After National Controversy, Eureka’s Women’s March Back on Track for January 19
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This brought national attention with a variety of media outlets ranging from Breitbart to Ebony covering the story.
But, the Women’s March is now back on for January 19 with speeches beginning at noon at the Madaket Plaza. Linda Atkins, former Eureka City Council member decided yesterday to apply for a permit and have the third Annual Women’s March in spite of the earlier cancellation.
“I was so excited when I went to the march last year and saw all the different people,” she told us in a phone interview this afternoon. “I liked the march part because I got to talk to people I didn’t know. It was very uplifting. People from all different parts of the community…I was upset when it was cancelled…I called a couple of friends and asked if they were willing to help.”
They were and Atkins applied to the City of Eureka for a permit.
“The City is working with me to make it all happen,” she said. “They’ve been really good…I think we can pull it off…[But] we only have two weeks.”
Atkins explained that she is calling around trying to get speakers from a diverse a group of communities within the area. “We will have a small rally to get you inspired and then we’ll march,” she told us.
Although efforts to reach an organizer that was part of the earlier decision to cancel the event were unsuccessful by the time we published, that group did post December 31 on Facebook in response to their controversial decision that they chose not to hold the event because “[w]e failed to have the type of collaboration needed to be inclusive of some of the most underrepresented voices in our community, namely, women of color and people who are gender non-conforming.”
The post went on to quote the President of the Eureka NAACP Chapter, Sharrone Blanck as saying, “I think it was a great decision to postpone the march because it did not reflect the community the way the organizers see the community. They want to do it right. That means the organizers want to build relationships with the larger community of women so that the march actually reflects the diversity of experiences of women in Humboldt County. The organizers checked themselves. They want to do it right, not just have a march.”
A story about the cancellation in the Los Angeles Times yesterday quotes Robyn Moreno, a support of the Justice for Josiah movement, as saying she boycotted the last two marches. Moreno told them, ““I am angered when I see thousands coming together to protect their rights but don’t make any effort to listen to people of color when they are telling them that the march is exclusive and not representative of people of color or the LGBTQ community…Nor do they show up any other day of the year to fight for the rampant racism within our community.”
Linda Atkins though felt that the Women’s March still needed to occur. “It shows that there are a lot of women out there willing to work together to build a better community, a better world, and show we won’t be ignored,” Atkins said. “I hope we can…look towards our power as women and march together towards our future.”
With thousands of participants over the last two years pouring into Eureka to march side by side to start political and social change, January’s Women’s March, in spite of its late start, could still be quite large by this area’s standards. Atkins said the march will need everything from monitors to walk with the marchers to trash collectors to pick up afterwards.
If anyone would like to help in any capacity, they can contact Atkins at her email: [email protected]
Last year’s organizers did not respond for comment before this story was posted. We’ll update when we get a response.
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Hahahahahahahaha
I hear Donald Trump going to be there in drag with a pink hat on with Mickey Mouse ears and a pink tutu he’s going to sing my mama don’t love me because my brain is a sieve
direct action well be needed to stop a rogue government they have not been looking out for the people best interest for a long time the corporate agenda and taking down of the middle-class do you think it’s a mistake it is more likely that people well not gather and make a stand when they can’t figure out how to get their next meal do you believe in their job’s report the manipulation of money through the Federal Reserve and bagsters all over the world a lot of that is tumbling and who is going to pay for it a time is going to come when we need to go out on the streets like the yellow vest doesn’t matter what color we wear the need for standing up together for each other the scientist say we only have so much time to move in positive directions there is a lot of people already hungry in the United States and there is plenty of food which might not be true with climate change knocking at our doors as we as human set idly by and let the corporation’s lead
The yellow vest movement has branched off into a yellow vest woman’s peace movement denouncing violence but still demanding change in solidarity with women all over the world the yellow pink and green with a white dove carrying an olive branch where the women go the men will follow
Why aren’t they wearing their true UN NWO blue colors to match their slogans and logos? Isn’t it wrong to steal another’s intellectual property rights?
More and more original yellow vests who demand peace by ending the corrupt globalism are popping up too.
the Beatdown still happens and media suppression nothing to see here attitude I don’t think it’s about intellectual property rights it’s more about getting human rights back in a moral way because the morality has been stolen demanding to get it back in a nonviolent way give them more credibility and I agree about the corrupt globalism and World banking Networks a lot of that started here with the Federal Reserve and the Rothschilds the yellow vester’s started as many different factions which gives them more strength
i have a idea. instead of bitching and complaining blocking traffic and be a problem for others, lets try to be supportive and do something constructive. like go clean a city park or the water front or do something positive. but this wont happen.this crowd would rather eat bitch and point the finger than help others . i hope it rains. lol
We need to keep a list. Who makes us look bad to national media? Who makes us look good?
Who is gonna cook dinner and wash the dishes if they’re all out there marching around wearing funny hats?
Now THAT is funny! ?
That IS funny!
Wow,
I thought that was funny back in 7th grade. . . before I learned to cook. . . before I learned to take care of myself and raised some kids. I kind of know why I thought it was funny. It had to do with not being very responsible for my own well being and just assuming that my gender defined me.
It never occurred to me until today that anyone would think that was funny, still.
Much gratitude to everyone who has cooked me a good meal in the past ~50 years.
Bear in mind that what others find humorous will usually have absolutely nothing to do with your life experiences, and I just don’t envision many folks checking with you before they share a laugh. I mean, we could, but you’d probably just lecture us anyway. Good night everybody. Drive safely.
Thank you Eyeball. I got that it was just a joke. If only more people saw the humour in things. What a world that would be!
Except how many times did you think someone on the internet must be making a joke or being sarcastic but it turned out they were serious, very serious?
It was funny then and it’s still funny. C’mon gals, lets hear some man jokes.
No, I don’t think it’s funny. Leah Pritchet drives a race car at speeds over 300mph in less than 4 seconds. Want to give it a try? In auto racing, there are no women’s and men’s division. You want to drive fast, do it, man or woman. The Panama canal was recently widened to allow the biggest container / cargo ships to pass through. Two women were in charge, one the Chief engineer, the other the lead designer of new huge locks which are being checked out by other canals around the world. The nuclear submarine general manager under construction is a woman. I can’t remember the name of the sub, but she ran the show, she was in charge. Doctors, lawyers, scientist, anything she wants, she can do. Women go into space. They operate the biggest equipment in the world, from remote tar sand fields to downtown huge cranes in the city. Everyone does domestic chores, even me. Speaking of domestic chores, I have a story about that. in 1971, I was in Jr. college. The women’s movement was in full swing, and I was watching. My mom had called me in the morning to ask if i would come over in the afternoon and change the oil on my dads car, as she did not like him doing it anymore. So I went over and did it, plus I got in a load of laundry, and a meal. After dinner, I was watching a ball game with my dad. He was drinking lemonade and he ran out. So I see him pick up his glass and rattle the ice cubes in it. Seconds later, in comes my mom and fills his glass. What what what? No no no. So I get up and go out to the kitchen and ask my mom why he cannot get his own lemonade? You are not a slave mom. Ohhhh, she said. At this point I knew i was fucked. She said come here, I watched as she opened the bottom cabinet door, push a button, and both drawers slid out, so she could easily get her cooking utensils. She said she did not ask dad to put these in. All she said one day was, it would sure be nice not to have to get down on my knees to get my pans. She told me in less than a week, this system was put in. Then she said, Mr, I am nobodies slave, or servant, or anything else but a full partner in this marriage. I have a job, my own money, savings and checking accounts in my name only, my own car, and anything else I want. He brings the paycheck home every payday and signs it over to me to run the marriage and the house. I can leave and be on my own anytime I want, but why would I? He is so good to me, and has never let this family down. I am in this because i want to be, not because someone married me off to him. My life’s choice’s are made by me, it is not up to others to choose for me how I should be. Obviously, she had been watching the women’s movement also, did not seem impressed. I do not think most of the women mentioned above are either.
Leave it to a white woman politician occupying stolen Wiyot Land to ignore the need for indigenous leadership and push her oppressive colonizer superiority. 1492 – 2019 White Supremacy is alive and well.
How does putting people down ever raise anyone up?
Leave it to a non white person to make every little thing about race.
Just like anti-Semitism. And a similar timeframe (OK think. THINK…).
A member of another oppressed group (who looks white) was in the room when the judgment hammer came down on diversity. Excluded. Now she’s not marching at all.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/27/opinion/letters/anti-semitism-womens-march.html
The national organization sneezes, the Humboldt Women’s March catches a cold.
Haha!
Thank you, Linda!
bunch of sandwhiches and no one to eat them.
next will be photos from differant angles claiming more than showed up.with extra of the tolken of differant races. not to mention the childrens photos exploited to bolster a cause they know little to nothing about ….. same o situation same o song and dance.
Eureka Police Chief said 8000 for the first one. I don’t know that he has a lot to gain by making it seem larger than it was…I think the numbers for the second came from EPD also.
maybe justifying ot hours for his officers ? just a thought
Possibly or…there just were a lot of people. I know many people personally who were there both times and all of them remarked on the large number present. It seems to me most likely that there were a large number there.
I went last year. I was heartened by the turnout. Especially the number of men who were there?
I seem to recall that, before they banned drinking at the Fourth of July festival in Old Town, something like ten thousand people would show up. Two Street, from C to G would be a solid mass of people, C,D,E,F, and G were crowded both ways from Two St., and Third was busy. That’s ten thousand.
I was working on the third floor of a building along the route last year, and watched the people go by. They pretty much filled the street for about a minute and a half, then were gone. I’d guess a tenth of the old Fourth of July crowd? Certainly nowhere near eight thousand.
Last year wasn’t supposed to be 8000. It was supposed to be about 4000
I guess it really doesn’t matter. If you have to have “inspirational” speakers, a parade permit, etc, then you’re not really dealing with a bunch of fired-up people, are you?
“Look at me, look at me.”
