COVID-19 variant in CA, right on time for summer spike

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A clinical lab scientist works with COVID-19 test samples in a lab at the Sonoma County Department of Public Health on June 8, 2021. [Photo by Anne Wernikoff, CalMatters]

Stanford scientists have recently confirmed California’s first known infection of a highly transmissible COVID-19 variant, known as NB.1.8.1. Detected in the state as early as April 17, its symptoms do not appear to be any more severe than earlier strains so far, and because NB.1.8.1 is an Omicron variant, the latest vaccines should provide some immunity.

But NB.1.8.1 is more infectious: The strain has been spreading throughout Asia and Europe, and is responsible for the latest surge of infections in China. In addition to California, it has been reported in international visitors traveling through airports in Washington, New York and Virginia. Separate from airport travelers, the variant has also been reported in Ohio, Rhode Island and Hawaii.

Amid news of this latest strain, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration said Tuesday it will limit COVID-19 vaccine eligibility to people ages 65 and older, and people who are at high risk for severe infections. In an article published last week in The New England Journal of Medicine, FDA officials said that “the benefit of repeat dosing — particularly among low-risk persons … is uncertain.”

Historically the vaccine has been available to almost all people ages 6 months and older, and the new policy means that the FDA is no longer recommending the vaccine to healthy children and pregnant women. The FDA is led by Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who has had a history of spreading widely debunked anti-vaccination views.

The FDA’s rule change comes two months after the California Department of Public Health said that President Donald Trump’s administration terminated more than $700 million in public health grants related to COVID-19 response.

Though there is no longer a pandemic, infections do tend to spike during the summer, with California seeing some of its highest surges last summer. More than 101,000 Californians have died from COVID-19 and more than 1 million Americans have died — exceeding by a wide margin American service member casualties in every war combined.

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Allen
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Allen
1 year ago

The FDA may not be recommending it but the CDC is still advocating for children and pregnant women to get the vaccine. Pregnant women are especially vulnerable.
Even the CDC was confused when RFK made the announcement. Keep in mind that RFK jr is a crackpot, and what he says is often in conflict with the medical community.

CDC blindsided as RFK Jr. changes covid-19 vaccine recommendations
Agency officials were not aware that the HHS secretary was going to change the recommended vaccine schedule.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2025/05/28/vaccines-cdc-rfk-jr-covid/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

I will say a certain amount of herd immunity has been reached and it seems these later variants are not as deadly, so healthy adults can get by without the vaccine.
But it is still recommended for those vulnerable.
Bottom line is it’s your choice, but don’t put down others that do get it.

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James
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James
1 year ago
Reply to  Allen

RFK is one strange ranger.
I agree not to criticize folks who get a COVID vaccine. Some commenters on RHBB have denounced MRNA vaccine technology as reason enough not to take the shot; that “one and done” vaccines are somehow better? There is no scientific proof there’s safety issues, full stop.

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago
Reply to  James

People motivated by fear, lack of education and distrust are incapable of listening to even reasonable objections from opposing views. Both sides- vaccine supporters and antivaxxers are quite willing throw facts to the wind in the rush to silence opposition. Certainly their desire to seek absolutes as “proof” they are right, although never the same absolute, is commonly shared. Hello? Almost nothing is absolute in real life.
A big hitch in the getalong is that disease is rarely amenable to politics and it is foolish to think of science as some ivory tower immune to it. Of course it is equally stupid to think that every scientist is in the control of corporations to make profit. It’s a mix. As always there’s a bit of right and a bit of wrong in both positions.
So James, that idea of not critizing people either way is very rational at this point.

james
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james
1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

Agreed 💯
I wasn’t trying to criticize anyone, and if I sounded that way I apologize.

Thought Prophet
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Thought Prophet
1 year ago
Reply to  James

AGREED!
mind your F*#%ing business
if you were a scientist telling me there’s no safety issues with rampant toxic food supply, no safety issue with childhood heart issues, adult obestify, fluoride added to the water for stupid people with sugar addictions, or any of the other blatant things on earth that science just can seem to identify as having safety issues, I would politely tell you to STFU…and I’d warn you that your words were borderline hate speech and I don’t have tolerance for hate speech.

Unvaxxed and Overtaxed
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Unvaxxed and Overtaxed
1 year ago
Reply to  Allen

Well, depending on where you look on the CDC website, they actually have conflicting info. Updated January 31,2025, and it says “for everyone” (pregnant) they only recommend TDap and Flu vaccine for pregnant women. However, if you search up Covid vaccine specifically, the outdated recommendation to get the vaccine is still up. This is BS and confusing to people who genuinely care about their babies. More politicization than public healthcare, IMO..
here’s the link that only recommends TDap and Flu vaccine while pregnant, along with a list of dont’s. Covid vax is not mentioned at this link as neither recommended or not recommended. 🤷‍♂️. Makes me lose trust in the CDC for sure.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/about/pregnancy.html

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Unvaxxed and Overtaxed
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Unvaxxed and Overtaxed
1 year ago

To add…. If you scroll down and click a few links on the page that I linked, it does actually take you to a page dated June 24, 2024, clearly outdated, and recommends the Covid Vax. You have to click on “vaccines during pregnancy “ at the second page after you click the link that I corcled. Very confusing and outdated!

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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Allen

Keep in mind that President Donald J Trump was ENTIRELY responsible for “Operation Warp Speed”, the turbo rushed development rollout of the unquestionably insufficiently tested initial covid vaccines…
But, now that the COVID 19 vaccine sycophants and aficionados are so enamored by the jab jamboree, and still so foolishly and selfishly believe that other people continuing to get the Covid vaccine will continue to protect THEMSELVES, and so, they all want the perfectly healthy individuals to be fooled into still taking what they won’t admit, and/or don’t even care, are the increasingly less and less effective covid vaccines, with their ever increasing risk, just by the correlative increase in number of foolishly recommended doses…

Squirrel
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Squirrel
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

True that, Boomers demanded everyone else get vaccinated so they could go about life unfettered, didn’t give a damn if the risk/reward tradeoff justified vaccinating the younger and healthy. And they demanded lockdowns, school closures, wasted trillions – selfish oldsters don’t care beyond their short remaining lifespan.

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LiberaLunacy
1 year ago
Reply to  Squirrel

Yep! And the Leftist Lunatics spread misinformation about the efficacy of the vaccines developed under The Trump Administration during the 2020 campaigns.
Then, the Biden administration* started telling everyone to get the jab! Vaccinate! Even the Brussels Sprout occupying the Oval Office when he wasn’t taking a nap or on vacation said the vaccines provided immunity to COVID-19.
Boomers and Democrats… liars, grifters and narcissists.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/563771-guess-who-undermined-public-confidence-in-vaccines/amp/

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fishkiller
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fishkiller
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

“MAGA jabs”

Jim
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Jim
1 year ago
Reply to  Allen

Thanks doc…oh, wait.

