Letter to the Editor: ‘Slouching Toward Bethlehem’

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Letter to the EditorAdvent, the 25 days leading up to Christmas, is a passage traditionally associated with wreaths, greetings and joy, a succession of purple and pink candles and mounting excitement. This year however it is a dark and dreadful path, followed with heavy tread and mounting dread. The Christmas stories told in churches, in carols, in the art and which permeate our traditions and culture, have been infernally transformed into a hideous reality torn limb from limb on the wheel of the daily news. It is king Herod returned to earth to fill the graves of the holy land with children.  Marys and Josephs are carried out of bombed hospitals with newborn infants, whose lives lasted milliseconds, cradled in their dead arms. Soldiers, like reembodied Roman centurions, pillage Christian churches In the city of the Nativity.

The towering wrath of Netanyahu reverberates with the sixteenth century Coventry carol, the lullaby of mothers to their doomed infants:

“Herod the King, in his raging, charged he hath this day, His Men of Might, In His Own Sight All Children Young to Slay” …

Israel aspires to erase all traces of its sibling faiths. Christian churches on the Mount of Olives, where Mary is said to have been buried, are being confiscated, in the name of creating a green National Park. Muslim cemeteries have been bulldozed, some containing the bones of Muhammad’s comrades, and, later, the Saracens of Saladin’s armies.  Mamilla Cemetery has been mostly swept away, and replaced by Independence Park, in a celebration of Israel’s creation.

The world appears helpless. As Yeats wrote, “the best lack all conviction, while the worst are filled with a passionate intensity”.

Christ was a Palestinian and a Jew, and Palestine is the Holy Land.  Here the Old Testament prophets admonished their human flocks, and Jesus was born, bringing his message of love. It was from here that Mohammad embarked on his miraculous Night journey to Heaven. The occurrence of the Nakhba should have instantly tipped off the imperialist world builders that their creation of a Jewish state in Palestine was not going to work.

Israel has lost the right to be custodian of the holy land. It is a failed state. It needs to go back, and solve the problem where it began. European Jews must rediscover their deep European roots, torn out only two generations ago. They should be given Upper Bavaria, where ideas of holocaust were once conceived. Or they could have Swabia, accompanied by a graceful exodus of Germans who in turn could be satisfactorily re-housed by hospitality engineers. Europe has shown expertise in absorbing newcomers. The relocation of Israel is just another of the challenging problems of rejected Empire.

Or, a nation state of Israel, currently confined to a mere 8,00 square miles, could be allowed a generous portion of the state of Nevada’s 110,000+ square miles.

This Advent, this season of Festivals of Light, celebrating the sun’s return, is a reenactment of the foundational metaphoric tales of our cultures, only in a macabre, mocking travesty. As MLK did, and would again put it, it is the liturgy of a final approach to spiritual death.

[Ellen Taylor]

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North westCertain license plate out of thousands c
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North westCertain license plate out of thousands c
2 years ago

Wouldn’t have this problem if they were atheist.
Organized religion is evil.

Non-Native
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Non-Native
2 years ago

True.

Mr. Clark
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2 years ago
Reply to  Non-Native

Did an atheist write this letter? Kind of sounds like a H8ter of the Jews.

Tim
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Tim
2 years ago

zionism is not religion. it’s just hate.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Tim, you are entitled to your opinion. But, I don’t have to host hate speech. If you continue to post hate towards a particular religion or race, you may be first put on moderation and then eventually you will be banned.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Did you edit something out from his post, because….?

Mr. Clark
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

We pray for you and Tim.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I removed a comment by this Tim. But in reference to this comment alone, Jews believing that they deserve a nation is no different than Canadians or Chinese or Americans believing they deserve a nation. You may not think it is good for the world and you are entitled to argue that. You are not entitled to argue on my site that Zionism itself is hate. That to me is hate speech.

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The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I know quite a few intelligent Jews that hate Zionism.

And I think it might be considered quite different than a person of Nationality to claim a Nation.

The core of it is that Jewish people are a religious community.

So what land is Catholic Church seizing as its own today in the name of “holy”?

tru matters
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tru matters
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Actually isn’t this statement from the letter writer hate speech?

“Israel has lost the right to be custodian of the holy land. It is a failed state. It needs to go back, and solve the problem where it began.”

