The Use of Deadly Force: Honsal Says HCSO Already in Line With New Law Named After the Stephon Clark Shooting

Humboldt County Sheriff William “Billy” Honsal [Photo from HCSO webpage]

The shooting by police of Stephon Clark, a 22-year-old black Sacramento man, in March of last year as he stood in his grandmother’s backyard helped lead to Governor Gavin Newsom signing a new law this August 19. AB392 was passed by the California Legislature in response to public outcry over abuses by law enforcement officers.

Humboldt County Sheriff, Billy Honsal, answered questions in a phone interview about how this might impact his department. For the most part, he noted, the law will not change operations for the Sheriff’s Office. He explained that the Stephon Clark law “brings California law into alignment with case law and Humboldt County Sheriff’s Office policy.” He pointed out that local law enforcement departments are increasing training in de-escalation and crisis intervention techniques, and also building positive relationships with the community to reduce the need for force at future crime scenes.

Honsal mentioned Graham v Connor as case law that drives current HCSO policy. In 1989, the case determined that the standard for use of force must be objective not subjective. In other words, courts cannot acquit an officer because the officer didn’t intend to harm a suspect, but must determine if the officer acted reasonably based on the facts of the case. As a result, the Supreme Court determined that trial courts need to decide if an officer evaluated the “severity of the crime at issue,” “whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to the safety of the officers or others,” and “whether [the suspect] is actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight” and other factors before applying force to a suspect.

The newly signed California law is called the Stephon Clark Law after the young man who was shot after dark while holding a cell phone and not a weapon as law enforcement had feared when they opened fire. Mr. Clark was suspected of vandalizing cars in his neighborhood that night.

People, especially in communities of color, feel California law has been quite weak in holding law enforcement accountable as, until now, the law has allowed law enforcement to shoot felons who are fleeing or resisting arrest under California’s original Penal Code from 1872.

The new law codifies the circumstances when force may be necessary. When the bill was first introduced, law enforcement agencies such as the California Sheriffs’ Association, were strongly opposed. In part because they feared the split-second decisions made in the line of duty would be evaluated with the 20-20 vision of hindsight. The Los Angeles Times reported that Governor Newsom worked with both sides to develop language and amendments that led to compromise. Law enforcement statewide took a ‘neutral position’ and while they were not actively supportive, they said “their worst fears” were addressed and they dropped their opposition.

The American Civil Liberties Union has stated, even with the compromises, the new law “will save lives.” The law expands the scope of investigations around lethal incidents to include the circumstances that lead up to a deadly interaction, instead of only the few seconds when a law enforcement officer makes a decision to shoot or not. This is widely viewed as incentive for officers and departments to use de-escalation techniques more often.

In the interview with us last week, Honsal said HCSO deputies are already trained in de-escalation techniques and in CIT (Crisis Intervention Techniques) to reduce the need for using force.

However, Honsal explained Humboldt County has twice the homicide rate as the California average and that, as part of their job, deputies “get inserted into potentially dangerous situations” such as domestic violence calls or making contact with people creating a public disturbance who may be under the influence of alcohol or other drugs that can increase their propensity for violent outbursts.

He said that to maintain deputy safety, the deputies are trained to take firm control of a scene and that may include ordering people to put their hands where they can be seen before a deputy knows whether the person they are directing is actually involved in the problem the Deputy is investigating. Honsal used the example that an innocent person walking home may match the description of someone reported to have recently committed a crime. Honsal said, “We have to stop them and say, ‘Show me your hands.’ Until [a deputy] has control of the situation, you will be treated like the person [the deputy] is looking for, as a potential suspect.”

Honsal said, “We are teaching this now because we want to be vigilant until we have control of the scene, until people are complying with orders to make the scene safe.” He went on to say, “Deputies are directing people to sit on the curb or to put their hands on their heads.” Honsal said these are “good officer safety skills.”

Law Enforcement, according to Honsal, no longer finds there are any “routine calls these days.” He related the case of an officer in Corona, California who was killed when he allowed a driver to collect personal property from a vehicle that was going to be towed away. The driver retrieved a gun and killed the officer on scene.