Meanwhile, the world carries on…
I go to a number of events every year and i am a geek for size of crowds i am in. No way last years was 8000. Probably 3000. The bill graham civic auditorium holds 85 at capacity.. Ive been in there 60 to 70 times at general admission shows where only the stage does not have patrons and that is way more people. Way way way more than the eureka womens march.
Just to be clear again. No one in authority nor did I say there were 8000 at last year’s march. My article from last year states, “Yesterday, 4000 to 5000 people showed up to participate in the Eureka Women’s March, according to an estimate by Police Chief Steve Watson.”
Thank you Kym for that information. I hope they have a good turnout. ??
No matter what it is the racist blacks that will always throw color into everything. This is about women not color or race. But the blacks always want everything to be about them. I’ve seen this same thing happen in many other advocacy groups.
KIDDZZ ,Now THATS funny.
I think that’s the point of an advocacy group.
True.
Do you really think one person represents the views of millions?
Sometimes they do.
yep just like President Trump
Don’t you mean President Adderall Up His Nose? ??
P.S. – SNIFF, SNIFF, SNIFF…
Seems that on this website you are someone who can be counted on to throw color into the comments.
The pot calling the kettle?
“The blacks?” Really?
Why not? The “whites” were considered the original problem.
“…the blacks…” WTF?!? Your racism is showing, Aryan princess. ????.
Try posting something next time that doesn’t make you sound like a neo-Nazi.
I am so pleased that this is back on the calendar. I was planning to march anyhow? even if it was just me and a couple of friends. SEE YOU ALL ON THE 19TH?
See ya there!
I am soooo happy I am all teary – eyed. As much as anything, for me anyway, it’s a time to celebrate. Look how far we’ve come. 127 women now hold seats in Congress! Here’s one of them.
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/11/06/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-congressional-election.html
Would that be the one who couldn’t name the 3 branches of government after being elected to an office in one of those 3 branches? These things will happen when you sideline evidence and reason and base your decisions on identity politics. Pathetic
Yes Cortez is also the one that’s pushing for 70%plus taxes to pay for all the free programs she promised her constituents. Even though if everyone who pays taxes now paid 70% it wouldn’t even pay for Single Payer Health Care, let alone free tuition and everything else she promised.
You left out the part where the 70% tax would only be on the wealthiest….you know, the ones who skim all the cream earned by the actual labor of others and the exploitation of natural resources that belong to us all.?
It sounds apparent that you’re not aware of how they transfer their funds.
Foundations, shell companies, blablabla.
It also might help to do a basic search for who the ‘wealthiest’ are. Hint: They’re the ones who have been violating the trust of the tax payers and the lives of the people world wide.
If you were aware, & you still feel we should be donating more to them, well, then, I apologize for assuming you weren’t aware.
You mean the ones that are already paying 90% of America’s taxes?
Single-payer Health care reduces costs by allowing the government to negotiate prices. Her tax plan’s top tax bracket applies to less than one percent of the population.
I believe the greatest threat America faces is the over-concentration of wealth in too small a plutocratic class. This is decadence, and its what topples empires.
Even with a projected Savings of 2 trillion dollars every 10 years, it would still cost almost four trillion dollars a year to implement.
I haven’t heard Rep. Ocasio-Cortez say she supports a 70% tax rate for anyone. I have heard her talk about reinstituting a progressive taxation system in the United States, which we had until the 1980s. And even then she’s only been talking about relatively high rates of taxation after $10,000,000 of earnings in a single year, which means relatively low tax rates on your favorite professional athlete’s annual salary until they start making over $10,000,000 annually. So if they’re making $15,000,000 annually, then that extra $5,000,000 in any given year would be taxed at a higher rate AS IT SHOULD BE!
And if that progressive taxation becomes a hardship for Tom Brady ?, etc. they can always make up the difference with an additional endorsement deal, etc.
hahaha this has to be a joke
Excellent news. Thank you, Linda Atkins and friends.
surprise surprise surprise!
Hope all the whiteness doesn’t blind a political agenda! There will be no pictures with the flash on? How about a march in Alaska!
Glad it’s back on! Never should they have considered cancelling it.
It’s a different group organizing it.
Cancelling it is not the solution. Glad its back on.
Congress is a total freak show, why not this? Get those v-hats on now ladies, cause that is how you show you are serious. Make sure to cuss like the womyn in the new House, too, and carry a Quran around to look “religious.” Invite Kim Bergel and her sanctuary buddies at the border. I am positive they love and respect women. When they are not killing them.
This is what America is all about – inclusion – unless you are male. And white. And a founder. And heroes who created this nation. And most of us.
‘IF we take a survey of ages and of countries, we shall find the women, almost-without exception-at all times and in all places, adored and oppressed. ‘ Thomas Paine 1775
That was 1775. What right is a women inntheus lacking today? We know that the gender pay gap is nothing buy an artifact of bad statistics.
Do you trust Pew Research?
https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/04/09/gender-pay-gap-facts/%3famp=1
trust or not. none of these things matter. if you take things out of context you can make thing look any way you want
Even in that Jorden Petersen video you guys were posting, he cops to there being a real gender pay gap. He blames it on women being too timid to ask for a raise and men being more self sacrificing. No evidence for those claims, of course.
everybody gets discriminated no matter what. men that try to get a nanny job get discriminated. life is not fair and it is not supposed to be
Yeah -white guys who whine about being discriminated against. Obnoxious men who try to get laid. Rich people who just can’t find good servants these days.
I’ve seen one instance in which white men with status are discriminated against with any consistency: taking care of small children in public spaces attracts a large number of relatively well off older women asking “Where IS that child’s mother?”
Men who think that everything that isn’t about them is against them, must live in a really small box.
Self-pity always sounds pathetic coming from a grown man. Especially when they are the President of the United States.
Don’t you mean Thomas Jefferson’s Koran? I guess you must hate America. ??
Just like Putin’s Puppet President. ???️♂️
P.S. – It’s almost MUELLER TIME! ?⚖️
Well, let’s hope that they get enough ethnic variety to make them feel warm and fuzzy.
How stupid is it that they cancelled to add more diversity? If no one of other races wanted to be there, then let them be. Don’t waste all the other protesters time trying to “Jehovah witness” more people into coming. How about do the protest and if your cause is worth a damn more interested parties will join.
you fools cant you see it was a ploy to get attention? oh poor poor me …. no body wants me im so neglected what do you wanna bet all the mainstream media shows up? huh anyone wanna make that bet? lol
Attention for whom?
[edit: If you want to disagree on the issues, do. Don’t just sneer, please.]
No, because the illegal immigrants don’t have any money
no they have money but they send all their extra back to their country of origin and at a cheaper price, just go look at how it cost more to send money via western union to anybody inside the u.s. and less if you are sending it to Mexico or the Philippines, i was astonished when i saw it up on the chart at the local safeway
You’d think, if all the marchers were sincere, that it wouldn’t matter if it was “organized”, or not. If there was a real beef, people would be showing up just to make a point.
That’s what a real protest is about.
Fuck the parade permits.
You got a beef, it ain’t gonna wait ’til Jan. 19. Say something about it now. An organized protest is nothing but a bunch of “look at me” bullshit.
You want to make a difference? Start being different. Work harder. Be stronger. Have the right ideas. Follow them through (practical, solve a real-world problem, not just a “what reason can I come up with to feel butt-hurt problem” ideas).
Make a difference in everyone’s lives, not just your little clique that feels “disenfranchised”, in the richest, most open, most “inclusive” society ever known to man. Quit looking at what you think you should have, and expecting others to give it to you. Recognize that, compared to just about anywhere else, you’ve got more freedom, opportunity, and resources to do far more than you could in just about any other country, with less “oppression”; get off your asses, quit protesting, and make a difference!
You want respect? That’s how you get it – not by parading around in pussy hats, talking about how the very people that built a country where you can act so…crazily… are the ones who are the cause of all your problems.
Jeezus.
well said
couldnt agree more!!!!
Protesting is making a difference.
“I have always strenuously supported the right of every man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it.”
Thomas Paine
I’m left to wonder what mechanism is in place which convinces a group of women that parading around in pussy hats while blaming white men for all their problems is going to sway said white men’s opinion in a direction more favorable to them.
As if white men in general had an opinion unfavorable to them, to begin with.
Every time I see one of those pussy get-ups I’m reminded of Early Cuyler’s dick hat. Not exactly respect engendering.
Oh, hell – I said, “gender.” Don’t start.
Oh dear. I’m sorry that I did not make myself clear. The point is not to get men’s respect but to live your own life without men’s approval being required.
if male approval doesnt matter to you, why do you so desperatly seek it or give rats ass what males think ?
Blaming white men is so last election cycle. Everyone knows it’s the white women oppressing us now.
Actually, blaming Latinos FOR EVERYTHING is so last election cycle. BLUE WAVE, BABY!?????
Keep up that brilliant strategy, Republikkkans. It’s been working SO WELL for you!
LMFAO!! ???????
# Stephen Miller’s Painted Hair
Supporting womens’ rights does not equal a lack of support for men. We are women, but also sisters who love our brothers. We’re mothers of sons, and daughters of fathers. We love our husbands and partners. And we march to support our sisters.
This event does not subtract from the love and attention others need and deserve. On the contrary, it can be a useful way to connect face-to-face, person-to-person, and discuss issues, instead of having our conversations filtered through corporate social media.
Come join us!
Damn. You kind of threw me off kilter for a minute. A reasonable voice is not to be ignored.
I don’t know who the hell you are, but I may just show up there, because of you.
It could be interesting.
noooooo
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The comment about to many whites and not enough diversity caught my eye. It sounded racist to me.
Had it had mostly women of color, l doubt they would have said, due to mostly blacks we are canceling.
Just March. The color doesn’t matter.
Racism has been conveniently redefined by some as only apply to what the majority does. Therefore a non white in a majority white culture can never be a racist while expressing the exact same thoughts that they condemn as racism in white people.
