Amazon Warehouse Seen as Potential Revenue Lifeline in Tight County Budget

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A Humboldt County supervisors has said an Amazon distribution center slated for McKinleyville will bring much-needed sales tax revenue into the county’s budget.

The new development was discussed as the Board of Supervisors fielded a mid-year budget presentation at its Feb. 10 meeting.

Assistant County Administrative Officer Jessica Maciel said budget spending is expected to exceed income by about $11 million for the fiscal year ending in late June.

It’s less of a deficit than forecasted and while property tax and other revenues have risen, sales tax revenue has been declining and is now flat.

Supervisor Steve Madrone said the county loses sales tax revenue when residents shop online instead of locally. He added that sales tax revenues from online shopping go to the communities where distribution centers are located.

And he suggested the county’s sales tax scenario could change soon.

“If there’s going to be this trend of shopping online, well maybe we ought to have a distribution center so that we get more of our share out of that,” said Madrone. “In fact, there’s one being proposed in McKinleyville at the Airport Business Park as we speak.”

Madrone alluded to social media “chatter” about it but it’s more than a mere rumor.

Redheaded Blackbelt posted an initial report on Feb. 7 confirming that a building permit has been filed and the applicant is a firm “widely known for developing projects for Amazon.”

On Feb. 13, the Lost Coast Outpost reported that the distribution center is indeed one for Amazon, as confirmed by the company in a written statement.

Madrone envisions jobs and tax revenue. “That new distribution center would probably increase our sales tax in the county because that’s in the unincorporated area,” he said.

Asked to confirm if an Amazon distribution center would increase the county’s sales tax revenue, Maciel said, “based on counties with distribution centers currently, I would say most likely, yes.”

Sales tax revenue funds Measure Z, the county’s public safety services fund, which is expected to bring in as much as was forecasted for the current year, about $13 million.

And there was discussion about reducing administration of Measure Z, as now the fund mostly continues paying for previously-funded requests and there’s little room for new ones.

Supervisor Natalie Arroyo wants the community to be made aware of the minimal wiggle room.

“All of our community are losing revenue right now from grant funding sources,” she said. “And I think more of them than usual are looking to Measure Z with hopefulness around one-time funds to continue doing some really meaningful work. So I would want to be able to convey that message, that we expect that to be a much, much smaller pot.”

The tight budget scenario includes leaving positions unfilled.

The increased workload taken on by county employees was noted during a public comment period.

“I can tell you right now that my members feel like they’re being asked to do more with less,” said Drew Redden, the business agent for the county’s employees union. “And we need to do less with less, if we’re going to have less.”

He added, “the expectations that exist for employees is too high for folks – they’re burning out, they’re going away.”

Supervisor Michelle Bushnell said the county “just doesn’t have the funding” to fill the vacant positions and “that goes back to the conversations about having to do more with less.”

Madrone described the situation as “a complicated process” that’s not ideal.

“I think most of the board would really love to see better compensation for all our employees, that’s a real thing,” he said, adding it should be addressed “not with overworking people but by trying to attract folks that are highly productive.”

Supervisors approved a series of modifications to the budget, including increasing the amount of General Fund allocations to county departments by five percent due to what a written staff report describes as the fund’s “improved status.”

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Kris
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Kris
4 months ago

So they have already proven they are not good with money and are happy to have more to waste?

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Ed Voice
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Ed Voice
4 months ago
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Madrone envisions jobs and tax revenue. “That new distribution center would probably increase our sales tax in the county because that’s in the unincorporated area,” he said.

Asked to confirm if an Amazon distribution center would increase the county’s sales tax revenue, Maciel said, “based on counties with distribution centers currently, I would say most likely, yes.”

So they are basing all this on “probably” and “most likely”, instead of documented facts? 

Ed Voice
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Ed Voice
4 months ago
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Read or listen about the same topic in Mendocino County…

https://www.kzyx.org/2025-06-18/amazons-hidden-role-in-local-budget-woes

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
4 months ago
Reply to  Ed Voice

Lower product prices through Amazon, all else being relative, will CERTAINLY result in DECREASED, NOT INCREASED Humboldt County Sales tax revenue…

Maciel ought to know this…

Same with the rest of the Supervisors…

Shipping addresses actually determine where sales tax revenue goes, not where distribution centers are actually located…

Where the distribution centers are located makes ZERO DIFFERENCE…

ZERO…!!!

Who are they trying to fool…???

But more importantly, WHY are they trying to fool everyone else…???

WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO HIDE…???

LETS SEE…

WHAT COULD IT EVEN POSSIBLY BE…???

WAIT A MINUTE…

WHAT IS THE CARBON FOOTPRINT OF AN AMAZON DISTRIBUTION CENTER AND ALL OF ITS ASSOCIATED VEHICLES…???

I THINK THAT IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM THAT THE SUPERVISORS ARE TRYING SO HARD TO CONCEAL…

THAT’S WHERE THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD…!!!

EVERY LITTLE AMAZON PRODUCT DELIVERED THROUGH THIS DISTRIBUTION CENTER, WILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH AN EXTREMELY OVERSIZED AND ENLARGED CARBON FOOTPRINT…!!!

