[UPDATE] Confusion Leading to Criminalization: The Hazy, Dangerous World of Cultivating Medical Cannabis in Humboldt County

Medical marijuanaHow many plants can a qualified medical cannabis user grow? Ask law enforcement or various state and county departments, and each agency, in some cases, each individual within each agency has a different answer. Few are on the same page regarding Proposition 215 and Senate Bill 420 as it relates to Proposition 64 and our local county ordinances, but contrary to a popular rumor often stated by government agencies since legalization, medical cannabis does still exist

However, all parties involved – law enforcement, code enforcement, the California State Water Resource Control Board, and even doctors who prescribe cannabis, growers and the lawyers who defend them–have a different understanding of how much medical marijuana qualified patients are allowed to cultivate. Subsequently, patients are struggling with the complex and costly repercussions of the inconsistent information given to them from various enforcement circles who raid and/or abate them for what patients believe to be compliant medical gardens.

Stephan Schnur, who was born and raised in Southern California, suffered from epilepsy after a car accident. He started having seizures that left him hospitalized. Schnur says his debilitating condition was cured by cannabis, mainly the highly concentrated Rick Simpson Oil (RSO), juicing massive quantities of flowers and leaves, and smoking.

Schnur explained, “When I started having grand mal seizures, [doctors] put me on a prescription of Keppra, which made me very depressed and suicidal. I was still having seizures on Keppra, about 5 total. After about a year… I decided the benefits of Keppra were not worth the risks and stopped taking Keppra. I started using medical cannabis to treat my epilepsy and became a state registered qualified patient.”

Despite his medical condition, which later included ulcerative colitis, his cannabis cultivation and use got him into legal trouble and even resulted in his being incarcerated for nonviolent marijuana offenses three times.

View of Schnur's cultivation area.

View of Schnur’s propagation area.

His first encounters with the law over cannabis happened almost twenty years ago. The violations spanning from 2002-2004 resulted from 3 ¼ lbs of flowers, and two grams of hash in total. That got him two years and 120 days in three different jails, in addition to four years probation, and two years in an outpatient facility.

In 2014 Schnur fled to Humboldt County to join a long list of medical refugees who found sanctuary pre-legalization under the safe haven of Prop 215 and SB 420 to cultivate their own medicine with a doctor’s 215 prescription. However, even here, the confusion about medical cannabis rules led to Schnur being forced to cut down what should have been his legal medicine under California law.

How did this confusion begin? About four years into legalization, in October 2020, the Humboldt County Board of Supervisors approved an ordinance that reduced the amount of canopy allowed based on parcel size, regardless of doctors’ recommendations or medical needs, restricting patients on parcels larger than five acres to 400 sq. ft., those under five acres to 200 sq. ft., and those less than an acre to 100 sq. ft.

For whatever reason, the 2020 Humboldt County ordinance seemed to coincide with a popular misunderstanding by enforcement officials that Prop. 64 essentially erased Prop. 215 and S.B. 420, that qualified medical cultivators could subsequently only have six plants maximum in their allotted square foot space, and anything beyond six is considered “commercial cannabis.”

Cannabis expert and local, criminal defense attorney Eugene Denson reports his clients tell him, since legalization, the Sheriff’s deputies and/ or Code Enforcement officers claim, “There is no medical anymore,” or that “the limit is six plants and the 215 doesn’t matter,” and various statements to this effect.

Denson added, “That six plant lie is all over California and has been for years. I suspect it is included in statewide Law Enforcement training and probably DA training too.”

One example of misleading information coming from enforcement agencies can be found in the CA State Water Control Board letters that were sent to some medical cultivators in 2018 claiming, “If cannabis is grown solely for personal, non-commercial use (maximum 6 plants), regulatory coverage under the cannabis general order is not required.”

(Screenshot of a Water board document sent to some medical farmers in 2018)

Screenshot of a Water board document sent to some medical farmers in 2018.

Additional evidence of the six-plant-maximum-for-medical narrative, can be found in the Code Enforcement Unit’s instruction manual called “How to Abate Public Nuisances and Correct Code Violations On Your Property” that is sent to Notice to Abate (NTA) recipients, which says personal and medical are intermingled with a six plant cap on cultivation.

(screenshot of pg 4 “How to” Resolve an abatement notice, “frequently asked questions”)

Screenshot of page 4 of “How to Abate Public Nuisances and Correct Code Violations On Your Property” Resolve an abatement notice, “frequently asked questions.”

In a previous interview in August 2021 between Director Ford and this reporter (audio link), he said, “[Medical cultivators] can grow six plants [for themselves] up to 400 sq. ft…on five or more acres. The county can’t supersede the state regulations, and the state regulations say no more than 6 plants.”

However, Director Ford said at the time that he wanted to investigate this matter more, and stated, “It’s no good for people to be confused, we do need clarity… I’d be happy to …talk about it with our county counsel. I’m always wanting to understand the truth and the law.”

(Screenshot of email exchange between Code Enforcement Officer Brandon Howton and a qualified medical patient after being raided and abated)

Screenshot of email exchange between Code Enforcement Officer Brandon Howton and a qualified medical patient after being raided and abated.

