Catholic Hospital Denies It Violated CA Law, Attorney General Makes Case For Abortion Protection

woman with megaphone at healthcare rally.

Dr. Anna Nusslock, seen here at the rally before Senator McGuire addressed the crowd. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]

When Anna Nusslock arrived at Providence St. Joseph Hospital in February 2024 with pregnancy complications, she says doctors told her an emergency abortion was the only treatment option. But, she says, the hospital refused. “They had every available resource to help me, but they just didn’t want to,” she said at a rally outside the courthouse Wednesday. That refusal now sits at the center of a case in which a Humboldt County judge will decide whether or not religious directives can override California’s Emergency Services Law. 

The California Attorney General is asking for a preliminary injunction requiring the Eureka hospital, owned by a Catholic nonprofit Providence Health, to comply with California’s state emergency care law. St. Joseph Hospital (SJH) disputes the need for such legal orders. They argue that they already follow the law and that Nusslock’s condition did not constitute a medical emergency.

Violating a court-ordered injunction (or the currently standing Stipulated Agreement) could result in charges of contempt of court, with penalties including substantial fines and, in cases of willful defiance, potential criminal charges could be sought by the Attorney General. 

The Attorney General’s office focused on emergency medical care rather than religious protections, arguing that the hospital’s unwritten policy of withholding intervention ‘until death was certain’ means ‘waiting until a patient is in septic shock, cardiac arrest or otherwise in peril of dying.’ The State’s attorney asserted, ‘Many such patients would die. Those who survive would likely be left with lifelong, serious ailments.

Flanked by two additional deputy AGs, Deputy Attorney General David Hauska asked Humboldt Superior Court Judge Timothy Canning to issue a preliminary injunction forcing St. Joseph Hospital — owned by Catholic nonprofit Providence Health — to comply with California’s Emergency Services Law (ESL) when pregnant patients need emergency abortion care. The State’s case is based on two key witnesses: Dr. Anna Nusslock, and Jane Roe, the anonymous second witness for The People in the case. 

Harvey L. Rochman, Attorney for the Defendant in the case, St. Joseph Health Northern California (SJH) presented the hospital’s defense, also with two other lawyers present on behalf of SJH. 

Wednesday, when Nusslock testified about her February 2024 arrival at St. Joseph Hospital, she said she was bleeding and in active labor – but despite her doctors’ recommendations that an emergency abortion was the only treatment option and that there was no time to get to San Francisco for the recommended procedure – staff handed her a bucket and towels “in case something happens in the car,” on the drive to Mad River Community Hospital, Nusslock explained.

My doctor told me,” she recounted, “that they couldn’t help me because of Providence’s religious hospital policy,” she said. “They told me, if I tried to drive to San Francisco, I would hemorrhage and die.”

Lawyer in court

Attorney for St. Joseph Hospital Harvey L. Rochman addresses the court, as Hon. Judge Canning looks on. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]

By the time she received treatment, she was “sitting in a pool of blood,” according to Nusslock’s attorney, K. M. Bell of the National Women’s Law Center. Attorney Bell weighed in after the hearing, saying that the AG’s case “has important implications across the state, because it will ensure that anyone who is pregnant can get the emergency care they need.” 

Bell explained, “[T]he hospital in this case, which is part of a large chain, is claiming it doesn’t have to comply with state emergency care laws because it is a religious hospital. Failing to hold Providence accountable would embolden other hospitals to disregard the law and refuse to provide care in emergencies, when minutes count.” 

Bell replied, “This is a major concern given that 1 in 6 hospital beds in the US are in Catholic hospitals,” when asked about implications for affiliated hospitals. 

Nusslock’s description of that experience was called “a false narrative” by Attorney Rochman, as Nusslock – the State’s key witness – looked on from the gallery shaking her head in a gesture of disapproval. Although he noted that Nusslock and Roe’s experiences were “very unfortunate” and offered that the “hospital absolutely sympathizes” with the women, Rochman reiterated that the SJH’s opinion is that the Attorney General has exaggerated and “misrepresented the facts” to the court and to the public. Rochman told the court that Nusslock’s condition at the time of her departure from SJH did “not seem to be dangerous at all.” 

Regarding the defense’s characterization of Nusslock’s pregnancy condition and the resulting traumatic loss of twins weeks before “viability” outside the womb, Bell stated, “After losing their argument that this case should be dismissed because of the hospital’s religious status, their attorneys are now adding insult to Dr. Anna Nusslock’s injuries, claiming this was not an emergency at all. The tragic reality is that by the time she was able to see another doctor, she was “sitting in a pool of blood,” and continues to suffer two years later because of the fear for her life that night.”   

As part of the defense’s argument, Attorney Rochman asserted that the hospital already complies with California’s ESL, while disputing that there was any emergency to respond to – both in Nusslock’s case, and in the case of Jane Roe. 

St. Joseph’s lead counsel argues that the Attorney General’s office was attempting to compel the hospital to provide abortions unnecessarily, outside of the law. In what the AG says is a policy contradiction, SJH has framed the case in part as a Constitutional Freedom of Religion issue, asserting that any requirement to perform abortion care apart from Vasa’s stated guidance would be a violation of their  Catholic “Ethical and Religious Directives” (ERD’s), and would therefore be illegal. Yet, the hospital also claims that it does abide by California’s ESL in cases where an abortion is necessary. Explaining to the court that the hospital’s doctors “do not speak for the hospital” instead relying on outside professionals and depositions of administrative level staff. Rochman quoted SJH Director of Nursing Kristen Hanson who stated, “if an abortion is needed in an emergency situation, then it is provided,” but asserted that this was not needed for Nusslock or Roe. 

Is Previable PPROM an Emergency?

At the center of the legal dispute is a medical condition called PPROM—preterm premature rupture of membranes—which occurs when the amniotic sac breaks before 37 weeks of pregnancy. The condition causes approximately one-third of all preterm births in the United States and carries serious risks: infection leading to sepsis, hemorrhage, and fetal death. Medical research shows that maternal sepsis can progress to death in as little as 18 hours from onset. Both Anna Nusslock and Jane Roe were diagnosed with previable PPROM. Nusslock miscarried twins at 15 weeks, while Roe experienced the condition three times between 2021 and 2022. In both cases, their doctors advised that an emergency abortion was the medically necessary remedy.

When PPROM occurs before viability—the point at which a fetus could survive outside the womb—standard medical care often involves terminating the pregnancy to protect the mother’s health.

But St. Joseph Hospital’s attorneys told Judge Canning that neither woman was experiencing a medical emergency at the time they sought care. Attorney Harvey Rochman argued that PPROM “is not an emergency condition unless it has complications,” and that both patients were “appropriately assessed” with “vital signs within the normal limit” when discharged from St. Joseph’s.

The hospital’s position, Rochman explained, is that California’s Emergency Services Law requires hospitals to “stabilize the patient” but does not require treatment of diagnosed conditions unless the patient is actively unstable.  Rochman asserted to the court that California’s emergency services law was not applicable, because he argued, neither case was an emergency.

Deputy Attorney General David Hauska rejected that interpretation. The determination of a medical emergency, he argued, hinges on risk to the patient’s health, not on waiting for a catastrophic outcome. “Emergent medical decisions are defined by risk, not certainty,” Hauska told Judge Canning.

Interview with Dr. Anna Nusslock before The State Attorney General’s rebuttal at the Preliminary Injunction hearing. [Video by Ryan Hutson]

By the time each woman received treatment at other facilities, Hauska said, “both were suffering from serious hemorrhages and lost a combined three and a half liters of blood”—a potentially fatal amount.

