Positive Tests for COVID-19 Flat-line as Overall Test Numbers Drop Significantly, Also

COVID-19 testing in the Humboldt County Public Health Laboratory.

COVID-19 testing in the Humboldt County Public Health Laboratory. [IPhoto from the Humboldt County Department of Health and Human Services]

This article was posted first in the North Coast Journal and written by Thadeus Greenson. Reprinted here with their kind permission.

Humboldt County Public Health announced yesterday that there had now been six consecutive days without a positive COVID-19 case — a streak that began somewhat abruptly just days after the local caseload more than doubled over the course of a week. It’s a remarkable change coming just as many were bracing for local numbers to continue to rocket upward.

It’s hard to figure out what to make of the change, as it comes just after Humboldt County ratcheted up social distancing recommendations — modifying a shelter-in-place order to make it more stringent and officially asking residents to wear facial coverings when leaving home — but also as testing numbers dipped significantly.

The week of March 30, when Humboldt saw its caseload double, 536 residents — or 76.6 a day — were tested for COVID-19. The following week, when six cases were announced and the no-new-case streak began, just 319 residents were tested, or 45.6 a day. That’s a 40 percent drop-off, much of it due to a sharp decline in tests results coming from the two out of area corporate labs that processes local samples.

After testing an average of 38.66 patients per day over a nine-day stretch, the labs have returned just 4.5 test results a day over the last six.

At a media availability event last week, Humboldt County Public Health Officer Teresa Frankovich said she, too, had noticed the significant drop-off in test results coming from out of the area and wasn’t sure whether it was the result of fewer residents being tested or a backlog at the testing facilities.

Humboldt County Public Health Laboratory staff analyzing a COVID-19 test. - HUMBOLDT COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES

Humboldt County Public Health Laboratory staff analyzing a COVID-19 test. [Photo from the Humboldt County Department of Health and Human Services]

The Times-Standard’s Sonia Waraich reported April 10 that Open Door Community Health Centers CEO Tory Starr said that one of the private labs — LabCorp — had “totally gotten backed up.” But a company spokesperson also told Waraich that it had ramped up testing capacity by about 40,000 tests per day. While Humboldt County has generally gotten results back from the private labs within three or four days of sending a sample, other areas have complained of delays of seven to 10 days. All of this points to a possible backlog of test results set to hit Humboldt County in a bunch. If that’s the case, we should begin to see it in the coming days.

But Frankovich also posited that maybe healthcare providers are just testing fewer people. Humboldt County is heading out of the traditional flu season, she said, so there are fewer people with respiratory illness symptoms that can present like COVID-19 and trigger a test. There may be some evidence to support this, as the local public health laboratory’s testing rate also declined the week of April 6, dipping about 20 percent from its high of 253 tests run the week prior. But that theory would also suggest, as Frankovich mentioned, that people coming to their providers with respiratory illness “may be increasingly likely to test positive for COVID.”

But Humboldt County is not seeing a higher percentage of its daily tests coming back positive. It’s been the opposite. As of yesterday, 1,418 Humboldt County residents had been tested for COVID-19, with 50 returning positive, or an average of roughly one positive for every 28 tests. Humboldt County has now seen 229 samples pass without a positive case. That’s unquestionably a small sample size and could prove an anomaly. Only more testing will tell.

Of course, testing availability remains incredibly limited. While Humboldt County has tested significantly more people per capita than other California counties — as of April 9, it was testing at more than double the rate of Los Angeles County, for example — there still aren’t enough supplies to test everyone who is symptomatic, much less to conduct more proactive surveillance testing.

HUMBOLDT COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES

[Photo from the Humboldt County Department of Health and Human Services]

That’s because the supply chain remains under incredible strain, with everything from testing swabs to reagents in short supply and high demand. This coupled with the fact that the local Public Health lab can turn around test results days faster than its corporate counterparts has left Public Health to be very selective about which patients get tested locally and which samples get sent out of the area. The last thing Public Health wants is to run out of tests due to supply chain issues and see a critically ill local patient — or someone like a healthcare worker, with a great capacity to spread the illness — whom it can’t quickly test. So the department is, to a degree, conserving tests.

“We are constantly in a position of working to acquire more kits because we’re using them on an ongoing basis,” Frankovich said.

As of this writing, Public Health is reporting that it has capacity on hand for 600 tests, but since March 21 that number has fluctuated from a low of 398 to a high of 750.

