Humboldt County Democrats Condemn Violence, Call for Reflection Following Utah Tragedy

[Screenshot of a video of a woman holding a sign speaking to a person attending Charlie Kirk's Candlelight Vigil at the Humboldt County Courthouse]

[Screenshot from a video by Ryan Hutson showing a woman holding a sign speaking to a person attending Charlie Kirk’s Candlelight Vigil at the Humboldt County Courthouse]

Press release from Humboldt County Democrats:

As Humboldt County Democrats, we fundamentally and categorically disagree with Charlie Kirk’s ideology and rhetoric — however, we unequivocally abhor violence as a tool to silence dissent.

Our condolences are with Charlie Kirk’s family — his two children and wife. Our empathy is with those who witnessed a murder at Utah Valley University.

The abilities to express oneself freely, and peaceably assemble and act are cornerstones of our democracy. No one in this country, in this day and age, should be a victim of gun violence.

We must be and act as our better selves.

Earlier: Candlelight Vigil Held in Eureka Following Assassination of Charlie Kirk

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Kris
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Kris
8 months ago

Get out the popcorn, act 2 on all this drama is about to begin.
Let the verbal thrashing of the Democrats begin.

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Mr. Clark
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8 months ago
Reply to  Kris

Or, at least, let’s just put political violence on the table.

The dems have been calling me a nazi for years. They are wrong. I am a constitutional conservative. So is President Trump, for the most part.

The hard core left, will resort to cheating, lying, defamation, accusation, persecution, vandalism, and violence, including murder.

They use guns to kill us, then ban guns.

They use speech to in rebuttal, then ban speech.

They use the law to persecute us and reject our judges.

They accuse us of everything they are doing, then deny the fact.

So tell me who is the Nazi?

treeman53
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treeman53
8 months ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

Well said, Mr. Clark.

Thanks for proving our point!
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Thanks for proving our point!
8 months ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

More 🥨 thinking

Espino
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Espino
8 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Mr. Clark is spot on. I remember well the sixties. Who was setting off bombs and killing innocent people? The left. Who was rioting and burning cities? The left. Who shot JFK? A leftist. Who was Hitler? The leader of The National Socialist German Workers Party. It’s always the same ideology. The scourge of Humanity labeled socialism.

Kabloona
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Kabloona
8 months ago
Reply to  Espino

But a white MAGA raised christian shot and killed Charlie. That doesn’t fit your narrative does it?

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good day to microdose and touch grass
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good day to microdose and touch grass
8 months ago
Reply to  Kabloona

It isn’t his mom and dad in custody now, is it?

His own father restrained him to surrender his ass to law enforcement!

Honestly, what is wrong with ppl. Both parties SUCK! lolz

WHO CARES ANYMORE!

Can we just stop glorifying MURDER??…

f’real, if I read one more wall of text “Charlie Kirk didn’t deserve to be assassinated, HOWEVER…” I will run out of friends to remove from my feed!

Sickening it is.

Anyhooooo, looks like you are the one with the tired ‘partisan’ narrative…. j/s

Bill Hogoboom
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8 months ago
Reply to  Kabloona

I’ve seen zero evidence that Tyler Robinson or any of his family are MAGA[]edit]s. Morman <> MAGA.

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Kabloona
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Kabloona
8 months ago
Reply to  Bill Hogoboom

Maybe not but 70% of mormons vote republican, 70% of republicans are MAGA.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
Reply to  Kabloona

Children go 180° from their parents…

Bill Hogoboom
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8 months ago
Reply to  Kabloona

So, what you’re saying is, that there’s a 49% chance that your baseless conjecture is correct.

Mr. Clark
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8 months ago
Reply to  Kabloona

And 98% of antifa will resort to violence. And 82% are ferry fetish fans. Sick.

Mr. Clark
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8 months ago
Reply to  Kabloona

He is an antifa jackass right now though, isn’t he.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Now do the Liberal version, which you have so far, refused to make a balanced, equivalent effort and time expenditure to list, for whatever reason…

Until that is also done, your list is entirely biased, politically speaking…

Maybe start here…

2023

Oct. 8, 2023

15-year old to serve 35–70 years for murder of Ted Lawson

LANSING, Mich. (WLNS) — 15-year-old Lamar Kemp was sentenced to 35–70 years in prison Wednesday for the 2023 shooting murder of prominent local Democratic Party leader Ted Lawson, then 63 years old.



On Oct. 8, 2023, police responded to a shooting at around 3:01 p.m. on the 110 block of North Jenison Avenue. Police say Kemp approached Lawson, who was canvassing at the time, and asked him for a dollar. Then, he shot Lawson. Upon arrival, police found Lawson with a gunshot wound and transported him to a nearby hospital via ambulance where he later died.

Police arrested Kemp, and later the same week, an Ingham County judge ruled that he would be charged as an adult with murder due to the severity of the charges and his history of offenses in Ingham County.




While Lawson, secretary of the Ingham County Democratic Party, was shot while politically canvassing, Ingham County Prosecutor John J. Dewane confirmed that the shooting was not politically motivated.



The Ingham County 30th Circuit Court was filled with numerous emotions from Lawson’s family, who confronted Kemp.





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Korina42
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8 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

The story you posted said Kemp’s crime wasn’t politically motivated, and there’s no indication of his political views.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
Reply to  Korina42

Doesn’t matter…

The victim was a notable Democratic politician…

And it was a shooting…

THAT’S how the conversation between
Espino and Kym Kemp STARTED, in a previous article…

Espino asked for the comparable list yesterday…

“Shootings that involved victims that were notable Democrat politicians…”

You may have missed that, but I didn’t…

Kym, in my opinion, in her zeal to overwhelm, and dilute the significance of Conservative Charlie Kirk’s brutal assassination, etc., has shifted the narrative to a multitude of right wing events that include everything under the sun, not just shootings of notable Democrat or Liberal politician victims…

Previously, in their discussion that was supposed to be limited to shootings only, ostensibly in direct comparison to Conservatives Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump, Kym brought up such unrelated things, in number, like Paul Pelosi getting hit with a hammer, someone shooting up a building, and someone running someone over with their car…

Primarily totally irrelevant, aside from a couple of relevant examples she gave…

Kym followed up today with the list a mile long of right wing domestic terror events, that are not directly connected to the Republican Party, at all, like she only imagines and/or would like her readers to also imagine right along with her…

So that list a mile long is basically irrelevant, as Right wing domestic terrorism is not the equivalent of, nor necessarily directly related to, The Republican Party…

Bill Hogoboom
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8 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

An apolitical punk murders a democratic party worker. That’s your example of left wing violence? WTF am I missing here?

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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
Reply to  Bill Hogoboom

First of all, WTF your missing IS, is the fact that…

….Left wing violence/terrorism does not equate to NECESSARILY being committed BY the Democrat party…!!!

AND…!!!…

…Right wing violence/domestic terrorism, does not equate to NECESSARILY being committed BY the Republican Party…

Common misconceptions, but don’t feel bad, Kym Kemp did the same thing…

Second of all,

Ted Lawson wasn’t just a Democrat party order, he was variously described as…

“secretary of the Ingham County Democratic Party”…

…And…

…”prominent local Democratic Party leader”

Third, you missed the part about the previous/ongoing multiple day conversation between Espino and Kym Kemp, originated with a comparative list request to Kym from Espino with set parameters that included a a shooter/shooting and a victim that was a notable Democrat leader…

Ted Lawson came up in my search…

The “Kemp” connection was just an entirely random “unrelated” coincidence, to the best of my knowledge…

Giggle, giggle…

🙂 😉

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Tangled Massocells
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Tangled Massocells
8 months ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Wouldn’t waste much time waiting for that list! This site is an echo chamber for the fascist – racist – etc. rhetoric that that got Kirk assassinated. It’s dialog has always been skewed – 75 to 25 % – and that’s being generous. Kym’s viewpoint is well documented by her own comments. The good news is she is nowhere near the hate LOCO spews.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago

Yes of course, Great News, Great News…

Not very reassuring…

Charlie Kirk’s assassination being so enthusiastically dismissed, downplayed, and diluted, simultaneously, watered down beyond recognition, as if it was never more that just a non-existent figment of the collective conservative imagination, was a real eye opener for me, and something that I used to think, or just imagine, I guess, has been forever lost in the process, which is , the benefit of the doubt…

Now I am absolutely sure that what I use to so firmly believe that was true, never really existed in the first place, anywhere other than just in my wildest imagination…

IT was ALWAYS just figment of my imagination…

It’s not like I never had my doubts…

But…

How could I have been so naive and so deceived…???

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Kym,

It seems to me that you have been going to an extraordinary effort and have expended and extraordinary amount of time, in what appears to me to be intended to minimize, diminish, water down and otherwise dilute the significance of the brutal assassination of the Conservative, Charlie Kirk…

However, the very premise of your argument is, apparently, completely wrong…

It’s basis is seriously flawed, and is actually entirely based on an all too common misconception…

(And this sure seems like projection

“but you just won’t give up this one side is the bad guy rhetoric so here:”

Who “just won’t give up on the one side is bad guy rhetoric”…???