Tim
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Tim
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I know it’s probably apparent to Kym but for the rest of you, there is more than one “Tim” commenting on the website and the one above ain’t me.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

I did check because that comment didn’t sound like you and was relieved to see it wasn’t. Maybe “TheRealTim”?

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Good to know.

Sometimes it’s happenstance.

Hopefully the above and other Tim will realize his infringement and add something to change his name slight.

Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
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Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Seriously, Kym? What are you threatening to censor Tim for? “Zionism is not a religion.” How in the Hell is that “hate speech”? Of course Zionism is not synonymous with Judaism. (Talk to some American Jews some time.) I can’t believe I actually have to point this fact out to adults, but Zionism is a POLITICAL philosophy, not a spiritual one.

Kym, are you making the argument that anti-Zionist Jews are anti-Semites? (If so, you’ve been watching way too much Fox “News” recently.). I sure hope not, because as hateful as that particular sentiment is someone may decide that you’re a hypocrite.

P.S. – I’m quite sure this will be censored as you censor anything I write for any reason, no matter what. Should I take to the airwaves and discuss your conservative-leaning censorship tactics and continual protection of Rex Bohn and his career criminal son Trevor? Your choice…

(If this comment disappears from your blog, I’ll take it that you want your name to be mentioned as a Bohn Bro.)

WRITE AN ARTICLE ABOUT TREVOR BOHN’s 1/12/2024 ARRAIGNMENT, if you expect this blog to be respected. Covering up Trevor’s arrest right before the election is 100% corrupt.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago

Tim made a comment that was deleted that you don’t have access to that highlighted the comment he did make (that you will note was left up) was borderline.

Trevor’s arrest has nothing to do with Rex’s political capabilities just as my brother’s arrest has nothing to do with my ability to write the news. Trevor is not a public figure. Not worried about the respect of people who think that an article about Trevor is important.

I am tempted to delete your comment because I suspect you have been banned before but as yet, you are entitled to express whatever boorish opinions you would like.

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago

No. People are evil. They misuse religion just as they misuse any organization from drug companies to charities to politics. Such atheists groups as Communists and Corporations have done at least as much evil wherever they gained power.

Long live Quakers, Universalists and those damn anti nuclear Catholic nuns…

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Religion makes good people do wicked things.

– Hitchens

Otherwise there would be no killing in the name of […], child genital mutilation in the name of[…], land grabs in the name of […], etc.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Are you pretending Atheists don’t kill people?

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

The point, apparently uncomfortable for you to see, is that your person spat with religion is pretty irrelevant in how humans behave.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

What would be the non-religious talking points for not allowing women to have access to abortions in the US?

Because economically, there are no wins.

And as far as liberty goes, we’ll, that’s gone for that arguement.

So tell me, what talking point would it be?

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

What a bizarre position inversely stating that abortion represents an economic win.

(Little do you know!)

Seems more of an anti-child-support position than it is a pro abortion or pro choice position…

You know what they say about the love of money…

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The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

I normally don’t respond to you.

But so you don’t twist it like a drunk mechanic;

My statement is not that “abortion is an economic win”.

My statement is that there are no economic benefits to RESTRICTING access to abortions.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Your restated statement,

“there are no economic benefits to RESTRICTING access to abortions.”

(A double negative.)

Directly implies…

“There are economic benefits to ALLOWING access to abortions”…

Or your original statement isn’t true.

And suggesting that “there are economic benefits to ALLOWING access to abortions”, is, like I said, a very bizarre, money oriented statement…

It has nothing, whatsoever, to do with women’s rights.

It has everything to do with the idea of putting the worship of filthy lucre above the sanctity of human life.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Your statement could also be translated to…

“There are no economic disadvantages of ALLOWING access to abortions”…

(Not necessarily true.)

But that would still be focused on money and have absolutely nothing to do with women’s rights.

You have exposed your hand.

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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

And what you focus on grasping is also your choice…

(Money, or the “right” thing…???)

Would retentive be the right word…???

Mr. Clark
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Its not nice to KILL babies.

furies
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furies
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

your buddies in the IDF think it’s just grand tho…and those women!

Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
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Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

I hope you’ve told Benjamin Netanyahu that.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I think the point that you’re missing is that people will come up with whatever they can to justify the behavior they want, and religion is likely generally the result of that.

