Red, Yellow, Green: Mendocino County Orders Local Restaurants to Display Sign That Communicates COVID Risk in the Establishment as Four More COVID-19 Deaths Announced
Red, Yellow, and Green COVID Risk signage that the County of Mendocino asks restaurants to display.
Mendocino County Public Health announced yesterday evening that four more County residents have died of the COVID-19 virus. As the number of community deaths mounts, Public Health Officer Dr. Andy Coren is implementing a new health order requiring local restaurants to display signage to the public that indicates the level of risk the establishment represents based on its employee vaccination requirement and the whether vaccinated customers could eat inside or out.
The four recently announced deaths make Mendocino County’s total lives lost to the virus 75. The 72nd death was a 66-year-old Gualala woman who passed away on September 12 while traveling in Riverside County who was reportedly fully vaccinated with “multiple comorbidities.” The 73rd death was an unvaccinated 79-year-old Ukiah man who passed away on September 17. The 74th resident to die from the virus was an 85-year-old woman who was reportedly fully vaccinated with multiple comorbidities who passed on September 17. The county’s 75th resident to pass away from the virus was a 98-year-old fully vaccinated Ukiah woman who passed away on September 20.
Dr. Coren said these deaths are occurring amidst a surge he associated with the Labor Day holiday. Regarding the vaccinated status of three of the four deaths, Dr. Coren said, “They were elderly with many comorbidities. Overall, however, vaccines are proven effective.”
Regarding the new Public Health Order Dr. Andy Coren has implemented, all businesses that serve food or drink indoors will be required to have one of three signs designed to represent the risks associated with that business’s precautions they are taking to limit the spread of the virus.
In a press release published by Public Health, the three signs and the criteria to qualify for each were described below:
- If employees are either vaccinated or test weekly AND patrons must be vaccinated to dine inside, that business will display a green sign.
- If employees are either vaccinated or test weekly but patrons do not need to be vaccinated to dine inside, that business will display a yellow sign.
- If the business has no knowledge of whether employees are vaccinated or if they test AND if patrons do not need to be vaccinated to dine inside, that business will display a red sign.
The press release asserts COVID-19 risk is heightened within enclosed spaces and an “even greater risk when not masked” so this colored system will “help consumers make smart choices about which restaurants and businesses are following best practices when it comes to slowing the spread of COVID-19.”
Mendocino County is not the first California county to adopt notices such as these. The press release goes so far as to say that counties such as Marin, Long Beach, Tulare, and Contra Costa counties passed “stricter regulations than Mendocino.” Within the press release, Dr. Coren is quoted as saying, “Our community members deserve to be free to choose what’s safe enough for them. This is only possible with transparency—which these signs accomplish.”
The order specifies that staff and customers within an establishment are required to keep their masks on except when eating and drinking. This order goes into effect on November 1, 2021. If businesses do not post these signs, “law enforcement could impose fines for non-compliance.”
Dr. Coren states in the press release that non-food establishments have reached out to Public Health hoping to display one of these signs because “they are proud of their anti-covid practices and are posting a green sign!”
Stephanie Dunken, one of the owners of inland Mendocino’s Slam Dunk Pizza, said, “I feel that this lays things out for businesses to operate inside their comfort zone with the public, all while the consumer can make a decision to dine in or not.”
John Strangio, one of the owners of Ukiah Valley Athletic Club, said this public health order “gives people the information they need to make the comfortable choice for their families.” He added the order shows, “Dr. Coren is being a real person trying to keep our community safe from COVID, at the same time listening to businesses and their struggles!”
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Only 75 deaths? I’ve said it before here, Mendocino covid mortality rate is exceptional. Especially when compared to the rest of the country. Might have something to do with the low bmi, or the outdoorsy culture.
Or low population density, and high proportion of left leaning people.
Maybe it has to do with clean air, a healthy natural ecosystem and people who are aware and more health conscious than many other localities
Couldn’t be the precautions that are adhered to? Just maybe it’s because we got on the bandwagon early.
https://youtu.be/052iTp04DRY
When hippies had balls.
Wow you showed everyone! An extremely stupid dred head, so glad i wasted my time watching a 15 second febreeze ad
Anti-vaxxers are always talking about freedom of choice. Well here you go. You can choose what restaurant or business you choose to go into. Its the American way right? And I don’t see any business or restaurant owner complaining. So why should you?
reminds me of a cartoon I saw recently: naked guy with a cig trying to get on an international flight and complaining about his freedoms.
NEW YORK—Admitting that she experiences a small jolt of terror even after all these months, wife of NYPD officer Mark Cady, told reporters Tuesday that she still dreads someday getting a phone call that her husband has been vaccinated. “Obviously, Mark has promised me that he’ll take every precaution to prevent against something like this when he’s out there, but still, whenever the phone rings I can’t help but brace myself to hear a Walgreens recording informing me that his first inoculation has been implemented and he will receive a reminder in two weeks about his second shot 9/14/21 theonion.com
Love it.
you cant be “anti vaxxer” about the covid shots. They aren’t vaccines.
They might be complaining about nobody comes to their business anymore
Are you honking seriously now?
The lack of pushback is astonishing. Fucking cowards. All of you.
The businesses are self-selecting for who stays open. The service and cuisine in the green-signed cafes will by necessity be well above par. It’s their only hope.
Just curious. Raise your hand if you actually live in Mendo. Eat, shop there.
I can dig where you’re coming from there, foxy, but, first you, then the adjacent counties, then the state, country….
Hands up
I used to eat and shop there.
But, only because there was a clean shitter, without too much of a wait.
Long time ago.
I agree, the unboxing should not be allowed to eat in or work in restaurants at all. We need to do something about this.
Good system.
Mendocino County Businesses:
This is to notify you that I won’t be coming to Mendocino County to work, to do business of any kind, and, especially, not to visit a restaurant. Ever again.
My money stays in some other county, until Mendocino County gets its shit together…
County full of crazies, run by stupid and unqualified folks who haven’t got a clue, what to do…
Signs in windows won’t stop COVID, but getting vaccinated might.
We in Mendocino are very glad to see your money go elsewhere. Please stay away and do not go back on your words!
My pleasure… I will shop in Sutter County, Sonoma County, hell, even Lake County, instead…
Mendocino County is my definition of a “toxic environment”, and I want to thank you for being a good example of why…
Now if we could get rid of the tourists…
The vaccine doesn’t work!
95% of those dying of COVID are unvaccinated…Looks like it ups your odds to me.
I hope your right Kym, but in this report it clearly states that only 1 of 4,(25%), of the Covid19 deaths mentioned, were actually unvaccinated deaths.
Did you miss that?
What are the odds of that?
That would be a 75% (3 in 4), chance of dying of Covid19 vaccinated, in the most recent data set. 15 times what you are claiming. 15 actual times.
And the vaccinated deaths are 3 times higher that the unvaccinated deaths.
I think it is important to use relatively recent data sets, and not use cumulative reports from the beginning of the outbreak, as the are not truly representative of reality, when comparative vaxxed versus unvaxxed deaths include periods of time even before vaccine rollout or 50% full vaccination status.
Maybe like, use the information that is just from the previous month?
Not looking so much like it ups your odds to me, as it maybe used to.
Now the FDA is beginning to talk about possible behavioral changes, and the fact that it cannot possibly be being properly studied with such a small trial group.
Where have we heard about that
being suggested before?
