Health Care Forum Highlights Systemic Faults

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The nation’s approach to health care figured prominently in a Jan. 27 forum organized and hosted by Fourth District County Supervisor Natalie Arroyo.
Audience attendance was on an RSVP basis but the forum was livestreamed. It offered perspectives on the status of county health care from eight hospital and medical facility managers.
Posing questions from audience members, Arroyo asked the panelists what “the points of pain” are in providing local health care.
A systemic malaise was described.
Noting the struggles of patients, County Health Officer Dr. Candy Stockton, the county’s health officer, said frustration is “so understandable because as a person receiving healthcare, it sucks sometimes to be stuck within the system that we’re in.”
Drawing applause, she said there are “no easy answers to this but I would say that the pain point really fundamentally is that we won’t treat healthcare like a human right in this country in spite of the fact that that’s what we all want for ourselves and our community and our families.”
Matthew Rees, CEO of the Southern Humboldt Community Healthcare District, highlighted reimbursement inadequacy.
“Medicare and Medi-Cal financing and payment structure, and other things, are kind of ridiculous,” he said. “When a Medi-Cal person comes in my ER, I get about 15 percent of my cost – that’s my cost, that’s not out of my charges.”
Despite the skimpy reimbursement rate, “They expect us to meet the seismic requirements, they expect us to meet the new minimum wage for health care workers – $25 an hour – they expect all these things to just happen magically without any reimbursement to us and so that’s a real struggle that we have,” he continued.
“Everything he just told you, I can’t add to it,” said Mad River Community Hospital CEO Doug Shaw. “It’s miserable trying to run a business – besides in California, besides in health care – you as patients, neighbors and friends, it’s difficult on all sides. And we know that it’s difficult to make the system work. And it doesn’t really work.”
“It’s just that health care is incredibly complex, it’s not easy and it’s hard to communicate that to people,” said Seth Whitmer, CEO of Redwoods Rural Health Center. “And when people are frustrated with it, it’s like – look, this is health care working exactly as we’ve designed it to be and that’s the unfortunate story and none of us can really fix that.”
“People do what they get rewarded for, that’s just a fundamental part of human nature, so our reimbursement systems determine our reward systems,” said Tory Starr, CEO of Open Door Community Health Centers. “And so we get forced to actually do things that may not necessarily be in the best interests of delivering care and every one of us will have some type of story around that – we have a byzantine system of reimbursement in America that is not conducive to delivering good care.”
Retaining medical and nursing staff is challenging and Chris Meyers, chief clinical officer of United Indian Health Services said it’s particularly important for his organization.
“Our population are the local American Indians who for good reasons distrust some institutions in healthcare,” he said. “We’re primarily staffed by American Indians but still the distrust is there and with a lack of trust, that rapport is everything for educating and persuading to make good healthcare decisions. So when we have issues with retention, all of that time that it took to get that trust, that relationship, is now out the door.”
Reiterating earlier comments on systematic flaws, he added that he believes burnout has less to do with long work hours and “complex patients” than “working in a system where you’re so well trained and so highly educated, yet you don’t have the capacity to make the changes to improve the healthier patients.”
The forum began with Arroyo’s presentation on what she learned from interviewing 57 local health care providers.
She said demographic and financial trends are leading to a national physician shortage which is starting to be felt in Humboldt after years of relative “abundance.”
Health care providers are increasingly entering retirement, she continued, and morale is an issue for providers who feel helpless dealing with patients’ frustrations.
But panelists had a lot of positive things to say.
Shaw related Mad River Community Hospital’s evolution from being based in a four-story Arcata home in 1911, then expanding to a 48-bed hospital in 1943 and being developed at its current site in 1972.
“We came from, in essence, from the neighborhood, from the earth,” he said, adding, “I see nothing but blue sky for a lot of things here in Humboldt County because we are like an island and it is different, we don’t have all those outside influences, we can make things work here and we have – during Covid this community came together like I’ve never seen.”