Honsal said that while inappropriate uses of force by law enforcement have the public’s attention currently, that “three to four times as many officers are hurt or killed” on the job.

Honsal said that his deputies are working to improve relationships with communities. He said deputies are making regular appearances at local schools so kids know “we are there to help them.” He also referenced the various Coffee with Cops events. And Honsal said, “Community meetings like the one in Southern Humboldt with John Ford and Estelle help us see the human side of each other. People may not agree with us; we may not agree with them, but we all have a mutual interest in making the community better.”

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Doubtful
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Doubtful
6 years ago

Short memories at HCSO/EPD

Dan F
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Dan F
6 years ago

Especially EPD!!!!

Chief Watson
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Chief Watson
6 years ago
Reply to  Dan F

Dan D and Doubtful, would you rather have us remain mired in the past and its negative perceptions you allude to or moving forward progressively? Sheriff Honsal has done a good job representing where his agency is at but go ahead and took a look at your EPD today…it is a markedly different forward thinking and acting department with new leadership and probably over 95% turnover in staffing. (And I’m not throwing shade at the many who protected and served Eureka honorably and with courage and integrity over the past decades).

We are leading the way in our region with de-escalation tactics and training, principled policing training (implicit bias bias and procedural justice), a commitment to Crisis Intervention Team, collaborative community partnerships including with Mental Health and MIST, positive community relationships and engagement (look at how authentically involved in the community we are—Shop with a Cop, Neighborhood Watch, neighborhood block parties, Coffee with the Captains/cops, Ice Cream with a Cop, Boys and Girls Club, Betty Chinn Foundation and Day Center, Big Brothers and Big Sisters, Make A Wish, Casa Kids Walk, Saint Jude’s Telethon Zane Middle School Hoops and Heroes etc.) etc.

I encourage you to take a deep look at who we are today vs. how you perceived us years ago in the past. Go back through our social media posts, read the press releases and news reports, come do a ride-along with EPD and sit down for a cup of coffee with me. Meet our officers, dispatchers and professional staff and then form your opinion whatever it may be.

Our culture has changed and we greatly value our relationship and trust with the community we protect and serve.

All the best,

Chief Watson

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  Chief Watson

Thank you.

Ya ya ya
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Ya ya ya
6 years ago
Reply to  Chief Watson

you don’t protect, you uphold the law. Protection is what good parents do for their kids. You serve the law. Your jobs are protected by your union we are protected by are self’s and your trying to take that away.
The most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help.

Ronald Reagan

You're doing a good job, thanks Chief Watson.
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You're doing a good job, thanks Chief Watson.
6 years ago
Reply to  Chief Watson

You’re doing a good job, thanks Chief Watson.

Your service, your officers service and the Sheriff’s service are appreciated.

Poor Farmer
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Poor Farmer
6 years ago
Reply to  Chief Watson

For one thing Chief Watson, I applaud you very much for coming on Kym’s site to speak and tell us your’s and the police dept’s policy. By speaking on a public forum like RHBB you probably do more to stay in touch with the community than all the other programs you mentioned, (Same goes for Sheriff Honsal) because most of us folks don’t get involved in those activities BUT we can all get on RHBB to discuss and vent our opinions and truths openly about community events. What we hardly ever get is comment back from our Supes, Sheriff’s, water boards, code enforcement etc on the same forum. You Sir just might open up a little bit more transparancy into the interaction between “We the People” and Law Enforcement. That is a breath of fresh air. I’m sure you and Sheriff Honsal are very busy catching criminals BUT it would be professional if a PIO would comment on RHBB’s site more often to give explanations on lawful/legal matters concerning the Law Enforcement policies.

Central HumCo
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6 years ago
Reply to  Poor Farmer

~couldn’t have said it better myself.