The true answer to that appears crystal clear…

Did you not see the extraordinary length of your list, and did you not plod the extraordinary length that you went to in order to comprise it…???

The proof is in the plodding…)

Your argument…
…………………………………………………………

“I’ve listed a number of violent incidents tied to conservatives, [Republicans], before but you just won’t give up this one side is the bad guy rhetoric so here:”

“How about this list:”

“List of Right-Wing Domestic Terror Incidents, 2017-2022”
-Kym Kemp-
________________________________________

But, you see, hopefully,….

“RIGHT WING domestic terrorism” DOES NOT equate to the REPUBLICAN PARTY …

Ask AI

“Does right wing domestic terrorism equate to the Republican Party…???”

-AI Overview-

“No, right-wing domestic terrorism does not equate to the Republican Party. Mainstream political parties like the Republican and Democratic parties officially reject terrorism. Instead, right-wing domestic terrorism is perpetrated by a small minority of extremists who operate outside mainstream politics.

Key distinctions and points of clarification include:

Terrorism vs. mainstream politics:

Organizations like the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) emphasize that terms like “right-wing terrorism” refer to extremist ideologies and actions, not the platforms of major U.S. political parties.

Extremist ideologies:

Right-wing terrorists are driven by fringe ideologies, including racial or ethnic supremacy, extreme anti-government sentiments, and violent reactions against certain policies. These views exist on the political fringe and are not representative of mainstream Republicanism.

Political rhetoric and influence:

While not the same as terrorism, political rhetoric can influence extremists. Some analysts have noted that inflammatory language from political figures can sometimes inspire or be used to justify violence by far-right actors. However, this is distinct from equating the actions of a few extremists with an entire political party.

Terrorist targeting:

Far-right terrorists do not exclusively target political opponents. The Council on Foreign Relations has noted that in the post-Trump era, some Republican politicians have also been targeted by the violent far right, particularly those who do not align with extremist views.

Extremism’s political impact:

Far-right extremism poses a direct and imminent threat not only to the liberal democratic order but also to the Republican Party and American conservatism, as documented by organizations like the Council on Foreign Relations.”

_________________________________________

Back to the drawing board…!!!

🤷‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️

treeman53
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treeman53
8 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

To tie the MAJORITY of these incidents to conservatives is wrong.These people are plain extremist and do not align with the principles of either side.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

So let me get this straight…

You “honestly” really ACTUALLY think it’s “WEIRD” that people act like when”, “someone on the other side”, (let’s say, for example, PRESIDENT DONALD J TRUMP), “does something bad”, “it’s a sign that their own side is right,”…???

You got me there…

That’s weird all right… Really weird…

I couldn’t agree more…

Sandy Beaches
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Sandy Beaches
8 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Yes, hate and intolerance work both ways. It’s good that MS Kemp provides this information. Free press is important, as is balanced reporting.

OhNoYouDon't
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OhNoYouDon't
8 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

💯

Farce
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Farce
8 months ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

Yes I see that also and it’s disheartening. But it’s not all DEMs who are full of hate and empty of intelligence. Like this statement above- which we should welcome. Maybe some decent DEMs will get a hold of the reins- we can only hope….

Cankles McTacotits
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Cankles McTacotits
8 months ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

I can’t believe this guy is getting so many upvotes. he says “let’s put political violence on the table” then proceeds to say “The hard core left, will resort to cheating, lying, defamation, accusation, persecution, vandalism, and violence, including murder.”

projection much?

you just described everything that maga does

You guys just believe what ever your cult leader tells you

OhNoYouDon't
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OhNoYouDon't
8 months ago

Here’s Mr Kirk addressing the “cult” of MAGA … Go ahead, listen.

https://youtu.be/sM__R0RU6sU?si=xiG2-sJ0GwVcL7aL

Kabloona
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Kabloona
8 months ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

But a white MAGA raised christian killed Charlie. That doesn’t fit your narrative. What will you blame now?

Bill Hogoboom
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8 months ago
Reply to  Kabloona

You’re repeating yourself and you’re still wrong. So now I’m forced to repeat myself also…
I’ve seen zero evidence that Tyler Robinson or any of his family are MAGA[edit]s. Morman <> MAGA.

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Kabloona
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Kabloona
8 months ago
Reply to  Bill Hogoboom

If you vote for tRump you’re MAGA. They voted for tRump. Have you seen the hats, the MAGA hats that tRump promotes? Have you heard his slogan “make america great again”? Now you’re being intentionally obtuse.

Bill Hogoboom
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8 months ago
Reply to  Kabloona

The way people fuck around with pronouns these days, I can’t tell if you’re referring to the shooter or his whole family. In any case, what’s your evidence of his or their voting habits?

Kabloona
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Kabloona
8 months ago
Reply to  Bill Hogoboom

Read the news, his grandma came right out and said the whole family and friends are all MAGA. Why does the truth escape you?

Canyon oak
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Canyon oak
8 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

many of the hippies came from conservative families too, but they left the plantation, went expat, etc.
we often see young adults turning their back on their families worldview, going in the opposite path. I think that’s the case here with Tyler Robinson.

Bill Hogoboom
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8 months ago
Reply to  Kabloona

I missed the grandma bit. Where did you read that?

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Kabloona
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Kabloona
8 months ago
Reply to  Bill Hogoboom

As you can see Kim posted it.

Mr. Clark
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8 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

No not advocating. Just investigating and discussing the reasons.

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Humboldt
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Humboldt
8 months ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

Poor you.
So misunderstood.

Why worry about what others call you?

Either you are registered as part of the Nazi party or you are not. You know the truth.

However, as we learned as children, When you point a finger at someone, four are pointing back at you…

All of the things, violence and crime, that you accuse the “left” – whatever “left” means – of doing, was probably also done by the “right”.

When one remembers Watergate, the Iran Contra scandal, the Klu Klux Klan, the brutal murder of George Floyd, one recalls that these were perpetrated by those who identify as “right” .

Rather than pointing fingers, it might be more productive to lay down one’s defensiveness and attempt to see the things citizens have in common.

As the current administration continues to oppress those who are powerless, it is no wonder that people feel desperate and act in desperate ways.

Those who identify as constitutional conservatives have skewed the constitution to be interpreted to project their point of view.

Their lack of reason and flexibility are on par with fundamentalist Christians who disparage those who are not in their cult by touting bronze age understanding of certain versers, without including others, like prohibitions on eating shellfish…

At this stage of your life, perhaps seeking understanding and connection with those of differing views and lifestyles might bring more satisfaction than dying on the stand of “being right” .

Mr. Clark
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8 months ago
Reply to  Humboldt

Thanks for proving my point.

“They accuse us of everything they are doing, then deny the fact.”

Timb0
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8 months ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

Whose constitution? Trump doesn’t follow the Jefferson one, and you have labeled him a constitutional conservative. I haven’t seen where you were called a nazi, but in fairness, I haven’t read all of the posts in Kym’s comment pages. Examples?

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
Reply to  Kris

As is thoroughly deserved. But that will also be thoroughly bring up the familiar litany of examples of how bad individual conservatives, (note- not to be called Republicans and always MAGA or Trump worshippers for convenience in spewing hate), as if that excuses their own. Follow by- well that is also familiar. It will be “Violence is wrong” followed by ten times as many words excusing it.

The bottom line will be that, while the Democrats say the abhor violence, they don’t direct their ire over violence at their own. Hello? They don’t even understand their very words, their own ideology, “fundamentally and categorically disagree with Charlie Kirk’s ideology”, when they won’t even make an effort to look at his ideology, are a permission slip for violence.

Kris
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Kris
8 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

Oh please. I doubt 90% of the people on here telling us what a great person he was had even heard of him before or if they did knew nothing about him.

As far as his ideology goes I have looked into it and disagree with it. From his views on women, to his views on gays, DEI, his Christian nationalism.

Specialist
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Specialist
8 months ago
Reply to  Kris

Fine, you have differing views from Charlie. But the average citizen understsnds that a person doesn’t deserve to be murdered for their views. If you ever watched any long form Charlie Kirk, and could ‘get over’ for a minute your difference in views- you might have witnessed actual discourse, compassion and kind debate. I’ve noticed that many who ‘hate’ or dislike his views, are determined to do so & source their info accordingly – getting some other person’s rephrasing & framing, or cleverly edited bites that sound awful.

Thanks for proving our point!
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Thanks for proving our point!
8 months ago
Reply to  Specialist

We are clear that this is unacceptable.
What’s also unacceptable is some people acting as if that person was not a hateful troll influencer. People have been influenced by him and his ilk and the result ain’t pretty. Laura Loomer( trump’s sidepiece) was literally attacking kirk over wanting to see the EPSTEIN FILES and calling for retribution, which she’s actively scrubbing from her social media. Most mass shooters are influenced by internet and social media troll influencers and by and large harbor trumpy views. This will not stop until people wake up from this national hoodwinking and brainwashing. We’ve lost friends and family over stating the same views and hatred kirk was ACTIVELY spewing when he was murdered
In the words of Samuel L and Spike Lee: WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!

