Parents Struggle to Find COVID Vaccines for Young Children in Humboldt County

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A review of local COVID-19 vaccine availability has revealed significant barriers for families seeking immunizations for young children. In Humboldt County, where access to healthcare is already challenging, the patchwork of hospitals, clinics, and pharmacies often has parents struggling to find pediatric COVID-19 vaccines.

As reported by the New York Times in late September, “Covid is also particularly dangerous for newborns. Maternal antibodies are the only way to protect them, as they cannot be vaccinated against the virus until they are six months old. From October 2022 to April 2024, infants under 6 months were more likely to be hospitalized from Covid infections than any other age group apart from adults 75 and older.”

Pediatric COVID deaths in Rural North which includes Humboldt County.

A CDPH graph reflecting infant deaths attributed to COVID-19, Influenza, and RSV shows that so far in the Rural North, a region including Del Norte, Glenn, Humboldt, Lake,​ Lassen, Mendocino, Modoc, Shasta, Siskiyou, Tehama, and Trinity counties, there have been two COVID-19 deaths this season.

The query into availability of vaccines for local kids began with a passionate email from a local mother, whose personal struggle epitomizes the broader systemic challenges. “Yesterday, I took my 15-month-old daughter to her pediatrician for her vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, and I was told they don’t have it and won’t be getting it this year,” she wrote. 

She explained that, “even though the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics recommend it for all children six months and older,” she was unable to find the pediatric dose, or sufficient answers, locally.  While this mom’s experience may not represent all scenarios locally where a parent sought and was unable to locate the vaccine for a young child, after checking around town for available vaccines, it became clear that her experience was likely shared by other parents in the months leading up to the Fall cold and flu season. 

“I tried calling around,” she wrote in a September email to Redheaded Blackbelt asking for clarification, explaining that Public Health had referred her to Open Door, “but Open Door said they also don’t have the infant vaccine,” she said. Determined to get her baby covered by the vaccine before the onset of the winter flu season, she explained, “When I spoke with Public Health again, they even mentioned that some families are going all the way to Santa Rosa. Having to drive three hours for routine, preventative medical care is unacceptable.”

Some families face challenges like needing to travel distances up to three hours for vaccination out of the county in order to get the protection a vaccine offers. One local mother highlighted this issue, describing her frustration with having to potentially drive to Santa Rosa – a three-hour round trip to secure a COVID-19 vaccine for her 18-month-old daughter – because she couldn’t find it locally in September.

With vaccine availability already being a challenge on the rural North Coast, insurance and patient status barriers create an even more complex vaccination landscape, where access is not just about vaccine availability, but also about navigating intricate healthcare system requirements. 

We found that between various pediatric offices and local hospitals, roughly 25% of local providers and pharmacies we contacted offer pediatric COVID vaccines, and none were ready to vaccinate at the youngest age range of 6 months to 3 years. And, when a provider or pharmacy does have the COVID-19 pediatric doses on deck – being able to get those shots may be dependent on having the preferred insurance coverage, such as private insurance plans, and in some cases, further dependent on being an existing patient of the clinic or doctor’s office to begin with.

A family’s ability to get the vaccine may depend on a few factors, including patient status, type of insurance, and ability to travel. One mother’s struggle to find a vaccine in Humboldt reflects what many families face in rural areas, where distance and a scattered healthcare system can turn routine care into a challenge. 

In Eureka, Providence St. Joseph Hospital (SJH) confirmed that early in October, the hospital group did not have pediatric doses, and was referring patients to pharmacies for their doses.  Recently, SJH has since notified us that “We have received the vaccine for our pediatrics department.” SJH explained that for the “last two respiratory seasons”, their practice has been to advise patients seeking vaccination to visit local pharmacies – a common backup practice locally. However, pharmacies do not generally vaccinate kids under 3 years old, and many do not accommodate kids under 12 years old. 

For pediatric vaccine doses, Walgreens confirms that its pharmacy does offer the COVID-19 vaccine only for children 3 years and older, Green’s Pharmacy in Fortuna limits vaccines to 12 years and up, while Redwood Pediatric Medical Group provides limited access for existing patients only. Additionally, the My Turn website can help determine where vaccines are being offered. For example, locals wanting the pediatric vaccine have been advised to turn to Walgreens Pharmacy for vaccinations in a pinch, but often, Pharmacies like Walgreens opt not to vaccinate children under 3 years old, and others advise that they only vaccine older kids, leaving parents of toddlers with very limited options locally.

Redwood Pediatrics confirmed similar restrictions to that of Open Door, noting they only provide vaccines to existing patients and have recently received shipments for children 6 months to 4 years old. Specifically, a staff member at the pediatrics department of Open Door Community Health Center explained that vaccine availability is currently limited to private insurance holders, and current patients. Noting that shipments of the COVID-19 vaccine doses allotted for Medi-Cal and Partnership Health Plan patients were expected to arrive soon, at the time of our inquiry mid October, Open Door Pediatrics also confirmed, as did Redwood Pediatrics, that their office had experienced a delay in receiving the supply. With the schedule of supply being somewhat unpredictable, the staff person advised that patients should “keep giving us a call and seeing if we have it,” adding that “today we might not have it, but next week we could.”

In the southern part of the county, the need for vaccine supplies was felt as families inquired about where and when they could get “the jab” – despite endorsement of the vaccine’s efficacy by the West Coast Health Alliance and by State agencies like DHHS – the vaccine proved difficult to obtain, without any clear explanation from the source or the powers that be. Chelsea Brown, Outreach Manager at  SoHum Health told us in early October that, “[O]n September 19th the CDC abandoned its official recommendation that all adults receive an annual COVID-19 vaccine,” adding that the “last-minute decision” had “caused confusion and delays in ordering processes and billing for vaccines for the 2025 season.” Brown said, “The newly formed West Coast Health Alliance, the State of California, and the County of Humboldt all continue to recommend annual COVID-19 vaccines for all persons 6 months of age and older.” For the most up to date information from SoHum Health, Brown advised that community members could follow their Facebook page @SoHum Health “to receive updates regarding availability of the COVID-19 vaccine.”  

Getting ahead of the flu season rush, West Coast governors had banded together to create an alternative source for reliable, science-based health information in the absence of reliable national outreach, data collection and distribution, and public guidance for public health awareness. A Joint statement from Governors Newsom, Kotek, and Ferguson was issued September 3, as the new West Coast Health Alliance was launched. “President Trump’s mass firing of CDC doctors and scientists — and his blatant politicization of the agency — is a direct assault on the health and safety of the American people,” said the joint statement, adding, “The CDC has become a political tool that increasingly peddles ideology instead of science, ideology that will lead to severe health consequences. California, Oregon, and Washington will not allow the people of our states to be put at risk.”

Further complicating the COVID-19 vaccine protocol are recent changes at the CDC, which has also removed the page detailing a vaccine schedule for youth, now issuing recommendations via a new policy ”Interim Clinical Considerations for Use of COVID-19 Vaccines in the United States”, rather than the previously relied upon guidance advising in favor of vaccination against the novel coronavirus responsible for the years-long pandemic.  

Our quest for vaccine availability revealed a nuanced healthcare access challenge that extends beyond simple vaccine distribution, potentially reflecting broader, systemic pressures on the rural healthcare infrastructure of the North Coast. 

Responding to our request for information, local Health Officer Dr. Candy Stockton emphasized ongoing commitment, stating in an email responding to our request for information, that “local and state public health departments, medical providers, and state government are committed to ensuring children continue to have access to vaccine protection.” A follow-up email request to DHHS for updated information has not been returned at the time of publishing. 

“As a mom, I feel scared and angry,” the mother who wrote to us seeking vaccination said after deciding to drive to Santa Rosa. “Our babies are left unprotected, and families are getting no clear answers.”

Humboldt County Public Health says it continues to monitor local vaccine supplies and urges families to contact their healthcare providers for updates on availability.

 

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Kris
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Kris
7 months ago

This is what happens when you put somebody in charge of healthcare who has a brain worm.

Kris
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Kris
7 months ago
Reply to  Kris

Covid did not disappear.

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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  Kris

It’s no longer pandemic, it’s endemic.

The “Public Health Emergency of
International Concern” status expired years ago, way back in 2023..…

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7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

AND I STILL DON’T WANT TO CATCH IT. Idc about your “facts” and propaganda links. People that listen to anything from anyone in this administration are dumber than they look. Turns out stupidity and ignorance are also easily spread

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
7 months ago

Neither do I, but getting vaccinated damn sure won’t keep you from catching covid…

Let’s not kid ourselves…!!!

