‘Religious Views in American Healthcare Uphold White Supremacy and Increase Poverty,’ Says Letter to the Editor

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Letter to the Editor

When I learned about Providence St. Joseph Hospital’s egregious defiance of California state law in denying necessary emergency abortion care, as alleged by Attorney General Rob Bonta earlier this month, I was personally horrified as a parent, community member, and someone who works in anti-poverty. Providence’s reproductive health policies contribute to Humboldt County’s stubbornly high poverty rate of 19% living at or below 100% of the Federal Poverty Line. Their near-monopoly on hospital services has the entire community on its knees by denying reproductive choice and imposing enormous financial burdens. Let’s take a look at how we in the U.S. got to this point in our abortion access crisis.

America’s relationship with abortion has been historically inconsistent. The early colonizers openly accepted the use of herbal abortifacients. There were no significant “moral qualms” about reproductive rights until the 20th century. Prior to that abortion restrictions were directly linked to fears of “great replacement” and desperation to maintain White dominance. The Civil War had decimated 2.5% of the White male population and it propelled women into less traditional roles as they entered the workforce and institutions of higher education in growing numbers. Fertility rates dropped significantly between 1800 and 1900 from an average of seven children per family to four children. The term “race suicide” was coined to whip up White panic. Fears of losing the supremacy of Whiteness fanned the flames of forced birth mentality politically, so much so that by the 1930’s abortion was prohibited in the majority of states. These restrictions made necessary the underground network of abortion providers that would eventually build the movement that inspired the passage of Roe vs. Wade.

The alignment of forced birth mentality and religious conviction was largely influenced by the passage of Roe vs. Wade and other social changes in American life. The Supreme Court desegregated colleges and professional schools in the 1940’s. The Civil Rights Act desegregated public schools. The growth of private, often Christian affiliated, schools boomed in the South.

The imagined oppression of White conservatives and fear of losing power was fueled by shifting American attitudes around race and women’s rights. Post-Roe efforts to repeal bodily autonomy were initially a largely Catholic endeavor that would form the National Right to Life Committee who would heavily influence the passage of the Hyde Amendment that prohibits the use of federal funds for abortion. Meanwhile, the forced birth movement attracted Mormon and Evangelical conservatives. Evangelicals began effectively politically organizing within the pews, and abortion became a favorite rallying cry. Dr. Anthea Butler, Chair of Religious Studies at the University of Pennsylvania succinctly stated that “Evangelicals always use morality to put forth issues that will allow them to have political power.” And did they ever get it with help from forced birth mentality.

Is there a clear link between this modern “moral” panic and the “race suicide” panic of the 19th century? One can pontificate on the earnest motivation of individual forced birthers for days. What can’t be disputed is the disproportionate impact of erased reproductive care access on oppressed peoples and all persons with a uterus. The passage of Roe ushered in increased rates of high school graduation and college admission among Black women. The passage of Roe resulted in a 28% decline in Black maternal mortality. Compared to similar countries, America is the most dangerous place to be pregnant and give birth. The National Institute of Health reports that Black women have a maternal mortality rate 2.9 times higher when compared to White women. The National Partnership for Women and Families 11-year study of 9 million deliveries found Black women had a 53% higher risk of dying in a hospital, regardless of their economic status. This is the undeniable impact of systemic White supremacy.

The abhorrent Dobbs ruling of 2022 is already deepening the disproportion. As of 2024, Black and Indigenous women ages 18-49 are more likely to live in states with abortion bans, have higher rates of uninsurance, and limited transportation options. The growing restrictions on abortion continue to be studied, but the state of Texas serves as the canary in a coal mine for a national ban. Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health researchers discovered that “in 2022, infant deaths in Texas increased by 12.9% compared to 2021, which was higher than the 1.8% increase in the rest of the United States. Maternal mortality rates in Texas have been increasing since 1999. Between 2020 and 2022, Texas had a maternal mortality rate of 35–51 deaths per 100,000 births. Texas is considered one of the worst states for women’s health and reproductive care.”