Unless you believe that there are real supernatural origins of and benefits to religions that motivate the believers.

As for secular justifications for banning or limiting abortions, here’s two I can think of;

1. The state has a responsibility to control the population demographics in a way to maximize long term success of the nation. In service to that, a pregnancy deemed demographically essential can be protected from abortion by the state.

2. You could make a perfectly rational scientific argument that any viable human fetus is a legitimate human life that is protected by murder laws. Any line drawn after conception is for the conferring of human status on a fertilized egg is arbitrary and in service of some goal like practicality, not scientific fact. Murder is illegal, so the intentional elimination of a viable fertilized egg is also illegal.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago

Well, I really like the attempt at answering rationally and reasoning you’ve tried here.

Regarding #1: That is an argument that would only work with some pretty wild role of authoritarianism that we don’t have here and now.

Agree?

Regarding #2: Will these supposed murder laws forbid rape pregnancies, imperfect protective sex measures such as bad condoms, hormones, human error and medical exemptions?

Oh, and how about religious exemption?

Now, if you agree to all that, will this highly productive society now provide the financial backing to the unwilling, uninterested or unable women to raise such an important concept as to refuse her liberty in life?

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The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

On Statehood

If you want an authoritarian state role you would have to say that historically citizenship in those places are limited.

Perhaps needing an ID. Or State Card or Birth Certificate.

If that’s the case, I would say it’s just as feasible that a State could argue a life isn’t a life without an ID, or birth certificate.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Those goalposts must get heavy there Brian.

It seems like you’re actually asking for someone to come up with an argument that will convince you of a position you don’t hold without running afoul of the goals and values you do hold.

It’s OK for you to just admit and accept that you hate religion for your own reasons without insisting that holding all religion in the same disdain you do is the only logical position.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago

I don’t know why you are breaking down.

Please clarify if I’ve misunderstood.

Your arguement is for some authoritarian to force women into birth?

Albeit for reasons other than religion?

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

You asked for non religious arguments for barring abortion. I provided a couple. I bet we could come up with some more.

You don’t agree with them. That’s not surprising, you don’t support banning abortion. But they are arguments that don’t rely on religion.

Even if you managed to erase religion, people would still hold beliefs you didn’t agree with and develop arguments to support those beliefs. Religion is not the cause (again, unless you accept that there is a true supernatural basis of religion).

The Real Brian
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2 years ago

You asked for non religious arguments for barring abortion. I provided a couple. I bet we could come up with some more.

Did I really need to specify that the answers be realistic as in fit into the models of a functional democratic society?

Consider it specified now. Ridiculous!

You don’t agree with them. That’s not surprising, you don’t support banning abortion. But they are arguments that don’t rely on religion.

By your standards aliens and universal phenomenon may also be an answer, so look at the (what should have been obvious) specifications added above.

Even if you managed to erase religion, people would still hold beliefs you didn’t agree with and develop arguments to support those beliefs. Religion is not the cause (again, unless you accept that there is a true supernatural basis of religion).

This is not an arguement for why we should confuse fiction for reality.

Yes, religion gives people EVEN MORE to shit on each other with.

Especially if they’re actually devoted followers of the scriptures writing.

And I know that without religion I’d disagree with people. Cmon dude, please offer better.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

State controlled breeding is being practiced by one of the largest and most successful countries on earth as we speak. Arbitrarily declaring it “ridiculous” is just a cop out.

And I notice you’ve decided to just ignore the scientific argument against abortion that I offered.

It’s OK Brian, no one here expects you to acknowledge that some absolutist declaration you’ve made might have been in error. If taking swipes at religion brings you joy then I encourage you to enjoy that. We all find joy in different ways.

You may want to consider the lesson present in the fact that your powerfully and irrationally held beliefs aren’t universal

The Real Brian
Member
2 years ago

Here is the original question;

What would be the non-religious talking points for not allowing women to have access to abortions in the US?

To copy China is your answer?

But China has actually enforced abortions in limiting their births, its actually quite opposite of a working answer.

China does not force birth, infact, quite the opposite.

And no, I didn’t ignore your answer, I broke it down into some very light specifics and you bailed.

Essentially I’m waiting still for a coherent answer.

Mr. Clark
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Oh…..OOOHHH!