It’s sad because the guy who came up with the notion of societal racism vs individual racism did not at all intend for the notion of individual racism to be cast aside. The misunderstanding is a result of bad teachers.
What they did was to assign “racism” to that which is systemic and “bigotry” to that which is individual. I don’t know who decided that, but I don’t have a problem with it.
“Racial prejudice” and “racism” are two different things. [Edit: Just to be clear. Insulting other commenters will get you deleted] Just asking.
P.S. – Jefferson Davis was evil. (Does that need explaining too? God I hope not. Please!)
get another fix of that FaceBook junk.
HAHAHA!
Putin chortles.
I’ll be there.
The women who have organized the Eureka Women’s March to date are caring citizens who want to do their best! I know first hand.
Yet. I think we can only invite and open doors and welcome and send out invitations (personally and publicly), then, at some point, the invited people show up or they don’t. I can carry forward then, knowing I have done my best to, like in this case, create a more diverse, ‘representative’ presence among speakers, etc.
It’s a bit like consensus. Some people will exploit it to control things. Maybe that’s a bit of what happened here.
That said, I know the Women’s March organizers (2016-2018) believe that they didn’t do enough to make a more diverse event. Don’t know if I believe it, or if there is in fact some whiney people upsetting an otherwise valiant effort.
Finally an intelligent response to a nonsensical decision. Thank you Linda Atkins.
Please don’t take this question the wrong way, but if the organizers are looking to pull in other ethnic groups and other, (lack of a better word) civil agendas, why is it still called Women’s March? Shouldn’t the name include the other groups the March supporters want to represent?
Again, I mean no disrespect.
I find it ironic that some of the people who have created an environment where a person feels they must beg forgiveness before and after asking a simple question are the same who, in their ‘teens and twenties, lived by the motto, “Question Authority.”
I ask the tyrants questions i know the answers to just to watch the Blanck look on their face.
Based on the images from last year, the march was more of an anti Trump event than a pro woman one.
The original event was planned in response to the misogyny which had been in play in the 2016 election, including, but not limited, to Trump and the revelations about him.
These type of dynamics are par for the course in progressive circles, and a major reason I left their ranks years ago.
Inclusion is a good idea, but it all seems a “tad” funny to me, especially considering that “colored women/women of color” generally don’t even like white women anyways.
Well so it goes.
Hopefully they can get their rocks off against the road paving, building making patriarchy
I can just see the obedient, progressive men now, going to support their non-harem.
Good boy! Support the new breadwinners!
At least for one day, the bums and office drones won’t run old town..
Namaste
I have seen no evidence that “generally” women of color “don’t even like white women.” I’ve seen a few examples. Very few.
i just thought i would let you all know that womens rights, like the right to vote, was advocated by white men (in the majority). in fact most women (the majority) didnt want the right to vote because voting wasnt a right back then. if you had the right to vote you had to sign up for the draft and firefighting duties but white men said women could vote and did not have to sign up for those duties. you are welcome
You are wrong. If women relied on the gracious tolerance of men to accede to women’s requests to get the vote, it would have existed at the same rate men were enfranchised and there would have no suffragettes. It took many long years of suffering violence and ridicule before women garnered enough support (and I suspect that mostly because of some long forgotten political want that women could fulfill like votes for the Temperance movement) to get to vote.
They are right. Go read.
Your Creator gives you your rights. Congress gives you benefit/privileges.
Sovereigns have rights. Citizens have benefit/privilege$
Elector – owns land.
Voter – REGISters in the dilapidated system of wishing and hoping and dreaming and praying.
The present-day delusion is an attempt to enrich everyone at the expense of everyone else; to make plunder universal under the pretense of organizing it.
CIA Director William Casey, Reagan Administration 1981-1987 “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false”.
IN 1895 the women of Massachusetts were asked by the state whether they wished the suffrage. Of the 575,000 voting women in the state, only 22,204 cared for it enough to deposit in a ballot box an affirmative answer to this question. That is, in round numbers, less than four per cent wished to vote;
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1903/09/why-women-do-not-wish-the-suffrage/306616/
Tell that to my great grandmother who marched for woman sufferage?
why i didnt say anything bad or good about your grandmother all i said was white men gave women the right to vote
How were women supposed to vote to give themselves a vote, if they couldn’t vote? They had to convince men. How did they convince men? Protests and demonstrations.
well you have a point and i am not arguing that. what i read though was that susan b anthony talked to a republican representative from california while on a train ride with him and he wrote up a bill for womens rights to vote. so to answer your question all they would have had to do is talk to their representatives
I’m not an expert and I’m too lazy to research it but I think women were “given” the vote in Wyoming territory because there weren’t enough male voters to qualify for statehood.
If I’m wrong, I apologize and would appreciate correction from someone more knowledgeable.
Here’s an article: https://www.wyohistory.org/encyclopedia/right-choice-wrong-reasons-wyoming-women-win-right-vote
Here’s the reasons offered:
Thanks Kym! You’re still a teacher. Appreciate you and your crew.
Still a teacher… I should have known.
You are referring stats given in a 1903 article in the Atlantic (by a man) https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1903/09/why-women-do-not-wish-the-suffrage/306616/
Women like men tend to vote in fairly low percentages. Can you show me where the right to vote meant draft and firefighting?
sorry Kym i was wrong. what i should have said is men did those things but then there were women firefighters just a small percentage. men probably felt it was their right to vote since they were the ones protecting those decisions
Well, I strongly disagreed with the decision to cancel the march at the last minute. It’s kind of typical of the left to find a way to defeat itself when it reaches any level of success, and the 2016 rally was the largest rally in Humboldt history with last year’s being the third (after the protest of the pending Iraq War in 2003). It seemed to me that the lack of diversity in the organizing committee should have been addressed in August, or last year, or the year before, instead of waiting until 3 weeks before the event and cancelling, but as I don’t know the internal history I’m withdrawing my prior judgment. I was unclear as to whether and women of color had asked for the event’s cancellation, and now it puts pressure on them to participate (even though many of the local leaders of color are already very busy with other things) lest the failure of the future event is put on them. Now they have to break away from whatever they were doing, or have the non-diverse organizing group continue to fret over their lack of diversity.
I don’t know what I think about pushing the march forward at this point. I greatly respect Linda and her leadership, and I know she will take a lot of flack for this. Will this march energize or cement division? I don’t know.
Anyway, it’s a women’s event so I will leave most of the discussion about how they should organize to the women who have taken up the organizing and invested in it. If I can make it, I will show up in support of whatever anybody organizes.
But I do think we need to take a closer look at where our politics are going. I’ve been organizing for 40 years now, and the Monty Pythonesque sectarianism and accusatory politics is ever present and ever demoralizing. I think I’m in the burnout cycle right now.
I’m sure this comment will make somebody somewhere angry. Apologies in advance.
I appreciate the honesty Kirk & your observations seem fair, considering both sides of our current civil war traffic in bloody identity politics, almost constantly
I’ll second that ^^^
Don’t they realize if less than 3% of their participants were gender non-conforming they would have an extremely accurate representation of the percentage of people in the country( let alone Humboldt County)that identify as such. And that a accurate representation of local diversity would include over 80% white women…
I wouldn’t have any problem with minorities demanding a larger influence even with a smaller demographic. It could be their need is greater to counteract their their smaller numbers to achieve the same goal. What is very wrong is to drag the whole organization into public ineffectiveness because over the demands. That’s just ugly.
You are obviously a victim of white guilt.
no they do make a good point. we do want minorities to be represented for sure, that is why we have electoral colleges, but the funny part is i would go out on a limb and say the majority of the people that would show up to support this anti trump rally are probably the ones who want to get rid of electoral colleges
but if they dont have at least one attack helio then ……
What a joke. Sorry. I have always supported and participated in the Women’s marches. I did it for all women and colors all backgrounds. Women, period. My lily white ass won’t be there because I guess I’m just not good enough and as a white woman I have no idea what it means to be prejudiced against, demoralized, treated less than a man, been hated because I’m white. Oh wait! Isn’t that what’s happening now. Good luck.
This is a different organization putting it together. And they apparently feel that the diversity issue is not as important as the march so wouldn’t it be a good idea to support the march this year to show that you agree with the new organizers?
It would be, but unfortunately I have made other plans and am no longer interested. I’m sure they will do just fine without me. Will you be there?
I haven’t decided if I personally will be there or I will be sending a reporter. Unfortunately, if I go, no one else monitors the rest of the news–a problem with being an extremely small news organization.
On the bright side you’ll probably have an enormous number of comments to moderate that day. 😉
Thanks for keeping the comments section going.
“As a catalyst for change, Women’s Marches across the nation provided a stepping stone that helped propel women’s issues to a forefront these last two years.”
What change. What women’s issues? They are antitrump rallies, not women’s rights marches. What right are women lacking? Women have every right that meme have plus extra reproductive rights.
You are correct. This is a anti trump march. Nothing more nothing less. I hope it pours rain. We need the rain??
I think that many of the marchers felt that while society as a whole had been moving towards women’s equality, the election of President Trump sent a signal that maybe high tide had been reached and if the community didn’t step forward and protest, that the tide would turn.
that assumption was based off of nothing unless you are referring to the locker room talk with billy bush where trump asked billy hypothetically if he could just walk up and grab women. now i ask you has Trump done anything against womens equality?
Wellllllll…if we just put aside his administration’s methodical push back against Pro Choice which is an enormous concern to many women–One of my personal favorites was his statement that women who seek abortion should be punished. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/31/us/politics/donald-trump-abortion.html Luckily, the protests were so immediate and so strong he had to walk that back. His picks to the Supreme Court reinforce an anti reproduction rights stance.
And remember his judicial picks will affect the law for a long time to come–one of whom had a sexual assault allegation against him. The same sort of assault that women, like me, say happens frequently and just as frequently goes unreported because society isn’t very kind to those who try to report what happened.
Trump himself admits to sexual assault on tape.
His administration did things that many women felt attacked them like tried to quash a world wide initiative to promote breastfeeding.
