “plastic garbage,” and her desire to sustain water resources which she feels are being increasingly jeopardized by cannabis farming. 

Doe concurred saying, “One thing the HCRI would do is stop new grows, and that would be a positive thing.” 

Cannabis Concerns

However, the Director of the Humboldt County Growers Alliance Natalynne DeLapp stated in a report to her members, “The rationale for the HCRI is based on the false claim that the Humboldt County Cannabis industry is expanding; in fact, Humboldt’s cannabis industry is contracting.” 

Contracting quite rapidly, too.  In an interview this summer with Sheriff Billy Honsal, he confirmed there were only 2,500-3,500 black market farms remaining (some of which could be medical gardens) out of the original 10,000-20,000 pre-Proposition 64 farms, and, of the 1000 cultivation permits, only about 75% were operating this year. 

That means approximately twenty-five percent of farms exist today, as compared to farms which existed pre-legalization (this is a very rough estimate based on 15,000 farms on average pre-legalization, and an approximately 3,750 in operation today–medical, permitted, and traditional. This figure does not account for new farms either, so it could be that more than 75% of farms that existed pre-legalization are out of business today).  

Consequently, the cannabis community has felt the pinch of reduced farms, leading to notable job loss, and all the social woes that tend to accompany industry collapse, including what concerned community members believe is growth in the number of suicides, overdoses, violence, crime, and the economic decline that has rippled out to businesses and residents, who might not even have a direct affiliation with the industry. 

Jane Doe acknowledges the little farmers have been largely put out of business, but disputes the sense of contraction of the cannabis industry in Alderpoint, Honeydew, and other communities where she says plastic hoop houses are increasingly lining the hills. Doe asks,

If [the market is] contracting, then why on earth is the county recommending approval of a five acre new grow in Petrolia this Thursday? For the people who live around there, they don’t care how big the parcel is…The Petrolia farm…is proposing 34 workers…Where are all these people going to come from?

Galactic Farms

Organic produce grown at Galactic Farms [Photo by Indy Riggs]

Organic produce grown at Galactic Farms [Photo by Indy Riggs]

For Indy Riggs and his family’s “Galactic Farm,” they see the implications of the initiative differently than Doe. Riggs said, “The hope to sustain a small family farm would be taken away if this initiative passes.”

The Riggs family live on a breathtaking legacy homestead right on the Eel River, off the Avenue of the Giant’s in the redwood forest. It’s the sort of property you’d find in a Better House and Garden Magazine, or where you’d hope to land if civilization collapsed. All the produce one could crave is right there in their yard, alongside bees for honey, chickens and a vast medicinal herb crop beyond their 3,000 sq. ft. cannabis garden.

Indy Riggs explained after three years, he finally got his cultivation permit, adding, “It was originally my father’s farm. He passed away in the middle of the [permit] process in 2019, so I finished in his honor, and this year will be my first year of operation.”

Sadly, the Rigg’s multi-generational dream comes true, just as the market tanks. Which is one point of contention for farmers who feel the HCRI couldn’t have come at a worse time. Some spent years and their life savings to get permits, that now hold little to no value, and that may even be threatened if the HCRI passes.Butterfly in medicinal flower garden at Galactic Farms [Photo by Indy Riggs]

Butterfly in the medicinal flower garden at Galactic Farms [Photo by Indy Riggs]Riggs hopes his micro-businesses that include on-site tasting, sales, garden tours, and farm stays, would help their farm stay afloat during trying times. After all, their farm doesn’t just have deep roots, but something unique—location! location! location! Their homestead couldn’t be situated in a better place to realize their dream of cannabis-tourism and other micro businesses for their family farm.  That was until they read the initiative, which they see as not just the end of their own micro-canna businesses, but the end of the industry, and a nail in the coffin of the county’s entire economy. 

Many, like Riggs, are asking why the initiative would aim to reduce farms more than legalization has already.  

The End of “New Applications for Cultivation”

Humboldt County Director of Planning and Building, John Ford, was asked by Supervisor Michelle Bushnell in the October 25 meeting about the initiative’s impact on current permitted cultivators and future cultivators.  

Ford explained that in his opinion, the initiative would essentially “prohibit new applications for cultivation.” He added, “There are only two permits left to be allocated and every other watershed is over that amount, so there would be no additional permits left that could be processed.”  

Ford elaborated that the reason the HCRI would end new applications for cultivation was mainly a result of

1. increased watershed limitation caps in the initiative

and

2. The requirement for extensive road upgrades to Category Four. 

Ford explained those “are two things that would preempt new applications from being submitted.”

Screenshot of resolution 18-43 that sets the current countywide and watershed caps

Screenshot from Director John Ford’s presentation during Supervisors meeting, displaying caps by watershed at maximum capacity if HCRI passes and screenshot of resolution 18-43 that sets the current countywide and watershed caps.

However, Mark Thurmond told us that the current lack of cultivation caps is of great concern to their group. Thurmond said the watershed cap only applies if the initiative goes through, adding, ”If this doesn’t go through, they can keep going another 2000 permits, they can put huge mega grows wherever they want. There is no current cap.” 

Humboldt County Code Section 55.4.6.8 and 55.4.5.1 does indicate there is a cap on permits today based on watersheds that review water flow data and applicable data from state and local agencies. 

The HCC states,

The total number of permits issued for commercial cultivation activities…shall be equally distributed among each of the twelve (12) discrete planning watersheds of Humboldt County as directed by the Board of Supervisors by Resolution. Once the permit cap for a given watershed has been reached, no additional permit applications for open air cultivation activities will be processed until the Planning Commission and Board of Supervisors …approves an increase in the cap.

During his analysis to the Supervisors, Director Ford said there are not only some caps in certain sensitive watersheds, but also a cap of 10 farms in the County that are over three acres (that can only exist on parcels 320 acres or more).

“We have around seven farms that are over three acres now,” Ford explained in the meeting, so there are only three possible larger sized permits left to obtain, under CCLUO 2.0 as it stands today.

Jane Doe disputes the entire idea of caps as they are used now telling us,

They have no correlation to the environmental impact…The caps are total [bs]. They arbitrarily went through the watershed and found out how many permits and acres, but the water use depends on what kind of permit….on the number of crops…whether it is mixed light, and how many [harvests]  annually.

Category Four Roads for All of Humboldt?

Ford said, “[If the initiative passed it] would now require all roads be Category Four, and not all roads in the county are.” 

Ross Gordon, the Policy Director of HCGA clarified what this means for small scale cultivators “mostly operating under Ordinance 1.0,” saying, “Ordinance 1.0 clearly does not require Category 4, and the initiative would effectively pull them into Category 4 if they ever want to expand.”

DeLapp estimated to HCGA members, the average cost to upgrade roads to Category Four standard is “$100,000 per mile,” illustrating what this added cost could mean to rural farms— extinction.

Owner of DTN Engineering, David Nicoletti, told us he believes the Initiative, if passed, would have a much worse financial impact on cultivators than HCGA’s estimation. He explained, “Based on current prices of labor and supplies, I would say it’s closer to $200,000-$250,000 per mile… particularly in Rancho, Mad River, and Salmon Creek, where it can cost much more.”

Nicoletti not only helped over 200 county residents with their engineering needs, he also assisted Cal Fire when they amended their requirements for stabilizing dirt roads. He has extensive experience developing agricultural roads as a county engineer in North Dakota, and has helped many cannabis farmers.

When asked how many farms Nicoletti has worked with who would meet the Category 4 standard, as laid out in the HCRI, Nicoletti said, “Not a single farm.” He added, “I cringe at this initiative.”

Nicoletti explained on a basic level, Category 4 means 20 feet wide with two travel lanes, with two feet of shoulder width, pull outs at every curve, and pull outs every so many feet on straightaways (More detailed description from the county website here).

However he also cited the “situations” section of the Humboldt County Roadway Design Manual which refers to circumstances when Category 4 is necessary, basically when you are going from rural regions to urban areas.

Nicoletti explained, “This criteria does not apply to rural Humboldt roads because the cannabis farms aren’t urbanizing a rural area.” 

According to Nicoletti, there is currently a list of county roads that are not Category 4 and cannabis farmers are expected to perform a road evaluation and pay for improvements already. For example, Nicoletti is currently working with the Rancho Sequoia Road Association and associated agencies to improve approximately 20 miles of mountainous roads and culverts of the existing roadway. Nicoletti shared some project details to get an idea of what road improvements entail.

Nicoletti said a recent project of upsizing a single culvert from 36 inch culvert to 72 inches cost $60,000, and said, “The Rancho project involves 54 culvert upgrades, 15 new culverts. It will cost $10 million, and that’s just to improve it, not to bring it up to Category 4.”

John Ford, the County Planning Director, stated in the late October Board of Supervisors meeting there was “confusion” on current road requirements by the proponents, and that previously neither the Commercial Cannabis Land Use Ordinance 1.0 or 2.0 required roads to be Category 4. Ford stated, “This initiative would change that.” 

The proponents of the initiative disagree. They claim on their website, “Even without the initiative, the county’s ordinances already require roads providing access to cannabis cultivation parcels or premises to meet Category 4 road standards.”

When Thurmond was asked about the discrepancy, he explained, “This is a misunderstanding,” and he alleged again that “Ordinance 2.0 section 4, 55.4.2.1.8.2 does require roads to be Category 4.”

Though Thurmond acknowledged the CCLUO 2.0 also says, “Category 4…or practical effect,” he stated, “Right now that Category 4 standard or practical effect is assessed by the person owning the permit or parcel, not an engineer. Just like every other commercial enterprise a licensed engineer has to assess the standard of the road.”

Though David Nicoletti refutes Thurmond’s statement, and said there are already barriers in place to prevent these misrepresentations of fact in the permit process. For example, he spoke about a case where a property owner made the Category 4 claim, however, the County kicked his application back and insisted he hire an engineer to assess. He then hired Nicoletti to do a proper road analysis, they pooled funds from the road association and other farmers, to complete 12 miles of road repairs in order to get his permit approved. 

Nicoletti clarified the basic difference between Category 4 and Category 4 equivalent, saying, “ A Category 4 road has specific criteria regarding width and slopes, but an equivalent Category 4 road allows for narrowing of the roadway for things such as trees, culverts etc. basically a road that can accommodate the existing and proposed traffic.”

“There’s a lot more to it than just Category 4,” Nicoletti said. He explained, “Category 4 road standards have no relevance to the type and amount of traffic that’s occurring in the rural areas of Humboldt County.” 

However, Thurmond said, “The standard is already there, it says it has to be Category 4 or practical effect. That’s not something any other commercial operation gets to do, so this is an attempt to make this fair and equitable.” 

Eugene Denson, a criminal defense and cannabis attorney disagrees with Thurmond. He explained, “The initiative is not attuned to practical facts…This is apples and t-shirts arguing. No other use exists for the vast mileage of abandoned logging roads. No other commercial enterprise wants to use them except pot farms and loggers, and loggers are not held to Category 4 road standards.”

In addition, opponents argue that the Initiative could actually stress the environment. Nicoletti, for instance, said, “My primary ethical concern as a civil engineer is public and environmental safety.  The fact that [the proponents] want to impact the environment so greatly, when it is unnecessary, is very disturbing to me ethically.”

Attorney Eugene “ED” Denson agreed with Nicoletti,  and illustrated the environmental impact of improving the roads in the county to these standards, and continued, “It would be wonderful if the many miles of private roads were up to Category 4, and the proper entity to make them so is the County. Of course, the environmental consequences would be enormous. Widening, say, 1000 miles of dirt roads 10 feet to bring them up to the Category 4 standards involves about 1320 acres to be clear cut and bulldozed. And these acres are strung out across many more acres of forest land where the noise and dust would affect wildlife for weeks. These roads would allow greater traffic and higher speeds, increasing road kill, and considerably more noise and pollution…I’m sure the proponents didn’t think this through.”

Small v. Large Farms  

Beehive on porch overlooking Galactic Farms. [Photo by Indy Riggs]

Beehive on porch overlooking Galactic Farms. [Photo by Indy Riggs]

Initiative proponents claim it will cut back on large-scale industrial farms, so there was extensive discussion at the October 25 Supervisors’ meeting about what a “large farm” is defined as, as there is currently no county consensus on this matter. 

During a ten minute presentation to the Supervisors, initiative proponent Betsy Watson explained the initiative categorized anything over 10,000 sq. ft. as a large farm. 

However, this seemed out of touch with Supervisor Bohn’s perspective, who said in the meeting, “I don’t see an acre on one hundred acres as a large commercial grow.” 

Ford told the Board there are counties in California that allow for 100’s of acres on a single grow site, whereas Humboldt County has an eight acre cap and only allows for ten farms total that are over three acres.

Humboldt County Cannabis farms are predominantly small-scale as defined by HCGA, and as compared to other agricultural industries statewide. According to Ross Gordon, over half of farms countywide are 10,000 sq. ft. and less. 

Gordon said, “This initiative is not about mega farms, it is about restricting all [cannabis] farms, 98% of which are under an acre [in Humboldt County].” 

According to opponents, if this initiative increases regulation requirements for all farms, mostly small scale farms could be adversely impacted, or worse, put out of business.  

Thurmond warned that if this initiative doesn’t pass, the county could approve thousands more cultivation permits.

Thurmond said, “We don’t know what’s to come in the future…We don’t know what the market’s going to do in three-four years. We may get a lot of people coming back in, especially large scale operations, corporations… buying up properties, putting multiple cultivation permits on a parcel. This initiative was intended to cap that.”

Are People Applying for Cultivation Permits Today?

But currently at least, the demand for cultivation permits is extremely low. During the late October meeting Second District Supervisor Michelle Bushnell asked Director Ford if anyone was applying for new permits of any size right now. “No,” Ford responded. “The primary permitting will be finishing applications.”

Which is another issue for farmers. 

Many have spent tens, if not hundreds of thousands, and years of their lives, just to come into compliance, though their permits sometimes remain in limbo for years. So if the HCRI passes, it could be a total loss, leaving them with nothing to show for their efforts and investments. 

