Protest Against Circumcision: Blood Stained Men Rally in Ukiah and McKinleyville to Advocate for Children’s Rights

David Atkinson, the President and CEO of a group known as the Blood Stained Men, stood at the intersection of Perkins Street and Orchard Avenue wearing a pure white outfit with the crotch prominently stained blood-red signifying the violence his group argues is wrought by circumcision.

David Atkinson, the President and CEO of a group known as the Blood Stained Men, in Ukiah yesterday wearing white pants and shirt stained bright red symbolizing their protest against circumcision as a form of violence. [Photo by Monica Huettl]

Yesterday afternoon, a contingent of protestors gathered on a busy corner in Ukiah to voice their opposition to circumcision, a long-practiced procedure in which the foreskin is removed from a penis, usually from that of an infant. MendoFever‘s reporter Monica Huettl happened upon the demonstration and inquired about their cause. 

David Atkinson, the President and CEO of a group known as the Blood Stained Men, stood at the intersection of Perkins Street and Orchard Avenue wearing a pure white outfit with the crotch prominently stained blood-red signifying the violence his group argues is wrought by circumcision.

He said he and his compatriots are on a two-week tour of Northern California to “spread foreskin awareness and prevent violence against children.”Poster against circumcision.

A protestor referred to as Brother K said he is the founder of Blood Stained Men. He claimed to have first publicly demonstrated against the practice of circumcision 44 years ago in Eureka, California.

The American Academy of Pediatrics’ official policy statement regarding circumcision asserts the medical benefits of circumcisions outweigh the risks, but simultaneously does not recommend the procedure.

Today, the Blood Stained Men will be demonstrating at the intersection of 5th Street and I Street between 10:00 a.m. and 12:00 p.m. Tomorrow, May 11, 2024, the Blood Stained Men will be in McKinleyville between 2:00 p.m. and 4:00 p.m. at the intersection of Central Avenue and School Road.Bloodstained men

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tru matters
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tru matters
2 years ago

Actually a very barbaric practice.

A few women I have talked to say they prefer uncircumcised men.

Guest 2
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Guest 2
2 years ago
Reply to  tru matters

I do, and mainly bc of the psychological impacts. I wonder if circumcised men have a higher likelihood of being abusive, that would be interesting to research.

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest 2

And would be a sure winner of the Ignoble Prize.

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
2 years ago
Reply to  tru matters

It was done for cleanliness. Not barbaric.

D'Tucker Jebs
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2 years ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

But now we have soap.

M Lyndon
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M Lyndon
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

Female genitals are harder to clean than male genitals, and they get way more infections down there, but we wouldn’t cut parts off baby girls. Hygiene is about washing, not surgery.

thetallone
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thetallone
2 years ago
Reply to  M Lyndon

Actually, they do.
Female genital mutilation (FGM) (also known as female genital cutting, female genital mutilation/cutting (FGM/C) and female circumcision[a]) is the ritual cutting or removal of some or all of the vulva. The practice is found in some countries of Africa, Asia and the Middle East, and within their respective diasporas. As of 2023, UNICEF estimates that “at least 200 million girls… in 31 countries”—including Indonesia, Iraq, Yemen, and 27 African countries including Egypt—had been subjected to one or more types of FGM.[3]
It’s a barbaric practice, regardless of gender.

Rick Colburn
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Rick Colburn
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

If you have access to clean water, cleanliness is not an issue.

pcwindham
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2 years ago
Reply to  Rick Colburn

You’ve obviously never been to a Third World country.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  pcwindham

??,

So, you’re saying…

…that circumcision as a hygienic practice, (momentarily setting aside performing the procedure with medical sterility as opposed to doing it in an absolutely filthy disgusting, manner), is justified in a Third World Country…???

…New York is a Third world Country…???

…Israel is a Third World Country…???

…BOTH are without access to clean water for “cleanliness”…..??

I guess I’m out of the loop…

?‍♂️

Dwight Hasbrouck
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Dwight Hasbrouck
2 years ago
Reply to  tru matters

Women find it ugly
They prefer the helmet penis

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago

Not every woman…”[An] intact penis glides in the foreskin during intercourse, reducing friction. Second, the exposed glans of a circumcised penis becomes coarser over time, a process known as keratinization, and is more abrasive to the internal mucous membrane of the vagina.

“You take the foreskin away and let the glans callus and you end up irritating the hell out of the vaginal mucosa,” says Denniston. “Everyone in the US uses lubricants because the basic function of sexual intercourse has been disrupted.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3225416/#:~:text=The%20foreskin%20also%20protects%20a,foreskin%20during%20intercourse%2C%20reducing%20friction.

BIllyJr.
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2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

You ladies will need to decide if you prefer smooth silky complexions, or smooth silky vaginas. The cosmetics industry gotta get those Fibroblasts from somewhere!

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-cut-above-the-rest-wrin/

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Permanently on Monitoring
2 years ago

If they were girls, they would call it “genital mutilation”…

Mr. Clark
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2 years ago

FGM is done for a different reason. This is just antisemitism.

Big Rick
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Big Rick
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

Found one! ?

