Huge Data Breach Reveals the Names, Age, and Addresses of California’s Concealed Carry Permit Holders
Gun rights advocates have long been skeptical of state actors maintaining records of firearm owners fearing the information could end up in the wrong hands.
A recent breach of databases maintained by the California Department of Justice has resulted in just that. The name, age, and address of every Californian permitted to carry a concealed firearm was extracted from the database and, authorities are suggesting, posted to social media.
The Fresno County Sheriff’s Office was the first law enforcement agency in the state to publicly announce the leak on its Facebook page.
Yesterday, California Attorney General Rob Bonta published a press release describing public access to “new and updated firearms data” via the DOJ’s 2022 Firearms Dashboard Portal. Bonta said, “Transparency is key to increasing public trust between law enforcement and the communities we serve.” Somehow, that Firearms Dashboard, created to be a tool of transparency and increase public trust, instead became the conduit to leak all the names of California’s CCW holders.
The DOJ shut down access to the dashboard after news of the data leak emerged. Bonta nor his office have offered any comment about the circumstance. A quick perusal of Bonta’s Twitter account shows that yesterday Bonta held court with the press and law enforcement to talk about hate crimes in the Golden State, likely in the same time frame the vulnerability of the databases was located and private information about CCW holders were being disseminated on social media.
The Attorney General’s Office told the Fresno County Sheriff’s Office it is “working to discover the scope of the breach and will contact CCW holders directly to advise them of the breach and will institute a program to reduce any harm or damages to CCW holders that resulted from the breach.”
This data breach comes just days after Attorney General Bonta announced a major shift to CCW permitting in the state prompted by the recent Supreme Court decision New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen. The court found that the State of New York’s requirement that “proper cause” must be demonstrated to obtain a concealed carry permit went against the Second and Fourteenth Amendments. California was specifically named due to its “good cause” being similarly unconstitutional.
Every California County has the autonomy to determine the “Good Cause” requirement CCW holders are to meet. In 37 California counties, including Mendocino, Humboldt, and Trinity, “good cause” was met by simply stating “self-defense”. Ten counties had their “good cause” requirements met by “recreation-related risks.” These good cause requirements continue to become more specific and operationally exclusive. In Marin, San Francisco, and Santa Clara counties, the only conditions that meet “good cause” are death threats or a “corrupt issuance”, which is a reference to a pay-to-play scheme that involved the Santa Clara County Sheriff Laurie Smith and accusations she was trading political donations for CCW permits.
If any CCW holder finds that their identity was stolen or compromised, contact your local law enforcement agency.
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A few years ago the North Coast Journal published the names of Humboldt County’s CCW holders. I thought that it was public knowledge.
It is kind of ironic that one of the reasons for the second amendment was to protect oneself against an out of control government. Now it seems that we need the second amendment to protect ourselves from the first amendment.
Right on, ERNIE!
seems that way if you are paranoid delusional, I guess.
That whole protection from fedral goverment thing went out the window long long ago, when we gave up control of our state militias to the federal government.
The national guard should be for domestic defense, emergecy service, and protection from the federal goverment only, no more deployment overseas. Let’s have well-regulated militias again.
“Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters” Benjamin Franklin
Americans don’t fit the definition.
Which one?
I was buying fishing stuff at a store over at Spalding on Eagle Lake some years ago when I overheard a customer tell the clerk that “we need to teach the women how to use the machine gun”. Militias are a bad joke. Back when the second amendment was penned, militias were important as a standing military was almost non existent. The modern militias claim that they need guns to protect themselves from the government is just plain silly.
standing armies were the founding fathers greatest concern, and not just the British, but the threat of a regular army in the nascent nation to be, and their greatest argument for militias comprised of the average man equipped with a military issue weapon of the day.
Yep and that was a looong time ago. Let’s get with the times. You really think you are preventing a tyrannical govt with your little 22 caliber plinkers? That’s funny.
How many times throughout history, even recent history, have average people successfully stood up to governments, including ours, with small arms?
The answer is not 0.
You’re right! The answer is NOT zero, even in our ‘Murica: https://www.history.com/news/wilmington-massacre-1898-coup
Note the openly white supremacist statements of the Democratic party at that time: violence fueled by fear of power in the hands of the formerly oppressed is a recurrent theme in history.
the US military has nukes, in case you didn’t know.