Numbers do not lie. Results from the 2022 UCSF Turnaway Study revealed that 72% of women who could not access abortion lived in poverty after five years compared to 55% for those who could access abortion. Those who could not access abortion services were more likely to be unable to afford basic living expenses, more likely to be in debt and had an 81% increase in reports of bankruptcy, eviction, and tax liens. I am angered daily that I was denied a tubal ligation when I birthed my youngest child at SJH in 2014 because of their religious oppression. Religious beliefs have no place in politics, public education, and healthcare in these Secular United States of America—and certainly not in our emergency rooms.

Heidi McHugh is a Eureka resident who wants Humboldt County to know that non-profit hospitals like Providence are bound to offer financial assistance in exchange for their tax status. A full 55% of Humboldt County residents are eligible for this assistance. If you would like help in obtaining assistance, DollarFor.Org has crushed $61 million dollars in hospital debt for Americans. Humboldt Abortion Access Advocates is collecting stories of people who went through experiences like this at St. Joe’s. If you want to share your story, do it at this link.

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Prometheus
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Prometheus
1 year ago

The writer is unhinged.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Prometheus

The men that don’t get it are unhinged
And many of these same men refuse to pay child support
And we haven’t even spoken about miscarriages, rapes, and incest
So before anymore uneducated cavemen comment in this section, have several seats..
and a blessed day

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Permanently on Monitoring
1 year ago
Reply to  Prometheus

Remember:

Healthcare is a business.

Healthcare is not a service.

You get a choice of which healthcare provider you consume from…

In Humboldt, women are not respected, treated with dignity or even desired as patients, by Providence.

Nobody wants to touch Labor and Delivery, in Humboldt, because the patients are disproportionately on Medicaid and haven’t had access to prenatal care, which leads to outcomes which expose the facility to legal actions.

In the case of the woman who was “dumped” by the ER, the negligence and malpractice was extreme, but catholic facilities have rules that providers are bound by employment contracts to operate under…

Expect a large settlement. Expect no change in policies…

As Freud stated: “The whole thing [religion] is so patently infantile, so foreign to reality, that to anyone with a friendly attitude to humanity it is painful to think that the great majority of mortals will never be able to rise above this view of life.” and that said over 100 years ago…

Ellie
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1 year ago

I would just add that “You get a choice of which healthcare provider you consume from…” is not true in Humboldt County any more, unless you have money to go out of the area or are medically qualified for and can afford a non-hospital birth (and even then, you’d need a hospital if things go wrong). Providence St. Joseph’s is the only remaining hospital in the county with an obstetrics unit, as of this month, when Mad River closed its labor & delivery ward.
Also, yes, Catholic facilities have their own rules, but they are still bound by state law like everybody else. According to the AG:
“Providence’s policy bars doctors from providing life-saving or stabilizing emergency treatment when doing so would terminate a pregnancy, even when the pregnancy is not viable. Not only does this violate California law, this policy discriminates against pregnant patients as the hospital chooses the decision for them. 
Today’s complaint alleges Providence violated California’s Emergency Services Law (the state level analogue to the federal EMTALA statute), the Unruh Civil Rights Act, and the Unfair Competition Law.”

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Earthquake weather again this morning
1 year ago
Reply to  Ellie

And it’s sick. You don’t choose or shop for healthcare. Unless it’s dangled in front of you: Die if you suck, get a face lift if you’re rich? Is that what Perm is celebrating. F to the capital FUCK THAT!

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
1 year ago

Large corporate, managed, health care really took off after WWII. The business part ate up that industry and didn’t look back. Religious involvement goes back centuries, like during ancient Romans and Greek times where people like Galen and Hippocrates tried to pull religion (or belief that maladies were a curse from the gods) away, to early Christian monks that were the only people around that gave a crap about medicine and healthcare whatsoever. It was part of their dogma. What managed faith-based healthcare has become is a complete shit show, especially for Humboldt where they’ve been slowly creeping in and either taking over clinics of any given specialty or pushing them out of the area. Also it’s real hard to stay in business as a small clinic if you don’t have customers that are not also receiving Medicare or other supplemental insurance as it’s a real pain to get your own bills paid when dealing with government insurance. There’s a push for nationalized (full government control) health care and a push against it. Nationalized care doesn’t help the small clinics, and they get in trouble if they bill Medicare more than MC thinks it should pay. It helps the corporate systems, and in Humboldt’s case: Providence. So which bully do you go up against here so you don’t have to drive 5 hours to find a specialist that doesn’t have a year long wait?
We’re stuck between a rock and a hard place, with nothing to leverage. Our residents are still getting sick, injured, need teeth pulled, chemo, vaccinations or just a couple Tylenol from their overnight stay that doesn’t cost $40 and a visiting MD to pop in for 5 minutes to say “yep, you look sick” and you’re in the hole for $4500 (that would be me several years ago).
“B-b-b-b-t nobody made you live in BFE and rural care always sucks!” Yeah, we get that. Noted. But the levels of suck don’t have to keep getting worse either. This shouldn’t be battlefield medicine, faith-based or otherwise.