Dwayne
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Dwayne
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

I would love to understand this statement. I was. Not circumcised as a religious practice. I believe in a person having a right to thier own body

Rip Tanner
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Rip Tanner
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

lmao i havent been back to this site since the israel protests, and the first comment of Mr. Clark i see is an accusation of anti Semitism in regards to circumcision critics.

Mike Morgan
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2 years ago
Reply to  Rip Tanner

It’s in the Bible.

Slag Heap
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Slag Heap
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

NO, this is about unnecessary stress and pain for your baby boy, as well as potential injury and trauma. If you choose to circumcise your baby for religious beliefs that is your choice. To do it for any other purpose makes no sense medically.

pcwindham
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2 years ago
Reply to  Slag Heap

Note that the American Academy of Pediatrics disagrees with you.

Libertybiberty
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Libertybiberty
2 years ago

What is a girl anyway these days?

pcwindham
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pcwindham
2 years ago
Reply to  Libertybiberty

Justice Brown doesn’t know and she’s on the Supreme Court

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago

It hurts to even read this article.

Fill N Dablank
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Fill N Dablank
2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

Wow! Just WOW! It takes some…______s to do that!

Xi’sXoBoy
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Xi’sXoBoy
2 years ago

Tsk, tsk… passive antisemitism….

Big Rick
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Big Rick
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

Lmao look at this one squirm!! ??

Xi’sXoBoy
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Xi’sXoBoy
2 years ago
Reply to  Big Rick

If this group were stating their intentions for non-Jews to stop circumcision, that would be one thing. Asking for ALL baby boys to not be circumcised is passive antisemitism. The Jews are God’s chosen people and their covenant with God is circumcision of their male children at birth. Don’t ask the Jews to break their covenant with God.

Peter
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Peter
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

So you’re saying Jewish boys DESERVE to have their genitals cut off? That’s the most antisemitic thing I’ve ever heard!

Xi’sXoBoy
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Xi’sXoBoy
2 years ago
Reply to  Peter

That’s a discussion you should have with a rabbi. Not me.

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  Peter

You’re confusing circumcision with gelding. A rather substantial overstatement.

Ben Round
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Ben Round
2 years ago
Reply to  Peter

Considering the subject, I just appreciate that your name is ‘Peter’. 😉

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Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

Claiming to be, unquestionably, “God’s chosen people” is a disturbing mindset.

Xi’sXoBoy
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Xi’sXoBoy
2 years ago

God states that in the Bible. I’m not Jewish and it doesn’t bother me. YMMV

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

The moral of the story is…

Don’t literally believe everything that you read…

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Xi’sXoBoy
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Xi’sXoBoy
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Your opinion on my belief and the belief of billions of people on this planet is neither warranted nor requested.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

Perfect example…

You have misinterpreted the text…

Don’t read and then interpret, (believe) the word “you”, in the moral, to ONLY mean “YOU”…

That’s not what it was intended to mean…

I guess I should have said,

“The moral of the story is”…

“One should not so firmly and rigidly believe everything the way one has apparently misinterpreted it’s meaning, and then one should also not then overreact accordingly to that misinterpretation, because it would be based on nothing but a misunderstanding. “…

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

Well in Lord of the Rings it says that Frodo is the chosen one. Do you accept hobbit supremacy?

Xi’sXoBoy
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Xi’sXoBoy
2 years ago

Equating a work of fiction with the Truth that billions of people on this planet believe is the Word of the God they worship is ludicrous. I believe in God’s Word and that Jesus is my Savior. I’ve never seen a hobbit and a hobbit has never done a thing for me. I’ve never seen Jesus or God but I believe in the Abundunce and Blessings the Holy Spirit brings to my life. YMMV and your opinion of my belief is irrelevant. If you worship Frodo, Fredo or Frida, good on you. Better to believe in something than to fall for anything.

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Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

The point was to highlight the hypocrisy that people of your faith happily trumpet. You choose to believe and insist that a particular fantastical book is the only true text and all else is fiction.

You have no evidence forthis, just belief. What is known objectively about the text itself is that it arose over time from.various human populations, that it’s stories share striking similarities to the stories of cultures that the Semitic people would have been in contact with, and that the modern canonical book was assembled by the state authorities in Rome about 1700 years ago where a number of traditional books from the tradition were explicitly excluded.

So believe whatever you want to believe, but spare the rest of us the arrogance of insisting that your old book of myths has any special weight or authority over any other old book of myths.

Personally, I take great solace in the collected tales of th Aesir and the Tuathe de Danann. Surely you respect the authority of those texts, as they are at least as old as the Semitic myths in the modern bible

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
2 years ago

WHEN EINSTEIN GAVE LECTURES AT U.S. UNIVERSITIES, the question students asked him most was: Do you believe in God? And he always answered: I believe in the God of Spinoza.

Baruch de Spinoza was a Dutch philosopher considered one of the great rationalists of 17th century philosophy, along with Descartes.

According to Spinoza, God would say: “Stop praying. I want you to go out into the world and enjoy your life. I want you to sing, have fun and enjoy everything I’ve made for you.

“Stop going into those dark, cold temples that you built yourself and saying they are my house. My house is in the mountains, in the woods, rivers, lakes, beaches. That’s where I live and there I express my love for you.