But I think his most frightening effect has been his continued denigration of women and the way women feel that has affected their experience in society. His lack of respect for women is unpleasant to look at and listen to by themselves but that he was elected even with this attitude makes many women afraid.
yet hilary blamed the 12 year old rape victim to get her client off.
She was an appointed public defender. She would have lost her license to practice law if she had thrown the case. That’s how the law works.
Besides that, she could have been throwing a potentially innocent man under the bus. Her job wasn’t to decide whether he was innocent but how to defend him as if he were innocent.
Really? After the remarks about the Ford/Kavanaugh allegations made about believing “Ford’s credible statements” without any corroboration?
Anyway if anyone is interested Hillary Clinton’s interview is available from this link- https://freebeacon.com/politics/audio-hillary-clinton-speaks-of-defense-of-child-rapist-in-newly-unearthed-tapes/ The part that shows her own opinion of the man she defended was the part where she says she had the defendant take a polygraph test, which he passed and it forever destroyed her faith in polygraghs.
Do I believe the man was innocent? No. Did Hillary? Apparently not. But her job was to defend him as if he was.
oh so she was just doing her job then …. and her job was so important that she needed to blame a 12 year little girl that was raped. how nice. But she did not have any problem not doing her job when she was SoS to answer the phone and give orders that woud have saved lives . no instead she said ” who answers the phone at 3am anyway” i say i dont know maybe the person responsible for the safety and welfare of our men and women who are fighting for their lifes to defend a person appointed by the then presidant obama to represant our nation overseas. That must have been to much for her to do for her job answer a phone and make a call sending resources, but blame a 12 year old little girl that was a victim of rape…… childs play for her.
The point I keep trying to make is not whether an attorney is immoral for defending someone they know to be guilty (however mildly pointing out that “I was only following orders” did not work at the Nuremberg trials) but that way, way too many times people apply the same behavior standards to politicians whose positions are similar to their own to absolve them and yet apply the same standards to condemn just because they don’t agree with their other views. It just makes no sense.
As long as we have an adversarial trial system, Hillary didn’t have any choice because our system depends on a defendant being able to defend him/herself that means they have to have a competent lawyer.
Frankly, speaking of the Nuremberg trials and following superior officers, as long as we have a military that depends on a system of punishing people who disobey orders then we shouldn’t be punishing people that obey them even if in hindsight we think those orders were wrong. That’s a terrible mess to put anyone in. And it is only likely to weaken society.
To be clear, my solution isn’t to change the rules that people are responsible for their actions but to change the military’s rules. I doubt that will go over well but I think if you want a stronger society, you need to teach people and reward them for thinking about what is moral and right–not about obedience. I don’t have the total solution but it seems that a person could be expected to obey orders but if they disobeyed them would be able to present a defense about why they made a superior moral decision and any judge would do well to lean towards leniency.
First she was assigned to a case. She tried not to take it. But she was told to do so. After that, it was her job under our legal system to do her best to defend him. Until you change our adversarial system, we MUST have lawyers to defend clients accused of even the most heinous and obviously provable acts. It is pretty hard to defend someone while accepting as true everything that an accuser says. A defense lawyer has to challenge the words of the alleged victim.
Second, while she was his attorney, HE PLED GUILTY. Here’s Snopes: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/
If your son was accused of rape, you would want his defense attorney to present a rigorous defense and that would have to include questioning what the alleged victim said.
That poor girl must have gone through hell and I sympathize with her but it was Clinton’s job to defend her client.
On the other hand, it wasn’t Trump’s job to talk about grabbing women by their most private and vulnerable areas. Somehow it seems as if your statement is trying to say all these things women are concerned about Trump don’t matter because Clinton did her job as a defense attorney.
I am not a huge Hilary fan but here are a few of her accomplishments that make women feel safer:
that talk was behind closed doors and he wasnt doing for a job
i understand what you say about it was her job and if she didnt do it she might not be where she is today.
buuuut i dont agree with the whole well it was my job excuse. now you could argue that she didnt know if the girl was a victim or a liar.
wrong is wrong
No. A judge’s job is be impartial. A prosecutor’s job is to find all the reasons that the accused might be guilty. The defense attorney’s job is to find all the reasons why the accused might not be guilty. The defense attorney MUST absolutely to the best of their ability while staying within the law defend their client. The judicial system that we have set up doesn’t work any other way. Are there better ways? Yes. But we don’t operate under them.
AntiChrist @ January 6, 2019 10:26 am,
That’s because, allegedly, she knew the plan 10 days in advance.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-defense-state-department-documents-reveal-obama-administration-knew-that-al-qaeda-terrorists-had-planned-benghazi-attack-10-days-in-advance/
i cant read the one about breastfeeding. but i will argue that it should not be a womans right to kill a baby (abortion). and i know there are women that feel my way too. killing is wrong. and the sexual assault your refer to is taken out of context. you have no idea what he said before that (kissing pretty women) and the grab the pussy thing was a question not a fact. it was billy bush trying to one up trump on womens attraction to them
all that being said i would like to point out that i am not against birth control. but that is different, birth control stops the egg from staying viable
Forced pregnancy is sex slavery. Choose your poison, government occupation of Women’s bodies or safe access to a sometimes nessessary medical procedure.
Kym i dont believe that kissing someone is sexual assault. i believe it is sexual advances. if i tried to take someone to court and say they sexually assaulted me and the judge goes how did they sexually assault you? then i reply he kissed me, i think the judge would throw that out, unless he held me down and repeatedly kissed me. maybe
Does a kiss rise to the level of a penis insertion? No. But don’t go kissing people that don’t want it. And don’t grab them by their genitalia either.
Here’s what Donald Trump said, “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.”
He’s saying on tape that he doesn’t care whether the women he kisses wants him to do it or not. He just does it. He seems to be saying that he also grabs them by the pussy but he may be only saying that he could if he wanted to. In either case, he shows a lack of concern for women’s feelings that don’t make many of them feel safe with him in charge.
There is no way you can want to hang Trump for his sleazy locker room talk and gloss over Clinton’s aggressive defense of her husband’s many transgressions. “Over the years, the Clinton effort to cast doubt on the women included using words like “floozy,” “bimbo” and “stalker,” and raising questions about their motives. ” https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/us/politics/90s-scandals-threaten-to-erode-hillary-clintons-strength-with-women.html
A) I don’t want to hang Trump. I just don’t want him re-elected.
B) I can understand Hillary’s “Stand by Your Man” speeches but…I don’t like them. And I find it particularly unpleasant to blame the other woman but not your husband as in the Monica Lewinsky case. They never made a promise to her, he did. I do wish she would say something about Bill’s taking advantage of a young intern. It is possible to concede that the powerful should avoid sex with the young and the vulnerable without saying your husband is evil.
He said he c o u l d, not that he d i d.
He was letting Billy know, on Billy’s level in locker room speak, that the girl they were to be meeting was not a gold digger but instead a fine young Christian married woman with strong morals and commitment. He was informing Billy that Billy stood no chance so he best just behave himself. He stood up for the L A D Y.
While I’m here atm, I might as well post a link that talks about HRC’s finest Watergate ethics. https://www.wnd.com/2008/04/60962/
Oh my god…That so obvious. Why didn’t every woman who heard that immediately understand his gentlemanly behavior. Nancy O’Dell, the woman he was referring to, was so mistaken to be insulted when she said,
“Politics aside, I’m saddened that these comments still exist in our society at all,” she wrote. “When I heard the comments yesterday, it was disappointing to hear such objectification of women. The conversation needs to change because no female, no person, should be the subject of such crass comments, whether or not cameras are rolling. Everyone deserves respect no matter the setting or gender. As a woman who has worked very hard to establish her career, and as a mom, I feel I must speak out with the hope that as a society we will always strive to be better.”
(And to think Trump was a Newlywed when he “moved on” Nancy. I am sure Melania was thrilled that when they were first married he was wooing Nancy by taking her furniture shopping.)
And, Trump himself didn’t try to say he was defending a L A D Y. On Oct. 10, 2016, Trump said, “This was locker room talk. I am not proud of it. I apologize to my family, I apologize to the American people. Certainly, I am not proud of it. But this is locker room talk. … Yes, I am very embarrassed by it and I hate it, but it’s locker room talk and it’s one of those things.”
Look you can like Trump politically without having to defend his actions here. I like much of Bill Clinton’s work in politics but despise his behavior with women.
She’s right, it was a moronic conversation that took place in the past when that kind of talk was normal locker room talk due to all the gold diggers that sought men with wallets.
Times have indeed changed.
Trump obviously apologized. He felt bad. He didn’t continue that style of communicating.
Why do you not accept apologies and behavior changes? Why do you continue to hate over a past conversation that has no relation to the present conversations? Why do you continue to push hate against a person for their lack of maturity?
I agree that he shouldn’t have stooped to Billy’s level in order to communicate with Billy.
I agree that he should have apologized. (which he did, according to your own post).
I agree that he should never stoop that low again. (which, as far as I know, he hasn’t).
I don’t agree that clearing the air is a defense for any present wrong doings.
I don’t agree that clearing the air is a defense of any past wrong doings.
You have your own perspective, which agrees with the MSM.
Others have their own perspective, which doesn’t agree with the MSM.
Thank you for promoting your perspective onto others from a “journalists” platform.
2005 is not the Dark Ages. That behavior is in the fairly recent past. However…
I would accept Trump’s apology if his behavior over the years didn’t continually reinforce that he treats women badly. (And, if it looked more like he was sorry and less like he was fending off attacks.)
Here’s some of the things he has said over the years:
“You have to treat ’em like shit.” Trump talking generally about women. (New York magazine, Nov. 9, 1992)
When he bragged about pouring wine down women’s backs (A Brief History of Donald Trump Spitefully Pouring Wine Down Women’s Backs WM Magazine 2017)
The Megan Kelly “blood coming out of her whatever” remark (The Federalist 2015)
“If Hillary Clinton can’t satisfy her husband what makes her think she can satisfy America?” (Twitter, 2015) of which it might fairly be said of Trump and Russia that if he cheats so often on his wives, what makes you think he won’t cheat on America.