That’s not how math works. Odds are that if you throw a penny in the air, 50% of the time it will land on heads, and 50% of the time it will land on tails. But if you throw it a thousand times there’s a pretty dang good chance that you will get a quite of few of either heads or tails in a row. https://www.khanacademy.org/math/statistics-probability/counting-permutations-and-combinations/combinatorics-probability/v/exactly-three-heads-in-five-flips. If you take a small sample size, you have less chance of getting the odds correct.
That kind of is how math works.
We aren’t flipping pennies.
Efficacy flipping pennies doesn’t wane.
And there isn’t a 1% chance of flipping heads in the beginning of flipping it 1000 times, that moves towards 50% only at the he 500th flip. And you don’t get to start with a bunch of head flips in a row before you even begin.
We only reached 50% vaxxed status around 7/28, and adding a lag the would be appropriate.
Do you really think it is, “how math works”, to include deaths that occurred before the rollout, or before the first were even fully vaxxed? I don’t.
Do you really think it is how math works to add those deaths and then compare vaxxed to unvaxxed deaths for the period of time the fully vaccinated rate went from 0% to 50%?, which took 8 months with lag time and considering that we have been beyond 50% fully vaxxed plus lag time for about 4 weeks? I don’t.
I figure we can semi reasonably compare before and after a midpoint of about August 25th, which happened to be the first disclosed breakthrough death in Humboldt.
We are 4 weeks beyond that. We can go back 8 weeks, then and reasonably compare vaccinated deaths o unvaccinated deaths during that time frame.
It’s not perfect, but it’s reasonable. It’s the only numbers we have to work with, that we can verify.
Spare me the penny flip analogy, it’s a false equivalent.
We don’t know when the additional 6 breakthrough deaths occurred in Humboldt.
We just know that there are currently 7.
We also know that 13 Covid19 deaths,(2 headed penny), occurred before rollout, and allowing five weeks from first shot to being fully vaccinated, add 11 more for a total of 24 Covid19 deaths prior to anyone being fully vaxxed.
And what are we up to now, 89?
So if you want to start at 0% vaxxed for a comparison which is totally unreasonable, it’s still 7 of 65 fully vaxxed breakthrough deaths. And even that is 10.8%
Breakthrough deaths compared to unvaxxed deaths.
(89.2%)
Remember, that’s starting at 0% vaxxed. A totally unreasonable comparison in favor of the vaccinated, and still, the unvaccinated deaths are much less than you, and many others claim.
Of course, Ms Kemp will not be held liable for pushing the infusion that has killed more people than all other vaccines combined.
Frankly, if you are looking for a lifetime of reliance on big pharmaceutical, I think blind faith will weaken your immune system and that of your children.
Vaccines for the most vulnerable, therapeutics and antivirals for the rest.
SHOW ME THE current “HOSPITALS DIRECTIVES FOR REPORTING TO VAERS, and I’ll show you the gaping loophole.
Loopholes are how these people operate.
For Christ’s sake, in what world do you think it makes sense for anonymous commenter to spew accusations and someone serious is supposed to believe them over respected, educated, experienced virologists and epidemiologists?
That you think you have information that is of value is fine. That you try to influence people to believe as you do…also fine. But acting incredulous that someone would choose to believe multiple credentialed, experienced, authorities on a subject rather than some person with nothing but a fake name…is either disingenuous or astoundingly self-important.
Look, authorities can be wrong. It does happen. But you don’t persuade the world to come around to your completely out of the main stream idea by being an anonymous person with no credentials or obvious education that won’t even take responsibility for what you are saying by putting your name on it. And if you really can’t put your name on it for some big reason, then you should be showing numbers, facts, authorities that back you up…not just sneering and threatening people who believe educated authorities on the subject.
It’s as if you are threatening me with being held liable for listening to a cardiac specialist about my heart pain instead of to you–when you have nothing, absolutely nothing to back you up but your blind belief that you know better than other people. The hubris is absolutely over the top.
ZERO LIABILITY IS ZERO LIABILITY
Wouldn’t it be nice to not have to buy insurance for our cars, homes, businesses, that we all could be immune from liability.
Some people are completely oblivious to why we champion the billionaire class at our own expense.
This regime has lost its respect and its authority to govern. If it isn’t clear malfeasance, it’s that voting is no longer a means to keep elected officials in check.
It won’t be I told you so,…. but if you honestly have faith in the shitshow that is this poor old man being paraded around as a competent leader of one of the most important nations in history.
You don’t have to be educated to see the bullshit that passes for manufactured consent. Look how many millionaires the triangle produced over the last 30 to 40 years, and they did that amidst a War on the people. That’s THE GOVERNMENT YOU ARE SUPPORTING, the one that has now granted exemptions in the guise of PERMITTING.
There’s obviously a whole nother level of consciousness about how we have been endlessly duped into giving away our freedoms and Liberties, and you just can’t seem to see that, can you?
Ask ANYONE you know that might have a close friend or family member who has worked with any intelligence outfit, they may or may not share the tricks of the trade, but since Obama passed the NDAA, when he left office, it gave the government permission to LIE, and engage in propaganda.
HAVE YOU FELT THE NEED TO READ THOSE SECTIONS?
INFUSION for the most vulnerable, and antivirals and therapeutics for the rest.
You might be okay with a reduced immune system, but the rest of us do not have to agree to hurt ourselves for a company that has ZERO LIABILITY.
Blanket Shots is like carpet bombing, will invariably lead to unintended consequences that will leave only the injured alone with their choices.
Zero Liability does not create healthy checks and balances.
There’s no political capital for this administration, they are deep sixing this economy.
“Don’t forget to clean your plate, there are starving children in America “
Ah. The mainstream idea. Wasn’t the main stream idea the ones that said 2 weeks to slow the spread? Wasn’t the mainstream the ones who said masks don’t work, but now they do, but maybe not, but yeah they do? Wasn’t the mainstream the ones who said if you take the jab, everything will go back to normal? Didn’t Fauci just falsely claim that Covid has killed more children than the flu does? Even though it has killed less than 500 kids under 17 in 20 months and the flu regularly tops 800-1000 deaths for children under 17 in 12 months? Isn’t the mainstream the ones who don’t want to let kids go back to school? Isn’t the mainstream the ones who are still claiming that this virus didn’t come from a lab? Didn’t the mainstream tell you that these shots are 95% effective at preventing COVID-19 infections?
Sounds like the mainstream are a bunch of f’ing liars who have not just shot their credibility in the foot, they took a 12 gauge to the leg of their credibility.
Wow. Escalate much? Not how VAERS works. Reactions have a huge variance. Small rash, feel icky, up to deaths. Any reaction can be reported/tracked in VAERS that is the purpose. Not to use it as an anti vaxx tool.
FYI passing 1919 Pandemic US death numbers now.
Not unvaccinated just hasnt been a full 14 days since their second shot . You are not considered vaxxed until a fully 14 days after receiving your second shot , supposedly they are bot releasing counts in the death counts of those they consider partially vaxxed meaning one or more shots but not having been a full 14 days since last shot
So…how many people do you think fit in the only partially vaccinated group? Over half of the US is fully vaccinated. A good portion aren’t vaccinated at all especially if you include under 12 which are not yet eligible. What small percentage of the US do you think has part of their vaccines. And of those that only have one vaccine, how many got sick? And of those that got sick…how many died? I can’t find the numbers in a quick search but they don’t seem likely to be a very large percentage do they? How much would you estimate even if you counted every person even someone who just got the vaccine that day and then was tested with COVID and eventually died…how many of those do you really think there are? And does it really…effectively change the numbers of those who die being overwhelming unvaccinated? Let’s say it drops the numbers another 5%…that seems unlikely but…do the math, even if it were to skew the numbers that much, aren’t the odds still overwhelmingly better of not dying if you have been vaccinated?
