69-Year-Old Woman Found Dead in Crash Near Frog Woman Rock (Video)
Screenshot of a video from Hopland Fire District showing helicopter pulling up a basket carrying the victim.
Press release from the California Highway Patrol:
On 05/28/2019 at approximately 1700 hours, the Ukiah Communications Center was notified of a traffic collision on southbound US-101 just north of mile marker 5.00. A silver Mercury Tracer was traveling southbound on US-101 north of mile marker 5.00 when it left the roadway and off a dirt/grass embankment. The Mercury collided with the embankment and overturned onto its roof next to the Russian River. The occupant was wearing her seat belt at the time of the collision. At this time, it is unknown if alcohol or drugs were a factor in this collision.
The date, time, and cause of this collision are still under investigation.
Below we’ve embedded video from the Hopland Fire Protection District’s Facebook page showing how a CHP helicopter crew aided in carefully returning the woman’s remains from the riverbed to awaiting crews on the roadway.
https://www.facebook.com/hoplandfire/videos/370993413762753/?__xts__[0]=68.ARBfxADo1gBmB4C51uFH11ft9bBBx4EYy-0FpWfI8bZiaCx6aPl4Vc79zCMQdcVSIvBboqGZixlN67EDjgLdV_DZPqTwL-9LEgx1n9ophk0Uju34mCXwnRmiVsOumV0EKJvV9IvsaxZV-egY4f1Da3o8SQs0ryH8B5U5P5P2ixOSMCkMM93UOfNdyA9KcFP9XtFwQd3bSxj4F01azvS0ALIR-AKBniV6oOuGecxlqDkKKQ-DfqPwIOqCP8oYhquraPvIjNm5uyVrpTBWiJf8t3ky30WpLsak96LFFOLlJfWenne7u0bmh9T9HhK0ZHhjuUkf0uQzm5dYPvjGP3i1wb0j1kbceC8jFX1c5A&__tn__=-R
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Is that the politically correct name for Squaw Rock?
Short answer: Yes
Longer answer: https://kymkemp.com/2011/08/04/squaw-rock-becomes-frog-woman-rock/
It also represented enumerated and non enumerated. (taxed and non taxed).
https://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2006/summer/indian-census.html
Governor Blacksnake, a loyalist to the King, might have some documents that back either the pc or non pc. (and whose PC it is or isn’t)
If you have enough money. Squaw Valley will never become “Frog Woman Valley home of the 1960 Winter Olympics.”
“politically correct”.
First score of the day for funniest. As in, WHO THE HELL CARES?
Poly – many. Ticks – blood suckers.
Well, in that case, Im sure your mom doesnt care if i call her a “loose twatted whore who begat a bastard.”
Pretty ugly yourself. Hopefully Kym will point that out.
Ernestine, as guest (with a lower case g) pointed out, is illustrating with an example rather than actually insulting another commenter.
It’s a real shame Kym….A person dies in a tragic accident, and in lieu of posting condolences/sympathies for the person who lost their life and/or their family, everyone instead wants to bicker about the political correctness of the name of a piece of rock.
Pardon us. It’s just that the name of the rock is also important. The woman who departed may not have cared, but it is possible that she would have not wanted to be associated with a word that is derogatory to women.
My condolences to the woman who died near Frog Woman Rock.
>”Frog Woman Rock”
Great. Now you name the rock as an insult to French people.
Are you sure “frog woman” is not derogatory?
It’s hard to figure out how to balance compassion for other people’s pain which is disconnected from you with a desire to continue living your life.
I notice as a reporter that sees a lot of dark stories, sometimes I just have to disassociate myself from all the pain. I imagine others have similar issues.
Everybody should disassociate more and leave their depression behind.
Nonsense- if that piece of disingenuous rationalization stands, then there is no limits on using personal insults to demean people. But even if you find the typical hate spewed by people like ernestine was sincerely meant as an example and not as an opportunity to insult without rebuke , (reminds me of the example that, since the insulted race uses the pejorative, it must be acceptable) then every single racial and/or personal slur can be couched in the same language. I wonder what defect of logic there is in the Progressive mind that work like a one-way valve, allow the same hate to flow from the people on their preferred victim list towards the races they hate but shuts the valve when the same crap flows the other way. No one can try to out hate a hater and rationally that it results in less hate. Reducing hate apparently is not even a consideration.