“Stop blaming me for your miserable life; I never told you there was anything wrong with you or that you were a sinner, or that your sexuality was a bad thing. Sex is a gift I have given you and with which you can express your love, your ecstasy, your joy. So don’t blame me for everything that others made you believe.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago

Sounds like a reasonable God

Expanding Insignificance
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Expanding Insignificance
2 years ago

Einstein was Jewish but against Zionism. He would be considered anti-semitic today.

Tweety Bird
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Tweety Bird
2 years ago

Thanks Ernie, now I want to dig into this guy. Very cool.

Xi’sXoBoy
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Xi’sXoBoy
2 years ago

“So believe whatever you want to believe, but spare the rest of us the arrogance of insisting that your old book of myths has any special weight or authority over any other old book of myths.“

Pretty sure I’ve stated unequivocally that the Bible is truth to me. Never insisted it bore any weight with others. Your vehemence is disrupting your comprehension.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

You called criticism of the practice of circumcision antisemitic because it doesn’t treat the words of the Jewish texts as objectively true, you also called ascribing the same level of belief to a more recent fantasy novel ludicrous.

Clearly you think it should bear some weight

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago

Well said.

Hypocrisy , denial, projection…

All abound in the comment section…

Tweety Bird
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Tweety Bird
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

Your vehemence is equally disturbing as it shuts down any kind of civilized conversation about things spiritual that may not agree with your beliefs.

IlikeThinking
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IlikeThinking
2 years ago

Ex-fucking-zactly

Tweety Bird
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Tweety Bird
2 years ago

Thank you for your rational answer. The Bible has had over 30,000 edits through time depending on politics and the arrogance of Emperors and Kings. But, there is wisdom, there are great stories, parables and allegories. It is just a great work of fiction and helps when you can’t fall asleep.

I am a robot
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I am a robot
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

If you actually practiiced the rules stated in the bible I might be impressed by your devotion, but we all know you don’t

Xi’sXoBoy
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Xi’sXoBoy
2 years ago
Reply to  I am a robot

Indeed. I never claimed I wasn’t a sinner. And I’m not a turn your cheek type of individual.

I sense your indignation, but who are these “we” you speak of? Multiple personality disorder may be treatable.

Timb0
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2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

Men wrote the bible.

tru matters
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tru matters
2 years ago
Reply to  Timb0

Actually some scholars believe a woman wrote some of it.

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
2 years ago
Reply to  tru matters

Whoever wrote it was a control freak…

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
2 years ago

Everyone will find out one day. Everyone also hopes they are right as well. PS Darwin’s Theory of Evolution is impossible It would take longer to have a human evolve from a single celled primitive organism swimming in a murky puddle of water than the Earth is old by millions of times. Like impossible. It’s either God or Alien seeding, two choices.

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
2 years ago
Reply to  Al L Ivesmatr

Al
I worried about all that stuff until I was a least 8 yrs old, then I asked the preacher where God came from, all this “creation” couldn’t just happened.

His answer was.” God always was, always is, and always will be”. He seemed to be real happy with his answer.

I am so gullible that I will believe anything anybody tells me. I’ve been fooled so many times that by 9 yrs old I still believed everything, but I started holding out for proof. The preacher said “there no proof in Faith”.

I really doesn’t make any difference, because the preacher asked my mom not to bring me to church anymore just because I got stuck in the piano. I was checking to make sure it was real. I had just been lied to too many times.

P.S. I verified the piano was real…

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
2 years ago

No worries. Good luck!

IlikeThinking
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IlikeThinking
2 years ago

The bible isn’t an it, it’s a them.

I am a robot
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I am a robot
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

God did not write the bible. Men wrote the bible

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Xi’sXoBoy
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Xi’sXoBoy
2 years ago
Reply to  I am a robot

How original!

IlikeThinking
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IlikeThinking
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

Well the ‘bible’ is an amalgamation of distinct writings, separated by time and space and then reassembled to aid in the domination of the masses by the rich and powerful.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago

Yes, definitely a disturbing mindset, when they go about violently eliminating whomever they choose…

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Like islam?

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

EXACTLY THE SAME…

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Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago

It is. One of the things among others that makes the Nation of Islam so scary. And actually Islam itself. Almost as disturbing as declaring oneself God’s Chose Gender.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

The entire Yahwist tradition has been a millenia long burden on humanity. Their penchant for violent racial supremacism is a big part of that problem

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago

Dang it, you are really big on hating other’s religions while dishing only complaint. That is just making easy answers in an uneasy world. Just hating someone else oblivates the need for self examination.
In reality, people without any judeo-christian tradition at all have been singularly fond of war, massacres, slavery, empire, conquering, etc. Assyrians, Egyptians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Mongols, Zhou, Gahanna, Mali, Aztec, Mayan, Communism, etc etc etc. Those were only the big guys. Innumerable little guys were at each other’s throats at the same iptime.
People are the problem. Not religion. If given a chance, people will take, glory in war, conquer, feeling abused and angry. All without the benefit of judeo-christian influence. Few did it in the name of religion. They did it in the name of themselves. Kingdom, empire, clans, family… themselves.
Religion was always a decoration hung on the reality of biology. Atheism has by far the worst record in terms of massacres and conquest than any religion in the last hundred years. Trying to make a religion out hating religion is about as much an impossible choice as one human can make.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

I’m not hating anyone’s religion, I’m criticizing the historical behavior of those who have adorned themselves with those titles.

