Rally for Ceasefire in Gaza on Veterans Day Draws Largest Crowd Yet
Protestor at Saturday’s March on the Plaza. [Photos by Ryan Hutson]
The local group of activists articulates three goals they are advocating for: a complete ceasefire, the liberation of Palestine from a “Zionist apartheid regime,” and, to end US funding to Israel. To that end, the organizers we spoke with add that they have the support of a well known anti-war lobbying group, the Jewish Voice For Peace, in their request for a resolution in support of Palestinians from both the Eureka and Arcata City Councils.
Members of Humboldt For Palestine explained the progress the local pro-peace movement has seen, and what they hope for with future rallies planned for the county Courthouse in Eureka.
In Arcata, the rally cries of “BOYCOTT CHASE,” “FREE FREE PALESTINE” and “CEASEFIRE NOW” were shouted as protesters made their way around the Plaza, and through part of Arcata. The rally-goers held hand-made signs decrying the month-long siege, some leveling accusations of genocide, and others promoting the Boycott, Divest, Sanctions movement (BDS), and some used a megaphone to address the crowd as they marched around the Plaza amongst small farmers and their produce booths midst the sunshine and fresh goods of the market.
Over 50 protesters marched from the plaza after making a call to action during Arcata’s farmers market.
Chants at the protest encouraged resistance against what one protester explained was the long-standing presence of a “Zionist apartheid government” occupying a land of “an indigenous people”.
While the brutal October 7th attack from Hamas is considered a terrorist attack by many – being the worst attack on Jewish people since the holocaust, and with Hamas being designated a terrorist organization by several (mainly Western) nations including by the US and the UK – there are differing viewpoints. As activists at the protest in Arcata explained, many Palestinian rights advocates hold that Hamas is a response to “living under Israel’s occupation” for decades and the Palestinian people deserve to live “free from apartheid” without Israeli government control.
We were able to speak with a few activists who were participating in the rally, in order to learn more about their concerns, and what efforts they are making to impact the situation from Humboldt County. One protester said, in regard to a pro-Zionist perspective, “they’ll try to tell you it’s not a genocide, but it is a genocide by definition, …they are massacring, wiping off the registry entire families… .”
One young man who attended the rally Saturday was willing to share his perspective on the highly-scrutinized, much politicized circumstances of the current war, and the larger picture. [All videos by Ryan Hutson]
Some of the signs held by protesters at the rally accused Israel of acts of genocide. Speaking with one of the activists after the rally had concluded, he stated that he believed acts of genocide were being committed based on the continuous military actions against Palestinians in the Gaza strip by Israeli Defense Forces.
Protestors marching on the Plaza.
Looking back at how acts of genocide came to be defined, genocide was recognized as a crime under international law by the United Nations General Assembly in 1946, and was later officially codified and described in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in 1948. This international understanding between governments was a result of humanitarian efforts to prevent further atrocities like those heinous crimes committed against the Jewish people (and other maligned cultural and social groups) by Hitler’s Nazi regime following the liberation of concentration camps and international efforts to address the nature of such crimes against humanity. The definition of genocide under this convention is written as follows:
“In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.”
High-ranking United Nations Officials have also been calling Israel’s bombing in Gaza genocide. Reuters reported last week that “On Oct. 28, departing senior U.N. human rights official Craig Mokhiber wrote to the High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Turk, saying: “we are seeing a genocide unfolding before our eyes, and the Organization that we serve appears powerless to stop it.”
UPDATE BY THE NUMBERS:
According to the Associated Press, Hamas still holds 239 captives, a mix of soldiers and civilians ranging in ages from 85 years to 9 months, in unknown conditions within Gaza. Plans for any additional transfer of hostages from Hamas out of Gaza remains to be seen, although Netanyahu recently agreed to allow for daily 4-hour breaks in the the otherwise unrelenting bombing from Israeli Defense Forces, in order to provide “Humanitarian Pauses” as negotiated for largely by the Biden Administration with urging from various diplomats and United Nations officials in the past several days.
Additionally, the exact number of remaining hostages held, from which countries they may hold dual citizenship, and their exact names remain largely unknown. The Wall Street Journal recently reported on political developments, and quoted an Egyptian official in regard to the ongoing negotiations to secure the release of captives taken by Hamas militants on October 7th. That official said, “This is the most complicated hostage negotiation process you could possibly imagine.” The WSJ wrote, “[S]ince talks also involve demands for humanitarian aid and a continuing war, not just a prisoner swap,” things were proceeding slowly. According to WSJ, the unnamed Egyptian official added, “One day you think we are close to a deal and the next we are back to the very beginning.”
A graphic from the United Nations with data reflecting developing statistics and regional information on humanitarian matters in Gaza.
At the time of the publishing of this article on the day after Veterans Day, the estimated number of Israeli deaths since the war began just over a month ago numbered over 1200 according to data collected by the UN, with an additional loss of 42 Israelis within Gaza, and 5,400 Israelis reported injured. Of those deaths, “at least 31” are reported to be children who were killed in the indiscriminate onslaught by Hamas militants on October 7th, according to Israeli reporting sources. This estimate of total fatalities was revised down from 1400, to 1200 recently by Israeli officials.
The number of Palestinian fatalities according to the UN are 11,078 and rising, including over 4,500 dead children, with 1,500 still missing and presumed dead under the rubble of destroyed refugee housing that densely saturate the Gaza Strip. Another 27,500 people are injured, many of whom are relying on a crippled hospital network for treatment.
A graphic from the United Nations with data reflecting developing statistics and regional information on humanitarian matters in Gaza.
According to the Israeli Defense Forces, 150 Hamas fighters were killed in recent military actions, as the IDF conducts ground operations within the Gaza Strip. Wanting to keep up the pressure on Hamas, Israel has not been open to the idea of a ceasefire, but has recently allowed for brief “humanitarian pauses” to allow for residents to move out of besieged neighborhoods in search of any relief to the south.
At the end of the Humboldt For Palestine rally in Arcata, an announcement was made that ongoing rallies will take place weekly, beginning Friday next week, outside the Humboldt County Courthouse in Eureka at 4pm. At this time, we don’t know of any pro Israel rallies, but will update with information if possible.
Ongoing in-depth coverage by the Associated Press offers clear and detailed coverage of the matter, for those wanting a real-time update on the crisis.
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All war begins within the individual. Make peace there first, between heart and mind, then address the rest of the world.
war is between governments, and political factions, not people
People who chose to to attack and kill random people as young as infants and as old as 80, who toll away old women in wheelchairs to keep as hostages, and do it to people are no threat to anyone, have declared war on those people. And Hamas is the elected government of Gaza. They are not innicent.
Sure because while Hamas was throwing the Palestinian Authority off the tops of buildings and waging a brutal war against them, while killing people who spoke out, people felt safe to vote against Hamas. Let me guess, you are probably one of those people who think the 2020 election in the United States was stolen but you think the elections in Gaza were somehow free and fair?
Consider the data. It’s from hamas. Hamas has a PR wing, that lies. They also use their people as human schields.
Conversely, the Israeli government doesn’t lie? Nor does the US or hour media?
Nor do commenters, protesters and many others? You missed the example of what use the Hamas has for their data. It has nothing to do with data.
Taqiyya (“al Taqiyya”) is the Muslims’ license to lie to infidels in order to camouflage Islam’s holy war strategy (jihad) to conquer the world. The strategy mentioned through orders and solicitations in the Quran 3:28 and other Islamic writings and reference applies to all Western countries and against all infidels people (non-muslims) who is not Islamic and therefore seen as a constant threat to Islam.
We will never be Muslims. We are a free people, who have millions, no, hundreds of millions of guns, ammo estimated to top 1 billion rounds. Just try it. We love moving targets. And that goes for domestic assholes who want our guns so they can control us. Try it.
These people are an embarrassment. They should be protesting against jihadists and antisemitism. El Queda is the name I gave Arcata long ago. And the UN is just as bad. I dont trust their information at all.Hamas has reaped what it has sown. It’s on them.
So… you don’t study Middle East history… eh ?
I have extensively. No doubt before you were born.
I don’t think so. Sure let’s talk about…
Bombing of the King David Hotel
Bernadotte was assassinated on Friday 17 September 1948 by members of the group Lehi, a Zionist terrorist organization, commonly known in the West as the Stern Gang.