North westCertain license plate out of thousands c
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North westCertain license plate out of thousands c
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

I said organized religion!
I love people as long as they practice what they preach.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago

Religion is a horrible fiction animated to affect all of us from its adherents.

Thank you for posting that.

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

As evidence of the tolerance of atheists, such comment have the exact reverse of what you say. Apparently atheist are among the most war like of humans.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Without using religious arguements, explain why Palestine is considered a “holy land”:

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Because it is among the earliest places humans wrote their histories, fought over it and raised monuments to their successes. Or sometimes their failures. It has a very, very long written history.

Why does, for instance, do the Native Americans Tribes refer to sacred lands as “site of religious and/or cultural significance?” It’s a feeling of reverence and the ties to that land that makes it holy.

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The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

That is incorrect.

Perhaps a particular birth, particular rebirth and particular miracles…

Try to write that in an archeological accurate and historically accurate sentence now, without religion.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

The jews don’t care about the monuments marking the life of Christ. And the Muslims care most about the site said to mark the location of one of their most sacred events.

But really it’s “the holy land” because it’s about the most temple dense place on earth for the major religions that have impacted European history.

Mr. Clark
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

because it is where the Jews came form
the Arabs were nomadic tribes

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Guest
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Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

Every group was a nomad at some time. “I was here first” is a child’s game. More complicated for adults. I’m not sure being first is very inheritable.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

We will not miss you as you go back to Britain now.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

We will not miss you as you go back to So. America now.
Good for the goose, good for the gander.

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The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

I thought it was Cuba…

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Where ever, he’s not a Native American, and not born here, and has no right to tell anyone to leave except himself..

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The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

I love poisoning your blood.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Even still, it would appear that you prefer to poison your own.

Cheers.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Stop!

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

OK.

Just saw this this minute…

Been gone since about 3 pm.

Unfortunately, I dropped a few more comments before I saw this one, or it wouldn’t have happened…

My apologies.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

It’s your poisoned thoughts I’m so fortunate as to be able to shut down with the click of a button, I’m sorry for the people that don’t have that option.

The Real Brian
Member
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Oh, so now those words are insulting….?

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee….

Whoever would a thought.

?‍♂️

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Kym Kemp
Admin
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Good god you guys! How many times do you have to repeat the pattern? You start disagreeing about ideas, you degrade into more and more insults. Just don’t talk to each other. Or you’ll both end up on moderation.

The Real Brian
Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Please be specific who started insulting, I find myself frustrated I can’t respond to such comments without threat of moderation.

Kym Kemp
Admin
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I am not a mother moderating two children acting up in the back seat. I am not Judge Judy. I am a business owner who has been lenient with you before and see where this will end up. Both of you stop it. And whoever doesn’t stop it will face moderation and banning.

The Real Brian
Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Kym ,

I think I was reasonable with my question to you.

I respect your situation enough, you should know that.

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HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

It occurs to me that you are part of the pattern.
First he insults you and your site, and you tolerate it, and I understand why, so from there he feels free to insult anyone else he chooses, and it seems you expect me and others to accept it without retort because you do. If I or others don’t accommodate ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well you know.

The Real Brian
Member
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

I was talking to other people and you jumped in to insult my origin.

Now you’ll say that’s what I did to whom I was talking with.

Nay.

I used his own arguement against his position. Not an insult.

My blood poisoning statement is again using something you’ve just defended recently against you so you realise what it is better.

Me stating I won’t miss an expat is my biggest crime here.

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Kym Kemp
Admin
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

How very interesting…it is all my fault that you and Brian can’t play nice. Oddly, there’s only a few other commenters who are so infected by my behavior. But of course, it has nothing to do with your actions…

However, you have been warned that my failure to take insults seriously might be coming to an end and you will then end up on moderation or eventual banning. If that doesn’t bother you, then we don’t have a problem.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

That’s not what I said, and you know it.
You also know why I said what I did say.
I assume you’ll follow your conscience.

Kym Kemp
Admin
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

That is exactly what you said, HC. And I am very clear that you are shedding blame for your actions and I am not impressed.
I was trying not to get sucked into who did what first but since you insist…
To be absolutely clear, Brian did not speak to you first. You gratuitously insulted him. Brian was making a point in his..difficult…way that it is likely that Mr. Clark has ancestors that came here less than 400 years ago.while the Palestians are likely to have had ancestors there for over a 1000 years. Brian didn’t say it nicely, but he was making a legitimate point about Mr. Clark’s statement.
You, however, without being insulted by him at all, just insulted him –making no particular point but apparently just to sling nastiness. To look at it in the most generous light, you missed the point he was making and just reacted to the unpleasant tone he often includes with his responses..
Ergo, you insulted him first.