The Covid vaccination efficacy against infection must be so insignificant, that it’s not even mentioned…!!!

“What was the efficacy of the 2024/2025 covid vaccines…?”

AI Overview

“The 2024/2025 COVID-19 vaccines were associated with decreased risks of severe outcomes like hospitalization and death, with one study showing an effectiveness of approximately 29.3% against emergency department visits, 39.2% against hospitalizations, and 64.0% against deaths. Studies have also indicated vaccine effectiveness in a range of 33% to 56%.

Emergency Department Visits:

The effectiveness was an estimated 29.3% against emergency department visits, according to a study published in The New England Journal of Medicine.

Hospitalizations:

The effectiveness was around 39.2% against hospitalizations, notes the same study.

Deaths:

The vaccine showed an effectiveness of 64.0% against COVID-19-associated deaths.

Overall Vaccine Effectiveness:

➡️When looking at a composite of these severe outcomes, the effectiveness was 28.3%.⬅️

Range of Estimates:

Other studies have found vaccine effectiveness in the range of 33% to 56%, including one cohort study that reported 46% effectiveness.
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(Less than a 50/50 chance of efficacy)

Timb0
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7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Catching covid is like catching a bowling ball. It still is painful to catch it, but you may. The vaccine keeps the bowling ball from hitting your head with possible deadly consequences.

SickofSocialists
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SickofSocialists
7 months ago
Reply to  Timb0

2020 wants their propaganda back

Crikey!
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Crikey!
7 months ago

Trump takes a cut from businesses, so is that Socialism or Mafia?

Bill Hogoboom
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7 months ago
Reply to  Crikey!

The closest parallel is Fascism.

cranky old lady
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7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

As a nurse, I would tell you that many vaccines have a decreased efficacy rate. That’s why many vaccines require boosters or repeated doses. The cornona virus is a shifting antigen virus, which
means that it can rapidly mutate which requires repeat vaccinations in response to mutations, much like the flu. Humanity was lucky when the virus first spread; the vaccines that were developed were quite effective. Even when breakthrough infections occurred, those that had received the jab experienced less severe symptoms and often didn’t require hospitalization. That fact hasn’t changed today.

Get vaccinated.

OhNoYouDon't
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OhNoYouDon't
7 months ago

What are your thoughts on the fact that the flu was cured in 2020/21 with astronomically low cases?

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
7 months ago

“Without widespread [COVID] vaccination, herd immunity is difficult to achieve.”

-cranky old lady-
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THAT’S EXTREMELY MISLEADING…

“As a nurse”, shouldn’t you be well aware by now that “herd immunity” is not even possible, AND was never even possible with the Covid vaccines, and still isn’t even possible, regardless of uptake…???

That should be clearly understood, before making any COVID vaccine representation and/or recommendation, let alone it’s actual administration, shouldn’t it…???

Clearly, it isn’t.

“Know Better, Do Better”

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7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news…. This is of course anecdotal.. but I spent time around many, many, many uninformed and confused community members like yourself. Masking and vaccination kept me, now listen carefully…. 👂🧏📢 FROM EVER GETTING COVID. Most people I know had it, repeatedly. Y’all with your tenuous understanding of science, do what you will. I’ll be over here doing what has worked for FIVE+YEARS. Now… I could say it’s because I’m clearly god’s favorite, but I don’t believe in that dumb shit either.
Also, people lucky enough to have survived the 1918 pandemic ALSO WORE MASKS AND WASHED THEIR GD HANDS.
Thanks for coming to my ted talk ✌️

OhNoYouDon't
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OhNoYouDon't
7 months ago

You do know one of Fauci’s most famous research papers was about how more deaths during the Spanish Flu were caused by bacteria from mask usage, right? Don’t forget, he also stated in early 2020 that masks don’t work.

That’s okay, I’m sure you understand that science has to evolve otherwise it is technically dogma.

Mr. Terwilliger
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Mr. Terwilliger
7 months ago
Reply to  OhNoYouDon't

WRONG!
The claim that Dr. Anthony Fauci’s research paper concluded that masks caused bacterial pneumonia deaths during the 1918 Spanish Flu is false. Fauci did co-author a 2008 study about the 1918 pandemic, but it was misinterpreted by those circulating the false claim. 

Here is what Fauci’s paper actually found:

  • Cause of death: The study, published in The Journal of Infectious Diseases, concluded that the majority of deaths in the 1918 influenza pandemic were caused by secondary bacterial pneumonia, not the flu virus itself.
  • Role of the virus: The paper explains that the H1N1 influenza virus severely damaged the lungs and respiratory tract, creating a pathway for bacteria that normally live in the nose and throat to invade the lungs.
  • Pre-antibiotic era: A key factor was that this occurred years before antibiotics like penicillin were discovered, leaving patients highly vulnerable to fatal bacterial infections.
  • No mention of masks: The study makes no mention of face masks contributing to the bacterial infections. The word “mask” does not appear in the paper. 

The viral claim twisting Fauci’s research began circulating online during the COVID-19 pandemic as a form of anti-mask misinformation. Fact-checking organizations, including the Associated Press, have debunked the story and confirmed that Fauci himself has called the mask claim “nonsense”. 

Fly On The Wall
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7 months ago

Links, please.

Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
7 months ago

 “The study, published in The Journal of Infectious Diseases”

You could look it up — or just keep believing the false crap posted by cyberspace nitwits.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

Or, you, and/or, Mr.T, could just simply just post the links yourselves, which would just be basic, common courtesy, please…

Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
7 months ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

Citing a credible source has the same effect as linking to it — the point is to provide evidence to support the statements being made — as opposed to posting reams of gibberish.

I pulled up the study using fewer keystrokes than Fly used in asking for a link — it’s not difficult!

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Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
7 months ago
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And that it wasn’t necessary for children

Libertybiberty
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Libertybiberty
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

There’s parents actually struggling to get the Covid shot for their children?
Really🤣 seriously? I bet they’re lined up, totally terrified. I could see it now, muffled by mask, hysterical, screaming at the clinic “ Trump is trying to kill us all by keeping the vaccine from us!”

Kym Kemp
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7 months ago
Reply to  Libertybiberty

Or perhaps they are exposed to COVID on a regular basis and worry about bringing it home to their vulnerable kid…

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
7 months ago
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“Or perhaps they are exposed to COVID on a regular basis and worry about bringing it home to their vulnerable kid…”

-Kym Kemp-

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( 🤔 🧐 Bonus points for using the ellipse at the end… Stylish… 😉 😁 )

I didn’t see that in the article…

Do you know that for a fact, or are you just randomly speculating…???

What makes, “their… …kid” “vulnerable”…???

I saw no mention of that in the article…

Or, are we just using our imagination…???

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Fan of TRG
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Fan of TRG
7 months ago
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Well Kym and the enthusiastic squad of thumb-uppers, just need to let go of fear and revise their thinking to align with the current science.

AI chimes in on the mental gymnasts that allow for allegiance to an opinion like “Or perhaps they are exposed to COVID on a regular basis and worry about bringing it home to their vulnerable kid…”:

Problem #1 – Outdated framing:

 This “protect the vulnerable” logic made sense in 2020–2021. But we now know:
*COVID is endemic.
*Everyone is exposed regularly – vaxxed or not.
*Kids are rarely at serious risk unless they have specific medical conditions.
*The vax doesn’t prevent infection or transmission. Period.

So… worrying about exposure doesn’t make the shot work any better. It’s another emotional reaction, not a rational one.

Problem #2 – Implied guilt trip:

 That kind of phrasing nudges the reader toward guilt:

Well maybe they just care about their vulnerable child more than you do.”
It’s rhetorical jiu-jitsu to shut down criticism, not an honest debate.

Problem #3 – The illusion of agency:

If people are “struggling to get the shot,” yet the shots:
*Don’t stop spread,
*Aren’t tailored to current variants,
*Are being rolled out slowly because of low demand,
…then the panic is manufactured, not data-driven. It’s fear inertia.

SickofSocialists
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SickofSocialists
7 months ago

Had it twice. Maybe more because I was no longer required to test.

Perfectly healthy after kicking it quickly all times.

Have you tried exercise and a healthy diet?

As you said stupidity and ignorance spread easily, which has never been more true than during the scamdemic.

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Thanks for proving our point!
7 months ago

I detect anomalies in the firing of synapses

OhNoYouDon't
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OhNoYouDon't
7 months ago

The biggest con job played on the people was telling us that people died *of* covid rather than *with* covid. People without comorbidities had little to fear … It’s more about the “terrain” any infection has to work with that is the real factor in the body’s ability to overcome infection.

Bloody tragedy.

