1 Death, 4 New Hospitalizations, 581 New Cases Since Friday
Humboldt County Public Health Laboratory Assistant Lauren Sapienza prepares a master mix used for COVID sample processing.
Press release from Humboldt County Public Health:
Humboldt County Public Health reported today the death of a resident aged 80 or older due to COVID-19. Staff in the Department Operations Center extend their condolences to all who have lost a loved one to the virus.
Four new hospitalizations, a resident in their 50s and three in their 60s, were reported since Friday. An additional 581 new cases were also reported, bringing to 17,390 the total number of confirmed positive tests for the virus locally.
According to Humboldt County Health Officer Dr. Ian Hoffman, the county may have passed the peak in COVID-19 cases, but numbers as a result of the Omicron variant remain high. Hoffman cautioned that a high point in hospitalizations tends to lag a few weeks after the peak in cases.
Residents are encouraged to continue protective measures such as distancing six feet from others when possible and avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces. The state remains under a mandatory mask order in all indoor public spaces, and it is recommended that individuals wear a well-fitted mask approved by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Today the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) gave full approval to the Moderna vaccine for individuals aged 18 and older, citing data that it meets its highest standards for safety, effectiveness and manufacturing quality. The Moderna vaccine, which joins Pfizer as the FDA’s second fully approved COVID-19 vaccine, will be marketed as Spikevax.
“While hundreds of millions of doses of Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine have been administered to individuals under emergency use authorization, we understand that for some individuals, FDA approval of this vaccine may instill additional confidence in making the decision to get vaccinated,” said acting FDA Commissioner Dr. Janet Woodcock.
COVID-19 vaccines remain effective against the virus, but CDC data shows their effectiveness at preventing infection or severe illness wanes over time, especially in people aged 65 or older. With the recent emergence of the Omicron variant, the CDC and other public health officials are recommending eligible individuals aged 12 and older receive a booster, which increases the immune response and provides additional protection against infection and severe disease.
While vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals are both at high risk to get Omicron, officials say the risk of hospitalization and death for those who are unvaccinated remains significantly higher. It is recommended that unvaccinated individuals reduce the risks of becoming infected and spreading the virus by washing their hands frequently, wearing masks in indoor public spaces and staying six feet apart from other people when possible.
The California Department of Public Health recommends individuals stay home and away from others and get tested if they become sick or experience COVID-19 symptoms, which may include fever, cough, shortness of breath, fatigue or muscle aches. COVID-19 symptoms often mimic common cold or flu illnesses.
Over the weekend, 153 individuals were vaccinated at two Public Health clinics held in Eureka and McKinleyville.
As always, Humboldt County’s vaccination and testing services are available free of charge. While walk-ins are allowed at all Public Health clinics and some pharmacy vaccination sites, appointments are strongly recommended for all vaccinations and are the best way to ensure a shot is available during your visit. Appointments can be made at MyTurn.ca.gov.
Vaccines, including boosters, are available at local pharmacies. To check the availability of a specific vaccine, visit the vaccines.gov page, or text your ZIP code to 438829 to locate a nearby pharmacy offering vaccines.
See the schedule below for specific Public Health vaccination and testing clinic dates, times, locations and available services. Questions about clinic services can be directed to the Joint Information Center at 1-707-441-5000.
Eureka — Tuesday, Feb. 1, 9 to 11:30 a.m.
Public Health Main Office (529 I St.)
Ages 12 and older
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
No testing available
$25 gift card for adults receiving a first or second dose
Appointments strongly recommended.Eureka Pediatric Clinic — Tuesday, Feb. 1, 1:15 to 4 p.m.
Public Health Main Office (529 I St.)
Ages 5 to 11
Pfizer only
No testing available
Appointments strongly recommended.Willow Creek — Tuesday, Feb. 1, 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Closed from noon to 1 p.m.
Public Health Office (77 Walnut Way)
Ages 12 and older
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
PCR and rapid testing available on a first-come first-served basis
$25 gift card for adults receiving a first or second dose
Appointments for vaccinations strongly recommended.Eureka — Wednesday, Feb. 2, 8 a.m. to 3:30 p.m.
Humboldt County Agricultural Building (5630 S. Broadway St.)
Ages 12 and older
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
PCR and rapid testing available on a first-come first-served basis
Appointments for vaccinations strongly recommended.Blue Lake — Thursday, Feb. 3, 9 a.m. to 4 p.m.
Blue Lake Resource Center (111 Greenwood Road)
Ages 12 and older
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
PCR and rapid testing available on a first-come first-served basis
Appointments for vaccinations strongly recommended.Eureka — Friday, Feb. 4, 1 to 8 p.m.
Wharfinger Building (1 Marina Way)
Ages 12 and older
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
No rapid testing available at this clinic. PCR testing offered through OptumServe by appointment on the lower floor of the Wharfinger Building.
Appointments for vaccinations strongly recommended.Eureka — Saturday, Feb. 5, 10 a.m. to 3 p.m.
Eureka High School (1915 J St.)
Ages 12 and older
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
PCR and rapid testing available on a first-come first-served basis
Appointments for vaccinations strongly recommended.Eureka — Monday, Feb. 7, 9 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. Closed from noon to 1 p.m.
Public Health Main Office (529 I St.)
Ages 12 and older
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
No testing available
$25 gift card for adults receiving a first or second dose
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??I would really like to have a normal summer. ??
As you go through life, you’ve got to see the valleys as well as the peaks.
Neil Young
So that is 26 hospitalizations since Jan 18th
The positivity rate for the test and positive cases as given in the Dashboard is
60.774058577405857741%
Good job on your rounding.
Crazy Uncle Joe says, after one year in office, that “we’re still trying to figure out” why illegal immigrants are coming to the US. Pretty clearly they’re coming for personal economic gain.
The systemic racism, food shortages, uncertain power grid and rigid caste system remind them of home.
If US manufacturers operating south of the border paid workers there a fair wage…..they would not come here. The mirror is a good place to look first when making judgements about “other” people.
Once again, totally off topic! If these “illegal immigrants” were from say Canada or even better, from England or Ireland, would you have a problem with them?
I believe we should economically isolate all illegal immigrants, including visa overstays, by requiring eVerify of all employees and substantial fines for employers bypassing eVerify
… the bend
Ya, I’d call that just shy of 61…lol
If only he lived what he preached
You posted the wrong pic of who is getting kicked in the a**
Yes Spotify shares rose but only after this..
Jan 31 (Reuters) – U.S. podcaster Joe Rogan apologized and pledged more balance on his show amid a backlash against COVID-19 misinformation on the streaming service that wiped more than $2 billion off its market value last week. Rogan backpedaling fast.
They’re past that bunch of lie’s and on to a whole new batch of speculative bullshit
??Now the whole ordeal is on the world stage let’s how they handle that. ??
Spotify stock: Up $13.46 and steady today, after jettisoning all of Neil Young’s dead weight. Ship must be cutting the water nicely now. Gained back the 2 billion and then some!
And they got the money back because?
And they lost it because?
If you watch the stock market at all, it’s been WILD lately. It isn’t just Spotify.
This is for the last month and shows where Young first messaged his intentions. Last Monday night…
Look at the Dow for the same period…I’ve already used up my meme quota here.
??Advertising went with some of the music,advertising is how they make their money and now the controversy over Spotify has gone worldwide. ??
You obviously didn’t watch the ten minute video. You just repeat news headlines from corporate media
Joe Rogan responded to a growing backlash against his popular podcast and host Spotify, saying his show had grown “out of control” and promised to be more balanced and informed about controversial topics in the future. Spotify stock was rising.
“If I pissed you off, I’m sorry,” Rogan said in a 10-minute Instagram video post on Sunday evening.
What so now you believe what he is saying?
Never said that. Please show me where I said that?
Are you implying he is lying? His fans are going to be very very unhappy with you if so. Cause according to them he never lies or passes on misinformation.
Though he does have a history of apologizing and then not following thru. Time will tell
Never said that. Please show me where I said that.
Did I say he was lying? Nope.
You accused him of “spreading misinformation”, did you not?
That means that you didn’t believe him, doesn’t it?
So much of what you post is deleted.
I asked you a question, that’s all.
Just a simple question, that’s all.
So do you believe him or not?
Yes or no. Simple.