Espino
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Espino
8 months ago

Thanks for proving our point with an utterly delusional post. Wake up you say. Your politics and this attack have awakened a multitude of the younger generation. Charlie is gone because his message was resonating with younger Americans. From a folding chair and a small table he went from one on one conversations to large crowds. You have no idea what this event has unleashed, but soon you will.

Korina42
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8 months ago
Reply to  Espino

I thought he was gone because a mentally ill young man found a convenient target.

Farce
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Farce
8 months ago

You know what was funny? That scene in the Blues Brothers movie where John Belushi yelled ” I hate Illinois Nazis!” and drove his car towards their march making them all jump off the bridge into the river. It was funny because he didn’t kill anybody. Even Nazis get to have free speech. It’s an uncomfortable consequence of our Bill of Rights. Are you arguing that it’s okay to kill somebody because they said something that you don’t like?!!! That is scary, borderline criminal and un-American to the core…

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago

He wasn’t as far as I can tell “a hateful troll influencer.” And the old divide and diversion tactic of connecting people to others without justification just so they be flushed away together, without thinking, is your go to right now.

If you are waiting for people to rally around your hate agenda, “In the words of Samuel L and Spike Lee: WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!”

OhNoYouDon't
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OhNoYouDon't
8 months ago

Have you ever actually listened to him debate?
He’s not hateful.
Speech that you don’t agree with is not automatically “hateful” …

Farce
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Farce
8 months ago
Reply to  Specialist

Well said. Our society is suffering from selective perspective- receiving information tailored to reinforce pre-existing mindset, echo chamber algorithms sending us all into positions of polarized hate and anger. It’s a serious problem! It’s very hard to get truly objective news. Our social media fixations and our infotainment sources are leading us into some kind of savage tech-heavy dark age….it should really be acknowledged and addressed.

Kabloona
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Kabloona
8 months ago
Reply to  Specialist

Charlie didn’t believe in empathy, he said so many times. Did you know that a lack of empathy was the main attribute that the SS looked for in their recruits.

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Mr. Clark
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8 months ago
Reply to  Kabloona

Thanks for proving my point.

“The dems have been calling me a nazi for years. They are wrong. I am a constitutional conservative. So is President Trump, for the most part.”

Thanks for proving our point!
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Thanks for proving our point!
8 months ago
Reply to  Kris

White supremacy etc
we know exactly who and what he was. Please stop insulting our intelligence. We’ve known what we were dealing with since strokey grampy rode down the golden mall escalator

Art
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Art
8 months ago

The non voting shooter was right.

Charlie was a fascist in democratic clothing.

Just Wondering
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Just Wondering
8 months ago
Reply to  Art

Name one fascist statement Charlie Kirk made.

Art
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Art
8 months ago
Reply to  Just Wondering

Every statement that he supported Trump was fascist supportive.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
8 months ago
Reply to  Just Wondering

Kirk also called the Civil Rights Act of 1964 a “huge mistake,” and in 2023, referred to Martin Luther King Jr. as “awful”. 

Kirk promoted the “Great Replacement” theory, which alleges that non-white immigration is an intentional plot to reduce the influence of white people. In 2023, he claimed on his show that “the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country”.

Later in 2023, Kirk accused Jews of controlling various institutions in the United States, including “the colleges…the nonprofits, it’s the movies, it’s Hollywood, it’s all of it”. 

In 2023, Kirk referred to prominent Black women, including Michelle Obama, Joy Reid, Sheila Jackson Lee, and Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, as “affirmative action picks” who “do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously”.

Also saying he would force his 10 y/0 daughter, who would be a rape victim, to carry the baby to term.

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Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago

You really can’t tell what is hateful, can you? I don’t know if all those points have been debunked or have some truth but I did look into one of them , the one about “Prominent Black Women. What he said was that, when they were advocating for affirmative action, the women said they only gained their prominence due to it which he said was equivalent to their saying they did think they had the brain power to do it on their own. You can disagree with that idea but he did not say what you want to put into his mouth. All you are doing is repeating someone else’s misinformation.

OhNoYouDon't
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OhNoYouDon't
8 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

But, I thought Dems are incapable of making statements of misinformation … Kind of like how only wytppl are racist 😂🙄

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
8 months ago

Not forcing someone to abort is not forcing them to carry a child. Birth is a natural process.

The civil rights act is unconstitutional by using the federal government to force association between private parties. Your word choice is intentionally obfuscated.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
8 months ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

A 10 year child. The hypothetical 10 year child Kirk was talking abut was his own daughter. So, by his own thinking, forcing a 10 year old child to carry a pregnancy to term is what would happen if there isn’t a termination. 10 years old.

Not to mention, a10 year old child would have been raped to become pregnant.

But hey, disregarding the fact that a 10 year old isn’t even physically developed enough to safely deliver a baby. That’s disgusting.

As for the rest, that’s an interpretation, I guess. I just won’t give any more opinions to someone who thinks a 10 year old child being forced to carry a rapist’s baby something that can be handwaved away.

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Art
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Art
8 months ago
Reply to  Just Wondering

Charlie Kirk played a significant role in organizing and promoting the events of January 6, 2021, and subsequently invoked the Fifth Amendment when questioned by the House Select Committee investigating the Capitol attack

For starts….

canola
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canola
8 months ago
Reply to  Art

Thanks Art

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
Reply to  Just Wondering

You missed the joke…

Kabloona
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Kabloona
8 months ago
Reply to  Just Wondering

 “Thou shall lay with another man, shall be stoned to death.” Charlie Kirk.

canola
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canola
8 months ago
Reply to  Kabloona