Big Rick
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Big Rick
1 year ago

You guys don’t see The coincidence and the correlation here?

Mr. Clark
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1 year ago

OR how to sell big pharma to fearful victims. Glad these big pharmas got defunded by Trump. But CDC?

Squirrel
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Squirrel
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

We’ve been over this thoroughly just the other day, TRG provided extensive documentation that more than 80% of health care professionals have refused covid boosters, even before the change in recommended vaccine schedule, the other 20% are lost liberals waiting to be told what to think. This isn’t a difficult decision, if the preponderance of medical community have concluded the benefit/risk of covid vaccines warrants avoidance, despite what DC and legacy media say, then who in the world would continue to stick that experimental vaccine in their arm?

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Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago
Reply to  Squirrel

None of that is accurate. And antigovernment antivaxxers are likely to believe some blogger living on welfare in their mother’s basement if it supports their fears.

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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

What exactly about it isn’t accurate…???

In fact, the study, as reported by the CDC itself, with links I provided, actually showed that over 87% of the Licensed Independent Practitioners surveyed, /( (the actual doctors and nurses), elected NOT to receive the 2022/2023 COVID-19 Booster…

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Since I have dedicated way too much of my time in the last five years researching information to counter anti vaxxer’s irrational interpretations of just about everything, I won’t do another deep dive into it now.
That “Licensed Independent Practicers” is an odd selection to survey at any given point. Sounds like a deliberate choice to create spin. It simply takes too much time to investigate each of the study creators only to find they are publicly organized well known vaccine skeptics too.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

I will make it easy for you…

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7343a2.htm
‘Coverage with COVID-19 Vaccination: Acute Care Hospitals’
“Among approximately 8.0 million health care personnel working in 4,112 acute care hospitals, 2023–2024 COVID-19 vaccination coverage was 15.3% overall.”
Screenshot, below, showing that over 87.3% of LIP’s, (doctors and nurses), not having elected to receive the 2023/2024 covid vaccine booster, in the same study, is from The Hill, not the above link…

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Tim
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Tim
1 year ago
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From your link:
 In addition, a recent survey of health care personnel indicated that, although personnel believe that COVID-19 is a serious health threat, they have low confidence in the effectiveness, safety, and benefit of COVID-19 vaccination (8). In one study, health care personnel who felt sufficiently informed about the COVID-19 vaccine were 10 times more likely to receive COVID-19 vaccination and four times more likely to recommend the vaccine to their patients (9). This finding suggests that if vaccines are readily available, education might play an important role in improving vaccine confidence and vaccination coverage.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Tim

Yep…

“they have low confidence in the effectiveness, safety, and benefit of COVID-19 vaccination”

Pretty much sums it up…

Thought Prophet
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Thought Prophet
1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

“Since I have dedicated way too much of my time in the last five years researching information to counter anti vaxxer’s irrational interpretations of just about everything,”
if you aren’t in top physical shape, you should stop reading about ways to convince people how to live their lives.
go exercise eat better and focus on your family… our legacy depends on what our kids and grandkids will do long after we are gone.
strong and disciplined warriors
the less they do what unelected government bureaucracy tells them will decide whether they are wage slaves hanging off governments every word

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lol
1 year ago
Reply to  Squirrel

Over 80% of doctors have received COVID posters. If you don’t count others who are considered “health care professionals” the stat is very very different.

Squirrel
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Squirrel
1 year ago
Reply to  lol

TRG will be along to educate you on a moment

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  lol

What, exactly, are “covid posters”…???

Are those like “frequent flyers”…???

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  lol

Actually, you have it totally backwards…

Statistically, of 2,256,858 Licensed Independent Practitioners surveyed, over 87.3% of those,”doctors”, actually HAVE NOT received 2023/2024 COVID boosters…
Who are you trying to actually fool and deceive, and why are you actually trying to fool and deceive them…???

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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Fat finger correction…

That should say, “1,256,858”, not “2,256,858”…
My apologies…

Bozo
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Bozo
1 year ago

COVID-19… now just another ‘natural’ flu virus.

(.3%) of the infected population died. (USA)
(7%) of the infected population got ‘long covid’.
(.002%) of mostly young males reported cardiac events after 2nd dose.

Produced worldwide panic.
— probably
Lapse in security in the Wunan Lab caused release. (Sold the animals in the wild market.)
Next virus might have a 20% kill rate.

Big question…do we continue research ?

Dunno.

Squirrel
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Squirrel
1 year ago
Reply to  Bozo

Next virus might have a 0.2% kill rate, or a 50% kill rate, naturally evolved viruses tend to be the former and the latter certainly man made viruses. Stop extremely risky gain of function experiments, best means is to prosecute and impose lengthy imprisonment of those responsible for COVID-19, starting with Fauci. Crimes Against Humanity are dealt with severely.
#Nuremberg2.0

Squirrel
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Squirrel
1 year ago
Reply to  Squirrel

Robert F Kennedy Jr says heads of medical journals are coming forward to say it’s all Big Pharma propaganda now
“We are no longer science journals. We are about promoting pharmaceutical products and that’s what we do”
This is the state of global healthcare. It’s ALL for profit
https://x.com/WallStreetApes/status/1928157149995082071?t=IVbU-hnwa73U9TylXm3ycA&s=19

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
1 year ago
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https://wapo.st/45wdA6A

(Gift article from me) excerpt:

White House MAHA Report may have garbled science by using AI, experts say
Some of the citations that underpin the science in the White House’s sweeping “MAHA Report” appear to have been generated using artificial intelligence, resulting in numerous garbled scientific references and invented studies, AI experts said Thursday.
Of the 522 footnotes to scientific research in an initial version of the report sent to The Washington Post, at least 37 appear multiple times, according to a review of the report by The Post. Other citations include the wrong author, and several studies cited by the extensive health report do not exist at all, a fact first reported by the online news outlet NOTUS on Thursday morning.
Some references include “oaicite” attached to URLs — a definitive sign that the research was collected using artificial intelligence. The presence of “oaicite” is a marker indicating use of OpenAI, a U.S. artificial intelligence company.

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Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago

AI is a seductive mental prostitute. It will only look to give people making inquiries what they want to hear. Yet, despite the cost to public resources, it is a cheap and popular way to impress by volume rather than quality.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

It’s also been said that AI “Hallucinates”, does that mean that it has “AHA moments” that are just figments of it’s “collective” imagination…???