Frankovich said last week that providers are still following the Centers for Disease Control recommendations regarding who gets tested: people who are severely symptomatic or symptomatic and in a high risk group (like over the age of 65 or with an underlying health issue) or have come into contact with a confirmed case. People who are mildly symptomatic are still being told to stay home, isolate and monitor their symptoms, as there is still no cure or treatment for the disease, and someone with a confirmed mild case would be told to do the same.

Of Humboldt County’s 50 confirmed cases, 23 were traced back to contact with another known case and 20 others were related to international travel. But the seven others are believed to have stemmed from community transmission, meaning the source is unknown but believed to have been from someone or somewhere in Humboldt County. This would indicate the virus is continuing to spread through the community because Public Health hasn’t been able to conduct contact investigations, intervene and order people to quarantine. Some studies have also shown that 25 percent of people who get the virus never become symptomatic, meaning they can spread it without ever knowing they had it.

Frankovich said last week, toward the beginning of the no-new-case streak, that Humboldt County was nowhere near its peak of COVID-19 cases. Pressed a couple days later to elaborate on the county’s modeling projections, she said there are too many variables to have any faith in them but that the state may be releasing county-by-county projections soon. But with just roughly 1 percent of Humboldt County residents having been tested — and remember, we’re ahead of almost the entirety of the state with that number — it will be hard to know how much stock to put in those models.

As other countries have shown, widespread testing has been a crucial component of getting a handle on the virus. In that sense, we’re moving in the wrong direction.

“The more we can test the more we can detect,” Frankovich said last week. “But I can tell you because we’ve identified community transmission cases that we do have COVID circulating in our community.”

Preparing COVID-19 Test Kits at HSU. [Photo courtesy Humboldt State University]

Preparing COVID-19 Test Kits at HSU. [Photo courtesy Humboldt State University]

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Swine
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Swine
6 years ago

I love how they saybthere is no treatment but a LOT of peolple have and are recovering. I know of at least 2 people who tested “positive” who are better now… Open your eyes folks.. Its a new sickness… It isnt killing more people than anything else.. Its just new. When there are “cures” it will still kill people..

cu2morrow
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cu2morrow
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

wonderful !

Swine
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Swine
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Well then what kind of doctor are they?

Swine
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Swine
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

It was snarky because in the article the woman says “there iams no cure or treatment..” And while i fully resoect how much work it takes to become a doctor, for i myself have family who are doctors, i also live in a world of self and plant healing and i think the healthcare system is so broken that doctors are not healers.. And they should b. My take and experience is they are mostly pill pushers, fear mongers, and at the end of the day there a thousand ways to treat a thousand different ailments that dont involve moderb medicine. Covid is and will b no different.. And it will be around like the flu and measles and chickenpox probably and if we dont care of ourselves wholly of course it will kill people. We treat ourselves and our world like trash and most people are such slaves tontheir work and systematic bullshit they dont evem have time to take care of themselves.. So when they get sick they gonsee “doctors’ who generally address their symptoms and try to get a quick fix or a shot. Then that person can mire quickly get back to being a cog in the machine. Vaccines and such medicine are not medicine. Humans are a part of this natural world and the more we try to scientifically beat it the more its going to evolve around us and try to kill us. Maybe we are the virus and covid and aids and measles and fire and tornadoes are the earths immune system.. And while it sucks timo have family die for any reason, its still a fact, the only fact , if life. We will die. Some how some way. And living in optimal health until then is great, but our medical system is geared at keeping people functioning or alive long enough to keep getting money out of them.. Prolonging the inevitable just makes it harder to let go.. I wish other humans would wake up.. The politixians and officials are running our lives now as we cower in fear. And really they are afraid too because most of them probably eat fast food and get vaccines. Its sad. We need to stand up. Stand up and take care of ourselves and our imediate nature. So.. What kind of doctor are they? It waa rhetorical question to myself and others. I am not asking you to give me any answers i dont already have. They are not healing doctors. They are business doctors.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Swine

Unvaccinated children have the same rate of autism as vaccinated children.

Stop conspiracy fear mongering.

Swine
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Swine
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

When did i mention autism? You need to stop looking at things through your myopic.view points. Vaccines are just one thing on a long list of modern medicinal practices that are our way of trying to control nature.. P.s. get over yourself.. The fear mongering is all already out there.. I supposed thkse planes spraying shit today were commercial jetd flying across the pacific right?