California law permits abortion before viability, which the state defines as when “a doctor determines that the fetus could live outside the uterus without extreme medical measures,” according to the California Department of Public Health. In both Nusslock’s and Roe’s cases, their pregnancies were not viable—the fetuses could not survive—but the question before Judge Canning is whether the hospital was legally required to act before the mothers’ conditions became immediately life-threatening.

The “Certain Death” Standard

The gap between California law and St. Joseph’s practice comes down to timing, according to the Attorney General. Deputy AG Hauska pointed to a letter from Catholic Bishop Robert F. Vasa, who oversees the region, stating that a hospital may only terminate a previable pregnancy when “the only alternative is certain death of both mother and child.”

One is a law which requires action when patients are at serious risk. The other is a policy, the AG asserts, that strategically waits until death is imminent in order to not run afoul of Catholic Ethical and Religious Directives (ERD) which serve as official guidance and policy for hospitals under the umbrella of Providence St. Joseph Health, which are overseen by Robert F. Vasa, Bishop of Santa Rosa. 

Waiting until patients approach death puts them at imminent risk of septic shock and multiple organ failure. “At that point,” Hauska contended that the hospital’s preference for Vasa’s direction to wait until “certain death” was extreme, illegal, and untenable for mothers and families across the state but particularly for women in Humboldt. According to the State’s witnesses and research, “even an aggressive and active intervention will not be enough. The mortality rate of patients who progress to septic shock is estimated at 50 to 60 percent.”

Deputy AG Hauska argued that while the hospital claims to have a written policy aligned with California’s ESL, the actual working policy regarding emergency abortion care at St. Joseph is commonly understood among medical staff but had not been written down until Bishop Vasa’s letter arrived from Santa Rosa. According to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, Bishop Vasa serves on the Task Force on Health Care and oversees the Diocese of Santa Rosa (which includes Humboldt County) , where roughly 18 percent of residents are Catholic.

Despite there being no definitive publicly available written policy on abortion care at St. Joseph Hospital, AG Hauska asserted that witnesses, including doctors, had consistently confirmed the existence of the standard. “Despite not being written documentation, multiple witnesses use almost exactly the same language to describe said policy,” Hauska told the judge. “Three individual sources converging on the same point” –doctors could only intervene when the mother’s life was in immediate danger.

Dr. Simon Stampe, who treated Jane Roe, testified that at St. Joseph Hospital, an emergency abortion is only permitted when the patient is “actively dying,” Hauska told the court while refuting the hospital’s assertion that they do comply with California’s ESL.  

lawyers in court

Deputy AG David Hauska seen here making the State’s rebuttal before Hon. Judge Timothy Canning. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]

There are around 50 Catholic hospitals in the state, with Providence operating at least 8 of them across Northern and Southern California, including St. Joseph Hospital in Eureka. The case will likely impact how religiously affiliated hospitals across California balance institutional directives with legal obligations to treat patients in emergencies. In regard to the Hospital’s claim that the injunction would infringe upon its Catholic religious freedoms, Nusslock condemned that stance. “All hospitals need to provide emergency life saving care,” she said, “[N]o exceptions.”  

Patient Transfer or Patient Dumping? 

The Attorney General characterized what happened to Nusslock as patient dumping—sending a miscarrying, actively hemorrhaging patient to a smaller hospital with limited obstetric capacity.

In Nusslock’s written declaration to the court, she recounted the moment she was told to go to Mad River as an alternative: “‘Mad River will take you,’ Nusslock testified  the doctor said. She added, “I knew that Mad River was a small community hospital in Arcata, California. With no other feasible option for obtaining the emergency treatment I needed and in fear for my life, I submitted to leave Providence Hospital and go to Mad River.”

No one at Providence Hospital told me about the risks involved with leaving the hospital and driving in my own car to Mad River,” Nusslock explained under penalty of perjury. She added, “They also did not tell me that leaving Providence Hospital or declining an ambulance would be against medical advice or require that I sign any paperwork to that effect.” 

When she arrived at Mad River, she said the situation deteriorated further. “The medical staff at the Mad River [Emergency Department] were not expecting me and were not aware that I was coming from Providence Hospital,” Nusslock stated in her declaration. “They did not seem to have any of my medical records. When I arrived, therefore, I was unable to go directly to [Labor & Delivery]. Instead, I had to wait in the Mad River ED while my bleeding and pain continued. I also had to explain, by myself, to the ED staff the details of all I had been through that night.”

By the time treatment began, the emergency had become critical. “Within hours, both were suffering from serious hemorrhages and lost a combined three and a half liters of blood,” Hauska said of Nusslock and Roe. The medical record “does show she was bleeding upon arrival at Mad River,” he said, adding that Nusslock testified “she had passed an apple-sized blood clot” by the time she was admitted to Mad River.

Attorney Rochman disputed this characterization of understaffing and poor communication regarding her referral to Mad River entirely. He pointed to medical records showing she didn’t receive a dilation and curettage until after 10:30 a.m.—nearly four hours after arriving—noting the records mentioned use of mifepristone to induce contractions and the wait time involved. “So it turns out that this whole series of events actually is a vindication for St. Joseph Hospital,” Rochman said.

courtroom scene

Anna Nusslock observed the hearing from the front row, Wednesday December 10. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]

Rochman noted that Mad River Community Hospital has two OB physicians on staff who can perform emergency abortions, though he acknowledged they’re not always working and neither is on-call while away from the hospital. He maintained that there was no delay for either of the State’s witnesses.

Hauska seized on this point, arguing that St. Joseph had been negligent in sending patients experiencing urgent pregnancy complications to a facility with unreliable obstetric coverage. For a service to be truly “available,” he argued, it needs to be accessible around the clock. “Emergencies happen 24 hours a day, seven days a week,” Hauska said.

The Broader Stakes

Your Honor, we’re asking for an injunction that requires them to follow the law,” Hauska concluded, landing the State’s case with a grim prediction, saying to Judge Canning that without an injunction, “[T]here will be another woman on the gurney”.

Judge Canning took the matter under submission and has 90 days to issue a ruling. The stipulated agreement requiring St. Joseph to follow emergency care law – the same agreement Bishop Vasa objected to – remains in effect while Canning weighs the urgency of the matter, in deciding if an Injunction is warranted. 

Clarifying the technical enforcement of the currently standing Stipulated Agreement between the State and SJH, Attorney Bell explained that the “injunction / stipulation that is currently in place… binds only the hospital in Eureka,” until the Judge issues a further ruling. 

As far as consequences, Bell replied, “Someone who violates an injunction can be held “in contempt” by the court and forced to pay fines or even, in extreme circumstances, held criminally liable.” Nusslock’s Attorney added, “It is important for community members to know that Providence hospital in Eureka is currently operating under a court order to comply with the law and provide emergency abortion care if the patient’s provider determines it is necessary. If a pregnant patient does not get the care they need, they should contact the Attorney General’s office at [email protected].” 

Outside of the courthouse, Senator Mike McGuire made an appearance at the courthouse rally, lauding Nusslock for her steadfastness in the matter, saying, “Ms. Nusslock, your strength, your courage, your conviction- you’re standing up, and you’re standing strong to ensure that no other woman in this state faces the horrific conditions that you did.” Asked for his thoughts on the big picture for other California families and the case that the State had presented, McGuire told Redheaded Blackbelt, “…[T]his lawsuit is about Anna, but it’s also about sending a message to every health care institution in California, every health care institution across the land that no one is above the law.