Deir Yassin Massacre.
Palestinian expulsion from Lydda and Ramle
Al-Dawayima Massacre
Saliha Massacre
Eilabun Massacre
Then, of course we have the big list…
During the 1947–1949 Palestine war around 400 PalestinianArab towns and villages were depopulated, with a majority being entirely destroyed and left uninhabitable.[1][2] Today these locations are all in Israel; many of the locations were repopulated by Jewish immigrants, with their place names replaced with Hebrew place names.
During the 1948 Palestine war in which the State of Israel was established, around 700,000[fn 1] Palestinian Arabs or 85% of the total population of the territory Israel captured fled or were expelled from their homes by Israeli forces.[1]
More current…
The Sabra and Shatila massacre was the 1982 killings of between 460 and 3,500 civilians—mostly Palestinians and Lebanese Shias—in the city of Beirut during the Lebanese Civil War.
The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navytechnical research ship (spy ship), USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navymotor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War.[2] The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two marines, and one civilian NSA employee), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship.[3] At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[1][4]
The conspiracy spinners on the internet needed to replace the income that fell off when the Covid pandemic waned. This is a godsend for their bottom line.
Even if any of that is true, the conclusions are headbanging insane.
Learn About the War Crimes the US government has allowed #Israel to Commit With Impunity Against the United States During its Attack on the USS Liberty at https://ussliberty.com
Don’t forget the massacre of Jews in Hebron in 1929, before the UN called for the establishment of the State of Israel.
All propaganda from the Palestinians. Lots of exaggeration.
You’re no Jeffersonian.
You couldn’t see a false flag from a mile away.
9/11 was used to take a lot of our rights away.
This false flag is no different, only now it’s innocent Palestinian’s lives.
You never explained to me why Netanyahoo has been grinning so damn hard since this all started.
You probably think 9/11 was done by a dude in a cave.
Imagine if you were born in Gaza. You think you might be a little upset about the way the Israelis have been treating you and your ppl?
All Hamas had to do was not be insane murderers. Even now, they could surrender and release the hostages. They’d rather die hiding behind their own women and children.
They’ve fired over 9,000 rockets at Israel and haven’t stopped. They killed over 30 Americans and kidnapped as many as 20 others. They raped a German girl to death–a girl who was at a music festival to raise funds for Palestinian causes…
I have nothing but contempt for these so-called protestors. They’re either enemy agents or traitors. They ought to be deported or expelled.
And by the way, yes, there are “rules of war” as set down in the proceedings of the Hague and Geneva Conventions. Hamas has not followed them and deserves none of the protections therein.
They have turned hospitals, schools, and places of worship into legitimate military targets. They have used ambulances to carry troops and munitions. Many of them operate out of uniform. They mercilessly slaughtered non-combatants.
No one with any sense of personal honor or integrity can defend them. Regardless of alleged provocations from Israel or others.
It saddens me to read misaimed hate against innocent civilians. Random people in Gaza have nothing to do with Hamas actions. Israeli leaders are simply destroying the region with the goal of killing every person in their way until they succeed in their mission to expand the Israeli state. People, please just do some simple research about the ever changing map of the region over the last 100 years.
This is nothing new. Israeli radical leaders/aggressive Jewish settlers continue to push weaponless Palestinians(Muslim/Christian doesn’t matter) out of their homes and neighborhoods and then set up checkpoints around the newly conquered area and don’t allow non-Israelis in. The fact is Palestinians don’t own weapons. They don’t have a military. They are poor AF because they can’t even leave their neighborhoods. That is why in every article it talks about how Palestinians throw rocks. Duh, because they don’t have any weapons to stop these people from invading their homes. What would you do?
Just imagine a military coming to your home in full riot gear and telling you to leave or we will kill you and your entire family.
How about this?
Why not stop hamas from building intricate tunnel systems under their homes?
How about the fact the inocent were given time to leave before any attack by Israel.
How about the fact that Hamas is a terror group and doesn’t care about innocent women and children.
It was proven when they came through the boarder and started savagely killing women and children. Putting babies in ovens and leaving them to die. Maybe everyone on here needs to go look at the go pro footage Hamas has of what exactly they did. Maybe just maybe stop believing the main stream media and listen to people who live in that area that are boots on the ground.
I posted a link in another comment go watch that. One man is boots on the ground. May just open eyes.
#?
“Why not stop hamas from building intricate tunnel systems under their homes?”
Who stop Hamas? The civilians are supposed to stop guys with guns? How bout this this, restore human rights to the Palestinians. I just don’t understand how one could support 70 years of oppression. And it sounds like you want the Palestinians to roll over and take what they get. Imagine if you were born in Gaza, you think you might be a little pissed?
Chanting bigotry in the streets is does not make it true. Gaza Palestinians elected Hamas as their leaders. They in fact only had two candidate groups- Hamas and Fatah- and chose the one of the two that swore to kill more Jews. Not strive for peace but make more war.
Even more telling, these two massacred each other ruthlessly over who was going to lead the war with Israel. “The Fatah–Hamas conflict (Arabic: النزاع بين فتح وحماس an-Nizāʿ bayna Fataḥ wa-Ḥamās) is an ongoing political and strategic conflict between Fatah and Hamas, the two main Palestinian political parties in the Palestinian territories, leading to the Hamas takeover of the Gaza Strip in June 2007. The reconciliation process and unification of Hamas and Fatah administrations remains unfinalized and the situation is deemed a frozen conflict.
The Palestinian Independent Commission for Citizens’ Rights has found that over 600 Palestinians were killed in the fighting from January 2006 to May 2007.[14] Dozens more were killed or executed in the following years as part of the conflict.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2%80%93Hamas_conflict
These are are your “innocent ordinary” Palestinians. When not executing Israelis, they execute each other. What heros…
Not true if Israel wanted to kill everybody in Gaza they can do it in a matter of hours they’re being very careful
Yeah they’re not being careful. The only reason they aren’t doing that is because if they did, Turkish forces would come down through Syria so fast it would make your head spin. Syrian Army would just let the Turks through and Israel would be wiped out between Turkey and Iran. The US would be able to do nothing and Israel would be destroyed.
”Israel will not last.” – Henry Kissinger
As per the law of land warfare if they do not abide by the laws set forth they have no protection from them.
They are cowards and evil praying on the innocent and hiding in zone not supposed to be targets thus making them legitimate targets. If people can not process that they need to quit drinking the coolaid and learn critical thinking not parroting ideologies.
Israel is accomplishing the creation of a whole new generation of Hamas. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Tough talking distant politicians send their society’s kids to kill other’s kids. Those posturing from their ivory towers have a hard time doing what one famous Jew said,
“turn the other cheek”
This retribution hasn’t TAUGHT Palestinians not to support Hamas. Only killed more people, and generated more enemies.
Has the Israeli state done exactly what Hamas triggered them to do?
All actions have bot positive and negative consequences. You have to evaluate them all. In this case they have tried negations peace deals and limited strikes. All it got was 1400+ people slaughtered. People thought they could negotiate with Hitler as well look at history and how that worked. Hint look up Nevell Chamberlain.
Israel is doing exactly what they need to do. Killing and dismantling Hamas. They prey on their own people as much as anyone else. Look up what the son of one of the founders said Israel needs to do. He was part of Hamas and is now living in the US and a Christian.
Come on man. Give war a chance………….
The IDF has revised that number downwards to 1200 per the article. If you can’t demonstrate simple reading comprehension skills, how much are your opinions and points actually worth?
Palestinians ran their lives hating Israel and all Jews long, long before Hamas existed. Hamas creates Hamas and will execute any Palestinian who disagrees with Hamas. Palestinians have always, always fought for dominance. This they have no common enemy to distract them, they kill each other.
That’s quite the racist comment.
You’ve just lumped millions of people into one homogeneous group and slandered them with a description that just isn’t true.