And the idea that humans are inherently war oriented is one of the most damaging lies propagated by the Yahwists.

Of course there have been other imperial minded and martially oriented cultures, but the written record of the European imperialists tell of many cultures that met them with peace and hospitality, only to be ground to pulp in the yahweh inspired maw of those Europeans.

Yahweh first shows up in the historical record as a God of storms and wars. And unsurprisingly his faith has carried that spirit with it.

Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

Or declaring one’s co-religionists God’s “chosen people” which justifies oppressing, dispossessing and killing non-believers and taking their homes and land.

Expanding Insignificance
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Expanding Insignificance
2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

The Nation of Islam doesn’t believe in fractional reserve banking. That’s why they’re bad.

izzy
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izzy
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

Jews are not singled out in this article.
Many religious practices and beliefs don’t make much sense.
I once attended a bris. The kid was screaming his head off.

Mada N
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Mada N
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

Um, I would think specifically and/or exclusively asking or imposing laws to stop religious circumcision for Jewish would be more appropriately considered anti semitism. You’re just being silly. Maybe write a book?

Xi’sXoBoy
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Xi’sXoBoy
2 years ago
Reply to  Mada N

You’re correct. That’s why my original statement was “passive antisemitism”.
Thank you for commenting.

IlikeThinking
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IlikeThinking
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

Reminds me of me at 12, I had an argument to make myself right no matter what was said to me.

Crap
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Crap
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

Reading a a little to much into this ie over thinking. They may not even know about the.jewish law. Add to that just because they don’t agree with one religious practice does not mean they are anti Semitic. This is the problem in today’s world everyone is looking for reasons to be offended.

Xi’sXoBoy
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Xi’sXoBoy
2 years ago
Reply to  Crap

Indeed. Nuances, people. Thank you for your comment and understanding my comment.??

Expanding Insignificance
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Expanding Insignificance
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

God is Love. Is this godly behaviour?

Dwayne
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Dwayne
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

 would love to understand this statement. I was. Not circumcised as a religious practice. I believe in a person having a right to thier own body

Xi’sXoBoy
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Xi’sXoBoy
2 years ago
Reply to  Dwayne

People should not be asking Jews to stop circumcising their boys. Pretty simple.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

You realize that the people who practice female genital mutilation in MENA also view it as religious. Do you support their right to practice their religion also? Do you criticize the very vocal opposition to their practices?

Xi’sXoBoy
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Xi’sXoBoy
2 years ago

Protest all you want for FGM. This article and the commentary isn’t about that. May be a fulfilling use of your time. I didn’t do either to my daughters or sons.

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago

Please provide a reference for that. What the motivation seems to be is the cultural marketability of females in marriage. Not religion as even the religions that mention it do not advocate for it.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

FGM was practiced in northern Africa from time immemorial. As those cultures were absorbed into Islam they simply ported that old religious practice into their new religion

Expanding Insignificance
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Expanding Insignificance
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

This is about non-Jewish kids being mutilated. Do you understand? Does it bother you if that happens? They are not Jewish after all.

Xi’sXoBoy
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Xi’sXoBoy
2 years ago
Reply to  Dwayne

Don’t misunderstand me. I’m not circumcised either. I’m not Jewish. My parents declined when the procedure was offered l, thank goodness. There is absolution reason why non Jews should be circumcised. My point is that the Jews believe in their covenant with God so deeply that it is a sacred ritual. Asking for Jews to stop the practice is antisemitism, plain and simple. I don’t think these individuals protesting the practice are intentionally promoting antisemitism, but calling for an end to all circumcision is passive antisemitism, if done unintentionally and outright antisemitism if intentionally targeting Jews.

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

Indeed. It is the level of demand and control that changes a idea into a bigotry.

IlikeThinking
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IlikeThinking
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

I think a more appropriate statement would contain, “Some Jews believe this”. Many people treat their religion like a buffet in Vegas.

Alf
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Alf
2 years ago

Really? I bet these same “men” are also pro abortion. Talk about blood stains…

Dwayne
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Dwayne
2 years ago
Reply to  Alf

We believe babies should be protected inside and outside of the womb

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  Dwayne

But not women? Women don’t matter? Girl baby, you are born to be no one’s but your own.

c u 2morrow
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2 years ago

of all the things to protest about ____________

Peter
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Peter
2 years ago
Reply to  c u 2morrow

THIS is THE MOST IMPORTANT OF THEM ALL!!!

Dwayne
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Dwayne
2 years ago
Reply to  c u 2morrow

I believe protesting the genital cutting of a human being is a worthy cause

c u 2morrow
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2 years ago
Reply to  Dwayne

did we see you at the courthouse today ?

Big Rick
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Big Rick
2 years ago

The people that justify this utilizing the anti-Semitism cry are disgusting

D'Tucker Jebs
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2 years ago
Reply to  Big Rick

Calling everything anti-Semitism has gotten old.
Asking for an end to this completely unnecessary procedure has noting to do with religion.