Nothing Central HumCo said should have lead to that. If you read without your own prejudice getting in the way, the comment was simply laughing at the term political correctness used by Prof. Quiz. Even calling it political correctness directly didn’t deserve such a personally framed insult much less a second hand reference. Of course the change of name was political correctness. That does not mean that a person thinks the Squaw name wasn’t inappropriate. It’s the insincerity of those motivated by “political correctness” to appear sincerely moral that is considered ironic.
Thanks for providing lots to ponder on. Well said Yo.
Well, yo, we see this differently. A lot of our native American neighbors carry a lot of pain and some words bring that pain right back to life. ‘Squaw’ tends to top the list of those words.
idk what anyone else’s motives are, and i am slow to limit vocabulary because that causes its own damage. I wasn’t going to weigh in on the original question even though i felt the slap of its condescension , but humco wanted to laugh and ridicule others’ pain.
Well, how funny is it, when its slapping back?
You write at great length, but you don’t make a point.
Oh wait, I get it. You’re mad because you think that Central got called a “whore,” and you got triggered by that, because you don’t like hearing people getting called that word, because you’re not down with the hate. Imagine that…
Also, as the only person on this page to have offered condolences, I assure you that my condolences were sincere.
Yes siree, Yo’motha, for example,
Thank you so much for taking the time, and saying it so precise, in pointing out what i was referencing — the ‘political correct’ part.
What does “PC” have to do with thinking that women should not be called “squaws” or “whores”? Is it a political thing now? We used to just call it getting raised proper.
Please enlighten me.
What about femme, or frau, or kona, or emakume, or wahine, or owesifazane?
These all mean ‘woman’ in french, german, Icelandic, basque, Hawaiian and zulu…. just like squaw means woman in Algonquian. The translation is not ‘whore’.
For many people, “whore” is the exact translation. This is due to the fact that language is socially constructed. What this means is that there are social and historical contexts that determine what words mean. The word “squaw,” as it exists today, here and now, is embedded in a social context of racism, and it is embedded in a historical context of colonialism, rape, and genocide.
If this isn’t enough ugly baggage to choose a different word, then suit yourself. Never mind that it actually hurts people when they have to hear you say it.
Ullr Rover,
“Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter, and those who matter don’t mind.” -Bernard Baruch
~and remember, ridicule without substance is the primary defense of the ignorant.
” If you read without your own prejudice getting in the way, the comment was simply laughing at the term political correctness used by Prof. Quiz. ”
~you’re making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Guest,
The ones who are debating you are the same ones who cheer for Trump calling people names like Pocohantis, yet are completely offended when you point out they are white and ignorant.
I have no condolences, or sympathy.
Idiots live. Theres no changing it.
I thought Trump’s comments asinine. Using an honorable persons name, Pocahontas, to insult a dishonest person is as insane as using a benign word and turning into an insult.
Insult away on me. Your negativity has no power over me… which is my whole point on these, so-called, derogatory terms. Why do individuals allow other people to have so much power over them?
I have no intent to insult you.
You have little to no leverage to tell anyone if squaw is offensive.
Your attempt 2 months ago to validate “squarehead” as just as insulting as ” nigger” is not forgotten.
Your perspective is one that has never been affected by bigotry and racism.
You simply dont understand.
It’s like explaining the ocean to someone that has never seen it; you cant.
They just have to see it.
I thought it asinine at first too, but now I see how brilliant it was. It woke parents and students up as to why dumba$$ students from rich-clout families children were given tuition priority over those who actually had worked hard for their grades. Sorry, class is full. Try again next year.
The courts have been busy straightening them out.
Would this had happened had he of not made a big stink out of her falsified records? Well, the short answer is a big hell no. This has been going on for a long time … until now.
Your mother,now I’m really confused.we need more rare earth elements for our computers and an enviornmental laws won’t let us extract them.
Actually, Ernestine makes a valid point. “Squaw” means what she says it does. It is a four letter word that is highly derogatory to women and native people. It is not a good word to use.
mid 17th century: from Narragansett squaws ‘woman’, with related forms in many Algonquian dialects.
It’s origin is not derogatory. It’s misuse has been.
Thank you. Accuracy has value
When I read objections to “pc” I wonder why commenters believe they have a greater right to use whatever derogatory name they want than the (for want of a better word at the moment) offendees. Indeed, what dif does it make to me, a Euro-American, if we call it “Squaw Rock” or “Frog Woman Rock”? if Native people find “Squaw” offensive, out of common courtesy, we should abandon that term.
