Warrant for the Wrong Parcel Leads to Parents of Infant Being Held Up at Gunpoint, They Allege
Two Humboldt County Sheriff’s vehicles parked outside of a Rancho Sequoia couple’s cabin on Wednesday. Cannabis buds rise in the left foreground. [Crop of an image from John Doe]
According to the couple who prefer to go by John and Jane Doe at this time, they were at their small remote homestead with their eight-week-old daughter when deputies arrived.
John wrote in an account with his attorney, later shared with this reporter, “At approximately 1:18pm on Wednesday October [19], 2022 two Sheriff trucks drove up my driveway and exited their vehicles, and came onto my porch and proceeded to bang on my door saying that they “have a search warrant.”
![The first Humboldt County Sheriff’s vehicle that pulled up to the remote cabin. [An image from John Doe]](https://kymkemp.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/image4-1.jpg)
The first Humboldt County Sheriff’s vehicle that pulled up to the remote cabin belonging to the couple. [An image from John Doe]
His partner, Jane also wrote to their attorney, about how the police kept pounding on their locked door claiming they had a search warrant that was never revealed to the couple at any point in their interaction. The couple said they kept asking to see the warrant and the officers allegedly kept saying, “It was on the way.”
John recalls, “When I opened the front door they ordered me to “turn around and put your hands behind your back.” The officer on my right had a handgun pointed at my chest. I was unarmed.”
John then stepped outside of his home and was put in handcuffs. He told us,
[While I was] outside of the home they asked me who was inside and I notified them that my girlfriend and our daughter were in the house and no one else. They immediately placed my girlfriend in handcuffs also and entered our home without our permission and also without showing us a search warrant.
Jane said that when John unlocked the door, the first thing she saw was two officers.
Jane added,
The taller one on the right had his gun drawn and pointed directly at [John’s] chest. He told [John] to turn around and slowly walk towards him with his hands up. Once [John] was outside I was told to do the same. They put handcuffs on [John] and then put handcuffs on me…[T]his is when I started getting the shakes because I’d never been put in handcuffs before, let alone had a gun pointed at me.
John noted in a message to this reporter, “They wouldn’t let me get my phone to record… I asked to speak to a lawyer and they wouldn’t let me. I was also never shown a search warrant.”
Jane said the officers demanded they go back inside and stand in front of their fireplace. She wrote,
The taller officer asked if anyone else was in the home and I said just our daughter, she was sleeping in our bed… I looked [past] the officer standing in between us and the doorway to our room where my daughter was sleeping and I started to cry. I was terrified of anything bad happening to her or either of us once the police entered our home.
John asked if he could see the search warrant again, and Jane recollects, ”They said no and that we had to wait for the leading officer to arrive to see it.”
In addition, the deputies did not identify themselves at this time.
“All sheriffs said they did not have their cards with them and no visible IDs on [their] camo military gear,” John told this reporter.
While officers were inside their home, John recalls how “terrified [Jane] was from being separated from their two month old daughter sleeping in their bed,” adding,
We were held and questioned about a grow below us and I repeatedly said we had nothing to do with any other properties. Our property is a small family homestead with a small personal medical grow. We had twenty cannabis plants on the property in a small 10 x 10 [square] foot area on our front porch. The stalks from six large plants that had been harvested in September remained in large containers and were hang drying in our home.
The couple wrote that at some point the deputies named an individual and claimed he was the owner of the property they were on.
The couple tried to explain that they did not know the man. Jane wrote, “We’d never heard of any man with that name being the homeowner. We tried to tell him that [the previous owner] … built this house from the ground up and has always been the owner of the property up until [John] bought it this year in January.”
Jane added, “While this conversation was going on the taller officer was going through our things…He [opened] four totes in our kitchen and left them open, he searched through our garage too. When he was done he said to the smaller officer that he was going to go search up the road (towards our water tanks) and that the leading sheriff would be here shortly.”
Jane explained they waited an awkward ten minutes in their living room for the officer to arrive, and, “During this time my daughter woke up from all the commotion and the officer watching us asked if I wanted to go get her.”
Jane wrote that she said, “yes,” and added, “He allowed me to get up and took off my handcuffs so I could pick her up. He told me to bring her back into the living room and I remember feeling like I didn’t even want him to look at her. I sat back down on the couch with her and she calmed down.”
John described that while officers inspected their garage and every room in the house, “One officer left to inspect the property outside and another officer told me the search warrant was going to be available to me shortly.”
But, eventually the deputies realized they were in the wrong place and explained that law enforcement had thought their house belonged to a neighboring property. In a recording the couple made of law enforcement, the lead MET deputy told them, “[Your house is] right on that line. Your house literally shows being on both parcels. Last time we were out here, this house was tied to that property down there. That’s why we are here.”
John said after MET drove away, the deputies went to property below them. “CDFW showed up an hour later asking where the sheriffs went,” he wrote. “They were all lost, it seemed like.”
As Lisa Music reported yesterday on Redheaded Blackbelt, several search warrants were served in Southern Humboldt by the Marijuana Enforcement Team (MET) and the California Department of Fish and Wildlife (CDFW). Initially, the lead agency on the different incidents was unclear.
“In a somewhat confusing turn of events, both CDFW and MET have both taken credit for the law enforcement presence,” Music wrote at the time. Eventually, CDFW and MET confirmed that CDFW was in charge of the first three warrants served which stemmed from a Trinity County investigation.
MET was in charge of the incident which resulted in the couple being handcuffed. According to a Humboldt County Sheriff’s Department spokesperson Wednesday afternoon, “No cannabis was located/seized during our warrant [the one in Rancho Sequoia], however a stolen trailer was located and recovered.”
John told us that the trailer was not found on his property. “I don’t know anything about a trailer,” he explained.
He went on to say to this reporter, “When I exited my home I was less than a foot from the sheriff on my right who was pointing a handgun directly at my chest. He waved [Jane] over to him with the handgun and then put it away when he put us in cuffs. He took the gun back out when he said he was going to check the rest of the property.”
In conclusion, John said, “The whole experience felt like a gross violation of my civil rights.”
We have requested comment from the Humboldt County Sheriff’s Department but have not heard back from them as of publication.
Please Note: We should have requested comment from the Sheriff’s Department, and due to a misunderstanding on our part, we did not. That was wrong. I deeply apologize for our inexcusable lack of request for comment from all sides of this story. Kym
Please Note: This reporter occasionally works for Attorney Eugene Denson who has been approached by the subjects of this story.
Earlier:
- Who’s in Charge: Two Agencies Are Serving Search Warrants in Southern Humboldt
- CDFW Cannabis Enforcement Operation in Southern Humboldt Stemmed from a Trinity County Investigation
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Typical- The USA is turning in to a fascist country. It’s definitely guilty until proven innocent. And it’s only going to get worse before it gets better.
The Covid mandates were the most recent example of fascism.
Polio too? HIV? Hurricanes?