There is no Palestian race. Never has been. Like all interfaces between powerful neighbors, the history of Palestine is one of conflict and cross cultural war. The area’s ancient tribes prehistory of conflict is recorded in the Bible. The ancient Egyptians, ancient Greeks, ancient Roman’s, ancient Persians, Turks, Arabs, Europeans, etc have all recorded it, fought there, mixed and ruled there. If you want a more modern example there’s the war Hamas and Fatah fought. Conflict is that part of the world is endemic. Only a fool thinks of noticing that as racism. In fact the word racism has been so debased as to come tomme simply me versus them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)
It is only some people’s need to identify with Palestinians in order to trot out their own proxy hate, rant against it out of angst, and call out genocide, with all that word’s loaded meaning, that created your insult. There has never been a time free from conflict in the Midfle East. Period.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Middle_East
You point to a history of struggle againt invaders as proof that Palestinians are a violent people. That’s fallacious.
And surmising that an entire populace is hate-filled and violent is racist. That’s not misusing the term.
Glad you admit that the Palestinians did not have a free and fair election. Thats a start. So since we are in agreement that Hamas was not actually elected, how do you justify Israel killing 100 Palestinian civilians for every 1 radical jihadist?
Funny isnt it that when bibi wasnt pm and trump was in office there was peace talks and improvements in the region. Trump is out and somehow bibi gets back into pm and now all this fighting . Remember bibi can not be trusted he swore to end all Palestine people and now that he is back in power he has set about to do it once again, i can agree that the media is not being controlled on this and bibi is just the sort of person to kill his own child if it would advance his goals let alone someone elses think with your minds not with what the news outlets are feeding you or just jump on the band wagon and blindly follow whatever line of b/s you will swallow
Very well said and true
They live in a prison. No different than the Warsaw ghetto. And you accuse them of hiding behind other prisoners!
They offered to give up the hostages for a cease fire. Israel refused.
Additionally, Israel created Hamas, and funded them. They did this specifically so that they could attack Gaza indiscriminately.
and you really believe that?
Why yes. Allowed Hamas to grow… split Palestinians into two political groups.
PLO and Hamas. Encouraged infighting between the two groups.
Poor little Palestinians so easily maneuvered by big bad Israel that they are forced to war with each other? Sheesh. That’s actually as irrational as the conspiracy belief in Agenda 21
If Palestinans are so easy turned against each other, that too is on them. Just like the political internet acrimony here is on us. During the centuries when Israel didn’t even exist, that area was constantly at war with itself. Before the ancient Roman’s. Before the ancient Egyptians. Cultures that no longer exist were at it. Trying to rationalize away the evidence that tarnished the current rhetoric of poor innocent Palestinians in order to impose Progressive ideology of victims and cruel overlords on everyone here is manipulation that hopefully most people will not swallow whole.
No one is forced to war with themselves. They do so because they want control. It’s easier to kick a family member than to take on a hostile outsider. If Israel takes advantage of that, then that is still on those who can not find unity of purpose in the face of even great loss. The parallel to politics in the US is terrifying. Only who holds this fictious gray eminence in that divide?
Its well documented. March 2018 Bibi Netanyahu said: “If we want to keep the Palestinians in the West Bank separate from the Palestinians in Gaza, we must fund and support Hamas. Keeping the Palestinians in the West Bank separate from Gaza is our geopolitical prerogative.”
Yup.
I want to put something in perspective for you, in the Russo-Ukraine War there have been 9,600 civilians killed after over 500 days of fighting. There are hundreds of thousands of combatants who have been killed. In the Israel-Hamas war, after just over a month of fighting, there has been over 11,000 civilians killed, and 150 Hamas fighters. That’s almost 100 civilians per enemy combatant. Israel needs to figure out a better way to go about this. That ratio is unacceptable, I don’t care who you are.
At that rate, if there are 5000 Hamas fighters that will leave 500,000 civilians dead. Is that an acceptable civilian death rate to you? Something is clearly wrong. Is it ok to wipe 25% of a civilian populace away to accomplish a military objective?
You have no perspective. One man murders ten people in a shootout in the US, he is one man against millions of non murdering people. He still either surrenders for his crimes or he dies holed up. There is no stupid statistical equivalency rule.
I have plenty of perspective. I just gave you a perfect equivalency. Answer The question instead, is that an acceptable civilian death rate to you? Is Vladimir Putin a war criminal because of an invasion which has killed 9,600 civilians in 500 days? If so, how is Israel not guilty of war crimes for killing over 11,000 civilians in less than 50 days.
Your comment is completely irrelevant.
Causality comparisons are foolish when one side is simply not capable of defending its civilians but refuses to stop attacking.
If Israel turned off the iron dome and let the rockets land would you flip your support because the casualty stats became more equitable?
Did you not read my comment? Your response is irrelevant, you answered not one question. I don’t want the losses to be “equitable,” I want both sides to stop murdering innocent civilians. I compared the casualties of the Russian-Ukraine war to the current war in Gaza. Vladimir Putin has been declared a war criminal because of his invasion of Ukraine which has left 9,600 civilians dead in over 500 days. The IDF has killed over 11,000 Palestinian civilians in under 50 days, yet has only managed to kill 150 Hamas fighters. The IDF is killing somewhere around 100 civilians per single Hamas fighter.
Is that level of civilian casualties acceptable to you, 100 civilians per single Hamas fighter? Do you believe Vladimir Putin to be a war criminal who must be brought to justice? If so, how come you don’t feel the same about Netanyahu? Do you believe Palestinian lives to be worth less than Ukrainian ones? If the IDF continues its current, unprofessional, piss poor performance, they will murder some half a million Palestinian civilians in order to kill 5000 Hamas fighters. Will that solve the problem? Is that level of brutality acceptable to you? Do you believe all Palestinians should be wiped from the face of the earth?
Funny how not one Arab country has offered to take in any refugees
I pray America doesn’t open its doors to these refugees.
They will only cause trouble in the years after they immigrate
I pray America stops accepting refugees altogether and seals the southern border. It’s too late though, plenty of Hezbollah operatives and Shia militants have already infiltrated our country through our wide open southern border, if we are to careful we will suffer a fate far worse than Israel did on October 7th. All of you keyboard warriors will get what you want, fighting terrorists, right here at home! Oh boy!
The Arab countries don’t take in any Palestinian refugees because they know that’s exactly what Israel wants and would be equivalent of rewarding bad behavior. Geopolitics is a very ugly game, especially in that area. That’s why we need to get our warships, marines, and aircraft carriers out of there! If we did Israel would stop immediately.
Has there ever been a war where the leader is not labeled a war criminal by the opposition? How do you think Europe, Asia, South America & Africa see American presidents? They are all war criminals, which makes the moniker irrelevant.
Its a fallacy because you’re confusing Hamas lack of capabilities to kill civilians as brownie points for Palestinian victimhood, they’re still firing those rockets at Tel Aviv, missing does not make them morally superior.
No civilian deaths is acceptable to me, Netanyahu or Hamas targeting civilians is unacceptable, but I would never reduce these complex scenarios down to casualty comparisons. Japan:USA civilian casualties were 10,000:1 does that mean USA wrong to liberate the south pacific? We all want the least amount of suffering possible, but attempting to contextualizing who is right/wrong with statistics will lead you astray
The past does not justify the present, if that were the case we would have to give our land back to the Native Americans and I don’t see anyone jumping to do that.
I never said Hamas was moral in any way shape or form. They’re terrorist animals. I have a problem with Israel killing 100 Palestinian civilians to 1 radical jihadist. That shows that Israel’s military capabilities aren’t that great, it also shows that the IDF isn’t any more moral than Hamas is, when the IDF certainly should be more moral.
The 100:1 ratio is meant to deceive.
Do you think 99 out of 100 people in Hamas are against what Hamas did and are not in favor of the annihilation of Israel?
Because any adult in Gaza who supports Hamas and/or is in favor of killing all Israelis is NOT an innocent civilian and Israelis have every right to kill them before they get killed themselves. 61% of the population supposedly voted for Hamas. I know you will argue that number, which is fine, but do you really think it is only 1%? If that were true, the 99% would kill the 1% and make peace with Israel. But of course, that is not even close to correct!
So, your 100:1 ratio is ridiculous. Of course there are some (a small minority from what I’ve seen) who don’t want all jews dead and the children who don’t deserve to die, even if they have been brainwashed into believing the same, but the real ratio is probably closer to 1:1 at the worst. And 1:1 is just the cold reality of war.
I will not answer your questionable ideas just because you want it. That is a petty power play that is easily avoided.