(The Joe Rogan Paradox)
I never once said he is always lying or always passing on misinformation. He is saying now what I said days ago. He should reign in some of his comments and what some of his guests are saying. Jesus he had Alex Jones on his show remember him. Who called the Sandy Hook shootings a hoax and that microchip tracking devices were being injected in people with the vaccine. Rogan himself said the show is out of control.From what people have said Rogan has some great guests and good information. I never said shut down the show
Look, he said he was a moron.
Does that make him a moron?
Do you think he’s a moron?
Would that be believing a moron?
How wise would that be?
Or do you think it was more of his misinformation?
Was he lying?
Or was he telling the truth?
Certainly if he is truly a moron, nothing he says should be believed, even if he says he’s a moron, right?
Who, in their right mind would believe what a moron said?
“The Joe Rogan paradox”.
He said he was a moron, therefore, I don’t believe him.
He’s no dummy.
And neither am I.
Dude just pulled down a hundred million dollar contract.
Dude ain’t a moron.
Anyone that believes that… We been through that…
It’s some sour grapes.
Why doesn’t someone just post his video? It’s very succinct. I DID watch the Dr. Malone video but don’t watch him otherwise.
For all the haters out there – can you spare FIVE minutes? He pretty much says it all in the first 1/2. Then make an INFORMED decision.
bitchute.com/video/3Ilt4oOHf7r7/
You prove my point . You’ve repeated about ten seconds of a ten minute video.
Spotify said beat it neil young
You would never know about that if they’d dropped Rogan.
Spotify says to,
“Neil Young”,
“We’d like to introduce you to”…
“The Doors”.
(As Ray Charles’,
“Hit The Road Jack”,
plays in the background.)
Yep out the door with his two million net worth and going to hit the road with a new tour.And the Doors and Ray Charles would have backed him 100%
It’s already down to 2 million?
It was two hundred million last week!
He lost 198 million in a week?
He had it coming.
Yes I should have said two hundred million But it’s probably a lot more after this. Neil Young Sells 50% of His Song Copyrights to Hipgnosis.
Say what you will about Neil Young, he brought about change thru protest
Read the lyrics to Ohio and Southern Man. He has always spoke out about wrong things
Yeah, no problem, I’ve been really messing up on posting numbers too.
So should we believe Joe Rogan or not?
Time will tell
You read them. I know a forked tongue when I hear one. I could suggest some reading for you as well, but you probably wouldn’t like it either. He brought about change by coercion and manipulation. I can’t stand manipulation.
And what change did he bring about?
Is Joe Rogan believable now?
Was he unbelievable before?
I mean he was either telling the truth, or he wasn’t, right?
Is there anything Canadians don’t know about America?
Even Ray Charles could see that both the vaxxed and those who remain natural are being infected and at essentially the same rates.
I read an article today, on a study, that actually claimed,
“Triple-vaccinated individuals are 4.5 times more likely to test positive for a probable Omicron infection than the unvaccinated”.
Here is a screenshot.
I wonder if Neil Young, Kym, Nooo, Grey Fox, and Joni Mitchell have seen it?
If so, mum’s the word.
Nice screenshot of what?
An rehash of the latest antivaxxer spin by an antivaxxer site. ““No, the omicron variant does not infect better vaccinated than unvaccinated people,” Ramon Lorenzo-Redondo, an assistant professor of medicine at Northwestern University, said in an email. “The article is full of mistakes and the author misrepresents, cherry-picks or does not understand the data shown in the graphs that he has screen-captured with his phone.”
…’In each of those places, fully vaccinated people make up the vast majority of the population. So it stands to reason that more vaccinated people could test positive for COVID-19, including the dominant omicron variant, than those who are unvaccinated.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/01/28/fact-check-omicron-variant-isnt-more-likely-infect-vaccinated/9191880002/
https://www.healthdata.org/covid/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-summary
Why can’t you debate me? You insult me and then leave? Do you stand with your convictions? What say you?
And
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-omicronvariant-breakthroughpro/fact-check-article-examining-the-probability-of-omicron-variant-breakthrough-cases-is-misinterpreted-online-idUSL1N2T81PO
In a manner of speaking, it may.
You may be overlooking an important possibility.
I don’t read sites that I wouldn’t allow you to post a link to…But I will say that a similar claim is debunked by the highly respected McGill. https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-pseudoscience/are-triple-vaccinated-people-more-likely-be-infected-omicron-variant-unvaccinated
For what it’s worth.
We know what it’s worth: nothing. Absolutely nothing.
That sounds like it’s coming from the “foremost authority” on worthlessness. An expert.
Ha!
“For what it’s worth”.
Was that a subliminal hint? After all, Neil Young did do a song by that title with Buffalo Springfield!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80_39eAx3z8
Interesting.
Ah, yes, I wish that I had been so clever, but alas, it was merely a coincidence…
The ‘Break On Out’, Omicron dedication reference, from, ‘The Doors’, was an attempt at humor, though…
Good catch though…
Wrongly claimed by every solid site I can find. https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-pseudoscience/are-triple-vaccinated-people-more-likely-be-infected-omicron-variant-unvaccinated
Yeah, I’m not really putting that much stock in it either, I just said I read it…
But as far as being believable or not, is Joe Rogan to be believed?
Even a little?
Or should we pick and choose?
Does Joe Rogan have any credibility or not?
All credible information, or unbelievable misinformation?
Can he be trusted to be telling the truth at all?
Even a little?
Was he lying or was it misinformation, when he said he was a moron? That is believable somehow.
How wise is it to believe a moron, when he says he’s a moron, if everything else he says, one finds so unbelievable?
Kind of a double standard, isn’t it?
I for one, don’t believe Joe Rogan, just because he says he’s a moron.
And I don’t think anyone else should either.
Should we pick his nose? Does he have a nose at all? I’ve heard from a “reliable source” he’s a lizard person too. Look for the zipper on his skin!
To clear up any confusion, Fog Dog,
There should have been a question mark after ,”That is believable somehow”.
It should have read, “That is believable somehow?”
It was a typo, and I was attempting to be facetious.
I don’t think that Joe Rogan is a moron. Bottom line.
And it’s not that I really don’t believe him.
I should have written, more accurately,
“I, for one, don’t believe Joe Rogan, [is a moron], just because he said he’s a moron.”
It was just self deprecating humor, by him. People really shouldn’t take that so seriously.
But to tell you the truth, I can’t figure out what you’re trying to say.
You’ve been corrected over that bullshit before. A meme from an antivaxxer site does not constitute a valid argument.
It’s from an antivaxxer site?
I didn’t realize that when I posted it.
So it might have a slant?
But maybe it’s technically true?
But not a stretch? It might be?
Technically true is better than a stretch.
With words like probable at least you can tell it’s a stretch.
But Al Jazeera’ and lots of other places that fly here post some bullshit misinterpretations from the thinnest of evidence, that just slant the other way, and that’s fine even if they are presented as concrete when they are totally flimsy.
I don’t dig that.
Not one bit.
I’ve corrected some bullshit pro jabber bullshit before, too.
Acknowledge that. (You wont)
And that ain’t a meme. And if it’s bullshit it wasn’t intentional, and you should be able to figure that out. I think you can. There may be some truth to it, but I did miss the fine print. Kym made it pretty clear it was iffy, but at least she knows that’s not my M.O.
And I appreciate that. And I respect the rules.
I always try and present a valid argument, and if you don’t know that, you should by now.
You probably been corrected over some bullshit before, too.
Hence the grudge.
“I read”, “I saw”, “I heard” ….not research
But who ends up hospitalized and dies ?
Way fewer than 1% of the infected. They are overwhelmingly elderly and/or obese, and/or those who are otherwise at high risk (diabetics, immune compromised, etc). It has been that way since the virus apparently either escaped or was intentionally released from that biolab Fauxci helped fund.
The role of comorbidities in bad outcomes is even larger among the vaccinated.
The smarter strategy would have been to isolate and take care of the vulnerable while everyone else went about life normally but Fauci is a narcissist idiot.
Biden picked Kamala because of her sex and race. How did that turn out? Now he’s gong to do it again for SCOTUS nomination?
Current data raises serious question of whether vaccines doing any good against omicron
No, you know, the band,
‘The Doors’…
They have rededicated one of their old hits to the new variant, Omicron….
It’s called, “Break On Through” .
New tour? Neil young? Ain’t no way neil young can tour. He is decrepid. I saw him in 1990 and his voice was shot then. What he does now is trying for one last bit of attention as he fades away
One more for good measure: Elon has been stirring the POT lately!
You know censor ship is only the main point to anti vaxxers. To everyone else, it’s misinformation that’s at issue.