.22’s are for kids…
Yet deadly all the same.
22’s are for people who can shoot.
I was referring to 223s which is what most assault rifles are am I right?
Actually, yes, if you really looked into it and that is the weapon to have. Assymetrical effectiveness. Plus feeding the family. Win, win, win, over the finish line by a mile.
Indigenous people and slaves were the things the fucking founding fathers feared.
Why must you use profanity?
The FFs were great men, sorry to break it to you. They only hated the British monarchy dickheads who didn’t believe the citizens had the right to individual freedom without the kings approval. It’s quite interesting that some of the most patriotic Americans are Native Americans and Blacks, having lived, contributed, snd served our country after being mistreated for so long. That says everything about them and our founders who gave us life, liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness, no matter the faults and mistakes. And I may add, you are not guaranteed that you will be happy, just that you could be. No more participation trophies, just win baby, AD.
Or they foresaw patriots fed up with slavering, left wing Marxists….
Marxism wasn’t around yet. “Patriots” today are acting more like Bolsheviks 100 years ago.
Anyway, who wrote your history on the “founding fathers”? Of course it’s going to be hagiography. George Washington was a rich Brit, Turncoat, who saw opportunity. He was at one point the largest landowner in the Confederation. What would the Founders think of secessionists in the 1860s and today?America’s never been unified, the first 100 years were especially chaotic. The “South” was never a cohesive social entity until portrayed as such during the white power revisionism of the 1920s.
Spot on.
I understand how you could see militias as silly, certainly the forms we currently have are quite silly. But for anyone who actually supports the intent of the second amendment, returning the national guard to state militias is one way to makes them less silly.
Read some American History. The 2nd was written as they were trying to unify and defend a loose chaotic group of colonies with vastly different backgrounds. Militias were a baby step towards a United States of America first, and eventually the United States Armed Forces. A gun alone won’t go very far fighting an established military. For every gun, your gonna need a jeep full of ammo, a container full of food, a truck to haul it, another fuel truck, a bull dozer, bridging equipment, explosives, maybe some aircraft, and a sympathetic population to give you stuff so you can fight against taxation or whatever.
You don’t know history as well as you think if you honestly believe the right to bear arms was only meant for militia members. Reread the federalist papers.
Now you may very well believe that the 2nd no longer fits into today’s world… great!… pass an amendment. Until then, stop screwing with my constitutional right to protect myself.
Obviously the statement of someone who has never studied guerrilla warfare, nor engaged guerrillas in combat.
Obviously! Ok skip the supplies. Good luck.
Your beliefs are inconsistent with the interpretation of SCOTUS in 2008. (District of Columbia vs. Heller). There are many well-regulated militias in the US. They are just not under government control, nor were they intended to be. The 2nd amendment is very relevant. Much more relevant than non-existent abortion rights, as we saw Friday.
If you are fundamentally at odds with the 2nd (or any other amendment, for that matter) feel free to stump for your own amendment. One of the beautiful things about our Republic is the people are in charge. More and more rights are being returned to the people, daily. Wait until you grasp the magnitude of the expected ruling of West Virginia vs. EPA.
“Trusting the science has its downside”
Trusting the government is not in our best interests when the science is used to create a war on the people who want to be left yhe fuck alone.
Our ancestors would be disgusted at what soft and smooth hands many our leaders have.
The situation you described is only accurate if the government is in control of the gun. The private sector is much more efficient.
whos on 3ed?
Oh, ironies abound Ernie.
A person can just pick a piece of the 2nd Amendment from a point in it’s history and glom onto it to justify almost any aspect and behavior – at least in theory, even massacres.
“Yes. And what drew me to this book was the killing of Philando Castile up in Minnesota. And here was a Black man who was pulled over by the police. And the police officer asked to see his identification. Philando Castile’s using the NRA guidelines, alerts the officer that he has a licensed weapon with him. So he has a licensed gun. The police officer began shooting.