His opinion that women should leave their jobs if they are sexually harassed, rather than the harasser be asked to fix his behavior. (USA Today August 2016)
“I say that it’s a very scary time for young men in America, when you can be guilty of something that you may not be guilty of,” Trump replied. “This is a very difficult time.” Later, Trump was asked what message he had for young women, according to a pool report. Women, he said, “are doing great.” (Washington Post Oct 2018)
Those are just a few of the ones that show a lack of respect for women.
And as to me promoting my perspective onto others from a “journalists” platform —-In my posts I go out of my way to be neutral but I do have my opinions. This is the comment section, Shak. Why should you be allowed to express your opinion in my comment section but I not be allowed to…Is it because it differs from yours? Are you afraid of my opinions? Do they seem too scary for you to handle?
Unlike you, apparently, I believe in free speech and you are welcome to express your opinions here even when I feel your opinions are unsubstantiated wildass claims drug out of Alex Jones and sprayed on my website. It is only when your comments display outrageous bigotry do I ask you to not post them here. But if you were on your own website, I would just leave if I was so appalled that I couldn’t handle your arguments. And you are free to do that here.
January 6, 2019 9:26 pm Kym posted: “On Oct. 10, 2016, Trump said, “This was locker room talk. I am not proud of it. I apologize to my family, I apologize to the American people. Certainly, I am not proud of it. But this is locker room talk. … Yes, I am very embarrassed by it and I hate it, but it’s locker room talk and it’s one of those things.”
The conversation itself was focused on her defense from unwanted advancements, but media refuses to acknowledge that point.
Kym posted: “Trump himself didn’t try to say he was defending a L A D Y.”
Had the person in question had said “Just grab her by the p—y and she’ll follow you anywhere like any gold digger will”, then … yeh, that would have been beyond disgusting. But he didn’t. He instead told Billy not to waste his time on the beautiful lady (inside and out), she wasn’t up for ‘grabs’.
It is what it is.
Finally, quotes other than easily the usual debunked quote that everybody takes pleasure in arguing over.
I’ll have to spend a few days searching for retractions and for full context, but at least finally there is a lead.
The first quote takes us to the source of the quote, which is a person who is accused of allegedly producing material for media, then using the media’s articles as proof of whatever issue needs proof on.
Thank you for all the insults.
FWIW, I don’t follow AJ. He has had some interesting guests though, that I enjoy listening to now and then. (Binney, for instance).
I’m curious as to why you’re so hostile to questions or narratives that don’t agree with you? Are you not aware that people don’t always follow the herd especially when the herd seems too biased?
People have consistently asked for clarifications and info, only to be met with insults.
You provided links to sources that most find to be biased, but at least you linked them.
There used to be data bases to easily find all the retractions that every media has made, but I can’t seem to locate it atm. Do you have a handy link for the non-biased but totally fact based data base of retractions? Quotes in full contexts?
Your bias towards those who question is unsettling. But, it is what it is.
Trump was a playboy all his life in the old Hugh Hefner definition of playboy. That includes a hefty measure of not respecting women as a group. And being a self centered show off. I can’t argue that was largely untrue.
The bottom line is that I care more for the survival of the US (or at least of its republican segments of the Constitution) than I care for respect for any one group. At this moment, ordinary respectful behavior is so lost to the US population at large, especially with the liberals, that the only one capable of counteracting the fatal deconstruction of a runaway liberal tyranny is a person like Trump, who will give as good as he gets in the war of nasty the liberals have waged. It is of no worth to me have woman “respected” or treated with absolute equality if the only thing that is tolerated is to subscribe to a flawed agenda.
Trump is not my champion as I really don’t want one. But his battle with power hungry socialist bullies will hopefully maintain enough liberty that I and others like me can flourish without the Chinese style militant cultural revolution brutality.
funny when one watches daytime tv the amount of cat calling the female hosts and aduance members do towards ” hot” or “sexy” male guests. the double standard lives on and the message of special rights over equal rights has never been more present in presentation.
That is true. Some women do seem to see being free to make sleazy remarks about men as being equal. Which I suppose is somewhat true if your goal is to be equally bad. It certainly makes it hard to believe those same women when they are criticizing men for similar behavior even if it is clear that they think they are only being funny.
Long live having some principles but not applying those principles on case by case basis. It’s just hard to know what crosses the line when the line is drawn in so many different places.
Maybe you should stop watching trashy daytime tv. Of course its reinforcing your preconcieved ideas, you’re its target audience.
We marched in the rain before.
Hey ‘Dude’!
Wrong!
I was in a number of organizing meetings. And there was never an agenda that was ‘anti-trump’, per se.
The original organizers were purely (perhaps too purely) interested in supporting the empowerment of local women from all groups…. even white ones! Lol.
Male or female, you only have the rights that you can assert. If you don’t know your rights, you have none.
Let’s just take one simple example of inequality that is easy for everyone to see: The women’s soccer team. I’ll just quote a 2017 Forbes article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/11/28/soccers-ridiculous-gender-wage-gap-infographic/#621207eb7b08
“Despite bringing in more money than the men’s team, the U.S. women’s national soccer team is still paid nearly four times less.”
Let me repeat that:
“Despite bringing in more money than the men’s team, the U.S. women’s national soccer team is still paid nearly four times less.”
That’s just one example. If you can look around you in the world and not see more, then probably there is not anything I can do to open your eyes.
that article doesnt show any numbers on the amount of money they bring in. so i would like to see how the female team brings in more money, they just claim it and dont cite any sources. you know they dont pay college ball players and that is the real injustice, female or male
I don’t know but I suspect that neither U.S. national soccer team generates a profit.
The article you linked doesn’t give the info to verify or prove me wrong.
ahh i think i got it. they make more money off of the female team just because they dont pay them as much. so the net is probably more for the mens team. that would make sense and that would also be a good reason to pay the mens more. ok so if men bring in 100 dollars and they pay them 90 then they only make 10 dollars but if women bring in 20 dollars and they pay them 9 dollars then they make 11 dollars off of the women see how those numbers look different, the women make them more money but they bring in a lot less
Here’s an extremely detailed article that breaks it all down. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/sports/soccer/usmnt-uswnt-soccer-equal-pay.html Unfortunately, it may be behind a pay wall. Basic info: Men’s soccer does currently overall make more money for the organization though not in 2015. But women’s income is on the rise.
Repeat – Remember, this is not an economic evolution, it’s a spiritual one.
Let’s prove who makes the most doll hairs, as that will qualify them to be on the successful list.
if females were not willing to play for less they would get paid what the owners would have to pkay them to get them to play. personally i have never liked soccor games male or female so….neither team gets dollars from me.
now lets talk about females voting and not having to sign up for selective service ? or getting more college options than males who refuse to sign up for selective service ?
I have yet to see a female protest demanding that females be held to the same preformance standards as their male counterparts either. to me that would seem like fighting for equal treatment. yet to this day there are seperate performance standards for the same jobs based upon gender.
thats like saying we qant the male job but dont expect us to be able to perform it to the same standards or as well as our male counterparts.
but go a head wear your gender hats while crying about not being fairly treated. dont worry like always the males will pick up your slack and get he work done you skipped out on to marxh around wearing such things as pussy hats,and no dont worry we wont call you pussys for doing it.
Let’s talk about the Selective Service:…NO ONE should be forced to go kill or die in a war they don’t believe in.
I can’t speak for all women just as I certainly hope you don’t speak for all males but I think men and women should be held to the same standards. I just don’t think they currently are and neither do the majority of people who study gender issues. Do I believe that some feminists exaggerate and inflame? Yes. But…Some men do the same. Let’s not look to the outliers to get information. Let’s look at the facts as much as we can quantify them and if there is a problem, and in this case the vast majority of those who study such things say there is inequity, then let’s work to fix it.
And please remember that giving women equality doesn’t usually result in things as a whole getting worse for men. When women enter the workforce, there is more support for men spending time with their children. When women get paid more, their families benefit including their husbands. And when single women get paid more, they need less government assistance to raise healthy children. When women are equally represented in congress, hopefully the trend that women lawmakers are more bipartisan and willing to compromise would continue. (I’m not convinced it will but I’m hopeful.)
Kym, that would be nice if it worked that way. as a father of a daughter i truely hope no one ever attempts to hold her back because of her gender and as a father to her i encourage her to push herself and not limit her life choises because of her gender. however it has been my experance in 30 plus years in the work force that when females enter certain fields ,they dont attempt to do the job,but instead make excusses for not doing said job. I had female mechanics working for me that could not change tires. yet i was forced to keep them. i had female equipment operators working for me as well as truck drivers who had a higher rate of accidents than their male counter parts and to the last one when being repermanded they also attempted tonuse their gender as an excuess. anytime a deadline had to be met and overtime was required. it was always the females who complained the most and loudest and if pushed would merely call in sick. so while there maybe studies and stats what woman do once they get these jobs reflects on weither or not people will believe there truely is a problem. I have known females that i would love to have work for me hard as nails and tough as pitbulls, but they are few and far between.
Well, I don’t think I’m hard as nails or as tough as a pitbull. (Nor would I want to be a mechanic.) But I would have to say that I have seen an equal amount of male and female malingerers.
I would also say that when at the one job I had where I felt I was discriminated against, I attempted to bring up the fact that I felt I was bringing in more business and being paid less than my male counterparts and those in charge refused to discuss the issue.
We are all shaped by our experiences. And it is possible that you have had more than your fair share of female slackers. But, science points to a problem in inequality.
I assume you know your daughter wouldn’t be a slacker but if she is faced with a wall of inequality that she has to surmount, that puts her behind any son you might have…which really sucks for her.
Also, I want to add that my father was a heavy equipment operator and very hardworking. He was initially very against women working in his crew. He changed his mind and became a supporter of the ones he felt were hardworkers. He eventually got to the point that he withheld judgement until he had seen new female crewmembers at work for awhile. My personal opinion is that he was harder on the women than he was the men but I wasn’t there and didn’t see it. But I know he came to respect several of them highly.