Other tidy rules in Levitucus:
1.       Burning any yeast or honey in offerings to God (2:11) [Normal penalty.]
2.       Failing to include salt in offerings to God (2:13) [Normal penalty.]
3.       Eating fat (3:17) [That one’s “a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.” All fat is to be saved for offerings to God. Normal penalty.]
4.       Eating blood (3:17) [Normal penalty]
5.       Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve witnessed (5:1) [“They will be held responsible.”]
6.       Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve been told about (5:1) [Which sounds like hearsay. At any rate, “they shall be held responsible.”]
7.       Touching an unclean animal (5:2) [NIV translates this as touching “the carcass” of an unclean animal. So if Rover dies, or you’re a worker in a pork plant, you’re in trouble here. Normal penalty.]
8.       Carelessly making an oath (5:4) [Even if you don’t realize you have. Normal penalty.]
9.       Deceiving a neighbour about something trusted to them (6:2) [Return the item and a 20% penalty, plus normal penalty.]
10.   Finding lost property and lying about it (6:3) [Return the item and a 20% penalty, plus normal penalty.]
11.   Bringing unauthorised fire before God (10:1) [God will smite you.]
12.   Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6) [“You will die” and God will be angry at everyone. May only apply to the priesthood.]
13.   Tearing your clothes (10:6) [“You will die” and God will be angry at everyone. May only apply to the priesthood.]
14.   Drinking alcohol in holy places (bit of a problem for Catholics, this ‘un) (10:9) [“You will die.” May only apply to the priesthood.]
15.   Eating an animal which doesn’t both chew cud and has a divided hoof (cf: camel, rabbit, pig) (11:4-7) [“You will be unclean.]
16.   Touching the carcass of any of the above (problems here for rugby) (11:8) [“You will be unclean.”]
17.   Eating – or touching the carcass of – any seafood without fins or scales (11:10-12) [“You will be unclean.”]
18.   Eating – or touching the carcass of – eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (11:13-19) [“You will be unclean.”]
19.   Eating – or touching the carcass of – flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22) [“You will be unclean.”]
20.   Eating any animal which walks on all four and has paws (good news for cats) (11:27) [“You will be unclean.” Also applies to touching their carcasses.]
21.   Eating – or touching the carcass of – the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard,the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon (11:29) [“You will be unclean.”]
22.   Eating – or touching the carcass of – any creature which crawls on many legs, or its belly (11:41-42) [“You will be unclean.”]
23.   Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy (12:4) [Actually, she’s unclean a week, and then another 33 days. Then she has to offer up a sacrifice.]
24.   Going to church within 66 days after giving birth to a girl (12:5) [Actually, she’s unclean a week, and then another 66 days. Then she has to offer up a sacrifice.]
25.   Having sex with your mother (18:7) [The penalty for all the sexual sins in ch. 18 is that the participants are to be “cut off” from their people. Some have additional penalties mentioned below.]
26.   Having sex with your father’s wife (18:8) [In 20:11, both are to be put to death.]
27.   Having sex with your sister (18:9) [In 20:17, if you marry her, both are to be “publicly removed from their people”]
28.   Having sex with your granddaughter (18:10)
29.   Having sex with your half-sister (18:11)
30.   Having sex with your biological aunt (18:12-13) [In 20:19, he will be held responsible for the dishonor.]
31.   Having sex with your uncle’s wife (18:14) [In 20:20, they are held responsible for the dishonor, “they will die childless”]
32.   Having sex with your daughter-in-law (18:15) [In 20:12, both are to be put to death.]
33.   Having sex with your sister-in-law (18:16) [In 20:21, if you marry her, “they will be childless.”]
34.   Having sex with a woman and also having sex with her daughter or granddaughter (bad news for Alan Clark) (18:17) [No specific penalty given, but per 20:14 if you marry both of them, all three of you are to be “burned in fire.”]
35.   Marrying your wife’s sister while your wife still lives (18:18)
36.   Having sex with a woman during her period (18:19) [15:24 simply says the man will be considered unclean for 7 days. In 20:18, “Both of them are to be cut off from their people”]
37.   Having sex with your neighbour’s wife (18:20) [In 20:10, both are to be put to death.]
38.   Giving your children to be sacrificed to Molek (18:21) [In 20:2, the person is to be stoned to death.]
39.   Having sex with a man “as one does with a woman” (18:22) [In 20:13, both are to be put to death.]
40.   Having sex with an animal (18:23) [In 20:15, both are to be killed.]
41.   Making idols or “metal gods” (19:4) [No penalty given.]
42.   Reaping to the very edges of a field (19:9) [To be left for the poor. No penalty given.]
43.   Picking up grapes that have fallen in your  vineyard (19:10) [To be left for the poor. No penalty given.]
44.   Stealing (19:11) [No penalty given.]
45.   Lying (19:11) [No penalty given.]
46.   Swearing falsely on God’s name (19:12) [No penalty given.]
47.   Defrauding your neighbour (19:13) [No penalty given.]
48.   Holding back the wages of an employee overnight (not well observed these days) (19:13) [No penalty given.]
49.   Cursing the deaf or abusing the blind (19:14) [No penalty given.]
50.   Perverting justice, showing partiality to either the poor or the rich (19:15) [No penalty given.]
51.   Spreading slander (19:16) [No penalty given.]
52.   Doing anything to endanger a neighbour’s life (19:16) [No penalty given.]
53.   Seeking revenge or bearing a grudge (19:18) [No penalty given.]
54.   Mixing fabrics in clothing (19:19) [No penalty given.]
55.   Cross-breeding animals (19:19) [No penalty given.]
56.   Planting different seeds in the same field (19:19) [No penalty given.]
57.   Sleeping with another man’s slave (19:20) [“Due punishment,” but not death, just a ram for sacrifice.]
58.   Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it (19:23) [No penalty given. May only apply to fruit trees planted in Israel.]
59.   Practising divination or seeking omens (tut, tut astrology) (19:26) [No penalty, but in 20:6 they will be “cut off from their people” by God. In 20:27, they are to be stoned to death.]
60.   Trimming your beard (19:27) [No penalty given.]
61.   Cutting your hair at the sides (19:27) [No penalty given.]
62.   Getting tattoos (19:28) [No penalty given.]
63.   Making your daughter prostitute herself (19:29) [“The land will turn to prostitution.” No other penalty given.]
64.   Turning to mediums or spiritualists (19:31) [No penalty given.]
65.   Not standing in the presence of the elderly (19:32) [No penalty given.]
66.   Mistreating foreigners – “the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born”  (19:33-34) [No penalty given.]
67.   Using dishonest weights and scales (19:35-36) [No penalty given.]
68.   Cursing your father or mother (punishable by death) (20:9) [Death, as noted.]
69.   Marrying a prostitute, divorcee or widow if you are a priest (21:7,13) [No penalty given.]
70.   Entering a place where there’s a dead body as a priest (21:11) [I.e., if you’re a priest. No penalty given.]
71.   Slaughtering a cow/sheep and its young on the same day (22:28) [May apply only to sacrificial animals. No penalty given.]
72.   Working on the Sabbath (23:3) [No penalty given.]
73.   Blasphemy (punishable by stoning to death) (24:14) [Death.]
74.   Inflicting an injury; killing someone else’s animal; killing a person must be punished in kind (24:17-22) [Killing someone means death. Injuring someone mean punishment in kind. Killing or injuring another’s animal means punishment in kind.]
75.   Selling land permanently (25:23) [No penalty given.]
76.   Selling an Israelite as a slave (foreigners are fine) (25:42) [No penalty given.]

Mr. Clark
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8 months ago
Reply to  Kabloona

Is that fron the Old Testament? Or the koran?

Mr. Clark
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8 months ago
Reply to  Art

“The dems have been calling me a nazi for years. They are wrong. I am a constitutional conservative. So is President Trump, for the most part.”

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OhNoYouDon't
8 months ago

Please site your source. Show is video of him espousing “white supremacy” – TIA

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8 months ago
Reply to  Kris

Not even close to my point. In fact your comment is confirmation of the prediction (not a hard one to make) of “Follow by- well that is also familiar. It will be “Violence is wrong” followed by ten times as many words excusing it.” The words being nothing but a parroting of a series of well worn liberal cliches. But it doesn’t take knowing about him to find the ugliness in their hating.

You are right as far as I never knew much about Kirk. I never indulge in social media except here and that only started because I found the news media is so unprincipled and the only place I had to try to remedy that was here. That ship has clearly sailed but it still try. Even from the dock to which I am consigned.

But now I have read some of his stuff. I don’t totally agree with much so far but I do find kindred ideas in there. For example one of the quotes I heard for the first time was ““Liberals believe in the power of government, conservatives believe in the power of the individual.” –Charlie Kirk” I do think that liberals believe in the power of government to the point of fanaticism. I’m not so sure that there aren’t a few conservatives who believe it too in terms of controlling individuals. But I know I believe that individual’s freedom are the measure whether government is fair or foul. And I know liberals on here consistently confuse minority with individuality and are pretty foul about it.

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Eli Cash
8 months ago
Reply to  Kris

They don’t believe a word of it.

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Lone ranger
8 months ago
Reply to  Kris

Democrats? Are they even in the game? Not right now , they out , got no say on anything. Trump train is steam rolling that powerless party, crack me up.

Eyeball Kid
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8 months ago

Re, “We must be and act as our better selves” …

I know how I must proceed to be better. I stay away from political argument. It isn’t necessary to survive, nor is it of any particular interest to others what I believe. I can only proffer what is best for me, and do my best to not dispense advice. Nobody around here wants any, so save it up for if and when I am asked… which doesn’t happen. I have a genuine regard for how others are doing, and that concern gets sidetracked quick if I slip into pay-attention-to-politics mode. I hope we can keep it together. Me, I’ll be walking the dog, doing what I can to give a shelter animal a secure life.

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8 months ago
Reply to  Eyeball Kid

I understand your position well. Watching on the sidelines locally and nationally, I have not been able to wrap my mind around the approach of dissent.
Walking your dog, especially helping shelter animals, in my opinion, is an exceptional way to chanel this energy.

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Farmer
8 months ago
Reply to  Animal Lover

It is a privilege not to have to continue fighting for your basic human rights in this country. One can, and should, oppose political violence, while also remembering that the man who was killed was a white nationalist who explicitly promoted the “Great Replacement Theory,” a dangerous and divisive narrative that claims white Americans are being deliberately replaced by nonwhite immigrants.
While the Humboldt County Democrats rightly condemned the violence, they also made clear their opposition to Kirk’s ideology, stating: “We fundamentally and categorically disagree with Charlie Kirk’s ideology and rhetoric”. That duality mattersbecause condemning violence should never require sanitizing the legacy of someone who actively spread harmful ideologies.

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8 months ago
Reply to  Farmer

Kirk was a middle of the road Republican. The Overton window has moved so far left in popular dialog anyone right of Obama is now an extremists.

Listern to a conversation with him. He was the moderate voice.

As for the “great replacement theory” it doesn’t matter if you believe it or not. It’s happening in western countries.

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8 months ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

It’s wild that on a continent that experienced genocide many times greater than the Holocaust, the original Indigenous population still makes up a large portion of the people. That genocide resulted in 8 to 16 times more deaths than the Jewish Holocaust. And yet, despite centuries of colonization, erasure, and oppression, Indigenous cultures and communities continue to endure, resist, and shape the identity of this continent. You can’t replace something you pre-existed. #originalpeople

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8 months ago
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Learn to live in harmony with respect for other human beings please.

Ullr Rover
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8 months ago
Reply to  Farmer

One people trying to push out another is the history of mankind. Native American tribes did it to each other all the time. The European tribe happened to be more organized and more technologically advanced.

Farmer
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Farmer
8 months ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Is that what you believe should continue?
because that was the rhetoric that Kirk spread, correct?
White nationalism which is what you are alluding to

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8 months ago
Reply to  Farmer

American exceptionalism.

It’s not something I’m willing to sacrifice. My parents migrated here to participate in American exceptionalism. This is a migration I fully endorse and I don’t care the color of your skin.

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8 months ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

American exceptionalism is and has always been a LIE

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
8 months ago

The USA is the wealthiest, most significant country that has ever existed. That is a historical fact. That is American exceptionalism. It’s why so many in the world want to immigrate here.

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Welt that’s a stretch. Being the last industrial country left standing after WWII is in large part the luck of American isolationism.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
8 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

Look what Japan did post WW2.

Providence or luck… it doesn’t really matter what you call it.