Prioritize Our Future
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Prioritize Our Future
6 years ago
Reply to  Chief Watson

Chief Watson,
Nice pr stunt. But in all reality untill EPD and HCSO prioritizes their resources away from cannabis farmer oppression and focuses them on ridding the 101 corridor and bars along Highway 101 of the Meth, heroin and Coke dealers nothing will change. White powder drugs and heroin are openly sold in the bars up and down Highway 101., from Ukiah to Eureka by white dealers and mexican cartels. Why is there no undercover actions to infiltrate and bust these drug dealers that prey on our youth in their 20’s who frequent these establishments after turning 21? Why are there millions of dollars spent on eradication efforts while the hard drugs are almost completely ignored and allowed to wreak havoc on our young people in our communities, is it because the local law enforcement is more tantalized by the money to be made by assett forfeiture and heavy fines levied on the property owners of unpermitted cannabis farms, is zoning violations abigger deal than openly selling hard drugs in our loval bars? Is Cannabis eradication because of zoning violations really so important that we completely ignore the serious crimes happening daily in broad view in our bars and communities? When will you and Billy Honsal as well as Mendo’s Tom Allman take the time to prioritize and aggressively go after the meth labs and drug houses and dealers who are destroying our communities. Lets not forget that it is not the cannabis growers who are robbing us, breaking into our homes, committing home invasions as well as abusing children, it is the tweakers and hard drug users. The entire community wants to see Eureka, Mendo and Humboldt cleaned up and a return to civilized society. Look atall the meth zombies walking around Eureka!! lENOUGH PR and excuses, time to get off your butts and prioritize meth, heroin and coke as the #1 public enemy. Times have changed, stop wasting resources going after a benign herb due tk zoning violations and start focusing on the real scrooge of our community. Pot is a misdeameanor, go solve some real crimes.
Thank You

Seth
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Seth
6 years ago
Reply to  Chief Watson

I appreciate your input and the programs you have implemented Chief Watson. On this issue however the terms ‘reasonable’ and ‘necessary’ are going to tested and defined on a case by case basis in a court of law. From my perspective, I do not see how the new law gives additional guidance to an officer when confronted with a shoot or not shoot moment. Is there some specific change in ongoing training provided to officers?

shak
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shak
6 years ago

It’s always been unlawful to use unreasonable force against individuals.
Is this bill saying that a percentage of individuals aren’t individuals at all, and therefore must be ‘granted’ special laws?
Sheesh, people, take back your inherent RIGHTS.

But, hey, the good news is, there is now 90% vacancy rates at the local hilton, now that 90% of the victimless crime ‘criminals’ are being let out finally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjGmFMSIETs

Willie Caos-mayham
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6 years ago
Reply to  shak

????What’s your “inherented” right?

Mike
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Mike
6 years ago

Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Or something like that. Unless you ask a college student and then it includes healthcare, housing, student debt, Starbucks bills, and their cell phone bill because Twitter is necessary for substaining life

Sparkelmahn
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Sparkelmahn
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Good one!

shak
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shak
6 years ago

Mike summed it up quite well.

Inherent rights = the inborn rights we were born with. We inherited those rights from our genes or wherever. Every human was born with the need and desire to be free. (freedom to enjoy the right to privacy, beliefs, defense, speech, etc).
Legal rights = the rights of all to vote, as long as they are of age.
Granted rights = govt grants you the right to deploy your right. (to vote, to travel, to build a shelter, to catch a fish for dinner…).
Secured rights = Govt secures your inherent rights. (it’s their duty to SECURE your right to eat, drink, take shelter, travel, … by not interfering with your right to do so, and also by assuring you that others do not interfere with your right to do so). (you have the right to earn money that will buy you a burger and a poncho/blanket/house/room/tent..) (a business has the right to seek safety and not deal with your belligerent a$$).
Grants = gives, takes away, infringes, … daddy may i pretty please BS.

A more eloquent version:
“While the rights listed in the Declaration of Independence—life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness—were inalienable, the Founders understood that individuals are often stopped from exercising them. Indeed, this was the very purpose of the Declaration of Independence: to explain that King George III’s violations of the colonists’ inalienable rights justified the American Revolution. The Founders knew full well that while we are born with rights, we need some protection in order to have the freedom to exercise those rights.This principle helps explain the difference between “natural rights” and “legal rights.” While natural rights are innately part of being human, and exist prior to any culture or society, legal rights are those that are acknowledged and protected by a given government.So, in the Founders’ understanding, natural rights would include the right to life itself, the right to think for oneself, the right to self-defense, and the right to keep what one has worked honestly for, among others.Legal rights would include the right to vote, the specific methods by which fair trials are conducted, and copyrights and patents–all of which might be defined and protected in different ways in different countries or states, based on their particular customs and beliefs.”
https://www.docsoffreedom.org/student/readings/equal-and-inalienable-rights