Not much.
Answer to your first question, not your last question.
Not lately in Mendocino.
(Answer to your last question.)
Well in april when your numbers started many were only at one shot there is a 10 day window between so some had one shot and some had 2 but the full 14 days after the second shot werent up and they died they are counted as unvaxxed
3 of the 4 latest Covid deaths in Mendo were fully vaccinated. Official press release: https://www.mendocinocounty.org/home/showpublisheddocument/45823/637677620260085292
Yes…we reported that in the article you are commenting on…
About 8% of Humboldt COVID-19 deaths occurred post-vaccination or “breakthrough” illness
https://krcrtv.com/north-coast-news/eureka-local-news/about-8-of-humboldt-covid-19-deaths-occurred-post-vaccination-or-breakthrough-illness
Officials also said 34 people (about 9%) have been hospitalized due to post-vaccine illness out of 368 total hospitalizations.
more theatre, decreed by “health order”
Fuck you Dr. Coren!
“The supposed Delta Variant is the vaccine injured.” ICU nurse recently stated. Yep. 40% of all nurses have not got the shot. Hmm, wonder why that is. Could they know something the common man pushers do not. I would venture to say, definitely, and I would win that bet. Kinda like telling a forester they have no idea about forest management and fuels reduction by using mechanical forms of manipulation. Instead they just need to listen to a certain “science” and never cut a tree or remove brush again as momma earth will take care of itself. You can all see how that worked out, black sticks on hillsides, no Forest at all. Thanks for the advice, I’ll take a rain check and please get back to me when you need a home rebuild loan because your insurance cancelled your ass right before that fire incinerated your forest, house, and everything you own. We have great rates, just sign on the dotted line…For the shot, it may or may not end up costing you more than that. Good luck.
YOu are incorrect when you say, “40% of all nurses have not got the shot.”
“About 88 percent of surveyed U.S. nurses are vaccinated against COVID-19, or plan to be vaccinated, according to survey findings from the American Nurses Association published Aug. 18.” https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/nursing/most-nurses-vaccinated-support-mandates-8-ana-survey-findings.html#:~:text=About%2088%20percent%20of%20surveyed,July%206%2D30%2C%202021.
And over 95% of all physicians are vaccinated.
But I would agree with you…That you should pay attention to what the majority of educated and well trained health care workers are choosing when it comes to the vaccine.
“C’Mon get real”, is maybe off by overestimating 3.33 times, but it’s not like he’s off by underestimating 15 times. Go figure.
And, how does, “or plan to be vaccinated”, factor in?
That means some of them might not be vaccinated yet, right?
And we really don’t know how many that might mean, right?
Just a couple of thoughts…
Maybe they “plan to be vaccinated” when pigs fly.
Seriously, is there even a single person left who plans to be vaccinated but just hasn’t yet been able to actually get vaccinated?
A registered nurse in Idaho has died of COVID-19 after allowing misinformation to trump her science-bested medical education, her brother says. Speaking to CNN on Monday, September 20, Daryl Rise detailed the discussions he had with his sister, Natalie Rise, before her death.
He said she adamantly opposed the COVID-19 vaccine.
A registered nurse in Idaho has died of COVID-19 after allowing misinformation to trump her science-bested medical education, her brother says. Speaking to CNN on Monday, September 20, Daryl Rise detailed the discussions he had with his sister, Natalie Rise, before her death.
He said she adamantly opposed the COVID-19 vaccine and urged him not to get the shot. However, he believes her decision was influenced by the streams of misinformation circulating on social media platforms. “She was telling me not to get vaccinated,” Daryl Rise told CNN. “I think it was from misinformation, I think it was falling into negative social media and bloggers, YouTubers.” alternet.org 9/21/21
According to findings of the survey, the majority of nurses (90%) are vaccinated against COVID-19 or plan to get vaccinated and say they are comfortable recommending COVID-19 vaccines (91%).Aug 18, 2021
I am sure Dr. Coren really cares what you think and will immediately change his opinion.
Nothing like a little segregation.
It’s not a choice to be born black property of white assholes.
However anyone can get vaccinated.
You trying to make the 2 comparable is the low blow attempt at race carding by someone who always bemoans the race card.
Basically; try again.
Well when you have had serious near death experiences from 3 other vaxes i dare say people like you whom decide to play hard ball with those of us that have decided that the chances of serious harm to ones health is greater by receiving the shots than by not getting them, should perhaps push to ensure others have the same chances to enjoy their lives , i mean if you got the shots why do you care right you are supposedly safe , unless the shots are but a load of crap and you really do not care about others but just want something to shake your fists i the air about and stomp your feet in the puddles demanding everyone be just like you.
[edit] Maybe it is the bit about “smart choices” that has you treading water and flailing for rescue under the stars.
“so this colored system will “help consumers make smart choices about which restaurants and businesses are following best practices when it comes to slowing the spread of COVID-19.”
Wow. Nothing like a little racism to start the day.
You do realize not being vaccinated is a choice, right? The color of one’s skin is not. Shame on you for this.
Aren’t GENDER IDENTITIES a choice?? How does that fit into your argument??
Is being left-handed a choice? Most folks are right-handed, and a few are naturally ambidextrous. Then there are some of us who are right-handed most of the time, but for some reason do a few things with our left hand. Not sure how old you are, but when I was a kid, many tried to force left-handed kids to use their right hand.
It is believed that left-handedness is biological and most likely genetic, as would be all the variations in between. The brain, biology, is not the black and white thing some folks would wish it was. Lots of grey in between. Certainly grey matter. 🙂
When I was in kindergarten they used to make me stay in class at recess and practice writing right handed. Still a lefty.
I always hated getting stuck with the lefty scissors I could never get them to cut
True dat! I was actually born left handed but was forced as a kid to sit at a special left handed table away from my friends. I quickly learned to use my right hand and do still to this day. When I kick a ball, I am left footed though.
Let’s start a protest that the world is biased towards right handed people!!
Where’s the equity?
Was your ginger identity a choice?
I love gingers, and they’re becoming extinct!
Untrue. An idea promoted by blondes ☺
No. One’s gender identity is not a choice. Ask any gender non conforming person if they chose to be ridiculed, tormented, marginalized, killed or otherwise mistreated.
I would venture to say that gender is not a choice. Down to the bones the DNA tells the tale. How you choose to express or not that is the choice.
It’s usually a fad choice during college, and then you try to marry as rich as possible to get out of the parents’ house.
Just ask Michael Jackson if you can decide the color of your skin or not.
This is Beyoncé anything I could ever imagine.
Full of drama like a soap opera, what a crack up. This thread will provide plenty of laughs throughout the day. Keep em coming…
That’s a racist false equivalency no way you aren’t getting called out on.I work in a well known and popular high end restaurant in Eureka and if it were my call no unvaxxed would be allowed to eat or work there. Pretty sure we’d still be in business.The only reason we don’t have universal free easily accessed and rapid testing is Trump’s initial denial and his wing nut fringe supporters.
Hmm… you must have missed the bits where the Democrats thought that a pandemic was a good opportunity to attack Trump and encouraged fear of “rushed” vaccines. Or you’ve forgotten the now infamous Pelosi and Biden statements that restricting flights from China was racist. If Trump did not cover himself with glory over covid, the Democrats were doing the same. Way, way too many people were focused on doing dirt on their neighbors over politics to ever allow any successful community organization. We could have never acted as South Korea or even New Zealand because we were too busy attacking each other to agree on anything. Heaven forbid either party should allow the other to benefit from doing something right.