In his presentation to the Supervisors, Ford expressed his concern for the implications for permit applicants who are not yet through the process. Ford detailed that “it’s not clear what the intent is, but a conservative reading” of the initiative says HCGI has the potential to prevent farmers from getting a permit who are still waiting in the queue for their final approval. Ford mentioned there were hundreds left waiting on environmental studies and he isn’t sure what their fate would be.

Ford said, “[Those unapproved permit applicants] might not get through the process at all if HCGI passes.” 

“Double Standard” and Water Use 

In October’s meeting, Supervisor Bushnell raised the issue of water and why cannabis was singled out in the HCRI– why didn’t the initiative apply equally to all agricultural crops countywide. 

Supervisor Bushnell said “her heart was racing” as she spoke to the proponents of the initiative, saying, ”You weren’t inclusive of everything, just cannabis. You don’t mind if there are fifty acres of grapes next to your house, but you mind if there is an acre of cannabis. [The initiative] affects people that have spent their [life savings] trying to come into compliance …I am sad that this is going this way. I feel heartbroken for the cannabis community, and I don’t understand why you targeted only cannabis.” 

Thurmond explained why to this reporter. He said “There’s precedent case law that would not allow that, and it’s in violation of state specifications for one topic [per ordinance].” 

DeLapp shared a similar view as Bushnell in her analysis for HCGA members, writing, “The HCGI re-entrenches a double standard only applicable to cannabis cultivation.” 

Photo of bee on cannabis flower at Galactic Farms

Bee on cannabis flower at Galactic Farms.

Given that water resources are a primary motivator for the proponents, DeLapp compared the scope of water use for cannabis v. other agricultural commodities in the County, by extrapolating data from the Water Board, UC Berkeley, and other sources on the Eel River Valley Groundwater Basin, which stretches from Loleta to Scotia, and from the ocean to Carlotta. DeLapp wrote to HCGA members that cannabis cultivation uses “6.5% of the total water usage by non- cannabis agriculture in this basin.” 

And, in what might be a deeply ironic outcome for those voting for the initiative to slow water use, opponents say that if the cannabis industry collapse continues, some farmers are weighing whether to pivot to other ag industries that could potentially use more water, and have a more intense effect on the ecosystem.

That’s what Whittington is considering. He said, “If this initiative goes through as written, I’m probably going to give up my dream of a tourism business and shut down my micro-cannabis farm and start growing acres of hops instead, and pump my well dry to feed my hop farm, that they can’t regulate…We’ll grow hops and alfalfa, maybe dahlias again…With no fees…I’ll pay $30 to the ag dept. vs. the $35,000 [I paid for a cannabis permit].”

Added Hurdles and Moving Goal Posts

An additional concern from farmers and their allies is the added hurdles the HCRI poses for existing permit holders. For example, the initiative text could be interpreted to lump the “expansion” of cannabis farms with the expansion of sustainable infrastructure.  

DeLapp detailed in a policy analysis to HCGA members, writing, “The HCRI defines “expansion” to include any increase in the “number or size of any structures used in connection with cultivation”- a definition which includes water storage, renewable energy systems, and many other structures necessary for compliance and environmental sustainability.” 

Director Ford states that if the HCRI passes, “In terms of existing permit holders… if they are over 10,000 sq. ft., they would be legal non-conforming.” And he seemed to concur with DeLapp’s analysis in the October meeting in regards to water and solar considered as “expansion.” 

Ford stated, “They would continue to be legal permits…but they couldn’t expand and there is some question to how much they could modify their property…Could they add water tanks…solar…[or other improvements] that could be highly beneficial from an environmental standpoint?” 

However, Thurmond disputes this and explained HCGA’s analysis is inaccurate and there was a misunderstanding in the reading of the initiative pertaining to expansion, disputing that expansion will not apply to infrastructure upgrades, only cultivation permits. Thurmond stated in an email, 

The language that precedes the examples is ignored. It is unambiguous, and states ‘”Expanded”, when used to describe commercial cannabis cultivation sites, uses, operations or activities, — shall mean an increase in the size, intensity, or resource usage of commercial cannabis cultivation activities”…unless there is an increase in a resource, the definition of ‘Expanded’ would not apply and an additional storage tank or solar panels would not require a hearing. In fact, the addition of water storage and alternative power systems, without increased usage, would be in line with the stated purpose of the initiative.

However, he said in a letter to the editor to this publication in May, “It’s true that adding new water tanks might be interpreted as an expansion and might require modification of an existing permit. Where an existing farm had previously self-certified that all roads met the Category 4 standard, a new expansion might require an engineer to verify that claim.”

One Permit Per Person or Parcel Allowed? 

Photo of garden at Galactic Farms

Garden at Galactic Farms

Nathan Whittington, one of the small farmers described above, said one of his biggest concerns with the HCRI is the perceived limitation of one cannabis related permit per person or parcel, which he says, “does not meet the needs of our small farmers. The way [HCRI is] written…I have a cultivation permit, I have a nursery permit and I just applied for a micro business license…but I won’t be able to have any of those if this passes. I’d only be able to keep my cultivation permit, which is worthless.” 

Mark Thurmond, one of the initiative’s backers, said he is confused why farmers believe this, adding, “There is a misinterpretation. This [initiative] does not limit any other permits, except cultivation permits…They want to say this initiative stops tourism permits, stops re-sale…The initiative specifically says from the beginning that it deals with commercial cultivation permits, there is no mention of tourism or other permits.” 

The initiative’s Section CC-P5 states,

Multiple Permits. No approval of a permit for commercial cannabis cultivation shall result in either of the following: (a) any one person holding more than one active permit approved after the Effective Date of the Humboldt Cannabis Reform initiative at the same time, or (b) more than one active permit approved after the Effective Date of the Humboldt Cannabis Reform Initiative on the same legal parcel at the same time.

Cannabis attorney Eugene Denson interprets the text to mean, “(a) is one permit per person (b) is one permit per parcel – i.e. two people can’t each have a permitted farm on the same parcel.”

As far as ancillary business and infrastructure permits, Denson states, “At best the initiative is ambiguous here. It doesn’t say ”one cultivation permit.” It says “one active permit” without specifying it means one cultivation permit…This is an open door for years of litigation, especially on a crucial point like defining ‘one active permit.'”

Ford said he interprets the initiative to mean that it does not allow for, “multiple permits [to] be held by an individual, or multiple permits held on a property and it’s unclear if that’s just cannabis cultivation permits, or if that includes nursery processing, distribution, canna-tourism, micro-business, …[and] other value added markets to support cannabis cultivation… [Additionally,] it makes it difficult to modify an existing permit.”

While Mr. Thurmond is not a lawyer, he said, “The county has the right to interpret the text and implement the ordinance so more than one permit could be held by one person or parcel, adding, “If the county wants to interpret it that way, that’s not what the language says, that’s not the intent.”

HCGA’s Ross Gordon is skeptical, “I think if they meant “multiple cultivation permits,” they should have written “multiple cultivation permits.” He added, “The initiative specifically defines commercial cannabis cultivation to include nurseries and processing onsite.” 

Gordon concluded, “So even if the proponents are correct that “multiple permits” means “multiple cultivation permits, there is no question these [nursery and processing] permits would be prohibited if the HCRI were to pass.”

Riggs said, “The language was ambiguous, but it directly affects my operation because I would only be able to do this 3,000 sq. ft. cultivation permit.” He added, “I just initiated conversations with the county about a nursery, on-site consumption, tourism, farm stays and more— But for that I’d need a special use permit. With the HCRI I wouldn’t be able to do that.” 

David Nicoletti said, “This initiative makes absolutely no sense. In my opinion economically-speaking, it will categorize and solidify a hierarchy of farmer, distributor and retailer, and typically in agriculture the farmer gets the short end of the stick…This initiative means you will not be able to get vertically integrated. From a business standpoint, vertical integration means you control the entire chain from seed to market, and that’s the only way farmers are going to make it.”

Escapable Conclusions

Proponents and opponents of the Initiative don’t agree on what it says nor on what its effects will be.

Cannabis attorney Eugene Denson shared his over-arching opinion about HCRI with us, writing, “[The initiative ] is an attempt to close down cannabis cultivation using the environment as a cover.  We don’t need more regulation, we need sensible regulation placing the least burden possible on the family farmer hoping to have a livelihood. The initiative is designed to increase the burden in a situation where the local growers are already in such poor financial condition that the Board of Supervisors had to cancel the Measure S tax this year, and people are leaving the area because existing regulations make it impossible for anyone without outside investors to survive.”

Whittington, one of the cannabis farmers quoted above, told us, “Whether you are pro or anti-cannabis, you have good cause to be opposed to this passing” if for no other reason than because the initiative promises to bog down the Planning Commission and Planning Dept. for all projects and add unbearable costs to residents of the county.”

He explained, “This initiative will result in additional costs for all taxpayers, slowing down all projects. Properties will keep going into default and the county is eventually going to take on the property and liability. The way this is written it will cost everyone more money.”

The proponents believe that the purpose of the Initiative “is to amend the Humboldt County General Plan in order to protect residents, landowners, and our beautiful natural environment from harm caused by large-scale industrial cannabis cultivation.” 

Thurmond, one of the backers, noted to the Lost Coast Outpost, “I have empathy for growers who spent a lot of money getting [their operations] going…But I think what we don’t hear about is all the lives that other people put in, the decades of saving to build a place in the country to not only retire but to live the last years of their life — only to have it essentially done asunder, in some cases, destroyed by the county forcing upon them these operations that take water, they pollute the air, cause a lot of noise, create dangerous traffic issues, bring in criminal elements.”

The discrepancies between what the proponents and opponents believe will occur may only be solved by litigation after the Initiative passes—if it does.

Planning Director John Ford warned in the Supervisors meeting that there is no way to rewrite the initiative before it is given to the voters. He said, “The election code requires the petition that was submitted to the people who signed… is what goes to the electorate. You cannot negotiate a compromise after this.”

Thurmond, however, believes the Initiative can be modified in the future,

[T]he Measure’s mandates could also be changed by a measure put forward, through public hearing, by the BoS to be placed on a ballot for a vote of the people. Other changes can be made by the BoS without a hearing to increase the forbearance period or decrease the caps. The definitions can be amended by the BoS without a vote of the people to conform to future definition amendments in state statutes and regulations.

With respect to Ordinance 2.0, other parts of the ordinance can be changed without a vote of the people so long as the changes are consistent with the Measure and the rest of the General Plan. In Section 7 (F), the Measure creates additional flexibility by allowing/encouraging the BoS to adopt “implementing ordinances”, as necessary to further the Measure’s purposes.

Doe, the anonymous proponent quoted above, said she wasn’t sure if she would vote for the initiative yet, and told us,

I love marijuana, I’ve grown and used it most of my life, I’m not against it at all. I’m into protecting our real legacy growers, but every benefit they are given, so are these [growers who damage the environment]…I’m still hoping the County makes changes to address these issues…It depends on what the County does, if I vote for it.

She told us, “I’m lukewarm on the HCRI, but I think something needed to happen to help wake up the supervisors…When signing, I thought the County would see it, be concerned it would pass, then go through and make changes to current cannabis policies.”

Whether the Humboldt County Cannabis Reform Initiative is the end of small scale craft farms that made Humboldt cannabis world famous, or a needed reprieve for communities suffering from the impacts of marijuana farming, the interpretation of the initiative’s text and the resulting implications to the farmers are critical–some cannabis activists think the wrong interpretation could be fatal to their farms.

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B Honest
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B Honest
3 years ago

Humboldt County definitely messed up cannabis legalization.

Favoritism definitely took place.

Just look at all the new cultivation approved prior to getting the small pre-existing farmer to work.

Here is why I am voting NO.

We all had time to speak up at all these public hearings. Planning commission and Zoning hearings are all open to the public for comments.

Where were these 7,000 people when Rolling Meadow Ranch was being appealed??????

2,000 of us signed a petition and it was ignored.

Then on my small farms appeal not one person was against my farm besides elected officials and paid government employees.

Not one agency disapproved my cultivation site only locally elected and appointed employees.

That’s how messed up cannabis legalization is in Humboldt county.

So I say to every person who doesn’t like cannabis to look into each individual permit and ask questions.

Don’t ruin it for us small guys who did everything right yet we still got run over by the county.

You really should have had a town hall meeting and invited those in the industry to participate in finding solutions to our mega grow problem that is only supported by the Board and the planning department.

Us small farmers want to build a long lasting community here and not just rape the land.

We could have moved to Oklahoma for that. They have an open door policy to any size grow.

We want a community in the greatest place in America called Humboldt County.

smh
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smh
3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

I agree with your points but in the end none of the decisions made locally actually mattered. Because Los Angeles another Southern California cities allowed the sudden and rampant expansion of indoor grows, brokers no longer had any incentive to drive up to humble county, especially as consumers begin to disband indoor flower only.

B Honest
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B Honest
3 years ago
Reply to  smh

Santa Barbara and Monterey quickly outgrew Humboldt.

Those counties fast tracked permits while we fought tooth and nail with our local authorities.

In the long run Humboldt will prevail. There is no overproduction of weed. It is the most sought after commodity.

The shortage is in legal avenues to sell our product. Retail stores were so costly that they went vertical to survive.

They can’t afford to sell outsiders product. They have to sell in house products or go bankrupt.

Humboldt will have it’s day again once we find out the solution to retail sales statewide.

National sales will only help as well. NYC and so many other places crave Humboldt weed.

smh
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smh
3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

It wasn’t product from Monterey or Santa Barbara that crushed us. It’s the indoor from LA.

There is absolutely unequivocally an oversupply. Simply look at the state of the black market who does not sell retail at all.

And retail consumers are not shopping for “sun-grown”.

B Honest
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B Honest
3 years ago
Reply to  smh

Retailers don’t shop for sun grown because it’s not available.

I meet a broker this weekend.
There warehouse was filled with thousands of pounds.

My outdoor was on fire compared to the shwag I saw.

Yet their best offer was $250 per lb on a 100 pack.

I would rather give it away than fund a mega corp with cheap weed.

.52 per gram is what the market is paying wholesale.