Hers a good question for AI, Yabut, if, like you say, it’s “a mental prostitute”…

Ask AI…

” In order to “tell” “users” what they want to “hear”, ‘Does AI fake orgasms’…???”

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

A common hallmark of AI chatbots, such as ChatGPT, is unusually repetitive content that does not sound human or is inaccurate — as well as the tendency to “hallucinate” studies or answers that appear to make sense but are not real.

It’s like the six or four or whatever fingers AI does when making images.

I know for a fact that AI messes up. When I do a simple search for a specific place or name, often it keeps giving me either in the incorrect or weirdly skewed information that it can’t get past. Not political stuff, just something like the location of a lake. Don’t get me started on geology. No one should depend on AI for correct information

It’s six fingers of information.

Bozo
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Bozo
1 year ago
Reply to  Squirrel

IMHO: Eh ?

Toxic substances, Bacterial Infections, Fungal experiments and the finally Virus experiments, have been going on since the early 1900’s.
Then the USA really ramped up their research efforts during/after WWII.
Post WWII experiments (CIA) involved Meth, LSD, and other drugs.
Some folks fount out… then was ‘back-door’ publicized later on.

During the 1980’s, after Ebola, and AIDS emerged on the world, many governments enlarged their virus research… and (sometimes) co-operated with other countries.
This is what happened in the COVID-19 release.
Co-op research was engaged between USA/Canada/China.
Then China had a break down in security in the Wuhan lab. (Oops.)

Elected officials from both Reps and Dems were (quietly) involved in the USA.
This goes ‘way back’… Fauci is just a link in the ‘chain’ of events.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Squirrel

naturally evolved viruses tend to be the former and the latter certainly man made viruses

Yeah, those evil scientists in the 14th century created the Black Death.

They also created the “Spanish” Flu over a century ago.

Or my personal “favorites”: Smallpox, measles, and European childhood diseases in the New World from the 17th century. Killed half or more of the population of the “Hurons” (Wendat) in 30 years.

I despair for American education anymore.

Farce
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Farce
1 year ago

Wait a minute!!! WHAT??!!
In an article published last week in The New England Journal of Medicine, FDA officials said that “the benefit of repeat dosing — particularly among low-risk persons … is uncertain….?????
Yeah- Some of us were trying to say this way back there and Boy- did we get called some names! So…Suck on it y’all!

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago
Reply to  Farce

At some point in the past it was not true. It was at best an unknown and, as the booster were very safe and there was evidence that, at least at some point, supported by statistics, that indicated boosters made contracting covid less serious, medical advice was to go for it even it it was not yet clear. Medical advice changed because both knowledge and the disease itself changed. No medical advice is a one and done thing. It should change to fit a changing situation.
It’s like wearing seatbelts- a person may announce that they drive all the time without using one and haven’t died yet. But that is not true for everyone all the time and the very reason statistics can’t be ignored.

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lol
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lol
1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

Your comment is like this back of reason awash in a sea of stupidity.

Squirrel
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Squirrel
1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

Tell that to young people died from cardiac arrest after covid vaccination and the manufacturer knew of that heart risk early on but didn’t provide a warning. Why? Because injecting people boosted their profits while they enjoyed immunity from liability.

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago
Reply to  Squirrel

They did. But looking for it needed looking into statical studies- something anti vaxxers avoid at all costs even now.
Hello? Covid itself created heart inflammation and, if the vaccines reduced the severity of covid, vaccines saved lives by making that reaction less severe and less common. What anti vaxxers refuse to acknowledge is that most vaccine reactions are simply the same reactions diseases themselve cause but at reduced level and less common way.

Thought Prophet
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Thought Prophet
1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

“What anti vaxxers refuse to acknowledge is that most vaccine reactions are simply the same reactions diseases themselve cause but at reduced level and less common way.”
https://www.sirillp.com/vaccine-injury-court-a-unique-legal-system/
if you follow Aaron Siri and his multiple year lawsuits specifically Dealing with vaccine testing and efficacy and injury, you might have some reservations about the increased volume for the childhood schedule. The question RFK points out, what is causing increased rates of autism, if it’s not vaccines, then why aren’t we dealing with it?
the government is protecting pharmaceutical companies from the damage and injury their products cause, while injured children and parents are directed to a tax payer funded , Vaers, which like most insurance companies…will find reasons not to pay out. This erodes confidence in people who have dealt with vaccine injuries and the ugly buyers remorse from wishful thinking.
if you ever attempted to tell the a parent of a vaccine injured child, that the vaccine didn’t cause the injury, you’d be a shitty human being.

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago

However the advocate group Autism Speaks says exactly that it is mostly only coincidence that autism is diagnosed at the same time as vaccination. “There is no connection between vaccines and autism. Autism is often diagnosed around the same time children receive routine vaccinations, which has led to concerns about a connection—but decades of scientific research have confirmed that vaccines do not cause autism. In fact, vaccines play a crucial role in protecting children from serious diseases like measles. Explore the research on vaccines and autism.”
They also add a section on research into what causes autism that apparently is not good enough for RFK. “Research tells us that autism tends to run in families, and a meta-analysis of 7 twin studies claim that 60 to 90% of the risk of autism comes from your genome. If you have a child with autism, you are more likely to have another autistic child. Your other family members are also more likely to have a child with ASD.”
Are they shitty people too? The point is to be assured whether vaccination caused the injury or not. It’s not to make parents feel validated about what they feel is the cause.

Thought Prophet
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Thought Prophet
1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

health is your birthright. Health is your natural state. Health is a gift given you by the Almighty.
Don’t let a con-man with a cabinet full of pills, potions, & poisons teach you otherwise.Medicine is a racket. Religion is a racket. War is a racket. Usury is a racket. Living off the taxpayer, retiring early in luxury at 52, & forcing the masses to slave away til age 67 is a racket! Ever notice? The whole damned world’s run on rackets. The only solution is to become so free. That your very existence is an act of rebellion.
No matter how murderous & corrupt it becomes. There will always be apologists for the system. They’ll justify staying in it. They’ll demonize you for leaving it. They’ll stick by their slave masters who crack the whip & bleed them for every last nickel they’re worth. In reality? It’s kind of a damned shame! Apologists make the world safe for Evil Of The Highest Order.
It’s hard to oppose Evil. When you become hyper-dependent on it. And that’s what’s happened to modern Man. His food, his medicine, his media, his money? They all come from the same clique of psychopathic control freaks who want him caged, killed, or injected at any cost. If he doesn’t stand against this shit now… I FEAR FOR HIS FUTURE.
We must simply separate ourselves from those who want to feel good consuming poison and have the fucking nerve trying to defend psychopathic behavior that is the tip of the degenerate spear.