That said. I am not spending hours moderating and responding to this kind of crap. Both of you, stop it.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I can get with that. I appreciate the debrief for clarity.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Oh I’m staying.

I didn’t use the “they was there first” arguement for describing holy land.

But please, continue making yourself look good.

Is “good” the right word?

Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
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Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

Wrong. The vast majority of Ashkenazi Jews worldwide are predominantly European genetically – which is a proven scientific fact – with relatively little DNA derived from native Middle Eastern populations. There are very few Ashkenazis who have any actual Hebrew DNA. All you have to do is look at Ashkenazis. They’re almost all clearly White folks (light skin, light-colored hair often, even blue or green eyes often…) Now take a look at your average Palestinian – that’s what ancient Hebrews actually looked like. Go back and read your Old & New Testaments again, specifically how Jesus’ physical appearance was described for instance.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Because Netanyahu has dropped 29,000 bombs on it, not to mention all the Israeli projectiles fired into it, courtesy of Genocidal Joe Biden.

That land is now holier than Swiss cheese…

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Zipline
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Zipline
2 years ago

Xmas is a capitalist conspiracy to get people to spend their money on mostly worthless crap to keep this giant pyramid scheme going. The only power you have in this society is how you spend your money. Stop buying shit. Hit them where it hurts.

North westCertain license plate out of thousands c
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North westCertain license plate out of thousands c
2 years ago
Reply to  Zipline

My grandson is 7 so I don’t have a choice.
I had to get him some goodies.
I am all about Ba humbug though.

Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
2 years ago

I don’t think you made a point here.

I often am surprised by some of what is published on this blog, and what is allowed from some people but not allowed from others…

I guess I need my own news site, but my calendar is full…

Ellen, thanks for your submission, unintelligible or not…

Or as Paul Kantner and Grace Slick have written:

“Three thousand years of your God-damned glory…”

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Canyon oak
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Canyon oak
2 years ago

I’m pretty sure Jesus was not a ‘Palestinian’ in the ethnic sense of what it means today:
Arab and Muslim.
arabs are not the original inhabitants or governors of that land back in history, seems like Jews have the best genealogical claims.
likewise, who wants Muslims in their neighborhood other than Marin county types?
Europe thankfully is bringing down the mallet on Muslim colonies in ancestral European land.
I will concede that Christianity is pacifically contorted and needs to hammer out its war swords a bit for the modern Stone Age.
Regardless, I would go Christian any day over its rival culture Islam.
without a doubt Islam is Lame.
it rhymes because it’s true

furies
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furies
2 years ago
Reply to  Canyon oak

prove it

You can’t
Thanks Ellen for sharing your good sense.

Weottfam
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Weottfam
2 years ago
Reply to  Canyon oak

Christianity and Islam are not rival cultures. Judaism and Islam are not rival cultures. They have been living in peace together in Palestine and throughout the world for thousands of years.
Zionism is the rival to all religions. Any group of people who thinks they are “chosen” or “superior” is rasict.

Canyon oak
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Canyon oak
2 years ago
Reply to  Weottfam

Let’s be frank, even loggers and hippies clashed as one eventually turned into growers and subordinated the other.
Every culture vies for position, prominence and priority.
Not all to the same degree or in the same way, but still.
That’s why what is happening is happening.
People can get along sometimes it’s true,
But it’s only a matter of time before old lines of demarcation resurface in times of contest.

Chef Jeff
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Chef Jeff
2 years ago
Reply to  Canyon oak

Close, both turned into growers if they weren’t already!

Canyon oak
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Canyon oak
2 years ago
Reply to  Chef Jeff

True that lol?

Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
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Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
2 years ago
Reply to  Canyon oak

Yeah, it’s not like either side in the local racist redneck vs. dippy hippy divide would actually get a real job.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Weottfam

And when did this magical time occur in history? Because the only time that has been even close to true is when some powerful government like Rome, later Bysantium or the Ottomans suppressed factional fighting. Does anyone on this site ever read a history book? Both Christianity and Islam spread through forced conversions. Although Islam has a better grasp on it as their founding person was activily conquering rival in his lifetime.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Weottfam

I notice that you don’t say that Christianity and Judaism are not rival cultures…

Why is that…???

Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
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Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

And, in addition – has this person never heard of the 2nd World War?

Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
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Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
2 years ago
Reply to  Weottfam

BINGO!! WINNER, WINNER!!

Weottfam has won a chicken dinner.

“The Chosen People” B.S. could not possibly be any more racist and has directly led to hundreds of wars in the Middle East and elsewhere going back thousands of years. Jews were not chosen by anyone to kill for land.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
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The people of that region are, genetically, of a group called Levantine. They have had ingressions from the Caucuses, Arabia, and East Africa for Millennia but they are a distinct genetic group. And the people that lived their prior to mass European immigration, and still live there today, are descended from those Levantine populations that have lived there for many thousands of years.

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago

No fighting is as bitter as that among family. Especially over inheritance.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
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True that.

It’s unfortunate that the pressures of geopolitics have drawn so many power players into this conflict. Although, the location at the central meeting point of so many cultural spheres is probably why this region has been so hotly contested for so long.

Guest
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2 years ago

Proxy battles are always in play in every social issue. Humans tend to identify with groups and powerful people find that very useful in their pursuits. Besides familiarity makes sure you remember every minute transgression that keeps happening while, oddly enough, you take every good for granted. I guess no one sees a need to fix what is good for them so they can forget it.

Canyon oak
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Canyon oak
2 years ago

When you write ‘mass European migration’ you mean European Jews right?
Just curious cuz u seem more adept on the subject than I.
If so, then I agree European Jews might have European cultural attributes, or European citizenship, but they certainly aren’t Europeans racially except to the extent gained through of interbreeding.
It was my impression that European Jews were pushed back by european nationalist hostility in the 30’s to their ancestral homeland.
A place they have solid tribal claims to that predate the Arabic line claims in Palestine.
I’m no scholar on this obviously, but I would not consider Jews returning to a genealogical homeland as ‘European immigration’, since they aren’t blood line europeans.
As we know, nationality doesn’t imply racial genealogy.
Maybe it should, maybe it shouldn’t.
Nevertheless, Arabs can never be Europeans, and Europeans can never be Jews.
At least to the point I’m making.
And perhaps the Irish, the Danish and so on have been immigrating to Israel,
But I doubt it

Thatguyinarcata
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2 years ago
Reply to  Canyon oak

The Ashkenazi jews have levanitne blood, but less than the local Palestinian population (which has included a mix of jews, Christians, and Muslims, for hundreds of years). Of all of the large population groups in the area Israel/palestine the European jews have the lowest level of ancient levantine blood.

I’m confused about your claim that “Europeans can never be jews”, why not?

The original jews were a levantine people, so were the original christians. But both religions have long expanded beyond that narrow population because they have chosen to permit interbreeding and conversion for centuries.

Trying to make genomic claims to slivers of land is a losing battle generally, due to the migrant nature of human populations, but if you do want to make that argument it won’t go well for the Israelis.

Canyon oak
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Canyon oak
2 years ago

I mean that in the same way that I mean Europeans can never be Arabs.

Maybe we all got mixed up in the peach pie somewhere in the past, but I reject the notion that an Arab, Asian or an African can become European in a lineage sense just by getting national citizenship in a European nation.
I would never claim to be Asian or ethnically Chinese just because I moved to China and got citizenship.
I also will not claim to be a woman just because it sucks and is alienating to be a man sometimes.
My point was not to make an anti Jewish statement, it was to make a pro-strain retention and lineage identity point.
We can all cross breed thanks to economic colonialism and human migration, and that’s ok even though it can complicate personal identity issues, but I’m not going around claiming to be American anymore(other than as a nationality and citizen)when my ancestry prior to the last 150 years pretty surely is exclusively from northern and Central Europe, patents pending, lol.
And yes, I am not going back.?

Thanks for the info on lineage in the Israel/Palestine area.
So many era’s and cultures.

Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
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Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
2 years ago
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Again, I can’t believe I have to point this out to an adult, but have you never heard of Lawrence of Arabia?

Go watch “ Lawrence of Arabia” ASAP.

Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
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Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
2 years ago

BINGO!! Another winner.

Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
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Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
2 years ago
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WTF?!?

Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
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Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
2 years ago
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No moderation of this blatantly bigoted comment? Isn’t that interesting!

Hmmm… Well, at least now I know Kym Kemp must be censoring only those who offend her conservative sensibilities.

Shel
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Shel
2 years ago

interesting ramble filled with emotion, a few facts and a lots of made up history/ mis-information on other’s religion; First hint: secular/commercialized ‘advent’ may be 25 days but for the religious, its longer so check your facts from there on out. But perhaps the writer’s intent was to project/mislead people about other’s religions. When you fill a piece full of errors compounded by rambling emotional words, its hard to take it as a serious piece but rather gives the impression of an attention seeking piece that does nothing for the subject matter that should be discussed. But get the facts together first and stop trying to represent other’s religions and their history (not your prespective/ interpetation).

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
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You seem to have missed the point.

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2 years ago
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You see to have too.

thetallone
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thetallone
2 years ago

If people really believed what their religions say, there wouldn’t be any wars.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
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I’m pretty sure that war is completely justifiable within the Jewish scripture

tru matters
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tru matters
2 years ago

And Christians are soooooo peaceful. Maybe you should think about starting a new Crusade.

Also, most scholars think this Jesus was born in September. Your actually celebrating the winter solstice.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago

Tim
Somehow, I don’t think you care at all that Christ was killed, as much as you see this as the perfect opportunity to display your racism against a minority race, after calling others racist for as long as I can remember reading here.
“Hideous beasts” People are individuals that believe differently, even within the same race or religion.
Got a mirror? Who do you see in it?

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Dogbiter
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Dogbiter
2 years ago

Interlocking alliances suck!

VHDA
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VHDA
2 years ago

Follow the money, mark my words……it’ll be about the oil off the coast

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
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And the gas fields…

Israel is fracking Gaza to make oil and gas extraction more lucrative for only Israelis.

Your comment is on point.

furies
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furies
2 years ago

@Kahlissee
Dec 20
Key figures from brutal Israel Genocide on Gaza.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (74 days) on the total genocidal war.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (1,697) massacres
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (26,667) killed and missing
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (19,667) killed who arrived in hospitals.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (8,000) children killed.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (6,200) females killed.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (310) killed from the medical teams.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (35) Civil Defense team killed.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (97) Journalists killed.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (7,000) missing, 70% of whom are children and women.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (52,586) infected.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (99) cases of arrest of health personnel.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (8) detained journalists.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (1.8) million displaced people in the Gaza Strip.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (355,000) infected with infectious diseases as a result of displacement.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (126) government headquarters destroyed by the occupation.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (90) schools and universities were completely destroyed by the occupation.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (282) schools and universities partially destroyed by the occupation.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (112) mosques were completely destroyed by the occupation.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (200) mosques partially destroyed by the occupation.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (3) Churches targeted and destroyed by the occupation.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (52,600) housing units were completely destroyed by the occupation.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (254,000) housing units partially destroyed by the occupation.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (23) Hospitals taken out of service by the occupation.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (53) health centers that the occupation took out of service.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (140) health institutions were partially targeted by the occupation.
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f4cd.svg (102) ambulances were completely destroyed by the occupation.

MAKE IT STOP!! PLEASE MAKE IT STOP

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  furies

I’m not sure what happened here. But your image links are now a single emoji.

tru matters
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tru matters
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

God works in mysterious ways.
Or your software doesn’t like so many links.

Dogbiter
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Dogbiter
2 years ago
Reply to  furies

Appears you have PLENTY of time on your hands. Maybe you have time to make it stop.

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
2 years ago

Amazing story about an IDF bomb sniffing BM who was months from retirement and had a grenade blow up in her face. She is being given Hyperbaric Oxygen treatment whole body. She is doing beyond expectations. That is a hero.

Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
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Trevor Bohn Arrested Again
2 years ago
Reply to  Al L Ivesmatr

We’re somehow supposed to give a rats patootie about a damaged dog in the middle of a historic act of genocide at the hands of those recently descended from victims of genocide? (The irony never ends!) Go ahead and persecute me for being a speciesist. I can take it – and justify it in this instance.

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago

I’m getting worked up too. So…not sure this fits here but I’m posting it anyways….
Pete Seeger “My Rainbow Race”…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xatpVjkOfFc