Ha! Fascists? I don’t think fascists cite and release for heroine possession, nor do they allow entire cities to turn into campsites.
Very well said conservatives aren’t fascists we just want to live and let live. I don’t want to be told by anybody period.
Except you seem to love to tell and restrict what women can do with their bodies. Hypocrisy in action.
Unborn children are not women’s bodies, even if they are still trapped in uterotrying to get out for their first latte!
I’m pro choice personally, however, it is the feminist left that has debased itself, essentially advocating that women be allowed into the grueling realities generally born only by men.
And, if I, a man, can legally identify as a woman, then the feminists really are screwed by men again.
Hypocrisy is a given in life.
If we have any ideals whatsoever, we are therefore hypocrites..trapped in a natural reality that complicates ideals.
Carry on..
Zelensky is depending on you
Even if someone honestly believes in the sanctity of fetal life, being fine with using the government to enforce that opinion on another is hypocritical in anyone who vociferously announces the government has no right to tax or require vaccination or send supplies a foreign war or any of the bazillion other government action that seem to offend the internet ridden right wing.
Anyone making a claim of absolute correct righteousness is always going to end up as a hypocrite because life is complex and nuanced and not at all influence by the self righteousness of the observer.
Something self righteousness can’t seem to understand. Both left and right righteousness.
BTW if you think unborn children are not women’s bodies, you’d have no problem being able to separate them at will at any point.
Too bad pharma doesn’t put the same energy into creating a birth control pill for men that they put into covid shots.
I’m pretty sure the abortion rate would go way down and men would have a more equal position in whether a child was created, condoms aren’t doing the job.
Why isn’t anyone demanding a pill for men?
The pharmaceutical companies actually have done just that. But I think you are way overly optimistic about it creating a sizable drop in pregnancies. The idea is always, since the woman gets caught with the bad results, she is solely responsible. That may give some men an option but I suspect there is not enough of an incentive they will use it.
you thought the Covid shot wasn’t a birth control pill for men? LOLZ
And Putin is depending on you. Trump and Putin are peas-in-a-pod. The MAGA Republicans love a dictatorship. When’s the next attack on America? Talk about hypocrisy.
just wait until they start drafting women for their woke war in Ukraine. Then we will have come full circle.
Live and let live? That’s why conservatives have been against every major advancement of civilization, freedom of (or from) religion, equality of races (end of slavery), equality of women (conservatives just won again) voting rights, employment and housing and, of course, Social Security and Medicare.
The Big Lie about the 2020 election. Conservative. American democracy is on the brink, obviously, due to conservative insanity.
Yeah, “live and let live.” That’s a joke. Overthrowing free and fair elections is fascist all the way.
uh…sorry but it was the Democrats who were pro slavery. The parties reversed that eventually. Democrats of today = Conservatives of yesterday. Every 100 years or so it flips 180 degrees.
Besides the 5G vaxxbots on the left are DIGITAL SLAVES now.
Yawn. So belabored.
Turning? The USA has been a fascist country for decades.
Will they sue? They should. Will the judges rule in favor of the fascists? Of course!
The judges already ruled in favor of the fascists when they signed the search warrant which was based on wildly inaccurate, imaginary GIS overlay “lines”, as if they were based the actual surveyed property lines.
What are the Judges going to do, admit that they screwed up royally by signing such bullshit, inaccurate warrants, based on inaccurate, therefore imaginary GIS projections, in the first place, and admit that they had done the same thing, countless other times…???
Unlikely.
Whenever I have submitted GIS documents to any organization, I simply include the postscript: “These documents are to be used for planning purposes only. They are not intended to be used for legal or navigational purposes.” Not that I’m suggesting this, but the person(s) who submitted these documents could be held legally liable and sued. The judges are interpreting the likelihood of criminality based on aerial imagery, not the validity of the metes and bounds of the aerial imagery. That would fall to the person (or company) that prepared the documents.
MET, Sheriff’s, etc should know by now the County’s GIS parcel lines are wildly inaccurate. It’s time the law drops this counter insurgency role playing game when busting tomato plants. They would have made it to their objective sooner if they took the couple at their word, or followed the law and produced a warrant.
They know.
They know but they apparently don’t give a crap.
Just let the lawsuits role in and maybe they’ll get their act together. Ha!
https://humboldtgov.org/276/GIS-Data-Download
‘GIS Data Download’
“Disclaimer”
“The County of Humboldt makes no guarantee of the quality or completeness of this data. It has not been fully reviewed for accuracy and is intended to be used for planning purposes only. The department assumes no liability or responsibility in the use of this data. While every effort has been made to assure the accuracy of this information, it should be understood that it does not have the force and effect of law, rule, or regulation. In the event of any difference or error, the law will take precedence.”
“The accuracy of map data varies from location to location in the county. While the GIS is useful for planning purposes, it should not be relied upon to determine property, zoning or general plan designation boundaries or be used in any way for project design. All GIS data should be verified before it is materially relied upon for property or project planning. In urban areas the GIS map data maybe inaccurate by as much as 50 feet in any direction. In rural areas the map data may be inaccurate by as much as 400 feet in any direction.”
400′ is n enormous “margin of error”.
Parcel size in Rancho Sequoia Subdivision is, I believe, 10 acres.
Although the parcels on Rancho “widely” vary, the theoretical dimensions of a 10 acre parcel are only 330′ x 330′.
Maybe you can see where I am going with this…
That it’s not surprising that the sheriff’s didn’t know where the were going, if they were relying on the GIS data to guide them or they were serving warrants based on this GIS data.
For the sake of the discussion, a 400′ margin of error represents nearly a third of a 40 acre parcel in any direction…
Effectively reduced to 920′ x920′,
That would translate into as much as 51.4% of a 40 acre parcel appearing to be on a neighboring parcel or parcels, and vice versa…
20.57 acres of a 40 acre parcel’s violations, could theoretically be misattributed to a innocent neighboring individual(s).
This makes satellite imagery with a GIS overly, specifically and especially in Humboldt,being used as a basis for enforcement and or for probable cause, in order to secure a search warrant, or initiate an abatement process, highly inappropriate, and likely unconstitutional, to say the least.
Apparently the HCSO considers itself above the law.
Your dimension is incorrect. Parcels in RS are 310′ by 1320′
You are correct.
My error.
I have described about a 3 acre parcel, inadvertently.
However, the jist is still the same…
With a 400′ margin of error, entire 10 acre parcels could be theoretically misidentified…
Other potential errors, that do in fact occur, and must be taken into consideration also…
A 400′ margin of error, is, in my opinion, somewhat conservative.
I am absolutely sure that there are instances of an even greater error than 400′ for one reason or another.
But thank you for pointing out my mistake.
I do appreciate that.
And I regret the error, and I apologize for it.
Did you find anything truthful within my comments?
OK, why was the search warrant never presented to the homeowners? Not a lawyer, but I thought that was customary. The homies could have pointed out errors on the warrant, sparing a lot of grief. Nice of the officer to let mom get her 8-week-old baby. Geee-Zus kee-rist!?