Jason
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Jason
1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

 “No medical advice is a one and done thing. It should change to fit a changing situation”

I was threatened with termination if I did not get the vaccine in 2021.

Thought Prophet
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Thought Prophet
1 year ago
Reply to  Jason

This is why independent livelihoods are under attack.
dependence on HR for compliance for products immune from liability is a recipe for a lawsuit.

old guy
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old guy
1 year ago

the war figure is only accurate if you do not count the civil war (>650,00 itself)

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Unvaxxed and Overtaxed
1 year ago

Omicron strain is the weakest one. I got Delta (the worst strain) and it turned my natural immunity into super immunity. I don’t even get sick anymore! I trust millions of years of evolution much more than an experimental and ineffective vaccine. But each person much make their individual choice and do what they think is right for them. Black elderberry with zinc is a great natural remedy, as well as vitamin C.

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Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago

This is a real problem when drawing universal conclusions from a study of one personal situation. Unlike you, I never got covid at all and don’t get sick anymore either. I got vaccinated, including a booster or two. Since I didn’t get sick at all, by your logic, I must have a better immune system than yours! Or maybe the vaccinations made me better!
Hello? Vaccines are the technique on offer when “millions of years of evolution” don’t cut the mustard. “millions of years of evolution” have given humans a way to think their wayvaroundva problem too. 

Unvaxxed and Overtaxed
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Unvaxxed and Overtaxed
1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

I made my choice and you made yours. We are both still here talking about it. I respect your choices and beliefs, and I’m not trying to talk you out of anything. I only describe my personal experience and what has worked for me. With Further Gold standard testing, I might change my mind some day, I’m not anti vaxxer, just don’t trust this specific “rushed “ vaccine. To each his/her own…

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago

Carrying a disease and freely spreading it are not a right to choose issue. It is a tricky balance to achieve but demanding a perfect years long study to accept vaccine efficacy in a crisis with a new threat is an unreasonable standard for holding off making decisions.
There was a serious faus pax in polio vaccination techniques that only became apparent after it was initiated in order to mass vaccinated the public. But even antivaxxers still cite polio vaccines as how every vaccine should be developed. Nothing is without risk of missing something important. The point is whether to try or let nature kill as many as it wants before trying to limit that.

GrumpyOldGuy
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1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

If your vax won’t protect you from getting covid, how is it you demanding that I get vax’d, going to protect you from getting covid?

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago
Reply to  GrumpyOldGuy

Too bad it does protect. If not from infection then at least from the severe effects of infection. Nothing to be sneezed at- which has been true for me if not for the unvaccinated. They still spead infection by choice. Which is also how their getting vaccinated helped protect me since it’s spead by aerosolization from infected people.
BTW this is a way out of date debate as the virus has mutated to be less danger. But I suspect that the same philosophy of choice still applies to those who don’t wash their hands after using the toilet and that’s still a problem l em

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39283431/
Does the COVID-19 Vaccination Reduce the Risk to Transmit SARS-CoV-2 to Others?”It has been assumed that the COVID-19 vaccination reduces the risk of transmission to others. Results during the delta predominance show that the viral load in the vaccinated population is not consistently lower compared to the unvaccinated, and during the omicron predominance, the viral load was even somewhat higher.”

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It’s clearly easier for one to be fooled, than for one to realize that they have been fooled…

In other words, if you want to be more likely to infect Grandma with COVID-19, well, then, by all means, be sure to get vaccinated for COVID-19…

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The Real Guest
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Continued…
“Public health data from the UK show that the number of COVID-19 cases is higher among the fully vaccinated and boosted population who might be possible sources, in contrast to lower case numbers within the first three months among the vaccinated obtained in phase 3 trials on symptomatic cases. Overall, there is no convincing evidence that the COVID-19 vaccination significantly reduces the risk to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others.”

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Imagine that, Yabut…

The DATA showing that the Vaccinated more recently ended up actually being MORE INFECTIOUS THAN THE UNVACCINATED…???

You are suggesting it’s the unvaxxed that were filthy and unwashed..???

That’s not what the data showed…
The data says…

“FILTHY PROJECTING SUPER SPREADING VAXXERS…”
🤷‍♂️ 😁

There is no washing off that kind of invisible exhaled viral filth, Yabut, is there…???

Kind of negates the vaccines resultant decrease of covid severity, if it also increases the transmissibility, and therefore the transmission of covid infection, at the same time, right, Yabut…???

The incorrect, self righteous, assumption that the Vaccinated were always necessarily less infectious than the unvaccinated, is an all to common and haughty, total misconception…

It’s disinformation/misinformation…

Thought Prophet
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Thought Prophet
1 year ago
Reply to  Yabut

no amount of propaganda will turn me homosexual, so no matter how long straight people have been practiced bisexual, it’s not for me. Civilizations have sacrificed children to Moloch and some still do, sacrifice your own genetics, but don’t ever feel comfortable telling people who’ve learned the hard way to believe in false prophets

bragging about deviant behavior isn’t going to convince others to engage in deviant behavior,
keep deviant behavior in your home:)
much appreciated

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Yabut
1 year ago

Well that a plunge into the deep end of irrational debate. What does homosexualitybhave to do with vaccination? Asked with caution as surely it will be conflated somehow.

D'Tucker Jebs
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1 year ago
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Is it even worth responding to a comment that suggests that some civilizations still sacrifice children to Moloch?

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Apparently you don’t see the correlation of the US vaccinating children to protect the elderly, to child sacrifice…???

Neither the elderly, nor an allegedly civilized society should EVER condone children being exposed to unnecessary risk in order for them to be used as shields against any kind of threat…

D'Tucker Jebs
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1 year ago
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You’ve sure gone above and beyond to create something out of nothing before, but attempting to draw a comparison between child sacrifice and getting a child vaccinated against a deadly contagious disease is quite the stretch, even for you.

The Real Guest
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1 year ago
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Advocating the vaccine for a child for that child’s protection, is one thing, advocating for the vaccination of the children for the protection of those other than those children, like their older or elderly family members, or the children’s teachers, or for the always unachievable and farcical “herd immunity” is quite another…

Anyone pretending to not understand that, and/or is pretending that the latter wasn’t always the primary objective, all along, and still is, is just being duplicitous and deceptive, IMO…

Thought Prophet
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1 year ago
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Deceptive is job number @.gov
all the corruption and people bought off to stay silent.
tax payer funded weapons against humanity
stop feeding the cancer
why do we still believe LHO was the lone gunman who killed JFK!?
just to remind people and help them understand the power of unaccountable powerful people.
it’s in our faces everyday we don’t have accountability for wholesale regulatory capture and regulatory merger into fewer hands.