Xi’sXoBoy
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Xi’sXoBoy
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

You, of all people I would expect would understand the nuance. I’m disappointed.

D'Tucker Jebs
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2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

When a person becomes an adult, they are free to make this choice.
Therefore, ending circumcision on babies does discriminate against anyone’s faith.

Xi’sXoBoy
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Xi’sXoBoy
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

I’m quite aware that “ending circumcision on babies does discriminate…” against the Jewish faith. Thank you for concurring.

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
2 years ago
Reply to  Xi’sXoBoy

Jebs just got hoisted on his own petard.

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
2 years ago

or, her, them they. and 27 others

Wizard of Odds
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2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

I agree with your point, however its deeply ironic/karmic that the same people so quick to use the “racism” label inappropriately, are now getting a taste of their own medicine by being labeled “antisemites”

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Really? If you are tired of hearing about antisemitism, try keeping antisemitism from filling out the ranks of ProPalestinian protestors. That a group of males co-opting the image created to protest Israeli women’s rapes being dismissed is not political? When pro Palestinian commenters here say they are tired of hearing about rapes?

I certainly got tired of the words “gender identity” in allowing transgender women to compete women’s sports when they have a physical advantage yet here it is as a government protected class. Is it really you who gets to decide who gets to complain about bias and who doesn’t? Because you’re tired of it?

D'Tucker Jebs
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2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

Calling everything anti-Semitic diminishes the severity of the word.
Not quite sure how you got from this topic to sports.
If anyone proposed prohibiting Jews from participating in sports,
that would indeed be an example of anti-Semitism.

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

I’m so glad you said that… because people of all stripes lumber every idea with their own baggage of biases. All the time. I thought that dragging “transgender” into a comment would grab your attention because it is one of your favorite pieces of baggage. As is anti Christianity. And would be handy to make my point.
So, hate religion? Christianity done you wrong? Well then every problem gets some variation of the evils of Christianity religion dropped into the debate. Hate Trump? Hate Obama? Ditto. Ditto. Hate rich people, capitalism, or communisms? Ditto. Government done you wrong? Double ditto. Republican, Democrat? Ditto, ditto.
Just about everything. Specifics really don’t matter, the fact it’s a human flaw common to almost everything doesn’t matter. That it has zero connection to the neighboring stuff doesn’t matter. The social media and comments are one big pawn broker’s lumber room where even thing on the face of the earth can be squeezed in. Useful or not, relevant or not, there is no one to say that it doesn’t belong here. Unless you personally choose to make an issue out of it.
For issues involving Jews, there are a whole bunch of people who’s paranoia runs to antisemitism. Centuries of it. It is one of the easiest pieces to stuff into a debate on circumcision. And a hot commodity with the Palestinian/Israeli war. It has worked itself into relevance that little else has at the moment. So maybe you’re tired of it but guess what? You are not the arbiter of the lumber room. You’re tired of hearing about it? Tough. Other people are tired of your irrelevancies too. This one is a closer shot to reality than most.

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Dwayne
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2 years ago
Reply to  Big Rick

I would love to understand this statement. I was. Not circumcised as a religious practice. I believe in a person having a right to thier own body

Grammar Nazi
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Grammar Nazi
2 years ago
Reply to  Dwayne

Lol I’ve been you. Breeeaaatheeeeee

Moshe Doshan
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Moshe Doshan
2 years ago

We should call it what it is, male genital mutilation.

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  Moshe Doshan

It is indeed in the absolute sense. And, although these guy’s allegations are mostly unfounded and extreme, it is a surgery and certainly deserves to be treated with more consideration than being routine.

Does it have the same intent as female genital mutilation? No. Because female genital mutilation is not for medical reasons but to keep women from enjoyment of sex, which for some reason societies that are extremely male controlled want, is done at a later age and is very painful,and actually creates serious medical problems.

With circumcision, there are both low benefits and low disadvantages. So how did it become so common? Apparently through a series of off the wall ideas of Victorian about sex (mostly masturbation ) and the enthusiasm over early germ theories. And finances. It is usually covered under American medical insurance and not in Europe. In other words, the usual suspects- bad science, popularity and money. Mostly money I suspect.

https://www.cedars-sinai.org/blog/is-circumcision-good-or-bad.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_circumcision

Mel
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Mel
2 years ago

I want to protest something. Just can’t decide, so many choices.

Non-Native
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Non-Native
2 years ago
Reply to  Mel

The cost of beef jerky is entirely too expensive?

THC
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THC
2 years ago
Reply to  Non-Native

I heard there was a sale going on for dried foreskins..

Country Joe
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2 years ago
Reply to  THC

I have a great joke about foreskin but it’s too long to post here.

D'Tucker Jebs
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2 years ago
Reply to  THC

According to the Bible, for a hundred of them you can buy a wife. 1 Samuel 18:25

Xi’sXoBoy
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Xi’sXoBoy
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

What is Biden’s going rate for unaccompanied minors crossing our southern border? You know, the almost 100,000 minors the appointed president’s administration can’t account for?

https://oversight.house.gov/release/hearing-wrap-up-orr-director-fails-to-answer-questions-about-85000-lost-unaccompanied-alien-children-flawed-vetting-of-sponsors-and-more%EF%BF%BC/

Non-Native
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Non-Native
2 years ago
Reply to  THC

lol!! Do they have any Cajun spice variety?