So here is a Black man who was gunned down for having a gun. And the NRA went virtually silent – virtually silent – and was only pushed and – to make what I call a non-statement statement – we believe that everybody should have the right to bear arms regardless of race – and nothing more after that except to say, well, you know, we can’t really weigh in on this until after the investigation. But this is the same group that called federal officers jackbooted thugs for what happened in Waco and what happened at Ruby Ridge when federal officers were actually gunned down. And the question was, do Black people have Second Amendment rights? And that’s what I went looking for – do we? ”
Historian Uncovers The Racist Roots Of The 2nd Amendmenthttps://www.npr.org/transcripts/1002107670
Well old Ronnie sure freaked out when he saw the Black Panthers marching in Sacramento, armed to the teeth. Guy passed a law against open carry the very next day!
Incorrect.
No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” – Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776
“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787
“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787
“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” – Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
That bit about peaceful slavery, coming from Jefferson is a tad ironic, dontcha think?
Rumor has it, his slaves were so peaceful, they slept with him.
Yeah Steve but times have changed. Jefferson was heavily influenced by French culture. If he were alive today he might have a different opinion. Think of all the things that are different nowadays.
The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
“On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823″
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
“To disarm the people…[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them.” – George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788
“I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” – George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.” – Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787
“Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of.” – James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country.” – James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789
“…the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone…” – James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” – William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783
“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.” – Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788
“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…. The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.” – Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778
“This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty…. The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.” – St. George Tucker, Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803
Remember that the founding fathers were revolutionaries who were willing to fight and die to be fee. They rightly saw our own government as the main threat to our liberty.
There are a whole treasure trove of quotes from the founding fathers explaining why an armed citizenry is necessary to preserve liberty:
https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/the-founding-fathers-explain-the-second-amendment-this-says-it-all
And every quote is from a slave owning, land owning white man who wrote the rules principally to ensure he could maintain his way of life. The population was only included in the most inconsequential ways as a sop to placate them (us)
Have you hated causation males for your entire life?
Hey, if the Founders wanted to share credit, they could have let women vote, or hold office. And truly, males have been the causation for many of society’s ills. Good point.
Uh huh. As an aside, do middle eastern countries currently have slaves as well as some African countries? How did the African slaves get sold to the Europeans and English? Hmmm, Africans who owned the slaves sold them! Color is a red herring and a scapegoat for purposeful sowing of division and chaos. Elon Musk is becoming a hated African American because he is not easily subjugated.
And those travesties were corrected as the young nation grew and faced its inequities. Now, a large percentage of the population vote to place themselves into servitude under Marxist masters. The willing proletariat submitting to tbe DNC bourgeoisie.
Many Americans today see our own government, as the main threat to our liberty.
I’d say we already have a government is that completely out of control.
Seems like the enemy is within our borders…
The 2nd Amendment protects all the other Amendments…
Just like in Mogadishu.
“Licenses and applications to carry firearms are public. CBS Inc. v. Block, 42 Cal. 3d 646, 652-53, 725 P.2d 470, 230 Cal. Rptr. 362 (1986). However, certain information contained in the application is expressly exempt. Cal. Gov’t Code § 6254(u) (information indicating when and where applicant is vulnerable to attack, information concerning applicant’s mental health, and home address and telephone number of prosecutors, public defenders, peace officers, judges, court commissioners, and magistrates set forth in the application and license is exempt). The agency must segregate the exempt from non-exempt material. See Cal. Gov’t Code § 6253(a).” https://www.rcfp.org/open-government-sections/k-gun-permits/
How telling…
Names… very tiny and all squished together to form the shape of a gun.
NOT addresses, phone numbers, what type of guns we have purchased, etc.
This is a pretty big deal.
It is not public knowledge. There are a lot of CCW holders who got their CCW when escaping a violent domestic relationship or were being stalked. Now their current address is out there for stalkers to look them up.
North Coast Journal and knowledge in the same paragraph. Talk about an oxymoron.
You mean folks aren’t proud to have CCWs?
Now it’s a “revealed carry weapons permit”.
Lol
A responsible ccw permit holder will not broadcast or brag about it. It’s a heavy responsibility and the point of it being concealed is in part the element of surprise is often the only advantage of a “good guy” in a bad situation.