Sheriff’s deputies and Code Enforcement Officers also made this six plant claim during a 2021 raid and abatement of Corrine and Matt Selino’s land for a compliant medical garden, with two 215s. The Selinos are a family in Salmon Creek with a permitted farm on another parcel, but they were mistakenly abated last year for a medical garden and then raided during the ten day window to respond to the abatement, by the Sheriff’s Department, Code Enforcement and other agencies. (See earlier article here.) During the raid, they were advised by Code Enforcement and Deputies that they could only have six plants.

On September 13, 2021, Humboldt County Code Enforcement Officer Brandon Howton told one medical cultivator in an email that his six plants have to be in a 400 sq. ft. area.

Meynell’s email to qualified patient who was abated, April 6, 2022

Meynell’s email to a qualified patient who was abated, April 6, 2022

On March 25, 2022, another Humboldt County Code Enforcement Manager, Karen Meynell, stated in an email to an abated medical grower that “state law is 6 plants per residence.” In the same email thread she said she was “not the right person to answer this question.”

Meynell then responded on April 6, 2022 telling the same property owner that he could have 400 sq. ft. for medical in addition to six for personal use on parcels over 5 acres. Meynell’s April 2022 statement, according to cannabis attorney Eugene Denson, is accurate.

Current Medical Cannabis Consensus

As noted, Humboldt County Sheriff’s deputies have told people being raided that medical marijuana doesn’t exist. However, in an interview this summer, Sheriff Billy Honsal said he recognized medical cannabis laws were still on the books and if you have a doctor’s recommendation and are within the county ordinance of 400/200/100, Honsal said, “we are going to walk away.” He added, “We are not targeting the small medical marijuana grows…. We pass by 200-300 sq ft gardens all the time, we are not worried about that, unless it’s… in a residential area where we are getting complaints.”

Honsal also acknowledged Prop. 215 was not written well, making medical cannabis hard to enforce. He said if someone is growing more than six plants sometimes deputies have to go onsite to look at the 215 documents. To avoid unwelcome visits, Honsal encouraged cultivators to “give [his department] excuses to walk away” by making their 215s visable on their fence, their greenhouse, and/or garden.

In the recent interview we had with Humboldt County Planning and Building Director John Ford, his understanding of medical laws changed since our interview last August to align more with Attorney Eugene Denson’s analysis, and he said, “I just saw something new … I need to take a look at [the Patrick Kelly decision] and see if it affects our understanding of the 400 sq. ft.”

Director Ford said he needed to look into the six plants for personal use, in addition to medical, explaining, “Medical and recreational are technically different. It’s an interesting thought that perhaps if they are treated differently, they can be regulated differently and not tied together.”

With these various opinions over the years coming from government agencies and experts, it’s no wonder all parties involved are confused. The issue is that the gavel of justice isn’t hammering on the government agencies. It’s falling on patients who are sometimes doing their very best to comply with the law, while enforcement agents are providing them conflicting, and misleading information and then later penalizing them for the confusion.

Confusing Rules Harm Patients

Being accused of unlawful commercial cannabis cultivation can leave property owners burdened by steep costs and complex compliance measures. Patients feel this has been unfair because they are being penalized as they continue to get different opinions regarding their rights, depending on which agency or expert they speak with such as in the Selinos’ case where they followed their doctor and lawyer’s advice and were told something completely different by deputies and Humboldt County Code Enforcement.

Mistakes happen, sure, however a trend is a different matter.

Medical cannabis cases continue to surface in Humboldt County. One elder cultivator, Jacqueline Benjamin, is a longtime 215 patient. Like many legacy growers, she applied for a permit as soon as she could in mid 2016, but when she discovered she could not afford to finish, she endured a host of enforcement actions –once over an empty hoop-house and her medical garden of 40 plants, though she had a 215 script for 80. (Some 215s state a plant number, some state a pound count, both are valid, according to Attorney Eugene Denson though county government has not confirmed that).

Between the two homesteads and considering the empty hoop-house footprint, she was over 400 sq. ft. though she had enforcement issues before the 400 sq. ft. ordinance went into effect and even if the hoop house was full, she was arguably in compliance with 215 according to her doctor and attorney. That did not stop the Water Control Board from sending her a letter and later a search warrant based on their interpretation of medical cannabis laws.

In addition to the confusion over how much a medical patient can grow, confusion clouds a number of issues including whether the water used for medical cannabis is subject to the same rules as that used for recreational cannabis. In Benjamin’s case, the Water Control Board letter said medical marijuana growers like her need to register their water, and if they do not, penalties will be imposed for “diversion or use of water for cannabis cultivation for which a license is required but has not been obtained.”

Waterboard code

Water board document sent to cultivators in 2018.

Is a “license required” to cultivate medical cannabis though? If you have a medical garden with a 215, can the water board fine patients for water use based on completely separate commercial cannabis laws?

This reporter reached out to the Water Board to inquire, but no response was given by the time of publication.

Benjamin explained, after the State Water Control Board served a search warrant, Humboldt County Code Enforcement abated her in 2019, she said, “I signed a compliance agreement because I still had the idea that I could go legal and that’s what the county told me to do. But the $10,000 compliance agreement fee thrust me into bankruptcy.”

Benjamin said she tried to get a permit again, next time partnering with her tenants, but she was raided in 2021 before they could finish. Benjamin recalled, ”We were flown heavily by a large military helicopter. The greenhouses were empty next door and I had my little medical grow in my garden… 20-30 armed sheriffs …proceeded to terrorize me, my son and grandson… pointing their guns at us.”