THIS IS PURE HYPOCRISY, WHILE THE SUPERVISORS VIRTUE SIGNAL WITH THEIR SUPPOSED CARBON FOOTPRINT REDUCTION RIGHTEOUSNESS WITH THEIR ONE HAND, THEY BLATANTLY FACILITATE AN AMAZON SIZED INCREASED CARBON FOOTPRINT, AS IF BEHIND THEIR CONSTITUENTS BACKS, WITH THEIR OTHER…!!!

ONE STEP FORWARD, TWO STEPS BACK, IN TYPICAL Humboldt County Supervisor style…

Par for the course, of course…

Ed Voice
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Ed Voice
4 months ago
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If Humboldt County wants to generate more revenue, like “sales tax”, they should use more aggressive sales and marketing to promote itself as a whole, for example:

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/2026/02/12/our-trees-are-bigger-than-yours-good-morning-america-features-eurekas-sequoia-park-zoo/

I don’t remember reading about this on RHBB. You cannot buy that kind of nation wide adverting…

Ed Voice
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Ed Voice
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Sorry, I stand corrected…

Kris
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Kris
4 months ago
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“Where the distribution centers are located makes ZERO DIFFERENCE…
ZERO…!!!”
But they do….
https://kymkemp.com/2026/02/14/amazon-warehouse-seen-as-potential-revenue-lifeline-in-tight-county-budget/#comment-1904829

And why are you shouting?

299
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299
4 months ago
Reply to  Ed Voice

Will this Amazon facility use 6,000 or 7,000 robots like the other ones?

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
4 months ago
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The robotic order pickers? I think they use them at all their facilities to some extent. You still need line workers, handlers, techs, facilities maintenance and a few code jockeys to maintain the software and the IT to run the plant. It’s not all robots and AI.

Inside an Amazon fulfillment center.

By comparison, the Arcata center is rather small. Amazon just dropped $40 million for some Ag land to build a 2,000,000+ sq ft. center in Salinas and 1500-2000 jobs.

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
4 months ago
Reply to  Ed Voice

I’m more curious how the freight is going to get here, that is, if there will be more air traffic, or more truck traffic than there already is. If they’re going to spin off away from the other carriers and go it alone, it may be an increase of both as they have their own Prime trucking, and Alaska Air (who is set to start ACV service in April) provides a lot of planes for their Prime Air deliveries. One or both is going to increase.

Those distro centers operate 24/7 if they’re like any of their other regional ones. Something is always on the road overnight or in the air. The logistics makes sense as far as timing. As it is I rarely can truly get overnight Prime delivery here. It’s always a day or two later.

Bozo
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Bozo
4 months ago

Hmm… The ‘Amazon’ Freight… gets here already.

Big thing the county wants… the sales tax goes to the county/city hosting the distribution center (last touch by Amazon).

They will pick up millions in sales tax by having the center here.

Ed Voice
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Ed Voice
4 months ago
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“hosting”?

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
4 months ago
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Reread that. I said more air or truck traffic than there already is. That includes what Amazon already uses in their partnerships with FedEx, UPS and USPS. Amazon is trying to be standalone in their delivery in far-off places. Arcata isn’t the only place they’re trying to put in distro centers. This is extra traffic on their part.

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TM May
4 months ago
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Possibly…..

melanopsin
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4 months ago

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Poking the bear,
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Poking the bear,
4 months ago
Reply to  melanopsin

The state and county have closed down jobs in humboldt for decades. what do they think was going to happen? If they keep running humboldt the way they have been and its doomed. Of coarse when you take in California as a whole i would say you dont stand a chance of rebuilding the economy.

Cal
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Cal
4 months ago

California has a Four Trillion Dollar economy, up from just One Trillion in 1998.

Democrats are good for business, and the proof is right there.

Amazon, not so much – despite empty words from the Board o’ Stupes.

Amazon’s Bezos is a nazi like Arsley. Shun ’em both.

Mr. Clark
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4 months ago
Reply to  Cal

LOL…..Democrats are good for business? How the F do you work the math on that one?

Cal
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Cal
4 months ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

Money talks and bullshit walks. Four TRILLION. California has the fourth-largest economy in the WORLD compared to other COUNTRIES. Are the capital letters helping you? ‘Cuz the math doesn’t seem to work.

Ahuka 2400
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Ahuka 2400
4 months ago
Reply to  Cal

The size of the state’s economy matters not a whit when it’s citizens are all broke

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
4 months ago
Reply to  Cal

That’s only because its got 40 million people and is bigger than many countries and most states and is on the sea.it would have a bigger economy with republican rule.

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
4 months ago
Reply to  Cal

Cool. You’ve mastered all caps. Now why doesn’t everyone have a home, free health care, and college for all? Other countries with a far lower GDP seem to be able to pull it off, what’s the hold up? What did you spend all that tax money on?

Also CA is 5th now. And #6 and #7 are less than $300Bn behind. You’re slipping.