Why do you make this an anti vaxxer issue? For one, this experimental Mrna jab is not a “vaccine”. For two, it’s about the first amendment. For three, it’s about informed consent. Need I go on? I wish to make my own decision based on my own choices of information. Like it or not.
Yeah, ya know, like when he said he was a moron. No way was I gonna believe that misinformation, no siree Bob. He was obviously lying.
He protested, brought about change. He got his message across
Neil or Elon?
😉
LOL That cartoon makes it seem Spotify decided to give him the boot rather than he told them he wanted out. How very spin…
He wanted Joe Rogan out.
They said “pound sand”.
You are the one that is wringing it.
No, that’s Becky
And you should, if only the politicos accept all their covid orders have accomplished little to nothing.
By January 2022, however, the failure of the previous two years of U.S. COVID policies has become undeniable. Vaccinated people were once promised that they would be “dead ends” for the virus, but 80% of the first omicron cases in the United States were double vaccinated and one-third had received a booster. Many cities that implemented mask mandates and vaccine passports are seeing some of their highest case counts of the pandemic. As a result, the original justifications for COVID restrictions are now being openly contradicted by the same people who once argued for them—but without acknowledging the pivot. With the 2022 midterms in sight, the narrative is simply shifting without apology, and many of the arguments once made by “covidiots” are now being backed by Anthony Fauci, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, and the familiar cast of journalists and experts.
It was never social media “misinformation” that harmed people, but rather a coordinated attempt by public health officials and reporters to limit open discussion and skew coverage of COVID. This campaign manipulated the public into acquiescing to measures with catastrophic second-order effects but little epidemiological value. Now that the damage has been done, the old arbiters of truth and morality will not get back the trust or credibility they’ve squandered.
Source a left leaning news outlet
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/covid-affects-your-memory
Republican Congressman Thomas Massie.
On Sunday, Massie sarcastically tweeted, “You mustn’t question Fauci, for he is science.” Under those words, Massie posted an image that featured a giant hand crushing a group of much smaller people. The image includes a quote it attributed to Voltaire, the 18th-century Enlightenment writer and philosopher: “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”
Facts First: There is no record of Voltaire ever uttering these words. The quote is commonly attributed to Kevin Alfred Strom, a neo-Nazi who pleaded guilty in 2008 to possession of child pornography. Strom uttered a similar quote during a virulently antisemitic 1993 radio broadcast
I does not matter who first uttered the statement, the wisdom of those words are unassailable.
Just curious, can you cite a single instance where criticism of Dr. Fauci was somehow stifled? Because I’ve heard a shit-ton of it even when it was complete and utter nonsense.
How much have you heard when it wasn’t?
Actually you would have heard it from me almost two years ago when I kvetched that Fauci was mostly a bureaucrat rather than an active scientist, pointed out that the FDA botched covid testing and then Fauci refused to say what caused the failure and that they sent a committee to China’s research labs because there was a consensus that they had abysmal sample security. They got a team of university experts to make recommendations to improve it yet the NIH sent them money anyway and I couldn’t find any security demands attached to it.
With all that, Fauci is still more reliable than any anti vaxxer on earth.
You “learned” me a new word!
‘kvetched’
I Iike it!
Being a well known curmudgeon I think I’ll incorporate it into my vocabulary. ( With your permission )
And although I am old enough to have been taught Phonics, I hope I don’t mangle the pronunciaiton………
😉
How to pronounce kvetch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq1w7HANXzc
Thanks Kim!
Yes Fauci refused to say what caused the failure because it was intentional, to make sure that there was no evidence that Covid19 was here first.
BECAUSE IT WAS.
And then ONLY testing those that had recently arrived from China.
NO ONE ELSE.
It’s so damn obvious.
They did the same sort of thing with Omicron, ONLY testing those that had recently arrived from South Africa.
NO ONE ELSE.
Plausible deniability.
Don’t you see it?
It’s so obvious.
Not only was I the first person to mention this, I was the only one.
No one else even seems to understand it.
And out comes the conspiracy theories, not mentioned but always being the motivation in anti vaxxer misinformation. Always getting excited over the possibility of perceiving machinations when it’s almost always ordinary human mistakes.
What actually happened was a cascading failure of scientists pushed to work fast in a system that had become sloppy. For which management was responsible in the end. I suspect Fauci did not want to point fingers at the source of the failures because, as the old saw says, when you point the finger at someone, the other four fingers point back at you. Normally Buzzfeed is not a good source but here they did a splendid job of organizing the timeline of the failure.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/covid-test-false-positive-failure-cdc-documents
Ah yes, the inevitable return of,
“The voice from above”.
(Sounding so much wizer and wizened.)
You’ve got to just shake your head at people that post a saying like “when you point the finger at someone, the other four fingers point back at you.” yet never consider it might apply to themselves.
?????♂️??♂️? ?
☕, I hear ya!
It’s definitely a thing.
No question there is not anything close to a complete ban on criticizing Fauci, but there is also no question that there has been quite a bit of banning going on of those who argue the “science” behind the mandates, the effectiveness of masking, the origin of the virus, or whether potential therapeutics were unfairly ignored by our government health departments, all of which Fauci had great influence over.
I am on this site because I was banned by LoCO for posting studies and educated opinion on all these topics, so I know it first-hand.
So yes, criticism of Fauci and criticism of nearly any aspect of how the government has handled this pandemic has been, and still is being, censored on various platforms, in various ways, everyday.
Criticism is not a contest to lie bigger, faster and more often than those questioned. I criticised Fauci and never got banned because- tah tah- I made a point of posting evidence and not spite.
For some reason, the Webster’s dictionary definition of Tah Tah that I posted disappeared.
Spelling, grammar, etc. policing is against the rules.
It was simply a definition, did you know what it meant? I didn’t. I didn’t even think they were real words, but I was surprised that they were. No commentary was included in the post, no insult, no policing, just a definition.
You posted one on Kvetch to assist pronunciation, didn’t you?
Anyway, I just wondered why it disappeared, it’s your site.
I find it hard to believe you didn’t know Nooo was making the triumphant sound sometimes written as Ta da. I thought you were deliberately mangling this.
What you call deliberately mangling, I call discovering a new (to me) word I was unfamiliar with and posted the meaning.
Yes, I thought Nooo meant Ta Da but being curious I checked to see if Tah Tah was a word and it was, therefore I didn’t comment except to post the meaning.
I doubt Nooo knew the meaning either.
As I said, I just wondered why it disappeared.
Whether you find my motives hard to believe or not, I try to be pretty careful about how I phrase things. I’m pretty sure you watch me very carefully.
A carefully laid trap, says I, I stepped in it as well, even deeper says I, but you took the heat, ☕,
I’d be steamed, too. I thought your comment was beyond reproach, mine however…
Was probably in poor taste .
I found it on Urban dictionary, and I ran with it.
You probably got the scolding that I deserved.
I’m sorry.
Not your fault Guest, I never even saw your comment, it must have already been deleted.
I was just seriously curious.
Kym, In Hot Coffee’s defense,
Do you find it hard to believe that I had to look up “grok”, after I very nearly made mild fun at what I initially perceived as a typo?
I came so close to doing that, that my dubiously humorous reply was ready to post, but that’s when my “Spidey senses” kicked in, screaming, and a little bird told me, “It’s a trap!”.
So, being no, “stranger in a strange land”, I quickly googled it, just to be safe, and it’s a good thing that I did, if you “grok” my meaning.
I had to look up tah tah as well, just like Hot Coffee did, just like I did for “grok”.
That’s how I increase my vocabulary.
Even at my age, I come across words that I’m not familiar with.
It piques my interest.
I too , thought it was a “ta da” reference. I never even made it that far on Google, I already knew what that meant.
I also thought it might be a set up, a real trap this time.
It looks like it might have been.
Comments got deleted over it.
My Spidey senses we’re tingling,
but just barely.
And I couldn’t believe “grok” was a real word.
Then I must apologize as well.
I chimed in.
History books will reflect poorly on the covid strategy and stifling of alternative opinions by Fauci, his cabal, and parrots in media. Many of these alternative interpretations of data and policy proposals have now proven correct all along after pissing away $6T of debt to accomplish little, along with the long list of other adverse results in the tablet article.
Mostly”now proven” only to those who refuse to be objective. That there was much to criticise is not really an issue. Just that conspiracists, anti vaxxers, anti maskers are so much worse. You all will not be short on historical accusations.