She said it was traumatic for her family and pets, saying, “I still shake when I think about it. It was unbelievable. It no doubt cost the county quite a bit of money too, every agency was there”

Benjamin detailed that while on-site, Humboldt County Sheriff’s deputies told her medical marijuana did not exist anymore. The deputies also cut her domestic waterline and, as a result, her grandson was unable to wash and eat breakfast that day.

The waterline to the house where Jacqueline Benjamin’s grandson lives was cut.

Benjamin said even though she felt she was compliant, she felt she had no choice but to settle on the $10,000 penalty over her medical garden as her abatement notice from Code Enforcement initially threatened a $900,000 fine which was an impossible sum for her.

Medical marijuana patients, who have been the subject of enforcement actions playing out across the state and in Humboldt County are left wondering — how can agencies enforce laws, if they have not laid out what those laws are ?

There is no way to know for certain how many raids took place, or abatements were posted on legitimate medical gardens in total, or how many patients had their plants cut, or were told to sign away some of their rights, and to pay penalties under duress.

The misinformation and mistakes, coupled with the heavy handed enforcement across multiple agencies, have been costly to property owners financially, emotionally, and sometimes to their health if their medicine is seized.

Stephen Schnur's greenhouse.

Stephen Schnur’s greenhouse.

Stephan Schnur, the farmer that came to Humboldt County hoping to be able to grow medical cannabis instead had his 3000 sq. ft. permitted and 400 sq. ft. medical gardens raided and abated with a search warrant for the wrong parcel in 2019. He not only lost two pounds of his medicine, he was fined $15,370, and felt “forced” to relocate his family two months after the raid.

Code Enforcement told Schnur he could only have six plants for his medical garden, which led to a host of other permitting issues that were unrelated to cannabis. For example, Code Enforcement made him abandon his unpermitted septic and discontinue the use of the compost toilet. Then the B&B Portable Toilet company stopped servicing Rancho Sequoia where he lived, due to dismal road conditions.

As a result of the decommissioned facilities, and fines his family could not afford, Schnur said, “I had to take a loan against my property …My family felt forced off our land we lived on for seven years, and [we] relocated out of state.”

Eugene Denson spoke about the enforcement tactics being inconsistent with the aim of improving the health and safety of county residents. For instance, Denson pointed out that after telling Schnur he needed to get a septic system, the Planning Department wouldn’t allow him to install one. Denson said, “How does it benefit the health and safety of Humboldt County residents to prevent someone from permitting a septic tank after giving him an abatement for not having one?”

However enforcement officials insist the regulations are aimed at a specific purpose— environmental protection. Sheriff Honsal said the goal of enforcement agents is to return properties “back to what nature intended,” and acknowledged it could be “very costly.”

Honsal added his department focuses on crime associated, adding,”We don’t necessarily look at the socioeconomic impact of the people who are growing, that’s not a factor for us. We just see the crime associated and then we act on it.”

(Photo of Schnur’s permitted farm, featured in an abatement notice)

Photo of Schnur’s permitted farm, featured in an abatement notice.

Schnur said despite doing all he could to comply, he felt set up to fail. After spending about $30,000 in permitting costs, Schnur said he is still looking at about $70,000 more in infrastructure expenses such as solar, roads, a well, water storage, permitting all structures, storm mitigation plans, and the septic.

In addition to contradictory information given out by agencies and in the absence of clearly understandable steps, patients sometimes can misunderstand directions given to them by government staff. A few months into the county’s “final approval phase” on February 23, 2021, Schnur went into the Planning Department to speak with Director John Ford about the status of his permit to determine if he could cultivate that year.

Schnur’s spring visit to Planning was productive and, “Ford was very helpful,” Shcnur told us. He alleges though, “I asked Ford if this means I can grow this year. He said ‘yes, and you need to work on your state license.’ I told him I had been working on it and it was nearly finished.”

This month, Director Ford responded to the alleged exchange, saying he does “not specifically recall the incident.” He added, “There are two important points: a legal cultivator needs their local permit and state license. I am intentional about being very clear on those points.”

In April 2021, Shnur received an email from CDFW stating he was “authorized to begin project activities.” Which he took to mean cultivating cannabis. Though, CDFW likely meant their agency stamped his project for approval on their end only.

As summer was quickly approaching, and considering the confirmation (he felt) from the Director Ford and CDFW, Schnur believed he was safe to plant his permitted crop and medical garden.

Schnur was wrong. On May 25, 2021, he was raided.

Stephen Schnur’s property being raided.

And, when a patient cultivating marijuana is found to be in error, they are treated harshly–unlike a similar error made when growing other agricultural products which is likely to lead to a letter detailing a fine at the most. Schnur who felt he had been following the rules was treated like a dangerous criminal. “I thought I was all good,” he explained. “I was clearly trying to comply. Still, the Police handcuffed me, “for everyone’s safety,” they said. “My plants were cut, and they would not let my wife or I pick our son up from school.”

(Photo of Schnur’s nursery for his permitted farm)

Photo of Schnur’s nursery for his farm.

It is not uncommon for permitted farmers to get raided and abated after going through the county permit process, while waiting on their state license. When Schnur was raided, he was in the “scientific review phase” of the state permit. The only step after that before getting his license is the signature phase.

The search warrant was for Schnur’s neighbor’s property, not his parcel, however Schnur was raided anyway as a result of not having his state license and deputies denial of his current 215. Schnur explained to deputies that they were at the wrong parcel and showed the name, address, APN, and infrastructure inconsistencies on the search warrant.

