‘Living on Shaky Ground’- Presentation by Lori Dengler
Press release from the Humboldt ERFSA Executive Committee:
[Image from Earthquake Track]
Humboldt ERFSA, the Emeritus and Retired Faculty and Staff Association is pleased to announce the next in their Spring luncheon lecture series this week at the Plaza View Room, 780 7th St, in Arcata. Our next Thursday, March 9 presentation features the Northcoast’s premier expert on all things tectonic, the author of Living on Shaky Ground, Lori Dengler, Emeritus Professor of Geology, and co-director of the Humboldt Earthquake Education Center. For the past two years, the North Coast’s December earthquakes have topped the list of largest earthquakes in the contiguous 48 states. Lori Dengler sets the stage for this recent activity through an overview of the Mendocino triple junction and regional tectonics, and what these recent earthquakes reveal about seismology, earthquake early warnings, and regional vulnerability.
All in-person guests should be fully COVID-19 vaccinated and may wear masks while attending. Meet and greets begin at 11:30 a.m. Food and beverages will be served at 11:45 a.m. and the presentation begins at 12:10 p.m. Hot lunch, prepared by Uniquely Yours Catering, includes an assorted bread selection, salad, a vegetarian side dish, and an entrée. The price for lunch is $17.50, payable by cash or check. Guests can have a “take away” meal by either bringing their own container or paying $1 for a provided container. Wine is available for purchase; Humboldt ERFSA will cover the cost of the first glass of wine for those who purchase lunch. Please note: everyone is invited to this and future presentations; you need not be retired, a member of Humboldt ERFSA, or purchase lunch. This lecture series is open to the entire North Coast community.
The Humboldt ERFSA lecture series continues next month with a presentation by Matthew Marshall, Executive Director of the Redwood Coast Energy Authority on April 13. Jeffrey Crane, Dean of the College of Arts, Humanities and Social Sciences talks on May 11. Humboldt ERFSA hopes to see you at one or all of these special presentations.
Zoom link:
https://humboldtstate.zoom.us/j/86249280578pwd=UGlHYzM5TmhxYk1DdFh3VGhZaVZtdz09
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Sounds extremely interesting!
I am interested in this. Any idea how long the presentation will last?
That’s a very ableist requirement. Some people (like me) have been told by their doctors not to get the vaccine… Prior cancer treatments/immune system issues/etc.
OTOH, Zoom is provided, so I’m happy.
Stop beating that anti vax horse. If you don’t want to be a part of a community that thinks it’s smart to get vaccinated, then stay home. Which is what you said you are going to do, so that’s good:)
I want to be part of a community that doesn’t demean others for their personal choices regarding health and what treatments are appropriate for THEIR medical conditions.
Are YOU a doctor? Then why should anyone take YOUR advice about a medical procedure?
Sorry, but you’re going to have to accept that there are folks who are skeptical of this medical procedure or are unable to participate in it because of their own personal medical history. Deal with it.
Unfortunately anti vaxxers are only interested in their own interpretations, dismissing all contrary information and spreading outrageous misinformation. Making them the epitome of a group that demeans everyone who doesn’t agree with them.
Who are these antivaxxers, AO? Do they stay with you, rent free, in your head? Or are they folks that just don’t agree with your worldview?
Like I said, those who were hesitant about the vaccine or people whose medical conditions preclude that they not receive it; are not antivaxxers. Your dismissal of them is patterned behavior of “othering.”
How are these people demeaning your existence? Sounds like you’re demeaning theirs and trying to negate their experiences because it invalidates your own twisted opinion of your neighbors.
Anti the folks that want me to risk being debilitated or dying from an unnecessary genetic therapy shot.
Glad you pro big pharma guinea pigs are making folks like Bill Gates and MSM so very very rich and happy. Just don’t expect them to ever pay out for any injuries…they, unlike you, have federal legal immunity from liability for any injury the shots cause.
But by all means, take all the shots you want to virtue signal to me so you can save fat granny.