What history? Have you noticed that the internet is being SCRUBBED of alternative viewpoints? Remember the book burnings of yesteryear?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_book-burning_incidents
Do you honestly think it has stopped? The flow of information is and always will be controlled by whoever rules this existence.
Taking out the trash is necessary when it accumulates. It’s a precondition to any reasonable discourse. 999 times out of 1000, it’s just normal maintenance. The paranoid don’t look at the 999 times but use the one left over as proof that it is all malicious.
Frankly the endless repeating of poor anti vaxxer and conspiracy thinking is trash that can overwhelm sensible but unsensational behavior. It tries to out shout everyone else. That is not scrubbing out the truth but scrubbing out the noise that makes people unable to think.
I can understand that noise might make you unable to think, but that does not translate to what other people can or cannot do.
Why have you elected yourself as the ultimate judge and keeper of other people? I find your lack of faith in people’s abilities appalling, just the concept that they NEED YOU to be their gatekeeper is so offensive it’s hard to describe.
Because I saw article after artcle where a person desperately sick from covid said they had wished they had never listened to anti vaxxer rhetoric. Many times such reports were from relatives after the person died. I hoped that posting a counter balance to anti vaxxer machine might save someone from the same fate. So yes, I elected myself that duty. But I’m not the ultimate judge. I’m just a court reporter reading back the transcript of what others said for use in of those doing the deciding.
Somehow I doubt you have the objectivity to have checked to see how many vaxxed regret their decision.
For instance, I don’t believe anyone told you they were “unable to think” and reading it in an article isn’t exactly giving you permission to anoint yourself their gatekeeper. They may find that equally distressing.
Once more into the personal attacks then I’m done with it. 1) I don’t have to look for those who regret being vaccinated, because while few ever make the news and I have read them, anti vaxxers are sure to point them out endlessly, make up stories that are clearly inaccurate to bulk up their repertoire and go beyond that to announce that everyone who has died after vaccination died from vaccination. While oddly enough also asserting that anyone who died from covid actually died with covid.
2) Objectivity is not goal of anti vaxxer rhetoric . They actually use words all the time about those who follow guidelines from the majority of experts(can’t think for themselves) so commonly they invented a term for that- sheeple. I doubt anyone saying they regret listening to anti vaxxers would ever have been offended by someone offering counter perspectives.
You confuse someone pointing to a better road as someone who is keeping people from choosing a poor one. I only wish I had that power. As it is all I try to do is point out the poor logic and down right false information.
Personal attacks? How many have told you they believe yours are offensive attacks?
Perhaps I don’t believe that a person who is elderly, had a heart attack, has a pacemaker and stents, should be mandated to inject a drug that has a short but very real history of causing blood clots, Nor a person who has had aneurysms.
Ever hear the expression “don’t throw the baby out with the bath water”?
That is a decision for them and their doctor, not the government.
As I’ve said before, one shoe doesn’t fit all feet.
Also, almost everyone I know has been Vaxxed, but not all have taken this vax so denying that is just as bad as calling people sheeple, which I personally haven’t done.
Noon, yea it has been quite common since the new administration came to be. All media eventually censor anything that does not comply with their own fake news articles. Our country, state, counties, and demliberal town governments have only the agenda to destroy any and everything they can that makes our own lives important. They went after the elderly first, then the businesses, then it was the manipulation of the citizens, then the experimental jabs. Now they are after the children. It has been one lie after another. These appointed people must be getting some kind of pay off for their lies. I know hospital,(which are non-profit) are making bank for every China flu case admitted to the hospital, more money if they use a respiratory on the patient, and then the hospitals do nothing for the people that really need medical attention. The first thing they do is shove that q-tip up your nose. Now (it use to take days) 10 minutes later they tell you that you have covid,(even if you got both jabs and 2 boosters, wear a mask when you drive and sleep). Then they might possibly give you the medical attention you need, but your chart will say you were treated for covid.
It’s an interesting opinion piece by a former Oakland school teacher who hated the school closures, but not a particularly fact-filled essay.
I think “normal” is going to be a relative term going forward. Much has changed that simply won’t get changed back because people like the new version better — work-from-home is a good example of that.
What’s that old saying/curse? “May you live in interesting times.” I’ll settle for some slightly less interesting times myself if it means less of this stupid drama we’re enduring.
Last summer was good , summer of 2020 was awesome. Airports , resorts , all empty.
Ivermectin would have saved our 80 yr. old elder. Kym knows the truth. The FDA knows the truth. You can get over a virus but you loose your freedom FOREVER !!!!
There is a 60.774058577405857741% chance that Grey Fox knows the truth also.
I humbly suggest Ivermectin could have saved thousands if not hundreds of thousands of lives if it weren’t for the Pharmafia’s control of the narrative. Other countries have used it with great success.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/?fbclid=IwAR0PJvnz_xAFHkGcxPVcuOHC4hRYcFvgKgbQLlR1YY1UpH0ZC8Srryx5RNU
This just in:
“This bill allows pharmacists to dispense invermectin pursuant to a standing order entered into by licensed health care providers.”
https://legiscan.com/NH/text/HB1022/2022
I completely agree. The amount of parasites eliminated by ivermectin is astonishing. Too bad cov-19 isnt a worm.
Well, apparently it also works as an anti viral and more:
“IVM not only has strong effects on parasites but also has potential antiviral effects. IVM can inhibit the replication of flavivirus by targeting the NS3 helicase [17]; it also blocks the nuclear transport of viral proteins by acting on α/β-mediated nuclear transport and exerts antiviral activity against the HIV-1 and dengue viruses [18]. Recent studies have also pointed out that it has a promising inhibitory effect on the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which has caused a global outbreak in 2020 [19]. In addition, IVM shows potential for clinical application in asthma [20] and neurological diseases [21]. Recently scientists have discovered that IVM has a strong anticancer effect.”
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1043661820315152
Okay, this I just don’t get — the continued belief that Ivermectin is some kind of magic cure for COVID but that vaccines and masks don’t work.
It’s just such a large cognitive dissonance that it is difficult to understand how people can latch on to it with such fervor while ignoring all of the actual research on the topic.
Don’t knock it til you try it.
These guys “tried” it involuntarily because the prison doctor read anti vaxxer websites.
“Karas has said that he started prescribing ivermectin to patients more regularly, and took it himself, after reading information from Frontline Covid Critical Care Alliance — a controversial group that originated at the beginning of the pandemic and has become known as a source of COVID-19 disinformation. “
“They said they were vitamins, steroids and antibiotics,” he told CBS News. “We were running fevers, throwing up, diarrhea … and so we figured that they were here to help us. … We never knew that they were running experiments on us, giving us ivermectin. We never knew that.”
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arkansas-inmates-ivermectin-federal-lawsuit-jail/
I respectfully submit this for your perusal:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
What does that have to do with a viral disease? Viruses do not microfilariae to be stopped by the drug.
Suppressing viral reproduction in vitro do not often translate into the drug acting in the same way in a body. So far the levels of ivermectin needed to kill the virus in humans are much higher than bodies can tolerate. So, while likely to have a small anti inflammatory action, for which there are many other better drugs, ivermectin has not shown clear benefits. It may have some. There are certainly enough studies going on to test the idea. But if it was what it’s proponents said it was, a powerful preventative, it would be clear by now and not just with cherry picked correlation population studies.
You stated:
““They said they were vitamins, steroids and antibiotics,” he told CBS News. “We were running fevers, throwing up, diarrhea … and so we figured that they were here to help us. … We never knew that they were running experiments on us, giving us ivermectin. We never knew that.”
So I provided a link that contradicts the preposterous idea that Ivermectin is an experimental drug and/or unsafe. (See above)
For instance in that link:
“Ivermectin has continually proved to be astonishingly safe for human use. Indeed, it is such a safe drug, with minimal side effects, that it can be administered by non-medical staff and even illiterate individuals in remote rural communities, provided that they have had some very basic, appropriate training. This fact has helped contribute to the unsurpassed beneficial impact that the drug has had on human health and welfare around the globe, especially with regard to the campaign to fight Onchocerciasis.57)
In reality, the renewed interest in fighting tropical diseases, including the involvement of the pharmaceutical industry, which has become increasingly evident over the past three decades, and which has saved lives and improved the welfare of billions of people, notably the poor and disadvantaged in the topics, can be traced back to the 1987 introduction of ivermectin for use in humans.”