Poor Farmer
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Poor Farmer
6 years ago

We are only second in our Authority after the Creator made his only begotten Son, and then the Creator and Son made us. Nobody has Authority over “We the People” except through Contracts and Consent that are willfully and voluntarily given. Except if we break a LAW that injures someone’s body or property. Everything is done by and from Contracts; everything. THE CONTRACT MAKES HE LAW. The U.S. constitution is a contract that states that “We the People” must be given Life, Liberty and the pursuit of HAPPINESS (I like that word and use it whenever I can). The Calif Constitution goes one better; it states that we pursue and obtain HAPPINESS– Article 1 Section1—You can’t legislate HAPPINESS, it is a moral , ethical, compassionate feeling etc that has no solid definition. It is an individual thing. Also I believe my inherent rights include that my “Public Servants” who WE/US created are just that, public servants and not our masters.

shak
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shak
6 years ago
Reply to  Poor Farmer

Yep, and adding: Even CONTRACTS have to be in keeping with the Constitution or it is no contract at all.
For instance, a bank loan cannot say ‘you pay before due date or we kidnap your kids’…
Everything must be in accordance to the constitution or it is repugnant to the constitution and is no law (or contract) at all.

Bozo the Clone
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Bozo the Clone
6 years ago
Reply to  Poor Farmer

Please explain if decency allows: How was the “creator’s son”, “begotten”?

George

shak
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shak
6 years ago
Reply to  Bozo the Clone

Probably by a thought, or a snap of the fingers, or a breath of life… who knows. You’ll have to ask Him some day.

tax payer
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tax payer
6 years ago
Reply to  Bozo the Clone

would be taken be easier to understand? or be given?

J
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J
6 years ago
Reply to  shak

90% vacancy, lol, man your head’s real far up there.

shak
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shak
6 years ago
Reply to  J

LOL, yeh, the math went right over my head and out through the window.
Let’s try that again.
90% of the ones in prison who were convicted despite being a victimless crime, are finally being freed. (slow but sure, it takes time to process and dbl-check all the dotted i’s and crossed t’s). This, to me, sounds that 10% out of 100% were also guilty of something else that will be keeping them locked up.
BUT, the percentage of prisoners who did do a crime against another person(s), was left out of the equation. I don’t know that number off hand and am too lazy to look it up.
So, in summary, 90% out of 100% of victimless crime criminals, will finally be released. AND, that at least 99% of real criminals who did harm another’s rights to life and/or liberty, will remain behind bars to serve their time. (that ‘time’ is really debatable and needs to be overhauled, but… that’s another story for another day).
Which means, you are right, my post was quicker than my math, but the good news that I shared is still righter than right no matter how we post it.

Central HumCo
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6 years ago
Reply to  shak

shak,

The guy who was released in the video had been jailed for 25 years for a non-violent crime. No priors and he got a life sentence <<<<<THIS is why no thinking man or woman would ever hire a BAR BAR.

shak
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shak
6 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Yep, he received 3 consectutive life term sentences for a non violent crime. (past administrations did this to him and to others like him).
That’s supposedly a thing of the past now, but, the processing does take longer than a new york minute. Hang in there all non violent ‘criminals’.

No Joke
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No Joke
6 years ago

Please. HCSO and EPD rarely shoot people, despite the high crime rate and high numbers of zombies. That’s one of the few things this area can be proud of – they manage to do police work without shooting unarmed people on a regular basis.

Anyways, whenever calling 911 for police assistance, for god’s sake give an accurate, detailed description of the suspect so they’re less likely to waste time on the wrong person. Practice how you would describe the people you see around you.