I read some states are opting out of the federal vaccine liability waiver presumably allowing harmed citizens to collect damages
Of course. And you can have your own presentation just like Laurie Dengler and invite who you want to. But, she wants only vaccinated people because she believes in science, that’s her choice. What’s your point.
No. Campus policy dictates that everyone who steps foot on campus property is supposed to be fully vaccinated (including boosters). Luckily, no one is enforcing said mandate. I’ve been on campus three times in the last couple months for different events and no one has verified my (lack of) vaccination status.
Why would I have my own presentation? What am I presenting? I’d like equal access and protection under the law. Not differing treatment for not having a specific (unnecessary) medical procedure.
“she wants only vaccinated people because she believes in science”
ooof that’s cringe and unscientific.
Yes, let’s set the standard that 30% of the population is not allowed to participate in earthquake education because their beliefs are perceived to be different.
People with minuscule risk were forced to take a therapeutic needle that didn’t even stop transmission. I will never forget how insane the “I believe in science!” people acted.
“If you thought that science was certain – well, that is just an error on your part.”
― Richard P. Feynman
Spot on Richard. Science is not belief. It is not a religion.
I believe in “science” is a person who needs to pull out a first year science text.
May I suggest also a book or two on statistics especially how to lie with statistics.
Also read the Harvard study on the deficiencies in the VAERS system. Ask youself why it’s shortfalls were never corrected.
Statistics/data analytics should be a requirement in schools.
I can use the truth to lie to you all day long by leaving out crucial context, this is how media/government/corporations manipulate people who don’t know how to assess data
?♥️????Yes that’s fine. Let her discriminate. It’s her meeting. God bless!
The plandemic is over. The damages are still ongoing. Read the VAERS. Don’t be a pro big pharma guinea pig.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Make your CHOICE and accept the CONSEQUENCES.
I’m with you Mike! I’m tired of the “get vaxxed or else” agenda. But it’s here to stay along with the new world order.
I am not vaxxed and I’m not planning to get vaxxed. Not planning to take the mark of the beast either.
♥️?I AM planning to obey the commandments of the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved though!
Ms. Dengler, the “look over here” Geologist has remained quiet as
our coastline is stripped of vegetation. We cannot do anything to
affect future Triple-Junction behavior but what we can do is keep our
coastal dunes and wetlands alive and thriving, Dengler watches us lose these,
for a failed weeding program
and says nothing!
To top it off we have journalists that fail to even ask her about it.
https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/insight/understanding-living-shorelines
I’m not sure you understand what a geologist does.
30′ Primary Dune on the Rudd Property in Manila
disappears and this doesn’t register with geologists?
What the hell?
The disappearance of a dune is not what a geophysicist concerned with earthquakes deals with. The Mendocino Fracture zone, the Triple junction and earthquakes.
I do have to ask, because I don’t know (more interested in the geology of the Cascadia Subduction Zone myself. What was there before European Beach grass was introduced? What held the dunes together before this invasive species appeared?
I have read that it was Leymus mollis, American dune grass. The American and European beach grasses were widely planted starting in the 19th century (1800s) to stabilize the dunes and naturally build higher dunes that would protect the roads and houses and fields (etc) near the ocean.
In Oregon my house fronted on the ocean and I can tell you that dune stabilization is a huge issue for many people who live right on the coast in Oregon (and elsewhere).
I live on the Oregon coast. I’m curious which part of the coast you are talking about. My part of the coast, erosion, which has been happening since…well…forever, is the issue as homes were built right on the edge of the cliffs. It’s going to continue to happen. It’s part of living in a geologically “exciting” part of the world.
I do have to note that when I and my family drove down 101 we took a side trip through Winchester Bay south into a wonderland I never really appreciated until I saw it in person (the 101 side doesn’t really give one an idea of how incredible the dunes are). The dunes are incredible.
But, I learned as a young girl, during the Christmas floods in 64/65 to never live on a flood plain. Moving to Oregon I also figured out to not live on a sea cliff.
That aside, so much of Humboldt Bay (and the dunes, too) are artificial constructs. Levees, etc.