FanOfGuest
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FanOfGuest
6 years ago
Reply to  Swine

And parrots repeat the same bullshit as the master how taught them.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Swine

Nature is evolution.

We evolved to develop vaccines in our own self-survival interest.

And they work.

Guest
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Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  Swine

I agree with you.

Just sayin
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Just sayin
6 years ago
Reply to  Swine

It remains to be seen what the actual mortality rate will be, as well as the rate of infection- because as you say, it’s NEW- and both of those stars are yet to be finalized because they depend on data that is currently still being collected and assessed. There is no basis to say that “it isn’t killing more people than anything else” because as a matter of fact, it IS. It’s called scientific data- it’s out there.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Just sayin

In 3 weeks this virus has killed 25,000 Americans.

Just in the 2 weeks of April it has killed 20,000 Americans!

And that is with strict social and economic impacts.

Can you imagine the numbers at the end of a year if nothing had been done?

Swine
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Swine
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

So has the flu and there are vaccines.m sooo

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Swine

No. The common flu has never killed 20,000 in 2 weeks.

And vaccines are hit and miss, due to the fact that there are numerous common flu strains, making vaccines less effective than physical distancing measures.

Go back to sleep.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

26k deaths in 85 days.

1st confirmed US case on 1/20/20 .

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

20,000 of those were in the last 2 weeks.

25,000 of those were in the last 3 weeks.

Need help with the charts?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

It took 30 days from 1st death to reach 2,000 deaths.

Now, we have 2,000 deaths a day.

20,000 in the last 2 weeks.

85 days is irrelevant to my point.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

You can’t exclude patient #1 and have death #26k. They are directly linked phenomena.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Right.

We should start counting American deaths at Patient #1, in China.

That would help your “it’s just a flu” stats.

Because hey, that’s day #1 of the virus.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

As usual you’re skewing data to induce fear.

85 days, 26k deaths. To cherry pick narrow parameters to push a point is dishonest.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Your ignoring the very nature of a virus spreading to obfuscate the danger of ignoring the virus.

Your simply introducing numbers that help you downplay the severity, obviously.

If you think what I said is fear mongering, than your scared of the numbers – because that’s what they are.

20,000 dead Americans in last 2 weeks.

Guest
Guest
Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

People die. If not from this, from something else. It is not that this virus is not dangerous. But it is no more dangerous than the flu was when new strains came through years ago. Certainly not as dangerous is the plague was in the 1400s.

But extreme foolish behavior will also add it’s load of misery to what nature provides. What do people who critique those who look at that too want? Do you think forcing everyone to clutch themselves in fear at a level to make clear to them that they are as fearful as yourself will do? Until they starve huddling under their blankets? There simply is not a doubling of infected to continue forever. Either the virus will mutate to become less damaging of it will run out of people to infect and did off itself. There has to be temperance in fear too.

One thing for sure is you need to stop over using obfuscation. I know new toys are fun to play with but there are synonyms- confound, perplex, obscure, distort, muddle, etc. Like Ingio Montoya’s words in Princess Bride, “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Guest needs to defend Rover to defend Hannity to defend Trump.

Classic.

FanOfGuest
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FanOfGuest
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

And I’m defending all of them…

Guest
Guest
Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I do not know who Rover is, I have never read or heard anything Hannity has ever said, and I only defend Trump when the Dementors attacking him are too irrational to be tolerated. And generally I do not criticize someone for perceived personal deficiencies although I admit you constantly doing so pushes me towards it.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Clsssic.

Guest needs to defend Rover to defend Hannity to defend Trump to defend fake.

Guest
Guest
Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Respeat- I do not know who Rover is, I have never read or heard anything Hannity has ever said, and I only defend Trump when the Dementors attacking him are too irrational to be tolerated. And generally I do not criticize someone for perceived personal deficiencies although I admit you constantly doing so pushes me towards it.

Adding that it is hard not to get personal when saying a statement is irrational. Saying someone is irrational is sort of implied by constantly pointing out the irrational and damaging nature of what they say. Especially when almost all they say is fixated on Trump.

Nimby
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Nimby
6 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Saying 26k died in 85 days vs admitting 25k of those were in last three weeks is skewing data. The speed at which the disease spreads is what sets it apart from other illnesses and makes it very dangerous, otherwise we would just go about our business.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
6 years ago
Reply to  Nimby

Nope. All the data is significant. To omit any of it is to pervert the modeling.