330 x 330 = 2.5 acres
An acre is 43560 sq.ft.
In any event, the cops are out of control. And seem to be enjoying themselves.
That is true also.
Nice catch.
I figured it out after I made that hasty estimation of 3 acres…
I won’t try and excuse it as a rounding error.
I just goofed up…
That’s hard to admit. You get honor points.
Very true&they can’t get warrants based on parcel quest.this has been going on for a few years now the feds did it to me.Steve white for example &others.they have there black asphalt monkey chain doing there stealing is about it.eventually I’ll get my time to show people how dirty they will do you.hopefully they smarten up&stop using impound papers for return sheets
Our property lines are 150 feet off of what is shown on the county GIS. My neighbor wanted to put a fence across my driveway because he thought that the person we bought the property from had somehow “stolen his property” and he wanted it back. I had to get a survey to settle it all out. He still thinks the surveyor is wrong. The decades old survey monuments are still in the ground.
You do have to watch your borders, especially on older subdivisions. Somebody dies or leaves and the neighbor simply moves the fence over while the lot is vacant. New owner never checks it and it turns up years later. I knew a guy near Fortuna who hired a plumber to run a water line along his border. The line went down the middle of his property, ‘cause that was what the survey said! Somebody moved the fence years ago. Messed up the whole neighborhood. People will pull all kinds of shit if they can. It’s easier to ask forgiveness rather than permission.
Wait. You’re in favor of borders now?
LMAO
When the planning department first came out with these photo overlays of property lines I asked the planner in charge of the overlays project why the property lines were so wildly inaccurate and he said the overlays were done by people making 7 dollars an hour down in Southern California and you cannot rely on the accuracy for anything other than getting an idea where the property is on a map.
The flood elevations on the county website are also very inaccurate. There are areas in the county’s 100 year flood maps that’s are 170 feet off of the river and just across the river are parts of the river itself not even in the 100 year flood. That could be very dangerous not having accurate flood elevations when placing a structure along the river.
Pointing out such details is like a twist on Pompey’s attributed and infamous remark “Cease quoting laws to us that have swords girt about us!” It’s so much worse when the one’s quoting laws are also the ones with swords.
According to Adam Smith the US was never designed to be a capitalist country, it is just a term we use. Mussolini described a country where businesses and the government collaborate to control the economy and the population as fascist countries.
I think you mean Trump and his Russian mafia collaborating to control the economy. If he were to be reelected 99.9999% of this Country’s wealth would be in the hands of big business, banks, foreign corporations and billionaires. Trump has already stated in public that he would reduce taxes on big businesses. The biggest problem for the rest of us peons is the inequity of wealth. When one tenth of one percent is owned by the rich that don’t leave much for the rest of us. Can you imagine what Trump would ask in return? And remember the Saudis gave Trump’s son two billion American dollars (that should be investigated) that I am fairly confident Donald has access to pay lawyers and failed businesses. Capitalism is just another type of communism. Its only difference is who owns the country’s wealth and sets the prices. Greedy businesses or greedy governments!
It’s true that the Republicans are worse when it comes to bowing to big business, but the neoliberal Democrats are hardly better. Remember who was responsible for repealing glass steagle at how hard we had to push to get her to consider reinstating it.
Republicans aren’t worse. Democrats show up at commercial group meetings- which are just superficially disguised campaign fundraisers for business lobbying- at the same rate as Republicans. Or even more often. But Democrats are just very quiet about it because their constituency is anti business while Republicans are less so. Campaign funds”real money” does not come from the pennies of the public but from the checks of the lobbyists. So if a candidate is running a national campaign, whether Republican or Democrat, they have been funded from the same source. Often at the same time because the point of the money is to buy the hear of the future President whoever wins. This is not an ideological choice.
Jan. 6 was and is Republican all the way. The Modern Republican Party is destroying democracy every day. This tired old boilerplate that you are advocating is proven wrong every single day that Republicans push The Big Lie of a stolen 2020 election with no proof, but Trump called in an attack on his own nation and you try to equalize that with the Democrats?
Who was Ray Epps?
Glass-Steagle was a huge screw-up for Clinton, as I recall. Trying to get along with Jack-ass Republicans, he repealed the separation between investment and commercial banks. I can’t think of the Republican chicken hawk involved. Commercial banks were for working people who needed savings and retirement; investment banks were for rich gamblers. Mixing them hurt workers and sucked up to millionaires. That’s the gist of it.
still, vote for Democrats as the best choice, despite shortcomings. If the country collapses, we all go down with the ship.
Chronic TDS is detrimental to one’s mental health…
It is but then it is for both sides of the issue.
Your side attacked the United States of America so you can drop the “all sides” fantasy.
BLM/Antifa.
Where did I declare a side? Find it. All I do is point out the stupidity of so much of the nasty garbage posted by the smug, simple self righteous. Of course the smug self righteous do view the world as divided between themselves and all else being enemies. And pointing out the defects in themselves automatically get pigeons holed as enemy.
But then it could be simply a failure to be able or willing to read for understanding as reading comprehension is at an all time low these days. It’s so much easier to assume.
you idiots think the left isn’t fascist too? COME ON MAN. Its a ONE PARTY system.
The midterms will put an end to the Dems’ “woke” fascist reign.
Illegitimate Joe Biden did that!
Let’s hope so.
Yes!! We will & then Trump in 2024
Perish the thought of Trump 2024.
Wooohooo! Can’t wait 4 the REAL PRESIDENT R TRUMP to fix was useless sleepy joe destroyed!
Trump and ? 2024…
Trump has too many negatives, better DeSantis
It certainly seems that way.
During the 1920s and early 1930s, Mussolini and Fascist Italy were generally well regarded in the United States.
President Franklin Roosevelt expressed admiration & praised Mussolini: “… I am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished and by his evidenced honest purpose of restoring Italy and seeking to prevent general European trouble.”
Roosevelt sent his entire economic team to Italy to study under Mussolini. Then they came up with “The New Deal.”
Following Mussolini’s fateful declaration of war against the United States in December 1941, President Franklin Roosevelt condemned Mussolini’s “stab in the back.”
Note: FDR.
Terrorists with guns n badges…I hear the federales are hiring in Mexico!
OBiden is hiring 78,000 armed IRS Agents to assault the middle class…
Wanna buy a bridge? Look, I’m a Nigerian Prince who needs to place 5 million dollars in an overseas American bank account . . . .
That’s what you get when you vote for democrats
Classic…only happens to those who vote D…more kool-aid please…I’m all out of glue to huff!
That’s hilarious! Like there were no gun-happy narc squads during Republican administrations. You missed your calling as a comedy writer.
You’re a “Jeffersonian” attacking Democrats? Oh-Kay.
Honestly what do you expect? You live in the pines basically an open pit toilet of dope growers…maybe move to Marin and get a real job.