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Kabloona
8 months ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Yes built on the exploitation, subjugation, and genocide of not one, but the indigenous peoples of two continents.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
8 months ago
Reply to  Kabloona

Any one of the indigenous tribes would have exploited every other tribe given the opportunity.

This is not unique to the western expansion.

Kabloona
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Kabloona
8 months ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Sounds like “whataboutism” to me.

Farmer
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Farmer
8 months ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

People don’t immigrate to the U.S. because its exceptional. They come because American imperialism has destroyed and destabilized their homelands. From CIA-backed coups in Latin America to trade policies that decimate local economies, the U.S. has extracted resources, undermined governments, and fueled conflict across the globe. Migration is often a direct consequence of that destruction not a vote of admiration, but a survival strategy. Stop fucking with other people’s homes, stop supporting the drug trade with your cocaine habits, and stop supporting extractive corporate bullshit

Farmer
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Farmer
8 months ago
Reply to  Farmer

European and Western imperialism is not just a chapter in history it’s the root cause of many of today’s global crises. From Africa to Asia to the Americas, colonial powers carved up continents, extracted resources, enslaved populations, and imposed foreign systems that disrupted centuries of Indigenous governance and culture. Borders were drawn with no regard for ethnic or tribal realities, economies were restructured to serve European markets, and resistance was met with brutal repression.
The legacy of this imperialism lives on in poverty, political instability, forced migration, and environmental degradation. Nations that were once self-sufficient were turned into export economies, dependent on global markets they don’t control. Languages were lost, ecosystems were destroyed, and entire societies were reshaped to fit the mold of Western dominance.
To call this “civilization” is to ignore the cost. The wealth of the West was built on the backs of the colonized and the consequences are still unfolding. American Exceptionalism what a joke

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Farmer
8 months ago
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The world is dying because of the legacy of Manifest Destiny and Western imperialism. What began as a doctrine of divine entitlement became a global blueprint for domination, extraction, and environmental collapse. We will all die if this exceptionalist plan continues. The arrogance of conquest has brought us to the brink, and only a radical shift in values can pull us back.

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8 months ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

American exceptionalism is a myth built on conquest. From the displacement of Indigenous peoples to the occupation of foreign lands, the U.S. has operated not as a moral leader but as an imperial force. And in every place it has occupied,whether through military bases, extractive industries, or corporate expansion it has left behind poisoned water, deforested land, and destabilized ecosystems. The stupidity lies not just in the violence, but in the arrogance of believing you can dominate a place while destroying the very ground beneath your feet. Again learn to live with the people and the land you share the world with . Fools

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8 months ago
Reply to  Farmer

I’m no fan of colonialism or the Howard Zinn stats you listed.
I think people should stick to their tribes and their land like native Americans still do in their federally funded tribal ethno-states.
unfortunately, Europeans, like Asians and Arabs before them, did establish empires and colonize outside their ethnic territory through economics, violence and migration.
it is with a heavy heart that thoughtful people study history, but self loathing white liberalism is culturally suicidal in my view.
it is a submissive surrender and a forfeiture of any legitimate claim to exist today in this space called America.
I’m not interested in being part of a mentality that gives other people leverage over you through guilt tripping.
When we list off the wrongs of our own society as an explanation for todays social landscape? that is a expat mentality.
A mentality of a movement that doesn’t fully love their history, genealogy and culture.
we have learned over the last 10 years that many on the left are ashamed to be Americans and of america itself.
its complicated, I get it, but it’s certainly not a winning attitude to be opposed our your own societies founding, and to be incapable of a pride we perhaps allow other ethnicities to celebrate, but we cannot do for ourselves as white liberals in the European colony called America

Art
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8 months ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

They also were just dripping in disease

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
Reply to  Farmer

Disease did most of the killing. So disease is the enemy? That’s a harder row to hoe than just hating other people so I’d guess that would be a no.

There was plenty of genocide in the offing from the original indigenous populations, from Mayan to Chaco, even before they tried to eject the illegal immigrants from Europe. This is not an enduring excuse for the ugliness of that migration but it’s an ugliness recognized too what happens to those who no longer defend their borders.

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8 months ago
Reply to  Farmer

And the Catholic Church killed many more Christians during the middle ages than both put together. That said, all of this was in the distant past. What matters is today. The absolutely Satanic rhetoric of prominent Democrats like the squad, Schiff, Newsom and most Democrats in national, state and local leadership is causing lunatics to try to assassinate Trump, successfully assassinate Charlie Kirk, others to shoot up schools, others to join the “resistance” and take over cities and campuses by riots including vandalism, looting and violent crimes against those they disagree with. There’s Democrat party has indeed become the lawless party.

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8 months ago
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Strange you don’t keep up with independent sources of news which today are revealing the shooter was an alt-right groyper, white mormon, republican gun-toting family. No lawless dems in sight.

Alf
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8 months ago
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His family may be Republican, they may be conservative, but the things written on the shell casings was far left radicalized rhetoric. I have family who, like me, ate conservative. I also have left wing family and we don’t talk about it because of the rhetoric. I believe this kid was likely radicalized by the pathetic education indoctrination system the left has forced into schools.

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8 months ago
Reply to  Farmer

“You can’t replace something you pre-existed. #originalpeople”

-Farmer-

Who is it exactly that you allege are the “original people”…???

Do tell…

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8 months ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Even Obama is not left enough for many Democrats. “The effort to supplant Harris may well signal the last hurrah for Obama having real power in the Democratic Party. Despite all the disrespect from the national media and the political establishment, Kamala Harris is the real leader of the Democrats today — at least, she is the absolute favorite to be the 2028 nominee, if she wants it.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/5252478-obama-democrats-dysfunction/

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8 months ago
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If Kamala is the best the DNC can muster the national party is dead. Obviously, Gavin is pushing for the job, but he’s the only person I can imagine being worse than Kamala.

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8 months ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Gawd help us if that’s ’moderate republican’ speak

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
8 months ago

Have you ever listened to him? Nor snippets and out of context quotes, but actually listened to what he had to say?

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8 months ago
Reply to  Farmer

👏👏👏👏👏

Farce
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8 months ago
Reply to  Animal Lover

Right on!!!

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8 months ago
Reply to  Eyeball Kid

It’s a very privileged position to enjoy the luxury of not paying attention to politics

Eyeball Kid
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8 months ago

I pay attention, but I stay away from political argument. It is a vexation on the soul. For me.

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Dan Bouchard
8 months ago

Yesterday was as 9/11 and Cal poly took down the American flags instead of flying them at half mast so they would not offend people due to the assassination of Charley Kirk I guess the don’t care about the rest of us who might be offended by this action when we should have honored the memory of those lost on 9/11

Quantum Quipster
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8 months ago

We as a nation of interwoven communities have stepped back from the precipice of full on political violence multiple times in the past 80+ years or so. When something as awful as this happens we really need politicians, and leaders of all stripes, to tone down the finger pointing and hate.

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago

We need the press and social media to advertise “stepping back” from extremist rhetoric as a worthwhile value but their bottom line is that not stepping back fuels their bottom line and they won’t. And, having already invested in division, their personal bottom line has already decided to it. So much for independent journalism.

Quantum Quipster
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8 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

Very true. They certainly play a part. The media on both sides. My support of independent journalism manifests in my desire to consume from outlets that fact check every point they publish. I ignore HuffPost and MSNBC as well as Fox and Breightbart. Too many axes being ground. While we can’t expect journalists to not be humans and to have opinions, we can hope their words are independently vetted. The First Amendment protects the free press, including radio, television and the internet, after all.

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago

I didn’t go through all of that but it was not really useful. Below, which I posted before this link showed, doesn’t answer the problem that itself suffers from. I spend way too much time as it is doubling back, searching other sources, raising issue. I do it because it interests me. Most people do not and will not and, frankly shouldn’t have to “fact check” every single news item.

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago

The press of the Constitution does not mean journalists. At the time of the drafting of the Constitution, it was mostly pamphleteers and letters in newspapers that were to be protected. Considering the success of the Revolutionary War they created, the Constitution protects the rabble rouser and the opinionated. Not really the news.

One of the things that is so disheartening about the press is that 90% of the articles purporting to be news and not labeled as editorial opinion are from the same few providers, are republished by various publishing flags but are spun by adding or subtracting various parts. Fox and NBC may run the same article were many of the words are identical but, by they time they snip and paste, it gives an opposite read. They may have the right, there may even be reasonable excuses of time and space for doing it but the result is a dishonest cherry picked slant.

It is not enough to “vet” journalists. They own the vet clinic after all. They need to have and honor as the highest professional value separating their personal values from the their reporting. I don’t need them to “mansplain” news. I need the news itself. At least from somewhere. There is no excuse for having to read the same story from a half dozens sources to piece together what really happened.

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Ahuka 2400
8 months ago

If I ever find a news source that is unbiased I will read it. A lot. But there ain’t no such thang. EVERYBODY has an axe to grind. So I do what I can, and read both MSNBC and Fox and try to discern a kernal of truth, if it exists.

Yabut
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8 months ago
Reply to  Ahuka 2400

I tried Ground or All Sides but in the end it just added another layer to having to read multiple source to sift out facts.