Kym anybody will write anything that sells or has their own agenda behind it. luckily there was no pay wall but there also was no real numbers just a bias graph. this is not the facts
(Sponsorships and television revenue are not counted in game revenue calculations; Nike, Fox Sports and ESPN, for example, are “buying the crest,” in U.S. Soccer vernacular, not the rights to a single team.)
isnt this where most of the money is made?
in addition would it make sense to raise the pay immediately based off of a very quick upturn from a steady downturn? i wouldnt sign someone on a contract if their previous history was they were losing money
a very volatile market to invest in with pay contracts (womens soccer)
Looks like I was wrong.
Apparently both men’s and women’s teams make a profit.
Each also has an independently negotiated collective bargaining agreement.
I have a stats heavy science degree. Spent 3 months research the gender pay gap, reading peer reviewed papers. It’s a myth. With proper statistical analysis there is no gap.
http://amp.timeinc.net/time/3222543/wage-pay-gap-myth-feminism
actually men should be complaining because the stats are against them
Funny. I’ve never run into that.
it was meant to be over the top. hey i agree if women and men do the same job with the same amount of skill then sure they should be paid the same. but if men are better at something then they should get paid more and yes that generalizes things. so like if a man can lay more bricks and better quality in a faster time then he should get paid more (once again this generalizes everything, i know there is going to be one woman that is better at that than another man but i generalize all men and all women)
Not saying that we shouldn’t try and reward those who are better at a job but it is rarely just one thing thing that makes a good worker. Say one person lays the bricks faster but another who can more quickly discern that the mortar needs more water or another that makes the workplace more fun and generally adds a cheery attitude. If all or most of the bosses are men, they might tend to value the things that men, as a whole do better than women as a whole. Say a boss who was once very strong but can be abrasive might value a worker who is similar and not notice that the other worker smooths difficulties and minimizes waste. The job as a whole loses if only one type of worker is hired.
well my mechanics noticed how they had to take their calendars down change the terms used and were no longer to swear when they hit their knees or fingers. then several were accused of sexisim because they did not feel comfortable speaking around the female mechanics because they were so worried somwthing they might say would be taken the wrong way. adding female mechanics demoralised the shop and in turn all work suffered.
Goverment jobs are paid according to position and time on job performance or gender is never a factor as with many collective bargaining jobs.
female buisness owners get extra concideration when bidding on contracts as well and in some states their fees are reduced as well. if you cant find a job you like to include the pay as a female you have more options to start your own and hire or pay however you wish.
Well, oddly enough it makes many women feel odd when there are photos of nude women with a touch of grease on their nose and a monkey wrench in their hand looking submissive or sassy hanging on the wall. I don’t know what it is about women that makes them so unreasonable as to find the pure idiocy of those images (and I’m not against pornography being available to people privately) being in the workplace. I wonder if some of the men there are too uncomfortable to say that they wish that they didn’t have to look at someone else’s sexual fantasies in the workplace, too.
For god’s sakes, what if you hired a gay mechanic and he wanted to post photos of his fantasy on the wall, would you feel great about that? What about if one of the men there was really into tentacle sex (yes, that is a real thing) Do you want to see that? No, keep that sort of stuff at home and enjoy your fantasy without forcing it on others when they are trying to talk about a muffler not a muff.
(And hopefully, we are talking about these photos not being visible to customers because I’m pretty sure that isn’t going to go over well either.)
cheerleaders and swimsuites on muscle cars and tool boxes is hardly porn. but, you are right if it makes one person working there uncomfortable they must come down. now what replaced them ? nothing. because everything is offensive to someone. so yes they came down and yes it crashed morale but hey at least no one was offended. That is sort of my point. many females , not all but many dont just want a job and to be paid the same they want to come into a place and change the way it works. the laws are there. if i did not have all the posters and calenders removed i would be guilty and would have lost my company. it made it a place where my employees did not want to be. they used to hang out bs and we had great team enviorment. but that all changed. I feel that if someone wants to work in a place they should want to work there how it is. not well i like the work but those posters. i will get a job there and force everyone else to change to where i am comfortable type of crap. and saddly that is how many see females as they enter the traditional male jobs. they dont want to fit in and be one of the team they want thw job but they want everyone to change for them. at some point someone has got to ask where is the line ? at what point is it that one employee comfort is more important they the rest of the employees ? gender should not be tje deciding factor if truely we are not supposed to concider gender in our hiring practice.
If cheerleaders and swimsuits are all there was, then I guess I have to agree that it isn’t that big of deal. But very few women I know that are tough enough to be mechanics would sweat that. (If I was working there, I would have had to go out of my way to find something to add to the walls that mocked the calendars a bit.) As long as the woman is allowed to be herself, too, then I’d have to say that a few cheerleader photos seem harmless.
I’m surprised that anyone strong enough to have weathered the hostility a woman would usually get before becoming a full fledged mechanic would not just stick up a man in kilts calendar and move on.
what. ‘I’m surprised that anyone strong enough to have weathered the hostility a woman would usually get before becoming a full fledged mechanic’. umm yeah thats not even close. i took mechanics in college and we had one woman. can you guess why she was there? she really liked the attention and all the men helped teach her any time she needed help the men were more than happy to give her a hand. i think you should know this, i highly doubt she had a hard time or hostility. why do you assume she is the victim right off the bat? maybe next time you should ask before you assume
Well, I have been around a few women in my life and they have mentioned having a bit of hostility when they attempt to work in male dominated fields. But maybe your experience is indicative of the over all environment, not mine. But that doesn’t fit the stats.
Here’s just one article https://thetyee.ca/News/2015/12/18/Tradeswomen-Battle-Hostile-Culture/ oh, heck, how about this one. https://marfapublicradio.org/blog/building-success-at-last-women-are-carving-out-careers-in-construction/ or how about this one https://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/women-male-dominated-industries-and-occupations or this one http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/03/07/women-in-majority-male-workplaces-report-higher-rates-of-gender-discrimination/
I can remember working for AT&T when there was a test for a good paying job that included lifting a 60 lb wooden ladder over the head and putting it on the roof of the vehicle . Many women, otherwise capable of doing the job, were eliminated by that one requirement. The trouble was that the company had gone to aluminum ladders weighing half that much a generation ago. It was simply kept as a requirement for the purpose of eliminating women from qualifying for that job as most were shorter and couldn’t get that heavy ladder up on the rack. Other positions in the company had similar ‘tests’ of capability that kept women out of the better paying jobs. Just like at that time you never saw a man in the operators room, you never saw a woman in the switching room. Guess which paid better?
I can also remember one manager stop me from working to get a woman paid disability benefits by proving that she had earnings from a partnership with her husband, needed to to qualify, as all her work with her husband (and the business was selling a product she and only she made) was “done for love.” Those were his actual words to deny her benefits. That one was reversed by the Supreme Court.
I also can remember being refused permission to attend a Forest Service high school career day speech because I was told the US Government did not hire women as rangers.
Things have improved by leaps and bounds but don’t think there aren’t still lots of ways to sabotage women in jobs they are perfectly capable of doing.
in all reality there are jobs i can think of like babysitter, that a man cant get but i cant think of a job a woman cant get
I think most men get wrangled into doing that job from time to time. Maybe its just YOU nobody with a baby.
i wasnt referring to myself i was talking in general. if you must know i have babysat and raised others children for years at a time. but the truth is i see many job ads for babysitters and they say they want a woman only
I don’t think many women are wanted as sperm donors…(Sorry, I couldn’t resist. My sense of humor made me do it.)
Also women can’t be Catholic priests,
hahaha i like it. but yeah women can be egg donors. and women can be pastors (Trumps pastor is a woman) just not of the orthodox catholic religion, which by they way i dont agree with. i am against it in so many ways but my biggest grievance is idol worshiping
I don’t think there’s much practical difference between worshiping a physical object or an imaginary deity. “Idoliters” believe their god to be real, too.
President?
there are women presidents around the world and there is no law against it in the usa. there was even a woman leader in the bible. Deborah
Be still my heart, out of all the leaders there was one woman leader. The opportunities abound…(My sarcasm filter gets holes in it after dark.)
Look, there’s no law against men being babysitters. In fact there even are men babysitters. And there are no laws against women being presidents in the US but…to date…there hasn’t been a single one.
There are preferences in society that we can see. There are prejudices against male babysitters and women presidents of the US. We know there are differences but you were insinuating when you said there were jobs that men couldn’t get, that their lives are harder. But, men have been paid babysitters…Not one woman was ever a US President. By your own criteria, women have it worse.
But that way of looking at equality is not very helpful. Are men and women as a whole given equal opportunities? No.
Yes, opportunities are getting better for women but, as a whole, men still hold an advantage when male and females have equal skills. I’m not arguing that some men don’t have it worse than some women. Being born Ivanka Trump gives her an advantage over a male born to drug addicted parents in a ghetto. We understand that individual cases may differ. We’re talking about society as a whole. And those who study gender equality in large part agree that women don’t have the same access as men with the same skill set. That’s all. It’s simple.
What most feminists and I include myself in this want is a better world for everyone. If women’s lives are better, the lives of their sons, husbands, fathers, etc. will be better.
You asked “now i ask you has Trump done anything against womens equality?”
I told you why many women feel their rights and equality are unsafe under his administration. Some women don’t feel unsafe. That’s another story. But many women feel unsafe when their current reproductive rights are attacked. Trump’s administration attacks those.
sorry that we dont have common ground on this issue but i am all for birth control but i am against abortion i dont think it is a womans right to kill a baby and i think the one about breastfeeding is just about not funding something for outside the usa
Correct, he’s against sending more to a never audited org that demands a 0.07% GPA from every country no matter the financial stats of each country. Where does it all go? https://www.foreignassistance.gov/explore
Funny ain’t it how the Paris cops joined the Paris protests against the Globalists yet 8 weeks later we see ‘cops’ in uniforms tear gassing the protestors as they baton them. Who are those uniformed people r e a l l y? UN? Military? https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1081555779059105793 There’s over 21 countries fighting off the corrupt globalists through protesting, yet the MSM is either totally silent, or they report false narrative. (gas prices, capitalism, blablabla).