Ellie
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1 year ago

‘“B-b-b-b-t nobody made you live in BFE and rural care always sucks!” Yeah, we get that. Noted. But the levels of suck don’t have to keep getting worse either. This shouldn’t be battlefield medicine, faith-based or otherwise.’

Well said.

Mr. Clark
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1 year ago

OooH Paalease….A tubal ligation? An abortion? Last time i checked planned parenthood can take care of all your needs right here in Eureka. And you can put your White Supremacy on a shelf right next to climate change.

ABA
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ABA
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

So…the shelf of problems that clearly exist but you deny, out of some weird ignorance?

old guy
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old guy
1 year ago
Reply to  ABA

look up margret sanger if you believe ‘whipped up white panic’

Ellie
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1 year ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

Planned Parenthood is great, but it’s not the emergency room.
If you are experiencing a medical emergency, such as an in-progress miscarriage with emergency symptoms, and abortion is the standard of care, you are shit out of luck in Humboldt County with Providence as your only hospital obstetrics option, according to the AG’s lawsuit.
Additionally, tubal ligation/salpingectomy are commonly offered, for those who want it, during or immediately after hospital birth. Besides providing birth control, “a salpingectomy may help reduce the risk of future ovarian cancer” (American College of OBGYNs).
Why should a new mom with an infant in Humboldt County not be able to get this health care when she delivers her baby, if she wants it? Again, Providence is now our only hospital delivery option. Why should she have to schedule, pay for, get child care for, transport herself to/from, and recover from a completely separate procedure?

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1 year ago
Reply to  Ellie

Oh and they refused me a tubal during a c section as well. Each procedure was done separately, with more recovery time, more time lost from work, more expense to the system, while single parenting, and living off grid to hide and recover from the abuser.
Thanks St Joe’s!?

Ellie
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1 year ago

Ugh! I’m sorry. Thanks for sharing.

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago
Reply to  Ellie

First, Providence has offered an apology although for exactly what is unclear as not reported. The details of what happened are not given. Only an allegation as yet unanswered. Providence might actually agree that the service should have been done and it was just a bad decision by some individual practitioner. We have not been told.
Anyway obviously Providence is not the only option for demanded service as the woman in the law suit went to Mad River and got it. I think what you are complaining about is that you feel Providence should be required to offer any service “commonly offered” wanted without regard to the owners religious (or for that matter non-religious) convictions. Not because it is the only option but because it offends the people without that religious conviction.
I’d agree with the idea that such services should be available but fail to see why the government can feel free to sue Providence for failing to provide it when the current Administration literally ensured rural maternity care disappearing by refusing to have Medi-Cal reimbursement rates high enough to cover the regulations it imposed while simultaneously making that the most common insurance. (and being done by an agency head by all accounts in planning to run for another office the same political party who has been busy using his office to do encourage the public to sue like in https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-bonta-today-we-protect-hardworking-californians-not-big-oil for the purpose). Mad River closed their maternity service directly due to that political choice.

Ellie
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1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

You write: ‘I think what you are complaining about is that you feel Providence should be required to offer any service “commonly offered” wanted without regard to the owners religious (or for that matter non-religious) convictions.’
I and others are complaining because we feel the Providence ER should provide stabilizing emergency treatment and orderly transfers, in accordance with state law, without discrimination toward pregnant patients. AG: “Providence’s policy bars doctors from providing life-saving or stabilizing emergency treatment when doing so would terminate a pregnancy, even when the pregnancy is not viable. Not only does this violate California law, this policy discriminates against pregnant patients as the hospital chooses the decision for them.”