So you choose emotion rather than discussion. These are not ideas, these are questions grounded in fact. You know that your reasoning is shaky at best and most likely biased and wrong. Why don’t you answer this one question is a civilian to terrorist death ratio of 100:1 acceptable to you? Because at this current point in time that’s where it stands. I’m not afraid to answer any questions but you are unable to. Maybe if you can’t have a discussion you should leave the discussion and keep your comments to yourself.
How do you say your position is wrong and indefensible without actually stating that? Oh you just did.
…”a petty power play”…?♂️
One difference is that Israel had terrorist come and kill civilians to start this war.
Did Russia come and start the Ukraine war by killing innocent civilians?
True, that is one difference. The situation in the Donbas was ugly and we could debate that all day, but whatever happened there to start the war is a different discussion. How is it that Big Bad Vlad is a war criminal after killing 9,600 innocent civilians in over 500 days and Bibi isn’t considered a war criminal after killing over 11,000 innocent civilians in under 50 days? Is a civilian to terrorist death ratio of 100:1 acceptable to you? I answered your questions, now, be honest and answer mine
War is ugly.
USA vs Japan
2 atomic bombs
Numbers are called stats.
Terrorist don’t deserve negotiations period.
Would you accept this if it happened in America?
9/11
3,500 deaths
18 years of war against terrorism killed how many people.
So you accept terrorism as a way to negotiate?
Yeah we dropped 2 atomic bombs on a defeated enemy. Shouldn’t have done that.
I never said terrorists deserve negotiations. I said Hamas should be killed, but the leadership lives in Qatar, not in Gaza. Have you ever had to deal with a rattlesnake? You chop its head off, if you sit around hacking at its tail you’re only going to get bit, and when you do, you deserve neither compassion nor sympathy because you went about trying to kill the snake in the stupidest way possible.
I see you still haven’t answered my questions. Is a civilian to terrorist death ratio of 100:1 acceptable to you? Seems like you will say anything except answer that question. I’ll continue answering your questions after you show me the basic courtesy of answering mine.
The correct answer is zero deaths period on either side is the only acceptable answer.
Unfortunately when cowards go after families and children to start a conflict all rules get tossed to the side
Why are you so bent on getting a yes or no answer to 100:1 ratio
Will that make you personally feel good?
Why is there a need to get other people to commit to A yes or no.
Why would you side with terrorist?
It’s good to see where people stand. I heard a lot of outrage over the amount of civilians being killed in the Russia-Ukraine War and rightly so. I also see people who were outraged about that trying to justify the murder of civilians in Gaza which is many times that of the Russia-Ukraine War. I don’t forget people’s comments, I don’t have a goldfish memory. This is a perfect opportunity to expose the hypocrites, which is my intent, because a hypocrites opinion is worthless, it goes where the wind blows.
It’s also a juxtaposition to show how a professional military wages war, the Clausewitz way, destroy the enemy’s military, versus an unprofessional military which can’t seem to separate civilians from enemy combatants or refuses to do so.
I’m seeing that the majority of people here don’t actually care about civilians or anything, what’s more important it seems, is that their team wins, and that my friend, is a truly sad state for humanity to be at. I hope people reflect on themselves, re-evaluate, and drop this, pray for peace, and if we can’t have that, at least remove our military assets from the area so we don’t get drug into a pointless war anymore than we already are.
Only one side can be right, but more than likely, both sides are wrong.
You seem very intelligent.
I strongly disagree with you on your need for any answers regarding civilian deaths.
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians
You accepted this correct?
It was perfectly fine for the US to go to war for 18 years because of allegedly 18 Saudi Terrorists using box cutters.
Yet 1,000 Israel family members died vs 10,000 so far
Whatever. War is ugly.
The machine that turns it on and off is in control.
Accept it or run for office and see how that goes.
No I didn’t. I always thought it was wrong that 19 saudis flew planes into our towers and we went to war with Iraq and Afghanistan. Didn’t make sense at the time, still doesn’t, and we lost that war.
But you don’t mind that the United States killed millions of civilians to hunt down terrorists.
Yet only 19 actually committed the terrorism.
So are you just on the bandwagon that the Israel’s are wrong for defend themselves but America was justified killing for the name of stopping terrorism.
It’s an ugly conflict and you will never see an argument for or against the war that makes sense
“Brown University’s Costs of War Project…released a new estimate of the total death toll from the U.S. wars in three countries: Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. The numbers, while conservatively estimated, are staggering. Brown’s researchers estimate that at least 480,000 people have been directly killed by violence over the course of these conflicts, more than 244,000 of them civilians. In addition to those killed by direct acts violence, the number of indirect deaths — those resulting from disease, displacement, and the loss of critical infrastructure — is believed to be several times higher, running into the millions.” https://theintercept.com/2018/11/19/civilian-casualties-us-war-on-terror/
How did you figure that? I said it didn’t make sense and still doesn’t. Why try to purposely misconstrue what I say when my actual statement is sitting right above yours for everyone to read?
You are posting numbers that have not been verified and by people that are known to lie. They claims several hundred killed in one strike that was recorded and it was an obvious lie. Want to make a differance? Quit running your mouth in a nice safe area and go over there and do something about it ie protest fight etc.
These are numbers from this article as well as from the IDF. What exactly are you disputing? I pulled the numbers from this article. Hey Kym, I guess the numbers you posted in this article are a complete lie, is it the article that needs correcting or this individual?
Just cause you don’t like it doesn’t make it true. My family has spilled enough of our own blood over in that part of the world for many generations unfortunately, its your turn.
I wouldn’t spill my blood for any of the low lives over there.
So what do you want to pat on the back because you did
No, I don’t. Killing is wrong. That statement was in direct response to crap saying “Quit running your mouth in a nice safe area and go over there and do something about it ie protest fight etc.” Blood of my family has already been spilled over there. That’s in the past, what I want is for the blood to stop being spilled. I can hear the blood of our brothers and sisters crying out to us from the earth. It must stop. Israel should send in its special forces and get the damn terrorist instead of hiding in their armor columns calling down air strikes on the innocent.
They need to go do what they signed up for, fight and die! That’s what the military is there for, you sign up to die so innocent people don’t have to, now the IDF needs to do it’s damn job!
Your expectations of what the IDF special forces can do, considering the area you want them to operate in, is unrealistic.
Just waltz through the citizens, enter under schools and hospitals, to access tunnels, that have traps doors and are filled with weapons and rockets, then kill the terrorists.
Please, tell us your plan to accomplish that, because it sounds like a suicide mission to me.
My plan would be to give Qatar an ultimatum to hand over the leadership of Hamas or else. Without dealing with the leadership nothing will be accomplished.
Turn on the water, electricity, and allow food in. Show compassion. Stop the indiscriminate bombing. Allow injured people to be treated in the floating hospitals people have sent over. Hamas will say that’s all a lie so use technology and put a webcam in the hospitals to show civilians are being evacuated and treated. Do the job that the military signed up for and go in to hand to hand combat, clearing schools and hospitals. It will result in high casualties for the IDF. Enter the tunnels and clear them, evacuate civilians and treat as much as possible along the way.
Civilian deaths will drop significantly, optics will then be in favor of the IDF, which they aren’t right now. Iran, Turkey, all the naysayers around the world won’t have a good reason to be upset anymore.
I don’t know if you have realized this, but it is a suicide mission. Even if the IDF committed a complete genocide of the Palestinian civilian population, Hamas would still be alive because they can wait out all those air strikes in the tunnels, and the IDF will have to go under the schools and hospitals and enter those tunnels with all the trapdoors and weapons in them anyway. That is inevitable. Plus the environment will become that much more challenging and favor Hamas more with all those buildings reduced to rubble.
The IDF is just postponing the inevitable: entering the tunnels and hand to hand combat. They are just killing a lot of civilians and turning the world against them before they even do what needs to be done.
Qatar funds all sides …..
Nov 13, 2020
Officials at the U.S. Department of Education last month released findings in their investigation into Georgetown University, Texas A&M, Cornell, Yale, Harvard, Rutgers and other universities over billions of dollars in unreported funding from the oil-rich Gulf kingdom of Qatar. Much of the known Qatari funding has gone to Texas A&M, Georgetown, Cornell, Carnegie Mellon, Northwestern and Virginia Commonwealth, all of which maintain campuses subsidized by the royal family-linked Qatar Foundation.