So it’s part of a Hollywood hero fantasy? Maybe that, plus equal part half assed fantasy that it’s an effective gun control regulation. Who gets angry about it? Gun owners. What gets threatened? The regulation. (the real problem is garbage computer systems the State is using)
My guess is the leak was orchestrated by Russiaublicult politicians to gin up outrage. If it was done by a gun control advocate, their strategy is off.
This was not a computer system problem. It was not a “breach.” it was a website designed with a button that gave the information willingly.
So it’s what everyone signed up for?
It’s what the DOJ signed up for, and paid for with our tax dollars.
Nobody with their info exposed signed up for this.
So… how many don’t think that Ancestry Dot Com is a government source of DNA information.
Hmm,
What about DNA from all those nasal swabs being sent to the labs, with name and address.
Good point.
What kind of person sends a swab to strangers in 2022
I don’t know about Hollywood and fantasies, but I do know that sensible people would be disturbed by this breach.
Kind of sad how many anti-gun people seem to be happy about this.
Why can’t Americans disagree without wishing harm on those with opposing views?
It seems like things didn’t used to be this rabid. I wish there could be more respectful conversation. No one deserves personal information published without their permission.
I often ask people why they need to use profanity, in their posts. I realize this isn’t church but foul language is rarely productive, in a public forum…
Why are you afraid to show your face?
Their info is being sent directly to China on TicToc.
Yes, the breach is bad. So were the various other ones I have received notices from, be it Social Security, Oregon Dept. of Fish and Wildlife, credit cards, utilities. I even got a notice from the college I graduated from decades ago that my information may have been breached.
Sadly, welcome to the age of electronic information. With it’s obvious weaknesses.
Agreed. It’s a scary new world in many ways.
There will be litigation…
In case the guy you run across robbing the gas station might know who you are?
Everyone I know who has one makes damn sure everyone knows it. What they take seriously is there overwhelming desire to get a chance to shoot someone.
Wow, that’s disturbing. Glad I had a different kind of folks to help me train. No need to brag about it and you definitely hope you never have to use it ☹️
Everyone I know takes the responsibility quite seriously and hope they never need to use their weapon. Your friends are sick and shouldn’t own a weapon.
For everyone praising this, screw you. Yes, I’m proud to have a CCW, it was a difficult process, but it shouldn’t be. The 2A is all you need to legally carry. But whats the big deal? Oh, now our homes will be targeted for burglary (yes, thats happened) and on that list are a bunch of judges who now have their home addresses and personal information in the possession of bad actors. So again, screw you.
Indeed… voter registration, applying for an abortion or crossing our southern border should be as strenuously scrutinized as our right to bear arms.
We’re proud but not insane. If you’re proud, please post your personal info here for all to see…
I think it should be public knowledge, we should be able to know who’s packin and who’s not.
What are they afraid of?!?!
Thieves, dirtbags, and/or psychopathic anti-gun liberals breaking into their residences and stealing them? Terrorizing their families? Ask a Supreme Court justice.
Thieves are a serious concern. Gun laws make it very difficult for them to acquire firearms by any means other than theft from an owner who is not responsibly storing their firearms.
The injustices who are dismantling separation of church and state deserve the worst of whats coming to them for lying under oath in order to secure their confirmation.
So… you’re scared that someone will steal the weapon from your ankle holster?
You have a confirmation hearing transcript excerpt documenting a lie? Or are you just parroting what someone said (who was parroting…)
You said:
“Gun laws make it very difficult for them to acquire firearms by any means other than theft from an owner who is not responsibly storing their firearms.”
Except there are already many, many millions of guns already in circulation that can be sold by individuals.
Guns are also sold with way fewer constraints in other states in huge volumes.
Guns are easy to manufacture, you can print them or amateur gunsmiths can build them the old fashioned way.
We have a wide open Mexican border thru which vast amounts of illegal stuff is passing. Guns can easily pass (if that was actually necessary?).
Eric Holder passed plenty to Mexican Cartels.
It was called Fast and Furious for a reason.
What gives you the idea that a “Supreme Court Justice can find their A$$ with both hands & a MAP???
Funny you use scotus as an example. They are scumbags and deserve what they get.
As far as the others. I deal with them dailey and never need a weapon. Grow some balls and live life unafraid.