It’s your fault to raise kids and family next to the felony fest! Then cry humanitarian crisis
Cuz the good guys show up?
If You ain’t a felon dope growing smuggling POS ya ain’t got nothing to worry about do ya?
Its the county and states fault that our area has become a pit of criminal activity due to lack of law enforcement. No one deserves to have their rights violated and Im for more enforcement. You cant blame people for wanting to live in a beautiful area even if it’s surrounded by ugly people.
Amen… We need to stop counting on government to pay our bills. Until then, the tyranny will continue and we will keep voting for more government (BLUE)
I’m just very glad that legalization has made us all free and safe. It was definitely worth giving the industry away to deep -pocketed corporations so that stuff like this would finally stop happening! And I’d like to thank everybody who supported corporate legalization.
Thanks Farce. This is one I totally agree with you on, assuming it is sarcasm.
Of course it’s sarcasm! Can you imagine anybody actually still thinking what I just wrote?! Talk about brain damage…Crack me up!
You would be surprised lol
Ah, yes…
The grossly inaccurate, imaginary GIS lines…
Is that what the Judges that are signing their previously honorable names to, that these screwed up, therefore illegal search warrants are based on…
Unreasonable searches and seizure…???
If I was one of these Judges that signed their good name to one of these slipshod, poorly researched search warrants, I’d be really pissed off at whoever it was that presented it to me to sign, as if it was legitimate…
I could see how that would give everyone in law enforcement, and the judicial system, not to mention code enforcement, and especially the judge, a bad name…
I’m sure this isn’t the first such warrant that was based on that screwed up, wildly inaccurate, satellite GIS lines, and signed by an unsuspecting judge.
And it must have probably originated with code enforcement, because they are the ones using the satellite GIS imagery…
The officer said that they had been there before, and the house was associated with the adjacent property back then…
I wonder if it was previously abated based on the same kind of screw up?
I’d bet that abatements are being performed on the wrong parcels based on GIS inaccuracies as well….
Code enforcement, or anyone else, has no business presenting slipshod, sloppy, search warrants for a judge to sign, if they are primarily based on grossly inaccurate, imaginary GIS overlay “lines”, and the Judges should immediately stop signing such warrants, and rescind any actions that were ever based on them.
I feel sorry for the people, like these unfortunate folks that are being “targeted” illegally.
I’ll bet it happens a lot…
Way too often…
And clearly, law enforcement is now aware of it…
I’m sure that they should have been aware of it long ago.
There is no excuse for it to continue…
Oh wrong place opps sorry have a nice day! What a load of crap. Every time they come to rancho same crap. The over lays they use have been know to be wrong for as long as they have used them. Everyone in law Enforcement knows along with the judges, and if they claim they don’t B.S. ! It’s been proven several times before. Friend was raided just last year very close to where this took place, same B.S. wrong name on warrant wrong address wrong photo! Someone needs to be held accountable for this type of harassment!
Sounds like they use to their advantage. 2 for 1 deal
State officials. fascists. thanks gavin and democrat party.
Yes, because everyone knows law enforcement is just a bunch of leftists.
Doesn’t Honsal consider himself a “Constitutional Sheriff”?
That’s what I was going to say…
I guess that’s only when it comes to enforcing mask mandates.
Unreasonable, unconstitutional searches and seizures conducted by his agency are another story, apparently.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Sheriffs_and_Peace_Officers_Association
https://americanpoliceofficersalliance.com/what-is-a-constitutional-sheriff/
Yes. And so. The sheriff is in a unique position as a law enforcement officer versus all others. Last line of defense. Serves by the constitution. And it pisses democrats off that they have no say in the matter but they are sure quick to jump all over them when a mistake is made. And reparations will be made for that mistake to the affected party, thereby crushing the democrat fascists entire argument. Good, as many a modern democrat is a fascist woke chump without a clue about how life really works. In less than one month, they will find out when they are physically removed from any position of power by the American voter. And on that day, the democrats can go crawl back under their moldy rock and cry like the adolescent babies they truly represent. Boo hoo. Cry me a River democrat fascists. Oh noooos, the Constitutional Sheriff says everyone should protect themselves with a firearm to which the democrat fascist responds in horror thinking to themselves that they might accidentally shoot themselves instead since their knowledge about firearms is about as relevant as their knowledge of our founding, zero knowledge, 100% emotion about how they think things should be in their Swiss cheese brains.The democrat meltdown is going to truly be a site to behold so grab the popcorn and secure your person and property when they start to burn, loot, riot, and stamp their feet at the man. Too dam funny and predictable. Big adult toddlers with Swiss cheese brains. See you in hell democrats.
Awesome rant! I’m not even sure I agree with all of it but I can appreciate an excellent rant. 4 Stars!
“Last line of defense”…
“Serves by the constitution”…
Seems like this was an “offense”, not a “defense”.
And the lack of a warrant “served” actually flies in the face of the Constitution.
Does the Constitutional Sheriff think that the people of Humboldt, including mothers and fathers with newborn infants, should ” ‘protect’ themselves with a firearm”, from the
very officers that are led by said Constitutional Sheriff that “says everyone should protect themselves with a firearm”…???
And make no mistake.
The officers knew full well that they had no warrant in hand as they pounded on the innocent family’s door.
It was no “mistake”.
I’ve heard it before, when they get lost, or are trying to figure out whose property that they are on, they start running license plates on vehicles that they encounter along the way…
Not too accurate or scientific.
Maybe this time they just figured they would start pounding on people’s doors…!!!???
Is that how the Swiss do it?
Or would that be how the British used to do it?
https://kymkemp.com/2020/05/28/the-rural-sheriffs-of-the-emerald-triangle-pushback-against-pandemic-restrictions/
“As Sheriff, I am the protector of constitutional rights in Humboldt County, and if an order is issued that I believe violates our constitutional rights, I will not enforce it.” ”
“He went on to add, “I can’t enforce a law that I don’t think is constitutionally sound. I wanted to remind the governor that he needs to be mindful of crafting rules that fit a variety of areas. I believe the governor heard us.” ”
“In a later press conference, Sheriff Honsal explained that despite law enforcement’s chain of command culture, if a law enforcement officer feels the orders given them are not lawful “you are not bound to that order.” ”
“When asked how the Constitution informs his work as a sheriff, Honsal said, “We look at the Constitution as a framework to restrain government, not as a framework to restrain people.” ”
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“…not as a framework to restrain people.”
Hmmm….
Yep, your right wing Humboldt County Sherriff.
May God bless Billy Honsal and his deputies each and every day and keep them safe during the course of their duties.
Amen.
May the Lord keep the rest of us safe from HSCO unconstitutional incursions, during the course of their slipshod, so called, duties, as well.
Amen.
Why does everything that has to do with Humboldt County Government have to be so damn sloppy, slipshod, and haywire…???
It’s not a good look.
Oh, that’s easy! Because the voters and residents are dope dealers???