The reason we didn’t have “universal free easily accessed and rapid testing” was the the CDC only allowed their own tests to be approved then botched the design of the test. By the time this was was fixed, the numbers of cases exceeded the ability use testing to contain the pandemic. We were paddling as hard as we could to cope with the result. But keep up the politics of division. No matter how poorly we’ve done, we could manage to make a bit worse by sprinkling a bit more fanaticism on it.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/coronavirus-vaccine-trump-2020-election_n_5f60cc29c5b65fd7b8550ef9
Hmm…my memory of the early pandemic days is that Trump told everyone the virus was “nothing”, and would just magicially go away in a few days, with a few cases. Refused to wear a mask in public, admitted to Woodward he was downplaying the virus, spread and caught the virus himself, got gold-standard rich guy treatment, and continued to downplay it. Hosted (and continues to) superspreader public rallies where you had to sign a waver that if you got sick, it was on you. That’s what I recall.
Some of that is true. Certainly a choice in remembering. As I said, not covered with glory. But then he pushed the vaccine development, went hammer and tongs to get American corporations to provide PPE and ventilators, sent hospital ships to NYC and LA at the demands of Democrat governors, restricted international travel, provided funding to hospitals for care without cost and funded testing for all (admittedly hard to get.) Signed legislation expanding unemployment, secured small business loans, gave tax credits to businesses extending paid leave to employees, moved the tax deadline, etc, etc, etc.
He did quite a lot for a man under constant political attack from the Democrats who you would think might have put the crisis before political posturing. They did not cover themselves with glory either. But then again memory is selective. It was selective before it was even memory.
Guest…wow…you must have a lot of time to dig around and weave all these subjects together in to a coherent statement. I’ll hand it to ya! Its some pretty freaking convoluted thoghts!
You get a D+, instead of an F-, only because everyone in freshman rhetoric knows all white people from day 0 until forever are racist.
Or, wait—you were just assuming I like stars is lowercase white?
Now, try this one…HMU if you need contact info for the ADL and BLM NYC, as to where to send your “false equivalency” exegesis.
Warning: This is a “high end” puzzle. But, you would have heard of Carmine’s, long ago. News spreads fast in the restaurant biz. You could probably contact Chivona Newsome directly. Because you are so outrageously down.
Hrmm question is are any “high” end places to eat in eureka even close to the french laundry? Cause even the great governor himself couldnt follow the mask rule for the money he was offered
There must be somewhere London Breed could go let her mask down and dance the night away over her dinner, while “feeling the spirit” up here.
Remind me where Robert Cray used to pop in…
Who polices the businesses making sure they are displaying the appropriate color sticker? And how would that information be proved? “I need to see the names of everyone on your payroll…….”
This is getting a bit crazy
I see it differently. No policing necessary.
Owners will be likely proud to display their representative color card.
If an no vax-owner starts lying and displays green, it still is promoting vaccination in a way.
Further, word would likely get out eventually about the falsifying of status. Whether by employees or family or friend.
The business would likely be cancelled once that happened.
It’s tough enough as it is without adding a local PR pandemic scandal on your menu.
Wouldn’t it be more efficient for the County Health Dept. to mandate their sewing these color/shapes on citizens clothing for their safety?
Three of the latest four deaths were fully vaccinated… tables are turning quick aren’t they?
No the tables are not turning. Getting the vaccine has worked great for my family, and most people.
Natural immunity has worked great for my family, and most people as well.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but each individual and family has their own unique situation and therefore must draw their OWN CONCLUSIONs and make their OWN ChOICE
The problem is ppl making decisions based on misinformation. Not sure why one would trust ramblings on the internet over medical science, but, here we are.
I don’t know about most people, but most of the people in my family that I know were fully jabbed, still got Covid19.
Thankfully, the infections were mild.
Oh, don’t worry, it was just old folks, you know, the ones you antivaxers were willing to sacrifice in the beginning. Were they FAT, DIABETIC, HAD OTHER HEALTH ISSUES?
WAS IT FROM OR OF? Did you guys change your M.O. and forget about those pressing issues???
It remains an epidemic of the elderly and those in poor health. Kind of makes the massive changes being forced on us seem a little silly. I’m glad those who want it have the vaccine as an option. I’ll be glad when the rest of us can move on with our lives without being menaced by those who will never feel safe anyhow
95% who die are unvaccinated. 80% who die are over 65. Looks like being vaccinated which you can choose to do is more helpful in avoiding death than being young which you can’t choose.
But obviously the vaccine does not work if people are still catching and dying of covid.
Obviously, then, handwashing doesn’t work because sometimes germs still get through.
Obviously, then, seatbelts don’t work because sometimes people who are wearing them die anyway.
Obviously, then, using a condom is stupid because sometimes people still become parents while using them.
You want me to keep going? Or is the fallacy obvious yet?
A protective device doesn’t confer immortality; it just ups your odds. (Maybe it’s just because I played D&D but it seems obvious that protective devices/actions help protect you but they don’t guarantee you will never get hit.)
At least those item’s listed are subject to recall and liability damage. If those products are causing harm, they get recalled.
The pharmaceutical companies have blanket protection. Not sure what world you live in, but every driver must be I insured, all companies have to be insured or responsible for their products causing harm.
Obviously the polio vaccine didn’t work because we still have polio…
Oh, wait, we actually don’t…
And obviously the smallpox vaccine doesn’t work because we still have smallpox…
Oh, wait, we actually don’t…
Because these vaccines were designed to eliminate diseases, and they worked.
I never play D&D but it seems obvious that some protective devices/actions not only help protect you, they virtually and/or eventually, do guarantee you will never get ‘hit’.
Not so with this newly defined ‘vaccine’.
Comparing the newly defined ‘vaccines’ to ‘hand washing’, ‘seatbelts’, or ‘condoms’, seems like a desperate attempt
to represent their potential effectiveness.
Or maybe a justification towards their potential ineffectiveness.
These vaccines don’t have the potential to eliminate Covid19.
They were designed only to moderate Covid19.
They have the potential to perpetuate COVID19.
All by design.
That is what is happening.
Kym, that’s 95% if you include all th deaths that occurred before anyone could be unvaccinated. Seems like a pretty disingenuous way to present the statistics.
No, it’s not. “The study examined cases of hospitalizations and deaths from Covid-19 over four months from April through July 2021. Over 600,0000 Covid-19 cases were evaluated based on vaccination status, CDC director Rochelle Walensky explained during a White House Covid-19 briefing. Between April 4 to June 19, unvaccinated individuals accounted for 95 percent of cases, 93 percent of hospitalizations, and 92 percent of deaths, reports Hilary Brueck and Natalie Musumeci for Insider. When looking at cases between June 20 and July 17 when the Delta variant became mainstream, unvaccinated people still accounted for 82 percent of cases, 86 percent of hospitalizations, and 84 percent of deaths.” https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/unvaccinated-individuals-are-11-times-more-likely-to-die-from-covid-19-than-those-who-are-vaccinated-180978714/
The Delta variant reduced the percentage a bit (possible with a bit of waning of vaccine efficacy thrown in). But by far the larger numbers of deaths from April to now are among the unvaccinated.
Kym, your own link and post show a decrease from 92% (not 95, but close enough) to 84% of deaths from April to July in the unvaccinated. During that time their share of the population probably also decreased, but that is not 95% and it is trending away from 95%
Okay….Some studies have shown 95%. (possibly with different date perameters…I don’t know. I’m a little busy right now to hunt that down) But say it is 84% (Like the worst case scenario)…If I had an 84% chance of getting $100 if I picked door number one. Then…I’m going to pick door number one. You feel lucky and want to pick door number 2 with a 16% chance…you sure can…
But, of course, its not a choice of 84% vs 16%. That is the proportion of those hospitalized in the latest data presented. Representing a further slide away from the promised vaccine efficacy. And of course, hospitalizations are only about 5% of infections (if that), and infections are only around 35% of the population annually.