Judge Canning’s ruling on the request for a Preliminary Injunction could reshape how religiously affiliated hospitals statewide balance institutional directives with legal obligations, particularly in rural areas with limited options in medical emergencies. Looking at the big picture for California, Bell wrote, “While these injunctions will not bind other hospitals, the Emergency Services Law does, and I’m sure other hospitals will be watching to see if this Court enforces the law.” 

Additionally, as the Hon. Judge Canning considers the State’s case against SJH, Dr. Anna Nusslok’s personal civil lawsuit, Bell noted, “unlike the AG’s case,” Nusslock “is also seeking to hold all of Providence accountable for their roles in setting the hospital’s discriminatory policy.” In that case, the next hearing “on the parent companies’ latest attempt to get out of the case” Attorney Bell says, “will be held Dec. 22,” also in Humboldt County Superior Court.  

EARLIER:

Attorney General Bonta Moves to Enforce Court Order Against Providence St. Joseph Hospital

Providence St. Joseph Hospital Agrees to Terms Amid Ongoing Lawsuit About Hum Co Woman Denied Abortion Care

Facebooktwitterpinterestmail

Join the discussion! For rules visit: https://kymkemp.com/commenting-rules

Comments system how-to: https://wpdiscuz.com/community/postid/10599/

Subscribe
Notify of
guest

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.

118 Please improve the conversation by disagreeing thoughtfully and backing your claims with facts
Oldest
Newest Most Voted
Permanently on Monitoring
Guest
Permanently on Monitoring
7 months ago

The main thing wrong with this Hospital:

It is PRIVATELY owned by the Catholic Church…

When Anna Nusslock arrived at Providence St. Joseph Hospital in February 2024 with pregnancy complications, she says doctors told her an emergency abortion was the only treatment option. But, she says, the hospital refused. “They had every available resource to help me, but they just didn’t want to,” she said at a rally outside the courthouse Wednesday. That refusal now sits at the center of a case in which a Humboldt County judge will decide whether or not religious directives can override California’s Emergency Services Law. 

The treatment in this instance was considered to be outside the scope of practice…

First, do no harm…

Truth Be Told
Member
Truth Be Told
7 months ago

“First do no harm….”

The hospital maintains they did no harm — they merely refused treatment and cast a woman in dire need of emergency services out into the night with a bucket of rags — “in case something happened.”

Its no surprise the Catholic Church, which covered up and protected child molesters for decades (and probably centuries), is trying to blame the victims instead of taking responsibility for their nearly fatal denial of emergency services.

Reprehensible and disgusting but not surprising.

Last edited 7 months ago
Permanently on Monitoring
Guest
Permanently on Monitoring
7 months ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

The worst single act of malpractice since Michael Newdow spent 8 hours trying to bring a deceased 15 year old woman back to life, in 2013, leaving her uncovered naked body in plain view for hours and traumatizing the entire staff…

Dr Newdow was not fired, but he was made Medical Director…

Ben Round
Guest
Ben Round
7 months ago

If she was 15 years old, she was a child, not a woman.

Fan of TRG
Guest
Fan of TRG
7 months ago
Reply to  Ben Round

Seriously?

It is the exception that female of 15 yo has not started her period – which literally defines becoming a “woman.” See AI overview below👇

Also the utter lack of awareness of the physiological processes involved in female fertility and the gestational process (risks/interventions) exposed in this comment thread is stunning.

Ben Round
Guest
Ben Round
6 months ago
Reply to  Fan of TRG

You might want to check the laws in California…..

Yikes
Guest
Yikes
7 months ago

15 years old is a girl, a child. Not a woman. I didn’t even start my period til 16 idk why so many call girl children by the adult name it’s very very creepy.

Fan of TRG
Guest
Fan of TRG
7 months ago
Reply to  Yikes

The average age for menarche (first menstruation) is around 12 years old, with most girls starting between 10 and 15, though this can vary by genetics, nutrition, and environment, with younger generations often starting slightly earlier than past generations. 

Ben Round
Guest
Ben Round
7 months ago
Reply to  Yikes

I hear you, but it’s a common distinction; adult or child. I didn’t make that rule.

Longtime Mendo Local
Guest
Longtime Mendo Local
7 months ago

You are correct. If Providence St.Joseph’s Hospital doesn’t believe this to be an emergency and medically necessary, what else do they think isn’t an emergency and medically necessary? They either provide emergency services that are necessary, or get out of the hospital business!!

Ernie Branscomb
Guest
Ernie Branscomb
7 months ago

This story has Nation-wide implications. And is in most National news sources.
The following is from: The National women’s Law Center.
https://nwlc.org/resource/nwlc-files-lawsuit-to-hold-hospital-accountable-for-discriminatory-refusal-to-provide-emergency-abortion-care/
“Why It MattersEvery person in need of emergency medical care—including abortion care—deserves to get it without exceptions and without delays.  Hospitals should not determine a patient’s care based on their religious or personal beliefs; rather, care should be determined by what is best for the patient’s health and circumstances. This lawsuit seeks to hold a hospital system accountable for violating California laws requiring hospitals to provide emergency abortion care without discrimination.”

Jeffersonian
Guest
Jeffersonian
7 months ago

The weasel words of statutes. What constitutes an emergency in these two particular situations?That is the question. If the legislators didnt write gibberish, the directives would be clear. Almost every modern statute has definitive shortcomings. It creates endless litigation on every subject. In the words of William Penn long ago to his accusers, “If this law be so common, why be it so difficult to comprehend “. And if mandated by the state do they adequately address the compensation issue.The cost of emergency care is huge because so much is necessary for uninsured people and it affects the cost of hospital and medical care for all and the viability of rural hospitals. Not making a judgment on these two cases. Havent heard real evidence yet. Just multiple hearsay from reporters about attorney statements, none of which are evidence..

Last edited 7 months ago
Karla
Guest
Karla
7 months ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

Ok, it’s hearsay as journalism always is. But not being jurors we are free to develop opinions based on that, given how credible we consider the media source and its coverage.

old guy
Guest
old guy
7 months ago
Reply to  Karla

As a juror, you need a much higher reliability of the witness factor than journalist, and media, as they are mostly opinion based, not pure factual accounts.

Karla
Guest
Karla
7 months ago
Reply to  old guy

Of course, as a juror you will be making your decision solely on evidence presented in court, not on what is presented in the news media. But to make this observation is not basis for a dodge to say that the media is not credible because it is not a court and that readers cannot form their own qualified opinions accordingly.

Truth Be Told
Member
Truth Be Told
7 months ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

”What constitutes an emergency in these two particular situations? aRbat is the question.”

I’d say if you have a non-viable pregnancy and you’ll die without appropriate medical care it’s an emergency.

The only weasel words are coming from the hospital’s attorneys who want the judge to believe it’s not an emergency unless death is imminent.

That’s pure hogwash and shows a callous disregard for human life and suffering.

The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

Nusslock indicated that she didn’t want a procedural abortion, while at St Joe’s…

“In considering the two options for ending her pregnancy, Anna opted for an induction, so that she could labor, give birth to, and grieve her twins.”

Case notes,

Line 12 and 13…

Paragraph 35.

Screenshot of case notes, at this link…

https://kymkemp.com/2025/12/13/catholic-hospital-denies-it-violated-ca-law-attorney-general-makes-case-for-abortion-protection/#comment-1888125

Resident
Guest
Resident
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

I’m going to assume you’re a man, because no woman I know would speak so casually about something this devastating.

As a mother who lost a baby at 19 weeks, and didn’t find out until 21, I can tell you with absolute certainty: I would never choose a D&E. I chose an induction. It was one of the worst days of my life. But I got to hold my son. I got to see him. I got to grieve him as a person, not as “tissue” removed in a procedure.