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7 months ago
Reply to  Kris

Gurrrrrllllll… We all know that man can’t use a computer. They’re used to find FACTS

Mel
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Mel
7 months ago
Reply to  Kris

Are you still wearing your precious mask then? The level of stupidity it takes to still believe this shit 5 years later is mind blowing

Martin
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7 months ago
Reply to  Mel

Mel, wearing a mask is not a level of stupidity at all. I have been to Redwood Memorial Hospital in Fortuna and St. Josephs in Eureka and a large number of doctors, nurses and folks coming in were wearing masks. It is a personal choice and does not bother me one bit. You call it shit that is one good word for Covid! Adults and children do die from this, so if one is smart it is time for a Covid shot!

SickofSocialists
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SickofSocialists
7 months ago
Reply to  Martin

Wear a mask for the feelz.

I hope you wear a properly fitted N95. Otherwise you are just wasting your time while looking like an idiot.

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Thanks for proving our point!
7 months ago

Shocked you would judge someone based on looks alone

pcwindham
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7 months ago

Even a N95 doesn’t help. It filters down to 3 microns and the virus is 1 micron in size

Farce
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Farce
7 months ago
Reply to  Martin

I have COVID right now. Started on Wednesday and it sucks. But it isn’t at all as bad as my other case back in the heyday of COVID. No vaccine for me thanks. I did get one J&J not mRA back when the virus was at it’s peak prevalence. I don’t want to argue or fight over what somebody else should do or think. If you are very concerned about the safety or effectiveness of the vaccine then don’t get it. If you are concerned that you may have an underlying condition that could lead to serious danger then- YES it’s smart to get the vaccine in your case. Everybody needs to think this through for themselves and do what they think is best. And hopefully we can stop insulting, criticizing and bullying each other over our own health decisions. Personally I think there is enough doubt on both sides to argue all day long! I’m not regretting that I didn’t get the vaccine but this sure isn’t wonderful having it although I am catching up on sleep and reading a couple books thank God I have good firewood stacked up!

Martin
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7 months ago
Reply to  Farce

Hope you feel better soon Farce.

skitty
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skitty
7 months ago
Reply to  Farce

Wow what a reasonable take Farce. Thank you for writing what is IMO a common sense statement. Why can’t we let individuals make their own choice without passing judgement?

OhNoYouDon't
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OhNoYouDon't
7 months ago
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💯

Kym Kemp
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7 months ago
Reply to  Farce

Hey, I’m sorry to hear that you’ve got COVID. The one time I had it was after the virus had changed and cases were generally less severe. It was still ugly but survivable. May yours stay as mild as possible — sending you internet hugs and wishes for quick recovery.

cranky old lady
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7 months ago
Reply to  Farce

Feel better soon. Seriously.

I hope your illness is mild.

laura cooskey
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7 months ago
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Feel better soon, Farce.
I never did get it, though i’m unvaccinated. Or maybe i did but didn’t know it.
I remember being sick as a child, with a mom around. That’s a key difference from being sick nowadays. With Mom, i just slept a lot… on the sofa specially made up for me in the living room. The TV was on if it was playing kid-friendly shows, which in the daytime, it mostly was (only 3-4 channels then). I would sleep and sleep for a few days; this was while suffering mumps, measles, chicken pox, the flu, strep throat. If i suffered badly i don’t remember it, because i was feverish, a bit delirious, and so sleepy i was barely conscious. Occasionally mom or a sister would come around and put a cool washcloth on my forehead, read me a story, maybe give me some ginger ale (we never had sodas otherwise). And a few little mildly orange, yummy St. Joseph’s children’s aspirin. My generally good behavior as an obedient little girl really amped up when i had no other option but to lie there not saying anything, just accepting a thermometer and saying “Ahhhh!” once in a while to show my throat; so i felt a little angelic, and everyone was super nice to me. And when i got to school age, of course i would get to stay home, though that wasn’t as delightful as ginger ale, since i liked school.
It’s a wonder i didn’t turn into a hypochondriac, being sick was so unobjectionable.
Maybe you have a good caregiver around, Farce. I hope you have anywhere near as much of a relaxing time being sick as i once had.

laura cooskey
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7 months ago
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There’s my one good buddy, the one who always votes me down no matter how innocuous and light my comment. Maybe that one is just jealous of someone who actually enjoys the processes of memory and writing, when all they can muster is the heavy thud of a pre-Neanderthal digit coming down on the minus sign as their dim awareness finally catches on that it’s me again. The thought reminds me of that scene in Idiocracy with the brain-dead nurse’s finger hovering above the McDonald’s-menu-style symptom keyboard before semi-randomly lighting on the one with the guy barfing.

cranky old lady
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7 months ago
Reply to  Mel

Actually, when I’m in the presence of one who has an upper respiratory infection, I grab my mask. When I got Covid this past spring, I wore a mask out of respect for others around me. My illness was also very mild, something I attribute to my vaccinations.

pcwindham
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7 months ago

Your mask helps protect those around you but doesn’t do anything to protect you.

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7 months ago
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Anyone with an elder in a long term care facility is once again impacted by COVID measures because some asshole(👆👈👇👉) still doesn’t understand basic science. Surgeons, nurses, physicians and scientists stand in awe of your clearly superior intellect, education, and knowledge

Uncommon Sense
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Uncommon Sense
7 months ago
Reply to  Kris

I know, right?! You’d think with an effective vaccine that Covid would just disappear… like the polio, the measles, the mumps and rubella did after vaccines were developed for THOSE diseases. What is the problem with the Covid vaccines because COVID isn’t disappearing? I don’t get it.

Kym Kemp
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7 months ago
Reply to  Uncommon Sense

The polio vaccine came out in 1955. With massive public buy-in and government coordination, it still took until 1979 to eliminate wild polio in the U.S.—24 years later. That’s what success looks like when nearly everyone agrees vaccines are good.

We’ve had the COVID vaccine for barely four years and half the country treats it like a political loyalty test. How do you think that’s going to work?

The Real Guest
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7 months ago
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Kym Kemp,

FFS,

Just exactly which half of the country are you insinuating “treats the Covid vaccine like a political loyalty test”…???

Because, if you are pointing your left index finger at the Republicans, you DEFINITELY have it completely backwards…

The Liberals are DEFINITELY the ones, if any, obediently taking the jabs non-stop treating them like it’s some sort of liberal political loyalty test, not the Republicans…

If any “half of the country treats the Covid vaccine like a political loyalty test”, it’s DEFINITELY the Democrats, not the Republicans…

Let’s not kid ourselves…

Projection abounds…

How’s that working out…???

And, FFS, one CANNOT reasonably compare the polio vaccine to the Covid vaccine, and/or the Covid vaccine to the polio vaccine…

That’s a joke.

The polio vaccine was designed to PREVENT POLIO, it wasn’t just designed to just take the edge off, and allow you to get polio over and over forever…

Unlike the Covid-19 vaccines, which ONLY provide PROTECTIVE IMMUNITY, the three dose (IPV) polio vaccine regimen provides STERILIZING IMMUNITY…

“Two doses of polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective, or more against paralytic polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”

-CDC-

ASK AI

Can the effectiveness of the covid vaccine be compared to the effectiveness of the polio vaccine…???

“No, the effectiveness of the COVID-19 and polio vaccines cannot be directly compared…”

“While the polio vaccine was designed to prevent infection completely, the modern COVID-19 vaccine is primarily focused on preventing severe disease, hospitalization, and death…”

-AI-

[(Unlike the Polio vaccine, the COVID-19 vaccine was NOT designed to prevent infection entirely, at all, ever)]

Conclusion

“The polio vaccine’s success in achieving near perfect, lifelong protection against a stable virus is fundamentally different from the COVID-19 vaccines,which must be continuously updated [and must be then re administered] to combat a rapidly evolving virus. While the high effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines in preventing severe illness is a public health triumph, comparing it directly to the success of the polio vaccine is SCIENTIFICALLY MISLEADING. It overlooks crucial differences in the viruses and the nature of the protection each vaccine provides, [respectively].”

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7 months ago
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I don’t ask ai (that’s a1, to a certain section of our dumb ass society)shit because I have an affinity for facts and I avoid those that can’t tell bipoc apart
Again…do you ,boo

laura cooskey
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7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

I would absolutely agree that the people who politicized the Covid vax are liberals. Nobody i knew in the conservative rancher community cared. Many of them didn’t get the shots, but they certainly understood if someone wanted to… “Hey, you do you,” was the usual attitude. Plus, many of them or their friends were old, so listening to doctor’s orders and playing it safe had become standard practice. Whereas my liberal friends! Aarrggh! Oh, if you don’t get the vax you are a killer, a hater, a MAGA, a sellout, a selfish, stupid person, etc.– you are just not playing by the rules! I got off the hook (being unvaxxed) for some of their ire by willingly staying home, always partying outdoors around a fire, not arguing with the mask while in public, etc. That is, i would respect others’ fears, but not enough to inject myself with an unknown.