And whether it works as an anti viral I present this:
“IVM not only has strong effects on parasites but also has potential antiviral effects. IVM can inhibit the replication of flavivirus by targeting the NS3 helicase [17]; it also blocks the nuclear transport of viral proteins by acting on α/β-mediated nuclear transport and exerts antiviral activity against the HIV-1 and dengue viruses [18]. Recent studies have also pointed out that it has a promising inhibitory effect on the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which has caused a global outbreak in 2020 [19]. In addition, IVM shows potential for clinical application in asthma [20] and neurological diseases [21]. Recently scientists have discovered that IVM has a strong anticancer effect.”
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1043661820315152
They are using it in India , Mexico, etc with success.
Dead men tell no tales.
Sounds like he lived to tell the tale.
Chalk one up for Ivermectin.
Cognitive dissonance? No thanks, I prefer a more rational approach to parsing widely disparate information into a cogent framework of comprehension and understanding.
As opposed to blind faith in something some random person on YouTube or Spotify swears will solve all COVID problems.
Tim, with all due respect.
If someone you knew and loved, and totally trusted, was scared to death from a bad case of Covid19, no taste, no smell, with serious difficulty breathing and likely hypoxia, and they told you that they had, in desperation, taken only one dose of Ivermectin, and they told you it provided them with a significant degree of nearly instant relief, and that loved one of yours lived to tell you that, I think that you might be singing a very different tune, my friend.
And I would wager strongly, that you too, my friend, vaxxed or unvaxxed, boosted or not, if experiencing serious difficulty breathing, and other symptoms of hypoxia, and your good friends had been dying recently at St Joe’s after they had been put on a ventilator, that you would start gobbling down Ivermectin like it was candy, and like there was no tomorrow. That is a given.
Now, that being said, I certainly hope that you never experience that, but until you do, Sir, and then choose to opt out of a chance to use Ivermectin, I really don’t think that you have any room to talk about it. At all.
Not. One. Bit.
And remember, for future reference, if necessary, that they told me it provided instant relief, and it was the turning point, to their recovery.
One dose.
That says a lot.
And I love this person very much.
And I am very grateful he pulled through.
It really doesn’t sound like you are speaking from a perspective of experience, Tim.
Not. At. All.
“they told you it provided them with a significant degree of nearly instant relief,“
I’d be skeptical to be honest. Or attribute it to a placebo effect, which seems more likely. Almost all of the studies which show any effect occurred when Ivermectin was given very early in the disease and if your friend was already hypoxic they were in the later stages. I’m not saying it’s impossible that Ivermectin was the direct reason for your friends turnaround, just that it’s very improbable.
Here’s a short piece from a review last Feb. by the National Institute of Health that explains part of the problem:
However, pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic studies suggest that achieving the plasma concentrations necessary for the antiviral efficacy detected in vitro would require administration of doses up to 100-fold higher than those approved for use in humans
Honestly, there’s still a lot of uncertainty about Ivermectin’s potential but to date there is no clear evidence that it works. And so no, I wouldn’t gobble Ivermectin if I came down with COVID. It can have serious interactions with other drugs you might be on or using to treat the disease, especially if you’re taking it at 100-times the recommended dosage for other treatment uses.
Like I said, your skepticism would instantly vanish, if you were the one gasping for breath, in fear of dying, and like I said, you would be grasping feverishly for Ivermectin, I guarantee it.
And if you think that it wasn’t convincing enough, they are the one that convinced me and my wife to get vaccinated, because they said we would never survive it, at our age. He may have had a co-infections as well, and I suspect that those that died on the ventilators may have as well.
I’m sorry that you don’t have anyone in your life that you can trust as much as I trust this person. I am very fortunate.
That is unfortunate for you, and as far as your song and dance goes, wait to perform that for me, until after you have battled a case of Covid19 serious enough that it takes your breath away for days, and you have cavalierly refused to take readily available Ivermectin.
Until then, do me a favor, and stow it, at least where it is directed towards me, please.
Like I said, you know nothing of what you speak, not that I wish that you did, you just obviously don’t.
As I wrote at the beginning of this thread — I am going to follow the science and the advice of the experts with respect to COVID treatments and Ivermectin simply isn’t recommended for that, regardless of anecdotal stories on the internet.
Easy to say. Let me know after you have some first hand experience, or at least some second hand experience.
Until then, it’s all just talking the talk, not walking the talk.
What treatments might you even be referring to?
Placebo is one hell of a drug…
You’d be eating it like candy, too, I guarantee you that, and begging for more.
Are you an expert on the effect of drugs?
You’d be eating Ivermectin like candy, too, to be sure, right after your very first difficult breath.
And clamouring for more.
You might want to stock up.
Sugar, look that up in your PDR.
While some may fit into your stated category, there are probably many like me who are more moderate in their beliefs. I was always skeptical about the promised benefit of masking. Common sense said it should help somewhat, but common sense also told me a cloth mask with a bunch of exhaled air leaking out from the edges (why do my glasses fog up) was probably not doing a whole lot.
I believed the benefit of getting vaccinated outweighed any potential risks (for me,) it also never thought that the vaccine would be a cure-all and that we should be concentrating far more resources into therapeutics.
On that topic, I believe Ivermectin likely has benefits in use against Covid. I don’t think it is a “magic cure,” but it is a drug known to have antiviral properties and while anecdotal, it appears to have been used with some success in other countries. Seeing as it is an incredibly safe drug, if I had come down with Covid (pre-Omicron) I would have taken Ivermectin had it been available.
I completely support your right to take whatever measures you think are appropriate in combating Covid, I don’t understand why that doesn’t apply for everyone.
“Seeing as it is an incredibly safe drug, if I had come down with Covid (pre-Omicron) I would have taken Ivermectin had it been available.”
It is safe at the recommended dosage as long as you don’t have any other prescriptions that it might interact with. The prescriptions sites show some 85 potentially serious drug interactions with Ivermectin.
Also for the desired anti-viral activity you’d have to take about a 100-fold dosage, which definitely isn’t all that safe.
Penicillin was like a magic cure for infections, but neither wolfbane nor wishful thinking were effective. Sometimes one thing works and other things don’t.
Hey Tim, ever heard of research?
Ivermectin works as an antiviral by blocking the virus from multiplying.
It blocks the virus from being able to cut proteins into pieces it needs to make new viral cells.
Works better than the so called vaccine.
It works, that’s why people still talk about it.
You see, not magic, science.
The vaccine will lower the severity of symptoms.
Masks will block some viral particles.
After 2 years the people who haven’t even bothered looking into Ivermectin with research are the ones suffering cognitive dissonance.
That was from work done in vitro (i.e. a petri dish). For it to work in vivo in humans, the concentration would have to be 100-times the recommended dosage of Ivermectin.
Misinformation is so Misinformation informing. None of us were alive, but in the early 1800s the US government said all Indians are savages, kill all animal like Indians. Any humanitarian voices were/would of been Misinformation, as was the entire project. Still the government is misinforming, and some people are helping.
Choosing to ignore experts in science who are backing up their information with facts and studies is not the same as ignoring those exposing the convenient economic opinion in the 1800’s that slaughtering “savages” allowed them to steal their land with no legal or moral consequences.
Being pro vaccine and pro mask doesn’t mean that you are pro government. It means you are pro facts and studies.
Did you see these results from this study? It’s been associated with some pretty wild and unsubstantiated claims. Do you think it’s too soon to be drawing the kinds of conclusions many are drawing from it, and then publishing?
The top chart is for Omicron. Everything in white boxes there is little evidence of, and these results are inconclusive, and every thing else on the chart, in the dark shaded boxes, have limited evidence of, and a moderate level of uncertainty.
In the upper Omicron chart as you can see, there are no light grey boxes of information.
Those are the only boxes with information that is consistent and comprehensive information, from multiple studies with a high degree of confidence, and in the Omicron chart, there are none.
Apparently scientific standards, which you question no matter what, is being intreperted by you as what? No proof at all? Don’t act on anything until is is certified ” High Confidence”, in which case there will never be any evidence as no one will do it? What is your complaint as neither Kym nor the poster is saying anything related to your response.
“Several studies of vaccine effectiveness have been conducted in the UK against different COVID-19 variants. Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease with the Omicron variant is substantially lower than against the Delta variant, with rapid waning. However, protection against hospitalisation remains high, particularly after 3 doses.” Seems good reason enough.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports
That link is where the graph came from. Page 14
Nooo is fighting me with a link to the study were the graph is found, but she didn’t even read it thoroughly enough to even realize it, and then posts the link as if to refute my evidence, with my own evidence.