You also write: ‘Anyway obviously Providence is not the only option for demanded service as the woman in the law suit went to Mad River and got it.’
1) Mad River obstetrics unit is now closed, as of Oct 2024.
2) AG: ‘Providence discharged her with instructions to drive to a small community hospital nearly 12 miles away. On the way out the door, Providence handed Nusslock a bucket and towels “in case something happens in the car.”’
Further from the AG’s underlying complaint document: “The risks of even short delays were borne out in Anna’s case, as the doctor who performed her D&E at Mad River noted that Anna was ‘actively hemorrhaging’ by the time she reached the operation room.” https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/attachments/press-docs/Providence%20Complaint%20.pdf
Some “options.”

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1 year ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

Keep being an ostrich and a ? and a ?
But I will use your ignorance as a vehicle to make a few points….
Clearly you haven’t checked pp. Many ridiculous laws in ridiculous states REQUIRE these procedures be completed in hospitals. Churches run hospitals due to high profits and zero taxes. Some churches and religions traffic in white supremacy from inception until today

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Permanently on Monitoring
1 year ago

Honestly, the Catholic Church is too sketchy to be in charge of anything…

Rapist Priests, backwards ideas, and the high prevalence in Non-White Countries tend to refute the “White Supremacy” tilt of this item.

Personally, I feel that worshiping an invisible, omniscient and ever-living entity with a long white beard and the whole idea of heaven and hell, is primitive, exclusionary, idiotic and positively antique…

The idea that this flaccid and piratical organization needing to operate a large corporation to obtain common income is outrageous.

The Catholic Church has enslaved and indentured billions, and simultaneously caused poverty in the least privileged people on earth, constantly selling the idea that even the poorest among us can “enjoy the Kingdom Of Heaven” while punching out every child possible as fast as possible…

Biologists call this the “Reproduction Speciality” where one species wins out by over-reproducing and dominating the environment.

Catholicism is for idiots, which is why, most probably, their Hospitals exist in the poorest of communities, where the Catholics continue to impose their morality and sell their absurdly anachronistic brand of religion…

Churches have no business in dispensing healthcare, especially when the healthcare dispensed is mediated by religious views.

Thanks for your well-constructed item.

old guy
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old guy
1 year ago

in view of all you said, why trust any of your medical care ‘to idiots’? abortion is not the government’s business, not anybody’s but a consenting doctor, and a consenting patient. should be available as long as a provider isn’t forced to do it against their will or beliefs, and i don’t pay for it, you pay for it yourself.

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1 year ago
Reply to  old guy

Cool… then where’s the law that says the pregnant person doesn’t have to pay for it without the financial support of the impregnator?
Since when do any of us go to a job where we get to refuse to do things because we don’t want to?
And we all pay taxes that support our communities, many of which go to things we don’t support…starting and continuing wars, paying cops, politicians and university provosts overinflated salaries, giving Elon’s apartheid, racist ass one more dime for his space junk. Yet , here we are…

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago

Conscientious objectors, people getting reasonable accommodations for medical conditions or religious beliefs, union stewards, almost any member of any legislature, any number of elected officials, people working in supported employment, etc. Oh, and those who call in sick because they want to go to a concert or sleep late. Or spend time in the toilet to avoid doing something at work- pretty much anyone at some point. Oh, and those who work for any employer who doesn’t want to provide a service just because some customer thinks thats part of the job.
Now let’s talk about the other side of the coin- people not working at all but demanding public taxes pay for their food, medical care, education, housing, etc as if they did and who still feel abused by anyone else who is working and watching their hard earned money going to support people they don’t agree with and are complaining about it.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

Waaaaaah. That’s what I’m hearing.
Where are the so called “ men” that take responsibility for their sperm? Trust that they are few and far between. And you’re mad mothers step into the role “men” refuse and take care of those children by any means necessary? Best believe being mother and father is a lot of work and not for the faint at heart. I stepped my pussy up and got the work done( and paid my taxes)You’re welcome!
Perhaps you’re suggesting we should let those children loose in the forest to fend for themselves the way some locals deal with feral cats? Asking for a friend….
Or perhaps you are just saddened by uncontrollable monthly bleeding? I hear there’s a great program in Minnesota on taxpayer dollars. My guess would be that you’d like us to get medieval with it instead

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago

You don’t understand anything about me. I’m not even sure you comprehended what I wrote. Your response is one long hyperbolic adolescent rant as if simply saying your comments are full of mistakes and misunderstandings gives permission whiz on and on without any need to be either civil or sensible. Or even rational.