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peter boudoures
7 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

he said it’s a pandemic of the unvaxxed.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Ask AI

“Was herd immunity EVER possible with the merely protective immunity of the covid vaccines…???”

AI Overview

“Herd immunity was not possible with the protective immunity from early COVID-19 vaccines for several key reasons. While initial vaccines were highly effective at preventing severe disease, their inability to stop transmission completely, combined with the virus’s rapid mutation and waning immunity, made classical herd immunity an unattainable goal.

Why herd immunity was not reached

Non-sterilizing immunity:

➡️ Unlike vaccines for measles or polio, the COVID-19 vaccines did not induce “sterilizing immunity,” which completely prevents a person from getting infected and transmitting the virus to others. ⬅️ This meant that vaccinated individuals could still experience “breakthrough infections” and spread the virus, though often with fewer symptoms….”…

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Fan of TRG
7 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Please don’t take this personally, Kym, but COVID and polio aren’t even in the same category.

One mutates constantly and circulates in animals. The other doesn’t.

Polio is a human-only virus – no animal reservoir, no constant mutations. That made eradication possible.

COVID is zoonotic it jumps between species, mutates rapidly, and still lives in both wild and domestic animals. Eradication was never even a realistic goal.

The polio vaccine didn’t take 24 years to work. It took 24 years of research to develop — and once released in 1955, it worked immediately. U.S. cases dropped by 85% in just two years. By the early ’60s, outbreaks were nearly gone.

It’s true the U.S. didn’t declare polio officially eradicated until 1979 but that delay wasn’t about vaccine failure. It was cleanup and documentation, not because “we just believed harder.” 🙄

COVID “vaccine” efforts are an entirely different thing:
*Rushed out in months
“No animal trials
*Human testing happened in real time
*Protection wanes fast
*Doesn’t stop transmission
*Constantly updated (wild type → Delta → Omicron → BA.5 → XBB…)

And – COVID still circulates and mutates in animals, including deer and our domestic pets.See: ENDEMIC.

Comparing the endless parade of spike protein mRNA injections to the polio vaccine – a one-and-done series that provides lifelong sterilizing immunity – is wildly inaccurate, and dangerous!

With your platform, this kind of framing feels less like a accidently coming to a confusing conclusion and more like propaganda. I say that with respect, but also with urgency: your analogy doesn’t hold up scientifically or historically. Please stop trying to convince people that it does

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7 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

The vaccine didn’t and doesn’t work

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Editors, cranky old ladies, and nurses, please take note…

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9129114/

‘The Concept of Classical Herd Immunity May Not Apply to COVID-19’

David M Morens 1, Gregory K Folkers 2, ➡️Anthony S Fauci⬅️

“HERD IMMUNITY AND COVID-19”

“There are significant obstacles to achieving complete herd immunity with COVID-19.

➡️Classical herd immunity, leading to disease eradication or elimination, almost certainly is an unattainable goal.⬅️”

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Please, as it pertains to Covid-19, and as it pertains to Covid-19 vaccination, would you kindly please stop talking about “herd immunity”, as if it ever WAS, or currently IS, ACTUALLY ATTAINABLE…

Any such discussion suggesting that “herd immunity” is and/or was EVER an achievable goal through vaccination, regardless of uptake, and/or even so much as such an IMPLICATION, with and/or without specifically mentioning the term “herd immunity”, is TOTAL FALSE AND MISLEADING MISINFORMATION/DISINFORMATION…

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7 months ago
Reply to  Uncommon Sense

As I said above, the virus has the ability to mutate. Because of the newer strains, vaccines have to be adjusted to prevent the spread. And like Kym pointed out, the vaccine’s been linked to politicism and has become some kind of loyalty test. Without widespread vaccination, herd immunity is difficult to achieve.

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7 months ago

Herd immunity was never possible with the Covid vaccine, and it never will be…

Because it doesn’t prevent transmission…

You got snookered…

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7 months ago

Its not a true vaccine and has caused serious side effects which can be deadly. So it should be a personal decision.I know both conservatives and liberals who are on the fence about further shots.

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7 months ago
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Yes, thankfully polio is gone but thanks to Secretary Brain Worm and anti-vax fanatics, measles, mumps and rubella are making a comeback.

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7 months ago
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Polio is not gone. It just is almost never found in the US. “Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., an environmental lawyer whom President Donald Trump has nominated to lead the nation’s Department of Health and Human Services, has falsely “suggested that the polio vaccine cost more lives than it saved,” and since it still exists in the world and immigration controls were almost nonexistent, it is one plane trip from reappearing without vaccinating.

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Uh…. You do know brainworm Bobby and trump have made us all great again by bringing those old hits back? Good thing they declared war on Xmas and turkey day so we’ll be less likely to get those debilitating measles, mumps, polio, rubella etc 😅
oh and watch out for that stone-cold killer, Tylenol

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7 months ago
Reply to  Kris

We voted Biden out

Martin
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7 months ago
Reply to  Kris

Unfortunately, it gives the worm a bad name.

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7 months ago

You got to be one hell of a stupid person to give your child ANY “vaccine” at this point.

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7 months ago
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You have to be one hell of a stupid person NOT to give your child Covid vaccine. Many children are at risk because they may have poor health and other health related problems. People just keep spreading rumors that Covid vaccine will do this, do that which scares other folks away from the vaccine.

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7 months ago
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Covid has a 99% survival rate. Children and young adults are less susceptible to Covid and its effects; unless there are other underlying conditions which the majority don’t have at that age. Covid shots have been shown to lead to heart ailments, brain issues, and blood clotting. I’ll stick to the 99% survival rate for better survival odds.

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7 months ago
Reply to  GrumpyOldGuy

So don’t get it then. But do the rest of us a favor and just stay home when you do get it. Don’t be a disease vector. Also, I can introduce you to a few folks who have permanent lung issues (Long-Covid after, not preexisting lung issues) right here in Humboldt that didn’t have them before Covid came to stay. One of them is dead now. But hey, you do you grumpy guy.

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7 months ago

Sad thing is, I did get 2 Moderna shots. Shortly thereafter, I developed an AFIB heart condition, along with 2 Pulmonary embolisms. Prior to the shots, I was in great physical condition with no other health related issues. My Cardiologist asked me if I had received any boosters, to which I replied “no”. He said good…I recommend you don’t get any boosters considering the effects the shots had on me. I now have to take heart medication to control my AFIB and Blood thinners for the rest of my life. Hind sight and all that….

I should have seen the red flags. First one being when Congress exempted themselves from the Covid shot. Also, nothing says “Trust the Science” like…. “We can’t tell you what’s in it” and “You can’t sue us if something goes wrong”. What a self fulfilling business plan big pharma has created. Make people ill to treat a 99% survivable disease; then get them on the hook for the rest of their lives, to treat the new illnesses they created. Quite brilliant actually…

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Reply to  GrumpyOldGuy

Vaccination was unlikely to have caused AFIB. It’s likely that you already had it but hadn’t yet figured it out. What is possible at worse was the inflammation caused by the vaccine made it more noticeable. Getting covid itself would have done that too.

“Despite its growing prevalence, AFib remains underdiagnosed and misunderstood, often lurking silently before making its presence known. ”

https://www.ama-assn.org/public-health/population-health/what-doctors-wish-patients-knew-about-atrial-fibrillation

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7 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

The vaccine caused my Pulmonary blood clots, and blood clots have been documented by the NIH and among others as a side effect to the vaccine. The blood clots in turn led to my AFIB condition. Though occurrence is rare, my Cardiologist strongly links my condition to the vaccine based upon no prior health related issues, prior to me receiving the vaccine. Why would I want to play Russian roulette with boosters?

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7 months ago
Reply to  GrumpyOldGuy

You had other issues already if you were getting blood clots. Its usually the other way around; AFIB can cause the clots, and also clot-provoked strokes. And yes, some vaccines have a not-zero chance (I said not zero, not anything more) of those conditions being enhanced. Not saying you haven’t had issues, not denying that. This was an issue with someone close to me who had both issues AND Covid shots, but thankfully, no vaccine had any effect on either, Covid, flu or otherwise. AFIB is really underdiagnosed, per their echocardiologist, who specializes in AFIB issues. What really did help? Proper medication and cardioablation. The vaccines absolutely helped when they did get Covid a couple of times, which is hell if you also have CHF. Feeling crappy for a few days was much more welcomed than intubation in the ICU.