The way you talk about this, like it’s just a matter of efficiency or convenience, shows a complete lack of empathy. We get it: you don’t care if women die from complications. You don’t care about their grief, their trauma, or their right to make decisions about their own bodies. You just want them to comply.

Your comment isn’t just heartless, it’s part of the reason people like Anna are left to suffer. And if your mother raised you to treat women this way, I hope she’s at least aware of the harm you’re doing.

Last edited 7 months ago
The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  Resident

It’s hard to be objective of one is overly emotionally invested.

“can someone overly emotionally invested think objectively?”

“Someone overly emotionally invested struggles to think objectively because intense emotions hijack rational thought, warping perception and distorting facts to fit feelings, but developing skills like mindfulness, cognitive defusion, and stepping back can help create mental space for clearer, more balanced judgment, even if perfect objectivity is rare.

It’s about managing emotions, not eliminating them, to get closer to a clearer view, like a general observing a battle from afar rather than being in the thick of it.

Why it’s hard to be objective

Emotional Override:

Strong feelings (fear, anger, passion) activate the brain’s emotional centers (amygdala), blocking access to the rational cortex, making clear thinking difficult.

Emotional Reasoning:

You might believe something is true because you feel it so strongly, interpreting your feelings as objective reality (e.g., “I’m scared, so it must be dangerous”).

Distorted Memory:

Facts can get warped to align with your emotional state, forgetting details that don’t fit your narrative.

Bias:

Personal biases and desires often distort logic, leading you to favor information that justifies what you want to believe.

How to approach objectivity

Practice Mindfulness:

Techniques like cognitive defusion (labeling thoughts as just thoughts, not facts) create distance from intense feelings.

Gain Perspective:

Imagine yourself as an objective observer or a general watching the battle from a safe distance.

Seek Outside Views:

Talk to trusted, neutral people; their detachment can offer clarity you lack.

Pause Before Acting: Create a delay between the emotional trigger and your response to allow your rational brain to catch up.

Accept Imperfection:

Recognize that 100% objectivity is a difficult ideal, but managing your emotional response is key to better decisions. “

58LittleBear
Guest
58LittleBear
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

If you or your wife or your daughter were suffering and in pain and concerned that you/they might be dying, you might not be concerned about some stranger’s analysis and critique of your personal situation and why you should want to save your own life. You might even be a bit emotional if the hospital you showed up at was too concerned about their so-called religious rules to be concerned about your dire situation.

I’ve been following this since I first heard about it last year and what is in this article is consistent with what I read previously. Parsing the victim’s words while she was in the middle of a health emergency and probably confused and desperate will go nowhere with a reasonable jury. It’s just cruel.

Resident
Guest
Resident
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Let me be clear: I’m not coming from fear, I’m coming from passion, lived experience, and a deep sense of justice. You, on the other hand, seem to be coming from a place of hostility, maybe even contempt for women. And that kind of emotional bias absolutely clouds judgment, no matter how much you try to dress it up as “objectivity.”

You’re not a psychologist. You’re parroting concepts you didn’t originate, applying them selectively to discredit people who are speaking from pain and truth. That’s not insight, it’s arrogance.

And here’s the irony: true emotional intelligence isn’t about detachment or condescension. It’s about empathy, communication, and the ability to understand others without needing to dominate them. You don’t get to lecture people on objectivity while being smug, dismissive, and emotionally invested in being right at all costs.

And frankly, you’re contradicting yourself. You talk about emotional reasoning like it’s some fatal flaw, yet you’ve been relentlessly ranting about this case, over and over, while dehumanizing a woman who was denied care in a situation that could have killed her. That’s not objectivity. That’s an emotional outburst disguised as logic. You’re so fixated on proving your point that you’ve lost sight of the actual human beings involved.

You’re dismissing her experience. You’re dismissing mine. And then you have the nerve to suggest that I’m the one who can’t think logically? That’s not just hypocritical, it’s absurd.

Resident
Guest
Resident
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

You’ve made a lot of sweeping claims and psychological diagnoses without citing a single credible source. Meanwhile, I’ve actually taken the time to look at peer-reviewed research, like this study published in BMC Psychology, which shows that emotional intelligence improves decision-making, especially in emotionally complex situations. Another study found that EI enhances judgment accuracy and reduces cognitive bias. So no, being emotionally invested doesn’t make someone irrational. It means they understand the stakes.

You’re not applying psychology, you’re misusing it to dismiss people who challenge your narrative. That’s not objectivity. That’s projection.

So if you’re going to accuse others of being too emotional to think clearly, maybe take a look at your own behavior first. Because from where I’m standing, the only thing clouding judgment here is your ego.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s40359-025-02779-w

58LittleBear
Guest
58LittleBear
7 months ago
Reply to  Resident

That is everything I would want to say.

I am a robot
Guest
I am a robot
7 months ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

Believe the women. Believe the doctors. Their statements are NOT hearsay. They are lived experience

River
Member
River
7 months ago

There used to be a County Hospital (General) just down the street.

Bozo
Guest
Bozo
7 months ago
Reply to  River

IMHO:

Long long time ago… it started out life as a ‘Labor Union’ hospital. Back when the labor parties were a threat to the Dems and the Reps.

Wilson (president) threw the leader (Debs) of the labor movement in federal jail.

— web stuff

On June 16, 1918 Debs made an anti-war speech in Canton, Ohio, protesting US involvement in World War I. He was arrested on June 30 under the Espionage Act of 1917 and convicted, sentenced to serve ten years in prison and to be disenfranchised for life.

Karla
Guest
Karla
7 months ago
Reply to  Bozo

Yes, Debs was incarcerated under the regime of that phony liberal icon Woodrow Wilson for a couple years until President Harding commuted his sentence. The law Debs was convicted of violating was later ruled unconstitutional by the Supeme Court

The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  River

Yep…

It went belly-up…

Not a good sign…

The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago

“By the time treatment began, the emergency had become critical. “Within hours, both were suffering from serious hemorrhages and lost a combined three and a half liters of blood,” Hauska said of Nusslock and Roe. The medical record “does show she was bleeding upon arrival at Mad River,” he said, adding that Nusslock testified “she had passed an apple-sized blood clot” by the time she was admitted to Mad River.”

-‘RHBB’-

______________________________________

……………………………………………………………..

“By the time treatment began, the emergency had become critical.”

-RHBB-

➡️([Refers only to Nusslock, or both Nusslock and Roe…???])⬅️
______________________________________

Is this a quoted part of the testimony…???

Was it a doctor’s actual statement…???

Is it an adjudicated fact…???

Is it the reporters medical assessment conclusion, and/or, just a journalistic opinion narrative…???…

(just the facts, ma’am, just the facts…)

(Author’s singular, non-medically certified, personal, journalistic assessment of Nusslock’s condition…???)…

……………………………………………………….

” “Within hours, ➡️both were suffering from serious hemorrhages and lost a combined three and a half liters of blood,⬅️” ➡️Hauska said of Nusslock and Roe.⬅️”

➡️([Refers suddenly to Nusslock AND Roe.])⬅️

_____________________________________

(Author’s apparent reasoning for their previous assessment, but suddenly, in a significant shift, the criteria has now assessed the blood lost by TWO patients, at once, Nusslock AND Roe, not just ONE, (Nusslock), AND the COMBINED BLOOD LOSS OF NUSSLOCK’S AND ROE’S, NOT JUST NUSSLOCK’S BLOOD LOSS…!!!…???

SO, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ONE PATIENT, (Nusslock) OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TWO PATIENTS, (Nusslock AND Roe)…???