Starr said the county’s health care capacity is more robust than people may think and the Open Door network had 35,000 more visits last year than the prior year.
“I totally believe that if we continue to lean in together, that we can overcome any of the challenges that we have,” he continued.
While appreciative of the “positive spin,” Arroyo tempered it.
“I feel like I’d be remiss if I didn’t acknowledge that a lot of people are tuning in today or going to watch this footage or are here today because they’ve had a lot of difficulty,” she said. “And you all have had a lot of difficulty – in interviewing each of you, I’ve heard the part that’s less rosy and even sounded, at times sort of like desperate to get up your head above water.
So I don’t want to be cavalier about that.”
She added, “I just want to acknowledge to all of you and to the community that we’re hearing a lot of serious challenges for people in our community, where they’re just not getting what they need.”
Arroyo said she’s “committed to continuing the conversation” and another forum is planned.
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Thanks Obama!
He tried and definitely improved healthcare.
That’s ridiculous.
It’s funny that Obamacare started the cascade of problems in the reimbursement side…
Federal Payments were cut radically in 2000, but nobody seems to remember the reason all the Docs suddenly sold out or retired…
Being on the Provider side is no fun, it’s a job that costs too much to get, involves too much Federally required documentation, and which is fraught with government bullshit, for the salary…
We are importing Russian and Romanian Med School Grads, who then take residencies in Indiana and Iowa and Nebraska and then move to the Golden State…
They can’t hardly speak or understand English, but here they are!
Yes, it’s frustrating, especially when Matt Rees pays himself $325,000/year, and then hired his own child, for $125,000/year…
YOU, SoHum, pay for him to commute from Fortuna.
He’s complaining, like all the other CEO’s, about having to pay all those goddamn employees!
Hospitals are poor quality all over, and Adventist Health, Providence and Sutter Health are no better…
And nobody has enough personnel, Providers or Ancillary Healthcare Professionals, like Med Techs, Imaging folk, Nurses etc…Haven’t had enough for DECADES, because salaries are shit…
Employees are not just “expenses”, so maybe it’s the lack of housing, the low pay, or the crappy treatment dispensed to the employees…
Natalie Arroyo can’t fix this, but an involved community might help…
We need a revolution in this country!!!
its failing everywhere!!
we are at the bottom rung of health care ..
we need to start over and that means a one payer system like the rest of the world
With republicans in power it would take a miracle
But again…..
if every dr walked out and said nope we are not going to take it any more..
that’s every Dr in America!!
that’s what it will take
that and getting rid of congress’s free healthcare..
they are the reason the system is failing..
they get FREE healthcare!!
congress doesn’t want to give that up!!
but if you could get all the drs at Bethesda Naval Hospital to walk out also,
America might stand a chance….
we need to change!!
course it’s happening right now..
but they won’t do anything till it fails completely..
talk about a tragedy!!
however I believe that’s what it will take
Hod help us all…
Sorry…
I meant
God help us all
Single-payer will never exist in the USA, because everyone is hustling to get as rich as they can…
God help us all get born rich and then make great investments, almost by accident…
Your simplistic thinking is evidence that the average American is not intelligent enough to drive, much less vote for effective leaders…
Trump is doing what he does best:
Stir up angry emotions
Divide people
Sow misinformation and disaffection, just like Hitler did…
He’s even issuing his own form of money, and he owns a “Social Media Company”…
Something is extremely wrong here, but out in the street, people are very much not aware of why healthcare is so bad…
It’s the leaders, and the Corporations, and the Idiot CEO’s who just want to bag that fat salary, while they lie about everything…
Just like the County Supervisors!
The food we get in the USA is polluted. Thanks monsanto. It has been for forty years and now you see the result in the health of Americans. Wheat, corn, and soy. Rapeseed! All genetically modified first to promote production and yeald,100 years ago to fifty years ago when they invented roundup ready seeds. There are alternatives.