Geoff
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Geoff
4 months ago
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Biden economy was better than Dump economy. QED

D'Tucker Jebs
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4 months ago
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The U.S. economy has performed much better under Democratic presidents than Republican presidents in the modern era. In almost every measure of the U.S. economy including total job growth, unemployment, economic growth, manufacturing job growth, manufacturing investment, small business creation, and contribution to the national debt, economic performance is stronger under Democrats. https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/democrats/2024/10/the-u-s-economy-performs-better-under-democratic-presidents

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Doubtful that’s a rational idea. Democrats always are elected when the economy is flush and people want to buy. When people get worried about it they elect Republicans. That does not mean either party created the conditions. It just means that the voters are reacting like most people does- spend it when they got it, pull back when they don’t.

will ge
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will ge
4 months ago
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Really? Clinton got us out of Bush Sr’s mess. Obama got us out of Jr’s. mess, and Biden was cleaning up trumps mess. We had the best economy on the planet post Covid. The tariffs cost
$1,000 per household last year. Your theory is wrong.

Realist
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Realist
4 months ago
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How much did bidens high gas and diesel cost each household

Leecee
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Leecee
4 months ago
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You also have to take into account Covid. Throughout the entire world, supply chain disruptions caused massive inflation, and, under Biden, our economy recovered better and more quickly than the rest.
Sidenote: Trump told us Covid would be gone by magic in a couple months (and to look into inhaling bleach to clean out the lungs).

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
4 months ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Not in California or anywhere else.

D'Tucker Jebs
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4 months ago
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Except that our GDP has doubled in the past 15 years– all while having a Democrat Governor and a Democrat Supermajority in the Legislature.
We have also grown to become the fourth largest economy in the world.

Farce
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Farce
4 months ago
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Rich people and very poor people. Highest gas prices and highest electricity prices in the country. Highest taxes- add property, sales, income tax and all the others. Very rich people getting richer. Middle class crater. Most homeless in the nation. 3rd world wealth distribution encouraged by a government run by wealthy Democrats…That’s what California has become. GDP don’t mean crap to the working poor!

John S
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John S
4 months ago
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From a $100 billion surplus to a $73 billion deficit in two years. Please tell me how that is good business? Newsome’s high speed choo choo sure as hell has not been good business, nor has his funding for helping the homeless which has done nothing but increase homelessness in the state.

https://www.hoover.org/research/after-100-billion-surplus-california-now-faces-73-billion-budget-deficit

Cal
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Cal
4 months ago
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Doh, 100 minus 73 = $27 billion surplus over two years.

We’re gonna be okay. Not so sure about you.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 months ago
Reply to  Cal

That’s not how that works. The surplus is gone. It was a $173 billion dollar swing in ledger.

More government = worse government and California has a big economy in spite of democrat crappy policies.

OhNoYouDon't
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OhNoYouDon't
4 months ago
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That math ain’t mathin’ …

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
4 months ago
Reply to  OhNoYouDon't

That “math” just be baitin’.

John S
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John S
4 months ago
Reply to  Cal

That’s some funny math. It tells me that a $100 billion surplus was wastes away leaving no more surplus 0. Then another $73 Billion wasted leaving a $73 billion deficit all in two years. 173 billion wasted. Oh! and don’t worry your pointed little head, I’ll be just fine.

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago
Reply to  Cal

That is a silly idea because they will have spent the projected surplus. In fact they will have committed more money than actually comes in and then the process to take back without political consequences plays out. The real arthimatic will be 100- 100 so no surplus at all.

I like stars
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I like stars
4 months ago
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Democrats are good for business (and rich folks). They’re good for folx who make a living off the welfare industry they’ve created and grown. They’re not good for working people. If they’re allowed to keep going, they will eliminate the middle class entirely. We’ll be left with a small percentage of rich people and a huge percentage of poors entirely dependent on their government and thus entirely under its control.

OhNoYouDon't
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OhNoYouDon't
4 months ago
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Facts.

Farce
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Farce
4 months ago
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Third World wealth distribution curve. Almost there…

Quantum Quipster
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4 months ago

You seem to take a certain schadenfreude in every challenge Humboldt County faces, almost as if our setbacks validate your decision to leave. If your intent is to help communities do better, why not share links to discussions in your current hometown where you’ve offered the same level of “insight”? That would make your criticism a bit easier to take seriously — otherwise, it just looks like you’re rooting against a place that’s no longer yours.

Tootsie Roll Pop Owl
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Tootsie Roll Pop Owl
4 months ago

I blame the ad nauseam talked about serial killers for the humboldt economy !

Apopa
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Apopa
4 months ago

What year did Humboldt county reject Hershey chocolate from building a manufacturing facility locally? And what was the reason used to keep them out?

Tootsie Roll Pop Owl
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Tootsie Roll Pop Owl
4 months ago
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Looks like that good christian Stormy strolling with cult daddy !

Cal
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Cal
4 months ago

Slave labor. I quit Amazon. Bezos is another MAGA nazi. Not happening here.

Mr. Clark
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4 months ago
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You worked for Amazon or you dropped your account with Amazon? MAGA nazi? You do know that the socialism in the failed Arcata and Eureka city councils is more like the NAZI party than anything MAGA right? Take a close look at what the NAZIs did form 1932 to 1938.

Cal
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Cal
4 months ago
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Hmmm. Well, Hitler’s nazis opened their first major concentration camp in 1933.

Dachau.

Does that count?

‘Cuz Trump is opening them here and now.

Hitler’s regime killed between 11 and 17 million people.

An Amazon warehouse could be a step in that direction if Trump and his nazi buds keep winning. You would like that! We get it,

PS Epstein, Epstein, Epstein. Happy Valentine’s Day.