Or are we jumping back and forth…???

BECAUSE THE AUTHOR IS ALL OVER THE/THEIR “CHART(S)”…

WHY WOULD THE AG’S ATTORNEY, and/or AUTHOR, BE MAKING SUCH AN AMBIGUOUS, VAGUE, REPRESENTATION TO THE JUDGE AND JURY, and/or READERS, RESPECTIVELY, BY MISLEADINGLY COMBINING THE BLOOD LOSS FOR BOTH PATIENTS, (NUSSLOCK AND ROE), (“three and a half liters”), AS IF NUSSLOCK ALONE, and/or NUSSLOCK AND ROE, HAD BOTH SINGULARLY EACH LOST THAT VOLUME OF BLOOD, (“three and a half litres”)…THAT THE TWO PATIENTS, IN COMBINATION, HAD REPORTEDLY LOST, BOTH COMBINED, NOT EACH…???

Not to discount the serious, consequential nature of the blood lost by either patient, but the ambiguous, vague, misleading, sensationalism, and potential misrepresentation, of a total of 3.5 litres of blood having been lost by a single patient, is, AT LEAST, twice as serious and and alarming as a representation of 3.5 liters of blood being lost by a combination of the actual blood lost by both patients, Nusslock and Roe, (two patients) combined…

Then the author shifts, yet again, from describing the medical condition and blood loss of two patients, Nusslock AND Roe, to describing the medical condition of just one patient, (Nusslock), (below), randomly associating very different testimony, regarding different numbers of patients, back and forth, recombined, as if just one occurance, for greatest journalistic narrative effect, yet, recombined out of order, and for a shifting number of patients in a single paragraph…!!!???

…………………………………………………….

“The medical record “does show she was bleeding upon arrival at Mad River,” he said, adding that Nusslock testified “she had passed an apple-sized blood clot” by the time she was admitted to Mad River.” ”

➡️([Refers again, to only Nusslock])⬅️
_____________________________________

3.5 litres is about 7.4 pints…

An adult has approximately 12-13 pints of blood…

Females have more blood than males, generally speaking…

Two female adults combined might have 26 pints of blood, combined…

Lets not confuse the severity of 7.4 total pints lost from 26 total pints volume from two patients, with the severity of 7.4 total pints lost from just 13 pints volume, from just one patient, especially during a trial…

The first scenario is certainly concerning, the severity depending somewhat on how rapid the loss, whereas the second scenario is probably almost certainly fatal without immediate emergency intervention and blood transfusion…

Important Caveat:

I’m not a doctor…

I believe it’s a DISENGENUOUS factual misrepresentation by the AG attorney to the judge and jury to have not absolutely clarified what the blood loss volume was to each patient, separately…

Representing the total volume of blood lost by both patients in combination, (3.5L), even possibly leading to it be misconstrued by the judge and/or jury, as if being the actual volume of blood, (3.5L) lost by each patient, is what I would consider a possible fraudulent misrepresentation of facts by the AG attorney which must be properly clarified for the record, and for the readers…

“Just to be clear”…

The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Correction…

Adult females have less blood volume than males, not more…

9-10 pints for women…

Pregnant women at 24 and beyond weeks have increased blood volume of about 50%.

Increases to between 5500ml and 6500ml…

11.62 to 12.74 pints from 9-10 pints…

I regret the error…

I am a robot
Guest
I am a robot
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Are you a lawyer?. Please identify yourself so no one in their right mind retains your services

Karla
Guest
Karla
7 months ago
Reply to  I am a robot

No way this person with his frivolous parsing of minutiae is an attorney. An aspy off his meds more likely

ABA
Guest
ABA
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

“I’m not a doctor…”

Yeah no shit.

Karla
Guest
Karla
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

LOL, what utter obtuse pettifoggery. The article is a well written professional piece of journalism whose credibility this commenter thinks they can impeach through an exhaustive examination of its alleged grammatical flaws. If someone has a moral issue with abortion and believes the hospital acted properly, just come out and say it, don’t deflect to a petty and contrived sophomoric diatribe about the grammar and style of this excellent article. The commenter seems to think their rant is intellectually serious, but actually it’s quite pretentious and risible.

The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  Karla

Really …???

If what you say is actually true…

Then…

Tell me, as written, and testified and/or attested to to by the AG attorney, what is your understanding of how much blood, in litres, that Anna Nusslock actually personally lost, prior to her “treatment”, at Mad River Hospital, and/or in total…???

Also, when did her water break…???

How long after her water broke, before she arrived at St Joe’s…

Did Anna Nusslock have a team of neonatal specialists familiar with her ready and prepared to treat her situation, in in communication at UCSF or was it at Stanford…???

Did Anna Nusslock decline an emergency medical helicopter transfer to those bay area specialists, and at what time and day…???

Did Anna Nusslock then also refuse the Ambulance transfer to Mad River Hospital from St Joe’s that was suggested to her…???

Did Anna Nusslock’s twins share just one placenta…???

After Anna Nusslock learned that one of her twins, both unviable at just 15 weeks that shared just one placenta, had already died, and her amniotic sac previously ruptured, for heaven only knows how long, (days?) did she ask her doctor if it was possible that the other twin might possibly survive, delaying transfer and treatment even further…???

What was she thinking…???

Did she want to give birth naturally, at St Joe’s, and go through that process, or did she want an abortion…???

How could she have not known that St. Joe’s does not perform non emergency abortions, on principle…

Why was she trying to force their hand at St Joe…???

She had already been given two other options…

If she had had previous miscarriages, and specialists in the bay area, 5-6 hours away, why not have helicopter insurance…???

The answers to many of those questions can be found in previous comment sections in the links to previous article s in bold black letters, above, at the end of this article, that are normally links in red…

I’ve researched this case pretty in depth, much more than some other commenters…

As far as this part of your comment…

“If someone has a moral issue with abortion and believes the hospital acted properly, just come out and say it”,

Yes , I do have a moral issue with abortion, but that doesn’t mean that I necessarily believe that the hospital acted properly in this case…

And you also think that my issue is entirely with with the reporter…

And that simply isn’t true…

The AG attorney is making representations that I believe are obviously misrepresentations, causing misunderstandings, possibly even by the reporter, however, unbeknownst…

Her accurate reporting is only as accurate as the representation of the AG attorney…

She may also have been misled by the AG attorney’s sensational statement about how much blood was lost by “both” Anna Nusslock, and Roe, “combined” and basically representing and or easily misunderstood, that Anna Nusslock had lost 3.5 litres of blood herself, not in combination with the blood that Roe had also lost…

Why the AG attorney would be combining the volume of blood lost by both patients Anna Nusslock, and the blood lost by Jane Roe, into a single representative amount, is beyond me, if it wasn’t for sensationalism and to unduly influence the judge, the jury, the reporters, and by extension, also the public…

That’s why I asked RHBB, the author, or whoever, if they have realized that the 3.5 litres of blood was not lost by either Nusslock or Roe, but that the AG attorney, had exaggerated the blood loss to a far, far,more serious insinuation, by attesting to the blood lost as a combined volume of 3.5 litres, as if it were for both of them, each, not both of them, in combination…

But none of her staff are willing to respond to whether or not they believed that Anna Nusslock lost 3.5 litres of blood, or of that was the combined blood lost be both Nusslock and Roe…

You see, if Ryan Hutson actually believed that Anna Nusslock personally lost 3.5 lures of blood just by herself, then clearly the AG attorney succeeded in his very obviously misleading statement that both Nusslock and Roe had lost 3.5 litres of blood in combination…

That is one of my concerns…

Only Ryan Hutson can answer it…

I believe that was an intentionally unethical misrepresentation of blood loss by Anna Nusslock alone, by the attorney generals attorney, especially considering that Judge Canning will also be adjudicating Nusslock’s civil trial against St Joe’s on December 22nd…

Think what you want…

If the Attorney General attorney has represented the blood loss of both Nusslock and Roe, in combination, there is no telling what each of their specific blood loss was, separately, but is likely being misunderstood by many listeners as 3.5 liters EACH, not 3.5 litres in combination…

And I find that unacceptably misleading, especially considering it’s information coming from and as (mis?)represented by a California Attorney Generals Office’s Attorney, and that is getting disseminated as such…

Timb0
Member
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

I doubt that you are right, but you sure are wordy.