Country Joe
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2 years ago
Reply to  Non-Native

Yes, they do and its Finger Lickin’ Good…

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
2 years ago

The Parking lot advocate guy and these dudes should team up and go on a world tour. The bloody weirdos could open for the shock value followed by the main act of Parking Lot man. Better yet, while Parking lot man is giving his talk, the bloody weirdos could be like backup singers and dance in the background to keep the audience awake. That would be amazing!

Akbar
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2 years ago

Just like abortion, Don’t like it, don’t do it. End of story. Now go find something else to rant about.

Guest
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2 years ago
Reply to  Akbar

Nope. Isn’t that simple at all. Both are infant abuse and need to be stopped

Yabut
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2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Strange marriage of ideas by some that doing unpleasant things to a infant’s penis is a crime equivalent to the women wanting abortion. Both are a crime against males? Says a lot the opinion holder. Mostly “die, stupid woman, die. You don’t matter as much as a foreskin.”

jacalope
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2 years ago
Reply to  Akbar

A few days old baby boy cannot make this decision concerning his own body. To able to consciously decide to terminate a pregnancy is a woman’s right to choose and has no similarity to circumcision.

Alf
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Alf
2 years ago
Reply to  jacalope

Bullshit. A few week old unborn can’t make a choice to be aborted or not. It’s murder plain and simple.

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  Alf

It’s only murder if you decide the woman carrying the unborn has no rights. If she does, it becomes a matter of balancing the rights of an independent being with the needs of a dependent one.

THC
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2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

At what age are children not dependent on their parents? if you left a 2 year old out side by them self do you think they would survive? So does that mean a perent both mom and dad should have the right to kill the 2 year old because they decided the child is a burden to them?

Guest
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2 years ago
Reply to  THC

Great point!

Yabut
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2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

No it’s not. It is melodrama only.

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  THC

Yes. Someone would be able and likely to take care of it. Because it does not need one specific person with one specific womb tobsurvive.
And again, it is not just the child involved in the issue. It is the mother who is involved too. The only thing that anti abortionist of extreme beliefs want to exclude from consideration.

THC
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2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

And a baby is viable at 23 weeks. Most people don’t argue against abortion when the life of the mother is in danger. Or in cases of rape, incest or extreme deformities of the baby. Some extremist do but the majority do not. Just like some extremist support abortion up to and after birth. They argue against using it as a form of birth control, a pride point of empowerment and forcing people to pay for it through taxes.

Creosote
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Creosote
2 years ago

I am a victim of an unsteady hand. As a result, none of my sons were circumcised and all are thriving. I encourage anyone to reconsider their options.

Creosote
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Creosote
2 years ago

You go first

Will Tatro
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Will Tatro
2 years ago

Interesting commentary…. I’m gonna need someone to explain to me though how this in any way antisemitism…??? It is Biblical and Biblical only. It was a covenant “mutual agreement” between God and his chosen people “the Israelites, or Jews. It was symbolic in the removal of the sinful flesh. The command is dated and no longer necessary to stand cleansed in front of a Holy and Righteous God. From my Christian worldview it really is a barbaric practice and an unnecessary. Today’s Jewish people still practice it but they also don’t believe that the Messiah has already been revealed to us. The New Testament makes many references to the symbolic circumcision in a spiritual denial of one’s flesh “desires”. There’s no ritual a man can perform to become undefiled. Salvation is found in repentance and faith. We’re saved by Grace alone, through Faith alone, in Christ alone.

Yabut
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2 years ago
Reply to  Will Tatro

No antisemitism shouldn’t be an issue. Apparently lots of cultures that are not judeo-christian have done it. Seems a fascination with the penis is pretty universal.

But the amount of outrage over circumcision does seem to attract the usual group of antisemites looking for validation. Too bad.

Expanding Insignificance
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Expanding Insignificance
2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

Only Christians believe in the propaganda that is ‘judeo-christian values’

Guest 2
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2 years ago

This is beautiful, really makes you wonder why no one has done this before. This “practice” is literally the most violent thing you could do to a newborn and will shape them their entire lives in ways they cannot remember or probably understand. We don’t do Clitoridectomies for a reason, not sure why some still mutilate baby boys. thanks for your activism!

Alf
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Alf
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest 2

Abortion is a million times more violent

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  Alf

But not as much as preventing them.

Mada N
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Mada N
2 years ago

Men can have a circumsion. Men, adults, over the age of 18, can make the choice.

Diablo Blanco
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Diablo Blanco
2 years ago

Maybe the debate around circumcision is anti semitic and maybe it’s not.

I do know one thing for certain, there is no other group in the world other than Orthodox Jews that practices the tradition of “Metzitzah B’peh”.

Creepy as fuck.

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  Diablo Blanco

Not true. Australian Aboriginals have a ceremony, as do the Bantu people in Africa. Various Hawaiian and Samoan peoples. South Americans. And it goes on in adult males too. One man’s pride is another man’s fear. The penis gets a lot of attention in any number of ways..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penile_subincision

Diablo Blanco
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Diablo Blanco
2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

You seem to be an expert. So just because other cultures do it to do that make it okay? Possibly less creepy?