Frank I’ve missed you! Did you retire from City of Baltimore finally? PS I agree with you. Maybe we don’t want “peaceful” protestors showing up at our door. I tell everyone I know I have one because I’m an old lady and passed the shooting test! And if they are a welcome visitor in my home, I show them my test target!
I’d rather ask the staff at an abortion clinic. Probably in far greater danger than a SC judge
You mean the First Amendment right to assemble and petition were invalidated in the case of the Supremer?
Yes, that is what Federal law says
Some scumbag walking off with their gun safe or home invasions to steal guns. Remember the bad guys are often better armed than law abiding citizens.
Entire gun safes have been stolen when not properly secured to structure, but it is exceedingly rare.
You.
And they should be.
I don’t own or play with guns. No need.
And at the same time I’ve never needed one either.
Was a drug dealer my entire youth life, yet i never needed one for any reason. Enjoy your day scared one
What’s going to happen to the U S after the SIX Catholics destroy it’s morality and install theirs
We’ll all be bowing to statues or graven figures.
Funny bit of news:
Nancy Pelosi, who was banned from receiving Communion by her local bishop was given Communion by the Pope.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pelosi-takes-communion-papal-mass-vatican-2022-06-29/
I don’t follow the churches or their comic book.
Never bowed before and will never bow for no one
if you aren’t THE edgelord. how can I be as cool as you??!
Patients grasshopper.
You will eat those words. Every knee will bow. I assure you when you stand before the creator. There will he no tough guys. Mock now. Remember this post
ONE catholic already beat ‘em’ to it. And he’s anti abortion.
-Joe Biden did that
Stalkers. Vindictive exes. People who’ve made threats against them. Unhinged anti-gun extremists who would abuse red flag laws to disarm the innocent or use violence to push their views on others. Maybe they live or work around people who are prone to violence. Maybe they have a disability and cannot otherwise defend themselves.
Having a gun does not guarantee one’s safety.
They have their reasons for confidentiality. Maybe try judging them less if you haven’t been in their shoes. What happened to inclusiveness?
Well said. In this climate, people will go to any lengths to make their point or get social media hits with zero regard for human life and innocent bystanders. I’ve seen “they’ll get what they deserve” several times on this thread and it’s a pretty disturbing sample of mindsets.
There’s this idea that if someone doesn’t have the same viewpoint, they must be an idiot. That’s an incredibly toxic way of thinking. It just makes everyone angry and prevents any common ground from being discovered. Why would anyone want to sit down and try to have a productive conversation with someone who has already decided they’re an idiot?
We all have our own experiences that shape our views, and no two people live exactly the same life.
I wish we could get back to polite and respectful discourse. That’s where understanding and common ground are found.
Arrest records are public, disclosing IDs before there has been any conviction.
That’s true. I can’t say I support that practice.
Except that it is A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD NOW.
I don’t want anyone to know my 5 foot 1 ,120 pound wife is armed or not,it’s called right to self defense and privacy,ever heard of element of suprise.How about your wife and daughter what’s their address and name and are they armed and able to defend themselves,is that my right to know nope
The placement of that comma threw me off for a second!
I agree with your sentiment though. I’m of the opinion this information should be kept confidential for the safety and security of those involved.
BUT IT ALREADY IS PUBLIC. How do you pass the test if you cannot read the law?
All the info a stalker with a restraining order could hope for.
There’s an old saying. “ fuck around and find out”. The element of surprise will blow your doors
If “Gazoo” is your real identity I apologize, otherwise that is mighty brave talk for someone won’t even take credit for their comments.
Pro choice bud, I have the choice to remain anonymous, I will never allow my information to be available for all the inter web to do what they want with it. I had Facebook back 10 years ago and they sold my info to a fella that screwed up my credit for a few years, after that I’m good with gazoo. Enjoy the evening Earnie
Yet, you think it is great that gun owners are doxed.
What I think is great, is you know nothing about what I think other than a post on a blog.
I have a lot of respect for you sir, but in all honesty I don’t care what anyone thinks of me. It’s none of my business.
Have a great day and a better 4th of July.
Xoxo Gazoo.