When asked about the parcel mistake, Honsal stated that if they raided the wrong property, “[Schnur] has civil recourse, he can go ahead and sue us. …Mistakes do happen sometimes, I would…hope that they wouldn’t, but if it’s truly a mistake and we served a search warrant, but we didn’t have a valid search warrant, then there’s legal recourse for that.”

While Sheriff’s deputies were onsite, Schnur also explained his 15 year active 215 was not just current, but he just had it renewed eleven days prior to the raid and showed them evidence.

Stephen Schnur shows his medical garden that he was forced to remove.

When Schnur showed deputies his updated 215, Schnur said the deputy stated, “I think medical cannabis cards are mostly, in Humboldt a sham, they are just a way for someone to make money. I’m sure you don’t smoke an entire greenhouse full of weed.”

A Humboldt County deputy calls medical marijuana “a sham.”

Sheriff Honsal explained what the deputy likely meant was that some farmers used 215’s as a cover to skirt the law and said he noticed a canna-bias in enforcement circles still.

Sheriff Honsal explained,

What it sounds like to me is that they were saying that most of their 215 cards are a sham, but yes we don’t need to integrate our opinions, because there are legitimate 215 patients …Throughout the state, there’s still some bias on cannabis law enforcement’s end, we see it in Fish and Wildlife as well as certain law enforcement agencies… people hid behind 215 for years, when they didn’t have a legitimate medical reason; they were selling for profit…. But with 215 on the books, we have to be sensitive to that, so I will be bringing that up to our people.

Attorney Eugene Denson writes about the importance of enforcement agencies understanding the law in his medical cannabis analysis,
It is important for the Sheriff, the Code Enforcement Unit of the Planning Department, and other county officials to understand what is allowed under existing law because I believe they are presently violating the law in some of their enforcement actions in Humboldt County due to a mistaken opinion of what the laws of California allow. These actions make the county liable for damages and other legal remedies available to patients. See County of Butte v. Superior Court 175 Cal.App.4th 729, Granny Purps, Inc. v. County of Santa Cruz (2020) 53 Cal.App.5th 1, 266 Cal.Rptr.3d 752.

(Aerial photo of Schnur’s medical and permitted garden)

According to Dr. Jean Talleyrand, the Founder and Chief Medical Officer of MediCann and Founder of the Clinical Endocannabinoid System Consortium (CESC), member of the Advisory Board at the American Society of Cannabis Medicine, ​Appointed Member of the San Francisco Medical Cannabis Task Force and more,

Prop 64 and Prop 215 are in coexistence…From a medical perspective I tell folks I can’t comment on the number of plants and I don’t think the government should either… I tell folks to document their needs and grow to your needs … How can a state or county official tell you you can only have six plants without even knowing your medical condition? I don’t even feel like I can say that as a doctor, I can talk about dried flower weight, use patterns and things like that …but I’m not the botanist, I don’t know how you grow best.

Dr Tallyrand explained the 400 sq. ft. county ordinance could possibly be infringing on established medical rights, and, referencing an earlier medical marijuana case,said, “In the Patrick Kelly case the county was trying to limit his amount. The Judge determined the county was in conflict with state law…They are legislating a medical need.”

Dr. Talleyrand said he is disappointed by how legalization adversely impacted small scale producers and medical cultivators alike; he hoped there would be more compassion offered after legalization, and added, “It seems to me law enforcement makes mistakes all the time… I think nobody really knew the law and they let someone on the ground just make up numbers…It’s not really up to the Sheriff or Deputies to decide the law. The law is the law, they are sworn to follow the law.”

Schnur was upset at how harshly he was treated. He said he thought legalization was meant to end the war on cannabis. “I don’t want to be treated like a criminal anymore,” he told us.

Medical marijuana patient, Stephan Schnur, videotaped himself cutting plants in hopes of appeasing Humboldt County Code Enforcement.

Sheriff Honsal was cited in a recent Economist article saying that enforcement was decreasing in the County and that he was sympathetic to the plight of legacy farmers and aspired to “make up for the trauma inflicted during the war on drugs.” Honsal said, “[In the 1980s] it was like the military coming in…A lot of the old farmers still have PTSD based upon the helicopters flying low.”

Honsal elaborated on current enforcement statistics for Humboldt County, saying, “We do not [eradicate] anywhere close to above 1-2 % of the illegal grows every year…in the past we’ve done 75-80 search warrants in a year, I think we are up to 110-120 [this year].”

The Humboldt County Marijuana Enforcement Team (MET) is working all year [now], because of all the indoor grows since legalization, Honsal explained. He added, “There are about 3,000-5,000 illegal farms left in the county today, of the estimated 10,000-20,000 pre-legalization, and said, ”There’s about 1,000 permitted grows and a good percentage, maybe 25-30% … are not growing anymore.”

Sheriff Honsal explained one of his primary motivations with marijuana enforcement is to protect sensitive watersheds and enforcement may be heavier in those areas. Honsal explained, “As far as targeting goes, there are some protected watersheds …where we see reduced water flows… Salmon Creek is one … Redwood Creek… the Van Duzen….it has been running dry in August… and the upper Van Duzen is right in marijuana country.”

(Photo of part of Schnur’s permitted farm)

Photo from the California State Waterboard’s document on Stephen Schnur’s farm.