Kris
Guest
Kris
7 months ago
Reply to  Timb0

She unleashed the kraken.. 😂

LOL…”The commenter seems to think their rant is intellectually serious, but actually it’s quite pretentious and risible”

Last edited 7 months ago
58LittleBear
Guest
58LittleBear
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Good grief. If you were hit by a car and lay bleeding in the street, I suppose you would expect bystanders to stand around until they had gauged you had lost enough blood to bother calling for an ambulance (“I understand males/females have an average of X liters of blood they can afford to lose and I’m not seein’ it”). [edit]

Resident
Guest
Resident
6 months ago
Reply to  58LittleBear

Lol this is funny. Let’s hope he gets the same compassion as he gives if he ever finds himself in a life or death crisis.

Karla
Guest
Karla
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

LOL, get a life!

Mel
Guest
Mel
7 months ago
Reply to  Karla

A liberal calling someone else pretentious is the funniest thing I’ve heard all day. Thank you, needed that.

Farce
Guest
Farce
7 months ago
Reply to  Karla

Excellent counterpoint! (And it kindles memories of old SNL “Jane you slut…”)

KatyDoes
Guest
KatyDoes
7 months ago

Good Lord! Procreation COULD be more selective…

Daniel
Guest
Daniel
7 months ago
Reply to  KatyDoes

What the hell is wrong with you?

Bill Hogoboom
Member
7 months ago
Reply to  KatyDoes

WTF does that even mean?

Guest
Guest
Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  Bill Hogoboom

I believe they mean that a lot of problems could have been avoided by a simple swallow

The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  Guest

A lot of problems could have also been avoided by a simply accepting the helicopter ride to UCSF, and her prepared and waiting highly trained team of high risk pregnancy specialists…

Some problems could also possibly been avoided by simply immediately accepting the ambulance transfer to Mad River Hospital that St Joe’s suggested…

The ambulance would have clearly and promptly communicated with Mad River Hospital, so that they could have been notified and as prepared and informed as possible for her imminent arrival…

Last edited 7 months ago
Timb0
Member
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Keep trolling. Eventually someone will agree with you.

Resident
Guest
Resident
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Or they could have just treated her! She could have hemorrhages on tbe way to the other hospitals which depending on traffic can take about 20 minutes.

58LittleBear
Guest
58LittleBear
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

I had to take an ambulance when I had my child and insurance didn’t cover it. It took a long time to pay off that and the many other uninsured things. Helicopters are way more expensive. Lots of people can’t afford that, and considering she was already IN a hospital, she shouldn’t have to.

The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  KatyDoes

She didn’t lose her babies because of the hospital’s anything that’s utter bullshit…

It’s libel even…

58LittleBear
Guest
58LittleBear
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

You lose credibility with every comment you make. I’m beginning to think you work for St Joseph’s.

Say what?
Guest
Say what?
7 months ago

Oh I’m so over religion effing everything up. These poor women in a life and death crisis turned away by uber religious freaks that have zero respect for life. Unless of course, you’re one of THEM. Despicable, vile, barbaric and evil, end the damned Catholic Church once and for all. This is just appalling. Pro-life my lovely ass!

Al L Ivesmatr
Guest
Al L Ivesmatr
7 months ago
Reply to  Say what?

Turn away from the Government Collective Flying Freebie Spaghetti Monster in the Sky Now! Government, pro life my arse!

Timb0
Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Say what?

Millions of us were ruined by the CC teachings.

The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago

“By the time each woman received treatment at other facilities, Hauska said, “both were suffering from serious hemorrhages and lost a combined three and a half liters of blood”—a potentially fatal amount.”

-‘RHBB’-

____________________________________________

“…lost a combined three and a half liters of blood…”…???

RHBB,

Specifically, how much blood did Nusslock lose …

And, specifically, how much blood did Roe lose…

And at what moment is considered to be, “…By the time each woman received treatment…”…???

By the time Nusslock was administered mifepristone at Mad River Hospital…???

Because that would be the point in time of first receiving “treatment” at Mad River Hospital, four hours before the D and C and the total loss of blood at Mad River Hospital…

From AI Overview

“Important note:”

“Bleeding and cramping are expected signs that the mifepristone treatment is working…

Blacktail Addict
Guest
Blacktail Addict
7 months ago

So what is Humboldt County gonna do when Providence decides St. Joe isn’t penciling out and shuts it’s doors? Just looking at this from the bottom line, do I ou think they’ll keep running when all their money goes to fines and legal fees?
Just a though.

KatyDoes
Guest
KatyDoes
7 months ago

St. Joe’s could refuse to treat anyone who isn’t of the Faith, recusing their maternity ward for those who are Pro Life.

Those who are Pro Choice would be forced to choose care at another facility for gynecological care.

They need to stop treating those without insurance, as well. Those of us with insurance shouldn’t have to subsidize those without. It keeps raising our premiums.

58LittleBear
Guest
58LittleBear
7 months ago
Reply to  KatyDoes

I pay taxes to help repair your streets while I have to repair my own. I’d like to stop contributing to yours.

I am a robot
Guest
I am a robot
7 months ago

If, as SJH contends, they DO perform emergency abortions under their policies, can they demonstrate that with actual statistics and records?

Guest1
Guest
Guest1
7 months ago

People really should stop referring to chiropractors at doctors, they are not doctors. I get it they have a doctorate in chiropractic, but chiropractic has been debunked over many studies and years. Calling a chiropractor a doctor lends credibility to a name which is misleading….. Also, I didn’t see mention of it but didn’t St. Joes attempt to fly the patient to UCSF and she refused? St. Joes should have treated her, but they also attempted to send her to a higher level of care urgently and she would not go. So she brought herself to Mad River.

Resident
Guest
Resident
7 months ago
Reply to  Guest1

She needed immediate care, that they absolutely had the resources to do so. Also, what the hell does her career title have anything to do with her story? Such an insensitive comment, that shows no sympathy for what she went through!

Zach Rotwein
Member
Zach Rotwein
7 months ago

One side opinion article
For what reason does a person go to a hospital that will not murder an unborn baby and hope they will murder it. ?

Korina42
Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Zach Rotwein

The babies were dying, there was no stopping that. The only question was, should the mother die too?

The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  Korina42

Your first statement is absolutely true ..

As far as your second sentence, that definitely wasn’t, “The only question…”

That’s totally bullshit…

One of the questions question was whether she would opt for a procedural abortion, or an induction, and “she opted for an induction…”

The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  Zach Rotwein

She didn’t opt for a procedural abortion while at St Joe’s…

She “…opted for an induction , so that she could labor, give birth to, and grieve her twins.”

An option that apparently wasn’t an option at St Joe’s…

The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  Zach Rotwein

Ah yes,

Finally an intelligent question..!!!

Was there method to their madness…???