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1 year ago
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I’m happy that you are free to do as you please with your own body, family. There will come a day when the reality of this systems war on children will affect someone you care about. It’s pure mathematics. You do you and maybe we can revisit in a few years and see how things are going on the liability protection for all vaccines. I’m happy that my family and most of my friends are on the same page. That’s all anyone can ask for.
Good luck out there.

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Thought Prophet
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1 year ago
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have you seen the statistics of homosexuality and health issues!?
I posted that as reference to holding an opinion on body autonomy and unhealthy choices.
https://odphp.health.gov/healthypeople/objectives-and-data/browse-objectives/lgbt
https://www.psychiatry.org/File%20Library/Psychiatrists/Cultural-Competency/Mental-Health-Disparities/Mental-Health-Facts-for-Gay-Populations.pdf
There’s some disturbing correlation between homosexuals and pedophiles., but that is irrelevant to Covid 19

D'Tucker Jebs
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1 year ago

From your first link: “…LGBT adolescents are especially at risk for being bullied, which can contribute to them thinking about and dying from suicide or using illegal drugs.”
From the second one: “Adverse outcomes are linked to family rejection, systemic discrimination and internalized homophobia.”

It seems it’s not homosexuality that’s the problem, it’s homophobia and bigotry.

Thought Prophet
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1 year ago
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“Carrying a disease and freely spreading it are not a right to choose issue.”
yeah, so what are you gonna do about it?
become more focused on creating a healthy society by eliminating processed junk food and environmental toxins!?
When you attempt to defend peoples ability to choose poorly, and ignore underlying patterns that create immune compromised humans, you cannot and must not be taken seriously.
how strongly does a weak human feel about doubling down on ignorance?
from the state of our world , it’s clear to me that people are habituated into living quiet lives of desperation, shoveling warm fuzzy bio accumulation calories into a leaky gut biome.

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1 year ago

That is a stunningly ignorant comment.

Contracting a more virulent strain does not result in a more robust immunity to other strains of the virus.

Relying solely on the immune systems that we have involved with a resulted in an incredible increase in the number of deaths that we’ve seen from this virus.

We are living in a society. Individual choices have effects on other people. That is why we take some of these choices away, such as the choice to drive without a seatbelt.

Unvaxxed and Overtaxed
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Unvaxxed and Overtaxed
1 year ago
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Wrong! 1st, 5th and 14th amendment give me freedom of choice, same amendments that apply to reproductive freedom. My body my choice. What’s ignorant is that you’re trying to take my choices away. You do you, and I’ll do me. 😉

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago

But that only works if you are able to keep your choices from damaging the right to life of others. Disease doesn’t seem to care much about rights.

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Unvaxxed and Overtaxed
1 year ago
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Interesting point and I always questioned why immigrants, whether legal or illegal, were not required to take to Covid shot. Meanwhile many US citizens lost their jobs for not taking the forced jab. What’s up with that? Isn’t that “damaging the right to life of others”? This shows me that it was never about public health, only control. Why did immigrants get a free pass?
also, at some point it was proven through science that the vaccinated were actually spreading the disease more than the unvaccinated, therefore “damaging the right to life of (me).””

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1 year ago

It is always amazing that antivaxxers say things are fact without the slightest effort to check out whether it is right. Both immigrant and non immigrant visa required covid vaccinations during certain periods. In fact immigrant visas only recently lost that requirement.
As for illegal immigrants, the same standards for work and schools applied to those held in detention centers as to Americans in general.
“A government might require vaccination as a condition for work or school, but it isn’t holding anyone down to vaccinate them. Individuals still have options and even exemptions for declining vaccination. American vaccine mandates don’t apply to individuals, including migrants, outside of the schools or workplaces the mandates specifically apply to.”
https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccination-requirements
https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/immigration/no-vaccine-mandate-immigration-detention-facilities-migrant-undocumented-workers-do-not-compel-vaccination/536-d1f56fcf-230c-4183-83e5-cc86c621fe95

Unvaxxed and Overtaxed
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Unvaxxed and Overtaxed
1 year ago
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From the CDC: “Vaccination Requirements for Refugees and Procedure for Determining Refugee StatusAlthough ▶️refugees are not required to receive vaccinations before entering the United States◀️, they must meet the vaccination requirements when applying for adjustment of status to permanent resident status in the United States.”
This is also confirmed in your link at uscis.gov.
so, as i was saying, during the height of the pandemic, when vaccination would have been the most critical and effective in stopping the spread, there was no mandate for refugees/asylum seekers entering the country, both legally and illegally, to get the Covid “vaccine”
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrant-refugee-health/hcp/civil-surgeons/vaccination.html

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1 year ago

“A government might require vaccination as a condition for work or school, but it isn’t holding anyone down to vaccinate them.” -Yabut

isn’t it plausible, then, for a government to require vaccination as a condition to enter the country, especially during a public health emergency and a worldwide pandemic? Sure, they have a choice, either vaccinate, or don’t come in! Choose wisely, lol.
Detention centers are super spreaders, after all, and if the government really cared about public health, they would have enacted emergency laws to address this health risk, like they did at schools and workplaces. But they didn’t. it seems that the votes were more important than the public health. Think about it, tens of millions of unvaccinated, infectious individuals poured into the country at the height of the pandemic, with zero vetting, and clearly “damaging the right to life of others”, but a blind eye was turned . Does not make any sense. Maybe the immigrants were directly responsible for all those USA covid deaths, but no one wants to have that conversation.

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago

As was said before, the government did require vaccination for certain periods that were qualified as an emergency. And does still for certain status changes if vaccination is required. Why you did you cite my link saying the government did make such requirements to repeat your claim that it didn’t?

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1 year ago
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Those worried about catching covid from the unvaccinated should simply stay home, just like regular flu, they don’t have the right to demand others get injected just so they feel more comfortable walking about

Yabut
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1 year ago
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If you read about it you’d see that it was only in places where vulnerable people could not avoid groups in confined spaces like certain work places or schools or mass transit that mask mandates applied. There were no mask police roaming the streets with handcuffs or batons to enforce anything although reading anti vaxxer’s paranoid ideation you’d think there was.
Sigh- if reasonable courtesy could be routine and paranoia kept in check… it’s never all about one person however that person resents it.