This happened twenty or so years ago. I remember Estelle who was at KMUD News back then, did a similar report. I was sitting on me deck listening to the evening/morning news. Coppers went to a wrong place, infant baby crying, guns drawn, everyone freaked out. It’ll be interesting to know the legal ramifications of this situation. Can the Judge get a slap on their peepee? Or just the law enforcement officers involved? Or nothing? Ed Denson would know!
Why did you let them in your house without a warrant. Boys, you sit right here til that warrant comes!
You sound like Tom Allman, when his unmarked deputies we’re cutting peoples plants down,
He says, “it wasn’t my deputies, mine have identification, you can ask for identification”
Good luck trying to ask a fired up cop with a gun in your face anything.
Someone got the tail number off the the helicopter and it turned out it was Tom Allman and the Mendocino county sheriffs working with the dept of justice.
THAT CROOK ALLMAN – IS HE IN JAIL YET ?
Because they were pointing a gun at his chest and ordering him to. If he had resisted they probably would have shot him and I’m sure it would have been “justified”
Spot on. Come back with the warrant.
Maybe just consider this. They built their house within a portion of the adjacent property. I have seen this happen frequently over the last few decades.
No, this young couple bought the homestead in January this year
Nichole Norris,
Had it been previously abated before this young couple purchased it?
The reason I ask is that the HSCO indicated that HSCO had been there “last year”, and “the house was associated with another property at that time.”
I am wondering if that possible abatement was may have also been based on inaccurate satellite GIS lines.
When will the county, and or state, learn that it is unacceptable to base search warrants and abatements on GIS coordinates and satellite imagery.
If I am not mistaken, Humboldt County Planning department and/or code enforcement actually created this haphazard Satellite imagery/GIS mapping coordinates “mashup” that they alone use for search warrants and abatements.
I am actually fairly certain of it.
In fact,it’s very possible that John Ford himself was personally responsible for it’s creation.
He, of all people, certainly must be aware of it’s inaccuracies and deficiencies.
And then his department uses their own monstrous creation on order to justify search warrants and abatements…???
Mighty presumptuous of John Ford and his ilk.
The previous owner could have owned multiple adjacent properties.
Was a copy of the warrant ever produced?
It would seem like the people held and searched would be entitled to a copy of the search warrant, even if it was in error, in good faith, as proof that HCSO had a warrant of any kind, at all.
To not produce the warrant that the HCSO said that they had, regardless of it’s legitimacy, would be additional offense, IMO.
The aggrieved couple, and their eventual legal representation, if they so choose, should be able to clearly see which judge signed the warrant, who initiated it, what parcel it was written for, and for what offense, and who swore to it’s accuracy before presenting it to the Honorable Judge for his final signature….
I fail to believe that this was all about a couple of lost Sheriff’s that had taken a wrong turn, as easy as it is to get lost in Rancho Sequoia.
Really great questions and points, noted. I am investigating this case more, and yes I have a records request in for the alleged warrant that was never produced, in addition to abatement and raid history.
I think it would be a good idea for the HCSO and code enforcement to research the property’s sale history before making any enforcement moves. Ex. If there is a new buyer, maybe don’t assume they too are doing something unlawful, like the last owner may have been doing. Given our current economy and industry collapse , properties are changing hands rapidly. Holding new owners liable for past owners crimes is just not acceptable. Especially considering that few are growing commercially for profit anymore, because there isn’t any profit to be made. It seems a bit out of touch and the prevalence of medical sites being raided is an indication of this disconnect as far as I can tell.
Much more likely that the GIS Overlay that they based the search warrant on in the first place, (if there ever was one), was what was way off.
I believe you can here something possibly to that effect, in the recording of the police officer, who identifies himself as Shane Steele, if I heard it correctly.
It would be nice to have a transcript of that recording.
I think I heard something about “GIS”, and “surveyed property lines”…
I believe it is safe to speculate that is where the discrepancy occurred.
I don’t care if the HCSO needs to take a County Surveyor with them, to keep their searches on the up and up, they better do it.
And they need to stop going by the GIS lines on satellite photos, along with every department, especially the planning department idiots, and the code enforcement idiots.
This kind of behavior cops versus robbers. Us versus them. I remember Spy Rock in the early 80s all the signs along the road see Camp call Channel 10 etc. The amount of money spent on cannabis eradication in these last 50 years is mind-boggling. In the officer’s eyes everybody’s a criminal you’re judged before your judged
No matter what you say in the field they don’t care what it is you’re not going to be heard. That bias and judgment is pretty rough because a lot of times it’s extremely wrong. Given the plethora of reasons that they have made mistakes and errors in the past nobody has seemed to learn from them. It’s time for those with erroneous cannabis warrants to start figuring out the illness of their ways. Way past time.
Lawsuit incoming.
No warrant
No ID
Searched and illegally held.
Taxpayers get to pay for this, probably just a small 200k or so settlement.
You forgot the “seizures” part.
That’s the part that should make this unacceptable and be cause for recompense for damages…
Petit Mal seizures, that is…. The “shakes”.
“Jane” states:
“Once [John] was outside I was told to do the same. They put handcuffs on [John] and then put handcuffs on me…[T]his is when I started getting the shakes
Emphasis on:
“T]his is when I started getting the shakes..”
I believe she is describing a type of “seizures”.
The officer allegedly used his weapon, brandishing it menacingly, and held a family against their will, in order to do nothing more than satisfy his personal, unprofessional curiosity, and he did so in error.
He should be promptly placed on administrative leave, unpaid, until an investigation is completed, and the departmental procedures should be immediately modified in order to prevent this sort of thing from ever happening again, to the extent possible.
But, this sort of unconstitutional armed thuggery doesn’t bother the HCSO at all, apparently.
Honsal, with all due respect, these are your officers!
This is your department!
Do you condone this outrageous conduct?
Or are you complicit?
Will you excuse it?
Or will you correct it?
Does an officers uncontrollable urge to just ride in, point his gun at innocent people simply because he can’t resist capturing them in the sanctity of their homes, ransacking a few totes and clearly violating their constitutional rights while they are cuffed and separated from their 8 week old baby really justify these unconstitutional warrantless incursions?
(Allegedly, of course…)
I would beg to differ, Sir.
Please reign them in, Sir.
They are running roughshod over innocent people that are among your constituency.
The department issued neck gaiters, pulled up, as they were banging on these people’s door would have been fitting, and would have completed the “act”…
Common bandits, they were, not respectable members of professional law enforcement.
They do this kind of shit knowing god damn well California is not a stand your ground state and they feel safe that they’re not going to get filled with high velocity lead for showing up to someone’s house to rob and terrorize them without identification or warrants
This is absolutely not acceptable! I am so sorry, and this never should have happened to this family. How completely awful and scary.
What a shit show
It’s only a matter of time before a tragedy to occurs.