Thanks for your respect. Same to you. I must admit that Your posts are somewhat intriguing.
The establishment is not your friend
As a life long ex criminal… you’re not giving me any news I don’t already know.
I am anti government
Who cares
Best comment.
Now that anti-gun people have these personal and confidential details, they will out, shame, polarize, slander, and endanger these law-abiding citizens who trusted CA DOJ to be professional. CCW holders are a group of people who have earned their privacy through responsibility and proper reporting only to be betrayed by a corrupt, flawed, and biased system. The sloppy and biased attitude about “transparency” violates the 14th Amendment. Keeping records of this type of information, whether it be CCW, abortions, learning disabilities, welfare, health data, etc is a liability. Privacy has been breeched, liberties have been taken without due process.
boo hoo
What an original name!
That is why it’s best to never tell the government anything. Buy your guns on the black market and never register them. Be responsible but never ask the government for permission. Think what I’m saying is crazy? This data breach just supported my comment!
Oh the humanity !
Poor victim. You will be comforted by Tucker tonight.
I’m sure California’s booming gun-ban industry, which likely played a significant role in developing this idea, has already made plans on how to use the database to their advantage. Look for massive doxing, which will include false red-flag complaints, cyber-crimes, SWATing and other harassment.
That’s what Russia wants you to get worked up about. It’s another false flag “gun rights” issue to get ya ginned up. Look up Marion Hammer, who pioneered these tricks. It’s no secret Russia compromised NRA elites to gain influence. In Spring of 2016 I was hanging out with a rich Russian guy who was about 40 years old. Wondering about what Putin and Russians in general thought of Trump, he replied, “You gave us Yeltsin, we wouldn’t mind giving you Trump!”
When asked about living, and thriving through the transition to unbridled capitalism, he said, “Alot of people died…”
Reread what i posted. “False red flag”, meaning disingenuously reporting someone in order to have their guns taken via draconian red flag laws.
What is up with you people and your obsession with Russia and Putin, it’s beyond a broken record at this point.
News flash. CCW permitees are far from the only gun owners. The main difference is that you have indicated you have an expectation of getting in a gun fight out there on the mean streets of Ferndale, or wherever, and that you are a marketing opportunity for various holsters, purses, and hospitals.
Come get some!!
I am totally fine with being on the list. It sucks the government even needs to do this whole dog and pony show just to dox the personal info of the tax base.
Just buy a 3D printer and print yourself a gun. It’s that easy
Sure if you have 5K laying around. Those 300.00 printers from Amazon? Oh please proceed. LOL.
Or run down to Grundman’s, or Ace, or or Bucksport, or Sportsman Warehouse, or RMI, or Pacific outfitters, or your G ma, or your neighbor…
Check out this article, it tells you how to print a gun for less than $300 .
https://3dprinterly.com/7-best-3d-printers-for-guns-frames-lowers-receivers/
It’s legal and your not in a govt database
So you are willing to break the law to own a ghost gun 3-D printed? You and the criminals.
That site is a commercial site btw. But I guess you could always get one printed in neon colors.
How many shots will you get before it fails?
Great point. You can regulate the good guys, but the bad guys will always find a way. Here is a video linked in the article that shows all of the guns you can print, as well as them test firing each one. You can see the infamous ar-15 can be printed as well. This is why over regulating guns is meaningless and quite silly .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdSfiqusui4
No law to break. 2nd amendment says nothing about “ghost guns”.
You might want to double-check that legality. Laws changed not too long ago around this.
As of April 22,2022 it was legal. I I know they are trying to pass legislation, but I had not seen that it passed yet . If I am mistaken, I apologize. However the most recent article I found was this:
https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/biden-issues-new-rule-to-crack-down-on-ghost-guns-3d-printing-industry-responds-208052/
The loophole seems to be for personal use
Federally it may still be legal.
Check state law. They have a whole registration, serial number, and metal content requirement now.
One person with 5k can supply a lot of people willing to pay $300.00 for an untraceable weapon that costs less than $80 bucks to produce. And the AR-15’s don’t have to have those silly fins behind the grip, can have detachable magazines, flash hider and bayonet lug.
Isn’t Capitalism and American ingenuity grand?