Between 1986 and 2018, Middle Eastern countries donated more than $6.6 billion to U.S. universities, but reported less than $3.6 billion to the federal government as required by law. Of the roughly $5 billion donated by Qatar to various institutions, less than $2 billion was reported properly, according to federal records and seven years of research by experts and investigative accountants at the Institute for the Study of Global Antisemitism and Policy (ISGAP).
According to these findings, some of which were presented at a summit on contemporary anti-Semitism hosted by the Department of Justice in July 2019—which in part spurred the Department of Education investigation—inadequate federal oversight procedures failed to keep track of funding coming into the United States from abroad, and universities failed to report more than $3 billion given by Qatar and the Gulf States.
The bulk of Middle Eastern donations coming into the United States emanates from Qatari donors (75 percent), while the Qatar Foundation accounts for virtually all of the donations from Qatar. These funds have a significant impact on universities, especially with regard to attitudes toward Israel. ISGAP’s research identified a direct correlation between the funding of universities by Qatar and the Gulf States and the active presence at those universities of groups such as Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), which foster an aggressive anti-Semitic atmosphere on campus. In addition, the ISGAP project assessment found a correlation between funding and the ideological bent of scholarship, including anti-Israel and anti-Zionist sentiment, at departments and institutes at some of America’s leading universities, publishing houses and academic professional associations. There is also a disturbing connection between this funding and the silencing of institutes and publications by scholars that are critical of the prevailing ideology.
https://www.newsweek.com/unreported-foreign-donations-universities-foment-anti-semitism-opinion-1546139
See also ……
Clinton’s charity confirms Qatar’s $1 million gift while she was at State Dept
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-foundation-idUSKBN12Z2SL
You do realize the IDF has to go hand to hand a lot of them are going to die, they might even lose, actually at this point they already have. Hamas has accomplished all of its goals and Israel has accomplished nothing. The final goal is to get Israel into their tunnels. That’s what those tunnels were built for. It won’t be pretty. So the IDF can either roll those tanks back to Israel, which is looking more and more likely, and expose their military as a paper tiger, after turning most of the world against them. Or they can grow a pair, enter the tunnels, and engage in hand-to-hand combat in the most difficult urban environment on earth which heavily favors Hamas, and risk a potential out-right military defeat. Those are the two choices.
From a military point of view, Hamas has put Israel in an extremely difficult position and has already achieved multiple tactical victories over the IDF. It would’ve been easier to go after the leadership in Qatar. Militarily the IDF would’ve had an easier time waging an outright war with Qatar for the heads of the leadership of Hamas than the current situation the IDF has put itself in.
“Never do what your enemy wants you to do.”— Sun Tzu
So tell me your plan? Murder every civilian and flatten every building with air strikes? And then what?
I don’t have a plan, and I don’t see a way this stops, as many groups are invested in a world war.
And places like Qatar are playing both sides.
I hope I’m wrong.
And I’m not sure when you say, tell Qatar “or else”, what exactly or else is.
A declaration of war against people who are harboring the terrorist leaders of Hamas. It would be a war against another military, not in an urban environment such as that, without the tunnels. Much more favorable conditions for the IDF to accomplish its military objectives. The IDF can kill every Hamas terrorist in Gaza but if they don’t get the leadership, Hamas has not been defeated. Plus they are already risking a multifront war with the entirety of the Arab world right now anyway.
I think you’re an intelligent person and I understand your point, yet the US would be in a no win situation defending Israel in an attack on Qatar, and almost all Arab countries would join against Israel if they attacked Qatar.
Iraq and the Yemen have already joined in with support from Iran..
As I see it, an attack on Qatar still leads to a world war, with endless civilian casualties.
Qatar gets all of its military equipment from the US. Same with Saudi Arabia and Egypt. The US would just have to threaten to withhold military and financial aid to those countries and at the most it would stay a regional war. The US has a lot more sway over those counties than it does over Iran, Iraq, and Yemen. I don’t know if Qatar would be willing to slug it out with the IDF over the Hamas leadership, but I doubt they would. If Qatar said no, I don’t think many countries would jump to their defense considering Qatar at that point would be refusing to hand over the leadership of a terrorist organization who had just carried out a massive attack on Israeli civilians on Israeli soil.
Considering the Houthis and Iran have historically been enemies with Qatar, I don’t think they would pile on either. That ship has sailed though. Israel could still try to reel things in and go for the Hamas leadership, but sadly the Sunni and Shia have already been united over this, that’s the biggest victory for Hamas right now and the biggest blunder of the IDF.
Thank you, I don’t know about intelligence but I do have critical thinking skills, which can serve one better than intelligence in a lot of situations.
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The casualty numbers you are using are from Hamas’ propaganda arm, and they don’t distinguish between civilians and fighters.
The numbers I used are from this article. I didn’t realize Kym was on the Hamas payroll.
We too have nothing but disgust with these time wasting people. We teach the children in our schools how evil Hamas and other terrorist creeps are, and what a waste of time these awful protesters are. And remember, every member of the KKK is a democrat. With assholes like these idiots, it will be interesting
The KKK sought “justice” against a race by random murder too. They too want yheir own “pure” homeland. In fact there is hardly a better simile to Hamas than the KKK.
The KKK was the terror wing of the Democrat party. About 1/3 of the people they killed were white. Their objective was power and control for Democrats, racism was simply a means to an end. Just like it is today…
Thanks for bringing facts to the conversation.
>”They too want yheir own “pure” homeland. In fact there is hardly a better simile to Hamas than the KKK”
Yup. You justified the comparison of Hamas to Israel (Zionists).
Maybe there is a small justice in the obvious self interest. But you know the big difference? It’s exampled by the Israeli willingness to take on its own government when that government sought to enshrine illegal taking of land from Palestinians. The Israeli government had that law overturned by their Supreme Court. The government decided to limit the ability of the court to limit them by changing how the judges were placed. Many, many Israelis spent months protesting both that and the government’s stated intent to rewrite law to make that happen anyway. Of course the Hamas attack stopped that in its tracks. Now it is likely that there will be no further protests because Hamas has succeeded in their goal of creating enough fear in Jews worldwide.
If you really care a fig for justice, you’ll do some looking at the difference between Israeli values and Palestinian values as reflect by the freedom of their governed to object. But it is likely that, if you can actually announce the equivalent of “the devil made me do it” with a straight face, , you will not.
Which schools would those be so I know to avoid my child going there? Remember David duke the leader of the KKK endorsed Donald trump, not a democrat. [edit]
All public schools in California teach systemic racism and identify politics.
Cet animal est tres mechant, quand on l’attaque, il se defend
How is it that people overlook the fact Hamas is a terrorist group. Bent on exterminating all Jews and america. And they attacked Israel in a barbaric manner and are now hiding behind innocent women and childern. How disgustingly cowardice of them. If I were supplying arms to them it wd be bunker buster bombs to pulverize every inch of tunnels. Then ask hezbolla if they want to be next You cannot negotiate with terror groups. Rip off the band aid and be done with them. And yes there wd be collateral damage. Just like after 9 11. When we went after terrorists. But that was all fine and dandy becus we were mad !
Well…I went to the Farmers Market yesterday and ran into a couple of old friends who were in that protest. I asked them what’s up? Both of them told me they are not anti-Jewish (one even has a Jewish father) but they are asking for a cease-fire simply to stop people from actively killing each other. They may not be politically or historically astute. They just want people to STOP from killing each other. I may have doubts about the politics behind letting up on Hamas but I find it very hard to argue against NOT killing civilians from either side of the fence….so I don’t think everybody at the protest has a pro-Hamas agenda or needs to be deported. If anything we need more people who want mass killings to stop…But yeah- F#*k Hamas! Yet also F#*k Israeli right-wing settlers.
There was a cease fire in effect until October 7 when Hamas broke it. They started this war and the IDF will finish it.
3000 years.
Never watched the movie “Exodus” when I was a kid, and couldn’t sit through it, on Tubi, yesterday…
I never studied the history of Judaism either, but it is fascinating…
It’s always “they started it”, during my lifetime, going back to 1967…
It amazes me that these countries have not utterly destroyed each other…
What is happening now amounts to the attempted eradication of a people, and we call killing women and children and hospitals an outrageous act of Genocide.