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When i go to Europe, the food there dose not make me ill. And i lived on cheese, bread, processed meats, 2 euro wine, and other high fat foods.
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Here the food makes me sick. My doctors give me pills. The pills make me sick. I hope you all appreciate what RFK is trying to do.
Unfortunately…
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Most Americans like junk food.
Most Americans like Booze.
Some Americans like Cocaine.
Some Americans like Heroin.
Some Americans like Fentanyl.
Some Americans like dope.
etc.
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Americans are the worst enemy of Americans.
Heroin and dope are the same thing.
Decades ago the FDA was well-funded and able to conduct their own research. As their funding was stripped over the years they were forced to rely on research produced by the very people who were being regulated.
It’s great that someone is finally going to make an effort to remove the poison preservatives, colorings flavorings, and emulsifier from our food. It’s a horrible shame that it has to be someone who stands completely opposed to science on vaccination.
“Medicare and Medi-Cal financing and payment structure, and other things, are kind of ridiculous,” he said. “When a Medi-Cal person comes in my ER, I get about 15 percent of my cost – that’s my cost, that’s not out of my charges.”
For those who lived through the not so caring “Obamacare” rollout as I did, it was a poison arrow of death to most private practices. The mandate to become a government provider and receive a crappy reimbursement from partnership or remain private and receive an exponentially worse crappy reimbursement was tyranny. Health cate IS NOT and never will be a human right. California just gives away taxpayer dollars to those who choose not to work and at the same time refuses to pay providers. It is all a load of government BS, California style .
So the USA is inferior to all the other first world nations? Why can’t they accomplish this and we can’t?
Because we have too many other problems from addiction to zombies. We have protests, violence and a Constitution that protects both. We treasure the freedom to be demanding idiots and make full use of it. We are fatter, think fitness is found in a gym and own almost as many cars as we have people. Because we seem to feel that is okay to charge our own citizens huge amounts for drugs while subsidizing the drugs sold to the rest of the world. We have States with 50 different judicial systems, tax codes, laws, public health agencies, educational entities. We have a press with Constitutional protection to pretty much say what they want and which are powered by a whining public.
And lastly only Spain, Bulgaria and Portugual have a lower employment rate that the US. https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/employment-rate
Obamacare Santa’s health care coverage to hundreds of thousands maybe millions of people who otherwise would have faced bankruptcy if they had to serk medical care. It could have been a hell of a lot better if it weren’t for Republican obstruction.
More on health care per capita than any other nation and have worse outcomes. That is not in any way thanks to a Obamacare.
You….do not actually have a “cost”. The lower reimbursment may lower your PROFIT but “you” still get paid, probably more than you are worth. In all European countries patient costs are about half what they are here, and the actual care is better with better outcomes.
How do they manage to do what you say you cannot. Are they really that much smarter than you are?
“You don’t actually have a cost?” Can you not read that line and realize how that is an out and out LIE. Everything costs. If you work, you get paid. If you need food, you pay for it. If you grow you get paid for it. If you are a patient, you must pay for it, because, like it or not, health care provider must be paid. Only the communist liberals think everything is a human right. It’s not. Nothing is a human right if it costs someone else to have to pay for it. Liberalism is idiocy at the core.
From the article – “When a Medi-Cal person comes in my ER, I get about 15 percent of my cost – that’s my cost, that’s not out of my charges.”
Which MD is saying that though? Last couple times I was at the ER sitting with someone, there were no less than 4 travelling MDs coming in to say the exact same thing. So are they collectively getting 15% or are they each billing Medicare 600% so the 15% is just one patient of the other 20 they see that day? It shouldn’t cost someone $900 each for what one (local) person can determine.