All in the name of compliance
Frankly GIS layers are so far off that even city lots routinely show houses straddling property lines. Everyone can plainly see the issue just by looking at maps on real estate sites. When warrants are issued for any place close to one, the police should be extremely cautious about assuming they have the right place.
Has there been a history of police being met with violence when they show up with a search warrant for pot violations that they need to assume that people Ned to be held at gun point straight off the bat? Even when they rotinely don’t seem to arrest anyone anyway?
Why set stakes in the midst of neighboring criminal operations? Report them to the police for the safety of your children. Agricultural products need to be grown on ag land not our mountains
My 1st take on this matter.
Why are you still coming in using guns?
Cannabis is legal. Ordinances are broken and nothing else when people grow weed.
Sorry but cops drawing guns on people breaking an ordinance is not cool.
We have way more serious crimes and ordinances being broken. Are we sending in the sheriff with guns drawn?
Then stop it already with cannabis.
Put you guns away. You guys look like fools and we the tax payer have to pay if this couple is smart and hires a lawyer.
Search warrant on the way?
Yet you entered and raided a house.
Oops wrong one. What if someone got shot?
What if the couple thought they were getting robbed and had a gun out when they heard noises.
We do live remote. We all have a gun. This has to stop.
True that, no need for drawn guns over weed
Wow !!talk about great Community relations .this couple needs to sue for a few million ,they deserve that at least .
Let’s not minimize the severity of this issue. Those police officers are lucky they didn’t get into a shootout with someone innocent of any crime.
First off a knock on the door out where I live is suspicious. Communicating through a door that trespassers in uniform have no warrant. This scenario seems like I am about to get robbed. I would not have opened my door. I would have clearly stated to the humans on the other side of the door to leave immediately your life is in serious danger. If you are cops go stand by the front gate til your paperwork arrives. Otherwise I will start shooting!
Now I don’t have a wife and kid so my decisions might have been different. Otherwise I am glad no one was hurt and I hope they sue the fuck outta the county, judge, planning department, CDFW and MET.
This is not new. It’s just being reported finally. They broke both my friends arms in weott 2012. He was handcuffed, in a squad car, they dragged him out and broke his arms. They tried to dump him up behind the powerplant, but saw he was still alive. Sadly this is true. They also didn’t have the right warrant for his house.
Best advice, contact an attorney. They are well aware of this shit.
As for a law suit I know he couldn’t file for some reason it had to be federal so he did file a federal suit. They paid him 400k out of some fund and it never went to trial cause the warrant was based off some technology they didn’t want made public, stingrays on weott or some shit. You can sue just not the officers, I think you have to go after the department or something along those lines, and I do recall it cost [edit] his job. Unofficially.
Best advice, don’t be a criminal and the cops won’t fuck with you.
That isn’t true.
My buddy said his kid was 5 months old and they held guns at the child and the mom. He was awarded a settlement of 491k. He said the cops broke his arms cause they saw the former head sheriff’s daughters name on his client list in the house. They left 291 firearms that would later be found in a cave. Buddy also said he proffered to killing a half dozen people over 10 years in an immunity deal with some federal oversight that was digging into former public officials in the sheriff’s dept. He lost all 491k plus in wrongful death suits after the department leaked his proffer.
Anyone who thinks this new department is any different is very unaware. It doesn’t take much to find it, it meaning dirty cop money. Simply look at Wyoming LLC’s in their wives names lol.
Night.
P.s. in regards to your advice. I’ll give you some…. When you get knocked down, you get dig in, sometimes hard, and you get back up… Don’t snivel your ass all the way to the police academy.
Where’s the article with pics about the 291 guns? Inquiring gun nuts want to know.
https://www.thetimes-tribune.com/news/cave-full-of-weapons-discovered-in-california/article_c7d49c8e-9c11-5659-965b-9095faada0ef.amp.html
They say only 111 in this article. They also don’t say anything about Singh being burned alive or Robert “roots” getting only 9 years for it.. and it all being intertwined.
https://m.northcoastjournal.com/NewsBlog/archives/2015/11/19/two-sentenced-for-sohum-slaying
Buddy doesn’t want his name dropped on here, but there is a Netflix deal on his life in the process.. he is also the guy who copyrighted his discovery, pretty insane.. I don’t condone all the killing, that said… The HCSO sure dropped the fkin ball on closure for a ton of families when they decided to beat a cuffed guy already in a car.. literally let a mass killer go free, and paid.
I think he is talking about the guy with the German buzzsaw.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that they got a buzzsaw out of that cave.
If I’m not mistaken, Downey posed with it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cave-full-weapons-discovered-california-deputies-flna1c8377458
If the link doesn’t open, try again…
It opens for me on the second try.
The picture that I remember of Downey with the buzzsaw isn’t in this article…
Here is another link, that doesn’t mention the German WWII mg 42 machine gun, (Buzzsaw) but the picture shows it , about the 7th long gun up from the bottom…
https://www.willitsnews.com/general-news/20130802/humboldt-guilty-plea-in-garberville-weapons-cache-case
They’re so gung-ho when they’re holding families at gunpoint or confiscating property for the county or destroying what they don’t take. I guess the overtime pay eases their consciences. Too bad they’re not so enthusiastic when there’s an actual emergency or law enforcement issue up here.
Sorry folks, but police are under no obligation to show you the warrant until the end of the search…that being said that doesn’t help you when they don’t have one for your property. But listening to people saying don’t open the door is a great way to get it kicked in…and cops have guns out during search warrants why??? Oh idk couldn’t be because it’s an extremely high risk activity. I’m not anti-marijauna. But I am anti entitled sohum grower…in the case the cops fucked up clearly, but the advice given by all the internet attorneys will only get you in more trouble.
‘But I am anti entitled sohum grower”
That’s quite a stereotype.
What are the parameters?
District 2?
Especially “Rancho”?
Your bias is showing.
I am anti pro-unprofessional-biased-law- enforcement.
What are your suggestions for putting a stop to these unacceptable, unconstitutional, unprincipled, violent, guns drawn, slipshod, traumatic, illegitimate, law enforcement incursions on innocent people and infants in the sanctity of their own homes…???
Just accept them as normal, and let them continue?
That would be very un-American.
(I am also very anti-un-American principles.)
Pray tell… What do you suggest???
You haven’t even criticized this action as inappropriate, unprofessional, or unconstitutional at all.
Was it professional?
Do you find it acceptable and appropriate?
I should hope not.
I’m not an attorney. I suggest anyone consult one before making a decision on how to act. But my understanding is while there are specific circumstances that an officer of the law doesn’t have to have a warrant, in general, they have to show a warrant before entering a home. “[P]olice generally need a warrant to search your home, and you can ask them to show you the warrant. If the police don’t have one, you can refuse them entry. If the officer hands you a warrant, make sure that it specifies your address.” https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/warrant-execution-unreasonable-police-behavior.html
The ACLU says, “You do not have to let them in unless they can show you a warrant signed by a judicial officer that lists your address as a place to be searched or that has your name on it as the subject of an arrest warrant .