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1 year ago
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 it was only in places where vulnerable people could not avoid groups in confined spaces like certain work places or schools or mass transit that mask mandates applied.”

this further proves that iCE detention centers should have had conditions of vaccine requirements due to confined spaces. Again, don’t force them, give them the choice to either vaccinate or don’t come into our country. Too late now, but this illustrates the coddling of future Democrat voters over the health of US citizens, same as this due process crap that the liberals spew. For liberals, due process only applies during deportations and not while entering the country .

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1 year ago
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Reasonable Courtesy is living a healthy life and raising children who know how to respond to peer pressure with Zero Liability for Said peer pressure
you want to live in North Korea or china, please move to a place more in line with your solutions to your problems.

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1 year ago
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theres a case to be made that the right to drinking and smoking and poor life choices affects healthy people too. As hard as it was, second hand smoke has been proven in court, to harm non smokers. Drunk driving kills plenty, as with poor life choices
there is zero health benefit proven with drinking alcohol
smoking tobacco
and commercial pesticide laden foods, not to mention straight junk food.
if your position is attack the free market of our choices for a healthier tomorrow, I fully support you…
However, if you are resting your case on the power of injectables to overcome all those derogatory lifestyle choices, I’d challenge your line of thinking in what’s the best solution for a better tomorrow.
sue me in court for damages and we will use DISCOVERY to show the world just how imperfect your life choices would impact my vaccine status from causing you harm.
bring it!

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago

This is nothing more than trying to conflate vaccination with everything in the universe. It’s now beyond unreasonable and into insanity. So this ends here.

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1 year ago
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If you didn’t take the jab and survived you proved a theory. If you took the jab and lived you proved drugs can save lives, crack me up. The majority of Covid fatalities had one foot in the grave. Im still waiting for the cure for the common cold, crack me up. Some relie on doctors and others don’t.

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1 year ago

Yep, JFK Jr. is a good example of what “money for nothing” can do to you. And the Kennedy charm evaded him.

Yabut
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1 year ago
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But I do think he has a point, if not a really universal one. Vaccines have shown themselves so useful that TPTB have fallen into the trap of “if one vitamin pill helps, then twenty will do more.” Has the CDC studied the effect of the sheer number of vaccines available for harm that getting so many over a short time can do? I have seen that be flaw of the incestuous government/commercial required studies. I think it should be done and commercial entities are not the people to do it.
It’s a fault that a clever way for the government falls into when the costs of what is wanted exceeds the ability to fund so many different wants. Refusing to see the limits on funding is a huge hole in leftist thinking while trust in non-governmental abilities not to be greedy is a flaw in rightist thinking.

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I believe that he is well intentioned and correct on many issues related to health care in the United States. Unfortunately he seems to be of about average intelligence.

I am a Robot
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I am a Robot
1 year ago

My local medcal provider does not have the newest vaccine. WHY NOT RRHC?

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pharmstheproblem
1 year ago

So the flu is going around again.

Squirrel
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1 year ago

Our household had awful cases of flu early this month, perhaps worst of my life, despite getting flu vaccine this year, two weeks bad, still effects four weeks.

Pharmstheproblem
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1 year ago
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Ya, I had a bad flu earlier this year also. But that’s it bad flu and recovered in7 days.

Espino
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Espino
1 year ago

Rational people please carry on.

Irrational lemmings please line up on the ledge.
The Great Leader appreciates your cooperation.

The Real Guest
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1 year ago

Should it have been mentioned, at leaßt in passing, that the COVID-19 vaccine are also “NO LONGER APPROVED FOR HEALTHY ADULTS UNDER 65″…???

Because that update is conspicuously missing, for whatever reason…

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/trump-officials-say-yearly-covid-shots-will-no-longer-be-approved-for-healthy-adults-and-children

‘Trump officials say yearly COVID shots will no longer be approved for healthy adults and children.’

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1 year ago
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Wonder why that inconvenient fact was not stated? Hmmm, could it be that the inventor of the mRNA tech stated early on that the Wuhan shot should not be given to people under 65. Obviously, this makes the leftist goons at PBS look bad so they will never admit they were complicit in hurting people. And they despise Dr. Malone who made his scientific views very clear. And he has the credentials to back them up. It’s readily apparent all the seething howlers (u know who you are) who called for rounding people up who didn’t succumb to the Wuhan shot hysteria should now be subject to the same treatment times 1000. They just don’t get to walk away and act like they were not complicit in the scheme, That’s way to convenient for them after leaving a trail of body damage, job loss, despair, suicide, depression, social isolation, and societal stigma against those they claim are anti vaxxers. Perhaps the howlers need a tattoo stamped on their forehead and a black triangle next to their commenter name so in the future, others will know to not listen to anything they ever say again,

Yabut
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1 year ago
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The same old zombie issue. There was no single inverter of the covid vaccines and the one touted by the antivaxxers was farthest from an inventer as possible.
The leaps of illogic anti vaxxers get away with is a thousands times worse than those they complain about.

From Gare To There
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From Gare To There
1 year ago
Reply to  Al L Ivesmatr

Yep. The Mark of the Beast.
And here all this time I thought that was the universal barcode.

Thought Prophet
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1 year ago
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We all know that eugenics just got rebranded into health propaganda.gov

its bad enough unhealthy lifestyles don’t get the scrutiny the deserve, nor the sheer amount of toxins and bio accumulation of heavy metals and plastics , but because of modern medicine we have these injectables that make your lifestyle irrelevant.
there is a stated goal to reduce population.
if you know , you know
apathy and ignorance is contagious and even taught in schools.
if you know
you know.

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The Real Guest
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1 year ago

Is anyone interested or even concerned with what the actual VE against actual covid infection is for the 2024/2025 covid vaccine…???

I guess you are all “shit outta luck”…

That information, for whatever reason that can’t be good, is no longer publicly available…

Here is all that is being released as far as the impending COVID-19 vaccine VE…

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/74/wr/mm7406a1.htm

“Vaccine effectiveness (VE) of 2024–2025 COVID-19 vaccine was [estimated to be] 33% against COVID-19–associated emergency department (ED) or urgent care (UC) visits among adults aged ≥18 years and 45%–46% against hospitalizations among immunocompetent adults aged ≥65 years, compared with not receiving a 2024–2025 vaccine dose. VE against hospitalizations in immunocompromised adults aged ≥65 years was 40%”

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This ENTIRELY unimpressive information should be responsibly included in any publicized discussion of COVID-19 vaccination, should it not…???