See Iatrogenic
See maternal deaths
See the continuing pandemic with no fucks given
See kids get sick over and over due to said virus and no fucks given and
See our life expectancy plummet especially now President Musk is in charge of government payments
WAKE THE FUCK UP
From what I’ve been reading under the comments on these pages, Humboldt doesn’t need healthcare. They have Musk/Trump.
I paid redwood memorial 19,100 dollar to be insulted, ignored, and ignored evidence of attempted murder. They couldn’t even look at my patient file. Your rude ignorant and worthless. You literally botched a investigation into a serial killer that has been active for thirty years. I hope you are proud of yourselves.
I moved from Humboldt to the Great Smoky Mountains of North Carolina in June. Rural area. It took less than 2 weeks to see my new primary care physician (a for-real MD). I’ve never waited more than two weeks to see a specialist. The only thing I found that was better in HumCo was lower prescription prices.
Our medical and police are stupid. They can’t function for shit. And I am shocked anything is cheaper! We pay 5 dollars a gallon for gas that ruins your equipment.
Those two have nothing to do with the price of fuel. What’s your fix?
All pharmaceuticals are made from PETROLEUM ppl. Doctors are trained to prescribe poison to cover up your symptoms and make you a life long patient. My wife WAS a nurse until “covid” hit and the hospitals were empty until ppl started getting injected with the bioweapon and then the doctors got paid to murder ppl if they died with “covid” listed on their birth certificate and got paid to kill using remdesivir and incubating ppl. They also got paid for every “covid” positive test as well. So while “covid” was 98.9% curable and survivable, they shut down the whole country and tried to inject everyone with a gain of function bioweapon that killed more ppl and injured more ppl then the germ they released. Biggest conspiracy of our lifetimes, possibly the planet history and many ppl are still dying or going to die from the clot shots. My wife quit nursing and retired in 2021 and we both will NEVER see a doctor or go to the hospital for the rest of our life. Eugenics is what is happening ppl. The rich decided we were all useless eaters.
No they’re not. If your wife was spouting that nonsense that might be why she’s no longer an RN. She’d lose her license for that. If you think that doctors are collectively out to get you, then just don’t go see one. Take your chances with nature next time you’re sick. I’ve had 6 Covid vax from 3 manufacturers. You know what I don’t have? Covid. I also don’t have a third arm or eyeball or cancer. Which sucks because having a new third arm would be really convenient.
“It is easier to fool a fool then to convince a fool they have been fooled”. Why would anyone with a brain need 6 covid shots, lol. The statistics say not only are you more likely to get covid, you are more likely to die. Good luck with that. My wife quit nursing because the medical system keeps you sick and profits off of your illnesses. You are just a cash cow for bug pharma and an experiment for mRna which is NOT a vaccine but “gene therapy”. You have just made yourself in to a cyborg. Homoborggenesis. Very well thought out decision I am sure. Like I said…..good luck with that.
you also don’t have a mind of your own. but you might have a few blood clots.
the health care I get in SoHum is far superior to the high class insurance my city relatives get.. My insurance pays over $3000 for an ER visit.. 15 minutes.. This comment string is filled with right wing bullshit..
they all are sadly
Hope you are doing well, Ben.
do you prefer left wing bullshit?
Did you say it’s insurance you pay for? Private insurance pays a hell of a lot more the Partnership or Covered California. All Partnership is 100% taxpayer dollars. Covered California subsidies are 100% taxpayer dollars. Both systems do there very best to avoid paying providers. That’s fact. There’s nothing right wing about that. It’s just lunatic politicians who are clueless who makes idiotic laws. Unfortunately for California, most are communists.
Partnership/MediCal kick it back to Medicare first if you’re on it. That makes someone in Florida pay 2 cents of Medicare taxes for that hernia surgery at UCSF. They may avoid paying providers, and they sure as heck will deny procedures and Rx’s entirely (not copays, not approving them period if the formulary changes mid year) too, and they’ll kick the bill down the street to Medicare or other insurance you might have.