However Dr. Talleyrand wonders about enforcement priorities and if legalization did not worsen environmental matters. Dr Talleyrand pondered, “Cannabis is legal…I suspect this is a money game somewhere. This is not about protecting the environment.The laws are worsening the environment, they are creating more busts and detentions, and it is arguably more dangerous.”

The DEA reported that in 2021 busts are on the rise, more plants have been seized than in years past, and more people are being incarcerated for cannabis today than in recent years.

Last year Schnur received a letter of intent to revoke his permit. The Code Enforcement Manager eventually agreed to not revoke it, but he wouldn’t be allowed to operate until he paid $15,720 in full. He was unable to do so and instead entered into a payment arrangement for $600 a month, the very lowest Code Enforcement would go.

The County’s permit revocation raised a flag with the State, and consequently this month, Schnur received a letter saying, “based on the non-compliance response received from the local jurisdiction…[you] will be denied a state cannabis cultivation license.”

Director Ford has until August 7 to resolve this letter from the state on behalf of Mr. Schnur. Ford assured this reporter he would do so, saying, “I want this corrected.”

Schnur said his main concern is the toll this has taken on his young son, who was doing really well in sports and school but, as a result of having to leave his community and friends he grew up with, he is now struggling with depression.

Schnur noted that medical marijuana patients dealing with confusing laws are another of the many victims of the drug war, saying “We were the pioneers, we endured so much, and now they’re just going to take it away from us…We’re missing opportunities sitting here waiting on the county for years, while Phillip Morris walks in. All while the victims of the war on drugs are still being treated like criminals.”

In our interview, Director Ford assured the community he is listening to their concerns and planned to do annual staff evaluations moving forward in order to improve his department’s consistency, effectiveness, to reduce mistakes and to be more accommodating to the public.

Ford said,

Sometimes we make mistakes, there’s no doubt about that, but we try to minimize those…if we are to be successful at all as a county we are going to recognize that we are a part of a community . A part of living in a community is recognizing that none of us are perfect. We need to continue to communicate about things that happen…if we can communicate, change and understand it, then perhaps we can create a different dynamic between government, the Planning and Building Dept., and those who live, breathe, work, play, hurt, cry, and laugh in the community… That’s one of the things I have struggled with the entire time I’ve been here. How do we go from a place where there is an inherent distrust of government as an entity, to being transparent and vulnerable enough to show the people operating the government are not these evil ogres that have bad intent? While I think there has been some successes to that end, I know that there is still a long way to go.

Before publishing, Director Ford agreed to meet with Mr. Schnur and his Counsel this coming Monday. We will let you know how that goes with an update here, so stay tuned to the RHBB for more.

In the end, although almost everyone agrees medical cannabis does exist, Attorney Eugene Denson, Dr. Tallyrand, and Code Enforcement Manager Karen Meynell’s idea that patients can have six plants in addition to 400/200/100 sq. ft. for medical, if not more depending on their doctor’s recommendation, has not been argued in a court of law. There still is no codified answer to medical cannabis, and that may mean qualified patients are at risk if they grow beyond 100/200/400 sq ft depending on their parcel size.

UPDATE 8/6/22: An amicable conclusion has been reached in Stephan Schnur’s abatement case, featured here last month.

After two days of negotiations between Planning and Building Department Director John Ford and Stephan Schnur’s counsel, attorney Eugene Denson, a $6,000 settlement was deemed appropriate, less what Schnur paid already in payments of $1200. The $4,800 remaining replaces the initial $15,730 penalty proposed by Code Enforcement for Schnur’s medical and permitted garden, raided on a warrant for the wrong parcel, and later abated. The subsequent holds that were placed on his county permit, state license, and all projects related to his property have now been lifted. Schnur will be able to cultivate next year for the very first time since he applied for his cultivation permit in 2019.

Stephan Schnur called the Planning Dept. to pay the balance Friday, though he was sent to voicemail. He said,” I plan to pay the $4800 immediately when the county returns my call.”

This article is not legal advice, please consult an attorney regarding your specific circumstances. 

This reporter is a freelancer who sometimes works for the Law Offices of Eugene Denson.

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Prometheus
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Prometheus
1 year ago

Confusion and chaos is always the result of government intervention.

Corporate Serfdom
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Corporate Serfdom
1 year ago
Reply to  Prometheus

Why do free humans need permission to grow a plant?
There is no just answer in a corporate commercial world.
Free yourself from mental slavery

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
1 year ago

Xi didn’t need permission to “farm”

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Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
1 year ago
Reply to  Prometheus

Some of my neighbors have announced that they are selling their home in CA, and moving to “A Red State”…

It’s somewhat amusing to read a long item, but I think the point is that disabled persons intolerant of “medicine” should be able to grow all the marijuana they want, since we passed the “I’m Special” codicil to the general Marijuana Laws…

There are so many aspects of “Marijuana Regulation” that are dysfunctional or not generally understood, and so many issues relating to enforcement, that the costs to the state far outweigh the income from taxation…

If you live in a remote area, and someone either complains about you, or just plain reports you, and the Sheriff stops by and rips out your garden of illegal plants, you probably should move, which is what the complainant did, here, eventually…

Lots of “Previously Raided” pot farms are for sale, and I advise staying off the grid, small, and generally unregistered with the government, or, go huge and legal…

I am sure that there are still large buildings all over CA, where excellent weed is being grown under lights with absolutely no compliance, on sterile stainless steel tables and with the highest tech…

If you grow for yourself or your friends, be cognizant that nothing much has changed, except that you can now buy liquor at a liquor store, and marijuana, at a Marijuana Store…

Until you can get products, over the internet, and pay with PayPal and have it shipped to you, Marijuana is not legal.