So where is that $4 gram being sold at retail. It doesn’t. Farmers are not respected because they have zero outlet for product besides going through a licensed monopoly.

Retail monopolies is what California legalized.

90k
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90k
3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

Perhaps a tiny niche market. Unfortunately public companies can operate at huge losses over the long term. For example:Tesla only became a profitable company after seventeen years! last quarter glass house reported flower is costing them $168 to produce x +-25,000 units (depo).

Vective
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Vective
3 years ago
Reply to  90k

Tesla only became profitable after receiving huge government incentives. SpaceX only became profitable after being awarded huge government contracts. The same goes for Elon’s Boring Co. … … …

Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

Santa Barbara and even Monterey had a federal developed water system in place by the 1930s taking water from farther north. Part of the State Water System. When that ran low, they developed a water purification system to treat waste water and storm run off to recharge their aquifers. Good luck with getting that in a long term drought. We’re the place that supplies water. Not the place that gets to use it.

Legallettuce
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3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

You’re the smartest one of the bunch. Ya nailed the issue exactly. The corporate strategy of overproduction though is two-fold. As the corporations began to produce they also created an environment to purchase the product for less than they can produce viola legals so called overproduction. Anyone who says the traditional market is in the same state as legal is full of shit. Humboldt outdoor weed still gettin $150 to $250 an ounce across this great land. Doubt me then go to another state and try and purchase a zip of humboldt weed. Triangle growers are the best growers of weed in the world and the world knows it.

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smh
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smh
3 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Problem is brokers are not coming to buy Humboldt weed, even though consumers would be happy to buy it.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
3 years ago
Reply to  smh

Brokers continue to buy hundreds and hundreds of pounds of humboldt weed daily. Our near monopoly is gone and the margins are worse but the spice continues to flow

Legallettuce
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3 years ago
Reply to  smh

//brokers are not coming//

lol, yea the days of DEP growers from ’96 (I saw my first hoop in ’93 is about when the rants started against us outdoor growers) til now was a fantasy that destroyed our industry, I have no love lost for any of you.

Now the reality is medical/DEP and corporations/indoor are seeing an established market that’s been goin for 50 years plus dominate. We never went away we just went further back in our hills away from ya’ll. We never relied on brokers cause once you idiots handed the keys to buyers we knew business in this state would decline. Go travel, go meet some people and make some friends. The ole adage of “A friend with weed is a friend indeed” is a strong marketing tool accross this land when you’re from Humboldt.

wow
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wow
3 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

we were deppnig in the 80’s sporty. back then we called black box.

Legallettuce
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3 years ago
Reply to  wow

Ahhh, not a term I heard interesting. Think if I’d seen something like that then I would of called it indoor. I never saw a hoop til the early 90s personally. I heard tale prior about grows in Alaska using hoops.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
3 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

My dad and his friends called it black box. Maybe your roots aren’t as deep as you thought?

Farce
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Farce
3 years ago
Reply to  wow

Yup. Didn’t do it but neighbors did. They called it black box. It seemed like a lot of extra work back then! But then they were done and on vacation in September while we ran from helicopters lol!

Know your rights
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Know your rights
3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

You are not being honest with yourself

Misguided
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Misguided
3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

I don’t think that’s true that other places crave Humboldt weed.. they crave weed that gets you baked, which they all have, in house. Lots of growers moving to mother states to work for companies that are killing it they don’t want Cali weed and don’t need it

B Honest
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B Honest
3 years ago
Reply to  Misguided

Just like people don’t want California or Florida oranges.

So true they would rather have those oranges from New Mexico and Nevada.

Obviously you don’t travel far from the triangle.

Humboldt outdoor has and always will be sought after from every corner of our country.

Our #1 issue is getting the product into a vertical monopoly.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

Laws of economics say otherwise. Maybe no overproduction, I find that hard to believe, but definitely overpriced. We are in an inflationary cycle right now. Prices of commodities are rising everywhere, the only commodities that drop in price during an inflationary cycle are products that were overpriced to begin with.

Weed is dropping in price still, and it’s an inflationary cycle, that means weed is one of those overpriced commodities.

Huh?
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Huh?
3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

Is there anyone out there who feels that they were misled or coerced into signing this?

Just Sayin
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Just Sayin
3 years ago
Reply to  Huh?

I personally witnessed member of this nimby group blatantly misleading people at the Humboldt County Fair. Or lying if you’d prefer to be blunt.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Huh?

There was definitely one very aggressive man at the fair that kept repeatedly pushing the initiative in my personal space, insisting that I sign it, after numerous times of telling him that there was no way I was signing it.

ED Denson
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ED Denson
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

That sounds like a person being paid on a per signature basis. I thought this was done with well intentioned locals??

Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Marijuana is a crop that can be grown efficiently, cleanly, and legally, in hygienic enormous greenhouses, funded by billionaires as an afterthought.

It’s an investment, and the biggest will win, like Amazon vs Woolworths.

Kick and fuss all you want, the little guy will have a tough time, and soon, it will get worse as inevitable federal legalization occurs.

There’s already a glut, and a drought. We don’t need more dope, we need less.

The economics of dope farming are clearly understood. Not everyone can support themselves, growing dope…

Your County is corrupt, and the leaders are simple crooks and buffoons… Humboldt County should have been out in front of the whole thing, but now, it’s too late…

Boutique weed for aging drug dilletants is the future, but they probably won’t want to travel to Humboldt, or pay the prices there…

Everyone should grow their own, and, weed should be cheap as cheap-ass beer.

You are not special. Get a fuckin job, you hippies…

B Honest
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B Honest
3 years ago

Hahaha

So funny how little respect you have for farmers.

Get a fuckin job you hippies.

Funny how hippies have created a $30 billion dollar industry.

I guess weed is just a fad.

Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

It is not a fad at all, but growing dope it is a lifestyle become unsupportable…

If you make $30 billion happen, then why don’t you have a bigger piece of it?

Humboldt weed has been a thing for 50 years, but suggesting that Humboldt growers have the ability to organize makes me laugh my ass off…

The only people who will make a living there, growing dope, will be Mrs Bushnell, Mr Bohn, and their families. And black market cowboys with highly organized vertically integrated marketeering…

That’s it, the end. If you grow it, you might be able to sell it, but the world has evolved while your county has not.

Most weed will be grown in highly financed and organized areas with adequate labor, transportation, and water. Period.

Our country is carefully arranged to make the rich richer, and nobody cares about a bunch of raggedy and ignorant old timers who whine and cling to the idea that they are entitled to do as they please…

There is no Social Security for Pot Farmers, and the smart ones worked careers and got CalPers Pensions.

No pension? Good luck out there!

B Honest
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B Honest
3 years ago

All I hear is bitterness.
Yeah the BoS is full of sh@#
John Ford allowed Clifford his right hand man lying on numerous applications.

I watched mega grows get permitted within a year yet most pre-existing took anywhere from 3-6 years.

So what we all got screwed but we still have a chance to make this amazing here.

We don’t compete with indoor shwag.

Ask your self this question.

Would you rather eat a perfectly round and red tomato grown indoors?

Or would you prefer
The outdoor all organic made without nutrients or pesticides but it’s not perfectly round and not perfectly red.

I will buy that outdoor organic tomato every time over an indoor produced by a corporation.

It’s not hard at all to see we have been shut out of the retail game

Local authorities allowed 2-4 shops per city.

That is called a monopoly.

These monopoly on retail will end soon and the market will open up to the best product period.

Humboldt will dominate then

Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

I get why you are bitter, but living in the past won’t help you…

Nobody fears change more than hereditary pot farmers…

My favorite ad from San Francisco:

https://www.purplestarmd.com/deals/

The world should be free dope, free love, free music and everything else Paul Kantner and Grace Slick dreamed of in 1970…

Your own personal dream, well, just keep smoking that shit, and maybe you will see a bright future…

Or move to Topanga and sell firewood, make jewelry, throw pots and hawk crystals at the Flea market…

I still say, a guy with an SUV full of lbs of Humboldt could clean up, in Hollywood, every weekend…

Your dope is great, but I don’t take drugs any more.

B Honest
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B Honest
3 years ago

Hahaha.

Sorry but I am not bitter one bit.

I know what lies ahead.
It’s those that didn’t go legal who are bitter.

Those traditional growers who did not transition keep pointing the finger at us that bite the bullet and played the game legally.

Those that have a permit are only needing more time to pass before we can impact the industry.

We got played locally by our BoS and planning department.

They screwed with those applying for a pre-existing and those that didn’t.

Pre-existing and abatements were treated the same.

The county only fast tracked new cultivation for their friends and took all of us pre-existing on a wild ride.

They created the perfect storm.

They got you traditional farmers to hate on the other traditional famers who went legal.

So again no bitterness here for all of you who stayed dark. Good luck it’s going to get harder and harder for you. Satellite imagery is looking at everyone.

Go hide your 50-100 plants back under trees. Again you do not impact the new market.

Just stop the hatred for those that went legal

It makes you sound like a sour puss

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Legallettuce
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3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

//Good luck it’s going to get harder and harder//

lol, good luck! I do wish you success but I am fortunate to get a view of all sides in this industry. I have not heard of any good strategies for legals. We are still a few months away from pushing our new approach to breach the corporate controlled cannabis retail space. I have not heard anything or anyone’s solution to get retail flowing down south from Humboldt other than what my group is attempting to accomplish.

Mendos web approach in Sacramento is positive but it’s prices are reflective of them having to use a third party. Marketing needs to be more driven and the third party needs to earn their cut. I say they gotta trim 5 pounds a month per brand for free, lol

Anyways my best advice is don’t be a small fish in a big pond your just circling with the corporate herd. Be a big fish in a small pond and drive your destiny. Ask the right questions you know this biz.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

Most consumers will take the perfectly round, red tomato and won’t look twice at where or how it was grown.

In order to compete you need to figure out how to grow that perfectly round, red tomato without any of the bells and whistles, or you will have to buy a few bells and whistles yourself so you have an edge. Then you will have to price your superior product competitively. You will not make as much money as you used to or want to but your business may have a chance at survival.

Also there are a lot of you who are full of it. If you can’t produce a pound of fire weed for less than $130 with trimming included, you have no business being in that business. So you either should rightly go out of business or you are lying about what you produce it for and are making money just fine. I have a dope grower friend of mine who told me, “if I don’t make at least $250,000 in a year I don’t know how I’m going to survive.” I said, “hmmm must be nice, sell one of your boats.” We haven’t spoken since.

I wholesale my organic produce cheaper than Sysco to our local stores and markets and I can carve out a living just fine, if I can do that with actual tomatoes then you dope growers can do it with your cash crop of marijuana.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
3 years ago

The only way to stop this initiative is a serious opposition campaign. You will need to develop a comprehensive strategy and pool resources. In addition to the normal yard signs, flyers, and buttons, a public outreach effort on social media, radio, and even TV is in order. Consider advertising online and in the local papers.

Booths and stands at every possible public event (farmers markets, holiday craft fairs, etc). Organize public forums and have cannabis supporters show up with respectful and articulate arguments. Show up in mass to every single initiative supporter events to counter their efforts. Overwhelmingly respond to any of their campaigns, letters to the editors, etc.

There’s going to be many other avenues to fight this, but the most crucial thing is for everyone to work together. I’d suggest HCGA to not be the lead in this effort. I think they can help, but they’ve proven to be too divisive to lead. This needs to be a grassroots situation and a new organization should be formed for this single purpose.

Get started now and roll out the campaign next spring. It going to be a challenge, but I believe the cannabis supporters have the ability to overcome this obvious anti-legal cannabis initiative. Best wishes from your emerald family in Trinity.

PS- we did something similar, but on a smaller scale in Trinity to oppose a punitive tax measure brought be a former Supe and supported by the CAO and sheriff. Don’t hesitate to reach out to us if needed.

Natalynne
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3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Hey Hayforker, would you be willing to speak with me? [email protected] or 707-599-6670.

Yep humboldt
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Yep humboldt
3 years ago

Old, white self righteous nymbies, willing to destroy county-wide the livelihood of so many good people just in an act of petty revenge against one attempted large farm near their place..worst is they know exactly what they are doing, and still persist even after stating that..their sanctimonious BS about this supposedly being about the environment is truly appalling

Dude
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Dude
3 years ago
Reply to  Yep humboldt

Exactly. Talk about a waste of time and effort maybe instead of trying to put honest folks out of business shouldn’t you guys be doing some positive for the community like trying to feed the homeless or something I don’t know just saying seems like there’s better things that you could be doing with your time that would probably enrich your life in many ways this just seems so hateful and spiteful really sad and pathetic and what a way to ruin your legacy within the community. Bless up

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
3 years ago
Reply to  Dude

Honest. Ha. I played that weed game for awhile. I did not find much honesty or integrity there! People try to treat each other as low and horrible as possible, price gouging and quality bashing. “Friends” eating “friends.” I mean the ol’ saying reflects pot growers perfectly: With friends like these who needs enemies?

What’s the difference between a pot grower and a thief? You may find a shred of integrity and reason in a thief.

The way ya’ll treat people and the community eventually comes full circle. I guess we’ll just see how many people sign the petition and all you growers can see if your whole song and dance about helping the community is true. Let’s see what the community you supposedly helped out has to say.

I say bury the whole damn thing. The unfortunate part is growers did not police their own and allowed the good ones to get swallowed up in a sea of shit. So sorry for those of you. Let’s see what the tribe has to say, I for one will sign it because I have no love for the pot growing community, because the legacy pot growing community had no problem eating one of their own multigenerational native sons.

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TM May
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TM May
3 years ago
Reply to  Yep humboldt

“Old, white self righteous nymbies..” Wow. The vitriol! Do you read your own writing? Hate much?

Garbage initiative
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Garbage initiative
3 years ago
Reply to  TM May

These petitioners call themselves “self-proclaimed nimby bunched panty tight wads” I certainly wouldn’t use those words to describe my pet project. Meanwhile all they are doing is pissing away money to a fancy Bay Area lawyer instead of doing things to actually make a better Humboldt. I’d be bummed if I was their kid, that’s their inheritance!!