They really want to change people’s minds, they need to offer peer-reviewed papers with decent statistical rigor, illustrating that there is actually inequality for women in the United States.
Do that and I’ll join the anti Trump rally since I already oppose Trump. I’m not wearing a vagina hat though.
People of color sounds so racist to my ear. It’s basically the same phrse as colored people. Besides my swedish ass is not clear. Peach, beige, pink, and tan are all colors.
How many papers do you want? Here’s a simple Google search: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_ylo=2018&q=scholarly+articles+on+gender+inequality+in+the+workplace&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&as_vis=1
https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54
gender pay gap myth explained by jordan peterson
Why not just post a Pewdiepie video?
Did you actually watch it and consider the arguments with an open mind?
It seems consistent with the 2013 “how we calculated…” article referenced in the Pew article you linked elsewhere. No?
He says women are too gracious to ask for pay raises. No evidence provided.
Women are not willing to sacrifice as much as men for higher pay. No evidence provided.
He agrees that there is a pay gap for women, but he thinks its justified. Is that the best you have?
Do you trust the Pew?
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/12/11/how-pew-research-measured-the-gender-pay-gap/
Since the article you linked elsewhere references this one I’m sure you’ll find it credible. It provides the evidence you claim is lacking. It also informs us of the interesting fact that for part time work women earn more! Who knew? Thanks for the great link! I learned something! How about you?
I don’t think you read past the headline. They don’t dispute Pew’s numbers, they just throw out some specific exceptions to the pay gap. The only rubric they list by which there is no pay gap is in part-time hourly work, and they take their results from the extreme outsides of the margin of error.
hes generalizing. and of course there are no statistics on women being gracious, how would you? life is not fair and it is not supposed to be
Those are polite ways of saying, “He’s making shit up.”
This video addresses the issue :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54
Ha! Looks like Tax Payer beat me to posting the same thing.
Jordan Peterson has quite a few interesting observations on the current state of affairs.
jinx
What exactly are the No-Trump trumpers ‘for’?
For the most part, anyone w/7 or more functioning brain cells doesn’t surrender their rights to a mythical top down pyramid ideology of pretend external authority.
Can we just skip the pretend external authority and get on with life? If we can’t self-govern then why are we here?
If you are creating a category of people called “no-trumpers,” it stands to reason that the only thing that all of them will have in common is a dislike of Donald Trump.
Do you think you could get a “no-Bernie” or “no-Hillary” or “no-Bush” coalition to agree on any other issue en mass?
That’s the beauty of our Constitution, it puts the ownership of ‘king’ on every individual.
That’s also what terrifies some people, they prefer to put all the blame on someone else when bad decisions are made.
That’s also what frustrates other people, they want the power to rule over every other person. They despise self governing.
Re:gender pay gap myth
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_2073804
but amy schumer thinks she should get paid the same as dave chappell and chris rock
Did you read the article? It says there is still a pay gap, they are debating the amount. It’s an opinion piece.
Do you trust the Pew?
https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/04/09/gender-pay-gap-facts/%3famp=1
Who collected demographic data on last year’s march? Oh no one, that’s what I thought. These racist just looked around and (because Humboldt is 80% white) ddnt see enough non white passing people to assuage their white guilt.
Actually, their statement said, “The local organizers are continuing to meet and discuss how to broaden representation in the organizing committee.” It wasn’t the marchers but the organizing committee that they felt needed to be more diverse.
Thanks Kym, for keeping it real in your very gentle way?
that is like saying minorities participating is not enough. in other words they are insulting them by basically saying “lazy minorities”. now you can delete this if you want, i would understand it might trigger some people
I don’t think that the local NAACP person who commented agrees that is what the first organizers are saying. However, I have heard that argument.
the naacp is listed on the fbis list of hate groups along with the splc fyi. a hate group should never be given a platform.
The FBI does not publish a list of hate groups. Quit making things up.
Please…show me a link for that. But I’ll tell you right now that I am exceedingly confident that the NAACP is NOT on the FBI’s list of hate groups. Nor is the Southern Poverty Law Center. You may not like them but they are not currently on the FBI’s list of extremist groups.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/shocked-anti-defamation-league-slaps-fbi-diss-on-hate-crimes
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/28/editorial-the-fbi-dumps-a-hate-group/
https://dailycaller.com/2017/02/03/exclusive-fbi-removed-splc-and-adl-from-civil-rights-resources-pages-because-of-a-number-of-concerns/
thank you
You’re welcome.
It’s been a long time since reading the original news about their group being under scrutiny, I needed to review it too.
Why are you thanking him? These articles show every statement to you made was false.
None of those articles mentions the NAACP. None of them mention a Hate Group list published by the FBI. One of them is just an editorial opinion piece about the SPLC. The FBI never listed the NAACP or the SPLC as hate groups. Every single thing Antichrist said was wrong.
Do you even read the articles you post?
Racist and sexist movement ment to divide. Ban.
hey i found you some real inequality
Women will be required on corporate boards in California, new landmark law says
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Living/women-required-corporate-boards-california-landmark-law/story?id=58202819
“Landmark law” “Landmark” – quite a stretch of nonsense from the purveyors of nonsense.
#1 – Your Masters are not in the republic.
#2 – IF they bothered to be inconvenienced by a swearing in, Oath of Office performance, it ain’t worth the paper its written on. Better yet, contact the SOS Office, mail off a request and correct amount of money for certified copies of your Master’s Oath.
#3 – Corporations are unconstitutional. The Supreme Law of the LAND. Not the Supreme Law of the people.
Freedom is the very nature of our being, that whatever stands in the way must be set aside, be it ritual or superstition or limitation in any form. The only true law is that which leads to freedom. There is no other.
If we want freedom we’re going to have to change our language. Most people do not want freedom. They haven’t had it and wouldn’t know what to do with it. They are safe and secure in their bondage.
it was abc’s headline not mine
I was merely pointing out the wrongheaded master slave perception that enables the fraud.
Not reading the story. Did they get rid of some of those pesky white women that were skewing the ratio?
Sigh…At least you admit you didn’t read the story. (It’s obvious that many commenters don’t read but they don’t admit it.) Though for god’s sakes how hard is it? Tthe same amount of time you use to comment could have been used to read a good portion of this and, hopefully, you would be more informed after having done so.
Are they now busing people up from Oakland? Can’t wait to see the photos. They better take a picture of every single person of any color, so we know just how diverse it was.
Just to be really clear and fair…There are two different groups. One decided not to hold the Women’s March because they worried they didn’t have enough diversity IN THE COMMITTEE. The other group felt that the disadvantage of not having the event outweighed that. I don’t see why the second group would need to prove that there was diversity in the March itself as neither of them were claiming that there wasn’t enough diversity there.
It is interesting that they felt “diversity” was so much more important than “women” in holding a woman’s march that it is better not to have it at all rather than have a defective one. It is sad that even women determined to improve women’s place in society can’t put women first in their own minds.
From a small Michigan newspaper:
What has America become?
Has America become the land of the special interest and home of the double standard?
Let’s see, if we lie to Congress, it’s a felony and if the congress lies to us its just politics. If we dislike a black person, we’re racists and if a black person dislikes whites, it’s their 1st Amendment right; the gov’t spends millions to rehabilitate criminals and they do almost nothing for the victims; in public schools you can teach that homosexuality is okay, but you better not use the word God in the process; you can kill an unborn child, but its wrong to execute a mass murderer; we don’t burn books in America, we now rewrite them; we got rid of the communist and socialist threat by renaming them progressives; we are unable to close our border to Mexico, but have no problem protecting the 38th parallel in Korea; if you protest against Pres. Obumer’s policies you’re a terrorist, but if you burned an American flag or George Bush in effigy it was your 1st Amendment right.
You can have pornography on TV or the Internet, but you better not put a nativity scene in a public park during Christmas; we have eliminated all criminals in America, they are now called sick people; we can use a human fetus for medical research, but it’s wrong to use an animal.
We take money from those who work hard for it and give it to those who don’t want to work; we all support the Constitution, but only when it supports our political ideology; we still have freedom of speech, but only if we are being politically correct; parenting has been replaced with Ritalin and video games; the land of opportunity is now the land of hand outs; the similarity between Hurricane Katrina and the Gulf oil spill is that neither Prez. did anything to help.
And how do we handle a major crisis today? The gov’t appoints a committee to determine who’s at fault, then threatens them, passes a law, raises our taxes, tells us the problem is solved so they can get back to their reelection campaign.
What has happened to the land of the brave and home of the free?
Ken Huber
Tawas City
Members of Congress are immune from purgery. That’s not something that changed recently, that’s in the constitution.
You can’t put a nativity on public property because that would be a government endorsement of Religion. That is in the constitution, too.
The bible specifically allows, and in cases of adultery demands, abortion.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biblegateway.com/passage/%3fsearch=Numbers%2b5:11-31&version=NIV&interface=amp
You really need to do more research.
i have never hear of the bible promoting abortion. your link was about a woman cheating not rape. your link was talking about birth control not abortion. there are some natural birth control, i have heard from the natives here that they used to use periwinkle tea.
Note: The herbs listed below aren’t approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and haven’t undergone formal medical testing for contraception, so their safety and efficacy can’t be guaranteed. Also, the mechanism of action for some of these herbs may induce a miscarriage or abortion. You should talk with your doctor about the use of these options.
Natural healers commonly suggest, along with herbal supplements, the use of a natural barrier such as a lambskin condom that hasn’t been treated with chemicals. Some of the herbs they suggest include:
Stoneseed root. Native Americans, such as the Dakotas and the Shoshone, would drink a cold infusion and inhale the smoke of stoneseed root to induce permanent sterility.