Grow six plants. Good luck.

R-dog
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R-dog
1 year ago
Reply to  Prometheus

I don’t think you have to be a rock scientist to figure it out I mean are growing for yourself or other patents also I say in the case of growing for other people seems like you would have to have some kind of permit and if you’re just growing for yourself 25 plants puts out a lot of medicine

Ambergris
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Ambergris
1 year ago

Same energy:

1) Average HumCo resident: ‘I’m sure the Sheriff deputies don’t actually destroy all the weed or report all the seized cash, but instead steal it to enrich themselves.’

2) ‘When Schnur showed deputies his updated 215, Schnur said the deputy stated, “I think medical cannabis cards are mostly, in Humboldt a sham, they are just a way for someone to make money. I’m sure you don’t smoke an entire greenhouse full of weed.”’

Could the inability to recognize traits of honesty, integrity and forthrightness in individuals among the general public have something to do with the perceived lack of those same qualities amongst the deputies themselves? Is rampant corruption among law enforcement the reason why many citizens perceive duplicity, mendacity and/or capriciousness in how officers comport their lawful duties?

Martin
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Martin
1 year ago
Reply to  Ambergris

HCSO deputies are honest and do not steal weed or cash to enrich themselves. Your comment is way off base. Please get the facts about deputies before hanging them.

Get Real
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Get Real
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin

They just blow off little girls fingers with illegal fireworks, Sneak drugs into the jail, Kill a girlfriend falling off the back of a motorcycle, Pepper spray applied by q tip in protestors eyes, Just to name a few of those honest deputies …….

Good lbs are still worth $1200.00
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Good lbs are still worth $1200.00
1 year ago
Reply to  Get Real

Let’s not forget threatening landowners with “serious consequences” if they do not allow one of their cabal to continue stealing water from a spring on private property. I have all the text messages from the MET cop and the Fish and Wildlife Officer demanding I leave said illegal diversion alone. My LSA included a BRA in which it is stated the unnamed spring would be monitored or illegal diversions. MET cops are corrupt. Hey Met cop, say hi to your mom for me.

Humboldt Hillsman
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Humboldt Hillsman
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin

That’s absolutely untrue, they do steal and I have witnessed it first hand. I personally was raided and the cops stole $12,000 from my property. They never reported as evidence and it just disappeared.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
1 year ago

Great article Nichole!!! Sorry to hear about the confusion “legalization” has caused, but I don’t think HCSO or Planning Dept actually cares. They have always complained about medical 215 gardens and they have no interest in finding a place for it. They much prefer the good and evil of permitted and non-permitted.

Nichole Norris
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Nichole Norris
1 year ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Thank you so much hayforker!!! did you catch Ed desons the rights organization show tonight with dr tallyrand 7-8pm kmud.org

Hayforker
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Hayforker
1 year ago
Reply to  Nichole Norris

Nah, just missed it. Haha too many things to do this time of year. Thanks for all your work.

JustWannaGrow
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JustWannaGrow
1 year ago

I’m even more confused by this article. Can I grow more then six in larger space then 400sq ft?

Nichole Norris
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Nichole Norris
1 year ago
Reply to  JustWannaGrow

Ha! Yeah that’s sort of the point. I cannot give legal advice but attorney eugene denson gives a thorough analysis that I linked in the article. Both Ford and honsal agree on the no plant limit, 400/200/100 depending on parcel size with a 215. The six plant in addition to medical is still up for debate and if your doctor prescribes you 100 lbs you might win a case against the county if you have issues with enforcement, as a result of the Patrick k Kelly decision.

crap
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crap
1 year ago

215 law is the most screwed up law there is. First of all when you get a prescription from a MD, legit one, it says how much how often etc. 215 just say smoke dope. yea most 215 users are BS and the legit ones get a bad name

Here is an idea. Legalize the crap. Let people have fields of it like corn. Bottom out the price and if someone wants to get high let them as long as they pay for it not my tax dollars. I have no desire for the stuff but hey you live your life let me live mine.

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willow creeker
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1 year ago

Seems like there should be a much easier and less expensive license to grow medical marijuana, that seems like the logical answer. It’s been what, 26 years since it was legalized?
It’s been extremely unclear since the beginning, about what is legal, and the limits have always been pushed. I remember Dr Todd Mikiyura who would come through town and write as many prescriptions for as many people as could come up with $100. He stamped my prescription after a 5 minute talk, and said “here you go, you aren’t a criminal anymore. “
I think, after reading this article, the blame lies with state legislators who should have cleared this up and made it clear for law enforcement and growers, what is legal and what isn’t. A simple, low cost licensing program.

old guy
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old guy
1 year ago
Reply to  willow creeker

26 years? maybe since personal use decriminalization, but not legalization. just sayin’

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Nichole Norris
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Nichole Norris
1 year ago
Reply to  old guy

Medical cannabis laws , prop 215, Has been in effect since 1996, 26 years.