Consider if your name is Jack, and everyone calls you Jackass. Do you have the right to object? Or is just so inconvenient to those who have become accustomed to calling you “Jackass” that it would be wrong to correct them?
Sheesh- where was anything said about the name not being offensive or that changing it to something more palatable is wrong? The only ones on a rant are the one who abuse people for what they never said.
So the Algonquian languages should lose a word based on current political correctness?
Squaw means woman.
It’s view as derogatory comes from a puritan revision of how Indians offered a squaw… because Indians didn’t have the Christian hangup around physical pleasure.
So you are using your modern lenses, filtered through ardent Christian assumptions, to judge a word, and ultimately, a behavior of a culture that you know nothing about.
“Language is always changing. Language changes across space and across social groups. Language also varies across time. Generation by generation, pronunciations evolve, new words are borrowed or invented, the meaning of old words drifts, and morphology develops or decays.” – University of Pennsylvania (https://www.ling.upenn.edu/courses/Fall_2003/ling001/language_change.html)
The word meant woman. Today, it means something different.
Also, I’m not Christian.
And I don’t need to know nothing about nobody in order to practice simple standards of common courtesy.
“And I don’t need to know nothing about nobody in order to practice simple standards of common courtesy.”
@9:10 we have common courtesy at its finest:
Well, in that case, Im sure your mom doesnt care if i call her a “loose twatted whore who begat a bastard.”
Central, I see that you were hurt by Ernestine’s comment. I don’t think you should take it personally. Maybe just realize that this is how someone else might feel when they hear the word, “squaw.” That’s all.
It doesn’t matter your religious inclination, you are using the Christian cultural lense that judges the Algonquian people as abhorrent for how they treated their women. It is very ironic that the attempt to be PC is anti-PC because the orgins of the PC-ness is the culture that decimated the culture you are trying to protect from feeling bad.
Who’s PC?
Am I PC because I think women shouldn’t be called “squaws”?
Translation: squaw is a “bad” term because a bunch of white dudes didn’t like the Algonquian people having free and open sex.
The entire derogatory inference of the word comes from a puritan culture judging an indigenous culture.
Common courtesy was used by most. It was the few (especially Hollyweird) who made it derogatory. The same will happen with the term Frog. Will the word Frog have to be changed when it happens? All it takes, apparently, is one Hollyweird movie to set the stage, Bloggers to push the narrative, and stupidvisors to seal the deal.
Why? What does it gain? Power over an imaginary group of real life people? Sadly, it is hurting the pride and sovereignty of every individual life who is told to be hurt by words instead of strengthened by them. The bullies just change their words and carry on as usual.
On the other hand,
Taking back the term would make it strong and wholesome again. Decent hollywood movies, good decent loving community bloggers & teachers, and supervisors to seal the deal. Original is good, get over it.
There is nothing wrong about being called a woman, no matter what tone of voice is used. Most would have a problem with hearing obnoxious voices sneering ribbbbbitttt every time they walked by though, I would imagine. Banning the use of the word Frog or the word ribbit is unconstitutional, obnoxious, and as agenda filled as banning any other freedom of speech.
Feelings of Victimhood is an individual choice, because feelings are individual. But collectively forcing victimhood on others by redefining & legislating them is downright wartime mental manipulation tactics.
Give it up… when you have to explain too much, you have already lost. You can explain all you want, you can justify if you want but it’s just not an acceptable word. Here’s the test: go to Hoopa and call a lady there a squaw, and see if you don’t get your ass whipped.
Simpler version of typed words:
I am woman, hear me roar. Helen Reddy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojtCzCyJakE
Squaw = Woman.
Woman = Glorious nurturer of everything beautiful from the earth (Mother Earth), to giving life to newborns. Incredible and amazing person with insights that baffle scientists. Not only do they gather the herbs and plants, they know how to combine them for ultimate nourishment.
Frog = Biblical plague on the earth, slow boil syndrome, warts, witches brews, … and a great fly catcher. Don’t be a fly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyBKz1wdK0M
I imagine Jack-a$$ would end up either a tough old bird with a great sense of humor that takes life in stride, or wimpering clump in the grass every time his name was mentioned. That’s Jack’s business, to choose his own emotional response, it’s not ours to choose it for him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gbtm-93oqE
A boy named Sue is a great learning curve. Notice how nobody banned or redefined the name Sue?