Country Bumpkin
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Country Bumpkin
4 months ago
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Why are you wishing a deceased pedophile and human trafficker a happy Valentine’s Day?

james
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james
4 months ago
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I agree, some of the things Eureka and Arcata during covid were verbatim nazi tactics.

Geoff
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Geoff
4 months ago
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I see. Masked jackbooted thugs ignoring the Constitution is pretty NAZI.

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago
Reply to  Geoff

Trump was always a loose cannon. All the Deomcrats had to do to keep him out of office was to run a candidate that was not a extreme leftist tool of the Progressives. But they could not bear to do it. They could not temper one of their wants to get a compromise candidate. In fact if a Democrat was even faintly realistic, they attacked. All they saw was an opportunity to push through their irrational agenda.. They would rather indulge their hate than keep him out of office.

Given another chance they will do the exact same thing again. There will always be another “jackbooted thug”. Progressives wage war against the average voter by hijacking the government until another demagogue rises to hate them in turn. Progressive commenters keep saying they are not responsible for Trump. True. They are just responsible for him being President.

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Permanently on Monitoring
4 months ago

Another vapid discussion by Arroyo, who is revealing herself to be an idiot, Madrone, an educated man who got himself a $100,000/year job pontificating about “maybe lowering the sales tax”, hmmmmm, and Mrs Bushnell, who never has anything intelligent to say, ever, unless it benefits her alone…

Clearly, the County is going to Hell in a Bucket, and fussing about “online shopping”?

WTF do you think Amazon does?

Amazon’s main problem is the cost of shipping, which they negotiated until nobody wants to deliver their packages…

Obviously, investment in real estate, and workforce and delivery mechanisms will not reduce Amazon’s cost…

Shit, in Lake County I have seen packages delivered from the back of a 30 year-old pickup, driven by god-knows who, working by the contract…

These “Distribution Centers” contain the employees who used to work in stores that sold all kinds of stuff, but Humboldt’s Problem, guys, is, your economy is based in welfare, Social Security, Medicare and Medi-Cal, federal grants and, dope…

The Gold Rush, ended… The Silver Boom, played out, all the “Big Trees” were harvested, and you are left with Farming, and Hardware… Even the Automobile, which used to support people, has become too expensive to operate, insure and repair…

Amazon’s new business model will give similar costs, but East Indian Truckers will flourish… and increased costs will reduce consumption, just like Mr Madrone was muttering about…

I know, it’s hard to do stuff when it’s cold and rainy, but remember this page when you next vote for numb-nuts like the Humboldt County Supervisors…

Get a clue guys! Try anything! It’s the American Way!

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
4 months ago

Why do you always come to these comment sections to lecture us about what we need to do about our economy? You live in one of the 6 counties in California that manages to be even lower income than Humboldt.

At least here people are trying things. Maybe you’ve got some great ideas you’ve seen work out down there in Lake you could share?

The reality is that small, rural counties like Humboldt and Lake don’t have a lot of control over our economies. Whether and what resources can be profitably extracted are usually driven by global market forces and state/ federal regulations, manufacturing is rarely profitable for any company that is going to distribute nationally, and the local market is inherently small.

So I’m not real sure what you expect the county board to do (you never make actual suggestions, just complaints) about a company attempting to develop an appropriate structure on land zoned for that type of use. It seems like a valid point that it will at least keep some of the sales tax that Amazon users are paying already local, which will help since thats how we (as a nation) have chosen to fund local government.

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Permanently on Monitoring
4 months ago

Humboldt and Lake are two cards in the same hand which includes Trinity and Mendocino, which is to say, they are all corrupt, deeply mismanaged by incompetents, and inbred as fuck…

Lake County is an indescribable mishmash of the native and the incipient, a county full of Rednecks and Wealthy Refugees, AFDC Babies and every Federal Program which can be milked…

Humboldt can only dream about affordable, and at least it has some few good points…

Lake County has clean air, terrible roads, backwards government by idiots and Native Americans, and a lot of legacy properties that will never, ever change hands…

You can buy a home here for $200,000. It’s the Fire Insurance you can’t afford…

There is a burgeoning economy in home services, tree service, roofing and yes, delivery driving…

Nobody buys anything here, but there are no stores anyway, and Amazon is only one of the services I use…

You can still live in a cheap place here, and many good jobs exist, if you are not a white male from somewhere else…

I couldn’t stomach Humboldt any more, but it lives on in my heart, and it hurts me to see it ruined by Billionaires and total dumbshits, but that’s just me…

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thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
4 months ago

How has Humboldt been “ruined by billionaires and total dumbshits”?

How has it even been ruined?

Mr. Clark
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4 months ago

Steve Madrone said? He has been trying for years to sell off this business park. I wonder what back door deal he made.

Anyway I have been saying for years when we buy form Scamazon we lose the TAX money we are charged on the purchase. It will be nice to recoup some of that money. But now even in this report you can see the sups counting on where this money will go. It will no doubt be pissed away on social justice BS. Drew Redden said “And we need to do less with less, if we’re going to have less.” Like he is advocating for lazy workers. What an asshat. Now you know why its so hard to do anything with the county, when it involves the employees. Pathetic.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
4 months ago
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How is a business building a warehouse in a business park “selling off” the business park?

What are you even talking about?