Classic Nooo Action.
It’s like pulling teeth Grey Fox, I tell you, it’s like pulling teeth.
Am I the only one that reads these things thoroughly?
And I mean very thoroughly.
Nooo is also right on a lot of things. We all make mistakes. It’s a matter of learning from your mistakes.
True that.
Fair enough.
I’ve made plenty myself.
(Those darn pronouns)
I do actually, occasionally, find myself agreeing with Nooo.
??(When Nooo is tearing into someone else)?♂️??
As usual, Guest has assumed he is wiser than others. It was not “a mistake.” It was putting a link for others to look if they choose rather than take his usually pointless enthusiasm over what he calls mistakes that are actually his own misunderstandings.
As usual?
You must have taken the weekend off, or you would realize you arrived late to the party.
All the information was previously shared, posted, linked, screen shotted, along with a similar discussion with a CDC Study, all of which, you apparently missed.
As to this topic, you seem to be the last aboard.
Pointless enthusiasm would be to jump to unsubstantiated therefore errant, premature VE conclusions, and then, actually spread that misinformation.
That would be where any misunderstanding originated.
And I refuse to be on the receiving end of that, and I certainly won’t be involved with it’s inappropriate distribution.
And it’s laughable that you have suggested that you have been “dragged” into anything.
You jumped in with both feet.
Of course I realized it. The words on your screen shot are right there- “covid-19 vaccine surveillance report week 4.” A!l it took was a single search with those words. I put the link there because you didn’t and includes much more information than what you think is important.
Mostly of course you made much the significance of that the results were not labeled “high confidence” when not enough time with omicron has gone by to judge. As in “little evidence is available at this time.” What you want to make of this is obscure but it certainly is what I said before- not meaning much. And not a reason to wait to take action.
As to “pulling teeth”, that’s just silly. You have a soap opera view that it’s all about you personally. But I look at you as one of the faceless hoards of anti vaxxers on the internet who keep saying they are not anti vaxxers while spinning cherry picked information into something that are viral on anti vaxxer sites. If it looks like, sounds like and walks like a duck…
Fact is covid case rates, mild as most have become, have peaked and are declining. Maybe vaccination saved a few from delta? Time to return to normal life and commonsense. Covid or cold, stay home if you’re sick otherwise get on with life. 70% of American voters agree with me.
Tap on it. Read the legend. Every thing about Omicron hospitalizations and deaths in the top chart is in white. Everything.
Read the legend. “Little evidence,
results are inconclusive” low confidence.
And then what is the first thing you do? Read a misinterpretation and immediately start jumping to conclusions that it is absolutely solid and completely correct.
What part of “inconclusive” don’t you understand?
Why doesn’t anyone understand it?
Would anyone be so dogmatic as to realize a car is hurtling down at them but refuse to act as they insist that the results are “inconclusive”? Unless of course, you meant something different. But if you have something else in mind, you certainly did not say so and there doesn’t seem to be any other point. To use you off repeated technique to dismiss objections when others do not agree that what you think is important is important: why doesn’t everyone see that?
Apparently , to you,
“little evidence, results are inconclusive”,
means,
“rock solid, concrete evidence, spread the word”
Yet you draw conclusions from this “inconclusive” category too. Sheesh. While you announce that others have, you seem to include me when I have never made such allegations. All I did was point out that the document said much more than you presented.
Well, seemingly I have taken your usual baiting to get dragged into a personal unresolvable spit- fest. And I’ve gone as far down that useless road as I’m going.
Like what exactly?
When it comes to what can be certain about VE against Omicron,
from this study, I have concluded, exactly nothing, that’s what.
None of it even approaches, or is even in the realm of, certainty.
That’s a fact.
And I didn’t include you, you did.
Vaccine hesitant people can also be pro facts and studies… it all depends on which facts and studies one chooses to consider…
Yes but the standards are so… Hmm … How to put this? So different. Hardly any anti vaxxer has any standard other than to scrutinize for things to cherry pick and spin as they want. Usually someone saying something on YouTube is good enough for them.
My standards are different all right, they are nearly impossible to meet. And I’m not Antivaxxer, but if you’re going to market a vaccine to the American people, including me, I better be impressed, really damn impressed. And I’m not all that impressed. In fact, I am really disappointed. I am totally underwhelmed. And the way this is getting pushed into the youths, disgusts me, and that I find shameful.
Those darn anti vaxxers.. good thing I’m vaccine hesitant
Me toooooo
Can someone vaccinated rightly be called an “anti vaxxer”?
Only in Alice’s Wonderland.
Where conspiracists are everywhere.
Yes if they spread anti vaxxer ideology. Robert Malone is vaxxed and is the darling of the anti vaxxer movement.
Wake up call, Scientists are on YouTube.
Why Should Scientists be on YouTube? It’s all About Bamboo, Oil and Ice Cream
Scientific information is a key ingredient needed to tackle global challenges like climate change, but to do this it must be communicated in ways that are accessible to diverse groups, and that go beyond traditional methods (peer-reviewed publications). For decades there have been calls for scientists to improve their communication skills—with each other and the public—but, this problem persists. During this time there have been astonishing changes in the visual communication tools available to scientists. I see video as the next step in this evolution. In this paper I highlight three major changes in the visual communication tools over the past 100 years,
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcomm.2021.586297/full
Speaking of YouTube:
jt ALWAYS delivers
https://youtu.be/-cKkOZevNaQ
For instance the smallpox laden blankets?
Perfect example
Kym, I think one issue you neglect to consider is the potential bias of the “experts.” These experts are heavily funded by government grants and big pharma. Do you honestly believe all the experts are unbiased and pure-of-heart? I had a job where I worked with many scientists and “experts” in biology and oceanography and let me tell you, they know who pays their bills and what it takes to get their next grant. My personal life experience with these “experts” has made me very wary of blindly accepting their opinions and studies as fact without proper scrutiny.
We’re talking experts in Russia, ones in China, ones that are working for the government and ones working for private companies and ones working for universities. I’m not saying there can’t be bias. But again we’re talking odds. When you have most science and medical organizations across the world laying out studies showing that the COVID vaccine and masking protects against getting sick and dying from COVID then the odds are, it does. And no one says accept their opinions and studies blindly. But when you have the choice between the heavy weight of evidence in favor of vaccines (you can see the numbers here in Humboldt County. Over and over again those who haven’t been vaccinated die younger and more frequently than those who have been vaccinated.
China is using an inactivated virus vaccine, and employing extremely strict quarantine measures to stifle outbreaks. Russia has a genetically modified adenovirus platform underlying its vaccine, similar technology to J and J, and seems to have been much more lax in their approach to social restrictions.
There is not some unanimous chorus of experts around the world all promoting some singular approach
Except for the commonality that all say to get vaccinated. That’s pretty universal.
They also say to fluoridate and chlorinate your drinking water. They’ve also settled on a childhood vaccine schedule that is objectively not delivering the best possible health outcomes (unless you’re finally ready to share a couple of your famous “hundred of studies”). They also say not to worry about pesticide residue.
“They” don’t appear to be overly concerned with my or my families actual well being. “They” seem to be mostly focused on strategies to manage disease and malnutrition resulting from the living conditions in dense urban areas.
In reality, there are millions of medical professionals around the world with a variety of beliefs about the way any of their particular patients should respond to this, and other, health challenges. You, and Kym, choose to imagine that the belief handed down from the holder of the purse strings is obviously almost unanimously accepted. One key strategy is to insist that any health professional who expresses a different view point (even though they know it is socially unpopular and will likely cause them economic harm as well as open them up to a tremendous amount of public shaming) is inherently unreliable because they hold the viewpoint you have already dismissed.
It’s a circular logic that doesn’t permit an actual debate, and the aloof air of “ceding to the experts” doesn’t hide that fact from anyone who isn’t also already committed to the view point.
What may have been true earlier isn’t necessarily true forever. Masks and vaccines doing little if anything slowing omicron.
“A study from the New England Journal of Medicine found that having two doses of the Pfizer vaccine was 70% effective against hospitalization with omicron. Additionally, research from the Imperial College London found the Pfizer vaccine became 85.9% effective against omicron after receiving a booster…Unlike in the past, cloth masks are not as effective against omicron unless multilayered. I recommend wearing two masks, especially if in a high-risk exposure area and not fully vaccinated.” https://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2022/ask-the-expert-masks-and-omicron#:~:text=Masks%20not%20only%20reduce%20exposure,COVID%2D19%20vaccination%20and%20booster.