Ask the officer to slip the warrant under the door or hold it up to the window so you can read it. A search warrant allows police to enter the address listed on the warrant, but officers can only search the areas and for the items listed.” https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/stopped-by-police
//”Sorry folks, but police are under no obligation to show you the warrant until the end of the search”//
You’re full of shit. If they’re trying to enter because of the search warrant, and not because of exigent circumstances, etc. you can require them to show you the warrant before entering.
//”The police are standing at your door—do you need to let them in? No, police generally need a warrant to search your home, and you can ask them to show you the warrant. If the police don’t have one, you can refuse them entry.”//
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/warrant-execution-unreasonable-police-behavior.html
//” the advice given by all the internet attorneys will only get you in more trouble.”//
And you are the absolute shining example of such.
So sorry that happened and yes sue. I’m glad your family were together when this happened I hate to think what might of occurred were either of you there alone. Without much more proactive protections for citizens, transparency and accountability of police then law suits are Unfortunately the only way.
EPD does horrible things too. No drugs involved in some cases and in all cases, witnessed while walking my dog ,and what happened to a good neighbor, no threats being made physically, tacitly nor directly to them selves nor officers who used excessive force and took away people (separate incidents none of the people knew one another, all were women alone) in their squad cars. I only know what then happened to my neighbor … two days later she returned . Sickening. She was an amazingly resilient person and never the same. My neighbor should have sued and by the time she (in her 60s) finished with a divorce she was in midst of when horrendous incitement with EPD occurred and psychologically got a little distance from both the statute of limitations was up. statute is only two years and it took a year for her to get erroneous charges dropped, charges that had she not been alone they would not have gotten away with. For six months They said they couldn’t find their body cam video . Public defender was trying to get her to plead guilty and take a deal which was absurd and thankfully she kept fighting. Public defender said judge would believe the police without video. I’m still surprised they ever produced the video. The evidence they had no business doing any of what they did was there the whole year she fought without a lawyer. the owner of her apt. Building accompanied her to PD meetings and was elderly and passive so was mostly only supportive as company not helping much to fight. Where does one find the lawyers commenters seem to think are so readily available ?
Sounds like a legitimate “error” due to structure being involved with previous drug raids at connected parcel. Bought the property could mean many things. Bottom line dope was found everywhere move on.
“…a legitimate “error” ”
Oxymoron.
“Bottom line dope was found everywhere move on.”
Did you miss this…???
“MET was in charge of the incident which resulted in the couple being handcuffed. According to a Humboldt County Sheriff’s Department spokesperson Wednesday afternoon, “No cannabis was located/seized during our warrant [the one in Rancho Sequoia], however a stolen trailer was located and recovered.” ”
Cannabis is legal.
Anyone that still refers to it as “dope”,
means that they haven’t “moved on”…
If anyone still has that attitude in law enforcement, they probably don’t belong there.
So it was when I was raising my family in a semi-legal environment. That’s the lifestyle you choose, take your lumps and keep living. If it’s not the police it’ll be the tweakers down the road.
Lets remember all this is over allegations that someone was growing a plant on there farm. Is that really worth pointing guns at familys. HUM co Sherriff you really #$%# up!
The whole county relies on aerial views with parcel maps overlaying the picture. Those parcels do not line up and everyone knows this. Still, with no pot on our property, we were hit with an abatement order, had our names in the legal section of the newspaper, and had threats of huge fines. We told the county cannabis enforcement folks that it’s not our greenhouse they were trying to abate. After I drove over there and showed them recent parcel maps, etc. they said they’d research it. Couple weeks later they called to let me know the “good news” that I “owned” another 100 feet of land, but the “bad news” was it had a greenhouse on it. Haha. Part of our parcel had been surveyed recently and I showed them the map the county approved and they still didn’t back down. Finally, a licensed surveyor I hired ripped them in writing on their shoddy work. They rescinded the abatement after a few weeks, and never bothered the neighbor, who got to finish his harvest that year. They also had to reimburse me for the surveyor, write a legal statement absolving us and rescind the order in writing. Such BS.
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Wow, this is sickening. Humboldt sheriffs , Mets , cdfw are scum. I hope karma finds them soon
What’s the penalty for an “accidental” home invasion if the perps barge in, hold everybody at gunpoint, then leave without taking anything?
Sue every agency involved
The title of the article seems to imply that this wouldn’t be as egregious had it happened to a couple who were not parents of an infant.
It shouldn’t happen. Period. This is worse that there was an infant in the house whose life could have drastically changed in an instant.
Cops need to be more diligent about getting the facts straight before they go guns blazing. They were at the wrong house!
This isn’t like getting a package delivered to the wrong house.
This is the kind of reckless mistake that lead to people getting killed.
I wish they would be more intent on getting the Fentanyl pushers. When’s the last time someone OD’d from Cannabis?
Thank sleepy joe and the deplorable democrats!
What? He was on the raid too, and nobody noticed?
I’m sure that Honsal and all of his deputies vote democrat. What a crock.
Honsal is a Republican…still a crook?
You must be trolling
I doubt he’s ever been to Humboldt and knows anything of our COUNTY laws. Thank Humboldt County, give credit where credit due. Same shit would be happening if the Oompa Loompa was president.
Believe me!! That experienced will scar you for life. Even if you’re guilty of something but out of the blue? Absolutely frightening.
I hope you follow through with this.
I would sue for $3 million. One apiece.
People throw the word Fascist around here a lot. I suggest you take the time and find out what defines Fascism. I think you’ll find Maga checks off more Fascist boxes than any other modern movement. As for this incident anyone who has seen the subdivision map for Rancho knows what a cluster !!!! that place is. At some point they chopped up all the 40s and allowed for 10 acre minimums. There are actually 40 acre parcels out there that have been divided into 4×10 acre triangles.
That inconvenience doesn’t trump the constitution.
You mean modern American movement, I presume, because the world at large has plenty violent intolerance at village and national level, most of it in non-European countries.
I know the far left very well, as they were my pathetic peer group for 20 years.
Now I much prefer the company of iconoclastic right wingers like myself and moderate democrats like myself than I do the blm/trans/antifa/punk left.
Those people are the lefts maga nuts for sure, just sayin.
Lol mags/modern day republicans are infinitely more fascist. Like why not just have sharia law levels lol.
You live up by Canyon Creek right? Finally a year with no fires, sweet?
Anything that’s defined in such a way that normal human values such as patriotism or respect for the law can be lumped into being called “ultranationalism” or “authoritarianism”, many movementa can be labelled fascism that are not. If you just pick and choose which elements are definitive of fascism, then any social agenda qualifies. “Suppression of opponents?” What liberal agenda has not tried that? In fact it is tried so offer it has a name- cancel culture. Frequently used on college campuses without blushing. Subordination of “individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race?” Socialism in a nutshell. “Strong regimentation of the economy and society?” Hello! Socialism again.