Quantum Quipster
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4 months ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

This has bigly “late-night mental masturbation disguised as civic commentary” energy. Maybe let’s cool it on the Scamazon conspiracy theories and focus on facts instead of feelings?

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Geoff
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Geoff
4 months ago

Next–a data center and a nuclear reactor to power it.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
4 months ago

AMAZON WAREHOUSE SEEN AS POTENTIAL REVENUE LIFELINE IN TIGHT COUNTY BUDGET

Supervisor Steve Madrone said the county loses sales tax revenue when residents shop online instead of locally. He added that sales tax revenues from online shopping go to the communities where distribution centers are located.

And he suggested the county’s sales tax scenario could change soon.

“If there’s going to be this trend of shopping online, well maybe we ought to have a distribution center so that we get more of our share out of that,” said Madrone. “In fact, there’s one being proposed in McKinleyville at the Airport Business Park as we speak.”

-Supervisors Steve Madrone-

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“He added that sales tax revenues from online shopping go to the communities where distribution centers are located.”

-Supervisor Steve Madrone-

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This is pure bullshit…

Having a distribution center in McKinleyville will make absolutely zero difference in how much sales tax Humboldt County and or McKinleyville receive…

Where the sales taxes collected for Amazon purchases go is solely determined by the shipping addresses, not where the distribution or fulfillment centers are located…

The County Supervisors are giving Amazon the Royal Treatment, rolling out the red carpet, giving them focused attention, along with focused planning department resource attention, by Planning Department Director John Ford, even though it will make absolutely zero difference sales tax wise, and, in fact, if goods are purchased more inexpensively in Humboldt through Amazon purchasing, instead of through brick and mortar businesses, the County of Humboldt will actually WILL ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE REDUCED SALES TAX REVENUE, NOT ENJOY INCREASED SALES TAX REVENUE…!!!

SNAP OUT OF IT, SUPERVISOR MADRONE, ETC…

THIS AIN’T GONNA BOOST SALES TAX REVENUE ANY MORE THAN YOUR LAST SALES TAX RATE INCREASE FIASCO THAT ACTUALLY RESULTED IN REDUCED SALES TAX REVENUE…!!!

MADRONE, AND THE REST OF YOU SUPERVISORS, MAYBE YOU NEED TO RETHINK THIS…???

Kris
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Kris
4 months ago
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Under California Regulation 1802, if a retailer (like Amazon) has a fulfillment center in a jurisdiction and ships an order from that stock of goods, the “place of sale” can be deemed that fulfillment center. This means McKinleyville (and Humboldt County, since McKinleyville is unincorporated) would suddenly capture tax revenue that was previously leaking out to other parts of the state.
2. Direct vs. Pooled RevenueCurrently, much of the sales tax Humboldt receives from online shopping comes through a countywide pool. This pool is shared among all cities in the county. However, if a fulfillment center is physically located in the county:

  • A larger portion of the tax is directly allocated to the specific jurisdiction where the warehouse sits.
  • For McKinleyville, which is unincorporated, this money goes into the Humboldt County General Fund, potentially boosting local services like the Sheriff’s Office or Measure Z funds.

3. The “Last-Mile” DistinctionThere is one caveat: the type of facility matters.

  • Fulfillment Centers: These are large warehouses where products are stored. These generate the most sales tax for the local area.
  • Delivery Stations (“Last-Mile”): These are smaller hubs where packages just arrive to be put on vans. If the facility doesn’t “own” or store the inventory (i.e., it’s just a pass-through), it might not generate as much direct sales tax. However, even these usually bring in property taxes and employment-related economic boosts that weren’t there before.
  • ai-

Cons- If an Arcata resident orders a package that comes through the McKinleyville center, Arcata loses the local tax it used to get, and the County gains it.

Kris
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Kris
4 months ago
Reply to  Kris

In California, there is a 1% local sales tax (the Bradley-Burns tax).

  • The Current Problem: Right now, when you buy something on Amazon, that 1% usually goes to the city where the warehouse is located (like Tracy or San Bernardino). Humboldt County currently gets zero of that money.
  • The Solution: Because the new facility is in an unincorporated area (McKinleyville), the county can finally claim that 1% on orders processed through this site. Supervisor Steve Madrone specifically noted that this allows the county to “get our share” of the online shopping trend.
The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
4 months ago
Reply to  Kris

It’s not a fulfillment center, it’s a distribution center…

Big difference…

From the fulfillment center, it goes to the distribution center, and from the distribution center, to the customer..

Please show me where it says anywhere that the distribution center proposed for McKinleyville, will be a fulfillment center…

You are mixing up “apples and oranges”…

Let’s not kid ourselves…

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4 months ago
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I don’t think that Amazon’s internal classifications matter to the california code. The code referenced above says that, for purposes of the relevant tax,

“the place of sale is the city, county, or city and county from which delivery or shipment is made.”

Which sure sounds like it would apply to this facility for any deliveries made from there.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
4 months ago

amazon warehouse vs distribution center for sales tax purposes

“Amazon warehouses (fulfillment centers) create physical sales tax nexus, requiring inventory storage tracking for tax obligations, whereas last-mile distribution/sort centers usually do not, as they only handle goods in transit.

Fulfillment centers store inventory, creating nexus (taxable presence), while sort centers act as logistics, which generally do not create nexus.