More love, less law.
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More love, less law.
3 years ago

Fact: Most people born after 1960 favor complete decriminalization of marijuana. Why s there no measure to completely decriminalize? It would end all the cost/crime/resources baloney overnight.

smh
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smh
3 years ago

How would it make wealth people more wealthy? That’s the shortcoming.

NoGovernment
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NoGovernment
3 years ago

SOBER-UP PEOPLE

Dude
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Dude
3 years ago

Yeah I support this initiative Humboldt county rural land should only be for rich retirees. Using agzone land for agricultural purposes is offensive to me. After we get rid of weed we are going to go after livestock and traditional farming they smell bad and are loud.

Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago
Reply to  Dude

If all the pot growers disappeared overnight, the world would hardly notice. If all the farmers and ranchers diappeared overnight, there would be riots in the streets by the next day. Even politicians know this.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
3 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

“Pot” is one of the most widely used intoxicants on the planet. If all of the producers disappeared overnight it would be a matter of months before the tens of millions of regular users world wide noticed.

Clearly not approaching the level of impact of food, but this idea that it’s an inconsequential aspect of society is silly. We’re at the end of a 6 decade long grassroots political fight for access to pot.

Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago

Prohibition didn’t fly either. Doesn’t mean that alcohol doesn’t take a huge tool out of society. People love their vices. Doesn’t mean they are not vices.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
3 years ago
Reply to  Dude

Go grow weed on Ag land then! Oh that’s right, most of the land growing weed are zoned TPZ. How’s that red clay in the hills treat you?

Dude
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Dude
3 years ago

Betsy was a professor of mine back when I was at HSU I took a bunch of classes with her she was fine had a good grasp of the subject matter nice enough, really disappointed and disheartened to hear that this is what she’s getting into in retirement. Betsy don’t you have better things to do right now then trying to kill what’s left of the legal cannabis industry up here? I know where you’re at in kneeland there’s no farms in close vicinity to your home, you live in a pretty residential area how is this impacting you? That one project up in kneeland that everyone opposed … didn’t they decide not to move forward with it just because of market conditions? What’s the point of all this? It just seems like it’s hurting regular folks who are trying to do the right thing and make an honest living. You do you but man I’m so disappointed in this Boomer generation even the cool ones are lame.

Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago
Reply to  Dude

Yup. Boomers selfishly burned the wisdom inherited from their ancestors, leaving nothing but a gaping lack of it for the following generations.

Jocelyn Febreezy
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Jocelyn Febreezy
3 years ago

As a whole, chasing increased production is killing us. More value per unit would mean less could be grown for more return.
It doesn’t seem like this initiative will help. Increasing hurdles helps winnow out the small farms FOR the big ones. Hurdles can be overcome with money. It’s better to address aims directly. If you want less acreage, a State wide one acre cap would have worked. If you make it simply difficult, big players with lawyers can do it.
Thurman says it himself. He wants this to be a retirement community for people who’s economic, and environmental cost of earning a living are far behind them, or back in another county. Thurman earned his rural Humboldt Estate teaching at Davis? How many students of his are still paying off loans? How many gallons of Roundup have been applied according to ag systems promoted by the school? The biggest impact growing weed has on others is psychological. Nobody likes seeing a thirty-something buying and spending more than you in retirement!

More love, less law.
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More love, less law.
3 years ago

“As a whole, chasing increased production is killing us. More value per unit would mean less could be grown for more return.”

How about instead, decriminalize marijuana so natural and financial resources could be better directed? If everybody could grow it, backyard buds would about and people would trade freely among friends etc, and the “market”, which is a figment of force, would rightly collapse. People want and many feel they need weed. There should never have been any reason to run people into the ground over marijuana in the first place. Follow the money.

ED Denson
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ED Denson
3 years ago

I discovered lately, by doing the math – something I recommend to people – that California had 14,152,281 residential units. Every one of these qualifies to grow 6 plants if there is an adult in the house. Now, want some fun? Start by imagining 1# from each plant,work your way up to an average of 4# (the actual range seems to be almost no yield to about 12# each. There are 2592 licensed cannbis businesses, most of them farms I imagine. Say 2000 farms. Say 1000 pounds per farm. Two million pounds. Ok, now say 10,000.000 residential growers. At least 10 million pounds. And they can’t sell it but they can give it away in 1 oz units. Doesn’t sound like much but per day it adds up to a bit over 20# a year. I think thats enough for 6 million -6 pound smokers. Two pounds a plant = 12 million smokers. California population registered at all time high (about 88% of eligible people) 22 million. Maybe a universe of 25,000, 000 adult citizens. Throw in some non-citizens, call it 30,000. At 3 pounds per adult plant 18 million, 4#-24,000,000. So if we would all just in there and make sure every residence with an adult in planted a freedom garden everyone in California could have 5 or more pounds per year, free.
Perhaps a group of adult growers can have a booth at local harvest fairs and distribute (to adults only) a free oz that would be a start. (Actually you’d have to hand out vouchers People would have to come to your house to get the oz since you can’t transport more than 1 oz.

Well, lots of ways to have fun with this idea. Best idea qualifies you to do it. So do all the runners up. Stay legal. Have fun.

Make a Betsy Meme
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Make a Betsy Meme
3 years ago

Is it possible for Betsy Watson of Kneeland and her lawyer Mark Thurmond to cancel this initiative?

Also, how many of those that signed the petition now feel misled or duped. It would be interesting to hear their perspective. I know they’re out there.

ED Denson
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ED Denson
3 years ago

Yes, I believe up to 88 days before the election they can cancel it. A rumor is that the initiative is actually a lever to get the Board to adopt ideas in it as a way to keep it off the ballot. (Adopt enough good ideas to squelch the bad ones). This is not an endorsement of this plan and I don’t know if there are any good ideas in the initiative but this rumor seems likely to me (as if I knew anything.)

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3 years ago

Buy 2024 at the rate things are going the economic devastation of the local cannabis farmers will blow a hole through all of Humboldt County. Drive through Garberville, 2 restaurants closed just this past weekend. Hopefully when this arrives on the ballot the voters will want to save the few of us still trying to keep the cannabis community alive despite all the adversity, hopefully there will still be a few of us left.

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3 years ago

The permit pansies said nothing while their neighbors got abated. Indeed John Ford said he would target the neighbors of each new permit but…they went for the money anyway. I have almost zero sympathy for them. We are overwhelming them daily with our black market and by November 2024 this won’t really be an issue anymore because most permit pansies will not make it that far. What’s that you say? Oh right- All permitted farms are selling on the black market and breaking whatever rules they can, the rules they originally and gloatfully said they would follow because they are “good players” “stepping into the light”.Ha ha! Whenever I see the word “legacy” attached to a permitted farm I think of the dozen true legacy growers- those who grew through the early CAMP years- who were abated and heavily shut down. Like I said I don’t have much sympathy. I have been here paying attention for over 40 years. I hope you all enjoyed your little 2-3 year windfall profits from that “legalization” scam and your permit-in-progress protection while prices were still high. Because now you are done- stick a fork in it and quit whining….https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/13/california-black-market-weed-new-york-00066470

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3 years ago
Reply to  Farce

Isn’t abatement and licensing separate processes? Do license fees goto abatements? Or is the only connection cannabis and Mr Ford?

Yes I’ve heard your story about Ford’s concentric rings, but to my knowledge that’s not how it works. It’s either neighborhood complaints or a satellite image based algorithm looking for GHs and outdoor plants. I don’t think Ford or his staff are sitting in their offices drawing circles with a compass. If I’m wrong I’d love to see the evidence.

Sure I’ve heard a few license holders ask for greater enforcement, but that’s the minority. I’m not sure who thinks the racketeering abatement is appropriate, but if they do exist I bet they hate cannabis.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

“It’s either neighborhood complaints or a satellite image based algorithm looking for GHs and outdoor plants. I don’t think Ford or his staff are sitting in their offices drawing circles with a compass. If I’m wrong I’d love to see the evidence. “

I cannot provide evidence beyond what I was personally told during a meeting while at the planning dept. negotiating several abatements while working for attorney Eugene Denson.

I believe it was Warren black and/or bob Russell who said they have someone in their office who looks at the satellite imagery full time. This was back in 2018 so I’m not sure if that’s changed since, but it certainly seemed like there was a staff member dedicated to seeking out greenhouses from the satellite imagery.

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Defund code enforcement
3 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

Wish I had the exact quote and when it was said , but it was John Ford and it was “concentric circles” from permitted farms for abatements

Kym Kemp
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3 years ago

I checked and couldn’t find anything like that. Nor do I remember anything like that.

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Hayforker
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

The conversations we have on your site are invaluable. Thank you

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ED Denson
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I remember something close to that. As a policy apparently it did not prove practical. Maybe Ford said this at the Mateel event, or the Redwood Playhouse event?

Kym Kemp
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3 years ago
Reply to  ED Denson

I can’t find the term “concentric circles” and John Ford coupled anywhere meaningfully on Google search.

willow creeker
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3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I was definitely informed this was an enforcement strategy, by Bob Russell. First hand.

Farce
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3 years ago
Reply to  ED Denson

Thank you for remembering, Ed. John Ford said it at the Mateel meeting- that meeting where he and Estelle promised us that soon a new permit process that would include us- the 2.0- that would not show up until over a year later. And still not include us! He was again saying it as a way to show those who got permits that he would really stand up for their profits ha ha…I don’t have to be nice like you and Kym and so I can say such things like-.John Ford and Estelle Fennel were lying through their teeth at us all; playing us all out until it would be too late to do anything. They are liars.
I’m not sure where I can find a transcript nor do I care. LOCO? KMUD? I heard it and so did a few of my friends. Perhaps as you say it proved impractical but at that time anybody getting a permit was doing so while not caring that it would put their neighbors under abatements. There was zero organization to oppose the abatement program- people got scared and surrendered (maybe WE can get a permit too), throwing their neighbors under the bus. And that was a breaking point for the so-called “community” as it was…and never will be again. Many never had a chance because they had not amassed the large piles of money necessary to pay the county. We had just been through the “historic 5 year drought” and most good people did not blow up mega-scenes because they did not want to take extra water from the critters. The greedy ones blew up mega, made the money, got the permits, didn’t care if their neighbors got abated and now want to pose as wonderful people who are victims.. I’m not buying their stories. Because I was there and I saw what they did… No, not all permit people suck but many do. And yes…I feel a need to keep pointing this out if only for the historical record in these RHB archives.

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3 years ago
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Hayforker
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3 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

Hey thanks for posting this link. I listened to all seven episodes and didn’t hear the concentric circles comment from Ford or anyone else. I also didn’t hear anything about justifying abatements to support white market prices (prices support for permitted farms). Maybe I missed it, but I don’t think so.

It was a very interesting discussion and Ford’s position on the continued validity of 215/420. I could easily hear his is reluctance to say they are still in effect, which makes sense since it would undermine the enforcement process in many cases.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Farce

Ah, so your blaming people willing to seek permits for complicity in the abatements makes a bit more sense. How is it that you might be part of 2.0 and not 1.0? And why were you not part of 2.0 when it came out?

“There was zero organization to oppose the abatement program- people got scared and surrendered (maybe WE can get a permit too), throwing their neighbors under the bus.” Interesting because your comment suggests you also did nothing to prevent this claimed justification to protect profits at the expense of the neighbors. Maybe you were also scared to speak up?

I can tell you I was certainly concerned about things like this in trinity. I have friends who were still raided and abated even when they were in the permit program. Several of these guys were high profile political in trinity just like me. We never missed a BOS or a PC meeting. We spoke at every public comment even when not concerning cannabis. All in hopes of crafting the best ordinances and possible future. Was the future to say no if we didn’t get everything we wanted? No, it’s politics and a game of compromise.

Too bad you choose to not speak up and fight for your rights and those of your neighbors. Or atleast it sounds like you didn’t and now are bitter it failed to work out.

Ok so let’s say Ford and others used the idea of protecting profits to justify abatements. However that just sounds like rhetoric. You can hate the game, but don’t hate the players.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

??I found this…?

Seems to sound similar…?

https://kymkemp.com/2018/07/16/code-enforcement-targets-cannabis-with-minimum-10k-a-day-fines/

“Ford did say, however, that Code Enforcement does focus on neighborhoods “in concentric circles” around properties that have been identified as being in violation of the County Codes for cannabis cultivation. However, according to Ford, Code Enforcement does “not use a magnifying glass to find a few plants.” “

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3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Great find! This is the quote. Very interesting. Although I still think this rhetoric and the planning department has no business in creating or altering the situations to financially benefit a business or industry. Maybe that’s just my opinion and not fact, but usually planning doesn’t factor the financial viability of a project. That’s for the applicant to determine.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

??I googled …

redheaded blackbelt satellite photos with greenhouses circled

?

https://kymkemp.com/2018/07/16/code-enforcement-targets-cannabis-with-minimum-10k-a-day-fines/

“Ford says unpermitted cultivation now carries a minimum penalty of $10,000 a day after 10 days. Ford says these large fines will drive unpermitted growers out of business. When asked if it might simply drive cultivation back underground, Ford said, “People are going to do what they are going to do, but the heart of this is to bring cannabis into the light.” He continued saying, it’s an “effort to allow legal cultivators freedom from competition with illegal growers ….to protect them ….provide them with a level playing field.” He explained, “It costs money to become legal, and the black market undercuts them.” ”

“Ford did say, however, that Code Enforcement does focus on neighborhoods “in concentric circles” around properties that have been identified as being in violation of the County Codes for cannabis cultivation.”

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Kym Kemp
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3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Yes, and I should have found that. (Less than five hours sleep apparently blunted my brain) But that’s not around permitted farms, that’s around illegal operations.

Guest
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3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I saw that, but it seemed pretty close.

And it seemed like it might have come from a previous statement from Ford…

You definitely did a lot of work on this article.

( I started reading it about 5:30 this morning…)

Thanks for all you do…

It is appreciated.

And it’s pretty amazing.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

“In concentric circles”, is the only part of Ford’s statement that is in quotation marks…

I’d like to see the full Ford quote.

The rest of the statement about the concentric circles belongs to the author of the article, not Ford.