So we’re back to the old discussion of relative vs absolute risk. We could say, from that latest data you presented, that the unvaccinated have a 5x increased relative risk of hospitalization.
Or we could say that the unvaccinated have a, roughly, 0.7% absolute increased risk of hospitalization.
The flip side of this, we could look at cdc data and say that boys 12-18 yrs old have a 100x increased risk of myo/pericarditis following vaccination. That makes it sound super scary. Of course the baseline risk was super rare so its probably also less than 1% absolute risk increase.
Stats are fun that way.
So between 82 and 92% of those who are known to have died of COVID are unvaccinated. (Of course, we both know that a number of respected scientists think the number of those who die because of COVID is likely higher)
And the best known number of those that have died because of the vaccine is 3 out of billions who have taken the vaccine. (Now, I agree that number may be slightly higher than that.) But if we apply the same rubric to both and only apply the numbers known to have died of COVID without the vaccine and those known to have died because they took the vaccine….the number is hundreds of thousands times higher for those who died because they didn’t take the vaccine.
Why wouldn’t anyone take those odds?
We don’t agree about th death toll of either the virus or the vaccine. Every municipality that has made an effort to review their covid death counts has come to the conclusion that they were over counted. Every assessment I’ve seen that declares that the death toll is higher than official uses all cause excess mortality and operates from an assumption that the shut down measures could not contribute to excess mortality.
As to the vaccine, the Pfizer data clearly demonstrates a negative impact on all cause mortality. Their opinion is that the excess deaths in the vaccinated cohort are not related to the vaccine but I don’t consider them a reliable source and we see that our regulatory infrastructure operates under the same a priori assumption that vaccines are safe. As if by magic.
Every single assessment of vaers data that I have seen expresses that it is massively under counting adverse events, including severe adverse events. No one has provided any contrary information. You choose to believe that none of the reported deaths or debilitating injuries are related because a regulatory agency with a poor record of honesty and a strong record of industry capture says so. But all scientific evidence indicates otherwise.
According to Pfizer themselves the vaccine is correlated with at least a 7% increased risk in mortality. In exchange for a 50% reduction in covid mortality risk. Who would take those odds?
Ya no Shit!
She should have said. 95% of the people who have died instead of “95% who die are unvaccinated”
its crazy but we all eventually get older and our health declines in the process. right now we are showing the youngest generation, which grew up on video games in a post 911 world, not to have any mercy for the old and weak. they will likely be the largest generation ever and will face many difficult choices. what could go wrong.
https://www.salon.com/2021/09/19/as-the-culture-engulfs-their-schools-kids-say-adults-arent-listening-to-them-at-all/
It was elderly vaccinated people who died. This much is apparent even to the ignorant; The vaccine must not work if people still catch covid and die of covid. That is plain to see!
Can you explain why 95% of all who are dying of COVID are unvaccinated then?
No, they can’t.
FULLY VACCINATED means 14 days after your 2nd shot… there’s a lot of number fudging in between ?
Just like NATURAL IMMUNITY isn’t factored in to the numbers because they say it would be too complicated.
It’s all BULLSHIT
So worried about the exact numbers, why? Antivaxers spew skewed bullshit numbers all day long here, don’t see you refuting any of that.
I’m wondering why kym keeps citing that number when the link she provided clearly disproved it
First…this comment by me was posted prior to me citing the statistic. Second, the statistics vary depending on what time period the study looks at. Third, here’s one story showing a 99% unvaccinated rate. https://www.cnet.com/health/99-of-covid-deaths-are-now-of-unvaccinated-people-experts-say/
Fourth, and most importantly, all of the studies show that the vaccine provides protection that makes being unvaccinated (except in rare cases) an exercise in ignoring reality. Which is, of course, the main point, that you keep trying to quibble your way out of.
You’re link is a news story listing many of the same studies we’ve already touched on. And its another one that quotes Scott Gottlieb while identifying him as the former head of the FDA but failing to identify him as a current member of the board for Pfizer. That’s a travesty of journalism right there.
To your point about all studies indicating that the vaccine provides some protection I agree. I’ve never suggested that the vaccines don’t provide any level of protection. How much and for how long is an area of ongoing study any most likely is dependent on many factors, including many specific to the individual in question.
The risks posed by accepting injections of this novel pharmaceutical technology (which was never deployed in humans at any kind of scale prior to July of last year) is also an area of ongoing study and also likely depends on some specifics of the individual receiving them. For entirely arbitrary reasons, you choose to completely dismiss the data from vaers which certainly indicates that something is happening that is radically different from existing vaccine protocols. Pfizer’s own data indicates a small increase in mortality among the cohort that received their product in a clinical setting.
So for me, personally, I look at a very very low risk level from covid infection and an unknown risk from these injections and I don’t see the risk benefit analysis justifying me racing to get these shots.
I’m a young man in good health, you’re an older woman who self identifies as fat. We face different risks and rewards from any number of medical interventions. I don’t disparage your choice to accept a new pharmaceutical intervention, in fact I’ve expressed gratitude that you have the option and hope that it works better than advertised. I find it disgraceful that you would choose to totally dismiss my choice about how to manage my personal health risks as “an exercise in ignoring reality”.
But you do you. I’m sure you believe you are doing the best thing for your community by seeking to shame people into making what you believe is the best choice. For your sake, I hope that you aren’t wrong.
CDC work for you? “The data might be helpful in communicating the real-time impact of vaccines (e.g., persons not fully vaccinated having >10 times higher COVID-19 mortality risk” https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm?s_cid=mm7037e1_whttps://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm?s_cid=mm7037e1_w
Can you cite scientific evidence for a naturally occurring origin of the virus?
You cannot!
There is None.
Lab based on all accounts.
All the animosity against the vaxhesitant should be directed at Fauxchi.
To be blunt, this is simply a disgrace what our government has done.
Send Fauxchi to the border to test the illegals. There’s 10 million Americans out of work, subject to labor market pressure.
Let’s look at the big picture, give the vax to those who are most vulnerable and let’s push antivirals and therapeutics for the rest.
Pushing the vaccine on a healthy immune system is the ABSOLUTE LAZIEST solution .
Our immune systems need to be tested, and strengthened, that is how we will survive, not being reliant on the pharmaceutical thugs.
Do some research on who the real drug pushers are.
What kind of population thinks TRILLION dollar deficits year after year, is good policy.
This administration and it’s enablers are not earning the respect for a blank check for rampant spending.
Fiscal conservative is how most Working Family’s make it work.
It’s a smear on the American people.
Take your mandates and your exemptions and get the fuck off our backs.