Key Differences for Sales Tax Purposes

Amazon Fulfillment Centers (Warehouses): Storing goods here creates physical nexus in that state.

Sellers must register and potentially collect sales tax, though Marketplace Facilitator laws often shift collection duties to Amazon

Sort Centers / Distribution Centers:

These facilities handle items already in the stream of commerce (sold/in transit), generally not creating nexus for inventory storage

Sales Tax Allocation (e.g., California):

In some jurisdictions, the 1% local tax component is allocated to the location of the warehouse (origin-based) rather than the buyer

Liability:

If inventory is stored in a warehouse, nexus is created, regardless of whether it is a primary or satellite facility.

Key Takeaways for Sellers
Inventory Storage:

If products are stored in an Amazon warehouse, nexus is established

Marketplace Facilitator Laws:

In most states, Amazon collects and remits tax, but registration may still be required

Sort Centers:

These usually don’t trigger new tax obligations. Amazon warehouses (fulfillment centers) create physical sales tax nexus, requiring inventory storage tracking for tax obligations, whereas last-mile distribution/sort centers usually do not, as they only handle goods in transit.

Fulfillment centers store inventory, creating nexus (taxable presence), while sort centers act as logistics, which generally do not create nexus.

Key Differences for Sales Tax Purposes

Amazon Fulfillment Centers (Warehouses):

Storing goods here creates physical nexus in that state. Sellers must register and potentially collect sales tax, though Marketplace Facilitator laws often shift collection duties to Amazon

Sort Centers / Distribution Centers: These facilities handle items already in the stream of commerce (sold/in transit), generally not creating nexus for inventory storage

Sales Tax Allocation (e.g., California): In some jurisdictions, the 1% local tax component is allocated to the location of the warehouse (origin-based) rather than the buyer

Liability:

If inventory is stored in a warehouse, nexus is created, regardless of whether it is a primary or satellite facility.

Key Takeaways for Sellers
Inventory Storage:

If products are stored in an Amazon warehouse, nexus is established.

Marketplace Facilitator Laws: In most states, Amazon collects and remits tax, but registration may still be required
Sort Centers: These usually don’t trigger new tax obligations.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
4 months ago
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is that just an AI overview you generated or is it from a source that is actually proficient in california tax codes?

Kris
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Kris
4 months ago

He is a WC Fields fan and is trying to dazzle you.
The  1% Bradley-Burns local tax applies.

He actually just proved himself wrong.

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Quantum Quipster
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4 months ago
Reply to  Kris

Did you actually read it? He doesn’t include the prompts that he gives the AI bot and never includes sources so it’s a bunch of nonsense as far as anybody can tell.

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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
4 months ago

I always include the prompts…

Quantum Quipster
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4 months ago
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If you do I apologize. I hadn’t noticed. It’s easy to have AI bots sycophantly spit out what we want to hear, same as “newsy” entertainment sites. Not like fact checked real journalists must do every day, tell the truth as far as they can verify.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
4 months ago

inks are included in the ai search results, but for whatever reason, aren’t included when cut and pasted…

If you search the same query, you might be provided the links that there are to be found….

But that’s entirely up to you.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
4 months ago

What kind of Amazon facilities do not generate sales tax revenue for the locations they are developed in?

“Amazon facilities that generally do not generate local sales tax revenue include sort centers, last-mile delivery stations, and purely storage-focused warehouses (non-inventory transfer hubs). These facilities often function as logistics, sorting, or temporary holding locations rather than the point of sale, failing to create a local sales tax “nexus”.

Sort Centers:

These act as intermediate hubs where items are sorted for logistics, but the inventory is already in the “stream of commerce” (purchased), meaning they do not generate local sales tax.

Last-Mile/Delivery Stations:

These handle the final delivery, but, as with sort centers, they do not trigger local sales tax, which is typically allocated to where the order is placed or the primary fulfillment center.

Non-Fulfillment Warehouses:

Shifting a facility from a “fulfillment center” (where orders are processed) to a “distribution center” or warehouse can eliminate expected, significant local sales tax revenue for a city.

Locations with No Local Use Tax:

In certain jurisdictions, such as some areas in Idaho, Iowa, and Mississippi, local governments may lack the authority to collect “use taxes” even if Amazon has a presence, leading to no local tax revenue.

The key distinction is that sales tax is typically allocated to the location where the order is placed or the primary fulfillment center, not the logistical,, sorting, or final delivery location.”

___________________________________

California also has Amazon sort centers. Visit our “Where are the Amazon sort centers?” post to find out more about sort centers. (The best news? Sort centers don’t create nexus!)

Keep in mind that some Amazon facilities are sort centers or other types of distribution centers, which does not create sales tax nexus.

https://www.taxjar.com/blog/retail/amazon-warehouse-locations#:~:text=Keep%20in%20mind%20that%20some,of%20Amazon%20sort%20centers%20here.

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Kris
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Kris
4 months ago
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LOL,,,,,, Gemini said:
That information is outdated and relies on a misunderstanding of how California tax law changed in 2021. While “last-mile” hubs in other states might not generate tax, the rules in California are very different.

See below.