To bring it back to the article, all those constructs will be washed away if the CSZ unzips, or even a really big lurch at the triple junction. That is the kind of information Dengler is trying to impart. Asking them to address the loss of dunes artificially maintained and carefully constructed wetlands is like asking an orthopedic surgeon to look that this rash on someone’s arm.
Sally Hacker, a prof at OSU, discovered that European Beach grass and American Beach grass are hybridizing. Back in the day, I talked to Sally about stabilizing my dunes and she was very helpful, I think she even offered to come down and take a look.
FYI, American beach grass isn’t native to the west coast and is considered an invasive species similar to European beach grass. Both alter the entire dune ecosystem to the detriment of native species that existed there.
I will do my own research but thanks anyway Tim.
FYI the addition of Amophylla creates habitat and stability, the removal of Amophylla destroys habitat, and causes erosion, turning constructed aquatic habitats to desertified
sheets of blowing sand.
We need a Sally Hacker here, it is well beyond time to introduce 21st Century Science to Humboldt, hopefully before we destroy what is left of our coastal wetlands and wildlife.
Our native Leymus will not secure a Primary Dune, that is why Manila’s Celestre Property is the only property on the peninsula with a Primary Dune and the corresponding deflation plane wetland.
Creating habitat and stability as if the Coastal Act mattered.
“Moving to Oregon I also figured out to not live on a sea cliff.”
Sea cliff property can have absolutely spectacular views. The trick is to buy property where the house and septic tank are not close to the edge of the cliff. You can put an inexpensive outdoor living space near the edge of the cliff. It helps to buy a big lot.
Sea cliff property can be a fantastic investment with tremendous appreciation. As always, you have to know what you’re doing.?
Perhaps. I’ve lived here long enough to know that that “stable” cliff can go as well.
Just remember that beautiful sea view right in front of you was created because the land in front of the cliff already slid away. 🙂
Thanks for your input Angela. No offense (I know you mean well) but I’ll look for advice re: real estate investment and science elsewhere.
I’ve already moved on and sold that property (great investment) but I loved living there, the views were absolutely spectacular (but the local hospital was crap, nowhere near as good as St. Joe). I like to move around, what a great country.
Oh, no worries, though I do get a chuckle about taking advice from real estate investment and science.
There is a spot called Jump-off Joe in Newport. Over a century ago it was a headland with an arch. The erosion has been spectacular. But in the 80s a real estate investor decided he wanted to build a condo a bit ways back.
Almost everyone in town said “That’s a very bad idea”. He manages to find a geologist who signed off on the project.
Well, even before it was finished, the foundation started cracking and it was abandoned. It was a mess, legally, financially, and there was this monument to stupidity and greed sitting there for decades, well the foundation, the structure was torn down). The big crack that has appeared in the last couple of years heralding another big crash…that area used to have the original highway (long time ago) but it is closed now because erosion has bit into it, after it had already taken out a several houses decades ago. Houses that used to be a block from the ocean now have that spectacular view and have to use the alley to get to their houses.
But, you know real estate investors and scientists. Meanwhile, the locals all sighed and said “We told you so”.
“Asking them to address the loss of dunes artificially maintained and carefully constructed wetlands is like asking an orthopedic surgeon to look that this rash on someone’s arm.”
I believe you mistook what is required to maintain and enhance constructed dunes and wetlands.
Once the Amophylla takes-
It is entirely passive, will expand wetlands and collect sands adding height, you just can not harm the vegetation.
In Manila we work under a Negative Declaration to an EIR, which means we will not significantly impact. On the Rudd property where the Friends of the Dunes worked they have destroyed acres and acres of wetlands, the primary dune, wildlife habitats and resilience.
Why? An ideology so backward and cruel that wildlife and migratory birds are left without habitat. No living creature benefits except the eco-Quislings cashing their checks.
I am sorry the local geology community has failed you so. The Primary Dune in Manila is a construct made possible by Amophylla (Euro Beach Grass).The corresponding wetland is a product of the Primary Dune, resulting in habitat, water and stability
This satisfies the requisites of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, The Coastal Act, wildlife needs and common decency.
