The Frugal Foodie: Tips for Growing From Seed

The Fugal Foodie Welcome to the Frugal Foodie Corner! My Frugal Foodie Friends, I will be sharing weekly tips for stretching food budgets, having fun and making do in the kitchen and garden. This column is about growing food, storing food and preparing food. All are welcome here. This column’s comments are for sharing and learning, about food only please.

Today’s topic is growing food.  Gardening lets us set goals, dream, and have plans for the future, no matter what it holds.  Gardens are a wonderful place to both sit calmly listening to birds sing as well as to work out frustrations and worries by pulling weeds and turning earth.  My favorite thing about gardening is the way it reconnects me to the world through the use of all five senses.

While many people have gardened for years, more people than ever are gardening for the first time this year.  Many large seed companies have ran out of stock, so I thought a column on growing food might be helpful.  If you have a good tip, feel free to add it in the comments.  If you are new to gardening, I hope this helps.

*Any container used to start seeds must have drain holes. The soil needs to be well drained—damp, not soggy, or the root hairs will die.  I prefer to water lightly every other day, allowing the soil to dry on the surface.

* Plastic containers like sour cream, yogurt & salsa containers can easily be given holes with a very hot nail.  Open a window.  Using pliers or something else to hold the longest nail you can find, heat the nail on a stove burner & it will easily make holes in a plastic container.

* Rotisserie chicken and other hot deli meat containers are great for spouting seeds because they come with a green house lid.

*Waxed cardboard containers from milk, juice and ice cream work great for planting seeds and are easy to cut holes in with scissors.

*Starting seeds in containers is a great way to avoid losing plants to pests such as mice, rats, snails, eternally ravenous banana slugs, and birds looking for seeds.

*The best way to get a garden full of tasty vegetables for cheap is to buy seeds and starts at the local farmers market or nursery.  Local merchants carry varieties that grow locally, while national chains may not.  The plants and seeds will be labeled correctly.

*Seeds will still sprout that are a year or two old, if you find packets of old seeds.

*Sprouting potatoes, garlic, ginger, and onions in the kitchen can all be planted in the garden.  Make sure that you divide garlic up into individual cloves and plant each one separately. The rooted base of green onions also regrow well.

*Any fresh whole spice seed such as dill, caraway and coriander may be grown in the garden. You may soak them for an hour or just direct sow into soil.

*Many tomatoes and cucumbers at the grocery store are hybrids and their seeds are not good for planting.  Heirloom tomatoes and cucumbers both have seeds that can be planted in the garden, however they need fermentation to sprout.  You can put half an heirloom tomato or cucumber with the seeds into soil to rot, and you should get plants.

*I have had success saving seeds from heirloom winter squash, peppers, dried beans, and melons bought at the store.  Many fruits and vegetables at the grocery store are hybrids and will either have sterile seed or the food from the seeds will not taste like the original vegetables and fruits. Save the raw seeds from heirlooms on a paper towel to dry a little, and then plant them.

*Always plant the seeds for root crops right in the container or bed where you want them to grow.  Root crops include carrots, radishes, beets, parsnips and the like.  If you try to transplant these plants the vegetables usually end up deformed.

*Greens and flower crops such as swiss chard, lettuce, kale, broccoli and cauliflower are fine started in 6 packs or 4” pots.

*Large seeded pod crops such as peas and beans can be started in larger 6 packs or direct sown.

*Large seeded fruiting crops such as squash, cucumbers and melons do best in 4” to 1 gallon pots to start the seeds.

*Hot weather crops like tomatoes, tomatillos, and peppers usually spend more time in the green house, porch or window where they are started, so I like to plant them in 4” pots and transplant to 2 gallons.  When they outgrow the larger pots, then I put them in the garden.

*Wind pollinated crops like corn, popcorn and wheat require large patches of the same plant or else you will not get food.  You can hand pollinate, but this is labor intensive.  I personally prefer to buy these are farmers markets and farm stands.