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Diablo Blanco

Yabut, of all people, is actually not even mentioning the VERY, VERY, CREEPIEST of circumcision “ceremonies”…

Imagine that…

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Yabut
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Because every antisemite is already on that bandwagon. I just want to point out that particular bandwagon is already so overloaded it isn’t going anywhere.

Diablo Blanco
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Diablo Blanco
2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

The Wikipedia article you posted is about subincision. That’s totally different from Metzitzah B’peh. For those who don’t know Metzitzah B’peh is where the model or rabbi provides oral suction to an infants penis immediately after the circumcision.

My original comment stands.

Diablo Blanco
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Diablo Blanco
2 years ago
Reply to  Diablo Blanco

*mohel

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Diablo Blanco

Gosh, why would one suppose that Yabut failed to specifically mention that…???

Go figure…

Was Yabut, “Copping the Fifth”…???

Yabut
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2 years ago
Reply to  Diablo Blanco

Just because you choose to find it uniquely disturbing when there is lots more in the world pretty much the same or worse. Piercing ears in infants is pretty ugly yet lots of people do it without you getting all bent out of shape about it. Snake handling Christian sects. Vegans keeping their children malnourished. People having pitbulls around toddlers. Likely there are not a few here who are horrified by vaccination. Parents just pleased as punch when their toddlers handle guns. Sharing drugs with infants. It’s your squeamishness about Jews and only Jews specfically that makes it clear what is going on.

Diablo Blanco
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Diablo Blanco
2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

Keep trying to justify a religious leader putting a bloody baby dick in their mouth.

Somehow I’m the bad guy in this situation for pointing out that it’s wrong.

Is that antisemitism?

Crowdbuiltfuture
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2 years ago
Reply to  Diablo Blanco

Yabut: maybe Jews need to realize that some people are not super stoked on a god that’s into sadistic abusive shit like that. If a Satanist said ” my covenant with God instructs me to cut off kitten ears and we have done so for 3000 years” people would still be like, uh *nah bro* not cool. So maybe ITS THE THING BEING DISCUSSED THAT’S “ANTI” not the people doing it.

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Farce
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2 years ago
Reply to  Diablo Blanco

Many Catholic priests do this also. Only they skip the cutting part….

THC
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THC
2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

I’m sure we can all agree that both are disturbing..

havenrich
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2 years ago

Another of the choices made for me after birth and before my ‘majority’! Most likely done to/for me by my father as it had been done to/for him. Don’t know if my mother’s thoughts and wishes were considered. A sailor on my ship told of the pain experienced after having his circumcision done as a teenager due to some accidental tear and infection.

Thanks for proving our point!
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Thanks for proving our point!
2 years ago

Hi!? Woman here…
My preference is for y’all to keep that soggy sock lookin thing away from me. Y’all are constantly pinching, rearranging. It’s often dirty and stinky. It’s more likely to spread sti and yeast. No, thanks.
Also a wise old sage of a woman once asked me,’what do you call the useless skin at the end of a man’s penis?’
Me:?
Her: ‘the MAN’

So, ima just leave this here…..Do with it what you will ✌️

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THC
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THC
2 years ago

Then you should have your labia removed..

I am a robot
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I am a robot
2 years ago
Reply to  THC

Wrong. The vagina is a self cleansing organ. Your smelly uncircumcised penis is not.

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  I am a robot

Well it sort of isn’t. Unhygenic is unhygenic.
 Boy has this comment section exposed a lot of misinformation. And gone places that are better left out.
https://myheart.net/articles/smegma/

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THC
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THC
2 years ago
Reply to  I am a robot

lol, A self-cleaning Organ. I’d like to see you go down on a woman after she hasn’t taken a bath for a day or two, self-cleaning indeed..

Ronda Illis
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Ronda Illis
2 years ago

So much misery in the world, and these numpties focus on their penises. How totally useless of them

I am a robot
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I am a robot
2 years ago
Reply to  Ronda Illis

All men, circumcised or not, have that same focus.

Country Joe
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2 years ago

Someone has too much time on their hands…

pcwindham
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2 years ago

Boys who are circumcised have lower risks for contracting and transmitting STDs and penile cancer.

Expanding Insignificance
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Expanding Insignificance
2 years ago
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Which is why natural selection made them that way.
If you remove your breasts you will never get breast cancer and your doctor will make her mortgage payments thank goodness!

pcwindham
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2 years ago

I wonder what they think about surgeries for childhood gender dysphoria.

Mendo Known 50 years
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Mendo Known 50 years
2 years ago
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The disgusting trans-formation of small children using genital mutilation and hormones. Absolutely disgusting

Nccal
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Nccal
2 years ago

For men who are circumcised and unhappy about it, google “non-surgical foreskin restoration”.

Changed my life.

David , local
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David , local
2 years ago

Yes, critical news, the dickhead cowboys marching band

Country Joe
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2 years ago

What a waste of ether…

c u 2morrow
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2 years ago

he woke up last week feeling insignificant and what can he do to change this. I bet his dating life sucks.