Thank you. Great information
Spotify up, breaking $200.00, and holding, although somewhat unsteadily….
Not really.
Where is that statement from?
I’d like to read the studies, I guess I will try and find them…
It’s linked in the article I linked. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2119270
I dug even deeper than that, to the studies themselves, and found an important unmentioned caveat from each study…
First of all,
From the actually study mentioned in your New England Journal of Medicine, where they got the information for their “study of a study”, (as in: “copy of a copy”),
It parses to…
The statistics are specific to the conditions and demographics etc., of the area of South Africa where the study was conducted, and do not apply, and cannot be extrapolated to be relevant to other countries, ie.
For example, the mean age might be 18 there, and that is not the case for the USA, etc.
In the second study you posted, attributed to research from the Imperial College of London, as to the VE against Omicron after a booster, of 85.9%, against hospitalization, is a best case scenario.
80.1% was mentioned, “if the decay rate is the same as observed after the first 2 doses.
Boosted VE of 85.9% against Omicron, is, “only if the decay rate is half”, of what was observed after the first 2 doses…
Even still, the actual study importantly notes, and specifies that,
“These numbers are associated with a high degree of uncertainty”.
Each important limiting caveat, one for each study or research you have referenced, isn’t mentioned by The New England Journal of Medicine, or the Imperial College of London, esteemed as they may be.
And I believe they are significant omissions.
They should be mentioned.
Screenshots to follow.
And possibly links…
From the data associated with the “Journal”, first…
And from the data associated with the “Imperial College’s ” research…
Tap, the important caveat is at the bottom…
In conclusion,
The “NEJoM”study, has no relevance to the USA or Americans at all, it’s just a case in point, a study with that can’t be used for another completely different area.
And, similarly,
the “ICoL” research is based on “numbers associated with a high degree of uncertainty.
Nothing solid or concrete about either assertion.
The first can’t be applied to the USA at all, and the second is based on very shaky grounds.
And, VE for Omicron hospitalizations, should have read “80.1% to 85.9%”, at that.
And I believe these are just estimates.
The study, and the research, not mentioning the associated limitations, is very misleading, IMO.
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These early estimates suggest that vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease with the Omicron variant is significantly lower than compared to the Delta variant. Nevertheless, moderate to high vaccine effectiveness of 70 to 75% is seen in the early period after a booster dose
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1042367/technical_briefing-31-10-december-2021.pdf
Thank you for explaining what I was supposed to read. I had gone to the page but couldn’t see what I was supposed to get from it. These days I try go avoid asking what people mean because of the tendency to get into a relentless debate over trivial stuff that has no real point. One problem is that the UK surveillance report compartmentalizes different VEs in different spots and the definitions are not consistent.
Some how my reply to this comment went to the bottom.
Of your interested, you can find it there.
Early estimates also said the original 2 doses would be 95% effective against infection. Why would anyone still parrot these early estimates?
I remember walking down the street one day, as I passed a girl I smelled honeysuckle. She must have been wearing that scent. My point being particles hang in the air for an extended period of time. So even 1 mask is going to offer some protection.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/12/flashback_march_2020_fauci_says_theres_no_reason_to_be_walking_around_with_a_mask.html
Straight from the horses mouth!! ?
Yes. Fauci was wrong and has said so. In part, he was wrong, because at the time scientists hadn’t learned how many people had no symptoms when they were contagious.
So what haven’t scientists learned by this time, or by this time next year?
Mandates deny people the right to wait and see. No matter how careful they are not to spread the infection.
That is one possible theory.
Here is another.
And the alternative theory, it really fits so much better, if one looks at the whole picture…
But one must be able to view it objectively.
Let’s assume, just for the sake of the argument, if possible, that Fauci has really been trying all along to get this thing to take off and spread, maliciously, while also trying to, heroically, push “the cure”.
Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy, on a grand scale. It’s not that uncommon.
Now consider all his questionable moves, that don’t seem to make sense, and they will suddenly all fit in so perfectly, and then they all start looking intentional, and suddenly they all make sense.
In order to see it though, you’d have to first give it due consideration.
And that might not happen.
And, please don’t overlook, when he allowed the vaccinated to unmask, and cases skyrocketed again…
View it from a totally neutral perspective, if you can, and I think it will surprise you, how it all suddenly fits together perfectly.
Never will I get the experimental jab. My cardiologist and I talked and agreed, I have enough problems I am dealing with and that I should not get it. I have a very low immune system because of the diseases I am already dealing with. Saying that, I do not wear a mask either because of breathing problems. Guess what! I have not caught this highly contagious deadly China virus. I actually was in contact with a couple of people that had it. In fact the family that lives next door to me,(family of 6) all came
If your doctor recommends you not get the vaccine, you’re one of the people the rest of us are getting the vaccine to protect the most.
SpikeVax is a brutal name. Sounds like an energy drink or one of those caffeinated malt liquors
Yep, and now that it’s not working anymore, the FDA approves it real quick. A real confidence builder.
Only in Anti Vaxxer land is Modern, which now has the name Spikevax for full approval of the same formulation, determined to be “not working.”
https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/spikevax-vaccine-approved-us-fda
Two doses especially after 25 weeks is weak, if that, against Omicron infection.
I’m at about 12 weeks.
The booster helps for 9 weeks, then, back down we start to go again.
Is that where you figure I’m from, Nooo, anti-vaxxer land?
When they said it was 95% effective against hospitalization you were supposed to realize that was only relevant to that 4 month window.
Of course if you pointed out that that data was only for a 4 month window(and collected at the height of the shutdowns) you were belittled as a “conspiracist” or “anti vaxxer”. But it’s working great. Be sure to get a punch card because the free ones will come in handy once the gov stops footing the bill
Because one of the bits you did not put your screen shot was vaccine efficacy in preventing death-
“Effectiveness against mortality
High levels of protection (over 90%) are also seen against mortality with all 3 vaccines and
against both the Alpha and Delta variants with relatively limited waning (6, 10, 11). Vaccine
effectiveness against mortality with the Omicron variant has been estimated for those aged 50
years and older by combining the risk of becoming a symptomatic case with the risk of death
among symptomatic cases in vaccinated (all vaccines combined) compared to unvaccinated
individuals (Table 1). At 25+ weeks following the second dose, vaccine effectiveness was
around 60% while at 2 or more weeks following a booster vaccine effectiveness was 95%
against mortality.”
Omicron or delta?
That’s what I thought at first, mlr,
But then I noticed, on the charts, that also even for Delta, her stated VE of 95%,
the “level of confidence”, after “dose 3″, was in a white box also, meaning it, too, was based on,”low confidence”, meaning,
“little evidence is available at present and results are inconclusive”.
And I think it is totally inappropriate to conclude, let alone represent, any kind VE exists, especially such a high VE of “95%”, based on, “little evidence”, and inconclusive results”.
For Nooo, or anyone else for that matter.
As far as I am concerned, it is misleading, and it is misrepresented misinformation.
And I think the chart backs that statement up as being accurate.
As the link says, which is why it’s there to be read , the mortality efficacy for omicron is estimated. It simply has not been around long enough to have much data yet. However I doubt that you are implying omicron is more deadly for that to be an underestimate.
So, take the stated VE estimate with only a grain of salt, as you should.
Because that ‘bit”, is an unconfirmed, unsubstantiated ‘bit”.
How is that not jumping to a conclusion?,
and how is it not, therefore,
also spreading misinformation, “a la Joe Rogan”?
There’s now a link so people who are interested don’t have to take anyone’s spin. How’s that not a good thing?
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1042367/technical_briefing-31-10-december-2021.pdf
See page 21
LOL! Saying the vaccine works is like saying that a car with a blown engine works. It keeps you dry and out of the wind, still working.
You can ride it down a hill with gravity powering it, still working.
The CD player still plays music, still working.
Yep, the vaccine will lower the severity of your symptoms but not block the viral spread, still working.
Yep, and good luck when it comes to ever slowing it down.
Working cars don’t fly over potholes but that doesn`t mean they don’t work. It would be great if vaccination protection against infection worked forever rather than a few months. But absent that, not dying or ending up in the hospital is still good and worth the effort of getting vaccinated.
If they only work for a few months it would be great if we had clinical data on multiple doses.