*Starting seeds is exciting!  The first leaves that show up are seed leaves or cotyledons.  Then the plant grows it’s first pair of true leaves, while underground it’s hairy root is just starting to branch in the soil. Do not transplant at this stage, because if you break off the root tip the plant will be permanently stunted.  Wait until there are 4 real leaves and roots coming out the drain holes.  The soil will be held together by the roots, so the roots will not be damaged while transplanting and your plants will be much healthier.

*When dreaming and planting your garden, remember to plant what you and your family enjoy eating.

*Plants take room to grow.  If your garden is limited to small containers, seek out special varieties such as Roma tomatoes, small bib lettuce,  green onions, short carrots, and bush beans.

*I believe there will be a shortage of seed next year, so I suggest buying heirloom open pollinated varieties and researching how to save seed from the vegetables that your family most enjoys.

* Lastly, a special note about how much to plant.  Ask yourself if you need to plant the entire pack of seeds, because if you save some, they will sprout next year.  Never plant the entire pack of zucchini.  Two zucchini plants per a person in your family is more than enough, but you must have at least two for them to pollinate.  If you plant the entire pack of zucchini seeds, do not leave them in your neighbors vehicles and mailboxes.  You are warned.

I hope these tips are helpful, my Frugal Foodie Friends!  Please share in the comments, if my tips helped you or any tips that you have.  Until next week, enjoy some good food and garden dreams.

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Uncle Slayton
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Uncle Slayton
6 years ago

Guess that clones aren’t an option.

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Slayton

Hi Uncle Slaton. Thanks for your question. Clones are an option that tends to create plants with poor root structure & low immunity to pests and diseases. For that reason, I do not recommend them for veggie gardens.

Uncle Slayton
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Uncle Slayton
6 years ago

Yes, you are keeping alive the knowledge that kept earlier generations of my family in northern Mendo viable. Thanks.

Susan
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Susan
6 years ago

She is spot on great advice from a master gardener.

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  Susan

I never knew that heirloom tomatoes and cucumbers need fermentation to sprout! Now I am going to be cutting half of my favorite tomatoes and trying to get plants.

Perspective
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Perspective
6 years ago
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Take a whole tomato and squeeze out the juice and seeds into a container, with or without lid. Let that sit for a few days until it bubbles and ferments and gets moldy. Strain and rinse seeds, then dry them out. At that point they are ready to sprout.

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  Perspective

Thank you!

Shanna Archibold.
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Shanna Archibold.
6 years ago
Reply to  Perspective

Hi Perspective. Thank you for that excellent explanation. That is a great tip that should work too.

Jan
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Jan
6 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I’ve never fermented them and have saved seeds and regrown for years. I squirt out my seeds from a mature fruit (maybe that’s the key?) onto a paper towel and when it’s dried I keep it in a zip-lock baggie. When I want to plant a seed I tear off what I want, and plant it paper and all.

Kym Kemp
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6 years ago
Reply to  Jan

That’s a cool idea!

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago
Reply to  Jan

Hi Jan. You are correct. The difference is in acid levels of a tomato that is picked ripe versus the ones that are picked green to handle shipping and sitting on grocery store shelves. Since I was talking about saving seed from grocery store produce, the fermentation is a recommended step. Thank you so much for sharing your tip.

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago
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Hi Susan. Yes, I have completed the Master Gardener training through UC Cooperative Extension and have decades of gardening experience. I am thrilled for a chance to share my knowledge in this column. Thank you.

Dot
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Dot
6 years ago

Another thing is seed life – many seeds are viable more than one year.

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago
Reply to  Dot

Hi Dot. Great info! I appreciate you sharing this.

Jan
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Jan
6 years ago
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I just transplanted pea plants from seeds from 2012! I keep them in baggies with those desiccant packets in them, and then in a cool place out of direct sunlight.

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago
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Hi Jan. That is awesome that your 7 year old seeds sprouted. Seeds that are stored well can last really long. I remember reading about a lotus seed over 1000 years old that scientists sprouted. Thank you for sharing that story.