“The only strong conclusion is that the coronavirus was not developed as a biological weapon; most agencies thought, with low confidence, that it was unlikely to have been genetically engineered. In a press statement, the intelligence community writes that it aims to issue more details on its investigation in the near future….he National Intelligence Council and four intelligence groups leant towards COVID-19 stemming from a person naturally infected by an animal. One group leant towards a release from a lab accident, partly on the basis of the “inherently risky nature of work on coronaviruses”, and three other groups were undecided. ” https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02366-0
“many scientists say the existing evidence—including early epidemiological patterns, SARS-CoV-2’s genomic makeup, and a recent paper about animal markets in Wuhan—makes it far more probable that the virus, like many emerging pathogens, made a natural “zoonotic” jump from animals to humans.”
clusters of early COVID-19 cases had links to multiple Wuhan markets around the same time, which Garry says supports the idea of infected animals or animal traders bringing the virus to the city. A lab worker with COVID-19 would have had to make “a beeline not just to one market, but to several different markets,” he says. “You can’t rule it out, but then why the markets? Why not a soccer game or a concert or 100 other different scenarios?” https://www.science.org/content/article/why-many-scientists-say-unlikely-sars-cov-2-originated-lab-leak
If nothing else, it certainly is a big coincidence that the virus emerged from Wuhan, where they just happen to have a bioweapon lab, working on the same viruses. We know the Chinese were not forthcoming when it started. Why? If it walks like a duck….
Didn’t you hear, the “intelligence community” (those absolute paragons of honesty) thinks that it is very unlikely that it came from a lab.
Come on Kym..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSfejgwbDQ8&t=4m0s
Really, you are serious? That’s your response?
Of course, what was I thinking? I should always get my science from a comedian on late night tv…
If you refuse to see the true statistics and stick to what you believe even if wrong, then in your eyes you will always be right. Most people who are vaccinated but still dying are elderly or have one or multiple comorbidities. Your plain to see is painfully obvious to people who actually read and study the true statistics. I actually feel sorry for you. If you get sick stay home and don’t bother clogging up our hospital systems.
Most people who are vaccinated but still are still dying are elderly with comorbidities your saying? Is that not the story of the pandemic from the very beginning? Sure, the vax provided a small window of protection for a bit, but that protection is rapidly waning and soon we will find ourselves in the same position, which is people with co morbidities are vulnerable, which was the previous state of affairs. Maybe this is what people mean by not working. Back at square one.
Sure, using an experimental tool on those who are vulnerable makes sense, but pushing it on the portion of the population that is barely at risk is downright creepy, considering it does not offer herd immunity, and there are no long term studies. Healthy people have good reason wanting to wait and see! The New England journal of medicine just had an article stating “actually there is not enough evidence that it’s safe for pregnant women” oopsies, sorry bout dat
And wanting people to stay home and die actually makes you a very bad human being, and that is a fact!!
You have no idea who is “barely at risk”.
You stating something doesn’t make it true. And yes, stay away from the hospital if you get Covid. Tell your family not to call an ambulance. Take ivermectin and your vitamins because you’re barely at risk and you’ll “ just power through it” like the three dead people I knew.
Hmmmm
Looking at statistics is all that is needed to see who is barely at risk. But hey shit happens, my friend got attacked by a shark last year, so yeah you never know, but he still goes surfing. [edit]
Fortunately the article did not say that at all. On the contrary, it said that there were not enough pregnant women involved in the original studies to state that the vaccines were safe but since pregnancy is one of the things that put people at high risk of severe covid, it was decided that getting vaccinated should be permitted for pregnant women. Mind you, not pushed. Permitted. And suggested the decision was the woman’s.
Since then additional pregnant women have been studied. And those who received vaccination in the third trimester have has complications at historically similar rates, the study said “These are reassuring data based on reports from pregnant women mostly vaccinated in the third trimester.”
For earlier in pregnancy vaccinations, there has yet been not enough participants for certainty but the data they do have shows similar results. Saying there is not enough data is not an “oops” . Here is the amendment to the NEJM article – https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMx210017 which was changed to reflect statiscal rigor in drawing conclusions. Not have enough data to make a conclusion is not saying anything more.
You have a bias in your reading. Not enough women in the study is the same as saying not enough evidence, because evidence is achieved through studies with an appropriate size data set,and yes it should be the pregnant woman’s choice, just like every individual’s choice considering the fact there are no long term studies. Your focusing on the articles caveats and not the findings. Not enough data to make a conclusion is the same as saying safety cannot be verified.
You have a pathological bias. You should seek help
Exactly. They argue for arguments sake.
is that true?
Probably not.
Have you ever heard of sample size? The numbers show that the vaccine works.
When need a purple card too. To show take out only because no matter your state of vaccination no one is safe.
Are Hospitals misleading us?
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hospitalization-numbers-can-be-misleading/620062/
Yes! They are! That study indicates that up to half of hospitalizations are mild to moderate disease. Hospitalization and deaths are both very misleading and quite inflated considering what a rational person would assume a COVID hospitalization or death actually means. It’s very easy to mislead people. New consensus of the COVID mortality rate is 0.3 % . So this really is just a bad flu
Anti vaxxers find it very easy. They have been misleading people didn’t two centuries. With the exact same arguments.
The only antivaxxers are people that took the shot, it’s not working, and want to force others to take it so they feel better about their decision. Just accept that you took a non sterilizing vaccine that’s protection is not even going to last a year. And don’t compare this to other vaccines or the history of vaccines in general because that’s an obviously false equivalent. You responded with nothing, so I guess that’s what you have. Nothing
Close to the
Tipping Point
https://m.beforeitsnews.com/eu/2021/09/dr-reiner-fuellmich-we-are-close-to-a-tipping-point-2677054.html
This won’t end well.
Mmmmm donuts. Damn it!
I read Fox, NPR, Reuters, CBC, LA Times every day because eliminating one based on it’s political bias to embrace bias.
Who Biden thinks is the smartest person –
Established 1851 Reuter’s is ranked as the second most trusted news site. L.A. Times established late 1800’s. Conservative but seems to lean to the left. Don’t know about NPR. You might check out Democracy Now with Amy Goodman. A little left leaning but reliable. BBC seems to stick to proven facts. Also The Guardian, another British news source is highly respected.
my guess is a few smart ones and a whole lotta faithful imbeciles
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/12/10/fake_twain_quotes_and_other_hazards_of_twitter_116376-3.html
How many false quotes have you posted?
And if they help form or narrate your worldview, how does that affect it?
The amount of complete bullshit gleaned from janky, conspiracy, gin-up-the-crazies sites and unabashedly reposted here as “legitimate “ is mind boggling. Yet these are the people calling every one else sheep. Russia bot farms are laughing their asses off as we have to read the absolute moronic lies repeated here.
Mission accomplished extreme right wing “news” and foreign propaganda efforts.
Just look at your handiwork right here in these threads.
Is there anything about Russia you don’t believe when told by the CIA/DNC media?
Tell me your beliefs and where you get your “news” . I think I have a good idea.
A REALLY GOOD idea.
You’re back on your Hillary won shit.
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I’d encourage you to be primarily concerned with principles and critical thinking, rather than ideological brand loyalty.
Perhaps you could try my previous question this way: What pathetic and completely unsubstantiated beliefs about Russia that Hillary/DNC/Federal Intelligence agencies shat out in the “news” for the last 5+ years do you still cling to, religiously, despite these lies having been objectively demonstrated to be propaganda the entire time?
Or, maybe what you’re saying is that your obsession with Russian bots comes from having finally accepted that the ONLY verified Russiagate claim is that there were Russian chatbots who said unkind things about Hillary. Big score! Keep it on loop.
Anyway, I dare you look into US Intelligence agency involvement in media/social media/chatbottery influence campaigns (foreign and domestic.) There’s more information available on that, and it should scare you even more that Vlad the “no soul…killer” and his blog attacks.
The blind faith in the same system that brought us mass deaths at the hands of german pharmaceuticals, is the same one pushing, controlling the narrative.
If you don’t see it, you might be the good German.
The sentiment stands. It doesn’t matter who said it.
ewww …. awwww, I like it
Must sign in to thumb up or down?