Take notes farmers…
It wasn’t just CCW holders who info was leaked. Non-name information from DROS forms was leaked. DL/ID numbers, DOB, gender/race/demographic info but not names for all FSC test takers.
Print my name wherever you want I don’t care who knows if I have a concealed carry permit.
All states should be required to record and report incident where a CCW holder uses a firearm to commit a crime or unintentional shoots themselfs or someone else. Few states do this currently as they know if would serve to dismantle their narrative about “good guys with guns”.
Totally anecdotal but…I have known many people (100+) who have guns. Of all of them there have been 0 crimes committed with guns and 0 accidental shootings. I think people who are anti-gun tend to be outspoken and as a result get a very skewed perspective as nobody around them will admit to safely and responsibly owning a gun due to the argumentative nature of the anti-gun and mommy state wackos…their argumentative and extreme position leaves them out of the gun discussions amongst reasonable people.
I have a good friend who stopped a violent crime in progress with judicious use of a handgun. I also can acknowledge that the CDC was actively barred from investigating shooting risks out of all the more typical events. As a way of justifying the extra level of regulation with CCWs, why not try to understand if having quicker access to a loaded gun has saved lives, or harmed? The news is full of cases of kids grabbing handguns out of purses in the car or out shopping. When it happens without a tragic shooting, you never hear about it. CCWs are a weird compromise to make gun owners feel better(and spend more on rarely used durable tools), and “gun control” advocate, who think a little certificate is all that keeps someone from sliding a mag in, and stuffing their weapon in their pocket.
None of them are outraged by the 50 dead due to trafficking humans, like just happened in the trailer.
Now imagine the outrage and headlines if they had been shot, it would be headlines for a month.
Lots of things should be recorded and made public. Like race, sexual orientation(by whatever standard exists at the moment), political affiliation and donations, education level, welfare status, employment and criminal history, level of drug addiction, citizenship and/or visa status, previous criminal history, taxes paid, vaccination status, voting history, parentage, military service, etc, if your interest is in ensuring the purity of social consciousness, as seems to be your point. Oh, and spelling ability too.
There is way too much self righteousness going on these days where the stupidity of philosophy of the ends justify the means is measured in overheated rhetoric. Especially the stupidity of that anything good can result from out evilling evil.
People following the legal path seldom do it for criminal reasons.
There are 415 million legally owned guns in the US. That means if every gun was to randomly kills 1 person on its own the whole of the United States would be depopulated (329 million people)
Why is the little old lady in the pic taking the gun out of her purse? The worst thing she can do is wave it around. I’ve always taught my SO’s to never let the bad guy see their gun and to fire it *through* the purse. A little fabric won’t make a difference to the bullet, and I’ll happily buy them a new purse…
So many self identified social advocates are doing wrong because they can without thinking about whether they should. Short term winning a battle leading to long term loss of the war. There was this NPR piece of Democrats bankrolling ads for the worst Republican candidates they could find, thinking that these extremists would be easier to defeat if they won their party’s nomination. How many did they not manage to defeat, thus leading to extremists getting elected? How much did the resulting supercharged rhetoric in campaigns lead to just what is going on now- the most hateful extremists in either direction taking over all public institutions. And the public acceptance that principles of civil behavior are a joke.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/27/1106859552/primary-illinois-colorado-republican-candidate-democrats-ads
What’s not included in Bonta’s press release, tweets or media interviews is the chilling effect this will have on the Second Amendment in the Golden State. Anyone who wants to carry a defensive firearm must now risk a complete loss of their privacy and the increased likelihood they and their family will be targeted by criminals.
Classic. Does this surprise anyone?
Well-written article Kym.
One point: This was not a “breach” as is commonly thought of. This wasn’t hackers stealing this data. The data was made available through a button on a DOJ website by design. It was programmed that way intentionally.
This wasn’t an accident.
They didn’t take it down until the next day when several pro-gun groups started talking about legal action.
Anti-gun liberals breaking into homes and taking guns from people? are you all serious? you can’t be serious, with all the BS you talk about liberals being weak and laden with soy, there’s no way in heck you all believe that. you’re spouting BS and you know it.