Madrone
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Madrone
6 years ago
Reply to  No Joke

Yeah, whatever you say. Wasnt long ago EPD were famous for shooting people in humboldt county. Like shooting a mentally Ill person who was armed with a flare gun while there for a welfare check, or blowing away a 15 year old kid in the redwood gullys in Eureka with an assault rifle, while he was armed with a hunting knife and fleeing from his probation officer. Or how about a few years back when EPD sprayed the whole town with bullets when they chased that young kid around town? Good luck trying to change your image EPD, we remember your slaughtering of innocent people and your itchy trigger fingers…

Lol
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Lol
6 years ago
Reply to  Madrone

Pretty sure you named a few things that could have been avoided if the party involved responded less hostile.

Joe Dirt
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Joe Dirt
6 years ago

We are the Humboldt County Sheriff’s department and we are here to help. With our mutual interest John Ford and Estelle Fennell making regulations and proving the inhumane way we treat each other. Sheriff Billy honsal and his deputys law enforcement officers and the lies they want us to die are be imprisoned with. Rogue cops like deputy Conan Moore will severely injure you are kill you in the line of duty no questions asked.

We are the Community and we do not need to be punished For living and sharing freedom.

Claudia Johnson
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Claudia Johnson
6 years ago

There are bad apples in every barrel As We Know but the officers in this County at least the ones I’ve had contact with are very good they’re just like you and I only their job is to protect us if criminals would just do what they’re told just like Sheriff said in there if he tells you to put your hands up put your hands up details just sit down sit down it’s odds are always trying to make sure that you’re not who is looking for if you’re stopped by an officer and your you’re asked just show your registration or insurance tell them you’re going to open the glove compartment tell him that’s where it is don’t just reach for it

Central HumCo
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6 years ago

“.. only their job is to protect us ”

~did you fall down and bump your head?

Willie Caos-mayham
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6 years ago

????Then why did they take off the Protect and Serve on there cars?

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
6 years ago

What’s their motto now?

Joe Dirt
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Joe Dirt
6 years ago
Reply to  Fndrbndr

law enforcement

Central HumCo
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6 years ago
Reply to  Joe Dirt

~do you believe they know law?

Ancient alien theorists say Yes.
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Ancient alien theorists say Yes.
6 years ago

It never was their job to protect and serve. That’s just a cute motto for public relations. Their only job is and has always been to apply the law to the aftermath.

Jim Bob
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Jim Bob
6 years ago

To protect and serve Humanity is a cookbook developed by the Third Reich and still in use by law enforcement today

Central HumCo
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6 years ago

It is not the duty of US police to protect Americans. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest Code breakers. Sapp v Tallahassee 38 So.2nd 363.

212°

Poor Farmer
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Poor Farmer
6 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

And that is the truth.

shak
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shak
6 years ago

I have to disagree somewhat.
The role of the Sheriff is to protect the rights of the citizens in the county the sheriff serves. Examples of the rights of the people were laid out in the Bill of Rights (BOR).
That’s why the sheriff is supposed to be elected. That’s why the electors are supposed to be knowledgeable about who and why they’re ‘electing’.
That’s why the Sheriff is supposed to *know* the Constitution and BOR as well as they know the scent of a freshly baked cinnamon bun.
And, yes, this includes knowing when the mayor and the mayor’s hired ‘enforcers’ have crossed the line. (same with governor, president, etc).

Ever notice the patterns today?
Dumchits: Hey, Prez, you can’t do that, that’s unconstitutional!
Prez: You didn’t think it was unconstitutional when you voted for that law/act/treaty into being when YOUR chosen one was elected. (it’s THEIR bill I’m using to effect this).
Dumchits: Oh look!! Another school shooting.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
6 years ago

You know, just about everything said there strikes me as wrong or biased in some fashion…

But, I have useful things to do today, so I’ll just pick at a few of them.

First, with the whole sitting-on-curbs, etc, thing, there’s the underlying threat that if you don’t immediately do what a cop tells you, _even if you’re entirely unrelated to what they’re investigating_, you risk being killed. This is not ok. Random people not immediately doing what they’re told is not justification for murder. Not doing what you’re told does not rise to the standard of posing an immediate threat to others.