Vet
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Vet
1 year ago
Reply to  willow creeker

I have had a medical card since 1996. My first recommendation was from Dr. Mikiyura. When the county had a simple procedure I even got a county card.
For 26 years I have lived with varying degrees of fear whaile growing my medicine. I just wish there was a way to leave people alone to grow their medicine and at the same time people would stop ruining things by stealing water and littering and polluting the land just to make money.

Gavin'sComb
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Gavin'sComb
1 year ago

When you partner up with the bureaucracy, you’ve made a pact with the devil.

AkbarD
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1 year ago

Be honest, medical was a big smoke screen – everyone I knew using 215 pretext were just looking for legal cover. The term “medicine” to describe pot has become a cynical laugh in the weed world. If you are one of the few who need it and truly are looking to grown your own medicine, 6 plants is generous. This article is disingenuous and whiny.

Wanda
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Wanda
1 year ago
Reply to  Akbar

The fact you think 6 plants is enough to cover a medical patients needs for a whole year is laughable. Honestly, your comment comes off disingenuous and rude.

Gavin'sComb
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Gavin'sComb
1 year ago
Reply to  Wanda

Oh please, what BS. I got 16lbs off 6 plants. They’re not “medical patients” they’re dope heads, as am I.

Georgiagrownbutitainthome
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Georgiagrownbutitainthome
1 year ago
Reply to  Akbar

You need more than 6 gallons of gas? Tough.

Wanda
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Wanda
1 year ago
Reply to  Akbar

The fact that you think 6 plants is enough for a medical patient for a whole year is crazy. Your comment comes across as disingenuous and rude.

Sanyassin
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Sanyassin
1 year ago
Reply to  Wanda

How big are said plants?

Lou Monadi
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Lou Monadi
1 year ago
Reply to  Akbar

County calls it medicine, but that’s ok since they make money off of it.

From the county website:
https://humboldtgov.org/2159/Commercial-Medical-Marijuana-Permitting

“The Commercial Medical Marijuana Land Use Ordinance was adopted by the Board of Supervisors became effective Friday, February 26, 2016.”

Flat Stomper
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Flat Stomper
1 year ago
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One of the “few” who “need” it?

All humans need to be using this plant and others as food, textiles and medicine whether they know it or not.
It never stopped being medicine just because of the abuse of its consumption and the unjust laws that pertain to plant medicine as a whole. If someone consumes medicine and doesnt know its medicine is it still medicine?

6 plants is generous?
How in the world does one arrive at the conclusion that 6 plants is generous?
Statist Indoctrination and interventionist policies.. that’s how.

Mariahgirl
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Mariahgirl
1 year ago

Didn’t trust ford before he was moving to Fort Bragg and don’t trust him now. He only cares about himself. Too bad we lost our chance to get rid of him! The bit about deputies raiding the wrong parcels, sounds about right for Humboldt county.

Ignorance is not bliss
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Ignorance is not bliss
1 year ago

When the 400sf rule was brought before the BOS, John Ford gave false information to our representatives claiming that only 6 plants can be grown per parcel which was adamantly false. He has known that prop 215 is alive and well post prop 64, but intentionally mislead our county into believing that our medical rights have been superseded. John Ford lies when it suits him and his agenda best. He should be under the oath of God everytime he steps into the BOS chambers, then maybe he would tell the truth. Properties over 5 acres should be entitled(with no license) for up to 1200sf for a Medical 215 Garden to account for the FACT that under prop 64 and prop 215 you can still designate a Caregiver to grow your cannabis for you. Caregivers can grow for upto 5 patients, plus themselves. At 200sf per script, which is modest for one years worth of medicine, that would equate to 1200sf total. Rational regulations are not in the govt wheelhouse unfortunately. Only irrational regulation that benefit few special interest at the cost of the masses. Fuck the govt.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
1 year ago

I recall a whitepaper produced by the governor’s office around 2019 that contained similar if not identical sq ft and caregiver numbers when it analyzed prop 215 with 64. The 1200 sq ft max sounds correct.

Ignorance is not bliss
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Ignorance is not bliss
1 year ago
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Gavin’s Blue Ribbon Commission was a bunch of political malarkey to further his agenda to capitalize on our legacy. GAVIN LIED AND OUR LEGACY DIED. Corporate take over was imminent once 64 passed.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
1 year ago

Ok, I’ll look that up. Yeah, Gavin sucks and no one will look out for you besides yourself. Id never trust Gavin or anyone running for office at that level.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
1 year ago

How big can my federally legal field of personal use hemp be?

Ignorance is not bliss
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Ignorance is not bliss
1 year ago

Zero HEMP in Humboldt Co. The disillusioned HCGA(Humboldt County Grower Alliance) thought it would be a good idea to advocate to implement a moratorium on all Hemp production in HumCo. and the BOS and Planning Dept felt the same. Now that the Cannabis Market is insolvent, I wonder if the County will realize their missteps in abolishing all opportunity to capitalize on the utilitarian Hemp Plant. Probably not, since our govt has their heads stuffed up their self interested asses.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
1 year ago

Pretty sure that refers to commercial hemp cultivation. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe the county can stop me from growing a small patch of hemp (cannabis plants that never produce a product that exceeds 0.3% thc) for seed to eat or fiber to make myself some cloth.

Lou Monadi
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Lou Monadi
1 year ago

I think you are right, code enforcement allows you to grow six hemp plants in the 400 sq ft without a permit. Brandon Howton told me that

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  Lou Monadi

I’m real confused about how the county could possibly think that industrial hemp would fall under their recreational cannabis regulations.