Whats the toxic dose? How much is too much? How do the acknowledged side effect rates change with increasing doses?
For those who would like to hear from Malone himself, instead of what’s said about him.
Dr Robert Malone full speech from Defeat The Mandates March in D.C. 1-23-2022
https://www.onenewspage.com/video/20220125/14222705/Dr-Robert-Malone-full-speech-from-Defeat-The.htm
aprox. 14 min.
At least Biden has some fans…
I wonder how many of his fans are crossing our border, to give him a helping hand.
Why Single Payer Died in the California Legislature, Again
https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2022/feb/1/why-single-payer-died-in-the-california-legislatur/
Maybe noo grey fox hot coffee et al should just get together for tea or something instead of talking at each other on here like they do… Most of it seems to be mirror talking, i.e. they are not really having a conversation, just battling the idea of a “liberal” or “conservative” they have in their brain and not really discussing anything… It’s kinda funny really
Thank you for your input. I will bring it up at our next meeting
I kind of doubt you’d actually be waking to have discussions in person. That’s the problem with social medias.. we’re all arguing with our conceived idea of another side and not actually talking to other humans.
Wow, more cases now, with preventive measures and vaccines, than there were at the onset of the pandemic. How can that be possible? Oh wait…people don’t care anymore. They’re not afraid of having the flu just like they weren’t afraid of having the flu before the flu became Covid. People went to work with the flu to show how dedicated they were! Pile of tissues on their desk, hacking and coughing, answering the phone, using the copier, congregating in the break room. In turn a couple of co-workers get sick, oh I got it from Linda, she was sick last week! And now all the kids are down with it but I sent them to school anyway…the flu we once knew!
You would send your kids to school with the flu?
@ Grey Fox
Re: origin of life
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GF, a conversation you tried to have recently regarding “origin of life” caught my eye, and wanted to share my thoughts.
First, with the “big bang” of the universe. It is not conclusive that the big bang theiry is what created our universe 18 billion years ago.
For the big bang to be true, we have to assume that before the big bang, there was no space or time.
It also means that the universe is finite, and that there will be an and to space and time in the future ( think 22 billion years in the future).
We do know that our universe is flat, and roughly 40 billion light years wide. We aren’t sure if it’s a 2dimensional “flat”( like paper), or if the “flat”curves to meet itself (like paper rolled in a tube or doughnut fashion).
The reason why our universe is wider (40 billion light years) than older (18 billion years) is because it is expanding.
The expansion is generally agreed upon, the difference of thoughts come when you discuss the pattern of contraction/expansion.
Is it a once and done, or, do we have a cyclical pattern similar to ocean tides on earth – but on a cosmic scale…
If it’s cyclical, than there would not necessarily be a beginning or end to space and time.
To me that’s important: The time.
If time (and space) are finite, than there simply hasn’t been enough time for too much other “intelligent life” to form in space.
By our account, it took roughly 10 billion years for us to get to today – from our beginnings as bacteria to communicating on earth through space satellites.
But, how did the bacteria come to be? We have not been able to replicate the ideas of the beginning of life here on earth.
“The common assumption that life began on Earth may be one of our last anthropocentrisms.”
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780128119402000113
To the origin of life question. I would put this as my subscription to the answer:
The first implication of our study of genomic complexity is that the early appearance of life on Earth most likely stemmed from contamination with prokaryotes (bacteria or archaea or their predecessors, such as LUCA) from space. Thus, despite the fact that we don’t have a final answer, it makes sense to explore the implications of a cosmic origin of life, before the Earth existed.
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Extrasolar life is likely to be present at least on some planets or satellites within our Solar System, because (1) all planets had comparable chances of being contaminated with microbial life, and (2) some planets and satellites (e.g., Mars, Europa, and Enceladus) provide niches where certain prokaryotes may survive and reproduce. If extraterrestrial life is present in the Solar System, it should have strong similarities to terrestrial microbes, which is a testable hypothesis.
We expect that they have the same nucleic acids (DNA and RNA) and similar mechanisms of transcription and translation as in terrestrial prokaryotes. The ability to survive interstellar transfer was the major selection factor among prokaryotes on the cosmic scale.
Thus, prokaryotic life forms were successful in colonizing the cosmos only if they were resilient to radiation, cold, drying, toxic substances, and highly adaptable to a broad range of planetary environments. In particular, photosynthesis or chemosynthesis is needed to be independent from organic resources.
The similarity between terrestrial and extraterrestrial prokaryotes may appear sufficient to draw a unified evolutionary tree of life, though it may be complicated by later transfers between the planets, such as between Earth and Mars (Gordon and McNichol, 2012).
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/panspermia
(Scroll to “Life Before Earth” if visiting above link)
That 3.0 quake last night gave the house a good jolt
Johns Hopkins as in not an anti-vaxxer?conspiracy site.
Johns Hopkins report:
Lockdowns did not work.
The Washington Times has a blockbuster story today, on a report from the highly respected Johns Hopkins University, that the draconian lockdowns has little for no impact on the Coronavirus.
“Lockdowns in the U.S. and Europe had little or no impact in reducing deaths from COVID-19, according to a new analysis by researchers at Johns Hopkins University. The lockdowns during the early phase of the pandemic in 2020 reduced COVID-19 mortality by about 0.2%, said the broad review of multiple scientific studies. “We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limiting gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality,” the researchers wrote.”
KABC’s Armstrong and Getty discussed the shocking ramifications of this report this morning…hear it here: https://omny.fm/shows/cumulusla/armstrong-and-getty-johns-hopkins-says-lockdowns-d
Read the study and judge for yourself:
https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf
Read more from the Washington Times: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jan/31/lockdowns-had-little-or-no-impact-covid-19-deaths-/
IDK. In don’t think it says what the WT- a notorious deliberate alternative to WP- is As far as studies goes, this one by a group of economists is pretty detailed effort to quantify something that was obvious from the beginning. Lockdowns only work to reduce mortality in places where and only as long as people are either cooperative or the government has the tools to enforce it. Well duh! When the disease ran riot, at least some people cooperated. But when it receded, they stopped cooperating.
I don’t think this is a “blockbuster” as most critics here are still complaining about what they call lockdowns that this study mention as effective- “However, closing non-essential businesses seems to have had some effect (reducing COVID-19 mortality by 10.6%), which is likely to be related to the closure of bars. Also, masks may reduce COVID-19 mortality, but there is only one study that examines universal mask mandates. The effect of border closures, school closures and limiting gatherings on COVID-19 mortality yields precision-weighted estimates of -0.1%, -4.4%, and 1.6%, respectively. ” “Because of the heterogeneity in NPIs across studies, it is difficult to draw strong conclusions
based on the studies of multiple specific measures” is not a conclusion they don’t work. Only they can’t evaluate them.
The fact that they only used Europe and the US studies with their patch work of spotty cooperation and lack of authority is disingenuous. A number of Asian and Pacific Island countries were and are very effective with using border control to almost eliminate mortality. And they did so with border closing and restictions fast. Not when the disease was already a problem.
Sure Grey Fox, and where the same thing was shown in the CDC Study, they made it very clear, that if the VE was reduced against Omicron, the results were likely overestimated.
Why wouldn’t it be any different in this study?
Do I really need to show you, again, where the CDC study states this?
It’s getting back little repetitive.
It’s pretty easy, for me anyway, to conclude, that at this point in time, none of the omicron studies can prove anything conclusively, because there just hasn’t been enough time elapsed to do that.
If it’s true for one Omicron study, especially the longest running, most recently concluded Omicron study, it’s true for them all, so the obvious conclusion is that any and all firm claims about VE against hospitalization from Omicron are basically bullshit.
And my research has backed that up.
Give it time, and some firm conclusions about Omicron and VE and boosters can be drawn.
But just like the fact that firm Delta conclusions are just trickling in, by the time the Omicron facts become crystal clear, Omicron will be no longer relevant, either.
Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO’s Covid-19 technical lead, indicated on Tuesday that those findings likely hold true for the omicron sister variant, labeled BA.2 by scientists. Van Kerkhove said information is limited, but initial data indicates that BA.2 is “slightly” more transmissible than the original omicron variant, what scientists formally refer to as BA.1, which is currently the dominant version worldwide.
However, there’s no indication that BA.2 is any different from the original omicron in terms of severity, Van Kerkhove said, and the vaccines remain effective at preventing severe disease and death from omicron and all of its subvariants. The WHO is working with scientists around the world to track BA.2 infections and will share more information as it becomes available, she said