Three to four times as many officers as innocent civilians are killed… Well, that ratio is way too low, in that it should be higher with fewer civilians being killed. First, there’s the detail that zero innocent civilians should be killed, if they were doing their job right. Second, officers deal with dozens of civilians a day, while few civilians deal with cops (at least not that kind of interaction) more than a couple times a year. If civilians are “only” 30% as likely to be killed, despite being 0.002% as likely to be interacting with a cop, something is very very wrong there.

And then, of course, they signed up for this, knowing risk was a part of the job. Some of them bravely made the choice to put their life at risk to benefit the community they live in. We need more officers like that. The ones complaining that there might be some risk in the way of abusing others and pocketing asset forfeitures we do not need.

Existing policy? This the same policy that led to the kid in eureka who might have had a bb gun in his pants maybe getting killed? And a guy with a mop in blue lake? And etc etc? If that’s existing policy, and it’s not being changed, we need a much stronger law.

If they want to improve relations with the community, maybe they should try actually doing some of the things the community cares about, like solving property crimes, dealing with the thieving parasites all over the place, and getting meth off the streets, rather than having all the officers who aren’t busy hiding behind onramps out raiding pot grows? And shooting people?

Chief Watson
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Chief Watson
6 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Bushytails, I’ll only take the time to respond to the “ getting meth off the streets” comment. The rest…oh so very much could be said that involves facts not conjecture and opinion.

HCDTF just made its largest seizure in its history—20 lbs. of meth. This is an astronomical amount for a County our size and it comes after dozens of pounds of cumulative meth and heroin seizures over just the past few years. The drug task force is made up of officers and deputies from multiple agencies in Humboldt County, including EPD, coordinated by the Sheriff’s Office, they are literally hitting home runs monthly if not weekly with their seizures and arrests of traffickers.

With that being said, until we as a society can tackle the underlying causal factors (the “demand” side of the illicit drugs trafficking) we will never solve the problem by reducing the “supply” side of the problem (the HCDTF is doing this as good or better than any task force in the state per capital). But that doesn’t mean we won’t stop going after the drug dealers with tenacity and purpose.

Chief Watson

Doubtful
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Doubtful
6 years ago
Reply to  Chief Watson

That much meth enters Eureka MONTHLY. And it did not stop with that arrest and seizure. Nice try though.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
6 years ago
Reply to  Doubtful

I’d be more inclined to say “daily” from the looks of half the pedestrians in town…

Shame on EPD
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Shame on EPD
6 years ago
Reply to  Chief Watson

Maybe if you de-prioritized cannabis zone violation enforcement and prioritized meth and heroin and actually put the same focus and energy on going after and infiltrating the local heroin and meth rings you would accomplish something. But ignoring the priorities has been the normal for over 30 years…. why not pull all resources from pot and put them on heroin and meth, only then will you actually accomplish something useful. What a shame this has not already been the policy. SHAME ON YOU, busting family farmers while ignoring the real terrorist drug dealers.

Mike
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Mike
6 years ago

Cops aren’t supposed to be shooting criminals, they’re supposed to be running around administering narcan.

Mogtx
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6 years ago

I think cheif watson has done a exceptional job since being chief his dept is like night and day of the eureka of 5 years back i just wish it didnt take the DTF a year to bust this guy ,and how many loads of meth has he muled here ,but better late than never i also think sheriff honsal is doing a fine job of bringing justice to the unjust.
I also think if a mexican national does not have the green card ,and are here illegally should be denied bail .Because they will just run back to mexico never to be seen again ,for instance the guy that just got busted with 20 pounds he is probably out ,and is a illegal citizen is headed back to mexico .Bravo chief watson sherif honsel

Doggo
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Doggo
6 years ago
Reply to  Mogtx

That guy bailed out immediately after being booked. Read Lost Coast outpost “booked”

tax payer
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tax payer
6 years ago
Reply to  Mogtx

i have to point out it is not the police chief that allowed him to bail. it is ‘law makers’ and judges. we dont vote on them they are appointed by the elected officials

Pocket Change
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Pocket Change
6 years ago
Reply to  tax payer

Wrong, arresting officers and jail intake sets the bail. When these guys are dealing millions in hard drug, what is $100k, pocket change?