Awesome column!
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Awesome column!
6 years ago

My first gardening year in southern Humboldt I wanted lots of sun gold tomatoes so I planted 3 of them. They each got over 6feet tall, I hadno idea! 🙂

Definitely do not need many zucchini plants!
Its pretty amazing how in the southern hum climate the squash, tomatoes and cukes grow themselves with not too much tending.
I worked it out with friends in northern hum where i brought them tomatoes and other hot weather crops in exchange for salad greens, kale etc that prefer the northern climate. Highly recommend it!

Once you taste your first sugar snap pea straight off the plant you’ll never go back.

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago

Hi Awesome. I totally agree with everything you said. Totally ripened, homegrown, fresh picked vegetables are so much tastier than store bought!

Guest
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6 years ago

The first few sugar snaps don’t make into the house at all. But check what kind you are growing. There are busy varieties but many need vertical support as they will vine 10 feet at times. And keep them picked unless you’re saving seed. Woody peas are not so tasty. If you are not set up to garden, maybe look for bushing string beans (haricot verts are delicious and grow gangbusters on the coast), shelling peas or snow peas.

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6 years ago
Reply to  Guest

That’s Bush varieties , not busy.

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago
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Hi Guest. Thanks for sharing your tips & experiences. Mine have been similar. I prefer to also plant more green beans ( not dried bean varieties) once a month to ensure a good supply all summer.

Jan
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Jan
6 years ago
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Continuous harvesting is important to keep the plants (or sweet pea, for that matter) to keep producing flowers and fruit. Typically I put a mesh bag around the pods I want to save as seed and pick everything else of edible size every 2 days.

Joe Rial
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Joe Rial
6 years ago

Really looking forward to more from Shanna. We are growing more food this year and seasoned tips are timely and needed right now.

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago
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Thanks Joe. Feel free to request tips on things you would like to learn more about.

North west
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North west
6 years ago

Hi Shanna. I’m was looking at one of my previous posts and it sounded kinda shitty I’m sorry. Luckily I was raised is the garden by my Dad and in the pantry an kitchen by my grandma and mom My brother never did get it. My post was pointed at him.
Your advice is top shelf. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago
Reply to  North west

Hi Northwest. Welcome back. Thanks for the compliment and I enjoy sharing my knowledge. There were many who have helped me learn and I appreciate a chance to pass forward their knowledge to others. And being a frugal foodie is a wonderful thing. What are you growing this year?

Nancy
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Nancy
6 years ago

Great artical! Thanks so much for doing this!

Shanna Archibold.
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Shanna Archibold.
6 years ago
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Hi Nancy. Thank you for reading and taking the time to comment.

Youngtribemom
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Youngtribemom
6 years ago

Great article Shanna! Can you do a piece on local pest control? I, like others, went gangbusters on my garden this spring and my veggies are being decimated by birds, slugs…I even saw a cucumber beetle already! I put row cover on, but need help!

Shanna Archibold.
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Shanna Archibold.
6 years ago
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Hi Youngtribemom. That is an excellent suggestion for next week’s column. Out of curiosity, are you having problems with trays and pots of starts? Or did you plant an early garden and are losing plants in there? Row covers should help with birds. Did you try a bottle with some beer in it laid on it’s side? Slugs can’t resist beer, get drunk & drown. If you have trays or pots of starts, put them up off the ground and sprinkle table salt around them. Also see if you can figure out where the infestation is breeding. A few is okay, but an infestation usually means it’s time to trim up bushes, weed around the calla lilies, & do other maintanence to eliminate habitat. Good luck with your pests!

David Heller
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David Heller
6 years ago

This is just wonderful Shana, look forward to reading your column on a regular basis!

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago
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Hi David. Thanks for reading my column & commenting! I look forward to sharing more tips with you & reading yours.

S Regli
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S Regli
6 years ago

Hi, Shanna, Your tips for gardening are wonderful. Question for you: many locals suggest egg cartons for starting your seeds. What are your thoughts?