I was hoping that the link I provided would just be a step towards finding Ford’s full quote about the concentric circles.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
3 years ago

Even if Ford did say this, does this mean permit holders are responsible for abatements and code enforcement? I only see the correlation of cannabis and Ford/code enforcement.

I still want to give Farce the benefit of the doubt that there is actually a causation to support his position that permit holders are responsible (atleast in part) for enforcement and abatements. The argument appears very weak and reeks of a blame game, but I’m open to being wrong.

Nichole Norris
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3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Agreed hayforker. No permitted farmer is responsible for the abatement program obviously. To be clear I just gave those examples to voice all sides of that debate. I think folks have felt let down for the past few years by , once allies, but we need to Unite above all else.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
3 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

Yes, i completely understand. Your comments and journalism are impressive. And without a doubt, everyone needs to unite to see this initiative fail in 2024. If growers could ever find a common cause I would hope this is it.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

??Hmmm…?‍♂️

https://kymkemp.com/2022/04/10/legal-farmer-proposes-three-prong-approach-to-alleviating-cannabis-glut/

“The solution to the problem is simple, at least in theory. 1) Law enforcement needs to get serious about eradicating illegal grows. 2) California and other states need to cap the amount”

And from the other link above…

“Ford says unpermitted cultivation now carries a minimum penalty of $10,000 a day after 10 days. Ford says these large fines will drive unpermitted growers out of business. When asked if it might simply drive cultivation back underground, Ford said, “People are going to do what they are going to do, but the heart of this is to bring cannabis into the light.” He continued saying, it’s an “effort to allow legal cultivators freedom from competition with illegal growers ….to protect them ….provide them with a level playing field.” He explained, “It costs money to become legal, and the black market undercuts them.” “

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3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

From where I sit the correlation between the abatements and the granting of permits was and is obvious. And logical.
The county had a two pronged approach: coax growers to the “light” and work to become legal; abate those who wouldn’t comply.
Not getting abated was the “reward “for going legit. Like another farmer said here, those were the options.

But it quickly became apparent that the county was hell bent on complete overkill. That’s what the lawsuit is about. It is horrific what they’ve done …
Getting an abatement notice is like the black mark of death.
And did you know the abatements are still being issued? Five were in the times standard two weeks ago. Same deal: huuuge fines for weed related violations! Again this is what this lawsuit is trying to stop.

Btw I am not farce

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3 years ago
Reply to  Defund

Yes there is a correlation, but NOT causation which is what farce always says. Trying to blame the permit holders for the abatement and code enforcement. Anyways, it’s a stupid point and probably only said in his bitterness.

I hope these abatements stop soon. Patently illegal to begin with. I’m sorry for anyone going through it. And I hope Humboldt’s good citizens can vote down this initiative.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

I think that I showed causation, but maybe not…

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smh
3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Abatements are funded by taxes paid by legal growers.

Hayforker
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3 years ago
Reply to  smh

Taxes are paid by everyone, not just legal growers. If the legal growers are solely funding enforcement I would like to know. Can you substantiate this position?

Im honestly asking because if so this does change my position. However as I understand things, permit fees are NOT used for enforcement on non permitted grows. What is really going on is people are looking for a scapegoat and willing to point fingers at the permit holders.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

From the above RHBB code enforcement link…

“In a phone interview late on Friday the 13th of July, Humboldt County Planning and Building Department Director John Ford explained that the Humboldt County Board of Supervisors has given him direction to “focus [Code Enforcement] on unpermitted cannabis cultivation.”

Ford described the purpose in two parts: protecting the environment and providing a fair business environment for those cultivators who have gone through the process of becoming permitted.”

“Ford says unpermitted cultivation now carries a minimum penalty of $10,000 a day after 10 days. Ford says these large fines will drive unpermitted growers out of business. When asked if it might simply drive cultivation back underground, Ford said, “People are going to do what they are going to do, but the heart of this is to bring cannabis into the light.” He continued saying, it’s an “effort to allow legal cultivators freedom from competition with illegal growers ….to protect them ….provide them with a level playing field.” He explained, “It costs money to become legal, and the black market undercuts them.” “

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Hayforker
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3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Thanks for looking this up. Very interesting. Yes, Ford makes the case that he’s protecting legal grows, but that is his BS reasoning. It still doesn’t tie permit holders directly to code enforcement. It’s a verbal justification that’s not true. I heard this so many times from trinity supe groves. I definitely told him he’s wrong but it’s a common misnomer.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

You’re welcome.

And thank you.

But he states that he was under the direction of the supervisors to do so.

Were the supervisors getting pressured by the permit holders to do something about the non permit holders because they felt that the illegal growers had an unfair advantage over them?

I seem to recall something along those lines…

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B Honest
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3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Legal growers are not undercut by black market / traditional growers.

We sell to two different entities.

Legal sells product through metrc and it can only be transferred to other legal businesses.

Buyers at legal stores are only their because they don’t have a connection for anything else.

Personally I am only competing with vertically integrated shwag companies that have more capital than myself to wait out the storm.

Don’t be a player hater because you didn’t go legal

You are a wrong to think going legal was a bad idea

In the long run we will be playing at the table when the game is long over for the traditional market. It may be another decade but legalization will hit $60 billion one day.

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3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

“Legal growers are not undercut by black market / traditional growers.”

That’s not exactly what I said, and if you can’t figure out that the end user either buys legal market or he buys traditional market, so if traditional market is eliminated then legal market share increases, I can’t help you.

If the traditional market is not eliminated, then the end user can just buy from the traditional market, same as ever before.

What is so hard to understand about that?

You say…

“Legal growers are not undercut by black market / traditional growers.”
And then you say…

“Buyers at legal stores are only their because they don’t have a connection for anything else.”

You contradict yourself.

That’s what I’m talking about.

You gotta factor in the end point.

Who their source is…

It’s not all about you and who your buyer is…

Everything else you said, starting with “personally”, isn’t even remotely connected with what I said.

“Player hater”???

Where did that even come from???

SMH.

The discussion was about a connection or not between permit holders and abatements.

Ford seemed to make that connection, like he was doing the permit holders a big favor by abating non permit holders.

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3 years ago
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I have tons of friends who didn’t go legal. I support their decision.

I went legal for the long run.

The market is transition from traditional to legal.

Do I think legal is fair. Hell no.
They created a monopoly on retail outlets. Can I sell my product legally. I tried. Sisu stole over 200 lbs without paying.

I meet with multiple buyers and their best price was $250 lb.
Because of all the overproduction going on down in Santa Barbara.

They are dumping a 1,000 lbs at a time for $200. They can because they are on the sock exchange.

I can’t get a local bank account.

The general public has barely entered the retail stores. I think 25% of all weed in Cali is purchased in legal retail. The other 75 % is being bought on the traditional market.

Retail monopolies = they only sell in house brands to make ends meet.

What I said was us legal Humboldt farmers could careless about our friends and neighbors who didn’t go legal.

I sleep just fine knowing I am 100% compliant with all state laws.

Again you don’t compete with me anymore because my competition is getting into retail stores and not homies.

You continue to sell to the homies. It’s all good.

There is plenty to go around but if we want a legal robust economy here in Humboldt we need to change the retail landscape.

Santa Monica California home to 900,000 people and over 6 million tourist per year. Yet they allowed two retail stores.

That is what I am competing with not your 5,000 sq ft that can grow 200 lbs

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3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

You make a lot of incorrect assumptions about me.

I grew one seeded female this year, for genetics.

+1 male and one that I culled.

That’s it.

Female is about 2′ tall.

And even less for the previous 5 years.

(Zero)

So don’t bitch to me about the glut and all your worries…

That’s your problem, not mine.

Thanks for reminding me of the other reason that I would never have fit in to the permit scheme…

No way I would ever front my shit out like they got it set up, how you did.

That was another permit deal breaker for me…

(I learned a long time ago that it’s cash on the barrel head, or it’s no deal.)

And then they will tell you the price later…???

Fuck that.

You’re not really surprised that you got ripped, are you?

You shouldn’t be.

That’s a given.

And I’ve dealt with the worthless County planning department for decades.

I would never go through a permit process of any kind with them ever again.

They made the very easiest permit application a hostile, long drawn out, complete nightmare.

Anyone still growing commercially is part of the problem, legal or not.

The small legal growers got suckered by the county.

They should have seen it coming.

They were greedy, too, in their own way.

It backfired.

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B Honest
3 years ago
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I didn’t assume anything about you. In fact I don’t know you so how can I assume anything.
Maybe you smoked and didn’t read my message correct.

That is an assumption.

Yeah I didn’t want to work with sisu. I asked them to produce my stuff at a cost. I wanted my material for our product line.

I wasn’t doing a 70/30 rip off split
The were suppose to manufacturer a product and I was going to pay for their services

I don’t give product away on terms for any corporation.

I would rather compost it than give it.

I gave my entire crop one year to weed for warriors a non profit for veterans.

You think we all are in this for greed and not the true love for a plant.

Second learn to read.
I never blamed anyone for overproduction.

In fact in my opinion there is no overproduction. We only lack retail outlets.

Until California has over 6,000 retail stores product will be stuck and lost forever. The only product moving is that of a vertical enterprise.

To be successful in today’s market you need several things.
1) raw material
2) manufacturing license to create products
3)self distribution to control your own product
4)retail store open to the public

If you don’t have all 4 then you are not really in the game.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

How many supervisors were permit holders at the time?

The supervisors instructed Ford To initiate the abatement process.

At who’s behest did the supervisors make this request?

Permit holders?

B Honest
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B Honest
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Not at the request from permit holders

The county is greedy as fu@#.

They want you to pay into their raping of us all.

$52 million in measure S taxes over six years

Plus another $12 million in cost recovery fees.

You aren’t paying them so you get abated.

How is that our fault you don’t want to transition?

You sales of weed again doesn’t not compete with me.

Sorry but don’t blame us for you lack of wanting to change with the times.

Now you make all traditional growers look like whining bitches.
Blaming those fellow warriors who decided to go legal for your problems

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3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

Just the square foot tax alone made the permit process untenable…

That by itself convinced me that the permit process was a loser.

I wasn’t that stupid.

B Honest
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3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

I agree 100%
I never supported an excise tax on top of everything else.

My homestead pays $5k in property taxes on a $400,000 dollar property.

It also paid $10k in measure S taxes.

So basically the county believes I am running a $1.5 million dollar a year enterprise to tax me at that rate.

Unfortunately a 10,000 grow is luck to sell $100,000 in product these days.

willow creeker
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3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

I don’t blame my neighbors for my many abatement fines. We all do what we have to do to feed our families. It’s a crazy ride, these last 5-10 years of the growing culture. There’s a lot of blood on the floor, and a lot of fingers pointing.

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3 years ago

The only thing I have heard like that was during an appeal hearing, or four in one day, where code Enforcement mentioned the abatement program looked at “high cannabis concentration areas,” aka where there were a lot of permits.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

That’s an interesting comment. I would think the high concentration areas would be both permitted and unpermitted. But i don’t attend Humboldt hearings regularly like in trinity so I’m out of the loop. Thanks for the insight.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Yes both but they cited permits.

No one goes to appeal hearings here sadly. Can’t blame them though, no one knows when they are except the accused and their representatives. There were only two seats last time I went, and I put my laptop in the other one.

Legallettuce
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3 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

I got this one, lol

//CannaVision was embraced as a tool against illegal cultivation.

Agency records and interviews show the computer program’s data runs are now shared with agencies willing to sign confidentiality agreements, including the Department of Fish and Wildlife, which raids illegal farms. Most recently, it was used to identify cannabis cultivation on a Humboldt County watershed where low water conditions imperil native salmon. Weeks later, state cannabis officers began a series of surprise farm inspections in the area.//

Here you can read the full article if you subscribe to LA Times.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-09-08/how-we-mapped-illegal-cannabis-farms-in-california%3f_amp=true

Meanwhile I will be voting yes…Fuck Legal!

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3 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

I read the article. That’s not good, but as I recall this so not the program used by Humboldt to generate the abatement letters. Are you saying CannaVision was used in the abatement program?

Legallettuce
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3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Yes and no, the raids that occurred in August were specifically targeted using the software to locate properties. Is any department in Humboldt County using the data. I would say no only because of no direct proof. Indirectly, I say yes the slimey asses are most definately. Only proof I can offer is they are a bunch of lazy asses and when lazy asses are handed a gift-horse they use it.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Your just a shame after all

You hate on legal growers because they didn’t stay dark like yourself.

A legal farm today struggles because of the playing field.

We are hand stuck with losing control of our product the second a transport company picks up our product.

Farmers have little control unless they are vertical.

Cannabis is a $30 billion a year industry and it’s only just begun.

It will reach $60 billion a year within a decade.

Humboldt should be home to at least $1 billion in revenue by then.

Unfortunately we are way way behind. Humboldt County on the other hand has taken in $52 million in measure S taxes and about $12 million in cost recovery fees. Now add the abatements and they raped all of us for over $100 million.

If we as a community spent $100 million on manufacturing and retail outlets down south. Then we would be on the path to $1 billion for Humboldt farms

Instead a farm is lucky to get $20k for 100 pack

Yeah I would rather donate mine than make a corporate pig rich down south.

They system needs fixing for sure but don’t hate us that went legal.

Legallettuce
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3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

I don’t hate. I actually help as many pre ’96 legal farms as I can including 215 grows. As an example I grow for an elder couple on a legal 10k in Garberville. All their product we produce must be sold legally in this state. I do not cross My ethical weed grow’in ways. If I grow weed it’s not for sale in California. If I grow cannabis it’s not for sale outside California. My Fuck Legal statements are more about the system. Theirs no hate but we are weed growers and complying legally was never in our interests. Drop the legal and get your 215 or drop legal and come back to an industry that will welcome you with open arms.

Otherwise I am your competitor in this weed/cannabis industry to which I have 40+ years of industry Operation experience and one hella grower!

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3 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

So we are the same but you don’t like it if we go legal.

I have a hemp museum that has been curated over 40+ years.

I was the first to trademark a cannabis name in 1993

We are the same.