Just now I read a UPI and a NY Post bit on the Kirk assassin. Much of the info was the same but not quite. Post article was full of emotionally charged words and the UPI article was not. So likely any “fact finders” or media bias raters would find the UPI article middle of the road or true and accuse the Post of sensationalism.

But the UPI article repeated ” They said Robinson said Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate” and said “Police were able to find Robinson because Robinson reached out to a family friend who contacted the Washington County Sheriff’s Office.” The Post said “Robinson raged that “Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate,” Cox said, quoting the family pal — who acknowledged he was turned off by the level of vitriol being spewed by the suspect.” and “The father then convinced his son to speak with their youth minister, who also serves as a task force officer with the US Marshals Service. The minister called the FBI and agents later took Robinson into custody.” They both mentioned the “catch this fascist” engraving on one bullet but the Post article listed two further engravings including thebgay reference.

The UPI article thought the friend being “turned off” by the acccused’s speech and the involvement of a minister and the other engravings were not material while the Post not only did that but added the other bullets.. So is UPI “avoiding emotionality ” and cooling delivering the “facts” or are they avoiding triggering the left? Is the Post rabble rousing against the leftbby including facts that UPI avoided? 🤷‍♀️
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2025/09/12/utah-resident-custody-charlie-kirk-shooting/3101757690259/
https://nypost.com/2025/09/12/us-news/tyler-robinson-full-of-hate-before-charlie-kirk-shooting-says-family-friends/

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Farce
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Farce
8 months ago

Yes- and that’s why statements like the one in this article are very important. And appreciated! It is very important that those of us who disagree w what Charlie was promoting should step up and denounce the violence…We need to come together on at least this much or we are lost

Alf
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Alf
8 months ago

What a bunch of lies. Your rhetoric, coming from scumbag politicians like AOC and the rest of the squad, not to mention the many riots you have refused to condemn are the exact reason this happened. The ideology of the left is hate based and will stop at nothing to destroy any opposing opinion. The Democrat Party has become a Satanic cult. You cannot create the monster and then “condemn” his actions. Actions speak loudly, and the far left rhetoric is 100% why these crimes are getting so common. This is a mere publicity stunt with nothing genuine in it at all.

treeman53
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treeman53
8 months ago
Reply to  Alf

Fascism has consistently tried to silence the truth and replace it with state-sanctioned lies and myths, as does the modern-day Democratic Party.

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8 months ago
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🥨
try again

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OhNoYouDon't
8 months ago

Show us where treeman53 is incorrect. Please and thank you.

Kris
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Kris
8 months ago
Reply to  Alf

Case in point. Can’t even get his name right, but telling us what a great guy he was. Spare me.

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
Reply to  Kris

Probably a voice-to-text error but go ahead, make it a big deal. As one guy used to text, there’s always “to marrow.”

Kris
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Kris
8 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

He couldn’t read what he wrote?

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I like stars
8 months ago

It’s sad that so many of the actual individuals who comprise Democrats in Humboldt County are making it clear that, far from condemning the assassination, they celebrate it.

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8 months ago
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I wonder if any of them are in this vid?
So gross. So inhuman.
I think your more normal Democrat has no idea this has been going on a long time, and why they’re getting so much push back. Stop defending this.
https://x.com/tomselliott/status/1966520778276389196

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Art
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8 months ago
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You’ve been excusing all Fascist party violence since J6.

We are following your lead kid.

Fly On The Wall
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8 months ago
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Charlie Kirk was assassinated by a fascist domestic terrorist.

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Art
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Art
8 months ago

That specific arguement holds weight, if you apply it objectively, which you don’t.

All political violence may have fascistic leanings, but that apples to Trump and everyone to do with J6.

If you agree, we agree.

Fly On The Wall
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8 months ago
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I agree that Antifa was involved in J6.

Art
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Art
8 months ago

It couldn’t be antifa if it was profa.

Make sense.

Art
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Art
8 months ago

Antifa led by Trump.

Because MAGA isn’t dripping in fake gold Trump merch obeying every command and excusing every fault.

Right kid. You go with your bad self.

Fly On The Wall
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8 months ago
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Claiming Antifa is anti-fascist is like claiming the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is a democracy.

Antifa’s fascist actions speak for themselves.

Art
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Art
8 months ago

But you did not care that Trump released all the “antifa” J6ers that were in prison.

That’s weird.

Unless the idea that your ideas are iditiotic and NOT BASED are considered

Fly On The Wall
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8 months ago
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I didn’t?

That’s news to me.

Please tell me more about what I think and how I feel.

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago

The Democratic gloating that will happen should Kirk’s assassin be found to have any right wing ties at any point in their life will be the sole topic. This outpouring of public hating that has become so confused with virtue will not be stopped. Compromise, temperance and respect are not as exciting.

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8 months ago
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I mean, it’s possible he was very vocal about releasing the Epstein files. Gloating over someone’s death is distasteful. Gloating over people being racially profiled is distasteful. Gloating over people being run over during demonstrations is distasteful. Being silent when mass casualty events happen at grade schools is distasteful. Equivocating gun violence deaths as an acceptable price to pay for gun ownership is distasteful.

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
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So hate Trump with an irrational level of vehemence That’s no surprise to anyone. But don’t shove everyone who might share some opinions with Trump into the same box of hate and trash them too. That is your problem. Not theirs.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago

Why on Earth is this press release/letter to the editor, located in the “Crime” Section…???

Is that really where it actually belongs…???

Are he “Humboldt County Democrats” really “criminals”…???

Have they allegedly done something illegal, extralegal, and/or, wrong, collectively…???

That seems to be the implication of this articles location…

Or, was it just wrong, (allegedly), to locate this press release in the “Crime” Section…???

And I don’t see where the Humboldt County Democrats, “CALL FOR REFLECTION”, at all…

Where exactly do they say that…???

I’m not seeing it…

I’ve read it repeatedly, and nothing of the sort is to be found…

However, I do see where, in conclusion, the Humboldt County Democrats call only for self improvement…

“We must be and act as our better selves.”

(That’s not a “reflection”, that’s more of an “ambition”…)

But, doesn’t that also mean that,

“[THEY] must [NOT] be and act as [THEIR] [WORST] selves.”…???

I mean, how many different “selves” do they each got…???

They would each have more than one, it would seem/appear…

How about, maybe..

“HUMBOLDT COUNTY DEMOCRATS CONDEMN VIOLENCE, CALL FOR [SELF IMPROVEMENT] FOLLOWING UTAH TRAGEDY”

There, fixed it…

Kris
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Kris
8 months ago
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It’s pretty obvious why it was placed in the crime section.

You are right about people needing self-improvement. > ALL OF US <

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
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“It’s pretty obvious why it was placed in the crime section.”

Then please be so kind as to enlighten me…

Did you do it…???

If not, then how on Earth can you be so sure, of what you haven’t even BEGUN to clearly elucidate… ???

I mean shouldn’t you, at least, first delineate just exactly WHAT it is that you are so sure of…???

As far as this…

“You are right about people needing self-improvement. > ALL OF US <”

Suggesting an edit is one thing, OTHERWISE, maybe try just speaking for yourself, and not anyone, (let alone EVERYONE), else, mmkay…???

When the Humboldt County Democrats said this…

“We must be and act as our better selves.”

I can only presume that they were speaking only of themselves, not others outside their membership and /or group…

They damn sure weren’t speaking for me…

And neither should you, IMO…

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
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Really? That it was a press release from a political party, not law enforcement or a government agency or anyone reporting on the crime and only talks about how they want others to see themselves, even managing to make sure everyone knows they objected tonthe victim’s opinions, means nothing? TRG is right. It’s significant it landed there.

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Kris
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8 months ago
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You two are embarrassing yourselves. Trying to turn this into some earth shattering event. How petty can you get.
Jesus, this petty feud you have going is something else. Especially seeing how you both are the major commentators here. Don’t like how she does things? Click that x at the top of your screen and quit your whining.

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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
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Embarrassing OURselves…???

Again, speak ONLY for YOURselves…!!!

WE are not the ones that have associated The Humboldt County Democrats and/or Ourselves WITHIN THE “CRIME” SECTION OF RHBB…

FREUDIAN SLIP…???

Talk about painting one’s selves with a broad brush…!!!

Kym has located The Position of/and the Press Release of, The Humboldt County Democrats as if it was somehow to be properly considered to be A CRIMINAL MATTER, and you are CONCURRING with her on how she is doing it…???

It’s a very simple question…!!!

Why is this Humboldt County Democrats press release in the CRIME SECTION of REDHEADED BLACKBELT…???

If I was a member of the Humboldt County Democrats, or even simply “A” Humboldt County Democrat, I think that I would find the press release being misfiled in the CRIME section just as objectionable, or more, as it would be to find the press release being misfiled in the CANNABIS section…

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Kris
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8 months ago
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You still are not getting it. It was placed hereto irritate you and Yabut
and it worked.
You got pranked.

You could have politely just asked why and may have even have got a reply if you included an apology.