It is not enough to check most of the boxes. It has to check virtually all the boxes to make it a proper use of the word. And slapping the word down as proof of immorality is a diversion.
This is not just a local problem. Back in the late 70’s I was staying at my b-i-l’s place in Lynwood (next to south-central LA) when the Lynwood PD kicked in the door at 6 a.m. Rousted everyone out of bed at gunpoint, tore the house up looking for dope. The warrant showed up 6 hours later, for the house next door, for a stolen motorcycle. We were all charged with being drunk in public. When I politely asked the nice officer how in the world I could have been drunk in public when he dragged me out of my bedroom, he told me that I was in public while I was being walked in handcuffs from the house to the paddy wagon. Six court appearances later the charges were thrown out. Then it was our turn. There is no longer any such thing as Lynwood PD, the city’s insurance carrier forced them to disband it and contract with the LA Sheriff after paying out on the lawsuits.
Guns! How terrifying.
Fucking guns and religion.
Americans have become so accustomed to the presence of guns.
Their first option was to pull a gun on these people.
Horrible.
No wonder so many people are shot or killed by police.
That reflex to go for a gun needs to be trained out of them.
Horrible.
Those cops need to have their pictures plastered all over the county and media and they should be publicly shamed for their violence.
If I fucked up at my job, I would expect to be accountable for my actions.
Are they accountable for theirs?
It’s like they just say Oh well.
Meanwhile they’ve just traumatized someone for no reason.
Is this murder mountain?
If yes then who gives a shit, criminals complain about the cops.
Nothing new here
Who said this couple were criminals?
Sue them, they have to show a warrant up front. They have to show their cop ID’s too. This is not the first time they’ve raided the wrong property.
Sounds like the state and county have a law suit coming Long over due
Sack up MET and go after what matters. pretending like your agency is making a difference but we all know you’re scared shitless to go after those that are really deserving. This has moved beyond you….we NEED you to be better!
Lawsuit
Get a real good lawyer and get the compensation you deserve for having been molested by these cannanazis!
There is no amount that would ever make this right but 1.5 mil would def help make things a bit more right.
They need to feel it financially that they done did fucced up
If they say the “warrant is on the way”, tell them to come back when they have it in hand. Otherwise, they’re trespassing.
This is wrong on so many levels.
This is happening far too often. It has to stop.
Cops go to the wrong house and innocent people end up injured or killed. The cops just say Oh our Bad!
Thank God this didn’t escalate to the point that it could have ended in a fatality or the child could have been taken from it’s parents.
When are the cops going to learn?
Have a proper warrant in hand.
Show it when asked.
Go to the RIGHT address. Yeah, triple check it.
Don’t be pointing your gun at innocent people when it is unwarranted.
I’m a certified GIS analyst (20 years). The GIS lines are spatially correct. The underlying imagery conventionally has a +/- 30 meter accuracy at any give point. That’s about 900ft. Sounds like a rookie is take (and they should know better!)
A comment that began with…
“I’m a certified GIS analyst (20 years). The GIS lines are …”
…has vanished…
I would really have liked to read that one…
Was it removed by the commenter or by the editor?
It disappeared quickly.
Please repost it to the extent possible…
Thank you.
The person who commented was a new commenter so her comment only briefly appeared before it was hidden by my software until I had time to moderate it. It is up now.
Thanks. I had considered that.
It was revealed by the new format…
Added suspense…
Cool feature!
How does the county get away with basing fines and fees, raids, etc. on data they admit is wrong? That is not okay! This is corruption that needs to be addressed at a state level and corrected. The entire governing body of this county is responsible for the unjust actions being perpetuated by it’s individual departments, independently and collectively. The planning department knowingly provides inaccurate data to the sheriffs, who knowingly provide inaccurate data to the judge, who knowingly signs a warrant based on inaccurate data, without regard to those whom may be negatively affected and traumatized by their failure to keep and maintain records that accurately represent the county’s plot/parcel map. This data can not be trusted and the legality of any actions based on it are highly questionable on so many levels. I hope this story makes it to Ch. 3 ABC news, can’t wait to see how it plays out! Corruption, extortion, harassment, misconduct, collusion…their effects on the economy of SoHum county have been devastating. The lack of ethics and shear disregard toward this family is appalling!
CALLOUS DISREGARD FOR ANY CONSEQUENCES SUFFERED BY THE PUBLIC.!
Sue the fuck out of those tyrant scum bags. They would fuck you over in every way if they could.
Agreed
Anybody going to be held accountable for this mistake?
What should be the price for wrong address, probably standard procedures?
The Rancho parcel maps are actually amazing. How they stacked all those ten acre parcels that lined up with all those old logging roads (mostly)… the names of the roads are the best though. “Lake view terrace” and what not. Funny. Apparenrly Alderpoint was going to be a lake.
The survey errors and hand drawn maps are another story. Pull up a “barstool”.
“The survey errors and hand drawn maps are another story. Pull up a “barstool”.”
And so the plot thickens…
As do the margins of error….
So why did they not show them the warrent? I believe it is required.
They said it was coming. Whoever arrived first should have had it .
He belongs in the funny farm or the big house, not the Whitehouse.
“John asked if he could see the search warrant again, and Jane recollects, ”They said no and that we had to wait for the leading officer to arrive to see it.” ”
Wouldn’t the first officer to arrive, (the officer that banged on the door), be “the leading officer”?
Yes, the first one to arrive that pounded on the door should have had it in their hand. If he didn’t have it, he should have waited before proceeding
There is the officer that was there first. And there is the officer that is in charge/the leader.
Yep. I understand.
I’m saying that it sounds like HCSO did things backwards.
The officers leading with their guns drawn, were not “the leading officers” with the supposed warrant.
Sounds very out of order to me.
Was the warrant even ever eventually presented? Did John and Jane receive a copy, even if it was for a different parcel?
I think they should have.
I don’t recall that being mentioned.
Sounds like HCSO got ahead of themselves…
What I’m trying to say is that is seems a little inappropriate for the “leading officer”, (with the warrant), to follow the the “non-leading officers”, that arrived first… (The leaders, literally),
Apparently, multiple officers just “fan out” to different parcels, roust and accost the public, and cuff them with guns drawn, then randomly search them, with only one of them carrying a warrant…???
And then the “Leading Officer” makes the rounds, “mopping-up”, with a follow up warrant apologizing that it was all just a little mistake…???
Sounds pretty sloppy and slipshod…
Unconstitutional even.
But that’s Humboldt County for you…
I wonder if the guy would have run, would HCSO given him the Dirk Dickenson treatment?
I mean, they didn’t even have a warrant, if John would have run, could they even have legally chased him?
Would they have? Most likely yes, I would say.
And someone could have gotten hurt.
That’s where this nonsense becomes dangerous.
HCSO was lucky these folks were cooperative.
How are they even allowed to navigate the property and detain people and all that stuff without a search warrant on hand? That’s not even legal as far as I’m aware.
They don’t play by the rules