Kris
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Kris
4 months ago
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The Beatles/Taxman

Let me tell you how it will be
There’s one for you, nineteen for me
‘Cause I’m the taxman
Yeah, I’m the taxman
Should five percent appear too small
Be thankful I don’t take it all
‘Cause I’m the taxman
Yeah, I’m the taxman
I’ll tax the street
(If you try to sit, sit) I’ll tax your seat
(If you get too cold, cold) I’ll tax the heat
(If you take a walk, walk) I’ll tax your feet
(Taxman)
‘Cause I’m the taxman
Yeah, I’m the taxman

Kris
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Kris
4 months ago
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This applies even to last mile distribution centers.

The “Ship-From” Rule: In California, the 1% Bradley-Burns local tax is often sourced to the place where the inventory is located at the time of sale.
The McKinleyville Twist: Since this facility is in an unincorporated area, if it is classified as the “point of sale” for orders fulfilled there, that tax revenue goes directly to Humboldt County’s General Fund rather than a specific city.
County Perspective: Supervisors (like Steve Madrone) have publicly stated they view this center as a “revenue lifeline” to help close budget gaps. By having the facility inside the county line, they capture a slice of the tax on every package that passes through, which they previously lost to fulfillment centers in the Central Valley or out of state.
ai-
Will also bring in property and employment related taxes.

By the way Amazon ships both apples and oranges.

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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
4 months ago
Reply to  Kris

This will be an intermediate shipping point, not where inventory is primarily located…

This will most likely be where large aggregated shipments flown in to the airport, will be further sorted into specific last local delivery routes…

The primary sales point, from warehouses with full inventories, are likely far far away…

But keep kidding yourself, all you want…

I would wager that your Bradley-Burns tax will not apply…

The supervisors never mentioned it most likely because it won’t apply…

One would think that you could at least admit that cheaper products will generate decreased, not increased, sales tax revenue, all else being relative…

Because, that’s just common sense…

Kris
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Kris
4 months ago
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Nope most deliveries to these type of hubs are by truck.

  • Inventory does NOT have to be “primarily located” at a site for that site to matter for tax purposes.
  • Even temporary possession, sorting, or staging of goods can be relevant — depending on how the retailer is classified and how sales are sourced.

ai-

Your “common sense” argument is a logical fallacy in this context because it ignores the difference between tax rate and tax allocation.

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
4 months ago
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I did post a link to what a fulfillment center op looks like, only to show what the order picker robots look like and mention that it’s not just all robots. Distribution centers are of course, different and actually would have more human hands working in them.

Disgusted
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Disgusted
4 months ago

It’s time our economy was about more than resource extraction. “Clean industry” like this is what we need, we’ve suffered too long with too many CC regs and eco-groovy thinking that seems to do nothing but limit progress and local growth that makes sense. Our families need jobs, housing, schools and goods. Get your politics out of my ability to survive here where not much is available or affordable. Maybe mind your own business for a freakin’ change.

Sparky
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4 months ago

I definitely dislike this company and the idea of a robot operation warehouse and self driving delivery trucks. However check out the new Slate vehicle, unfortunately only EV , but it’s almost as cool as my 1st gen 4Runner…

My point being if the business model was to bring in a new manufacturing facility (Real Jobs) then I might listen with optimism.

…Kym these new adds are awful and I dislike the website a lot more for selling us out.

Finally, I figured people would destroy humby with cheep plastic china crap!

This area should get more respect and these days ahead are not looking good.

☮️ ❤️ 🇺🇸

Testy
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Testy
4 months ago
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The ads have begun to border on National Enquirer level of bizarre 😂- a separate form of entertainment – but can be intrusive with the diabolical page-hijacking bottom ad banner behavior, harvesting unintended clicks.

No shame in the hustle, but have to agree – the user end has gotten rough.

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
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The new batch of ads covering the screen are unacceptable and I’ve reached out to Ezoic and told them they have to be fixed. That said, last month I had to dip into savings in order to pay me a salary. If you want Redheaded Blackbelt, there has to be an uptick in donations or we’ve got to have some form of ad revenue.

I’m not selling you out. I’m trying desperately to survive so I can provide this needed service.

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Kris
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Kris
4 months ago
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You took money out of savings to pay yourself a salary? Ummm…What is the point of that?

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Kris

I took money out of RHBB’s account that I use to pay for upgrades and for unexpected story needs to pay me personally so I could pay my personal bills. That doesn’t seem like a hard concept. It is certainly not sustainable though.

Entering a world of pain
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Entering a world of pain
4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Thank you kym for all you do. I’m sure those of us who have been reading your site for years know these ads wouldn’t even be here unless it was totally necessary to keep this vital local service afloat

Bill Hogoboom
Member
4 months ago

And yet you’re still a guest.

Quantum Quipster
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4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Does everybody know that if you become a monthly sustaining member you get bragging rights? Pretty tight.

Bill Lutjens
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4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Brave browser blocks ads by default

https://brave.com/download/

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Bill Lutjens

Bill, I understand the desire to block ads but if you and other readers do that, then I get less ad revenue and you are contributing to the demise of a website that you use.

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Sparky
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4 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Sorry Kym, I woke up my sweet heart on Valentine’s morning when an ad got loose on full volume.

Thank you for putting up with my criticism after all these years!

Happy lovers day
😉 💓 🥂

Kym Kemp
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4 months ago
Reply to  Sparky

That would make me cranky, too.