I hate all government on both sides. Yep Republitards and libtards are identical people

If you are a true hempster and lover of the plant them you already know corporate greed kill the plant in 1937.

Now it is time to transition and be legal.

Your prop 215 does not grant you to cross state lines.

That is why I went legal. One day we will cross state lines and possibly be able to export our crop.

Nothing wrong with being an old timer. My friends who bought places on spy rock back in the 70’s have zero interest in this game.

Unfortunately they won’t be able to participate in a national business once times change again

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3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

We are the same and I don’t wish legal upon you either. I just assist 215s grow I don’t move their product. I move my weed (yes and support families long standing in our hills of Humboldt and Trinity) and bust my ass to move the elder couples legal cannibis into the California legal market (which I have failed, dank ass weed though). I don’t make the rules, I just play the game and try to hold an ethical standard that I have lived by all my life. Be respectful to a point, care for others as you would yourself, be good to oneself, share, love, laugh, honor those who no longer walk amongst us and grow some of the dankest weed in the land.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

Don’t forget about the folks like Warren Black and/ or Bob Russell singling out folks that they have a personal dislike for, and flexing their might vindictively and extrajudicially against them in abuses of power, under the color of authority, and then looking up their names and associated properties.

And then initiating abatements, and raids, to settle scores…

(Power tripping)

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3 years ago
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“Don’t throw stones at your neighbors, if your own windows are glass.”
– Poor Richard’s Almanack, 1736
“Pardoning the Bad, is injuring the Good.”
– Poor Richard’s Almanack, 1748
“I conceive that the great part of the miseries of mankind are brought upon them by false estimates they have made of the value of things.”
—Benjamin Franklin
Benjamin Franklin — ‘He that lieth down with Dogs, shall rise up with Fleas.’
“If Men were angels, no government would be necessary.” -James Madison

humboldturtle
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3 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Those who fail to plan, plan to fail…also B. Franklin.

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Hayforker
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3 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

Ok so maybe someone on the planning staff is reviewing the flagged parcels prior to sending the abatement letters. But that’s not the point of my question.

I was asking farce just how abatements are the fault of license holders. Which he’s said before and basically said again: “The permit pansies said nothing while their neighbors got abated. Indeed John Ford said he would target the neighbors of each new permit…”

Nichole, do you agree permit/license holders have some responsibility for the abatement program? Honestly asking as I don’t live in Humboldt and follow things as close as I do in Trinity.

PS- another great article. Thanks

Nichole Norris
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3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Oh forgive me hayforker, If I did not understand the context accurately. I was merely responding to that one aspect of your comment. It seemed odd to me to hear that in 2018, I’ll never forget it. I appreciate your comments, thank you.

What I’ve noticed is a lack of compassion in some cases from both sides, permitted and not. Yes more could have been done by some permitted folks who claimed ~”they were the good guys because they got through the process and those who were abated were the bad guys because they didn’t.”But I think that narrative is coming from a small sector . Yes permitted folks could have stood up for their abated neighbors more too, but it was all happening behind closed doors mostly, and I also understand permit applicants were bogged down by the process themselves. There’s only so much you can do in a day. All my permitted farm friends are barley holding on, to not just their investments but oftentimes their land. I do not fault them whatsoever. Most of them report feeling trapped into coming into compliance.

Point is, I really hope we can turn this around for our whole county and I know that will take everyone coming together. Decisiveness won’t serve those aims I don’t think.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
3 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

It all starts with awareness and your articles are the top of the spear. I still just don’t understand why it took so long to challenge the abatements. They were/are obviously not legal. Was it just fear and extortion that kept people from challenging it?

Nichole Norris
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3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

That means a lot hayforker, thanks friend. It’s a long story, yes fear of retaliation, lack of legal funds and cohesion were big factors. Also a lack of media attention or willingness to cover it by most outlets except Kym (and originally the greenfuse). For a long time people thought I was a conspiracy theorist because the abatement program was slated to wipe out the “bad guys,” but in reality I was just reporting on what I saw behind closed doors in the fields, law office, and planning dept. Which conflicted with this county narrative. If it weren’t for Kym and her RHBB new site The institute for justice never would have know what was happening here they said. It’s not every day a community like ours can come up with the legal fees for that kind of law firm you know? I hope you will join us Wednesday at the mateel community center 6pm. I know it’s a drive but it’d be worth it. Thanks again.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

It was going to take a attorney firm with basically carte blanche, like the County attorneys on retainer have, with our money.

No local attorney firm apparently was both willing and able to do this on a contingency basis, and no victim of the abatements was willing and/ or able to find and/or afford an attorney firm willing to competently accept the challenge.

I know of at least one that was paid to do so, and took money, but him and his posh firm were just amateur, overpriced lightweights, I guess.

Or maybe he just planned on making tons of money recommending that people who were abated consult an attorney, and he didn’t really plan on doing anything decisive, at all, ever.

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Hayforker
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3 years ago
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Hey thanks for the lowdown. I appreciate it. Well I hope things are stopped. It’s way past due.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

It’s just my opinion, it’s the way I see it.

But , I too, have been wondering why it has taken so long for the abatement program to face trial.

smh
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smh
3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

$$$

Hayforker
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Hayforker
3 years ago
Reply to  smh

Yep $$$ from abatements and the ridiculously unsustainable cultivation tax. They got their money from all the growers the could. Now, they have to live on a fraction of it.

They literally killed the golden goose.

willow creeker
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3 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

Yes Bob Russell definitely told me the concentric circles, around legal farms, was an enforcement strategy. I happened to be in those circles. That was in 2017.

Tim
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Tim
3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Farce hates on any grow bigger then his, possibly any grow that is not his

Hayforker
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Hayforker
3 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Probably the latter.

Hebilla Cinturón de Rodeo
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Hebilla Cinturón de Rodeo
3 years ago
Reply to  Farce

I tried jumping through the permit hoops to avoid being abated. I personally never wished abatements on anybody. My impressions were, I could stop growing, get abated, or get permitted, and continue. There was no clear indication of how the new law would shake out, and for sure, the permitting process is very unpredictable. For every permitee in the process I’ve talked to, each one has different unique bureaucratic hurdles to overcome. I think things have gone the way you predicted. Most of us Permit Pansy’s are with you not against you! Much of the process is a big double cross that is harder on honest players than well heeled investors with a fleet of lawyers.

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3 years ago

I have friends who ended up in similar situations. They proceeded to grow, got the abatement letters and got bent over and forced into the permit process. I do not begrudge anybody who went through that. Sorry if my comments are sometimes volatile and seem exceedingly judgemental. But I also knew a bunch of guys who did jump gleefully into the permit process, did not give a shit about abatements that would be levelled at their neighbors and blew up their mega permit-in-progress-protected scenes. They were mostly greenrushers who never did care about this area, the people here or anything but $$$. To see them re-branded as “caring” or “legacy” or anything positive is disgusting and yeah I will have that chip on my shoulder forever. Best of luck to everybody else!

Nichole Norris
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3 years ago
Reply to  Farce

It really feels like a loose loose farce, I agree. I have friends who opted not to transition and stopped cultivating their small medical garden, but they still got an abatement that cost them hundreds of thousands, despite having no cannabis. Then they felt Coaxed into the permit process because of the abatement work they did and are about to loose their land if things don’t turn around.

Ps. I know those guys too but they are rare. I think most permitted folks were just bogged down by the permit process, and much of the abatement injustices were happening behind closed doors.

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
3 years ago

Better to grow it on flat farmland rather than polluting our rural hill country. Now we don’t even benefit from promised tax revenue.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

So you prefer polluting flat farmland?

Better to grow food on flat farmland.

Cannabis displacing food crops on prime tillable agricultural land is a very bad trade.

Food is expensive enough.

And it is now economically unfeasible.

It sounds like using crops besides cannabis on farm lands will now be more lucrative.

Giant Squirrel
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3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Sun grown doesn’t disturb much but ugly hoop houses and artificial lighting shouldn’t be allowed in Humboldt Hills

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3 years ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

I agree that hoop houses can be ugly, but there are some “situations” in the hills that the hoop houses, etc., are relatively out of sight.

And at the altitude where I live, growing a garden of any kind is challenging without a greenhouse for part of the year.

They make a very balmy solar heated place to inhabit in the colder months.

Please don’t begrudge me this…

But I’m with ya, I can’t stand the permitted bullshit eyesores that are a stones throw from the county roads, that’s for sure.

Even relatively out of sight is not going to be possible on flat bottom land, where they will stick out like a sore thumb for miles.

Tim
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Tim
3 years ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

You should move to the city and stop impacting the rural environment

Hayforker
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Hayforker
3 years ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

The tax revenue (cultivation sq ft tax) was excessive, unfairly administered, and ultimately not sustainable. Your promised revenue was bureaucratic BS and nothing more than a way to extract money from the license seekers. I see the same thing with the abatement fines, just a different set of people. This way the county could go after all the cannabis farmers. I’m surprised you would be disappointed about being misled.

Guess
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Guess
3 years ago

Wow that’s messed up I’m not pro weed but I’m definitely anti bullshit! You can’t single out and punish one agricultural industry and putting a cap on permits just here will just hurt the economy HERE, only a state wide cap would possibly help but idk. The water thing is a joke there’s 75% less grows in the last few years right? Well we have even less water the last two years than the two before so riddle me that.

James
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James
3 years ago

I spoke to the main lady heading this thing and she seems like a xenophobic racist, talking about “Bulgarians stealing all the water”
My farm is next to an alfalfa field.. the use millions of acre-feet of water a week.. more than all the cannabis cultivators in Humboldt use in a year..
Its a blatant lie and fear mongering saying cannabis farmers are “stealing all the water”

Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago
Reply to  James

If you’re really next an alfalfa farm, are you even in Humboldt Co? At least Humboldt Co CA…

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
3 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

I grew weed for several years along the eel River where our neighbor was a heavily irrigated hay field that periodically grew alfalfa.

Ignorance is not bliss
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Ignorance is not bliss
3 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

There are many alfalfa fields in HumCo who pump directly out of our Rivers all…year….long. (No forbearance). I hear Betsy has a sizeable veggie garden, and wonder if she waters it with stored water? Does she employ anyone to help around her homestead? Does she sit on a Cat. 4 road? Maybe we should inspect her homestead once a year for “compliance” with the building code, zoning code, fish and wildlife code, water resource control code, edd code, hazmat code, dpr code, and make sure she is following all other applicable federal, state and local laws. And if there are any pending complaints against her we should cut off her retirement funds until those complaints are remedied. Seems fair!

Gene. Godinho
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3 years ago

Show me the alfalfa located in the lower Eel River.

Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago

How dare she grow her own food! How dare she… As far as “alfalfa fields”, point one out. Just one. Alfalfa does not like hilly, acid soil. And rainy places make for acidic soil. Guess what Humboldt Co is full of?

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3 years ago
Reply to  James

That’s the impression I got as well.

They don’t give a shit about anyone but themselves and their view-shed.

Charlie
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Charlie
3 years ago
Reply to  James

Your statement is a blatant lie. millions of acre-feet of water a week for alfalfa in humboldt? STFU.

Entering a world of pain
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Entering a world of pain
3 years ago
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Mr. Bear
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3 years ago
Reply to  James

They use the capacity equivalent of Trinity lake every week?

That seems highly unlikely. LOL

Gene. Godinho
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3 years ago
Reply to  James

I use to grow 110 acres of alfalfa on 50 acre-feet of water per year! You don’t know what you are talking about. Also alfalfa has a 30 foot tap root and will not survive in the lower Eel River Valley where the water table get to 2:feet or less in the winter!

Jay Beigh
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3 years ago
Reply to  James

//”My farm is next to an alfalfa field.. the use millions of acre-feet of water a week.”//

As someone who farms alfalfa alongside cannabis, I can say without hesitation that you’re full of shit.

Let’s do the math:
The most you can water alfalfa in peak summer without drowning it is ~2″ per week and that’s in desert soil which drains well. Other soils and seasons the watering it more like 0.5″ to 1.5″ per week. We’ll use the 2″ per week just for ease. The 2″ number means that you can water 6 acres for a week with one acre ft of water.

https://extension.unr.edu/publication.aspx?PubID=2575

Since you used the plural “millions” of acre feet, we’ll use the absolute minimum of that claim — 2,000,000 acre feet.

This means that to use this much water there would have to be 12,000,000 acres MINIMUM (realistically more like 20 million given the NorCal location and the temp, humidity and soil conditions of that region).

That’s 18,750 square miles. Wanna guess the entire land mass of Humboldt County? 3,568 square miles.

That’s quite an alfalfa field you live next to in Humboldt County — more then FIVE TIMES the size of the ENTIRE county.

Now why don’t you just STFU until you learn how to say things that are true rather than absolute nonsense.

Ally
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Ally
3 years ago

If the goal was to destroy the cannabis industry and make it financially unfeasible for even mom and pop farms, then this is a great initiative. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water

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thetallone
3 years ago
Reply to  Ally

Yes, makes you wonder who is really behind it (McWeed, Inc?).

Defund code enforcement
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Defund code enforcement
3 years ago

It’s a YES for me. Anything to “bog down” the planning department. I hope all rural and semi rural property owners are connecting dots here: with the measure S tax suspended, no new cultivation permit applicants to milk, a vastly overfunded code enforcement authority, the expiration of the “safe homes” amnesty at the end of 2022… how long before the next round of fleecing for un permitted dwellings and outbuildings? Has everyone forgotten the satellite surveillance that the county pays hundreds of thousands $ for??! And why is this man john ford, an unelected official, by far the most powerful decision maker in the county?

Hayforker
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3 years ago

I’ll agree with you the need to defund code enforcement, but why does this initiative need to pass? If it does then presumably there will be fewer permits to maintenance? I would say that if you support the farmers here, I would hope you’ll have support when code comes for unpermitted buildings. I would suspect that if the initiative passes you’ll still see code come for the buildings and there will be no one left to back you. Not sure if it would work like this in Humboldt but that’s how we do it in trinity.

humboldturtle
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3 years ago

This is a propaganda piece. Pretty pictures and circled wagons, as clear a view of county politics as you could want. Is anyone anywhere else doing anything about the impact of industrial incursion onto the agrarian landscape? Or is it all defense, all the time?