I had wondered the exact same thing…

Don’t go to a seafood restaurant, and order steak…

Don’t go to a steak house, and order seafood…

She should have gone to UCSF, as soon as her water broke, considering such an early stage of gestation, or at least just as soon as prudently possible…

Not going on the helicopter, just because her husband couldn’t also be aboard, and/or due to uncertainty of insurance coverage, was a risky, ill advised choice…

ABA
Guest
ABA
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

You’re still not a doctor. Stop giving horseshit medical advice.

The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  ABA

What medical advice, exactly, would it be that you are accuse me of giving …???

I didn’t give any medical advice…

That’s horseshit…

You must not know the difference…

“Take a chill pill…”

See what I did there…???

(Now that’s sort of medical advice, but not really, because it’s just a saying…)

ABA
Guest
ABA
6 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

“she should have gone to UCSF, as soon as her water broke”

Apparently you don’t know what horseshit is either.

The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
6 months ago
Reply to  ABA

Google “State of California Nusslock/Roe, vs St Joseph’s Providence Hospital”, and you will find these results which link you to government lawsuit PDF’s which include Case Notes…

Roe’s case is especially eye opening…

Something exceptionally terrible happened at Open Door, during her second of three miscarriages, which I haven’t found mentioned anywhere else…

Shocking, actually…

Screenshot_20251217-151546
Last edited 6 months ago
The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
6 months ago
Reply to  ABA

Apparently my previous reply to you was deleted…

Suffice it to say, medical advice isn’t possible after the fact…

Opinion and critique, yes…

Medical advice…???

No…

Big difference between “she should have” and “she should”…

Simple…

Last edited 6 months ago
ABA
Guest
ABA
6 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Okay, fine. Your medical “opinion and critique” is horseshit.

Happy now?

58LittleBear
Guest
58LittleBear
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

I had to take my baby to UCSF for some treatments. I wish I had known you then so I could send you the bills.

Timb0
Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Zach Rotwein

Ask mom.

Resident
Guest
Resident
7 months ago
Reply to  Zach Rotwein

The babies were already dying, what is wrong with you? It wasn’t an elective abortion it was a miscarriage. I’m really disturbed by comments like this.

58LittleBear
Guest
58LittleBear
7 months ago
Reply to  Zach Rotwein

Why do you assume women who miscarry want to murder their babies? Have you ever miscarried?

Humboldt
Member
Humboldt
7 months ago

And those are the same SOBs that call themselves “pro life”.
It is pure bs.

Religion is the biggest harm to our planet.

Look at how many wars, today, are caused by religion.

My imaginary patriarch is the right one, etc.

Zach Rotwein
Member
Zach Rotwein
7 months ago
Reply to  Humboldt

Communist( officially Godless)have a lot more blood on their hands in the last 110 years than any Religious form of government in thousands of years

Last edited 7 months ago
58LittleBear
Guest
58LittleBear
7 months ago
Reply to  Zach Rotwein

Many people are neither religious nor communist. Hard to believe, I know.

The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago

What’s up with the “BULLHORN”…???

SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT…!!!

Karla
Guest
Karla
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Quite the misogynist isn’t he?

Resident
Guest
Resident
7 months ago

To anyone calling this “murder”: you clearly didn’t read the facts, or you don’t care. Dr. Nusslock wanted her babies. She was 15 weeks pregnant with twins, in the middle of a miscarriage, bleeding, and told by her doctors that the pregnancy wasn’t viable and she could die without emergency care. The hospital had the means to help her and refused. That’s not an “elective abortion.” That’s a woman being forced to suffer, physically, emotionally, and medically, because of a policy that prioritizes dogma over human life.

If your beliefs lead you to cheer for someone’s death or accuse a grieving mother of “murder,” then maybe take a long, hard look at what you’re actually worshipping. Because if there is a hell, it’s not for women like her, it’s for people who would rather see someone die than receive the care they need to survive.

The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  Resident

Are you saying that she didn’t want an emergency D and C abortion…???

There might be some truth to that…

Resident
Guest
Resident
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

She wanted her babies, it wasn’t an elective abortion, she was having a goddamn miscarriage what do you not understand about that?

The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  Resident

Wanting your babies and having a miscarriage is not compatible…

What do you not understand about that…???

There was no saving them, and she was unreasonably holding out hope, when the situation was clearly hopeless…

She wanted to deliver them, not have them surgically removed…

Big difference…

What do you not understand about what exactly she did consent to, and what exactly she didn’t consent to…???

She did not consent to what would have been the most immediate type of emergency intervention…

“In considering the two options for ending her pregnancy, Anna opted for an induction, so that she could labor and give birth to, and grieve her twins.”

Why was she dragging her feet…???

Why did she keep returning to St Joe’s, instead of going straight to UCSF…???

Her water broke on the 22nd, she had been having bleeding, pain and complications since the 16th, and had been in and out of the St Joe’s emergency room multiple times since the 16th…

Plenty of time and opportunity to have gotten to UCSF and her prepared and highly experienced team of specialists who awaited her arrival there…

Why not opt for an immediate D&E…???

“Medical guidelines…, …favor D&E due to it’s high effectiveness and low complication rates when performed by experienced providers”

“D&E is generally preferred as it is more predictable and involves less time compared to labor induction, which can take much longer”

-AI-

Last edited 7 months ago
Resident
Guest
Resident
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

[Edit by Kym]
This kind of cold, dismissive attitude is exactly why women die during pregnancy in this country. When someone is in the middle of a traumatic miscarriage, and you respond with “why didn’t she just get a D&E?”, you’re not offering insight. You’re showing a complete lack of empathy for what she was going through.
A D&E is an extremely invasive procedure. It involves dilation, surgical tools, and the removal of fetal remains. For someone grieving a wanted pregnancy, that’s not just a medical decision, it’s an emotional one. She didn’t want her babies removed like a problem to be solved. She wanted to deliver them, to hold them, to grieve them. That was her right.
She didn’t “drag her feet.” She kept going back to St. Joe’s because that’s her local hospital. Because she was in pain. Because she was scared. Because she had every reason to expect care. And instead, she was sent home again and again while her condition worsened. That’s not her failure. That’s the hospital’s.
Again, this wasn’t an abortion. This was a miscarriage. A wanted pregnancy. And your inability to grasp that distinction is not just ignorant, it’s dangerous.(the question mark was accidental) 🤨

58LittleBear
Guest
58LittleBear
7 months ago
Reply to  Resident

Very well said. Not that reason and compassion mean anything to some people because they think they will never be in a place where they need someone’s help and compassion. It’s pure selfishness.

58LittleBear
Guest
58LittleBear
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

So if she had “wanted to have them surgically removed” (which she did not until she knew the fetuses were dying and her life was in jeopardy) you would accuse her of being a heartless pro-abortion (sic) murderer. It sounds like you are looking for excuses to punish women, or at least this one. Are you the hospital’s attorney? I hope so.

58LittleBear
Guest
58LittleBear
6 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Are you saying that women who have miscarriages do not actually want their babies? Is that like women can only get pregnant from rape if they enjoyed it? Btw, I don’t know if anyone is still actually reading your diatribes about nonsense.

Resident
Guest
Resident
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

?

Last edited 7 months ago
The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  Resident

What…???

Suddenly you’re speechless…???

Perfect…!!!

I did my homework on this case…

Maybe you should have done yours…???

Last edited 7 months ago
Resident
Guest
Resident
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

All you did was make assumptions about a situation you still clearly don’t even understand. Bravo.

The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  Resident

What assumptions exactly do you allege…???