Lack of data has been the main shortcoming of this whole event; to pick and choose to make a point feeds misunderstanding.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Bullshit onfuscation.

True or false:

In 2 weeks we have lost 20,000 Americans to Covid19?

True.

Is that data?

Yes.

Do you ignore it?

Yes.

Why?

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

“All the data is significant.” Said me.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Ignoring the data, do you.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I’m not really into prognostication, but it looks like the curve will put the US closer to 40k than 50k. Spikes in New Orleans and New Jersey may drive that upwards.

Ex EMT
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Ex EMT
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Kym, and ullr,
I believe Kym is accurate and even conservative.
Based on US confirmed case graph and worldwide deaths graph, and my very own time machine…
Really go to 26,000 on worldwide death graph…
On March 28, 26,988. Add one week, on April 4, 58,158. About where we could be on Apr 21, 56,000 in a week from todays 26,000. That’s data. The US is about where the whole world was 17 days ago. All things being relative,118,000, today’s
worldwide total will be where we are in 17 days. Apr.31.
The good news is… Based on the US confirmed case graph, the rate over the last week has dropped 50% from the previous weekly rate.
From here is my conjecture.
Even with that I think we will be around at least 102,000 to112,000 by May 1.
Up to maybe 126,000 if you overlook the caseload reduction.

And May 8,
We might be looking at up to 210,000 or more.

With the caseload reduction steady, maybe only
180,000 give or take 10,000.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Linear extrapolation in a dynamic equation will certainly lead to compounded errors.

The IHME model (the one policy was based on) ran into this problem and had to keep adjusting numbers. They went from more than 1/4 million deaths (Feb or March) to 60k projected currently.

Time, ultimately, will tell.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

You keep saying time will tell, while ignoring what time has told you.

Radical.

Guest
Guest
Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Linear extrapolation of a classic Gaussian function is inherently going to be wrong. People talk about “flattening the curve” without a clue about what curve is meant.

FanOfGuest
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FanOfGuest
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I will repeat. That is less than .0001% of the population Brian. Over 160,000 people die a day globally. Over 20,000 people die a day in the United States every day. This is a flu bug. We are going into an economic depression over it….. have a nice day.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  FanOfGuest

20,000 in 2 weeks.

Not a flu.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  FanOfGuest

20,000 Americans in 2 weeks

=

Not a flu.

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Guest
Guest
Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

FOG may be incorrect in terminology but that does not mean you are one bit more correct. It is a “cold” virus, not a flu virus. But the point may be, that while different in name, it will end up being similar in mortality. Or at least no worse than many new flu strains that have popped up over the decades. Or at least the havoc it wreaks is no worse than was was previously experienced with the attitude that “something’s going around” without the web to spread panic.

Can you not even spend a moment on worrying about the negative effects of shuddering the economy? For people who find value to the society in work, this is a big deal. Dismissing it with a flick of a retort is just narcissistic.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Guest

The economic effects are due to failures by many individuals and systems.

Viruses dont cause economic depressions on their own.

The idea exists to invest in protecting our future.

That’s why proposing to cut the CDC funding, along with other agencies altogether, Trump begs scrutiny.

Ex EMT
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Ex EMT
6 years ago
Reply to  FanOfGuest

Guest,
Gaussian functions seem to be about rates of ascension and decline in a symmetrical way. (bell curve)
Death totals cannot be expressed that way as they never come back down.
A line graph (linear) is more appropriate. Extrapolating rates from it’s trajectory involves some speculation, but applying a “classic Gaussian function”, to death totals over time is a non-sequitor. My estimations are based on direct comparisons of death totals; world vs US, then vs now, respectively.
But you sound like a math guy so I have a question for you…
How many non-sequitors in a row before they are no longer non-sequitors?
Seriously.
The worldwide linear graph just accelerated overnight.
Now it looks like we could hit 118,000 deaths in the US by Gauss’ birthday.
Look that up.
One day early based on my previous estimates.

“I have had my results for a long time: but I do not know yet how I am to arrive at them”
Johann Friedrich Carl Gauss
1777-1855

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
6 years ago
Reply to  Ex EMT

The resulting graph is linear but the data sources are dynamic. Virus viability on various surfaces at various temperatures. Human interface with those surfaces and with each other. Underlying medical conditions and many more unknown factors play into the data inputs for model projections.