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Hmmm
3 years ago
Reply to  humboldturtle

When did the cultivation of plants become an industrial act rather than an agricultural act? If the plants being grown were anything but cannabis would this also be an issue for you? Or is it just cannabis you have an issue with?

Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago
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Since industrial farming became common. In the mid 1800s. The term “agriculture” and “industry” are not mutually exclusive. In fact, no country in the world can feed its people at this time without industrial farming. It is questionable whether farming can even do it without inorganic fertilizer despite the increased knowledge and claims of organic farming. They tend to cherry pick their data.

In Leo Horrigan’s chapter in the May 2002 issue of Environmental Health Perspectives he stated, “Industrial agriculture depends on expensive inputs from off the farm (e.g., pesticides and fertilizer), many of which generate wastes that harm the environment” which reveals the high cost, both financially and environmentally, of using pesticides and fertilizer at an industrial level. Industrial agriculture also “uses large quantities of non-renewable fossil fuels; and it tends toward concentration of production, driving out small producers and undermining rural communities” ” Hmm… Sounds like the road pot is going here.

https://courses.washington.edu/ps385/industrial-farming/

Ignorance is not bliss
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Ignorance is not bliss
3 years ago
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The local Cannabis Industry is far from “Industialized”. In fact it is the last vestige of the Small Family Farms of days old. Before “legalization” of Cannabis and the “industrialization” of big ag, neighbors took care of each other. Farmers took care of their employees. Community halls, schools, and volunteer fire houses were built and run all by donation. And Farmers could make a decent living off of a very small plot of land. It is over regulation, like the one being proposed, that is forcing mom and pop to either grow big AND industrialize or go out of business. 1000 small family run farms provide way more social capital and economic stimulus to our community than one mega industrial farm of 100 acres plus. But I guess if you are retired and don’t need an income or don’t need to go into town to deal with the world of homlessness, unemployment or destitution then none of the above matters. Betsy and Mark are proposing to destroy our local economy and tax base all while living off these same taxes to fund their retirement. Maybe they should donate their government funded pensions to save the world from Illegal Cannabis Growers instead of going after the most environmentally sensitive operators in the state.

Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago

Needing to make a living out of a product that contributes to the “homlessness, unemployment or destitution” you complain about? You know what another product is that can make a living off a small bit of land? Tobacco. You know that tobacco had a similar litany of the health benefits and harmlessness for years as pot smoking does now? Pot is the same- a product people will pay dearly for because it gives an easy fix for stress and a sense of satisfaction without needed to work for it. Okay. So grow it but don’t romanticize it into anything but feeding other people’s problems to make money. Pot is scary for the same reasons that as tobacco. It’s users and growers are way too aggessive about its benefits and way too defensive about its negatives for it to be not addictive in some fashion.

Frankly this proposition is neither as dire as those who object to it say nor as useful as those who support it want. Pot growing has always been a choice for people who don’t want to let a little thing like laws deter them. In fact that added spice to the effort. They will surely ignore this law as well. If most pot growers really had any desire to make it growing an inoffensive industry, they would be concerned about their effect on neighbors and society instead of brushing off every objection with a derision. Besides pot growing was never “the economy” and what part it plays is diminishing as the industry finds its sources other places.

As for pensions, good luck with pot farming creating a pension. Your choice not to work a job with obligations for decades to acquire one. Instead of trying to belittle others, you might try coming up with something that works for everyone instead of complaining bitterly about people having the nerve to object to the wonderful world of pot. I for one would be happier if my pot smoking neighbor from 300 ft down the road did not create a constant miasma of pot stink at my place or so few of neighboring pot growers worried using so much water.

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Ignorance is not bliss
3 years ago
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Cannabis has contributed more to our local economy than lumber, fishing and tourism combined over the last 30 years, and is still a major factor in HumCo GDP. And to dismis the need for alternative medicines or recreational intoxicants vs Big Pharma or Alcohol/tobacco is an ignorant display which dismisses the adverse impacts of these much more dangerous products. The temperest movement didn’t work because an idealist world were sobriety is absolute is not socially tolerable. Demonizing one substance while support another is a gross display of intolerance. Alcohol, Tobacco and synthetic drugs(pharma) have created a society which is dependent on corporate industrial complex. Since natural products can not be patented, corporations have demonized natural alternative to their legally protected products for generations. And Cannabis is a great example of how to power of the people against govt and Corp control has empowered multiple generations to stand up against “the machine” for their personal mental and physical health. This initiative will only accelerate the transfer of power from our mostly cottage industry to corporate control and will elimate the trickle down which is non existent under tightly controlled capitalist markets. Continuing to persecute a community of entrepreneurs who just want to do the right thing while making a life for their families is a grotesque display of an entitled NIMBY sociopath. Shame on you, for not being tolerant to people other than yourself.

Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago

Get it together.

Ignorance is not bliss
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Ignorance is not bliss
3 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Touche! You got me there, so clever you are….

Legallettuce
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3 years ago
Reply to  humboldturtle

//Pretty Pictures//

I think not. Look at the ladybugs on the weed plant full of mites. Ladybugs are not a good sign. Anyways, it’s a great article you should read it first then comment.

P.S. if Ladybug Herbal Santuary would like I know an organic solution to get rid of them mites and give a boost to the plants immune system. Plus their users won’t have to smoke weed full of ladybug poop and they poop alot.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
3 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Lady bugs don’t predate mites to any meaningful degree.

Legallettuce
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3 years ago

That was my point

Hayforker
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Hayforker
3 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Lol, absolutely lady bugs are a bad sign. Unless you just dumped a bag of them bought at the local farm store. Yes they poop a ton and larva are scary looking to the uninitiated. The pupa get stuck in or on the flowers resulting in rejected units by observing buyers or failed labs for legals.

Hebilla Cinturón de Rodeo
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Hebilla Cinturón de Rodeo
3 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

HEEEY, all is one. Circle of life. One day they’ll tell us Powdery Mildew cures cancer. Pay ya $10,000 a gram. Just need a dependable host to culture it…..

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3 years ago
Reply to  humboldturtle

The properties that host cannabis production in the hills currently are mostly zoned for industrial timber production. Cannabis cultivation on these properties has likely delayed one or two industrial timber harvests in the past 50 years

Kym Kemp
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3 years ago
Reply to  humboldturtle

Did you read the whole piece? I know it’s long but it gives serious space to both sides.

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Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Not really. But at least you could get rid of the photo of goats eating pot leaves. Goats have high tolerance for toxic plants but it does not mean they should have them. Should goats eat marijuana? ” Answer: No, goats should not eat marijuana.”
https://allanimalsfaq.com/goat/can-goats-eat-marijuana/#:~:text=Yes%2C%20they%20can.%20However%2C%20it%20is%20important%20to,marijuana.%20What%20happens%20if%20a%20goat%20eats%20marijuana%3F

Hayforker
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Hayforker
3 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Yep, you should see all the dead goats I’ve seen over the years from this. It’s so terrible. Haha, you sure are stretching for something to complain about.

Kym Kemp
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3 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Nooo. I don’t know when that article was written but if the writer, a famous but somewhat out of date animal scientist, is still alive, he is 114 years old. The two studies he cites are from the 70’s–practically the height of the marijuana is an evil drug era. A quick online search didn’t turn up either of the studies as they are approximately 30 years pre the internet being a big thing.
Pretty much cannabis doesn’t affect people or animals unless it is heated–the process is called decarboxylation. And green sun leaves as mostly shown in the photo would only have trace amounts if even that.

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Ignorance is not bliss
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Ignorance is not bliss
3 years ago

Betsy and Mark LIED about the true intentions of this initiative to gather 7000 signatures, which should be enough to sour the taste of the electorate. Hopefully truth over ignorance will rule the day.

Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago

If truth was a requirement for anything, it is certainly not part of the pot growers vocabulary. In fact any hint of truth about pot is sure to pounced on as “old white nimbly-ism.” Whereas there are a whole lot of old, white, wasted pot users.

Zipline
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Zipline
3 years ago

Growing dope in the hills of Humboldt only made sense when it was illegal and you wanted to hide your activities. Growing dope in the hills of Humboldt now makes as much sense as growing cotton or corn and for the same reasons. Less and less water and lack of arable land. Those hoop houses around Honeydew and Petrolia have turned what was a beautiful area into something resembling east L.A. You want to grow dope….move to an industrial park. Sadly many have hitched their wagons to a dying horse.

B Honest
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B Honest
3 years ago
Reply to  Zipline

Dying horse.

Cannabis just began as an industry $30 billion today and $60 billion within a decade

Dying horse. Hahaha you are not aware of anything outside of your circle

Growing in the hills is just fine.
A pond for water storage is all you need.

Nooo
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Nooo
3 years ago

Frankly the only emotional hypocrisy worse than that around pot growing is that of taxes or guns. People want other people to pay taxes and not own guns while they feel abused if they are forced to pay taxes or deprived of their own guns. Pot growers see themselves as noble anti heros, fighting against the Machine- robin hoods one and all. The equivalent of outlaw carrot farmers feeding the people’s needs. People who use pot see themselves as natural herb aficionados, standing for freedom and healthy living. “Legacy farms.” “Medicinal garden.” Pretty pictures of butterflies and sunshine on green plants. HA and HA again. No rows of plastic hoop houses with miles of irrigation pipes on top of scraped off soil shown here. No row upon row of plastic bag pots filled with imported soil. No under the table labor or diesel generators or plastic lined dirt dams to catch every bit of water coming through sketchy waterways.

It is much the same as any other human delusion- done for profit to provide a product to short circuit awareness of the unpleasant realities surrounding being human. To delude us for even a short time that we are not short lived creatures who feel pain and angst over just about everything. Pot, like alcohol or heroin or even gluttony, is doing the same thing- providing a chemical buffer from reality. Nothing noble, honest or even sensible about it. Certainly nothing moral or upright or even intelligent.

And as for this proposition, people will still grow pot every bit illegally as they have always done. They will just not be as rich because just about everywhere is easier growing than here. Pot is not found wealth like gold- the only reason some people made obscene amounts of money growing it in the “good old days” was because the same locals turned a blind eye to the destruction surrounding pot growing as they do now. Older but certainly no wiser. Just about every criminal arrested for drug selling is listed with the same items- drugs, guns and pot. This will continue.

thetallone
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3 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

The bad players you are describing mostly have been the greenrushers, not the OGs. Pot can easily be grown in the hills with near zero environmental impact, if that is the intention. I’ve seen it, I’ve done it. Mountain grown is just superior, ask Juan Valdez.
And lumping weed in with heroin and alcohol is Hearst propaganda from the 1930’s.

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Nooo
3 years ago
Reply to  thetallone

If that was all there was to it, there would be no grows on public land, nor the endless skeletons of pot grows past with rattling plastic laying about pcv pipe hoops, and the shootings along Wilder Ridge Rd. In any thing, it is not the respectful that create problems but tolerating the disrespectful. There always were plenty of disrespectful growers, even if it was more hidden pre legalization. Murder Mountain as a name existed long before legalization. Green rushers after the medical marijuana law made it worse but they did not start it.

And you misstated the point that any chemical manipulation of the body can end up being a problem. You left off gluttony to make it sound like I was equating pot with heroin. Pot has as much delusion surrounding it as any romance novel.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Hitting your head with a hammer or just plain delusional thinking can be a problem, too. Sounds like you’re saying problems can be a problem, which goes without saying.
The mom & pops were not the ones hooping on gov’t land and killing trimmers. You are painting with a very broad brush.

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3 years ago
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Too bad those who you say are not problems seem so intolerant of dealing with the ones causing problems. You seem to be using a pretty large brush yourself in saying that problems are not problems because they are not your problems. If an industry of full of people making problems and the cry from those in the industry is only “not us”, then do not be surprised when there is no “not us” exceptions in regulation. Try finding a compromise that fixes the problem that you can live with.

Xebeche
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Xebeche
3 years ago

Too far in the future to have an opinion but I will take my cue from the people who have been fighting for our rights.

Nooo
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3 years ago
Reply to  Xebeche

The military?

smh
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smh
3 years ago
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The military has not fought to defend us since WWII.

Hayforker
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3 years ago
Reply to  smh

Lol, you forgot about the Iraqi attack on America that precipitated gulf wars one and two. Or did that not actually happen?

Farce
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3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Umm…it was actually Saudis that flew the planes. Then the Bush administration pinned it on Iraq because that was where they wanted to invade anyway. And we began blowing up thousands of regular Iraqi citizens (because…OIL). And the ruling class Saudis were allowed to fly their planes home even though our entire country was on a flight lockdown. And Osama Bin Laden was a member of a Saudi family- not Iraq. Yes- that stuff really did happen, no conspiracy theory that was real. Americans forget everything very quickly…

B Honest
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3 years ago
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So true

Hayforker
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3 years ago
Reply to  Farce

Hey i think we probably have way more in common that our conversations here imply. I was trying to be sarcastic but failed.

Yes, I’ll totally agree with you. 9-11 was at best a Saudi operation and maybe even worse. Probably we’ll never know for sure.

Afghanistan didn’t have any involvement either, unless you want to accept the attacks being organized from there. But invading the classic empire trap is not a proper response. It was a similar situation with Vietnam.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

The military industrial complex behind Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam couldn’t be behind Ukraine, could they?
Meanwhile NATO meeting tomorrow to decide if WW3 is on after reports of missile falling in Poland – planned or errant?

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3 years ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

Could war with Russia avoid ICBM strikes? Wouldn’t we be confronted with an existential threat?

Giant Squirrel
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3 years ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

It’s proven pretty much the entire Intel community lied to Americans in their disinformation about Hunter laptop, their domestic election interference, so can we believe anything they tell us, that they wouldn’t lie to us again for their own ulterior motives?

Hayforker
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3 years ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

They will always lie. Politicians and high level bureaucrats always lie by default. Why would they waste an opportunity to spin things to their advantage, if ever so slight, versus saying what the know to be the facts. Never let a crisis go to waste.