This in fact was my point precisely.
4 letter word? Squaw? It is derogatory but it is definitely 5 letters.
I was feeling bad about being harsh with you (Central Hum Co) over your disquisition on copper bullets, as I later suggested. Thanks for relieving me of all guilt. The world is beautiful again.
“Squaw” is an extremely derogatory term referring to female, native tribal members, much like the “N” word refers to black people.
Hope this helps, but I doubt it.
~you can feel guilty or not feel guilty, that is your choice.
You can hush or not hush, that’s a choice too.
Everyone is telling you we, as a community, no longer stand with the racism of the past.
Not becuase we are polite, but because racism is wrong.
Bravo
~well, there’s 10 seconds wasted i’ll never get back.
But maybe The Rock was breeding with all the other rocks and was really a squaw Rock and they had all these illegitimate rocks all over the place rocks can be that away you know I try to keep my Rocks Under Control but sometimes they just start breeding with anything and everything elephant rock Cherry Rock head rock no telling how your rock is going to get off puta Rock and nobody really knows her name are wants to admit it after all it is right by the Rock Shop I like frog woman Rock better it can be a very dangerous place a, lot’s of people drive way too fast there and you might not see any type of obstruction in the road in time to avoid an accident
How can you control your rocks if your speed is out of control?
Thanks for the laugh. Its good to keep things in perspective.
Words, though their root meanings stay the same, change over time. Yes, the “S” word (squaw) means woman. But, to some, it has become derogatory from its misuse. But people should be careful when limiting who can say certain words, because it sends mixed messages. Natives say the “S” word but find it offensive when others say it. The “N” word is intolerable when whites say it but ok when said among those it once referred to. My buddy calls all his friends “fool”, but don’t anyone else say it to me or him. I can also call him “ese”, “homes”, and “vato” even though I am white and his parents came from south of the border. Can other whites call him that? Few. Do I say those words to others I don’t know? Not a chance. “Retarded” has also changed to become a slur. It means slow. The timing on your car can be retarded. So can a person, right? At one time, yes. Now, it is an insult. The proper term is “Developmentally Delayed.” My point is, if someone doesn’t want to be called a word, don’t call them that or even say it if they are in ear shot; or in today’s world, internet shot. And, if you don’t want to be called a word, be careful who hears you say it. It’s like my Gra’ma used to say, there are joke you can say in public, and jokes that stay in the family.
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
My condolances to the family of the woman who lost her life, and I hope she wasn’t alone in her car suffering for a long time before being found. There are alot of tragic accidents in this area.
The naming of this area has more to do with historical context and legend, and not political correctness. The location has stories associated with it from the folks that lived there prior to Spanish, Russian, and Europeon contact, and renaming is more of an acknowledgement of their presence, and their legends.
That sounds like an interesting story. Can you share?
Frog Woman Rock is a site associated with the Pomo legend of Frog Woman, the clever and powerful wife of Coyote, who lived near this rock
Thanks.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog_Woman_Rock
I miss the large pull-out at this huge rock which was eliminated when the highway was widened. It was a nice place to look down on the river and up to the rock.
Cal-Trans can’t seem to do anything with that big ole’ ‘bump’ in the road. Think they just gave up, put up some cones and a sign that basically says’slow the fuk down’!
I agree
Big time mobile California real estate continues to march down to the river and 101on the East side. Over the years Cal-Trans has built various retaining walls with limited success considering how big the movements are. Flat out unstable ground.
Maybe but the vast majority of drivers don’t leave the road for unknown reasons right there. I’m betting it was texting and (not) driving.
A 64 year old texting?
>”A 64 year old texting?”
69 year old.
Silverlining, what age am I supposed to stop texting? I guess should tell my Mom, 72, she’s too old to text, right?
My heart goes out to her family. It is sad that the main comments on here are about the name or former name of the rock. It is an insulting name but most people do not know that and when referring to the location would not know it by its new name so using the former name makes sense if you are trying to explain the location of where this horrible accident happened. Using this article as a place to discuss the topic of the name of the rock is just as disgusting as using that word since someone’s mother, grandmother, daughter, sister passed away. Not only did she pass away but she was there for an undisclosed amount of time; long enough for the vehicle to no longer be warm. I do hope that she wasnt there suffering for the entire time and passed quickly after the accident.