There are known knowns;
There are known unknowns;
There are unknown unknowns.

Guest
Guest
Guest
6 years ago

Dr. Frankovich said she “…wasn’t sure whether it was the result of fewer residents being tested or a backlog at the testing facilities…”

If there is a backlog at testing facilities, isn’t this something she/we would know?
Are the testing facilities properly transparent in that, there is a manager or secretary working who can just say whether they are backlogged or not? Why would the situation not be clear?

I don’t mean to offend anyone, and I certainly don’t envy Dr. Frankovich’s position right now… I’m just curious.

Can't count??
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Can't count??
6 years ago

Humboldt County has 51 cases not 50 cases.

Chuck U
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Chuck U
6 years ago

Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are treatments that have been used with reportedly very good success. The Chinese have studies going back to early February. South Dakota announced yesterday they will not be shutting down their economy but will begin a massive double blind study to be the first of hydroxychloroquine treatment. The big problem is that hundreds of billions of corporate profits are on the line for treatment and vaccine makers, that is a lot of incentive to make sure this fails or a massive PR campaign against it. From what I understand a severe case is feeling better withing hours and instead of going on a ventilator for 3 weeks and possibly dying you are pretty much done with it in a few days.

If you like sciency stuff and want to hear a really interesting alternative take on why hydrxychloroquine works this Doctor’s research is fascinating. His research suggests that the way chloroquine works suggests that this isn’t a respiratory disease but that it is a hemoglobin disease and that the lack of oxygen carrying capacity in the blood and free radical iron shedding by the blood cell causes all the massive organ damage that is being reported.

https://www.peakprosperity.com/chloroquine-a-promising-coronavirus-treatment/

Swine
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Swine
6 years ago
Reply to  Chuck U

Interesting. Perhaps then a number of these desths from covid are avtually people being hooked up to ventilators when they shouldnt be…

good
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good
6 years ago
Reply to  Chuck U

I think the S Dakota study is also the first study in the US with Chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine being used earlier on instead of when symptoms become much more severe. It doesn’t seem to work as well when symptoms are very severe. It will be interesting. I hope it has results.

It does produce heart arrhythmias in some people. It’s possible that it just enhances arrhythmias as they are not always easily diagnosed. Just because a doc has listened with a stethoscope doesn’t mean anything. I have one and only heart specialists have ever noticed it- no other doctors have noticed it, ever, even when they are actively listening for it.

The problem with Chinese studies is that quality control is lacking. Some are done well and others are very sloppy and you can’t tell what is going on. So- many get dismissed out of hand. Too bad really. Italy’s study on it wasn’t very tight either- they were all too preoccupied with saving lives. No one with any conscience was going to do a double blind study in any of those environments.

Another fishwife
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Another fishwife
6 years ago
Reply to  Chuck U

Hey Chuck u, if you like “sciency stuff” and want to know why hydroxy chloroquine DOESN’T work, then you should read this:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-15/hyped-malaria-pill-doesn-t-help-clear-coronavirus-in-study

Chuck U
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Chuck U
6 years ago

There was nothing “Sciency” in that article at all, just some dick on Michael Bloomberg’s news service spouting an opinion. The politicization of this is psychotic, that Democratic governors are banning the use of this drug just because DJT has touted it is beyond sick. If you want to know if you are reading a partisan hit job on Chloroquine, if you see anything about unknown dangers or side effects (like this article) it is bullshit. After asprin this is probably one of the most used drugs on the planet over the last century, I have neeb on it for months at a time when in malaria prone areas upon the recommendation of the State Department, for me going back to 1987. As per one of the above posts, the drug has to be administered in the early phases before the massive lung damage occurs.

Her we have an example of a political ideology that wants to discredit science for a potentially life saving drug. Why is the liberal establishment and press so afraid of a scientific study? I have never see such hysteria over a drug that has been mass produced and used for decades.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Chuck U

What about the Brazilian study that was cancelled due to the increased risks to the heart?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/health/chloroquine-coronavirus-trump.html

Or the French study that provides no “statistical significance” to using chloroquine to treat Covid.