Hayforker
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3 years ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

I honestly won’t put it past them. There is no way for me to tell from here what’s actually happening in Ukraine and I’m sure that both sides have very sophisticated disinformation campaigns. Having watched the BS intel and wars over my life I don’t believe them at all. It’s a pretty sad state but what can I do?

Once I saw the US public didn’t actually care about the NSA domestic surveillance after being told it wasn’t happening I honestly gave up all hope. The general public just doesn’t care. I do care, but I won’t waste time trying to convince others. I wish it was different.

Giant Squirrel
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3 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Sadly true, US Intel community runs the most sophisticated disinformation organization in the world and not at behest of American citizens

Giant Squirrel
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3 years ago
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AP
“There is preliminary information that contests that,” Biden told reporters when asked if the missile had been fired from Russia. “It is unlikely in the lines of the trajectory that it was fired from Russia, but we’ll see.”

It was not immediately clear whether Biden was suggesting that the missile hadn’t been fired by Russia at all

Who else firing missiles if not Russia? Trajectory from where then?

Giant Squirrel
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3 years ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

Zelenskyy yesterday: “Terror is not limited to our national borders. Russian missiles hit Poland … NATO territory. This is a Russian missile attack on collective security — a very significant escalation. We must act” https://t.co/zylfGdbwzw

Giant Squirrel
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3 years ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

UKRAINE tried to start WW3 yesterday when a UKRAINIAN missile struck a NATO country and killed innocent civilians.

Ukrainian leaders LIED and BLAMED RUSSIA. The AP wrote it up unquestioningly.

Ukrainian Leaders LIED to try and initiate full-blown WW3.

These are the facts.
Twitter Benny Johnson

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3 years ago
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//”Once I saw the US public didn’t actually care about the NSA domestic surveillance…”//

Twins man — frustrating that the masses can be misled so easily, but I simply have to continue to focus on what I can impact and try not to lose sleep over what I can’t.

Hayforker
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3 years ago
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That is much appreciated considering your intellectual abilities.

Hayforker
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3 years ago
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To be clear: I’d never want to debate you. I’d get crushed.

Vective
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3 years ago

Neither side in this debate seems to care about excessive regulations vs. personal gardeners. No one growing 6 or fewer plants should be required—for example—to register their water source. This overreach inhibits what should otherwise be a large movement of citizens growing their own medicine, and sharing it with their adult friends & neighbors (at up to 1oz at a time).

The market should be tanking as a result of Californian citizens growing their own supply, not because of competition from big business and cartels.

Johnny Gangaweed is rolling in his…

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Nooo
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3 years ago
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Boy was that interesting. A compendium of people who think that once they have a grow permit, any old permit, they can do ignore the rest of regulations. Snicker, snicker… Of course people use 215s to skirt the law. There was a medical doctor’s office in Vally West that never saw a doctor but certainly issued 215 cards to a steady stream of people. In the office 10 or 15 minutes. No one worried about it.

The law courts are full of people who thought they were untouchable. Or at least would never get caught. But the only true safety is being unnoticed. It helps to have the good will of the community to do that. Having destroyed that, constant court action is what is left. And why lawyers are so rich.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

A 215 medical grow is nothing to laugh about, it saves lives. I am friends with the Medicann co-founder and he understands this, he lives to help those in need, it’s actually nothing like you claim. Did you read this recent article? https://kymkemp.com/2022/10/21/warrant-for-the-wrong-parcel-leads-to-couple-with-infant-being-held-up-at-gunpoint-they-allege/

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3 years ago
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Excuse me Medicann founder*

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3 years ago
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Of course it was something to laugh about. Don’t being so offended. Most of the people getting 215 cards themselves thought it was funny to manipulate the law. “It’s for my joints.”

https://upjoke.com/medical-marijuana-jokes

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3 years ago
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Having crippling arthritis is not funny actually.

Nooo
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3 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

Yeah. Sure. Everyone getting a 215 card had “crippling arthritis.” Which of course is the point of humor about 215 cards. And pretending otherwise is why abuses abound.

It certainly is less of an issue since pot became legal for recreational use. Your comment is exactly a demonstration of the reason there can never be a reasonable accommodation with pot growers. They refuse to acknowledge the bad or harm created from so dearly beloved herb farmers so fall out can never be reasonably address. It’s always crisis time.

Entering a world of pain
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Entering a world of pain
3 years ago
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Weird. I went to that office twice. And both times I saw a Dr.

Vective
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3 years ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

Awesome, thanks. I don’t know how I missed it.

Nichole Norris
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Nichole Norris
3 years ago
Reply to  Vective

Bless it. Hey if you click on name you can see everything I’ve published.

Country Joe
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3 years ago

Government will screw up just about everything. Given enough power and time it will screw up everything.

Mr. Bear
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3 years ago

Why are all the photos in this article so cute with ladybugs and tiny frogs? I’ve been on dozens and dozens of farms and usually it’s the household trash, soil bags, fertilizer and pesticide containers that I see. That and the acres of sheet plastic and roaring generators. Some nights off 36 all you hear is generators until late at night.

I’ve been on some that were very well kept and tidy but in my experience they are the exception.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Bear

Those are photos from the two farms I interviewed who are really concerned about the initiative, I actually wanted to put in a screenshot of an ~ 10k acre hoop house grow featured on the proponents site to show the difference, but I guess I didn’t have the right to use it. Please feel free to post photos if grows without frogs, ladybugs and goats. I don’t know if any personally.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Bear

The photos in the article are of the two farms I interviewed that are very concerned about the initiative. I actually wanted to use a screenshot of an approximately 10k sq ft grow from the proponents website, though I did not have permission. Please feel free to post all the terrible grow photos you want. I don’t know anyone with a grow like that personally.

Kym Kemp
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3 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Bear

The problem with taking a photo on private land is you need permission. Those folks who do things right are happy to let you take photos. Thus, the pretty pics.
The ones who don’t do things right don’t let you come on their place.
The third option is law enforcement photos from busts. The complaints then are that the trash etc are left by law enforcement. I’m sceptical of both sides here. While I’m sure that individual officers can be responsible for some trashing of property, I’m also sure that individual growers can be responsible for some terrible messes. I’ve seen a few really awful places.
The proponents of the initiative are going to struggle with those problems when trying to get images of the serious environmental damage found at some grow sites and…so are we.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Bear

This is what many gardens look like, at least the Legal Gardens. Also Tidy when it comes to vegetation is only sometimes the goal. We aim to work with the environment, not dominate it. We have quail that eat our understory, worms, lacewings, ladybugs, we don’t worry about pests so much because we know it’s a cycle of bloom of prey, and then the predators come. Give the plants a little less water, and they grow their roots longer and more robust to tap into the water table using only what they need. You care for the soil, water, and air and nature gives back tenfold. Its a relationship people just forgot we are part of nature and have a role to help cycle the nutrients and care for the forests

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3 years ago
Reply to  Farmer

Well said.

izzy
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3 years ago

With a total 2021 Humbolt County population of 136,310, and considering a typical family structure, the Sheriff’s estimate of pre-Prop 64 farms would have a very large percentage of the citizenry involved in that enterprise. Actual legalization of a formerly illegal agricultural product, along with gross overproduction, has to cut the price drastically. Even with the current byzantine mess made of that, market forces are asserting themselves. And the problems with crime, violence, and social damage are certainly real. Add in the usual corruption and governmental dysfunction, and here we are. It was always a dream too good to be true. 

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3 years ago

Only in Blue States do people willingly vote to impose new taxes on themselves AND simultaneously ruin their livelihoods.
“Cannabis” is a slow rolling train wreck and the farmers themselves are the ones in the wreckage.

Screw it… time to start growing poppies. At least heroin is safer than fentanyl.

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smh
3 years ago

Southern states never voted to legalize liquor production?

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
3 years ago

Oklahoma is actively working to increase taxes and regulation on their cannabis industry. Oregon went with a super light approach to taxation and enforcement and decimated their cannabis industry

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Sigh
3 years ago

Blame all problems on the masses, too frickin lazy to greenthumb a little. Really, ‘Merica, grow a pair! You’ll save $, and help stop the suffering of both permitted AND black market pharmers, and county staffers and initiative drafters.

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3 years ago

Pot prices per ounce or pot prices per pound; what other agricultural crop comes close?

Nooo
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3 years ago
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Saffron and vanilla. Morells, Matsutake and Chanterelles mushrooms come close before drying. The most expensive is too gross to mention.

Farmer
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3 years ago

My main issue with the “Reformers” is that they aren’t honest. They have essentially lied to get signatures. Being a sociology professor makes it even worse because she knows exactly how to manipulate each population. They go to the farmer’s market and tell people they are here to help the small farmer. They go to the Ferndale fair, telling people to beware of Mexicans and eastern Europeans coming to take over their neighborhoods. An Educated woman like that, an ex-professor, knows exactly how much harm she is doing but doesn’t have an F about the fallout as long as she doesn’t have to have any new neighbors. Pretty gross to use race-baiting in areas they know have serious divisions and problems like that. Yeah, we heard you all at the fair and how you were speaking shame on you

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3 years ago
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You can mitigate environmental issues but it is more difficult to mitigate a mindset.

farmer
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3 years ago
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capitalizing on hate is gross regardless

Seth
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3 years ago

“Thurmond said a primary concern “is all the people in rural Humboldt County who have really been harmed in a number of ways by cannabis cultivation. They’ve lost their water, they’ve lost their neighborhoods, they’ve had the criminal elements move in.”

I guess it’s all relative. If you lived as a cognizant being in Humboldt County from the 50’s or early 60’s you can readily see how cannabis has changed almost everything in rural life in Humboldt County – and not for the better. Thurmond is right – it’s a primary concern of mine. If you grew up with it you can’t remember what it was like before. The locked gates, shootings, violence – even in the 90’s as a federal employee responding to a landowners request (yes a grower) I wouldn’t go into Salmon Creek without being escorted by the landowner. Highway 36 is swamped with growdozers hauling trailers, big rigs hauling bagged soil and our neighborhood has turned into a locked gated paranoid keep out mix of new and old – pepper spray has become a must when out taking a walk. The last 15 years has seen an explosion of traffic.

It’s kind of like living in Humboldt County before and after the 1964 flood. You either remember teepee burners, Pepperwood, Highways 101, 36 and 299 and Singley Hole or you don’t.

Farmer
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3 years ago
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The man is a Transplant. He didn’t grow up here. I remember before cannabis how hungry and poor we all were. None of our parents had money, and the people from the town treated us like shit because we couldn’t afford new clothes. I remember sheep, huge vegetable gardens, riding horses, and having fun with my friends down the river. I remember all of the friends who would visit and believe we lived in paradise. I also remember being terrorized by men with guns pointed at us children from helicopters. I also remember hearing about my friend’s dad being taken away for a handful of plants. Gone for years. People used to stand with the homesteaders and back to the landers then. There was violence before Cannabis, a lot of it. The land in Kneeland was stolen by people who massacred or indoctrinated the indigenous people. That wasn’t too long ago. When did the violence end? Im not sure I’ve ever known the rural white population not to intimidate or beat the tar out of brown-skinned people coming into their neighborhoods. Kneeland hasn’t changed. They use law enforcement to do it for them now. Don’t be brown and go to a cow town, and certainly, dont be brown and try and buy a home in Kneeland. The whole neighborhood will have a meeting about it and make sure your scared

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Farmer
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The greed weed started after we killed Timber, and people needed something to feed their kids. Those people didn’t intend to “go back to the land.” They probably had the opposite desire after their jobs and families were devastated by anti-logging groups. The Meth exploded here as well with the death of that industry and the violence and crime. We have lived the repercussions of one rural industry leaving. Why are we trying to do it again? It would F Humboldt up for another few decades. I can’t imagine what kind of shit desperate people will turn to. It wont be good.

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Giant Squirrel
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3 years ago

Test

Swizee
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3 years ago

This is the most common sense legislative thing I have read yet.
Of course the mega grow groups suppose it. It could actually level the playing field.
Feel free to give me bumper stickers and signs for my gate.
I wonder how many people would have voted for legalization if they knew that the taxes would be repealed and mega grows ( grows over 10k) would be set up everywhere.

B Honest
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3 years ago
Reply to  Swizee

Measure S taxes are an excise tax added on top of all other taxes.

If you vote against cannabis and the newly regulated industry, we might as well kill Humboldt all together.

Southern Humboldt is dead.
The county extracted over $100 million in permit fees, taxes and abatements over the last six years.

There are just as many closed stores as there are open in Gaberville.

Then go to the Bayshore mall.
More than half of the food court is closed and more than half of the shops are boarded up.

The only industry Humboldt county has today is Government.

We don’t have any other industries up here. Tourism isn’t for the food and shopping. It is hard to extract a dollar from someone coming to camp for a week.

Support the cannabis industry or our county is doomed

Giant Squirrel
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3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

Move it down to industrial ag land to stop the environmental damage in our rural Hill country then go for it, permit operations same scale as Santa Barbara to compete.
PS clean up the trash when pulling out

B Honest
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3 years ago
Reply to  Swizee

By the way.

How many planning commission hearings have you watched?

They are public meetings and you are allowed to speak against individual projects.

Instead of killing am industry look at each permit individually.

Maybe then we could have closed some of these mega grows

Hayforker
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3 years ago
Reply to  B Honest

“Instead of killing am industry look at each permit individually.”

This!!!!

Country Joe
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3 years ago

I’m small time and will never get involved with the government.

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
3 years ago

National legalization is the answer, let competition have free reign to lower consumer prices

Vective
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3 years ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

National decriminalization is the answer. Let Ganga be free to grow and give away to adults, but keep sales criminalized to deter the pot economy and use the fines to fund education to prevent use by children and young adults under 25 (whose brains are still under development).

Humboldt
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Humboldt
3 years ago

You know, I often hear people speak negatively about California, saying it has too many regulations; is hard to start a business or build a building.
I’ve passed those off, thinking how, in spite of that, we have some of the most inclusive laws and culture and socialized medicine, etc, so the trade off is worth it.
But hearing about initiatives like this makes me wonder.
I certainly hope we don’t regulate ourselves into a corner and confirm what the haters have been saying all along.