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
1 year ago

Goddamn you have a lot of bitterness in your poor soul.
Anyway, Much if not all modern medicine, even that which is faith-based began in, or even eastern medicines arose to prominence and official practice in the middle east and Asia and not very caucasian if you want to go back that far. But why not just come out and say you hate white folks? Your racism is thinly veiled as some purposely systemic problem that is dependent on what you read as “final solution” outcomes, aka “white supremacy”. And you obviously get butthurt when another poster has something that doesn’t fit your opinion.
The quote “The abhorrent Dobbs ruling of 2022 is already deepening the disproportion. As of 2024, Black and Indigenous women ages 18-49 are more likely to live in states with abortion bans,” has data says that white, non-hispanic have some of the lowest rates of abortions all around. Yet persons of other races, such as everyone else, the rate is much higher: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/03/25/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-us/#what-are-the-demographics-of-women-who-have-had-abortions
Clearly they are able to get abortions somewhere, regardless of the state they live in. And do. Are we to suppose, based on your writing, that those higher rates were via coercion by other races? If so, you’d be getting into some conspiracy, paranoia territory if you weren’t already there.
I’ll agree with anyone that says SJHC has become a Jabba the Hutt of managed healthcare, but it ain’t the neo-nazis running the show, and if you didn’t notice a LOT of local Catholics are not even white. They’re Portuguese, Hispanic and African American. Or a Heinz 57 mix which is pretty much half of the county. If you really want an abortion, yes there are still states where you can get one. Bus tickets to them are really not that expensive if you just don’t want to deal with this state or another. Or was that you wanted a FREE abortion? Well no. Somebody pays the price.

Ellie
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1 year ago

The trouble, in this case, is if you need an emergency abortion to save your life in Humboldt County.
I happen to think people shouldn’t have to undergo expensive travel to get health care for their pregnancy, miscarriage or abortion. But we can disagree on that, and still potentially agree on the fact that lack of emergency abortion care to save women’s lives in our 3500-sq-mi county is a huge problem.

Mr. Clark
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1 year ago

thanks for proving my point.

Mr. Clark
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1 year ago

it takes two to produce a fetus

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1 year ago
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And guess what…. Many of those mothers work multiple jobs doing shit they don’t want to do, namely raising children alone without financial support

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago

Yes, some do. But that has nothing to do with your comments oozing resentment and anger.

pcwindham
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1 year ago

Hate speech?

D'Tucker Jebs
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1 year ago

Nationalize healthcare.

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

This is nationalized health care. To think otherwise is just have some pseudo-religious belief that government on serves only the speaker’s agenda. And the rosy view of it that comes from never having lived under such a government.

D'Tucker Jebs
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1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

You mean Finland, Australia, Germany, Sweden… oh, heck. It’s a long list.
You can read it for yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care_by_country
Interestingly, every country that ranks above the US on the World Happiness Report (we’re number 18) has nationalized healthcare.
https://worldhappiness.report/ed/2020/social-environments-for-world-happiness/

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1 year ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

In America, Nationalized Healthcare IS Medicare and Medicaid.