Israel needs to stop, before the nuclear exchange starts…
Please don’t start WWIII.
Do either county have nuclear technology?
Don’t be ignorant.
The USA has supplied war materials and technology to Israel for 60 years…
Do they have nukes?
Better believe it, and the Arabs can buy anything at all…
Those are both assumptions. This isn’t a 007 movie with a nuclear arsenal up for bids, maybe less movies for you
Israel does according to this.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-nuclear-weapons
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Nuclearweaponswhohaswhat
Israel is estimated to possess 90 nuclear devices.
What Islamic Countries have, is anyone’s guess…
Israel has nuclear weapons. It’s called the Jericho missile.
Israel’s neclear program is one of the worst kept secrets in the world.
Cause I don’t think it’s meant to truly be a secret. How do you have nuclear deterrence if you don’t tell anyone you have them? They just don’t want to sign any IAEA inspectors coming around or want to sign any nuclear non-proliferation agreements.
So Palestinians trying to drive out Israel (or as Hamas puts it – kill all Jews- is not genocide in your book but Israelis killing people shot rockets at them as a preface to sending in soldiers who kidnapped and murdered their citizens is?
If people plan on using nuclear weapons over Gaza, then it is not Israel that is conducting that proxy war. How far are you willing to crouch down out fear of something that has existed since 1945 over which you have zero control? Russia, the US, Iran, Pakistan,India, China, France, the UK and Israel are verified as having nuclear weapons. Iran may or may not. You’re going to have a hard time finding a safe enough subservience to make all of those conflicting countries happy. This is not a safe world.
You forgot kora also has nuke
Israel could wipe them off the face of the earth but they don’t why is that because they don’t want to I guess
It’s already upon us
https://www.youtube.com/live/TLI6ShkYsYs?si=3CGWBqNJI1a-TKRM
This is a link to something very good. One of the men in this is boots on the ground in Israel and he has family fighting in the IDF.
I know it’s biblical but put that aside and listen to it. It’s an hour long but so worth the time.
#standuptojewishhate #?
They have no clue. Do these “protesters” know the name Haj Amin al-Husseini? Do any of these “protesters” know where he was on Nov 28, 1941? Allow me to help with a hint: the meeting was held in Berlin, and by the way, Haj Amin al Husseini was the Grand Mufti and supreme leader of Palestine. The purpose of the meeting you ask (as if you would or could) was concerning the formation of the 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar. The brutality of this Division is well documented and their atrocities in Serbia a long and tragic list. My point, Palestinians despised Jewish people long before Isreal became a State and claims of an occupation are absurd to anyone with a thimble full of historical perspective. Bring on the thumbs down, but refute a single thing I’ve stated with a fact.
Well I see the thumbs down but without a hint of fact. You know, an essential component of a rebuttal is a point.
Again with the crosswalks and cars pick a puzzle.
Yup… and the Stern Gang (Zionist) offered to fight for the Nazis… (in opposition to the British control of Palestine).
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In January 1941, Stern attempted to establish an agreement with the German Nazi authorities, offering to “actively take part in the war on Germany’s side” in return for German support for Jewish immigration to Palestine and establishing a Jewish state.
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Go figure… eh ?
Stern was a minor player in the Zionist movement and the opposition to his views by another Zionist, Ze’ev Jabotinsky, relegated the Stern gang to the dustbin of history. A poor comparison to a Palestinian division under direct command of the German SS, the most brutal arm of their military. Nice try.
“Nice try.”
Eh ? Guess you don’t know history ?
All of the early mid-east Zionist players in the Palestinian conflict were ‘minor’. Lehi (Stern): Claimed 300 members. Irgun : Several Hundred early on, thousands after WWII.
Shamir (After Stern died.. he became leader of the Stern Gang).
Assassinated the UN peace negotiator.
Became prime minister.
Had dinner in the White House.
These are the same Zionists that were experiencing holocaust.
20 years -before- world war II right?
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5si5qy
Walking around arcata isn’t going to change anything. These people have too much time on their hands. They need to go to Gaza and protest if they are really that dedicated
Or maybe to Qatar since that is were the Hamas leadership is directing their operations from, under the protection of the Qatar leaders.
The aggessive protest pratices of pro Palestinian supporters show they are willing to challenge governments in other countries, so why can’t they stand up to their own Hamas government and the cowardness of using their own people as shields?
Take the protests and violence to Hamas and Qatar, that will end this war faster than attacking and disrupting the lives of citizens in other countries trying to support their families. Peaceful protests are no longer peaceful because aggressive protest groups resort to forcing their beliefs and messages on communities and citizens by disrupting businesses, preventing freedom of movement by blocking roadways, and destruction of property. That causes the message to be lost in resentment and fustration, as they are forced to forfeit their safety and ability to conduct needs to support their family survival.
Education of their ideas and beliefs should not involve violence, destruction, or obstructing the freedom of movement by non participating public.
I was there at the Farmers Market yesterday. The protestors did not disrupt anybody or block anything. They protested respectfully as is their American right. I don’t agree with their stance. But I respect their right to protest peacefully and respectfully. It opens up debate and dialogue between us and that is a good thing for a democracy. Again- I may not agree with your viewpoint but I will defend your right to express it…as an old redneck neighbor of mine used to say to my young hippie self LOL. We are Americans and we should disagree, respectfully
Well lets see israel fight a standing army instead of a couple thousand rebels while killing more children than anything else . One of the most fucked up things you can do is kill a child . But whats worse than killing a child ? Laughing about it and the idf does do that . Hell i remember back while i was in the service idf troops wearing tshirts showing a pregnant muslim woman with cross hairs on her belly with the caption 2 kills one shot . The Israelites are not apeaceful or peace loving country they have been about revenge and control and that government will always be that way . The jewish people i can say mostly are a good people but their leaders fucking suck
I see you are not a student of History. They have in 1956, 1967 and 1973. They were outnumbered and outgunned yet they managed to kick the crap out of not one not two but three or more armies. 1967 they gained Jerusalem and Golan Heights. They gained more territory in 1973 when they were attacked on Oct 7th exactly 50 years before the massacre that happened. Try reading some history books its amazing the information you will learn.
Come on people, Give war a chance!
War is the worst part of human behavior, as is religion…
War is not the worse human behavior. I can think of some like slavery, pedophilia, greed, genocide , demagoguery, misogyny, theft, racism, resentment, etc, etc that need to be in action before any war breaks out. In fact are always in action even without war.
There’s Gigi leading the march, ready to force her beliefs on the masses or cry victim if they dont submit.
Thanks to all who oppose war ?❤❤❤
While I am sure these protestors mean well, they have this mistaken belief that there is a moral equivalency between the actions of Israel and the actions of Hamas. There is not. Read the words of the NYT reporter who watched 40 plus minutes of the carnage that took place on October 7th that started this and maybe you will realize the pain and fear you are causing the Jewish people by supporting those who committed these unspeakable horrors.
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“Bloodied corpses lying in a bedroom, a bathroom, on the roads by their cars. An emergency medical worker pouring mineral water from a bottle to douse the smoldering remains of charred bodies. A dead baby whose body bore signs of violence.
Two soldiers without heads. Brutalized young women, one of them naked. Captives in Gaza surrounded by jeering gunmen.
Those images were part of nearly 44 minutes of raw footage that the Israeli military said was culled from hundreds of hours of material Israel had collected about the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas assailants from Hamas body cameras, dashcams, traffic cameras, closed-circuit TV and the mobile phones and social media accounts of victims, soldiers and emergency medical workers.
The military showed the compilation to foreign reporters on a day when Israel continued to bombard Gaza with heavy airstrikes overnight and as the death toll in Gaza surpassed 5,000 people, according to the Hamas-run health ministry, since Israel began retaliating for the attacks.
Reporters were told by the Israeli military not to record the footage. Certain sections, including video of a raid on a military base, have been previously verified by The New York Times. Some of the footage has already been shared on social media.
“We want to understand ourselves why we are in a war and what we are fighting for,” Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, the chief military spokesman, said of the footage, which was shown in an auditorium at an army base north of Tel Aviv.
“What happened to Israel was not just a war crime,” he said, but “a crime against humanity.”