We the people by the people United we stand!!!!!
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We the people by the people United we stand!!!!!
6 years ago

They’ll still shoot you in the back if you’re in the way of asset/cash stealing. The new California extortion henchmen.!!!!! Stealing our freedom and liberty along with the water board,fish and game,planning Department, and the board of stupidvisors!!!! Let’s elect somebody else as soon as we can. Hansel and his good buddy greasy gavin !!!! Our government is a extortion based corporation!!!!

R-DOG
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6 years ago

If people did not go robbing people and vandalizing stuff and ack right the police would not have this problem anyone out doing stupid shit should be treated as armed suspects far as im concerned

Spectator
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Spectator
6 years ago

It’s crazy how overrun CA has become with weak politicians and weirdos. Authority with impunity is dangerous and needs to be checked but things are a bit harder in practice than they appear on paper. There’s no golden rule that will make everyone comfy. This is the same state that passed SB 239 and is trying to get rid of cash bail in a capitalist country so I’d say the outlook is not great. Further, everything is presented as if it’s a necessary step toward “equality” for a perceived disadvantaged group which is humorous.

And no, I’m not a cop or a conservative. Just someone who gets it.

“The modern dogma is comfort at any cost.”

Central HumCo
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6 years ago
Reply to  Spectator

Capitalist country. Really?

~i’ll go for crony capitalism.

Have you ever owned a business?

tax payer
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tax payer
6 years ago
Reply to  Spectator

i dont believe you have though this through. of course there are things that can be done to make all good people ‘comfy’

Willie Caos-mayham
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6 years ago

????They are the ones leading the charge or at least in the mix of things when they ones going charging after your grows. They do need some sort of local law enforcement to make it all seem legal, right? Plus they get to play with that new RV I mean what else would they need it be for?

James
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James
6 years ago

They beat poor people to death and leave them to die in their cells.

WTF?
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WTF?
6 years ago
Reply to  James

The racoons?

WTF?
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WTF?
6 years ago

I suppose no one who’s complaining has ever had a gun pointed at them. I know if someone aimed a real looking toy gun at me while breaking into my house I would certainly shoot them.

This is an article about LEOs getting training in de-escalation and crisis intervention techniques and you guys are giving them sh*t right now? WTF. Do you all rush home to kick your dogs as well? Just because?

Yeah, OK, we’re all upset about corruption in every angle of our lives. This is not the time to complain about that. When someone is trying to do the right thing.

Thank you LE’s for getting training before it was required. Thank you. It is very much appreciated.

shak
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shak
6 years ago
Reply to  WTF?

It has always been ‘required’. New laws don’t change that. New money for it does, though.
It takes money to incentivize the ‘required’ into the actual act of ‘requiring’.
Now, shell out please.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  WTF?

Good comment.

Thank you.

All people know how to do is react with displeasure.

Willie Caos-mayham
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6 years ago

??And they’ve sent people or should I say our beloved DA has sent people to prison for lesser crimes were they are getting reeducation into doing bigger more violent serious crimes and then released back upon the public without a clue to what there new category of criminal activity has become.

Central HumCo
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6 years ago

“Honsal said that while inappropriate uses of force by “law” enforcement have the public’s attention currently, that “three to four times as many officers are hurt or killed” on the job.”

The facts speak differently:

The rate of fatality for the badged ones is only around 12.6 per 100,000.

If you’re a logger, you have a fatality rate ten times that of a Legal Enforcement Officer.

A fisherman? Almost ten times greater — 117 per 100,000.

A pilot? 53.4 per 100,000. Yes, really — it’s about four times as dangerous to fly a plane or chopper than be a Legal Enforcement Officer.

The guy who puts your roof on? 40.5 per 100,000 — about three times as dangerous.

How about iron workers — you know, the guys who climb steel and put up the buildings you work in? Three times the risk of a Legal Enforcement Officer in dying, most from falls, being crushed by heavy materials or welding accidents.

Your garbage man has a risk of death twice that of a Legal Enforcement Officer. Why? He gets hit by cars or crushed by heavy equipment (yes, it would suck to get caught in that trash compactor in the garbage truck)!