That’s not to say that this information should be public, because it shouldn’t. Any mildly intelligent gun owner knows not to advertise (but I’m not going to say that to anyone with their HK or Glock stickers on their rig, cuz they’ve gotta show the world how bada++ they are) to thieves. Owning a gun, especially carrying a concealed handgun is a monumental responsibility that shouldn’t be a symbol of pride or bada++ery or that you’re compensating for something lacking elsewhere.
On top of it all, on top of it all, man, people living in town really don’t need to carry. I was talking to an informed old boy who shared that the most common reason for CCW revocation in the county was for road rage incidents. People brandishing on the road because they’re insulted or bent out of shape. GTFoutta here with that crap.
Why shouldn’t it be a matter of public record?
Why should one have to get a permit to carry? Concealed or not? No mention of creating a database or picking and choosing who gets to carry in the 2nd Amendment.
…shall not be infringed is pretty self explanatory.
Perhaps requiring public disclosure of CCW applicants would
1) give the public the chance to provide input about the applicant, and
2) dissuade people who want to keep their weapons secret from applying.
Win-win!
I always wondered how people would respond to an amendment that said ” a woman’s right to have an abortion shall not be infringed”. Would the states and feds constantly try to infringe on that right, or would they just accept it as written?
too bad.
If congress hasn’t figure out a way to codify the right to an abortion, I’d say it’s pretty safe to assume that an amendment allowing abortions has a snowball’s chance in hell of passing.
https://youtu.be/DYLsmheaKEE
A hilarious 50 minutes of each extreme of the gun debate that finds a middle ground by the end.
Our state government intentionally puts lawful citizens at risk meanwhile Biden’s border policies caused more than 107,000 American fentanyl overdose deaths and hundreds of immigrant deaths. Biden’s Illegal Immigration Invasion isn’t in our national interest only helping billionaire business owners with the cheap labor.
Joe Biden did that!
Didn’t you get the notice?
Drug deaths are the result of bad parenting.
Drug deaths and abortions have bad parenting in common…
Yes, it does seem the government is one of the worst places to have your information stored. First the government partnership was hacked. Now CCW information. The only sure things with government are corruption and incompetence.
Great to see so many constitutionalist . I found the description “data breach” kinda funny. It was not so much a breach as an intentional release of info. To me breach implies a hack or something. This at its best was more incompetence from our leaders in CA. At worst an attempt to get judges and others harassed or worse. Judges names and addresses were part of this “breach”
Matt, who gave you the following info?…
Every California County has the autonomy to determine the “Good Cause” requirement CCW holders are to meet. In 37 California counties, including Mendocino, Humboldt, and Trinity, “good cause” was met by simply stating “self-defense”.
This is not correct in my experience in Humboldt County.
On the CCW application form, you must write a paragraph detailing the reason you want a CCW.
When I received first CCW 20 years ago in Humboldt, I was told by the detective interviewing me that I could NOT put down self-defense as the reason. I needed more specifics than that, such as handling large sums of money, working late at night in a dangerous area, etc.
Every renewal I have had has the same paragraph to fill out and the instructors always tell us we can not just put down “self defense” as our reason.
I am sure many others here have CCWs. What was your experience? Anybody just put down “self defense” and get approved?
California law delegates the task of what “good cause” means to a county’s sheriff or a city’s chief of police. This results in a wide array of attitudes across the state. The characterization of Humboldt, Trinity, and Mendocino is derived from a map generated by CalGuns that is updated multiple times per year based on reports from residents of each county that go through the CCW permit process. Also, the issuing agency is also tasked with determining whether an application is of “good moral character”, which, as you can imagine, is entirely subjective. This creates plenty of room in the law for the issuing agency to deny applicants based on nothing more than their discretion. I’m sure CalGuns would be interested in hearing about your experience. I would email [email protected], which is an email on the CCW California County map.
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Oh man, liberals are going to be screaming pissed when the private medical info of the people who have received tax payer funded abortions is “breached”.
Thank you California! For letting everyone know exactly why we do not need a permit to exercise our constitutional right to be armed. Come and get it!
Epstein’s clients list won’t be leaked.
So, now we can look and see how many progressive politicians that vote anti guns for you, actually have a concealed permit for themselves.
Plus all the other info revealed?