But nooooo let’s turn it into a full blown rant about Democrats and what you feel is a misplaced article

Kris
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Kris
8 months ago
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Sorry, a bad attempt at humor on my part.

Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
8 months ago
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Not bad at all – you played perfectly on the paranoia of one individual and the narcissism of another — it’s truly astounding the rhetorical gyrations they put themselves through in attempting to “prove” that
Kym has or hasn’t done something they think she should or shouldn’t do — when — for the same amount of time spend shading Kym — they could start their own site and show us how it’s done right!

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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
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Responses to the crime, are NOT crime…

That’s not just my opinion…

That’s a fact…

This Democrat press release specifically mentions the crime…

The HCRP Press Release does not…

So, putting this one under “Crime”, IMO does not in any way justify also putting the HCRP Press Release under “Crime”…

They are unrelated press releases, with entirely different specific content…

RHBB mentioning the specific crime in the HCRP Press Release headline, was/is therefore, also totally unjustified, IMO, because the HCRP Press Release, made no such specific mention of the crime…

ONLY RHBB, did…

And, being a Republican, I object to being labeled a criminal, just because of my political party’s press release, FWIW…

Which probably ain’t much, to RHBB…

Such is life…

But thanks for the opportunity to speak up about it, even though it probably won’t be seriously considered, nor will it probably make any difference…

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
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Now what are you going to do with that completely ruined spoon…???

Reuse it later…???

Bon appetit…

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
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And that would leave the desert of media integrity to those who already have corrupted most of it. Which they would happily embrace. I can take the heat. If you can’t, take your own advice.

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good day to microdose and touch grass
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good day to microdose and touch grass
8 months ago
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I scream you scream…

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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Please, show me specifically where the HCRP Press Releases specifically talking about a crime”, and /or, where the HCRP Press Release says anything specifically about a specific crime, please…

The assassination that was put in the headline unnecessarily, IMO, that is…

That may be your opinion, but it’s not mine…

I read and reread that HCRP Press Release, more than once, just to make sure, looking for where even any specific mention of Charlie Kirk’s “assassination” might, and THERE IS NONE, as a matter of fact…

Only in THE RHBB HCRP press release headline is the specific crime of assassination ever mentioned at all…

That’s where it goes awry, IMO…

Otherwise, you see, it has no business in the “crime” section, at all…

It’s a press release about free speech, and that’s IT…

And there is absolutely NO crime in that, Kym Kemp…

That’s why, it should have been placed in the press release section, IMO, not in the crime section…

Have you checked with the HCRP, to see if they are ok with their press release being arbitrarily and unilaterally put into the crime section…???

I really wonder about that…

Doesn’t that matter at all…???

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Good attempt at loaded remark. If I criticize, it will fulfill your negative assertion that I always do. If I don’t, you win your point by default.

In reality I don’t always criticize but when I do, you should save work by assuming that I know you are pressed for time, have a stressful life and have no help. You said so very many, many times. At length. Making a personal remark about me then asserting I’m personally attacking you if I respond is also kind of old.

Hello? Tempest in a teapot much?

Apopa
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Apopa
8 months ago

Utah caught the maggot, and soon they will be warming up the electric chair.

Thanks for proving our point!
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Thanks for proving our point!
8 months ago
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So murder for murder?
got it

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago

Anyone who thinks the result of a legal court case,no matter how much they object to the punishment, is equivalent to a crime is confused about more than etymology.

Espino
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Espino
8 months ago

You bet, and the only problem I have is they’re dispatched in such a comfortable manner. Oh by the way, no executed murderer has ever repeated their crime.

Espino
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Espino
8 months ago

A state sanctioned execution of a murderer, adjudicated by a jury of his-her peers is NOT murder, it’s justice. When a person callously takes the life of another they deserve to die.

Bill Hogoboom
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8 months ago
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Utah and federal law enforcement were chasing their tails. Utah didn’t catch anything, his family turned him in.

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
Reply to  Bill Hogoboom

You don’t know that. You just want to say it.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago

“No one in this country, in this day and age, should be a victim of gun violence.”

Tell me, (setting “should” aside), what “would” have happened if law enforcement would have located/confronted the armed assassin on the rooftop, just before, or just after Charlie Kirk’s assassination…

Would legitimate gun violence by law enforcement towards the armed assassin have very likely ensued…???

Would that have “victimized” the assassin…???

Or would it have been justifiable…???

Maybe The Humboldt County Democrats should have instead said…

“No one in this country, in this day and age, should be a victim of [UNJUSTIFIABLE] gun violence.”

(There, fixed it…)

But, why single out condemning ONLY “gun” violence …

That’s some politically selective bullshit…

Let me try once more…

“No one in this country, in this day and age, should be a victim of [UNJUSTIFIABLE] violence, [OF ANY KIND].”

(There, that’s even better…)

The Humboldt County Democrats, seem to be implying that they are AOK with violence OF EVERY OTHER KIND, as long as it isn’t “gun violence”…

And that is just anti-gun, WACKO-NESS…!!!

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farfromputin
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8 months ago

Utah LEOs and FBI have a 22-year-old suspect in custody as of this morning, who a family member turned in.

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Allen
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8 months ago
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It seems he’s anti-Fascist and Bella Ciao was engraved on bullets found at the scene.

farfromputin
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8 months ago
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How tormented the talented.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
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As Hot Coffee use to so eloquently say…

“Link please, evidence please”…

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
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Used to say sadly

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Angela Robinson
8 months ago
Reply to  Allen

Also “If you read this, you are gay LMAO” and also “Notices, bulges, OwO what’s this?” which, from what I’ve read is some edgelord meme about horny furries..or something.

edited to add one link for those who don’t use Google. There are quite a few others as well.

https://www.livenowfox.com/news/messages-found-tyler-robinsons-bullet-casings-what-said

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Allen
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Allen
8 months ago

The words  “Hey fascist! Catch”was also reported on one.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
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“The words  “Hey fascist! Catch”was also reported on one.”

-Allen-

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The words  “Hey fascist! Catch”was also reported on one what?

Bullet…???

Fired cartridge case …???

Unfired cartridge case…???

farfromputin
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8 months ago
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spent cartridge

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
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“It seems he’s anti-Fascist and Bella Ciao was engraved on bullets found at the scene.”

-Allen-

That’s incorrect, Allen…

(It’s wrong.)

Although there is reportedly some “OWO” type inscription on “the bullet fired”, the “Bella Ciao” inscription that you describe was reportedly not found on a “bullet”, it was reportedly found on an “unfired casing”…

(Associated with a bolt action Mauser model 98, caliber 30:06 with Scope…)

(I don’t care what anyone else says, that kind of shot at 200 yards was by no means pulled off by an amateur…

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-shooting-weapon-mauser-bolt-action-rifle/86110091007/

Allen
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Allen
8 months ago
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Oh dear such a huge mistake. The shame. The horror.
Completely changed the whole issue.

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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
Reply to  Allen

You were wrong…

I know, the horror of actually admitting it…!!!

Yes, the issue is the truth.

And what you said wasn’t the truth.

Allen
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Allen
8 months ago
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Oh no,I am so sorry I wasn’t up on the nomenclature of ammunition.
I will start subscribing to Guns & Ammo.

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Bill Hogoboom
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8 months ago
Reply to  Allen

Study up a bit and you’ll be able to replace the network twit who said yesterday that the murder weapon was a “bolt action assault rifle”.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
Reply to  Allen

First just try providing links…

It’s been the standard for evidence here for many years…

Maybe it was just your source that was wrong, not you…???

It’s possible…

That’s just one of the benefits of actually providing links…

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Tawney
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Tawney
8 months ago
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It seems to me in light of what happened that where the words were written was not near as important as what was written.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
Reply to  Tawney

You draw the line where you wish, and let me decide where I will draw the line, mmkay…???

What exactly was written about where exactly what was exactly written was written exactly, might not be important to you, but it’s definitely important to me…

Details matter…

The idea that something initially written on a bullet somehow recovered at the scene which was actually fired and also involved in an assassination would still be legible in any way, (especially many words), was credibly disqualifying to anything else said…

Im still waiting to hear that this guy meticulously reloaded his own ammo…

And I’d also wager on my hunch that the bullets that remain in the inscription covered unspent cartridges found with the gun, are “boat tails”…

What grain they are would only be a guess…

150 -170…???

Cedar
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Cedar
8 months ago
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My Google earth measure has it at 132 yards. I really don’t think its that crazy of a shot for someone whos been shooting guns for years

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
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Someone that has been shooting guns for years is no amateur…

A Mauser bolt action rifle is known for its accuracy, and extra expensive…

A tool for the serious, dedicated shooter/hunter…

This kid was spoiled rotten, IMO…

I’m not saying this guy was a military marksman or sniper, only that he was not inexperienced…

And 132 yards is uncorroborated…

But, yes, if it was 132 yards, that would be much less impressive.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he hand loaded his own hunting/target ammunition for improved accuracy…

Cedar
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Cedar
8 months ago
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Measure it yourself, Google earth/maps is free. Seems pretty accurate to me, the football field near the college measures exactly 100yards

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farfromputin
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8 months ago
Reply to  Cedar

Don’t forget, he’s 22 years old. We have no information on how he became an expert riffleman in a relatively short time. We’re not born with this skill, knowledge, and ability.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
8 months ago
Reply to  farfromputin

There was nothing about this shot that was expert. 200 yards is not a long shot with a rifle.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Expert, maybe not…

There is nothing about this shot that shouts, amateur…!!!