Thistle. Native Americans such as the Quinault drank a hot tea made with thistle to cause infertility.
Wild carrot seed. Women in certain parts of India eat a teaspoon of wild carrot seed immediately following sexual intercourse. They then follow up with a teaspoon a day for the next 7 days to prevent implantation and conception. It may also act as an abortive.
Ginger root. Natural healers suggest drinking 4 cups of ginger tea per day for no more than 5 days to initiate menstruation. You can also mix 1 teaspoon of powdered ginger in 6 ounces of boiling water and consume while hot.
I never mentioned rape, although that would be covered under the language of that chapter.
“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
The priest induced a miscarriage, aka, AN ABORTION. God doesn’t just want abortions, he REQUIRES them of his followers in all cases of adultery.
That is not what that section of the Bible about. What that section is about is asking God to judge whether the woman has sinned, ie had relations with a man other than her husband as he jealousy suspects, or or whether she is innocent. So priest asked her to swear to her innocence then drink blessed water that is additionally blessed by adding even more sacred dust from the holiest of places and waiting for God’s judgement on her. If she is innocent, nothing happens and her husband is proven wrong. If she has sinned, God will punish her. Nothing the priest gives her causes an abortion. In fact there is nothing to say she is even pregnant but, if the woman swears falsely before God, then she has cursed herself with becoming infertile. The priestly rituals do not coerce God into performing an abortion because no priest ever would think that he can coerce God. It is the woman’s sin in lying about her sin, if indeed she has sinned, using God’s name that causes her the ultimate punishment of no longer being able to have children. That is the way God directed of resolving her husband’s accusations and jealousy and for the woman to prove her innocence. No abortion involved at all.
Nonetheless God, as depicted in these scriptures, seems to be indicating that abortion is a perfectly reasonable response to some situations. If God thinks the child is separate from the woman, why punish the child? (Of course, the god of the Bible advocates punishing children for their parents’ sin, so who knows? “I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.”)
No it doesn’t. First the word abortion does not appear. The word pregnant does not appear. What you term as abortion is actually a curse so that the woman’s ability to bear children is taken away. It might mean she aborts if she was pregnant because she has become diseased (like venereal disease) through her sin. If you decide that the God of the Bible is responsible for every single miscarriage, there is no way but to think that the Bible advocates abortion. But that’s a extreme interpretation. At least abortion by God, not by humans. But the verse in question literally says that no other agency but the woman’s own sin is what causes it, not any human intervention.
As to the sins of the fathers being visited on the children- of course, unlike the questionable idea of humans effectively cursing a sinner, that is a pretty straight forward observation. Are we not still paying for condoning slavery? For Indian genocide? Alcoholism travels through generations. Venality lays whole countries low. Murder damages the innocent and guilty. Is there hardly a “sin” that doesn’t damage through generations, even to changing the genome? Ask Germans about Nazism. They’re in their4th generation and are still hounded about it. Especially if such ‘iniquity’ is visit down through generations if the children inherit the sinning as their choice. We do tend to adopt the sins of our parents. We are not born in a vacuum. The child is not separate from their inheritance. Down to the DNA.
Yet the same Bible in verse after verse says the sin is owned by the sinner alone makes it clear that the sinner themselves is forgiven once the sin is acknowledged and repaired. You can’t just cherry pick words from any writing without looking before and after to derive meaning.
I read it as God will support a jealous husband if he suspects that his wife is pregnant by another and cause the woman to abort. But…it is sufficiently ambiguous enough that you could read it the way you state. Since I don’t believe the Bible is the word of God without error, there’s no particular need to try and prove it one way or another.
Now 1 Samuel 15:3: “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.” Sounds like God is talking about killing even children so that sounds to me like God is good with killing children if their fathers piss him off which sounds like the sins of the fathers to me. But, perhaps you feel like it has some other meaning…
Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
(31:17) Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
That’s Moses talking, advocating sex slavery and child murder. The bible makes a more consistent case for not eating shellfish than it does for disallowing abortion.
You seem to be fixated on the lack of the words “abortion” and “pregnant” in these verses. I ask you, how does a woman miscarry if she’s not pregnant?
There are many interpretations of the Amalek, but the one most often concurred with is that they were the Fallen Angels aka Nephillim Giants (cannibals), who hated God for not being as ‘perfect’ as them. God let them leave heaven to prove that they could refrain from sinful ways, which of course, they could never do considering their departure was based on envy, pride and false witnessing. But, they couldn’t ‘see’ their own sins, because they were too focused on the ‘sins’ of God.
They attacked Israel, Israel attacked back full force, with God’s blessing.
The strange part is, those fallen angels whose bodies were killed turned into demons. It is those demons that the world is still fighting off today. God gave them freedom to prove they were better, smarter, perfecter, sinless than God, with the stipulation that they never ever use God’s chosen ones as a bodily host …. without permission from the intruded upon.
Their other nemesis is Bronze & Copper. Notice a pattern here? (statutes, copper shortages, ..)
It’s not left against right or us against them, it’s good against evil.
Spoiler alert: God wins in the end.
A few links that might help:
http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/1351-amalek-amalekites
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus%2017:8-16&version=NIV
Disclosure to all my posts: I’m not a scholar, just a reader who has skimmed and gleamed. Research yourselves for the nuggets you can gleam.
What does any of that have to do with anything? Bronze and copper… Could it be that it’s another bronze-age mystery cult?
https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/influence-mystery-religions-christianity
Will someone please explain what the women are marching about, as in, what is the cause? Explanation?
“The mission of Women’s March is to harness the political power of diverse women and their communities to create transformative social change.” https://www.womensmarch.com/mission/
In two weeks check out the images from the march and focus on signs, shirts, and hats. That should provide a good idea of what is on the participants minds.
Last year it seemed the march was much more anti Trump than pro woman. Perhaps this year will be different.
Some folks might say that being Anti-Trump was the same as being pro women…
Some folks might say that being against Anything w/out bringing an idea for a solution to the table, that those folks should sit down.
Some folks might put the same “I don’t know what i’m ‘for”’ persons in the same basket with those whose names are on sixty-nine thousand sealed indictments . . . large percentage for the same thing.
This is what the Women’s March is for, again.
https://www.womensmarch.com/mission/
Just keep on ignoring answers you don’t like.
under what logic? Trump loves women. wink wink
Yeah! It’s not a Women’s March at all! It’s just another empty, anti-Trump tantrum.
Meaningless.
And once again, Women are the victims of this lefty charade.
Why do democrats always treat people like a commodity?
It dates back their days as the party of the KKK.
Shame!
Would you take that stance Kym?
Anti leads to negativity. Pro leads to positivity.
A pro women march could be a day of positivity, love, inclusiveness, and action plans for constructive change. We should all be pro women (and pro men).
An anti-Trump march seems likely to be a day of negativity, hate, and exclusion. If the desired event is anti-Trump why pretend it’s something different?
Participants, please feed this event the type of energy you want it to produce. We often reap what we sow.
Love to all.
I agree that pro messages are better for the world. Sometimes a little venting is good for the soul and laughter helps those who are feeling wounded.
Agreed! That’s one of the things I really like about your comment section. It’s a place to vent, laugh, learn, and sometimes even share a little SoHum love. Thanks!
Wahoo! At least it works for someone. Sometimes I feel that everyone hates it except those who just want to “hate” on someone.
ohhh The worst thing I read from all these comments is Hillary just doing her job defending a rapist. It takes a special kind of sicko to do that. So glad she didn’t win. What a disgrace of a human. ???
Jesus, I hope you never need a defense attorney. It’s not “just their job.” They are literally defending the entire American justice system. Whether they like or believe their client or not their social obligation, their moral obligation, is to give him or her the best defense possible. It literally is the American way and it literally unAmerican to trash a defense attorney for doing their job. You don’t like the system (I don’t), that’s okay. But don’t trash someone for literally upholding the American justice system until we get something better.
That sounds political, not self empowering.
Self empowered women don’t need “political power to transform their social changes’.
Clarify please.
Definition of politics:
“The activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power.”
What you’re doing right now is pointing at a horse and saying, “That’s not a horse, its a four-legged ruminant!”
You are correct shak.
Some don’t make the distinction between power and control.
Equal means equal – power. No one has more power than another.
Poly – many.
Ticks – blood suckers.
If you don’t control your life, you can bet your right arm someone else will.
He said: “Self empowered women don’t need “political power to transform their social changes’.”
I said that political power is defined as the ability to make social change.
Nobody said anything about control. You’re arguing with a straw man, per usual, in defence Shak’s statement, that women should be able to effect political change,
WITHOUT the ability to effect political change. I guess they should be able to eat without food or breath without air.
Exactly, CH.
Bringing politics into it has political meanings.
Right now, any man or any woman can run for office. Changing that would mean one or the other must be deleted from that opportunity. Which leaves us with the obvious conclusion that it must be the men that will be deleted from opportunity. Women want all the ‘power’, not just their own empowerment.
Or. ?
If women weren’t equal in opportunity, and couldn’t run for office, then it would make sense to be demanding Political Power.
It would be helpful if they could/would clarify their position. If they need to readdress the state over grievances, then let’s see the grievances list, so we can make informed decisions on whether to support or to ignore.
Here’s an example of grievances listed out:
http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.html
Maybe you should organize a men’s rights march to level the playing field.
#gamersriseup
“Some folks might say that being Anti-Trump was the same as being pro women…”
Yes. Idiots. Idiots would say something idiotic like that. … Because they are idiots.
if you Google the word idiot a picture of Donald Trump comes up and the definition Google is Right 99.9% of the time according to the CEO Sundar Pichai it has a mind of its own and pretty good judgment to
Unusually high level of nonsense. All that Google does is tick up the number of times the word Trump and the word idiot are posted in the same sentence, paragraph or article. So if a bunch of idiots were posting about Trump and someone commented on that, it would be a notch in the Google idiot algorithm. Just like this comment will be counted.