Clearly indicate them…

Resident
Guest
Resident
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

You’ve made false assumptions and clearly don’t understand the difference between a miscarriage and an abortion. Yet here you are, parading around on a self-righteous tirade, though I can’t tell if it’s ignorance, ego, or just plain contempt for women driving it. Most likely it is all the above.

The Real Guest
Guest
The Real Guest
7 months ago
Poking the bear,
Guest
Poking the bear,
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

When you end up in st Joe’s or redwood memorial you will understand. I have yet to see a hospital that is worse. And they have been that way for 20yrs.

Not stupid
Guest
Not stupid
7 months ago

“Religious” is a mental illness. Mentally ill should not be running a hospital, enuff said.

Christopher
Member
Christopher
7 months ago

Religion Poisons Everything.
It’s that simple.

Ben Round
Guest
Ben Round
7 months ago

One tragic aspect, unaddressed, is that on top of all the horrendous treatment Dr Nusslock endured, she lost her twin babies…….

Last edited 7 months ago
Poking the bear,
Guest
Poking the bear,
7 months ago
Reply to  Ben Round

What’s the bull that the hospital follows religious guide lines? THE STAFF at redwood memorial are having sex in the hospital. According to the catholics shouldn’t they be married? So they cam fornicate but can’t perform a abortion? Personally I am done with them. I have a nice university hospital 50 miles away.¹ and less then a quarter of the humbolst crime. Oh and real police that do real investigations. Humboldt is just to ghetto for me anymore.

Truth Be Told
Member
Truth Be Told
6 months ago
Reply to  Ben Round

And the relentless insensitivity of a certain prolific commenter to the human suffering involved is truly remarkable.

Humboldt healthcare hostage
Guest
Humboldt healthcare hostage
7 months ago

However does a death cult become a monopoly in regional healthcare?

Bozo
Guest
Bozo
7 months ago

IMHO: Meanwhile:

Dollar value of Tax Exemption by Catholic Hospitals.

Looks like its a pretty well-kept: SECRET.
Last data was in 2020 about $30 billion.

In 2022, the total value of federal, state, and local tax exemptions for all U.S. nonprofit hospitals (including religious ones) was estimated at $54.4 billion.
(This Involves other non-religous hospitals).

The guesstimated annual loss of revenue from religious institutions from federal and state income taxes, property taxes, investment taxes and a few others is no less than $71 billion (some estimates are billions higher), not including any municipal property and sales taxes.

Here’s a good web article on forms of discrimination by Catholic hospitals.

>’https://wlala.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Religious_Exemptions_KYR_-_W.pdf’

— My view… pretty much like the web site.

Hospitals that are open to the general public and receive government
funding should not be able to invoke religion to discriminate or deny basic
health care.

Capturefdgytuioujhk
KatyDoes
Guest
KatyDoes
7 months ago
Reply to  Bozo

That’s a false narrative. Non-profits and religious entities are EXEMPT from taxation. Since they are exempt, there is absolutely zero amount revenue that is lost, as, by design, no revenue would be expected.

Catholic hospitals DON’T discriminate. They adhere to their principals which predate the founding of the US and a lot of other countries.

Pregnant? Having complications? Not catholic or Pro Life?

Choose another health care facility or move to an area with a facility that conforms to YOUR needs. Scan the Constitution again. Health care is not delineated in the bill of rights. Nor is “reproductive care”.

Just because a Catholic hospital is one of the few options in a rural area, does NOT mean they have to conform to Leftist bullshit want lists. They built it. They operate it. And they make the rules.

Deal with it.

Allen
Guest
Allen
7 months ago
Reply to  KatyDoes

Deal with this.
The Bill of Rights does not list health care—or many other fundamental liberties we nonetheless recognize. That omission is not dispositive. The Constitution explicitly anticipates unenumerated rights. The Ninth Amendment states that the enumeration of certain rights “shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

Moreover, constitutional protection does not depend on labeling something “health care.” Courts have long protected decisions about bodily integrity, medical treatment, and family life under the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment (and earlier under the Fifth). Cases involving contraception, refusal of medical treatment, childbearing, and parental authority all rest on this principle.

In short, the Constitution does not require that every protected liberty be itemized in the Bill of Rights. The framers deliberately rejected that model, recognizing that liberty is broader than any finite list.
Gemini-

KatyDoes
Guest
KatyDoes
7 months ago
Reply to  Allen

Right. And the Supreme Court recently settled the mis-attributed due process clause in the Fourteenth amendment, pertaining to “right to abortion”.

The framers delineated our inalienable rights provided by the Creator. Any other rights will be allowable by the powers in control at the time, as they are granted by man and/ or a government. A government that can giveth, is a government that can taketh away.

Which is why the framers ensured we will always have our right to bear arms and protect ourselves from an over-zealous government or Political Ideology. (Like Communism, Socialism and Fascism… all those scourges upon humanity favored by the Left.)

Kris
Guest
Kris
7 months ago
Reply to  KatyDoes

You left out religious ideology which is what the debate is about.

KatyDoes
Guest
KatyDoes
7 months ago
Reply to  Kris

No. I didn’t. See my comment above this one you responded to.

58LittleBear
Guest
58LittleBear
6 months ago
Reply to  KatyDoes

I’m glad you brought up over-zealous government and political ideology since that’s what we have been seeing play out in extremity over the past few months.

Resident
Guest
Resident
7 months ago
Reply to  KatyDoes

Another kind individual. You’re making the world a better place one condescending statement at a time,and about women needing emergency mistreatment or else they die. True pillar of your community. 🙄

58LittleBear
Guest
58LittleBear
6 months ago
Reply to  KatyDoes

Do you think everyone can afford to just up and leave their homes to go some other place that has hospitals that do not illegally interfere with patients’ healthcare? It’s pretty easy for you to make decisions for other people isn’t it? Can they count on you to provide them the money to uproot their families and move away? How about we insist that hospitals that refuse to provide life saving healthcare to their patients move out and let a real hospital come in?

Mike Morgan
Member
6 months ago
Reply to  58LittleBear

There is no “right” to food, healthcare, or anything else that requires the labor of another person.

Slavery does not legally exist in America.

That said, St Joe offered one treatment which was refused.

If you refuse treatment, any hospital can legally drop you like a sack of broken hammers.

Of course, in California, this becomes abortion, not induction, and that’s more expensive and involved.

Let it play out in court. Watch the Catholic Church shut down the hospital.

58LittleBear
Guest
58LittleBear
6 months ago
Reply to  Mike Morgan

i don’t know that care was actually refused. She was told, in the middle of her medical emergency, they would not help her. I was in labor for days before having an emergency c-section and was so out of it by the time of the surgery that I could not make a rational decision by myself. Fortunately I had a mate to help me, which this woman apparently did not. People in this situation are vulnerable and can be taken advantage of.

Whatever the outcome of the lawsuit, it will apply to all the hospitals in the state. If Providence has a fit and closes St Joseph’s then I guess it will be getting out of the hospital business in California.

Bozo
Guest
Bozo
6 months ago
Reply to  KatyDoes

IMHO:

>”That’s a false narrative. Non-profits and religious entities are EXEMPT from taxation. Since they are exempt, there is absolutely zero amount revenue that is lost, as, by design, no revenue would be expected.”

You be kidding… YES ???

>”They built it. They operate it. And they make the rules. Deal with it.”

>”They adhere to their principals which predate the founding of the US and a lot of other countries.”

Well… you know what I say… ____ ’em.

Capturefgddfgsretrte
Mike Morgan
Member
6 months ago

What this adventuristic lawsuit will likely do is shut down St Joseph’s and then no one will get any care.

Last edited 6 months ago