That’s a thumb question ?
This is a new comment app and has a few kinks to work out. Hopefully Kim can have her IT people set it up so you don’t have to sign in to give a comment the thumb.
I’m having the same problem. No idea how to sign in.
I hope to have a commenting guide up next weekend. Sorry, my bill paying/paperwork went to hell during the worst of the fires and I’m still trying to prioritize getting caught up there.
But short version is a commenter can login using a number of options which include Facebook, Twitter, Google (gmail), Disqus, or WordPress accounts. See image below.
Because it is an advantage to me to have you log in (speeds moderation, for instance), I wanted to offer incentives for doing so. One incentive is the autofill on the comment section. Sign in with your Gmail account or Facebook or create a pseudonym if you want on WordPress or Discus and , after the first signin, you don’t have to fill in hardly anything but your comment. You also get to vote up or down on comments. You can also delete your comments and review them.
I tried signing in with Gmail kym and it ran me through the steps and then returned me to the comment section, still not signed in. Ill try again later but just wanted to pass that along
Ugh, would you try again when you have a chance and let me know. And if anyone else is having this problem let me know and I’ll go to my IT person.
Kym, I’ve tried numerous times, using both Google and Disqus, to no avail. It shakes me off as “incorrect”every time, whether I use my email address or username. Kinda frustrating, really.
Do hope it can be fixed for better functionality. The comment section improvements have been awesome.
The part I miss is that the old system would take your bookmark straight to your own previous comment. Doesn’t do that anymore. You have to search the whole comment section to find it.
IF you are signed in, just click on the person silhouette in the comment box. Your most recent comments show (as do all the others if you flip through the pages.)
Kym, like the changes, love the site.
For a few days, I could thumb without logging in. That was when it showed just a running tally of the thumbs and not the individual ups or downs. But no biggie. I’ll probably Discus it.
However, any way the IT person could add one of those floating “Back-to-the-top” buttons? Some of these threads with 100+ comments take for ever to scroll back to the article if I want to, say, check someone on their comment or just see if I missed something in the article that someone is referring to. Perhaps there is already a trick I don’t know about.
When you have time. And don’t do it just for me. “Give me convenience or give me death” – the DKs
Can you send me a link to a website that uses that “Back-to-the-top” button so I can check out that?
Kym, Craigslist has one at the bottom of their pages, but, I’ll find a floating one for you. Thanks.
Kym
I really like the thumb-up thumb-down feature, Thanks
I’m pretty happy with the options available with the new system. Still working out the bugs and getting to know all the options.
I don’t use any of those log in comment trackers and will not start now.
If you go to your Disquis account, every comment you’ve ever made through Disquis is there, just try to delete one.
I’ll just use my emoji.
We live in a country where you have to show an ID to buy a hamburger, but not to vote.
We live in a country where an illegal invader is not required to vax because as the president states “they’re only here for a short time”. Well hey Joe, I don’t intend to homestead at the restaurant.
We live in a country where people who’ve had the flu are mandated by unelected 3rd tier bureaucrats to get a vax so they won’t get an illness they’ve already had.
Most importantly we live in a country where millions of citizens actually believe the things stated above make sense.
Where are you going for hamburgers?
Also, just voted. Did not need ID; I did have to surrender my mail-in ballot.
C’mon, the flu? Terrible example. Vax or no vax. Regular flu or otherwise. Everyone can get the flu a second time, and a third, and a fourth, and . . . .
20,000 Shut Down Melbourne Highway In Massive Lockdown Protest
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/fk-jab-long-live-australia-20000-shut-down-melbourne-highway-massive-lockdown-protest
Outstanding….. good job Australia
Stupid people are found the world over. So?
Yes but the stupidest people are found in government the world over
Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro ate pizza on the sidewalk in New York ahead of the UN General Assembly, likely because he doesn’t meet the city’s COVID-19 vaccine requirements for indoor dining.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/unvaccinated-bolsonaro-eats-pizza-on-ny-sidewalk-ahead-of-un-general-assembly/
Man of the people!!
If he’s your hero, that says everything about you.
Wearing a mask inside the restaurant other than when eating and drinking is a pathetic joke. If you were going to take your mask off to eat and drink then you are adding no safety to the situation by wearing it for a few minutes before you sit down.
Another one of the many instances of us abandoning all logical reasoning in favor of one over makes baby feel better.
I wish we had this in Humboldt.
Last nights Project Veritas video has been removed by Facebook and Instagram for wrongthink. This is a follow up James O’keefe just released.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfZgq_yqvbE
A balance between freedom of information and “branding”? People that very concerned about the virus and want to participate only in a vac facility..they could do that with the sign ratings. On the other side of that…is this branding to become like marking Jews in Nazi Germany…. or the various other tribal markings such as prison gang tats? The branding a way of continuing to separate the community?
In southern Oregon… we already have non vac separation..by word of mouth. Some small restaurants and business never did mask..never did shut down. We had OSHA hand out some “huge” fines to some small restaurants that didn’t shut down in the worst of it… ~$18K… like that. OSHA was attacked by the community and political reps local. Mostly.
You see… a few of the local elected wanted OSHA to close down all business except..for some reason the big corporate box stores. The political response was just like vac reactions..or COVID deaths…inconsistant. A randomness….
Britt Music Festival…for example.. now requires a vaccine passport and/or a current covid test ..to enter the grounds. The Vatican… the Vatican state…has just went vaccine passport… no jab, no church state entry for you! Israel… pretty stiff there too…
All major STATE funded institutions..be it medical… or higher education… strict vaccine mandate. Public schools… a bit more room there. Asante Regence…. vaccine, or no job. You can work remote with an exception. Tough to do that MRI… from the house. When is the Oregon vac drop dead date? Oct 18th?
Staffing is a concern…
https://www.oregon.gov/boli/workers/Pages/covid-vaccine.aspx
Goodwins law
Goodwins Law may be true… one would think the probability of segregation comparisons however..would be greater in this sort of discussion ..the subject of : vaccine/non vaccine segregation.
The WW2 segregation was such a classic example.
Eric Clapton..of all people.. is an avid anti. He had a bad reaction… almost lost the use of his hands. Other people…no reaction what so ever. One wonders if blood type is a defining issue in Covid reactions? O positive least affected… AB neg most?
The Anti-Mask Song “Stand & Deliver”, Performed by Eric Clapton & Written by Van Morrison – YouTube
Eric Clapton – This Has Gotta Stop (Official Music Video) – YouTube
Inflammation is a part of the immune system. And Inflammation can exacerbate some conditions. Vaccine trigger some Inflammation just as a body reacts to an invasive virus. There is little a vaccine can cause that the virus causes ten times worse.
It is likely that Clapton already had some Inflammation in his hands due to the nature of his occupation. Probably had been treated for it. So getting vaccinated created some Inflammation like the immune system generates from any irritant. It affected his hands because they were already affected. The choice though is not whether to avoid the effect but whether the vaccine affect is shorter, less dire and more easily resolved than the affect of infection by the virus. Because what he had was something is well known the virus can cause.
No doubt that Clapton’s individual situation… like all folks have individual situation..had a baring on his horrible COVID jab reaction. Besides the sickness…he had paralysis.
Eric Clapton slams vaccine ‘propaganda’ after experiencing ‘disastrous’ side effects
I don’t know if “he had been treated for it”…infllamation… probably would be a good fact research effort to find that info.
Eric Clapton’s Covid-19 vaccine reaction explored: Singer against proof of vaccination at his shows
I do enjoy his talents:
Eric Clapton, Luciano Pavarotti, East London Gospel Choir – Holy Mother (Live) – YouTube
“Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis.”