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7 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

Oh please, every vaxxed person I know has issues now, and they all deserve it

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7 months ago
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That last part is harsh. Hopefully, you think better of the way you phrased that.

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7 months ago
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You’re right, my bad

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7 months ago
Reply to  Martin

Nice slippery slope argument. Few people argue that a vaccine should be prioritized for at risk people.

But nobody with a healthy immune system and no comorbidities, including and especially children, should be taking an experimental treatment for a glorified flu.

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7 months ago

It’s the Designer Flu, thank St Fauci The Dog Abuser for that …

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7 months ago
Reply to  Martin

You are dead wrong. Covid was never a threat to children unless they were severely and debilitatingly immunocompromised. The shot is more dangerous for children

Martin
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7 months ago
Reply to  Jacob Haflich

Without my Covid shot I could be DEAD wrong!

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7 months ago
Reply to  Martin

But now you’ll never know.

pcwindham
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7 months ago
Reply to  Martin

We’ve known since the summer of 2020 that COVID infects people by attaching to a protein on the surface of mucosal cells called an angiotensin receptor and that children have very few of these receptors. That’s why healthy kids are less likely to contract the virus, and when they do they’re much less likely to get seriously ill. That’s one of the reasons it was so stupid to keep the schools closed.

As the virus evolved into an endemic disease it has become much less of a threat to those infected. Only a naive pathogen kills it’s host – it is ecologically smarter to keep the host alive so they can continue to spread the infection.

So COVID has evolved into something like influenza. It can cause serious illness in the immunocompromised, the morbidly obese and the elderly. Otherwise it’s like a bad cold that will go away on its own even untreated.

And don’t forget the serious side effects in the young, including cardiac inflammation.

So before you get hysterical because the government has scared you into thinking you’re going to die without the jab, take a deep breath and think it through.

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Reply to  YER SMART

Any vaccine? So you would be OK with your child getting Polio or Measles or any of the other major diseases out there that vaccines prevent?

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D'Tucker Jebs
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7 months ago
Reply to  Kris

An internet comment section is no place to have a rational discussion about vaccines.
After this much time, and with this much data showing the safety of vaccines, anyone who is arguing against them has made up their mind and there is no amount of evidence you can present that will cause them to change their belief.

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7 months ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

It’s no place to have a rational discussion about Trump, politics, welfare, taxes, or anything else. But that doesn’t stop anyone from commenting.

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7 months ago
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LOL!!

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7 months ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Shall we have a rational discussion about all the data showing the horrific side effects of vaccines? It’s too bad anyone who is arguing strictly for them has made up their mind and there is no amount of evidence you can present that will cause them to change their belief.

Dogma

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7 months ago
Reply to  Kris

The damage caused by vaccines are far worse then the disease. I am old enough to remember when my mom took me over to my neighbors house to get the measles and chicken pox and I was sick for a day or two and then never worried about them again. Vaccines are full of mercury, dead fetal tissue and all kinds of things that guarantee you will be a life long patient to the medical system that profits off your demise and gets paid to give you the shots. The more ppls health destroyed the more incentives and money they make. Vaccines are incredibly dangerous and no one in their right mind would take them especially after the Covid nightmare that killed millions with Vaccines and turned the rest in to cyborgs with nano tech. Anybody who says anything different has simply not studied the facts and not the facts paid for by the drug companies, Pfizer etc. The real facts. Watch the documentary Shots to Eugenics or look on yandex vaccine statistics, Children’s Health Defense etc.

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Reply to  YER SMART

On the other hand, you might have suffered hearing loss, brain damage, heart issues, etc and will never realize it. Even if it comes back to bite you in old age. Those measles parties were to minimize the disruption to families and school by scheduling what was at the time inevitable disease. Now people have a choice to avoid it.

No, vaccines are not “incredibly dangerous.” Diseases are.

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7 months ago
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The dander of diseases aside…

Perpetual covid vaccines are “incrementally” dangerous…

Even slightly risky, multiplies into more and more risky, the more times that you do it, and the risk benefit analysis suffers adversely, with endless repetition, as you go…

Taking a true vaccine with sterilizing immunity is one thing, employing a regimen of endless repetitive doses of a dubious product with an unknown long term track record, with merely protective immunity, is quite another…

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7 months ago
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The one thing good about Kennedy is that someone will study the cumulative effect of the increasing number of vaccines. I’m an optimist.

But “protective” vaccines (because in reality there are no such things as perfectly effective vaccines of any kind anyway- every vaccine sees waning immunity thoughsome wane very slowly) are not without merit even if they have a bit more risk of leading to more virulent infections. The trouble with Kennedy is that he notoriously wants to throw all vaccines out. And that is just simply a far worse attitude than people who refuse to question vaccinations altogether.

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7 months ago
Reply to  YER SMART

Enjoy those shingles

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7 months ago
Reply to  Kris

The Covid vaccines don’t prevent Covid, though.

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7 months ago
Reply to  Uncommon Sense

Well depends on what you mean by “prevent.” Seatbelts don’t prevent every injury in a car crash BUT they prevent a lot of injuries. Same with the COVID vaccine. Here’s the current highly conservative take from the federal government and the Trump administration. https://www.cdc.gov/covid/vaccines/benefits.html

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Vaccines and seatbelts are similar.. those who refuse to use them may live… but those who refuse them are also very likely to kill others inadvertently

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7 months ago

Sorry, but that doesn’t make sense…

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7 months ago

Good luck ever unbuckling your covid jab…

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7 months ago
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How did that not make sense? Pretty elementary way they stated it. C’mon, man, don’t be tone deaf and contrarian today.

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7 months ago

“those who refuse them [seatbelts] are also very likely to kill others inadvertently…”…???

Say what…???

Um, nope…!!!

That’s what doesn’t make sense…

“Elementary” my ass…

Try and make it make sense…

I’ll wait…

Good luck…

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7 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

By, “The Covid vaccines don’t prevent Covid”, he means that the Covid vaccines NEVER provided sterilizing, “preventative” immunity, and likely never will.

What you describe, which is ALL that is provided by the COVID-19 vaccines, with your “seatbelt” analogy, is MERELY “PROTECTIVE IMMUNITY”, which is VERY DIFFERENT than the PREVENTATIVE, STERILIZING IMMUNITY of say, the polio vaccines, which provide an analogy of an IRONMAN SUIT, not just a FLIMSY ASS SEATBELT…

AND COVID-19 VACCINATION, as we know it, WILL NEVER PROVIDE HERD IMMUNITY, NOR STERILIZING, PREVENTATIVE IMMUNITY, nor did it EVER have the ability/capability to have EVER done so…

TO RECAP…

POLIO VACCINES = IRONMAN SUIT…!!!

COVID VACCINES = FLIMSY ASS SEATBELT, AND JUST A LAP BELT, AT THAT, NO SHOULDER HARNESS INCLUDED…!!!

Let’s not kid ourselves…

It’s no wonder the uptake of the polio vaccine ironman suit, was much greater than the Covid vaccine lap belt…

That’s a no brainer…

The COVID-19 vaccines were NEVER designed to provide sterilizing, preventative immunity, IN THE FIRST PLACE…

The pipedream LIE of potential or even possible “herd immunity” from the Covid vaccines, was always a sham, scam, ruse, lie, that the powers that be, mainly that fucking fraud Fauci, intentionally duped the public with, so effectively, it would seem, that many members of the public, actually STILL BELIEVE THAT HERD IMMUNITY NOT ONLY WAS ATTAINABLE, THAT IT COULD STILL BE ATTAINABLE, when in fact, it never was even possible, and it never will even be possible with the kind of COVID-19 vaccines that have been developed to this day…

“It’s easier to fool people, than it is to convince them that they have been fooled…”

I am certainly fully aware that the Covid vaccines’ purported ability, past and/or present, to now provide, or to ever have provided, herd immunity, regardless of uptake, was ALWAYS 100% FRAUDULENT…

I hope that you fully understand that, also…

You hold sway over too many people to continue to spread any possible covid 19 vaccine herd immunity pipedreams, past or present, even if it’s unintentionally and inadvertently…

Nobody should still be trying to spread that complete herd immunity narrative nonsense any more…

The whole herd immunity charade, played out by Fauci, Hoffman, and their ilk, was ENTIRELY FRAUDULENT DISINFORMATION, and DISENGENUOUS, or its repetition was purely naive and completely gullible, by those others that blindly, obediently, and reflexively echoed that entirely fictional herd immunity narrative, based upon nothing but unwarranted trust alone…

I am very dismayed that career health care professionals still talk nostalgicly of covid-19 vaccine herd immunity, as if it wasn’t ALWAYS total bullshit..