Thought Prophet
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1 year ago
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Del Bigtree @TheHighWire discusses his departure from MAHA, citing among the reasons that the MAHA report did not sufficiently address vaccines.
“We are injecting aluminum into children’s bodies on the very first day that they are born…I know that this is a chess game…but we are not taking our eye off the ball…we are going to demand that the attention remains on vaccines…
…you will not find a mandate for Kellog’s fruit Loops, you will not find a gov’t mandate that forces our children to drink Coca-Cola, you will not find a gov’t mandate for them to even eat pesticides and herbicides, but we have a mandate for a product that was said to be safe that now the entire nation is admitting never went through a proper safety trial and contains some of the worst chemicals and additives the world has ever seen.”

truly sad that some people are hurting their own flesh and blood at the altar of apathy and ignorance.
“LIES BY OMISSION ARE STILL LIES”

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1 year ago

So this is the price we must pay for the Great Dealmaker Trump’s purchase of crackpot Kennedy’s dropping out of the presidential race and supporting Trump in exchange for a cabinet position.

Yabut
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Yabut
1 year ago
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Too bad the Democrat’s hubris was worse in their own attempt to purchase the election. They assumed they could give the middle finger to so very many larger demographics in order to pander to many minority demographics and still win. True Trump did quite a bit of wheeling and dealing but he at least was successful at it. The Democrats tried to demonize and lost.

Squirrel
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Squirrel
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Finch

Nobody is stopping you from getting a covid booster, go to your pharmacy today and get one

Al L Ivesmatr
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1 year ago
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You betcha. Ahh, the pink fruit loops got taken away. And the ho hos and ding dongs and the Susie Qs. And the red dye in the licorice, and on and on. “But ma, that evil Kennedy guy took away our ding dongs….don’t worry son, I got a loan from the bank, and we have a semi truck trailer of them out back, and they last a good 100 years. Great, thanks ma.” Petrified display case airport food. Secondly, you guys are just bent because Kennedy now works for a Republican, and you lost another great American who is now heading MAHA. To all the leftists, liberals, and bent Democrats, please keep taking the Wuhan bioweapon shot every 3 months. The depopulation folks may finally get their wish after all. Go for it. Pay for it yourself as well, no taxpayer free shots. Just remember, ya cannot sue anyone when your immune system shuts down and your body sends you into a Coma from a simple sliver in the big toe. Ahh, should have gotten that big, beautiful Tetanus shot but ya forgot cuz you were too busy playing mask policemen, so now you have lockjaw. By the way, any medical recommendations any of you attempt to make in the future will result in a huge belly laugh and will be completely disregarded as fake news. Complete disregard not to be heeded whatsoever. Don’t even go near the masks work against virus lie either, as total noncompliance is gonna ensue. This, because virus particles are much smaller than the pores in all masks except full face respirators, which very few folks have outside hospitals, research clinics, and the military. Reminds of Animal House when Kevin Bacon attempted to stop the crowd during the parade at the end. Completely flattened. 5 degrees of flattened Bacon separation.

PS, we are owed an apology from all the nutcase Karen’s who played mask policemen, gulag pushers, and viciously wished death upon those they deemed anti vaxxers. Viciously and purposely wished ill will and death on those they deemed non compliant.. Beg for forgiveness! Apologize now! We remember. We will never forget either. Elephants have long memories concerning the abuse foisted upon them by the Wuhan masking maniacs.

Squirrel
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1 year ago
Reply to  Al L Ivesmatr

There must be accountability or the lefty loonies will do it again

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
1 year ago
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That’s not how they roll. As a result, they shall get No Quarter.

Country Joe
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1 year ago
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President Trump is the great dealmaker, but Kennedy is no crackpot and was surprised to be picked by Trump. Kennedy and Trump are the only ones standing up to big pharma.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
1 year ago

Kym,

“More than 101,000 Californians have died from COVID-19 and more than 1 million Americans have died — exceeding by a wide margin American service member casualties in every war combined.”

-Kym Kemp-

-RHBB-

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“by a wide margin”

“exceeding…” ,

“American service member casualties in every war combined.”…???

Hmmm…

Really…???

Are you sure…???

Have you forgotten the American Civil War…???

Link please, evidence please…

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/civil-war-casualties







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Got logic?
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Got logic?
1 year ago

Annnnd things are playing out exactly like canceled virologist and Nobel laureate Luc Montignier predicted.

The big panic over Covid was just that: a panic. And look! There it is in a lab; just like it started LOL

Viruses never get more deadly – by nature viruses want to survive. If they become more deadly over time they lose their host , duh.

So just as predicted Covid-19 has gotten more contagious- and less virulent.

This isn’t news. It’s science. But there still remains a certain part of the population that likes to ignore actual science….

Real science and real time stats has proven that (unless one is extremely old, frail or already disabled with another condition) a person who can achieve and maintain healthy weigh, expose themselves to exercise and fresh air (I.E no masks outdoors, what the hell is wrong with people!!) consume clean diet, low on the food chain (IE skip processed foods and trashy products that are posing as food ) and when faced with illness employ rigorous proven natural methods for managing it, chances are extremely good that no encounter with any varient of the Covid virus is ever going to take you out.

But no. People literally received f****** donuts as “rewards’ for taking the shots. Pure stupidity. 😂

While 65% of the population is overweight/obese. And inherent to obesity is inflammation which ALWAYS exasperates the effects, and slows healing time -opening up the risk for complications -from any illness one encounters. When you go to the doctor complaining about something, and first thing they tell you is to lose weight? There’s a damn reason! It is the leading *contributing factor* in all leading causes of death in the United States right now. (Heart disease, stroke, cancer, type 2 diabetes , and kidney disease)

For most people and especially children, chances were MUCH lower that you’ll be taken out by COvid than are the risks of contracting disabling myocarditis, stroking out with clots or being permanently sidelined or unalived with some wackadoodle autoimmune reaction, or worse , a blood-rich cancerous tumor on your spleen or pancreas than from the mRNA jabs. Follow the cue of most healthcare providers and avoid the spike protien mRNA injections. Spike protein mRNA brew in your bloodstream is nothing to eff around with! Thank goodness they finally stopped suggesting that every person get these f****** shots!

The real news is out; and it’s not an endorsement of that diabolical medical /social experiment. …you just (normally ) don’t drop dead walking your dog….

Calmatters comparing deaths ” from covid ” to casualties of all war? Is sensationalism at its best, and a damn stretch at it’s worst. Everyone is well aware by now that there was so much gray area in deciding who died “of covid” (IE: many who had died with covid were determined to have died of covid,) not to mention the treatment itself- ventilators -killed them post-haste!