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago
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Hi S Regli. The first rule of being a frugal foodie is saving money when you can, so of course I love your question. Paper pulp egg cartons are great to repurpose for starting seeds.
If you try to use a plastic one, make a drain hole in each cell, plant & close the top to protect your seeds from pests until they have some leaves.
Each cell holds only about an inch of dirt and that is very limiting, so I suggest filling them all the way up. Small greens like lettuce, broccoli, basil, cilantro and other small starts do great in egg cartons. Larger seeds like squash & melons can be started in paper pulp egg cartons & quickly outgrow the root space. Use scissor to cut each cell apart & place into a larger pot. Then the root growth is impeded by the carton until it breaks down, so I prefer to just sow directly into larger pots. However considerations for pests and space can make egg cartons the best answer for others.
Would anyone else who uses egg cartons regularly like to share their tips & experiences?

Guest
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6 years ago

I’ve used the bottom of egg cartons as small pots as mentioned and the tops as flats. But that’s all I’be ever tried.

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago
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Thank you guest. How successful was that & what did you plant?

Guest
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6 years ago

It was very successful for green onion and leak starts because I never was able to row crop either of those things as something in my soil dragged them back undergrowth as soon as they sprouted. Too many disappeared overnight. The only success I have was transplanting them when they were a tiny bit bigger. I can’t remember if I tried them with anything else. If I did it was a long time ago.

Debbie
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Debbie
6 years ago

Hi Shanna – I’m growing a garden for the first time in 15 years. I’ve forgotten a lot, so this is perfect timing! Thank you!

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago
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Hi Debbie. Welcome back to the garden! Thank you so much for commenting. I’m glad my tips are helping.

Lynth
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Lynth
6 years ago

Thank you Shanna for this comprehensive and very important article on gardening, and thank you Kym for publishing!!!

If anyone needs locally grown starts, you can buy from local farmers at Miranda Farmers Market on Monday afternoons! At South fork HS parking lot Monday the 20th then back to the Market usual location in front of Miranda Market – but this year that market is on Mondays and is practicing social distancing and safety precautions until further notice!

I would add, some of the best performing herbs I have growing in Southern Humboldt climate are Rosemary, Sage, Mullien, Calendula, Oregano, Thyme, Lemon Balm, and Parsley. May you all be blessed with perennial friends and delicious fruits and roots and shoots and leaves!

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago
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Hi Lynth. Thank you so much for adding the information for the farmers market in Miranda. I have heard that there will be several vendors with starts and seeds of sale. I’m thrilled that you enjoyed the article.

Jeanne Terlinden
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6 years ago

Thank you Shanna for great info. I would like to add for other gardeners that lavender does very well in my micro-climate (23 miles SE of G’ville) but greens and melons do not. I am starting seeds for most of my (1 acre) garden this year. And I have had some difficulty in finding the seeds that I want. Do you have any suggestions about starting dill from seed? Would appreciate your input.

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago

Hi Jeanne. The quest for seeds is difficult this year. If you are having trouble finding dill seed, organic whole spice dill from the grocery store will sprout. Non organic may or may not be treated to stop it from sprouting. The seeds take about 2 weeks to sprout. I would sprout them in a 6 pack. After about a month I would transplant with 1 foot spacing. Thank you for commenting and I hope you find the varieties that you want for your garden.

Jan
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Jan
6 years ago

My dill self-sows regularly in the greenhouse (Hydesville). I don’t even bury or water it at first! However, it usually matures way before I need it for pickles, so resowing later is on my list this year.

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago
Reply to  Jan

Hi Jan. It sounds like you have great soil in your greenhouse, but your dill flowers too early. Try pinching or cutting off the flower bud to extend the life of your dill plants. Also greenhouses tend to be too hot for much in the summer, unless you use fans or live near the coast. . Maybe try transplanting a few outside.