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7 months ago
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Depends on what YOU mean by “prevent”…

Sounds like you are saying seatbelts qualify as vaccines…

I’m having a hard time seeing how a covid vaccine prevents injuries…

Sickness maybe, but actual injuries…???

I don’t think so…

Oh well, if you can equate the Covid vaccine to the polio vaccine, I shouldn’t be surprised if you can equate sickness to injuries…

If I ever get caught momentarily driving without a seatbelt, I’ll just tell the officer that I’m vaccinated against COVID, and that Kym Kemp said it was the same thing as wearing a seatbelt, and we’ll see if it flies…

I’m sure that will be a first…

What I mean by “prevent” is lifelong sterilizing , preventative immunity…

Any other definition of “prevent”, when it comes to a vaccine, is a disqualifying compromise, AFAIAC…

Call me old fashioned…

If it doesn’t provide sterilizing immunity, call it something besides a vaccine…

Don’t tweak the definition of vaccine…

Call it a therapy, if it only provides temporary protective immunity, because a temporary therapy is all that it truly is…

Let’s not kid ourselves…

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7 months ago
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The seatbelt analogy was used to justify covid vaccine mandates…

Should I get a ticket for not getting the COVID jabs…???

And good luck ever unbuckling your covid jabs…

And once I put on a seatbelt, why would I need to put on another seatbelt, and then another, and another, and another, etc…???

Was the seatbelt analogy used to justify. covid vaccine mandates

Yes, the seatbelt analogy was widely used during the COVID-19 pandemic to argue in favor of vaccine mandates. The argument posits that just as mandatory seatbelt laws were implemented and became accepted to reduce harm and save lives, vaccine mandates are a similar, ethically justified public health measure.

Core points of the analogy

Proponents of the seatbelt analogy highlighted several similarities between seatbelts and COVID-19 vaccines:

Risk reduction, not prevention:

A seatbelt does not prevent a car accident, but it significantly reduces the risk of serious injury or death in a crash. Likewise, the COVID-19 vaccines do not offer 100% protection from infection but dramatically reduce the risk of severe illness, hospitalization, and death.

Individual and public benefit:

A person wearing a seatbelt primarily protects themselves, but also reduces the burden on public health resources, like emergency services, in the event of an accident. The analogy posits that vaccines work similarly, protecting the vaccinated individual while also preserving scarce hospital resources for others.

Initial resistance followed by acceptance:

When mandatory seatbelt laws were first introduced, they faced public opposition over individual liberty. Over time, however, they became widely accepted as a standard safety measure. Advocates of vaccine mandates suggested that coercive vaccination policies would follow a similar path.

Protecting others:

A key part of the analogy is that an unbelted passenger can become a projectile in an accident and injure other passengers. Similarly, an unvaccinated person who becomes infected could spread the virus to others, including those who are medically vulnerable and cannot be vaccinated.

Criticisms and counterarguments

The seatbelt analogy also faced significant criticism from those who opposed vaccine mandates, citing key differences between the two public health measures:

Differences in benefit: While seatbelts provide a consistent benefit to each individual user, critics argued that the risk-benefit profile of vaccines was different for every person, depending on their age, health, and other circumstances.

No “take-off” option:

A person can unbuckle a seatbelt at will. In contrast, vaccines are injected and cannot be removed, which critics argued represented a more fundamental violation of bodily autonomy.

Alternative protective measures:

Critics highlighted that there are other ways to mitigate the spread of a virus, such as wearing masks, social distancing, and isolation. For seatbelts, there is no comparable “alternative tool” to protect against the force of a car crash.

Biological versus mechanical intervention:

One medical journal argued that the analogy was fundamentally flawed because a vaccine modifies complex biological processes, whereas a seatbelt is a simple mechanical device.

A car is not a human being.

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7 months ago
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Way to interject what wasn’t said at all by others. Do analogies have to be preapproved by you first so they’ll make sense?. You’re overanalyzing a lot to make it seem that way.

Here’s another one; if the joke has to be explained to you, you obviously didn’t get it. Move along.

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7 months ago
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“Classical herd immunity, leading to disease eradication or elimination, almost certainly is an unattainable goal.”

-Anthony Fauci-

-David M Morens-

-Gregory K Folkers-

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9129114/

‘The Concept of Classical Herd Immunity May Not Apply to COVID-19’

David M Morens 1, Gregory K Folkers 2, Anthony S Fauci

‘HERD IMMUNITY AND COVID-19’

“There are significant obstacles to achieving complete herd immunity with COVID-19.

Classical herd immunity, leading to disease eradication or elimination, almost certainly is an unattainable goal.”

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7 months ago
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Why ??? Because RFK JR. says so? What has changed in the last 40 years where the “conspiracy” nuts make sense?

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7 months ago
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Statistics

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7 months ago

⬇️THIS IS FALSE INFORMATION⬇️

“She explained that, “even though the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics recommend [the Covid vaccine] for all children six months and older…

-local mother-

⬆️THIS IS FALSE INFORMATION⬆️

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“Is the CDC currently recommending the covid vsccine for infants 6 months old…???”

“No, the CDC is no longer recommending a blanket COVID-19 vaccine schedule for all infants and children, including those 6 months old. Instead, it now recommends that COVID-19 vaccination decisions be made on an individual basis after a discussion with a healthcare provider about the benefits and risks. This change is part of the CDC’s updated approach to COVID-19 immunization schedules, which puts the decision in the hands of parents and patients, according to HHS.gov and CDC.gov.

The CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) has adopted individual-based decision-making for COVID-19 vaccination, and this applies to all ages, including infants 6 months and older.
This means parents should consult with a healthcare provider to discuss the risks and benefits of the vaccine for their individual child.

The CDC’s previous, broader recommendation for COVID-19 boosters has been replaced with this personalized approach.”

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Continued…

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2025/cdc-immunization-schedule-adopts-individual-based-decision.html#:~:text=The%20Centers%20for%20Disease%20Control,That%20changes%20today.

Individual-based decision-making is referred to on the CDC’s immunization schedules as vaccination based on shared clinical decision-making, which references providers including physicians, nurses, and pharmacists. It means that the clinical decision to vaccinate should be based on patient characteristics that unlike age are difficult to incorporate in recommendations, including risk factors for the underlying disease as well as the characteristics of the vaccine itself and the best available evidence of who may benefit from vaccination.

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/doi/10.1542/peds.2025-073924/203222/Recommendations-for-COVID-19-Vaccines-in-Infants

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https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/doi/10.1542/peds.2025-073924/203222/Recommendations-for-COVID-19-Vaccines-in-Infants

FROM THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS| POLICY STATEMENT| OCTOBER 20 2025
Recommendations for COVID-19 Vaccines in Infants, Children, and Adolescents: Policy Statement

Recommendations

Infants and children 6 through 23 months of age are at high risk for severe COVID-19.2–4

The AAP recommends all infants and children in this age group ➡️who do not have contraindications*, [*COVID-19 vaccine contraindication includes a history of severe allergic reaction (eg, anaphylaxis) after a previous dose or to a component of the COVID-19 vaccine.]⬅️, receive 2025–2026 COVID-19 vaccine, as follows:

(follow link)

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👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆
THIS IS FALSE INFORMATION

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7 months ago

Compare this…

“She explained that, “even though the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics recommend [the Covid vaccine] for all children six months and older…

-local mother-

via & endorsed by

-RHBB-
……………………………….

To this…

“The AAP recommends all infants and children in this age group who do not have contraindications*, [*COVID-19 vaccine contraindication includes a history of severe allergic reaction (eg, anaphylaxis) after a previous dose or to a component of the COVID-19 vaccine.], receive 2025–2026 COVID-19 vaccine, as follows:”

(follow link)

&

“Individual-based decision-making is referred to on the CDC’s immunization schedules as vaccination based on shared clinical decision-making, which references providers including physicians, nurses, and pharmacists. It means that the clinical decision to vaccinate should be based on patient characteristics that unlike age are difficult to incorporate in recommendations, including risk factors for the underlying disease as well as the characteristics of the vaccine itself and the best available evidence of who may benefit from vaccination.”
…………………..

And then tell me which one is incorrect…

CDC DOES NOT “recommend [the Covid vaccine] for all children six months and older”…

AND TO SAY and/or IMPLY, that…

“The American Academy of Pediatrics recommend” [the Covid vaccine] for all children six months and older…” is also UNTRUE due to it’s actual incompleteness and therefore it’s actual inaccuracy, because it irresponsibly leaves out an all important, crucial caveat regarding “contraindications”…

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But, but TRG posted endless links. We should all be grateful that she has the time to “inform” all us ignorant people.