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351
Don’t worry if you’re an immigrant you are exempt and can eat at any restaurant of your choice, regardless of signage.
It’s so inconsistent. One huge group with a good union: exempt. Another group..with a strong pro vac management… jab or lose the job.
Using an estimate by Josephine County sheriff… there were about ~1,500 illegals working the herb operations in the Illinois Valley. Many were in slave labor situations..and living in horrible sanitary conditions also.
None [to common knowledge] of those worker… were jabbed. Some of them were from as far south as Equador..most from Mexico. They go to the stores and so forth… undoubtedly a spreading vector. How could they not be?
Add in wildfire smoke inversions…. stressing people’s lungs… get the COVID…and .. it could go bad.
Are you only worried about unvaccinated immigrants and not worried about unvaccinated US citizens? That makes no sense whatsoever.
What a great idea! This is a wonderful public health service.
Glad Mendo County is taking their plague deaths seriously. Wish Humboldt would be this pro-active.
This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper -ts eliot
This is the most interesting thing I’ve read in a long time. The sad thing about it, you can see it coming.
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
‘A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.’
‘A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.’
‘From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.’
‘The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years.
‘During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. from dependence back into bondage’
Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2020 Presidential election:
Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: ‘In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…’ Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the ‘complacency and apathy’ phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached the ‘governmental dependency’ phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.
If you are in favor of this, then, by all means, delete this message. If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.
WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE,
Only BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE
This country is about 4 months behind Israel on vaccination rates. Israel data suggests that hospitalizations are ever increasingly of the vaccinated, even after the booster shot.
We are just beginning to see in upswing of vaccinated hospitalization. Totally sucks, but if your into the jabs then just cut a permanent hole in your sleeve because it doesn’t seem as if the shots going anywhere.
Jabs forever, increasing the chances of adverse events. Whatever you think of the shots, everybody should consider where their personal line is, because what? jabs forever? Sounds pretty nutty to me
ivermectin approved by NIH
when I search “ivermectin approved by NIH” with duckduckgo, only links that stated it wasn’t approved by NIH or FDA showed up.
HERE’S THE LINK!
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2e/
Im gonna post to FB and say, “for all you people who thought ivermectin was just some right-wing conspiracy theory” 🙂
For SEVERE COVID cases it might help, but it doesn’t cure. Read trial results clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04646109?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=1
This is even more confusing than typical conspiracy theory posts. That meme is from a ring-wing conspiracy site. Ivermectin is not approved by NIH. It is in several trials only.
Ya, it says right on the posted image;
“Approved or under evaluation “
Red hexagram, the new yellow star? When do we get a flag?
Goodwins law
So I heard the owner of the Ivanhoe in Ferndale died of Covid.
99% of covid deaths happen in hospitals.
What good does any of this do if there is no type of enforcement. At this point, I would not think maskless, especially out of area people, should be allowable, if there is an increase in cases. Safeway will not enforce mask mandates in Fort Bragg, because they have been told by corporate not to do so. Money talks!
Instead of being a social justice warrior, take your sorry ass to a different place if you don’t like what the business owner feels comfortable with. This is still America, why cause shit! You have the RIGHT to choose. But not the right to impose your will on others. Last I checked ,only spoiled brats, and Bullies performed this way. The News media is too willing to inflate these events. Try imposing your will on others 50 years ago. You would get tossed across the street! Probably by the patrons.
A restaurant in my town has a sign like this on the door it says Trump 2024 the Revenge tour I know not to eat there
There are no anti-vaxxers here, just anti-jabbers.
So…..they should all shut the hell up.
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I’ll be back tomorrow folks.
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com
This isn’t the way. I don’t believe the person who wrote these signs wasn’t trying to be a bit offensive or sarcastic.
The way is to make sure the vaccine is safe. It is, you say? Ask the 50,000 women who’ve had abnormally light or heavy or early or late or nonexistent periods afterwards, including Dr. Kate Clancy, who while on an IUD that made her not have periods at all, had “the heaviest period of her life lasting for ten days soaking the heaviest pads once an hour.”
If that happened to me I could die. I almost bled to death from an abnormal period a few months ago, not caused by a vaccine.
The way to make sure is to remove the legal barriers that make one able to sue if a pharmaceutical makes them have a side effect – unless the pharmaceutical is a vaccine. I understand this issue very well because I was burned on the face and permanently scarred while under general anesthesia 20 years ago and never compensated for it – or even found out how it happened.
Write an article on the real, legitimate reason people aren’t getting a Covid-19 vaccine. Write an article about women’s period side effects that doesn’t include the phrase “biologic mechanism” or a baseless reassurance saying it’s harmless.
Write an article petitioning the federal government to change their laws to motivate people to get vaccinated.
Signed,
Adrienne Floreen
YouTuber and Political Candidate
This is a video by a dr. called “Here’s what I’m seeing treating COVID…” he works in a hospital treating covid patients and he is also a YouTuber
youtube.com/watch?v=U7PEhsmCmrE
And here is his video called “I’m willing to take my NATURAL IMMUNITY case all the way to the Supreme Court” because he tests himself every day for antibodies and has a condition that could make him have an adverse reaction to the vaccine so he is UNVACCINATED and willing to go to the Supreme Court, quit his job (saving dying COVID patients) and move out of state/country to not get vaccinated.
youtube.com/watch?v=aU7uBmLUiiY
When reporters insult unvaccinated people, remember one of them is saving the lives of people dying of covid – whether they’re vaccinated or not. I will call this Example #1.
Do the comments get turned off every time I comment on an article because this isn’t the first or second time, but the 50th or more. Why is it that once I comment on an article the comments and responses just… stop?
That used to happen to me quite a bit. It’s a phenomena.
The truth is real….
Will there be a list posted somewhere, so people can easily choose their destination?
Would eventually be nice to see which businesses have the most clientele too.
Did you notice the stop light effect of the signs? Green = go, Yellow = caution, Red = stop. Surely they could have picked neutral colors, but they choose not to.
Overall it’s a good idea though, everyone can go where they will be most comfortable.
https://www.theonion.com/hospital-icus-at-capacity-with-reporters-covering-anti-1847716379ATLANTA—Overwhelmed and running low on resources, hospital administrators confirmed Tuesday that intensive care units across the country were filled to capacity with journalists and broadcasters who were busy reporting on the many anti-vaxxers dying from Covid-19. “At the moment, our critical care facilities are packed wall-to-wall with people from CNN, MSNBC, The Washington Post, and other media outlets, all of them desperate to capture the last moments of people who refused the vaccine and are now paying the ultimate price for that decision,” Piedmont Atlanta Hospital spokesperson Christine Hoffman said of the reporters, who held microphones and repeatedly observed that the deaths of the anti-vaxxers were highly ironic, because, in the end, despite all their claims that the virus was no big deal and vaccination was unnecessary, Covid had killed them. “We have resorted to using overflow spaces such as hallways and supply closets to accommodate the growing number of producers, photographers, camera crews, gravely ill patients, and TV personalities. The influx of unvaccinated Covid sufferers has also left us short-staffed, because our doctors and nurses now have their hands full providing reporters with quotes for their stories. Sadly, many of these reporters wouldn’t even be here if the patients they were covering had heeded their advice to get the shot.” According to sources, many hospitals have been forced to send away journalists who return for care after contracting breakthrough Covid during one of their many reporting trip
What utter nonsense. No one has ever shown proof a new virus and no one ever will. And yet, we should comply with all sorts of nonsense orders as if we are slaves. #ProSlaveryCalifornia