But as this article makes abundantly clear, it doesn’t seem that many folks in the government actually understand their own regulations

trout fisher
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trout fisher
1 year ago

Great article! Ford and the cannabis arm of the planning dept, are out of control, creating complete chaos.

Country Joe
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1 year ago
Reply to  trout fisher

Allowing Ford to return was a huge mistake…

HUMBOLDT HIGHLIGHTS
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HUMBOLDT HIGHLIGHTS
1 year ago

BRILLIANT article Nikki Norris, just BRILLIANT!!! So much confusion and controversy destroying lives!!! Medical use and needs are real!!! 215 (personal medical use) and 420 (collective and caretaker medical use) have NEVER been respected properly!!! I really don’t understand how NOW with proposition 64 (recreational use) medical use is even less respected!!! If you have lived in rural Humboldt County or anywhere in rural Emerald Triangle you most likely have PTSD and NEED medical cannabis just to live “in peace”… from helicopters, raids, neighbors, mafia, custody battles, CPS… murder, ripoffs, car theft, vandalism… police, sheriffs, building code enforcement unit… raping pillaging… bears, mountain lions, rattle snakes, rats… polluted rivers, poisoned roadsides, chem trails, poor wages, crumbling society… oh did I mention cancer, epilepsy, migraines, anxiety… folks NEED medical and recreational cannabis more than ever!!! The more the county f*** with them the more they are going to NEED for personal use… my understanding is there was court rulings that set precedence years ago for medical “needs”… the a medical user on average smokes and “needs” 3 lb per year, if they are an edible user they “need” 12 lb per year… no rulings, as far as I know, pertaining to a topical user and or a raw foods juicing user (the most healthy and medical was to consume)… raw juicing requires A LOT of leaves and buds!!! From my understanding, legally speaking, medical use is determined on an individual basis, ailments, strains, preparation and form of ingestion… stress related illnesses are now considered the number one killer in America… so the longer the war on drugs, specifically cannabis, continues… the MORE personal use cannabis will need to be grown and consumed… so the more somebody HAS to speak with law-enforcement and building code agencies I propose their rights to grow cannabis should legally double in amounts and square footage depending on determining factors, every single interaction!!! Jail time triples… code enforcement fines and penalties quadruple your “legal” crop size and amounts allowed… and so on… every helicopter or drone that crosses over your property boundary and is less than 200 ft in elevation, ten times… if a legal crop is cut down illegally ,100 times the size and a bonuses year guaranteed with NO contact in a “safety zone”!!! May sound outrageous to some… but hey the other-side of the coin growers have dealt with YEARS of outrageous BS!!! Now they gotta watch corporate cannabis dominate the industry and farm lands as far as the eyes can see grown with their genetics… grown with substandard chemical farming practices… filling dispensary shelves… and they can’t even grow some head stash, let alone production for market on a sustainable organic subsistence level…

Legallettuce
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1 year ago

They call it a war on drugs for a reason!! Government vs. People and shit been goin on for 5 decades. Be happy you get to grow.

Lou Monadi
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Lou Monadi
1 year ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Page 1 of the Bible, God gave us the “herbs”, for which to be used for food. Many of us never considered the plant to be a drug. I would put it in the same category as caffeine or tea. It became classified as a drug back when they wanted to get rid of the Mexican workers who were stealing jobs from Americans. My family in the old country used to grow hemp for all of their needs, because it grew fast and easy. Everything from clothing to paper to rope. The fenders for the first fords were made from hemp. Hemp could replace plastic, and it’s biodegradability could reduce micro plastic pollution. To place cannabis in the same category as meth and fentanyl is absolutely absurd. Even Alcohol is more dangerous IMO

thetallone
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thetallone
1 year ago
Reply to  Lou Monadi

And why is it Category One? Because one thing pot does is make you start questioning things. Not something an authoritarian system appreciates. Better to have a beer and get stupid.

joe green
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joe green
1 year ago

I wish everyone would force a joint lawsuit against Humboldt County to end this madness. I have cancer, and I have my 215 posted, but I always worry about someone with the county deciding to teach me a lesson on their version of the law. I have a big vegetable garden (trying to eat heathy), and I even worry about that. I don’t want to piss anyone off, yet the “laws” in Humboldt have been left up to any enforcement agency’s own interpretation. When you have laws that each agency can’t even agree on the interpretation, how scary do you think an old man with cancer must feel. Sad part is, when they enforce their version of the law, you get treated like a criminal no matter how sick you are. Not making the law clear with doctors, attorneys, patients, and all enforcement agencies should be against the the law. If you’re going to enforce laws, let everyone in on the same rules to that law.

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
1 year ago
Reply to  joe green

Get ahold of ED. Maybe he’ll go for it. I’m sure there is 100 of us that could chip a grand for a CA suit. Maybe 2 or 300!

Nichole Norris
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Nichole Norris
1 year ago
Reply to  joe green

Thank you so much for your comment! Can you email me please Joe? [email protected] I would love to hear your story and I might have a way to help with the cancer as well.

Grow a brain
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Grow a brain
1 year ago

I think it’s a great idea to pool together to pay for a lawsuit!!! You’ll definitely get 2 or 3 hundred from me.we could throw a benefit to have a meeting spot to officially hire ed.
Free men shouldn’t have to pay for permission!!!
Slavery is alive and well

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