The footage opens with Hamas gunmen shooting at civilian cars and at people running across open fields as they flee the site of an open-air music festival. They whoop in triumph over their victims.
Footage from closed-circuit cameras captured one man scooping up two young boys, both wearing only underpants, as early morning sirens wailed, warning of incoming rocket fire. They ran out to a nearby bomb shelter. Assailants, lying in ambush, threw a grenade into the shelter, killing the man. The boys ran back to their house, where, distraught, one of them said he could not see anything. As a gunman rummaged in the refrigerator, the other boy cried, “Why am I alive?”
In another village, an assailant is heard calling his parents in Gaza from the phone of an Israeli woman. “I killed 10 Jews with my bare hands!” he shouted, according to an audio recording, adding, “Mom, your son is a hero!”
In other clips, victims are seen gagged and with their hands bound behind their backs. Faces are frozen in shock and agony. Women’s bones are broken, their legs twisted in impossible angles.
Many traumatized Israelis are only beginning to internalize the enormity of the disaster of Oct. 7. There has been little time for national mourning even as the country fears for and dreads the fighting to come.
Admiral Hagari said it was necessary to begin gathering the evidence to create a collective memory for future generations of what happened that day, which was the deadliest day for the Jewish people since the Holocaust.
“We will not let the world forget,” he said. “It will define who we are.”
No, they don’t mean we’ll. They mean to impose their ideas on everyone based on personal angst. That never “means well” for anyone but themselves.
They’re not marching to support Hamas.’
They’re marching to support Palestine.
A free and stable Palestine is the best way to desroy Hamas.
Are there any “Down with Hamas” or “Free the Palestinians from Hamas” signs? If so, please post. I’d be very happy to see them.
When have any of these people denounced Hamas?
“These people” are actually a bunch in individuals. You’d have to ask each of them.
I support the Palestinians’ right to a soverign and stable state, and I denounce Hamas.
Dude, you literally just stated “They’re not marching to support Hamas” then hopped on your high horse when i asked if you were sure they’re not supporting Hamas
Who runs Palestine? Did they get voted in by the people after displacing Abbas? Or were the elections rigged like in 2020? Or in 2016 like Hillary keeps mouthing off about? Should she be in jail for being an Election denier and subverting democracy by instituting the Russian hoax? Yes for the hoax, no for freedom of being a sore loser and mouthing off about it. Should the Palestinian who said the election was rigged for Hamas have a say? Hell yeah. But. Oh, that’s right, he or she is no longer of this Earth for merely uttering those thoughts. courtesy of Hamas I am sure there are many who are thinking that, especially intellectuals, but keep quiet. See how close one party in our country is making us like Palestine, if you even can. Or don’t and keep hoping people who hate the Jews will ever think otherwise. They can’t even after the Holocaust. That’s very disturbing for sane individuals with critical thinking skills.
Ummm… what?
Palestinian deaths 115,000 Israeli Figure (added 15,000 to it in the last few weeks).
Then, Arab figure 500,000 deaths.
Figure about 1/2 way between. Say 250,000 Palestinian dead.
However, Israeli death figures seem to be pretty well hidden… nobody talks about them.
Maybe 2500, 5,000-10,000 ? Dunno.
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>“We will not let the world forget,” he said. “It will define who we are.”
Most of the world… really knows who they are.
Oh i see the hollywood sign a shining lol they showed reporters footage they collected …… and edited ……. and acted in …… and paid others to act in …….. all so they could get people to beleive they had no other option the to go head long i to a battle where they slay more children than anything else . Let me tell you if they had a leg to stand on they would not have to fight but instead of pleading to the courts the very ones that set them up they have taken matters into their own hands and lets be honest here . Bibi is always looking for a chance to kill arabs he is sick like any commonn serial killer only so much time can go by before he needs that murder fix
There are multiple statements from witnesses about the killings by Hamas soldiers. There are multiple people missing their family members. One can dislike the destruction of civilians by Israel without ignoring what crimes were committed against them.
Best thing to do is figure out who’s killing whom.
Exactly, maintaining a nuance perspectives is crucial when we know we dont have all the context
Hamas is at least 50% Mossad. How was Hamas founded?
If you were going to pick a fight with Israel, would you try to take out their defenses first? Or would you make a spectacular drama killing and raping innocent partiers to piss off the whole world before you even get started (suicide?)
Nobody does that. Don’t fall for it.
Hundreds of thousands have protested in both DC and London.
75 in Arcata yesterday.
But the war is still going on? Maybe the next one at the courthouse will do it.
Protesting in Arcata is not going to change anything. Protesting has become a passtime if not religion for many to the point it has a lost its meaning. It is just an excuse to bitch and whine.
It does zero good to protest in the US UK etc. If you really want to make a differance grow a backbone and go to Gaza the West Bank etc and protest the violence right there where it happens. To put it frankly the protesters here are basically cowards that are professional victims that hide under the umbrella of the 1st amendment and are a slap in the face to the people in the past like Martin Luther King that faced real pushback from the KKK and paid for his stance for equality with his life.
I know this is not a popular stance but it is the no shit truth.
It can certainly harden attitudes that will make conflict in the middle east worse. And there is room for it to be worse. Likely any Jew in the US or elsewhere has noticed the rampant antisemitism in their own countries, made louder by Palestinian and Arab immigants, that have had history loaded with a past that included genocide, exclusion, pomgroms, kicking Jews out and taking the property left behind, etc. It’s hard to find places that don’t. UThey very well may feel that Israel is , despite being pretty much at constant war, a safer place than where they are now. So fighting for Israel without qualification will become imperative. It will increase Zionism. And guess what that will do? Already Jews have left other places to fight for Israel. Arabs and Palestinians too. And using money from other countries to fund more violence. Certainly a negative pressure for a downward spiral.
Listen to the anti Biden rhetoric of these young people, I am not a fan but this is why Trump will win in 2024. Most will vote the same but the transition voters are heavily in Trumps favor
Yes the only president who hasn’t started a war in 75 years. Or a president who has dragged us into two wars and will probably start WW3? Yes give me trump! If you voted for Biden all this blood is on your hands too!
The way journalism creates divides- they offer soapboxes to those without the capability of making their own. Deliberately out of arrogance and self importance. Then say if some pro Israel pops up , they will cover that too. As if butter wouldn’t melt in their mouth, they pretend that is “balance.” It forces the public into taking sides by disingenuous saying here are the sides when there is unlikely to be actual sides for most people. Most likely find neither Israel or Palestine without fault. Journalism that exploits, distorts, or exaggerates the news to create sensations is the very definition of yellow journalism per The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition
Just so everyone is clear- this was always the goal- Israel created Hamas in order to provide a reason for invading innocent civilians. Next will be Lebanon. Then Syria , Iraq, and Egypt. What does this have to do with self defense. The “baby in oven” allegations were thrown out weeks ago due to NO EVIDENCE, along with the rape allegations. Hamas was gentle with their Israeli hostages, why would they rape and burn babies in an oven? If they are true savages, why have they treated their hostages with respect and care? Make it make sense
Yes, Hamas was so respectful and gentle when they murdered 260 concert goers.
When complex geopolitical issues become “clear” and obvious to the observer, is usually a sign that they’ve been successful propagandized
If you bothered with reading, you would have noticed Israel already occupied most of that land in 1967. They gave it up except for the West Bank and the Gaza strip. Any fool can paint colors on a map and get another to believe represents reality.
Such insanity in these comments yet do any of the pro Palestinian protesters address that?
Hamas was not gentle with their hostages. Oh my God.
thank you weott fam…the comments on RHBB are cringe cringe cringe…
fuck israel and anyone who supports apartheid/settler colonists worldwide
Fuck a lot of things. Like protesters who play politics with other people’s lives.
Antisemitic much?
Inaccurate statement.
What is a Semite?
It is not anti-semitic to be against Israel.
This is a Zionist war. You identify with Zionists.
were you onne of the protesters there today?
Bring back the Ottoman Empire.
Ya know, not such a bad idea. Things would probably be a lot more stable over there.