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Yabut
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“Viruses never get more deadly – by nature viruses want to survive. If they become more deadly over time they lose their host , duh.”
Yes they do. And they also migrate into vulnerable populations. The depopulation of indigenous Americans was largely due to not having immunity to diseases long part of European and Asian inhabitants. What became the Spanish Flu Pandemic did just that.
“The influenza virus that caused the 1918 pandemic mutated into variants, much like the novel coronavirus has done in the current pandemic, century-old virus samples reveal.”
The discovery could help explain why later waves of the 1918 flu pandemic were worse than the first.”
Panicking is not good but no panicking until mass death is widespread is not- forgive the pun- a viable option.
https://www.livescience.com/1918-flu-variant-deadlier-later-waves-lung-tissue.html

Zipline
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Zipline
1 year ago

Let’s hope this is the one. The great equalizer.

Gretyl Story
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Gretyl Story
1 year ago

LOL
Still pushing this hoax narrative? Thousands of people die of several flu strains every year. They all have co-morbidities. We don’t need imaginary sicknesses and fake “vaccines.”
Sick, indeed.

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1 year ago

The problem is the cozy relationship between our federal government and the ‘Big Pharma’. This is the reason many people don’t trust what the government ‘recommends’ about vaccines, etc. The well established ‘revolving door’ between corporations and influential government positions is an obvious problem. And the pharma industry makes billion$$$$$$ off any heath scare!
This does not mean covid is not real, or that a vaccine might not help. It means that corporations are EXPLOITING (some say creating) these situations to their benefit.

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https://www.propwatch.org/category_results.php?cat_id=1&id=33&k=fear+mongering&p=propaganda.php

PROPAGANDA TECHNIQUES
 fear mongering – spreading exaggerated rumors or dire warnings about impending danger on an issue.Fear mongering capitalizes on humanity’s instinctive response to perceived threats, driving people away from logical deliberation and toward emotional, knee-jerk reactions. By exaggerating or fabricating dangers, it creates a heightened sense of urgency, leaving individuals less likely to critically evaluate whether the situation is as dire as its being made out to be. This technique thrives in situations of uncertainty, where fear can easily replace reason.
The Psychology Behind Fear MongeringFear mongering works by exploiting the human brain’s natural response to fear. When confronted with perceived threats, the amygdala—the brain’s emotional processing center—takes over, prioritizing survival instincts over critical thinking. This fight-or-flight response is an evolutionary adaptation meant to protect against immediate danger, but it also makes individuals more susceptible to manipulation.
Additionally, fear mongering leverages availability biacomment image, a cognitive bias in which people judge the likelihood of an event based on how easily examples come to mind. By repeating sensationalized real events or stories, fear mongers can embed vivid, emotionally charged scenarios into the audience’s consciousness, making the exaggerated threat feel more plausible and imminent. This effect is often compounded by confirmation biacomment image, as individuals often respond by seeking information that aligns with these newly instilled fears.
How Fear Mongering Distorts PerceptionFear mongering relies on vivid, exaggerated messaging to reframe issues as urgent crises requiring immediate action. For example, claims about an impending “invasion” of immigrants can evoke powerful mental imagery of chaos, even if the actual data on immigration doesn’t support such a narrative. These exaggerated portrayals are designed to provoke strong emotional reactions—anger, anxiety, or even paranoia—leaving little room for calm, rational thinking.
The technique is commonly used in politics, where fear-based appeals are often deployed to justify extreme measures or to rally support. For instance, during election campaigns, candidates may warn that their opponents’ policies will lead to catastrophic outcomes, such as economic collapse, surges in violent crime, or the loss of fundamental rights like freedom of speech. Yet, the reality often fails to reflect these dire warnings. Through effective fear mongering, however, a crisis can be manufactured from whole cloth, creating a sense of urgency that overrides rational analysis and provokes emotional reactions.
The Challenges of Disarming Fear MongeringDisarming fear mongering is difficult because fear is a powerful and deeply personal emotion. Once fear takes hold, it can be challenging to counteract, as logical arguments often fail to resonate with individuals in an emotionally heightened state. Efforts to debunk exaggerated claims may even backfire, as fear mongers can frame critics as dismissive or naïve about the supposed threat.
Furthermore, fear mongering often appeals to tribalism, creating an “us vs. them” narrative that fosters group loyalty and distrust of outsiders. This dynamic makes it harder for audiences to accept alternative viewpoints, as doing so might feel like a betrayal of their group or identity.
Identifying Fear MongeringTo identify fear mongering, look for language that emphasizes extreme outcomes or exaggerates the severity of a situation. Consider whether credible evidence—or any evidence at all—is presented, or if the argument relies solely on emotional appeals and alarmist rhetoric.
Ask yourself: Does the threat being described seem over-the-top or disconnected from reality? Does the messaging encourage rational self-evaluation of the threat, or does it push for the claims to be accepted at face value, urging immediate action? By examining the intent and substance of the message, you can separate genuine concerns from manufactured crises. 

Zipline
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Zipline
1 year ago
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Also using internet stooges to post genuine appearing posts on social media.

Thought Prophet
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Thought Prophet
1 year ago
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It’s like this: Most folks are perfectly ok with a world based on usury, child murder, andrenochrome drinking, Moloch-worshiping, & the hoarding of resources by a TINY clique of psychotic, so-called elites. We, on the other hand? We despise even the IDEA of such a world! We’re going to be mocked, marginalized, & derided for the rest of our lives. We’ve just got to get used to it. 

LiberaLunacy
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LiberaLunacy
1 year ago

Huh… this must be why I’m seeing old boomers and people with those stupid “coexist” stickers on Subarus and Priuses driving solo with their masks on again.

Thought Prophet
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Thought Prophet
1 year ago
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There is no point sugar-coating it. They’re here to hide the cures, feed you the poisons, run up the debt, saddle you with the interest bill, feast on the young, hoard all the resources, peddle you the propaganda, laugh all the way to the bank, & retire in luxury, while you get to slave away til age 67 for a few measly scraps from their table. That being said: 1) When the veil is lifted, the solution is revealed. And 2) MOST of what they’re doing requires your consent. DON’T GIVE IT TO THEM.

Burn it down
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Burn it down
1 year ago

2020 wants it propaganda back

Kicking Bull
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Kicking Bull
1 year ago
Reply to  Burn it down

BCE.

Country Joe
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1 year ago

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Jim
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Jim
1 year ago

86 47

Kicking Bull
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Kicking Bull
1 year ago

Cereal you must be Shirley
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