Chuck U
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Chuck U
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

The only science in that article was the scientifically engineered fear mongering. The article started of denigrating Chloriquine as some experimental nut job pharma that is very dangerous which is the exact opposite that it has been taken by BILLIONS of people over the last century, you probably can’t find anything besides aspirin over the same time period that was taken as much as chloroquine, so this article instantly fails. I did give you the respect of reading the whole thing. The gobblygook in the Brazilian study about having a placebo as an impossibility makes no sense, either in science or in journalism, the whole paragraph is designed trash to mean nothing and project a negative. If you cut through all the fear mongering and get down to what the studies showed is a mega high dose was not good, so they scraped the low dose patients for no reason and that they were starting the treatment too late. This was an article looking for a failure. My take away from the article was this line

“More studies evaluating the drug earlier in the course of the disease are “urgently needed,” the researchers said.” So lets do it without partisan trolling.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Chuck U

Well, I don’t follow Trump’s hunches as a fact of anything

Do what you will with them.

If Chloroquine was a “game changer”, it would not take this long to know about the changed game.

Guest
Guest
Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

What that linked article actually said was “The researchers said the study did not have enough patients in the lower-dose portion of the trial to conclude if chloroquine was effective in patients with severe disease. More studies evaluating the drug earlier in the course of the disease are “urgently needed,” the researchers said.” They concluded that raising the dose above accepted levels was dangerous. And they used another drug concurrently that has similar side effects.

This shows the real danger of constant hyperbole of anti- Trump rhetoric. In order to do as much damage to Trump as can be manufactured, too many people are willing to misrepresent the facts to such an extent that they damage others along the way. Trump did not say to double the dose or that it was a miracle cure. But implying that nonsense is being suggested by linking Trump’s name with a failed study. The people who do such stuff are just as unqualified as they claim Trump is. Yet that doesn’t seem to cause them to pause in doubling down on it.

It’s never a matter of Trump being right or wrong but who is more irrational in the pursuit. The Anti-Trumpers are the Berserkers of the internet.

RUA Pusher
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RUA Pusher
6 years ago
Reply to  Chuck U

There are definitely known side effects.
The good news is…
The unknown side effects only occur if you neeb on it for months at a time…?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago

American military’s deadliest day of battle was Normandy, D-Day.

A loss of 2,500 service members in one day.

Today we lost 2,407 Americans to Covid19.

That’s about a Normandy every single day.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

On one day, the Battle of Antietam, 22,654 American soldiers died.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

The grey area of American military fighting itself for a high statistic of self-death is why DDay is more applicable in my opinion.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

They don’t count as American? There is no “gray” area here. The American Civil War was the deadliest for the US without dispute.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Not what I said.

If we count Union troops only it is 12,000 dead, so it still beats out Dday in that sense.

So, the now-restated fact is that we lost more to Covid19 yesterday than the day we invaded Normandy.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

“American military’s deadliest day of battle was Normandy, D-Day.” This is not a true statement. That’s all.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

I was wrong.

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6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

In 1968, there were about 100,000 deaths in the US due to the Hong Kong flu. It was less or more deadly in various countries depending on their previous exposure similar viruses. The 1958 Asian flu caused an estimated 70,000 to 116,000 deaths in the US. Both at a time when there were less people there to be infected. Both were suspected to have originated in China too. Both could cause pneumonia directly.

It is not the least farfetched to compare them to covid-19 although doing that seems to trigger something personal in you. Just like then, the truth about the severity of covid-19 will not be resolved until world wide mortality stats are analysed in the next two years. Places that hid their covid-19 deaths will be somewhat exposed by overall death statistics as will those who exaggerated them. And even then there will be uncertainty among the experts who are never as sure as you.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
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What are you talking about?

People here at RHBB are not comparing Covid to those examples.

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6 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Then why do you keep complaining people are comparing it to the flu.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Guest

The flu is a broad term, and never implies the Hong Kong Flu, Spanish Flu or Asian flu in example.

Can you link to one comment that says, “this is just a Spsnish Flu” or “just another Hong Kong flu”.

You know what is implied by most here when talking about why we are practicing such caution with regard to the novel coronavirus.

Give us real info, please.
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Give us real info, please.
6 years ago

“Humboldt County Public Health Officer Teresa Frankovich said she, too, had noticed the significant drop-off in test results”

Great job, sherlock! Stats about infections and especially mortality are good as moot without details of who those people are.

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6 years ago

So you can do what? Avoid the area where they live when they might have acquired the disease elsewhere? Picket their house? Throw stones at them? Stay at home order means stay at home.