And if he wasn’t shaking like a leaf, he’s got much bigger, more insurmountable problems than poor marksmanship…

Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
8 months ago
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Twelve year old deer hunters routinely make that shot, often while shooting off-hand and at a moving target — anyone who thinks the killer must have had some special level of expertise knows nothing about how easy it is to become proficient with firearms.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
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That’s complete bullshit…!!!

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
8 months ago
Reply to  Allen

“It seems he’s anti-Fascist and Bella Ciao was engraved on bullets found at the scene.”

-Allen-

You need to get your facts straight…

Nothing was inscribed on any “bullets”…

https://www.livenowfox.com/news/messages-found-tyler-robinsons-bullet-casings-what-said

‘Messages found on suspect Tyler Robinson’s bullet casings:’

‘What they said’

RELATED: Charlie Kirk shooting suspect identified as Tyler Robinson

“Messages on a fired bullet casing said, “Notices, bulges, OwO what’s this?” ”

“Inscriptions were also found on three unfired casings.

The first one read, “Hey fascist! Catch!” with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows.

The second one said, “Oh Bella, ciao, bella, ciao Bella ciao ciao ciao.”

The third one read, “If you read this, you are gay LMAO” “

Tangled Massocells
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Tangled Massocells
8 months ago

A bit late for Kirk’s wife and children. I suggest you reign in the Progressive Socialist arm of your party and their violent rhetoric and ideology. You have done your part to foster the fascist- racist etc. speech. Not everyone is a fascist – racist etc. because the stereotyping suits political goals. Think about that! Freedom of Speech has consequences that includes the indoctrinated and the self righteous that believe murder and assassination is virtuous! The evidence is commonplace on this website in the comments posted.

Lone ranger
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Lone ranger
8 months ago

When will everyone realize politics is so corrupt its purely entertainment at this point. Big campaign fund equals big time corrupt. Simple problem with a simple fix, just waiting for the rest of the nation to figure it out.

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
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Death is not an entertainment for sane people and that is where all this crap is heading. If not already there.

I’m not sure what you think the “simple fix” is but some people can be corrupted big time for $100, so it’s not just big campaign funding. PACs are supposedly not funding campaigns nor does the IRS allow tax deductions for them but somehow this tax deductible money ends up doing just that. Maybe we’re better off just allowing money to go directly there.

Lone ranger
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Lone ranger
8 months ago
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Term limits, lifers are the biggest problem and all donations go to a general fund where they are dispersed equally. May the best person win.

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
Reply to  Lone ranger

I think just the opposite. Maybe the best person to win is the one who has termed out. A bad representative can be voted out but a good one at the end of his terms can’t be voted to continue. Term limits has actually made the California State legislature far worse.

And as for a donation ending up in the campaign of someone I loathe… Deus ex machina solutions are never a good idea. They take away choice.

Lone ranger
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Lone ranger
8 months ago
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A politician should acquire the same amount of money as the Pope while in politics. You take the greed out of politics and you’ll see these lifers that are 60, 70 and 80 hang it up, crack me up.

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
Reply to  Lone ranger

If you could take the greed out of politics. It’s simply not possible and never has been and pursuing it is worse than futile. That fantasy is the sort of idea socialists and communists require to function.

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
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And why they always turn into dictatorships or collapse.

Lone ranger
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Lone ranger
8 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

Harsh reality, no government has lasted very long. History has proved that all governments change over time.

Bill Hogoboom
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8 months ago
Reply to  Lone ranger

The pope is a piss poor example of poverty.

Art
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Art
8 months ago

I’m reflecting ….on the fact that Humboldt Dems didn’t make a collective statement on the release of J6 terrorists.

Cedar
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Cedar
8 months ago
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You’ve used the “what about J6?!” Excuse over 10x now.
Reminds me of zionest saying “what about oct 7th!?” Everytime the IDF commits another atrocity.

farfromputin
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8 months ago
Reply to  Art

Donald pardoned the J6 rioters who were charged with crimes.

Bill Hogoboom
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8 months ago
Reply to  farfromputin

Convicted of crimes, federal felonies.

Farce
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Farce
8 months ago

THIS is the most reasonable thing I’ve read from our local DEMs in a long time. Thank you! I agree. Dissent and debate are American as apple pie. Let us argue, even sometimes insult …but not kill each other!
C’mon brothers and sisters….

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
Reply to  Farce

Really? You don’t find the “fundamentally and categorically disagree with Charlie Kirk’s ideology and rhetoric” part sort of makes it sound grossly disingenuous?

good day to microdose and touch grass
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good day to microdose and touch grass
8 months ago
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Disparaging remarks are sacrosanct when giving regards for the dead, we all know that!

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Lone ranger
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Lone ranger
8 months ago

Its all good, republicans have the house the senate and the orange man owns the supreme court. Its orange man’s way or the highway for the next 3 years. Could always switch teams

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
Reply to  Lone ranger

Only til mid terms.

Lone ranger
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Lone ranger
8 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

Orange man only needs another 6 months, his team has been patiently waiting and preparing for this for the last 4 years. Get the popcorn , the show is just getting started.

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
Reply to  Lone ranger

Although Trump has conduction the political equivalent of a blitzkrieg and it was certainly planned, as many military experts repeat, no plan survives contact with the enemy.

Lone ranger
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Lone ranger
8 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

The only enemy Trump is targeting is over regulation, and he is destroying it to the core as we type. Another 6 months and he will have annihilated 20 years of green policy set forth by the democratic party, bye bye green policy , crack me up.

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
Reply to  Lone ranger

I’d take a bet on that being not the result a the point of the next election. If I could find an honest man to judge the winner and hold the money.

You know what the result of the Reagan push for government reduction was? The reductions mostly, almost exclusively in fact, took place in government fraud self-nvestigations and enforcement. The rest of the government carried on only without the checks that used to be in place.

Lone ranger
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Lone ranger
8 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

When you gut the green policy like Trump has and open the door for cooperations to sue the state for overstepping it tends to slow down it happening again. Nothing like 30 entities suing one group, tends to make a group timid or just leave.

Espino
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Espino
8 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

And what effect (outcome) do you think events like this will have on the mid-term election. Every murder the left commits is another chink in their armor.

Bill Hogoboom
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8 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

Lord willing and the creeks don’t rise.

farfromputin
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8 months ago
Reply to  Lone ranger

Loyalty is far more important for Donald than job competence, eg Kash Patel’s initial investigation of the Kirk tragedy was botched (two innocent people charged), and Donald didn’t even notice..

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
Reply to  farfromputin

And here we go. Trump, Trump, Trump.

Espino
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Espino
8 months ago
Reply to  farfromputin

They were not “charged”, they were briefly detained and released.. Stop making stuff up. But alas, that’s what the hate Trump crowd does best, void of the truth.

farfromputin
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8 months ago
Reply to  Espino

OMG!!

Bill Hogoboom
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8 months ago
Reply to  farfromputin

No. Two people were detained, questioned and released. Neither was arrested or charged.

treeman53
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treeman53
8 months ago

Charlie Kirk’s message was always open to the public,and Charley invited anyone and everyone to the front to discuss differences peacefully. You will not see Charley Kirk’s supporters burning, looting, and being violent like so many of the radical far left do.

Espino
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Espino
8 months ago
Reply to  treeman53

Remarkable, but predictable, when you don’t have a cogent response just burn down your town. Liberal logic 101

Yabut
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Yabut
8 months ago
Reply to  treeman53

But will others do so in his name?

Espino
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Espino
8 months ago
Reply to  Yabut

No they won’t.

Kicking Bull
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Kicking Bull
8 months ago

history is written by the hidden hand
but we can carry signs and issue statements
https://youtu.be/YIoa1irpReQ

farfromputin
Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Kicking Bull

Cool comment. It mocks man thinking, “I’m in control”.

George
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George
8 months ago

What happened to Mr. Kirk was detestable. He had every right to speak his mind in this country. Too bad that much of what he said was disgusting and unhinged.

Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
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Maverick Rhoyd Chief Alpha 1, Liberty Enforcement
8 months ago

First rule here: I’m in charge of the comment section. It’s because of my natural leadership anilibities.
You seem like a good sidekick, but stay in your lane for a few laps and I’ll lead you to glory. I enjoy owning the Libs, and deciding they’re wrong. Welcome

Art
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Art
8 months ago

Why did I get put on mod?

Art
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Art
8 months ago

Did the owner really take down an entire conversation of NAZI being fascist conversation?

The fuck are you on?

Art
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Art
8 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

What was the insult?

And why did you erase 24 comments?

Art
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Art
8 months ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

You could’ve just edited out one fucking word.

You really are intolerable

Zipline
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Zipline
8 months ago

Or not.

Zipline
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Zipline
8 months ago

Enjoy yourselves.

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