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7 months ago

It’s reprehensible that a heroin addict with a brain worm( his words , not mine) who covets roadkill, takes the grandkids swimming in a cesspool, repeatedly cheats on all of his wives(including the one that killed herself in the driveway& the current one)is making ANY decisions about ANYONE’S health. You can risk your child’s life if you feel that’s morally ok. But, over here, we don’t play with our kids’ lives like that. Most of the rubes falling for this maha bs were safely vaccinated DECADES ago. Btw, your boy also recommended eating saturated fats and avoiding Tylenol. So…enjoy your antiquated diseases, unmitigated pain , and abject ignorance amerikkka! You remain dumb af on the world stage ✌️

Fan of TRG
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Fan of TRG
7 months ago

What is reprehensible is dismissing Kennedy’s 40 plus years of sobriety and service in the recovery community. 40 years!

By dismissing Robert F. Kennedy Jr. you dismiss every single person with long-term recovery just because they were once addicted, and it is not just wrong, it’s disgusting!! It’s ignorant, stigmatizing, and totally out of touch with what addiction is and what recovery means.

Addiction is a medical, behavioral, and neurological disorder, not a personality defect. It affects 1 in 10 American adults, and for men aged 18–25, the number jumps to 1 in 7. You want to talk about “fitness to lead”? Try surviving something that kills over 111,000 Americans a year, and then using your life to help others out of it.

(alcohol use disorder death stats are much more troubling nearly 500 people PER DAY. ~178,000 deaths per year in the U.S. are attributable to alcohol. This includes:Liver disease / organ failure DUI crashes (including innocent victims) Alcohol-related cancers Violence, suicide, and overdose involving alcohol – AUD generates more than twice the deaths than from opioids and is the #4 preventable cause of death in the U.S. (after smoking, poor diet, and inactivity.)

We are a sick culture and not just because of how many people are struggling with Alcohol Use Disorder or opioid dependence, but because people like you mock, dismiss, and reject the very people who fight their way out.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
7 months ago
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💯

cranky old lady
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7 months ago

I take 650 mgs of acetaminophen three times a day, every day, and some days, I take more. I have chronic pain from sciatica, spinal stenosis, and carpal tunnel syndrome. All caused by decades of working in the nursing field. I’d rather take oxycodone, but the FDA has physicians terrified of prescribing it. I can’t take other common NSAIDs, so I take acetaminophen which makes my pain somewhat tolerable most days. So screw RFK Jr. Either give me narcs or STFU.

Griffon
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Griffon
7 months ago

I think you can get those off the streets of Humboldt county.

tahca
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tahca
7 months ago

No wonder you’re so cranky. Nasty stuff you’re taking there. It’s so hard on your organs and could lead to even more trouble. Have you researched Astaxanthin, Curcumin, Vitamin E, Benfotiamine? Works for me.

Big Rick
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Big Rick
7 months ago

Where did I put my mop and bucket? I need to clean up all of this drool in the comment section.

Somebody lose their helmet? Who’s helmet is this?

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
7 months ago

“In the southern part of the county, the need for vaccine supplies was felt as families inquired about where and when they could get “the jab” – despite endorsement of the vaccine’s efficacy by the West Coast Health Alliance and by State agencies like DHHS…”

-RHBB-

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“California, Oregon, and Washington ➡️are beginning the process⬅️to provide evidence-based unified recommendations to their residents regarding who should receive immunizations and to help ensure the public has access and credible information for confidence in vaccine safety and ➡️efficacy.⬅️

-WCHA Link Provided Within The Paragraph-

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RHBB, PLEASE show exactly where WCHA’s “endorsement of the [COVID] vaccines’ efficacy” actually is, in quotation marks, if you would be so kind…

Thank you

Because I’m not seeing it, after looking for it, because you said it was there..

There are more than one covid vaccines, and the West Coast Health Alliance does not even SHOW vaccine efficacies for ANY AGE GROUPS, for EVEN ONE particular covid vaccine, let alone efficacies for more than one covid vaccine…

And on an article like this, that DIRECTLY REFERENCES, “The CDC”, “The AAP”, “State agencies like DHSS”, AND, “The West Coast Health Alliance, WOULDN’T ONE THINK that the ACTUAL, OFFICIAL, MOST CURRENT COVID VACCINE “RECOMMENDATIONS”, FROM EACH AND EVERY ORGANIZATION MENTIONED, including ANY SPECIFIC LACK OF RECOMMENDATIONS, (by the CDC), thereof, respectively, would ALSO be clearly and prominently displayed, for reference, clarity, accuracy, credibility, and creditability…???

I’m pretty sure the, “endorsement of the vaccine’s [sic] efficacy [sic], is a little vague…

There are more than one covid vaccines, and their particular efficacies would be different respectively, and would need to be endorsed individually, wouldn’t they…???

Did I miss a blanket “endorsement” of ANY AND ALL [COVID] vaccines’ efficacies, by the “West Coast Health Alliance”, AND by “State agencies like DHSS”…???

Please clearly show these endorsements of COVID vaccine efficacies, and preferably also those vaccine efficacies, for people like me that aren’t seeing such an endorsement of the covid vaccines’ efficacies, can’t find anything resembling such an official WCHA/ DHSS, etc., endorsement of the COVID vaccines’ efficacies, that you have specifically referenced and have specifically representated that they exist…

That would be very helpful…

Thank you…

Uncommon Sense
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Uncommon Sense
7 months ago

Is there a vaccine protecting us against leftist hysterics???

cranky old lady
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7 months ago
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Nah. We’re hoping our intellect will be contagious. Unfortunately, that hasn’t happened yet.

Oh, well. 🙄

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
7 months ago

Are you talking about this…???

“Without widespread vaccination, herd immunity is difficult to achieve.”

-c o l-

Because that wasn’t ever, ever, even possibly, going to ever happen with the Covid-19 vaccines, regardless of uptake…

That should certainly be a given, by now…

And I am very dismayed, and discouraged, by that comment, considering your resume…

Did/Do you really think that herd immunity was ever even REMOTELY possible with the COVID-19 vaccines…???

I certainly hope not…

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Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
7 months ago

*For your information only*

Breastfeed all babies for 2 years.

Any COVID Vaccine arguments on RHBB may contain incomplete and incorrect information…

Hard to believe you are still in “Combat Mode” over a vaccine…

I took my Flu and COVID at the same time and got pretty sick for a week…

Last fall, I got COVID anyway, and it was not fun…

I am 73, and I would rather feel icky for a week than be sick for 90 days.

COVID sucks, and it has killed millions, but a vaccine may or may not prevent it.

You do not have to take the vaccine if you don’t want to.

SoHum Health, or whatever they are calling it this year, is an incompetent, crooked and nepotistic organization, which is run for the benefit of a few locals only… Do not depend on them for up-to-date or correct information…

Farce
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Farce
7 months ago

SO SCARY!! GET SCARED EVERYBODY!!!

Hey Moe!
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Hey Moe!
7 months ago
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I guess education can be scary at first depending on where you start, but stick with it and you will be rewarded in kind.

Al. L Ivesmatr
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Al. L Ivesmatr
7 months ago
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Yep,, the Wuhan shot is experimental, and does not work. Please stop referring to it as COVID. COVID is the family of cold viruses. You might as well be talking about Mars which shows the education involved, none. Masks do not work. Japan amongst others has proven this conclusively. Like you said, education is important if you can understand Science rather than political science which is garbage. Speak for yourself……

laura cooskey
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7 months ago
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I love you saying that while you have Covid!

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
7 months ago

Munchausen syndrome by proxy is real…

Hey Moe!
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Hey Moe!
7 months ago

3 hours drive for healthcare and more than a third of the time the doctor cannot keep the appointment (good golf day), or you were referred to the wrong doctor “But good news, you are very lucky, I have an appointment available the day after tomorrow with the correct doctor this time, will that work for you?”
Still better I suppose than the excuse for healthcare available locally, a misdiagnosis and no insurance accepted. ER is practically a death sentence in this county, just ask your local nurse.

Yabut
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Yabut
7 months ago
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Really? The three times I’ve gone to an ER in my life I shockingly (according to your comment anyway) did not die!

laura cooskey
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7 months ago
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I went to the ER at Redwood Memorial for a deeply infected toe about a month back. Must have been good timing to be there on a Monday morning, because i was seen immediately; treated respectfully and the trouble inspected thoroughly; had X-rays, local anesthesia, draining lances to the nail (thank GODNESS for the painkillers), and was given a week’s prescription for the right antibiotics from the right pharmacy. No trouble at all with the health care coverage. I was in and out in about an hour. Smooth as butter and i am very grateful!