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David , local
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David , local
2 years ago

Solar storm, Bill Gates having sex with Stormy Daniels this weekend, things are getting a little strange out there

Ed Thyssen
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Ed Thyssen
2 years ago

No one has addressed the elephant in the room: Good old SMEGMA! Circumcision is to prevent the accumulation of nasty old smegma. I once calculated out that at any one time there is about 20 tons of smegma in the world. I was once talking with a lady who in her days as a heroin addict many years ago had worked as a prostitute. She said what she and the other ladies disliked more than anything was a cheesy, unwashed, smegma covered penis. Tasted terrible! The even have a name for it — smeghorn. Its time to have a serious discussion about SMEGMA.

Country Joe
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2 years ago
Reply to  Ed Thyssen

And let’s not forget about SMEGMAGA…

pcwindham
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2 years ago
Reply to  Ed Thyssen

Not to mention paraphimosis and balanitis

Expanding Insignificance
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Expanding Insignificance
2 years ago
Reply to  Ed Thyssen

Cultural appropriation.

Karl Verick
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Karl Verick
2 years ago

Circumcision: “It’s a lousy job, but you get to keep the tips”

Mendocino Mamma
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Mendocino Mamma
2 years ago

The first person/people who came up with cutting genitalia. Can only imagine what the conversation was like. My first child I had circumcised. Was kept in the lobby after they strapped him down in a 5 point baby holder on his back, screaming. I was not allowed to comfort him. As he screamed my milk ran down my chest as I waited in the lobby as instructed. They normalized this. (The doctor had a long career and was even medical officer for a while at the end of his career). I was horrified. They brought me back in. My broken little baby in the device. They tapped on the plastic device on his lil blody penis and said it will fall off in about 10 days keep it dry put sone vaseline on it. My baby wimpered. He was 10 days old. Doctor says I cut a little too far but it should be fine. I was 24. Didn’t know better, normalized. It bothered me immensely. My baby seemed broken. I did not have my second son circumcised because of that. Later learned the doctor cut a bit of the tip of my son’s penis off on addition to the foreskin. Nearly 40 years later I remember it all like yesterday. The first person/persons who came up with cutting the genetaila of babies or genitalia cutting at all. Some judgmental controller you must do…then normalized by people beaten and tortured to comply. Ostracized if you didn’t your not holy. Um ok If so why did God/Creator evolve a foreskin or clitoral hood if it didnt belong and needed to be cut off? To that 1st genitalia cutting person/clique/person THANK YOU for bringing attention and conversation to this overlooked subject.

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Mendocino Mamma
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2 years ago

The first person/people who came up with cutting genitalia. Can only imagine what the conversation was like. My first child I had circumcised it was normalizedas what we do. Kept in the lobby after they strapped him down in a 5 point baby holder on his back, screaming. Not allowed to comfort him. He screamed could hear him clearly in the lobby from behind 4 doors. Milk ran down my chest as I waited in the lobby as instructed. They normalized this. (The doctor had a long career and was even medical officer for a while at the end of his career). I was horrified. They brought me back in. My broken little baby in the device. They tapped on the plastic device on his lil blody penis and said it will fall off in about 10 days keep it dry put sone vaseline on it. My baby wimpered. He was 10 days old. Doctor says I cut a little too far but it should be fine. I was 24. Didn’t know better, normalized. It bothered me immensely. My baby seemed broken. We both cried for days afterwards. 3 years later I did not have my second son circumcised because of that. Later when my son was a teen learned the doctor cut a bit of the tip of his penis off on addition to the foreskin. Nearly 40 years later I remember it all like yesterday. The first person/persons who came up with cutting the genitalia of babies or genitalia cutting at all. Some judgmental controller you must do…then normalized by people beaten and tortured to comply. Ostracized if you didn’t your not holy. Um ok If so why did God/Creator evolve a foreskin or clitoral hood if it didnt belong and needed to be cut off? How would a society of people know if a person has not been had their genitalia altered? We typically dont wave our genitalia around out in public to the masses to be judged. To that 1st genitalia cutting person/clique/person WTF. Lots of practices and habits become seen as barbaric, or are stopped as we learn more about how bad they are. Far less things and actons are banned completely.
THANK YOU for bringing attention and conversation to this overlooked subject

notheone
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notheone
2 years ago

100% agree.

pcwindham
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2 years ago

When a Maasai boy decides to become a warrior he first undergoes public circumcision. If he shows any pain, especially if he cries out, he brings discrace upon himself and his family. If not, he goes off into the bush for a couple of years to learn the way of the warrior from the elders and has no other human contact until the training is complete. It’s no longer required to kill a lion with a spear but it’s still a extreme test of knowledge and bravery. Every culture has it’s own way of doing things and it’s dicey for an outsider to pass judgement.

Mendocino Mamma
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Mendocino Mamma
2 years ago
Reply to  pcwindham

It is interesting in the development of these types of concepts of the Judgment past that a person must accept those things to be whatever the label is they’re trying to earn. To teach people to not be in touch with their emotions is a sad situation. In your example they’re not doing it to babies. It’s a choice I would imagine a man if he didn’t want to do that when it was time for that would leave the tribe.