But you still have to pay for Medicare…

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
1 year ago

Yup. Taxes or what’s left of your estate that get’s taken when you die. If it weren’t for MC/MA the life expectancy of us would be a good 15 years sooner on account that people would be dropping like flies because the didn’t get any treatment for their maladies, let alone private care if they could afford it. Only the wealthy would survive. The current nationalized care is income and (in most places) asset based. Make too much and you get cut off. Not simply a reduction, you’re done. And if you need it again, you get to start the paperwork all over again. I know, I’ve helped people fill out the boxes of paperwork. You have to stay indigent to keep it. And people wonder why side hustles that pay under the table are so popular. Even moderately well-to-do folks can go broke if they pay their own health care. Yeesh, a dose of chemo drugs is what? 12 thousand bucks? And you need a dozen of them? Even popular ones like ozyempic is a thousand dollars a month. Some heart meds too. All that adds up.
Some of the req’s for Medicare have loosened so more folks qualify and in cases where younger families with say, disabilities can get better access, but everybody’s different. There’s also companies like Humana that work with MC/MA/MediCAL as a “gap insurance” that I’ve seen come in real handy for out-of-pocket expenses for prescriptions.
I think what some folks want is complete, unfettered government run healthcare. And that really just doesn’t work, because they have the final say in what gets treated and what gets paid. Private care is voluntary, you just have to pay for it yourself. That’s where MediCal and things come in, to help those that need it and not saddle them with debt their entire life, and get some decent local care that isn’t a bus ride with the VA somewhere. And then…..there’s Providence that doesn’t take MediCal, yet the signs on their own wall state they will not deny anyone care. Sure. But it’ll cost you $100k for that kidney cancer. Good luck.

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
1 year ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

It already is for poor people at the expense of decent healthcare for all

I am a robot
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I am a robot
1 year ago

Excellent letter. Expect blowback

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago
Reply to  I am a robot

Never as much as deserved.

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago

So much hate condensed into one bit on RHBB. So much blaming , so much bigotry, so much intolerance, so much lack of understanding of history, so much racism, so much apophenia. And then the comments picking sides.  So much spin and rationalization that reality becomes inconsequential to be redefined without limit. Complain about the social and news media, left and right extremism all you want- here it is in a nutshell for your perusal and use.  

laura cooskey
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1 year ago

There should be a byline at top or bottom. I assume it’s the woman named in the last paragraph… although anyone using the expression “persons with a uterus” would probably never own up to being a woman.
I’m still here to agitate for the continued existence of “women.”

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1 year ago
Reply to  laura cooskey

Sure sucks when a local business person continually comments with anti trans, anti fem ignorance
But noted… definitely noted

laura cooskey
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1 year ago

I wonder what business person you’re talking about? The author of the original post didn’t seem particularly anti-trans, in fact has taken up the language of the movement.

Ellie
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1 year ago
Reply to  laura cooskey

There is, right at the bottom.

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago
Reply to  Ellie

That’s not a byline. Announcing who this Heidi McHugh is was reasonably assumed by laura cooksey to be the author but it is not a byline.

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

Said author is also part of a well-funded non-profit that purports to be about helping needy families. Since that person has gone public with their opinions and personal beliefs, perhaps they needs to be reminded of the organization’s requirements to stay a non profit and keep getting funded:
In accordance with Federal civil rights law and U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) civil rights regulations and policies, the USDA, its Agencies, offices, and employees, and institutions participating in or administering USDA programs are prohibited from discriminating based on race, color, national origin, religion, sex, gender identity (including gender expression), sexual orientation, disability, age, marital status, family/parental status, income derived from a public assistance program, political beliefs, or reprisal or retaliation for prior civil rights activity, in any program or activity conducted or funded by USDA”
I sure hope there is a statement somewhere to the effect that “persons making such statements do not necessarily reflect those of the organization or those persons we provide assistance to and in no way have an effect on its operations”.

laura cooskey
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1 year ago

Interesting, C. I tend to think that what one writes independently of their non-profit does not legally reflect upon and cannot be said to come from that non-profit. But the court of public opinion is a different matter. Still, perhaps there is a law that a statement such as your example at the bottom should be made anytime a member of a non-profit writes or says anything controversial. That’s more your bailiwick than mine, so i will let you follow up if you want to. Thanks for participating and trying to keep things on track, too.

laura cooskey
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1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

Thank you for keeping in mind the quotation Kym recently added to the comment section: “Let us come and reason together…” I appreciate your attempts to maintain a well-reasoned and logical discussion. Oh, i just noticed you used the word “reasonably” in your comment… perfect!