You profoundly misunderstand everything you listed in the last sentence with regards to restoring native plant systems on the dunes.
Sheesh. The game changed when we realized sea-level was rising, please study if you are going to speak coastal science.
“ restoring native plant systems on the dunes.”
So far all we see is biological deserts left, where grasses were removed, not at all what you are suggesting. Life diminished on ALL levels
Name one coastal area that was improved by vegetation removal, please be specific.
I know that the Dunes are your hill to die on, but once again I think you don’t understand what geology is. As evidenced by your rather bitter remarks towards the geologist/geophysicist whose work involves tsunamis and earthquake hazards. It’s a big picture thing, versus your little dune (constructed as you admit). I have no doubt that some geologist works on dune movement, but they are not involved in preparing the coastal regions for the “big one” or even smaller ones as Dengler is.
Everything seems to devolve to your dunes, even when it isn’t connected. Really, you don’t do your dunes any favors when you do this.
The frontal dunes is our first line of defense in a seismic event,
securing that dune and creating wetlands is the SCIENCE. Stop with the malarkey.
NOAA is our only source for coastal science, they speak through
FEMA
https://www.fema.gov/sites/default/files/documents/fema_primary-frontal-dunes_fact-sheet_5-24-2021.pdf
Man you and European beach grass really have a thing. Inside Dans head: “how can I make this about European beach grass” No offense intended.
No offense taken.
In explanation;
I am a fiduciary for the Porter/Cologne monies, which were used illegally, and misallocated to the remove weeds crew, the focus was put on the vegetation and the promise was “biodiversity.”
What we got were biological deserts.
I live in the dunes and you are being fed bull sh t if you think wildlife
or native plants at any level are benefitting from grass removal.
Did you know that?
Although I am a willow creeker, I know the dunes well, and spend a lot of free time there, as well as own property nearby. I find the dunes that have been restored to their natural state much more aesthetically pleasing and more interesting to walk around in or go for a run in. I mean the dunes to the north of Samoa, malel north or lanphere. They also seem much more bio diverse. I’ve seen deer, rabbits and lots of birds there.
Ah horseshit.
Did the loss of the primary dune register to you?
Have you noticed that where vegetation was removed
a primary dune does NOT exist?
Stop being a tool.
You lack the fundamentals to speak for the dunes.
Hold on; I never said I was an expert, I was only sharing my opinion as a person who enjoys the dunes. Don’t speak down to the public, it’s not a good look. Just because someone doesn’t agree with you does not make them a tool.
My observations as a non-scientist are; that the dunes that are not choked by beach grass are filled with flowering plants, strawberries, duck ponds, small forests and animals. They move from year to year in places, which is I’m sure what everything there has revolved with for many thousands of years. Grass choked dunes are impossible to walk through, unattractive and what, they don’t move so that makes them better in your opinion? Hmm. No thanks.
“dunes that are not choked by beach grass are filled with flowering plants, strawberries, duck ponds, small forests and animals.”
Ah. You’ve been bamboozled.
Those flowers were not a natural response to grass removal, it was a contrivance planted by the environmental Quislings that removed the
grass. Go to that spot this spring, you’ll find a biological desert.
See the sand sheet NW of the old SP Mill, brought to us by BLM Nativists.
We and our wildlife deserve so much better!
The absence of honest reporting is stunning and not a good look for the Uni’s Geology, Botany, Wildlife and Journalism departments.
By the way, it’s “Dr. Dengler” or Professor Emeritus Dengler. She earned those titles.
Hell, I’d recommend her a
doctorate in self-promotion. She has earned that in spades.
now then that’s enough. too bad if she wont say what you want her to. you dont get to treat her this way. its not ok. youre being abusive. you can say what you want about your view of her shortcomings, and you did. but now its just abusive trolling. she is a person in our community who was asked to make a speech on earthquakes. its not ok to berate her on and on because you are mad she doesnt express an opinion you want her to express.
if the community decision to remove beach grass is making your place more vulnerable to sealevel rise, sell it before it goes under water. its god telling you “psst, youre in the wrong spot.” That ocean is coming over the dunes eventually, even if we plant european grass plugs by the 1000s per acre out there.
anyway, that last part is just how id think about a similar scenario in my own life. im not really serious about you using common sense. that is completely up to you.
but i am serious that you need to stop harrassing this community member for not doing what you want her to. even if you were right about the grass, you are clearly in the wrong for harrassing her.