For sure
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For sure
6 years ago

The normal pre-Covid death rate in the USA is 7,452 ppl per day. That’s over 50,000/wk, nearly 3 million deaths per year.

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Ullr Rover
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Some CDC data has shown overall death rates have dropped since SIP orders have been implemented. Mostly by reducing traffic fatalities. On that note, there is significant lag time from time of death to CDC stats, so the number may be skewed. I posted a link on here some time back.

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For sure
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Kym, I think there will be some overlaps on pre-Covid deaths& Covid deaths. For instance, in Rhode Island, they are saying 75% of their Covid deaths are in nursing homes. So, it’s possible that some of those would’ve passed from other reasons during this time.
Statistics will keep coming, and patterns will emerge. But, I had never known the annual death rate in the USA till I recently googled it. Overall death rate will go down due to less car accidents, so that’s a good thing. It will be interesting to see which is more life threatening in the long run. Maybe ppl will drive less after this is over& they realize how nice it is when things are quieter& slower.

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6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

In a year or two, when statistical analysis is done, there is likely to be significant overlap. In fact flu outbreaks are so rountine in nursing homes that it was assumed that was what was going on in the nursing home in Kirkland As and why it went on so long before they figured out it was something new.

The average length of life for a person in a nursing home is two years. They are an already sick, vulnerable population, covid-19 or flu.

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6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Well… The virus is especially deadly in those with “underlying” health problems. That too suggests a higher mortality rate among that group in general. This is not about “most” or “all” or “none.” It is a lot more nuanced than that.

I’m taking this pandemic seriously. I’ve stayed home so long that I was worried my truck would not start when I needed it. But do I think it is bad enough to take the actions that have been ordered by various governments? Some yes and some no. Examining that is not the same as dismissing “the virus.”

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6 years ago
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Limited lifespan in a nursing home has more to do with the living conditions upon arrival than the patients’ conditions upon arrival, and the level of care.
Grim.

apples and oranges
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apples and oranges
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I talked to my cousin who is a fireman/EMT in an urban area on the east coast. He says other deaths have definitely gone down- car and construction accidents, sports deaths, robberies & murders. Domestic abuse has gone up- not many deaths from that number though. Probably less people are dying of the flu as well.

So- the lockdown has also saved many lives inadvertently. Those estimates should be added on to the covod estimates for any death rate/ lives saved comparisons. Otherwise it’s apples and oranges.

They are also starting to include probable deaths from Covid in NYC- ones that were not diagnosed. They admit they are probably underestimating those deaths, but they are trying to get a better picture of it. As NYC starts this other cities and states may do so as well in the future.

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Swine
6 years ago

Lot of guessing going on.. Read betweeb the lines.. Ir better yet juat read what they are printing and saying.. Ever covid repott has one or more of these words ” probably maybe believe assume most likely guess”

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago

Tedt

Eric Kirk
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Eric Kirk
6 years ago

Well if you have fewer tests obviously you are going to have fewer positive results. And here I thought the past week was good news.

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6 years ago
Reply to  Eric Kirk

It is good news. They are not just arbitrarily curtailing testing. They are finding less referrals for tests by doctors seeking a diagnosis.

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Chuck U
6 years ago

I have had a problem with including supporting links when I post. I have lost hours of work trying to support my posts and the posts. I just want to get this out. Before CARES Act gave $25bn to the fight for hospitals, hospitals were loosing $2500-10,000 per Covid-19 patient and had on hand, on average, 60 days of operating capital with those losses. That is the entire healthcare system. I don’t think people are absorbing how tectonic this all is, good time to go get those Fritos. CARES gave a ton but it is equally distributed between the states (CARES was written in the Dem house) and states are affected differently so as it now stands, a case in WY gets $300,000 while a case in NY gets $12,000. I would dig up my dead dog from 2013 and call him a Covid-19 case. Our numbers, again, I don’t want to loose another post, go to worldometer, total deaths per 1 million is 5x the world average. So, we either suck on healthcare next to Ghana or we are elevated to suck off the teat. Be afraid.

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apples
6 years ago
Reply to  Chuck U

None of the data is reliable. China seems severely underestimated. India is a time bomb. Also we are 4 times larger than Italy. I think all countries are underestimated as tests have been in shortage. People dying outside of hospitals are not counted.

OTOH we do need to lose the middlemen in our health care system… Pleasing corporate interests and stockholders is very costly.

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6 years ago
Reply to  apples

As if government pleases so many more people.