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
7 months ago

“Determined to get her baby covered by the vaccine before the onset of the winter flu season,…”

-RHBB-

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RHBB,

Why on Earth would the mother be “Determined to get her baby covered by the [COVID] vaccine before the onset of the winter FLU season,”…???

And, it’s pretty clear that from the graphs above, RSV is the overarching risk regarding infant deaths in our area…

The risk to infants from covid pales by comparison, and is actually the least risky of the three illnesses shown in the last two years…

So far, this year, covid is out in front, but the 2025/2026 respiratory illness season is young…

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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
7 months ago
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Correction…

Flu, not RSV, represented the greatest risk to infants in our multi county region, according to the previous recent respiratory illness season bar graphs…

I misread the graphs…

I regret the error…

….

cranky old lady
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7 months ago
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*raises hand

I can answer your misinformed question…

The reason why one would get a covid vaccine during flu season is because upper respiratory infections are more common in winter. People tend to congregate indoors where it’s warmer and drier, which makes an excellent environment for the transmission of all kinds viruses.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
7 months ago

So, to you, it doesn’t make sense to get a covid vaccine before covid season, and to get a flu shot, before flu season…

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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
7 months ago

“She explained that, “even though the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics recommend it for all children six months and older,…” “

-RHBB-

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BOTH of those recommendations are outdated, obsolete, incorrect, and/or, incomplete…

They are from February of 2025, and the AAP recommendation, is woefully incomplete…

Link please, evidence please…

And please include updated, current, correct, complete covid vaccination recommendations from the various organizations, including the CDC and FDA, the AAP, and the WCHA, for an informed choice…

thank you…

Fan of TRG
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Fan of TRG
7 months ago
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Have fun screaming into the void that is this click-bait, lie – filled piece of pro-MRNA death jab propaganda. You still have the energy for it. I don’t.

Unfortunately the nuance and daily practice involved in maintaining “health” or reestablishing it when faced with illness, is completely lost on most people. Pills, potions, shots, and fear unfortunately trump natural hygienic health practices like real sustenance, faith and temperance.

I’m at the point of letting ’em chase down the disabling remedies of big pharma, might help weed out the dumb ones. With 8 billion + on the planet we can spare a few. 😆 (Dark humor Karen’s, don’t get triggered….)

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
7 months ago
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I hear you…

It’s not so much the folks that are making choices for themselves, that bother me enough to object, it’s when people are making the decision for other people, that I feel compelled to object to…

Especially when they clearly don’t understand the dynamics of what the Covid vaccines actually can and cannot do…

Children, especially infants, that have no control of what someone else decides to have someone else inject into their innocent little bodies, the consequences of which they will have to live with always, deserve the utmost consideration…

They aren’t getting that, especially when one of the stated qualifying covid vaccination criteria for vaccinating infants and children, is simply someone else that is actually vulnerable to covid being in the same household, that the western bozos are using to foolishly justify vaccination of infants and children…

That’s just chicken shit…

The Covid vaccines don’t even provide preventative immunity…

So, that makes it just plain stupid, also…

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heart
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heart
7 months ago

FEAR Is the most dangerous virus

izzy
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izzy
7 months ago

In a free society, we are free to choose what stupid thing we will do, or not do.
The consequences will speak for themselves.

cranky old lady
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7 months ago
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Yes, but children don’t have the ability to determine the necessity of such medical care like vaccines. Nor do they have the ability until their teens to seek medical care or make some medical choices without parental involvement. Which is why it’s important for their parents/guardians to have the information in order to make the correct decisions to protect their kids.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
7 months ago

You don’t seem to be properly acknowledging the potential for parents, and/or guardians, to vaccinate infants and children, not in order to protect those infants and children, but in a misguided, misdirected, even futile, intention to primarily protect themselves and other adults and even the elderly.
, still foolishly believing that fraudulent narrative, selfishly, that vaccinating infants and children will somehow “protect granny”, and/or others…

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
7 months ago

“SDRIFE”…


AKA “BABOON SYNDROME”…

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39642561/

A rare long-term side effect of COVID-19 vaccines: Symmetrical drug-related intertriginous and flexural exanthema-like reaction SDRIFE and potential immunogens for delayed type hypersensitivity reactions

Conclusion: This mini review showed that SDRIFE, [AKA Baboon Syndrome], due to COVID vaccines is a rare, but a significant adverse event that has a potential to impair patient compliance with subsequent vaccines.

Starryess
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Starryess
7 months ago

Its eugenics.
Y’all didnt pay attentiin when earlier this year county health said we can no longer offer influenza tests, that was the writing on the wall
They want your kids dead so they have resources for their genetically desired traits kids. If youre wealthy enough to afford private insurance youll be fine.
The system rewards the rich.
Old people have to go too, its the eugenics way. Thats why once old folks are kicked off medicaid they will not be allowed to purchase any insurance, itll all be private pay ie death.
Up north the rhetoric is becoming that old people are taking all the doctors appts and kids are more important so old folks need to stop going to doc.

Please dont move your elderly parents here, its not safe & average wait time to get a doctor is 2 years up north, St Joes has told multiple people I know that very thing.. Not joking. Open Door will most likely lose their federal funding soon.

We are beyond lucky to have a hospital, big pharmacy and optometry office coming!!
If youre a cannabis grower hater, pls dont use any of so hum healths facilities, they are happening because of community minded pot growers.
Or if youre one of the people telling so hum kids it should be considered child abuse to raise a kid down here, you just stay up north while kids down here actually get to see a doctor. Youre not welcome.
Thank you to the older generations for funding so much in So Hum that supports our health&community!!! 🙏

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
7 months ago
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Oh FFS, eugenics? Really? Is the Earth flat too? If you want to get tested, you still can!
Call one of the clinics, visit your doctor, or any place that offers vaccinations to see if they also offer testing.

Also, the telephone game of info doesn’t help anything other than spread rumors.

Disgusted
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Disgusted
7 months ago

Spent half my childhood sick with ALL of the diseases that we now have vaccines for. My kids got jabs and didn’t get any of them. As a Mom I didn’t want my kids to suffer like I did. Any parent who won’t vaccinate their kids will have weeks of sick kids, lots of missed school days and maybe infecting the also unvaxxed adults. My Dad nearly died of mumps and measles, and he ended up with prostate issues. So. Anecdotal evidence. Adult versions of these diseases are nasty. Enjoy!

Yabut
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Yabut
7 months ago
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True for my family too.

SickofSocialists
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SickofSocialists
7 months ago

Good. Children should not be forcefully injected with this shit.

Their immune systems will do their jobs.

KrabbySue
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KrabbySue
7 months ago

I don’t blame Moms for being concerned. I thought MAGA[edit] were for parental freedom and here they are shaming and advising others. Disgusting.

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fiskiller
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fiskiller
7 months ago

everyone should check out this film, compelling.
://www.aninconvenientstudy.com/

D'Tucker Jebs
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7 months ago
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Nobody should waste a minute of their time watching this rubbish.
Scientific studies are not published on video.
They’re published in peer-reviewed scientific journals.

The draft wasn’t submitted for publication or shared with the public because the data and analyses were flawed, and it’s irresponsible to share scientifically flawed studies with the public.” https://www.henryford.com/news/2025/09/henry-ford-health-vaccine-study-fact-check

Canyon oak
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Canyon oak
7 months ago

Mask up folks seriously.
use painters tape or electric tape on your sleeves and collar to block the pathogens.
wear only tight weave polyester or German woolen garments, double up contractor bags like rain suits during heavy infections.
i haven’t left home in 5 years, and haven’t had human contact closer than 6ft since I got the good word from my health care provider.
hopefully the landscapers, meat packers and produce pickers can return soon to keep my local Trader Joe’s stocked while I wait for this plague to subside.
no one is illegal unless they aren’t wearing a mask!
trust the experts!

Peaseblossom
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Peaseblossom
7 months ago
Reply to  Canyon oak

Awwwww I see you learned the whitewash lesson well on spewing division and sarcasm. You do know Covid was the first big great divider and the experiment is playing out beautifully. Enjoy your “cough” Kool aid.

Libertybiberty
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Libertybiberty
7 months ago

What parents, who, Really?

Kicking Bull
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Kicking Bull
7 months ago

Until suffering is addressed at its source it will be spread freely/ liberally dressed as the best of intentions.

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