Brad
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Brad
1 year ago

“liberals” : they want to kill babies in the womb, they want to kill babies out of the womb, they want to kill babies in Palestine, they want to kill babies in Russia, Ukraine, Lebanon… they demand it. They demand sacrifice to their gods of war, death and destruction. Aren’t liberals special?

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1 year ago
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?

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1 year ago

??????????
It needed to be said.
I, too, was refused a tubal by them due to their fuckery. And I was a teen mother, victim of a statutory rape, and was in a second abusive relationship in which I was forced to keep a pregnancy. The pregnancy happened due to poverty and lack of access to a requested tubal. I was beaten for wanting an abortion and beaten for “trapping” him with a child. That trauma has affected all of his children ( not all mine),all of the mothers, and we are all still in therapy. The outsized cost of this shitty outcome could have been easily avoided if women could receive COMPREHENSIVE MEDICAL CARE. The cost of providing birth control, abortion, and tubals pales in comparison to the social costs of abused women raising children with no financial support from their impregnators. So, I say all that to say… fuck anyone, any church, or backwards religion that says a woman can’t control her own womb. I mean… let’s be real. This is a control issue. Anyone who has been raped or abused can spot a control issue from a mile away.

And these church assholes don’t even pay taxes, yet own some of the most expensive real estate in nyc and beyond. Make it make sense

Thinking people, please vote. These assholes all deserve to be rebuked because we ain’t goin back! And definitely not without a fight!

Science >your made up,invisible sky hippie( who according to your bible written by men, wasn’t anti abortion)

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago

Vote for what? Well, maybe for similar thinking candidates on this one issue? Seems there were multiple problems in your situation yet it is all the fault of everyone else?
St. Joe’s was sold to Providence. General Hospital was sold to the Sisters of Orange previously. Why? Because no other acceptable to the State entity was willing to pay for it. The State did not want the responsibility for it either. And the State has constantly expanded Medi-Cal and equally constantly refused to pay for the costs of it. They designed a system where only urban places can generate enough volume to pay for doctors and facilities they require yet somehow true believers in socialism choose to believe it will be different if only, government having always failed to do what they could if they wanted, more government was imposed. Think state imposed earthquake building requirements which is where the profits from non-profit hospitals go.
What is more likely than a rescue by the Government is a continuing deterioration of medical care because, oh believers that someone is always going to take care of you, you don’t have the votes to be important.

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CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
1 year ago

You know how I know you don’t have kids?

Rooster
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Rooster
1 year ago

No comment of Margaret Sanger and the founding of planned parenthood. No mention that abortion clinics are overwhelmingly located in or near minority communities.

Alf
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Alf
1 year ago

Bla bla bla bla bla… We have such a thing as religious freedom guaranteed in the constitution. This doesn’t mean only if anti God liberals with no morals say it’s ok. The Catholic church isn’t perfect. I don’t even consider it Christian based on the fact they don’t follow scripture at all. However, the constitution protects their right to NOT provide services that go against their religious beliefs. The anti God liberals are so adamant against religious people voting in policies they believe in and have instead made laws like forbidding prayer in schools, etc. If it’s a government owned hospital, there are different rules. Hell, if you want a hospital that does everything you want it to do, open it up yourself. You point out there’s not enough choice around here. Put your money where your self righteous letter is and please get financing to build a new hospital, try your best to find medical staff in an area where no medical personnel are actually willing to come and stay, then tell us all how that works for you. Otherwise, keep your condescending hate to yourself. It’s called freedom, a concept this country was founded on and communist God hating liberals are trying to do away with.

Ellie
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1 year ago
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Even religious hospitals are required by state law to provide stabilizing emergency treatment — and required not to discriminate against pregnant people — per the AG’s office. “Providence’s policy bars doctors from providing life-saving or stabilizing emergency treatment when doing so would terminate a pregnancy, even when the pregnancy is not viable. Not only does this violate California law, this policy discriminates against pregnant patients as the hospital chooses the decision for them.” https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-bonta-draconian-hospital-policies-deny-emergency-abortion-care

Farce
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Farce
1 year ago

White Supremacy?!! Look up your beloved Margaret Sanger- mother of abortion rights.

Eric
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Eric
1 year ago

There is a lot of BS in this opinion