I despise deception.
For Manila we are working under Porter/Cologne wetland and wildlife enhancement category. Removing vegetation has been catastrophic to our
wetlands and our wildlife, full stop.
You are missing the point this is not about you or me it is about the waters of the Nation, NOT our decision!
We have been losing wetland function since the arrival of the ill-named “Friends” of the Dunes. When the wetlands are destroyed, the wildlife is destroyed, native plants are destroyed and you keep pushing the pure B.S. that things are fine.
Have your friend, Dr. Emeritus Dengler discuss the condition of our wetlands- she won’t.
Why? Because they are criminally liable for the losses.
Try to understand what it is that FEMA is telling us in this- have Dr. Emeritus Dengler explain why we are losing our stability, our ability to host wildlife and migratory birds for an inept failure of a weeding program.
https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/insight/understanding-living-shorelines
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Well for me, the song ‘living on borrowed time’ immediately pops in my mind..
The ignorance surrounding our coastal dunes is a black mark on
what was one of the finest Natural Resources programs in the
nation. HSU bought hook, line, and sinker into the war on naturalized nonnative plants,
leading to the loss of our constructed wetlands, our wildlife, our migratory birds
and our resilience. Who is at the helm? This is not only disgraceful but immoral and
incredibly cruel.
Loss of wetlands? You mean like the arcata bottoms which are diked and drained for agriculture? Or the majority of the lower eel river which has been converted into vast stretches of non-native grasslands for dairy cattle?
you know more than the professors and the whole natural resources program at the uni. brilliant. im going to go sign up for friends of the dunes newsletter now so i dont miss the next 20 work parties. you earned them a very dedicated gd weedpuller. i’ll invite my brothers. and between them i have 3 nephews and 2 nieces. hopefully at least some of them will turn into dedicated weed pullers too. im going to do a contest for the kids. whoever gets the biggest bag at the end, im going to give them $100. ill do that several times a year. that’ll keep them coming. you’ve given me something to live for sir. i’m not sure you’re going to like it though.
Stop the BS!
If some professor disagrees he/she is free to argue the points I’ve made.
You do not speak for them!
You do your offspring no favors by teaching worn-out botanical suppositions that have been proven idiotically destructive since day one.
By the way, tell your kids that it is illegal to remove vegetation on the beach unless they have a Permit, and that Permit will NOT be forthcoming, I guarantee, we are on to you.
let me be really, really clear. I have no idea if beach grass should or shouldn’t grow. I cannot possibly care any less about beach grass. Women’s make up would be a more interesting topic to me.
but a man picking on a woman, making her feel unsafe in public, because she won’t do what he wants. Now, that is something I care about.
[edit] $100 a month to rapidly expedite someone else’s permit for the removal of the beach grass that is going to make you stomp your feet and feel the pain you have tried to bestow on others…Now that’s cheap.
In fact I might double it. we might go to both their Saturday and to their Sunday options. $200 a month is still not too bad and these kids are motivated to earn money for their playstation games. 20 come and I only have to pay one. the beach nerds get their beach grass, native plant, biodiversity whatever whatever, and I get to explain to you, man-to-man, not to be abusive to women without going to jail, and the kids will get new games to spend their time staying out of crime. very affordable for so much public good.
keep talking. I have lots of imagination. I might have to change my screen name to Samaritan.
“let me be really, really clear. I have no idea if beach grass should or shouldn’t grow.”
Clearly, we knew you didn’t know what it was you were harping about.
If it satisfies you to diminish the resources that your kids were to inherit, just for spite, shows us just how vapid and mean you are.
Samaritan? More akin to dimwit.