How about the lineman that repairs your power lines? Slightly less than double the risk, and of course the means by which they die are falls and electrocution, mostly.

Truck drivers? Close to double the risk, most from traffic crashes.

Farmers? Same double risk, roughly; getting caught in a tractor p.t.o. is a sh!ty way to die.

Or you could just be a construction laborer. Your risk in that profession is 1.5 times higher than that of a Legal Enforcement Officer (17.3 .vs. 12.6) as well, but nobody cheers for you. Never mind that without said laborers you wouldn’t have a house or an office to work in.

So let’s cut the crap, eh? Being a Legal Enforcement Officer isn’t particularly dangerous, as occupations go.

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
6 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Yes, I agree with your point and supporting facts.

Honsul specifically confused the readers by his less than honest statement. I think he attempted to say that today more LEOs get killed than previously. No kidding Sherlock. There’s no doubt a slew of reasons.

Exercising military assaults (many) into the villages of peaceful pot growers, ain’t deesculation Billy. That’s a shoot first, take photos, write the report, and press release their version out into the population. No, Billy you’re creating a class of people who can’t accept your interpretations of enforcement. You’re blatantly off course. You need to leave this area.

Tired of ignorance
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Tired of ignorance
6 years ago
Reply to  Rod Gass

Higher suicide rate than most of the occupations you list. It’s a depressing job, intimidating your fellow citizens on a daily basis.

shak
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shak
6 years ago

Mainly for those who live in NY and who may or may not have seen what’s on that famous laptop.

tax payer
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tax payer
6 years ago
Reply to  Rod Gass

i thought the article was about the cops killing civilians

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
6 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Big difference in occupations.

Big difference in risk.

Big difference in numbers.

All the occupations you listed and the risk involved are accident-related risks.

Officers pull someone over or drive into a shootout, and someone is trying to kill the officer.

High voltage lines are not intent on killing to stay free of responsability, neither are trash compactors.

Willie Caos-mayham
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6 years ago

??I will be the first one to admit that without them or other police officers this place would be just a ball of Kaos, so thank you for your presents.??

Doggo
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Doggo
6 years ago

They do not give presents. You confuse cops with Santa. At your peril.

Central HumCo
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6 years ago
Reply to  Doggo

Sharpie!

guest
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guest
6 years ago

The Sheriff is right.

Also, Humboldt needs twice the officers it has.

Central HumCo
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6 years ago
Reply to  guest

AS IF there’s a population boom – silly guest.

“Humboldt needs twice the officers it has.”

~there’s 124 on the 2018 payroll records. How many more do you think needed to complete the boxing-in of the herd?

Perhaps, maybe, just maybe, IFF the willingly uninformed were State citizens in the Republic, public serving under the Land jurisdiction -Protect man’s property- i could get behind them.

tax payer
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tax payer
6 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

maybe we just need more taxes and should pay every officer double their wage

Burnt Roach (new handle)
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Burnt Roach (new handle)
6 years ago

After reading these comments, I went and looked up what the duties for a California County Sheriff really are. This is what I found. I like 26604 the best.
2010 California Code
Government Code
Article 1. Duties

GOVERNMENT CODE
SECTION 26600-26616

26600. The sheriff shall preserve peace, and to accomplish this
object may sponsor, supervise, or participate in any project of crime
prevention, rehabilitation of persons previously convicted of crime,
or the suppression of delinquency.

26601. The sheriff shall arrest and take before the nearest
magistrate for examination all persons who attempt to commit or who
have committed a public offense.

26602. The sheriff shall prevent and suppress any affrays, breaches
of the peace, riots, and insurrections that come to his or her
knowledge, and investigate public offenses which have been committed.
The sheriff may execute all orders of the local health officer
issued for the purpose of preventing the spread of any contagious or
communicable disease.

26604. The sheriff shall command the aid of as many inhabitants of
the sheriff’s county as he or she thinks necessary in the execution
of his or her duties.

It goes on…..

If “Billy” orders you to turn in your neighbors for illegal pot growing, better ask “what’s pot?”

Burnt Roach (new handle)
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Burnt Roach (new handle)
6 years ago