Swami
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Swami
6 years ago

Do you pay attention to the moon cycles/astrology signs? Also, any tips for planting potatoes and yams that are a bit past prime??

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago
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Hi Swami. Yes, I have planted to the moon cycles and had great success. When life is really busy and it is hard to find time to garden, I find it more important to plant when I could. Seeds want to grow/ have evolved to grow. I find that factors like soil fertility, frosty mornings, adequate pot size and which variety I planted all had a bigger effect than moon cycle, but planting in the right moon phase does promote good growth.
The potatoes & yams that are already sprouting are easy to grow. If they are not sprouting yet, you could leave them in the sun to see if they sprout. Some commercial potatoes & sweet potatoes have been sprayed with chemicals so that they do not sprout. You can plant the entire potato about 2 inches under ground or you can cut up a potato with multiple sprouts.
Thank you for your question.

Jan
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Jan
6 years ago

Great article for keeping up interest when it wanes due to vole, earwig, gopher and mole damage. Just caught a vole that had somehow managed to burrow up into my beets in a 3′-tall raised bed built on top of 4 layers of weed cloth. Argh! I tell people don’t bother gardening unless you don’t mind killing living things. Those voles are very cute though…

Guest
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Guest
6 years ago
Reply to  Jan

I had a vole problem with potatoes until I started growing them in chicken wire baskets made out of PVC pipe.

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Hi guest. Thank you for your tip. I would love to see a picture.

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago
Reply to  Jan

Hi Jan. Your garden bed sounds very well constructed. Voles tunnel along the surface and can climb. They are the pest I have had the most problems with. Thank you for your comment.

Kato
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Kato
6 years ago

Shanna, I am thoroughly delighted that you’ve created this forum for the community to learn and share gardening wisdom! It’s an efficient way to share your vast experience, especially now that we are all so reliant on digital communication. Knowing so many of us are committing to gardens this spring is uplifting!

Can you give advice for “hilling” potatoes? Looking forward to more of your submissions!

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago
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Hi Kato. I’m so glad you are enjoying the column. It is cheering me up also that so many people are gardening.
Hilling potatoes and growing potatoes will probably be a future column topic. But here are a few basics for those unfamiliar with growing potatoes:
Green potatoes are toxic, and sunlight causes potatoes to turn green. I usually use the green potatoes to replant. (And no, the potatoes they grow are not toxic). “Hilling up” is adding soil, straw or aged compost around the potato plants when they are about 6” tall. This only works because potatoes are a vine, so instead of the stems rotting the plants grow new roots and more potatoes. Thank you Kato! And I will save more details for a future column.

SmallFry
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SmallFry
6 years ago

Thanks for this article! Lots of good advice.. I learned a lot about gardening from my grandma and my dad. My grandmas pantry was always full of the best canned and preserved food. In my parents home, we always had a large garden in our front yard. Often to the scrutiny of the neighbors. Lol. My aunt had the best back yard forested and full of the most Awesome garden gnomes. No garden is complete without a few garden gnomes in my book! Lol.. Anyway, I get a ton of Pursilane in my garden every year. I have a lot of folks who say I should weed it out. I think it makes an excellent edible ground cover. The roots seem shallow Enough not to really effect anything or take up much water. Any ideas? I hope to see more articles like this on RHBB!

Shanna Archibold
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Shanna Archibold
6 years ago

Hi SmallFry. It sounds like you have inspiring lovely gardening memories. I really like your question about Purslane.
Purslane is not only edible, but also tasty & nutritious. I decide whether to pull it up or leave it based on what I have planted nearby, just like Miners Lettuce. If you enjoy eating it, by all means grow it. That applies to anything, so don’t grow rutabagas, purple potatoes or horseradish if no one in your family likes them. Buy them at a store or farmers market to try them first, if you are unsure. Your garden is your space, that’s my philosophy.

Nicky E
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6 years ago

Hi, Shanna! Great tips! I think they are pretty helpful especially during this pandemic season. Time to revive them good old backyard!