Redway dweller
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Redway dweller
4 months ago

What, exactly, is the point of having an industrial business park if industrial businesses aren’t wanted there? What economic engine are you going support if not the ones that actually want to be here? News flash: economic drivers aren’t exactly beating down the doors to get into Humboldt County. Why would they when such drama ensues?

I’m having a hard time understanding how this is such a bad thing. Humboldt County residents are already buying oodles of stuff from Amazon. Even though I prefer to shop local, I often shop Amazon because local just doesn’t have what I need. I don’t see this distribution center affecting local businesses at all.

UPS and FedEx are not going to shut down over this distribution center. Yes, routes may be adjusted, and yes, that may lead to a few less drivers needed. Adjustments in the face of competition usually lead to greater efficiencies and better service. As a consumer, I see that as a plus.

If you think Amazon’s working conditions are “slave labor,” then don’t work there. And if you’ve been mistreated, go to the labor board and pursue action. I have family members who work at Amazon facilities. They say the work is hard, but the pay is fair and the benefits better than they’ve had at other jobs.

I haven’t yet seen a valid argument against this facility.

suspence
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suspence
4 months ago

I’d rather have a wind farm and a fish farm. F Bezos.

Tootsie Roll Pop Owl
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Tootsie Roll Pop Owl
4 months ago
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Shhhhh , the heavens to maga todds will get their panties in a bunch for that comment !

another guest
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another guest
4 months ago

there will be no new tax revenue

just like Mendo
who is getting nothing in new tax revenue

These are “last mile” distribution centers

and will not add any new sales tax revenue.

Amazon already won on this one

Mendo and Humboldt are such suckers
its embarrassing

Redway dweller
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Redway dweller
4 months ago
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Of course Amazon won. Why would they make the investment if there wasn’t a good chance of great returns? That’s how business works: those who take the risk reap more benefit. But can’t the local community win too? Perhaps there isn’t an increase in sales tax revenue, but there will certainly be an increase in property tax revenue and permit revenue, as well as local businesses benefitting from some of the construction related sales and ongoing maintenance. Is that not a possibility? Yes, yes, I know. Outside suppliers and contractors will be brought in. But even with that, many local suppliers and sub-contractors are used on these projects.

Yabut
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Yabut
4 months ago
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Even if there is no sales tax increase, any wages paid to locals working there will generate sales tax when they buy. It’s not like being able to milk a business for tax should the ultimate goal of government. The goal should be to create a good life for its citizens. The only reason for sales tax is to fund that. Besides, won’t they pay property tax, various district assessments, and other fees and levies?

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
4 months ago
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Do the supervisors really not understand this…???

Or are they just trying to pull the wool over their constituents’ eyes…???

Either way, it doesn’t reflect very well on any of them…

This is the kind of thing that they are paid with our tax money to clearly understand…

Graham Nash Bridges
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Graham Nash Bridges
4 months ago

More slaves for one of the worst companies on the planet. Hope you all have fun.
I am banned from Amazon for life for speaking out against their vile policies and Prime pornography. They sent me an email last year. Monsters of woke can kiss my patriotic butt.

DL Perry
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DL Perry
4 months ago

Killing unflattering and unwanted speech is straight out of the tech bro oligarchy’s (and their enablers’) playbook.

RDrn
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RDrn
4 months ago
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The bros also do union busting on steroids. Though Amazon workers have prevailed and unionized in California, Canada, Georgia, Italy, Japan, New York, and the U.K.

Landell
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Landell
4 months ago

Humboldt County and Amazon. Two bottom feeders finally getting joined at the hip. How apropos.

Farmer
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Farmer
4 months ago

Wow. You destroyed our economy, and now you’re preparing to hand our county over to whoever shows up with a checkbook. Before you sell out our community and our culture to big‑box developers, release the audit files and explain what happened to Measure S? Because im pretty sure we have room to take away a good portion of those raises. No one in government should make more than the median income of the county they serve IMHO

Farce
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Farce
4 months ago

The coolest part about it is that if Amazon doesn’t work out the warehouse can be used to detain illegal immigrants before deportation. So convenient right next to the airport! Other towns are finding their warehouses being converted by Homeland Security into illegal alien detainment facilities and we could be too! That Homeland Security money being spent in our county could be a much needed economic boost- and isn’t that what it’s all about? So glad we “legalized” weed so we can now devise new strategies for income for our county!!

icwhatudidthere
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icwhatudidthere
4 months ago

One of the best views of the ocean in McKinleyville is gonna be a warehouse, and then I imagine a data center. Taking a play out of the Eureka waterfront playbook i see.

justsayin
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justsayin
4 months ago

This would be great but anyone who’s lived in this county for a few years knows it will never happen. Some group of environmentalists, anti somethings or just a bunch of bored lunatics will start bitching and suing and Amazon will go somewhere else. It’s been happening for decades and won’t be any different this time.

Susanknows
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4 months ago

Resist the corporate subjugators and buy local and organic. Boycott Amazon. Why does Bezos need a yacht so big what is he compensating for? Stand up against this fraudulent man and all he offers for it will not bring you prosperity, only into his own coffers will your money go and when the workers rise up and ask for respect he takes his robotic operation elsewhere. Why does he look like Dr. Evil?