Same with never having invaded Iraq during George Jrs reign. I used to agree with that guy until the implications of that decision became evident. Now, I realize he was just another of the long line of others who made horrible decisions for the world. Don’t use our people to fight wars which can never be won and don’t try to make other countries democratic republics who don’t understand individual freedom. Tribal societies will never agree to giving up the idea of Natural Selection, ever. Sad, but true. Those with the most toys, er, weapons, strength, and power, win. That’s up to the William Wallace cutouts in those countries who can change their citizens views and the course of history. That is why our country is unique in the world, or used to be before 50% of the citizenry was deemed deplorable, domestic terrorists. What did our current rulers think the reaction would be? They know very well because they are devious creeps. The only reaction from the deplorables will be….you know, total disobedience, civil unrest, and ultimately war. Dam those to hell who are currently in power who wish to grab the Ring to rule us all. They never will, ever., or at least for a few more decades. They can eat crap and McLove it!
Erdogan was talking about conducting the war crimes trials!
Congressional loyalty is to the agency incapable of passing an audit, not the people
Of course most people want a cease fire. They want Hamas to release the hostages, the Israelis and Palestinians to get along and a myriad of other things. It is safe to say such things when there is no power to make them happen. But when there is power, broad rosy ideals come face to face with the difficult details and consequences of using power to do it. It tempers rhetoric to know that it may be worse to use such power or even hint at it. It’s not democracy that controls what politicians say but awareness of democracy’s tendencies of self interest.
Screenbshots suck. Poll are frequently questiinable and polls conducted for an agenda should be dismissed.
By your own definition, Hamas was committing Genocide when they attacked civilians on Oct 7. Hamas developed fighting against Palestinians under Arafat, then turned into what they are now with their boot on the throat of the Palestinian people! The people protesting will be back next year with a different cause, like save the woodrats.
Anyone that supports Hamas is a schmuck.
anyone who supports murdering innocent women and children is a monster
Those who target innocent women and children in a plan for political games of chicken are a thousand times worse than those who refuse to risk their own lives to save them from themselves.
Which is what Hamas did and is who you are standing up for… “don’t turn into the monsters you seek to destroy”
By any chance are you pro abortion?
That would be Hamas
Especially when they use white phosphorus.
That would mean a lot of Mossad are schmucks!
The chutzpah!
Ask any of these protestors who founded the kkk. They have no idea. Ask any of these protesters who sided (Grand Mufti) with the Nazis in WW2. They have no idea. Ask any of these protestors who the number one enemy of the kkk, Aryan Nations and Hamas is? Hint, they are not white people but they may look very white. They cannot accept reality. Oblivious to reality but not naive as they are adults, not children. Keep marching. Better yet, please go to Gaza and help the cause of eradicating Gods chosen people. And the kkk, Aryan nations and Hamas will all give you a high five. Strange bedfellows indeed until u think about it and it makes perfect sense. Take mental notes and vote accordingly in 2024. Your life as a free thinking American individual may depend on it, less you become just another cog on the borg wheel from hell.
“Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord”
Hell no sayeth the Israelis.
We will take care of this.
Until the hostages are released and there is no longer an imminent threat from Gaza, it is not vengeance. It is self defense.
Bless the peaceful protesters! These people show up not for their own selfish reasons but for higher aspirations, like those represented in the international rules of war crimes.
They would be carrying posters saying “free the hostages” or “end all violence” if that were true. What they have is an agenda served by turning Palestinians into innocent victims of racial or ethnic violence in order to validate their need to take power from the people they see here as oppressing the not-really-so-oppressed people here. It’s the old “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” idea.
Unfortunately the friend they have chosen use to do that is pretty ugly themselves. Kidnapping and murdering totally innocent people in the pursuit of getting rid of those they hate. These peaceful protesters have to ignore that to do what they do. Unfortunately for that, like MLK said, those who passively accept evil are as involved innit as those who perpetuate it.
The protesters, in my view are expressing the most urgent messages. They/ we are calling on our own government and media to recognize and deplore the disproportionate killing by Israel. The hostages are bargaining chips. Should they be? No. But the Israelis have long established that, while their Uncle Sam has their back, they will do and get away with whatever they want to do. So Hamas, the criminal war crimes perpetrators that they are, will fight dirty, like Israel has done for decades.
“Fight dirty, like Israel has done for decades.” You are saying they are the same, really? I don’t remember Israelis ever putting babies in ovens to roast alive while their mothers were being raped and their fathers butchered. I don’t recall reports of Israeli troops raping girls to death, or butchering children and old women as they sat at their Sabbath table, or cutting the unborn from their living mother’s bellies. Nope, can’t say I’ve ever heard of this, please tell me if I missed something. Israel is attacking Hamas, and Hamas is using their own non-combatant people as human shields. What happened on October 7th was a crime against humanity. Where are the protests against this atrocity? Instead people are pulling down posters of the hostages. What a fucked up world.
You realize the baby in the oven and beheaded baby stuff was never proven. It was asserted by one IDF soldier and never corroborated by anyone else.
That sounds very familiar, like the allegation of the Iraqis doing something very similar that shocked the world in the pre-(second)-invasion lead up. Then, much later we learned it was ALL A LIE and that, if I recall correctly, the woman making the allegations was the daughter of some western-aligned diplomat. Same tactics. New way to manipulate public opinion.
I can’t speak to your accusations. ‘Iliketables’ has a response that makes sense to me though. (And I doubt it applies to only the allegation he addresses). Decades of repression, a clear overuse of power, murdering (often young) men ‘protesters’, stealing Palestinian lands, killing their journalists, and so much more, is bound to cause a harsh blowback. That does not excuse any war crimes, it just puts them in context.
When the enemy uses hospitals as its headquarters and local population as human shields, what do you expect will happen ? This is a war started by Hamas whose main goal is to destroy Israel. Kill a Jew and go to heaven is their mantra.
Ceasefire will happen when over two hundred hostages are released or Hamas is destroyed. Protest all you want if it makes you feel good.
Gaza is a concentration camp. No different than the Warsaw ghetto.
Where do you suggest they hide? Do you know what happens if you let your children too close to that border? Have you looked at that border? It’s the most fortified border in the world.
This used to be their country. Before it became a banking cartel family’s pet project.
No ceasefire until Hamas is history
Netanyahu suggests potential for a hostage agreement; Shifa Hospital turns down Israel’s fuel proposal
12.11.2023
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu suggests the possibility of a potential deal to release some of the 239 hostages held by Hamas and other terror groups in Gaza, reports The Times of Israel.
He emphasizes the sensitivity of ongoing negotiations and refrains from divulging further details, believing that discretion could enhance the likelihood of the deal materializing.
Additionally, Netanyahu informs “Meet the Press” that Israel has offered fuel to Gaza City’s Shifa Hospital, urgently needed, but the offer has been rejected. The prime minister reiterates his position that applying military pressure on Hamas increases the chances of securing hostage releases, a stance at odds with the call for humanitarian pauses by some American allies.
“We heard that there was an impending deal of this kind or of that kind and then we learned that it was all hokum. But the minute we started the ground operation, that began to change,” Netanyahu said.
Israel has established daily humanitarian corridors for over a week, facilitating the evacuation of Palestinians over several kilometers, spanning from north to south Gaza. Today, the IDF’s Arabic-language spokesperson declared a multi-hour humanitarian pause in the fighting specifically in Gaza City’s Jabaliya neighborhood.
“Military pressure,is the one thing that might create a deal, and if a deal is available, well, we will talk about it when it’s there. We’ll announce it if it’s achievable,” Netanyahu continues.
Regarding the knowledge of the hostages’ current location, Prime Minister Netanyahu states, “We know a great deal, but I won’t go beyond that.”
https://www.voiceofeurope.eu/netanyahu-suggests-potential-for-a-hostage-agreement-shifa-hospital-turns-down-israels-fuel-proposal/
Israel last week made history when its Arrow air defense system intercepted a missile aimed at Israel – in space. While this first Arab-Israeli battle in space caught the imagination of many news outlets, the identity of the force responsible for launching the missile was equally notable.
The Yemeni Houthis, known also as the Ansar Allah movement since 2012, immediately claimed responsibility for the launch. This was the fourth attack by the organization on Israel since October 7.
For many Israelis, the involvement of this distant organization in the current war effort against Israel is one of the most mysterious, even outlandish, aspects of the current moment. No one is entirely surprised by the desire of Lebanese Hezbollah to try to tie down Israeli forces in the North as part of an effort to relieve the pressure on its Gaza ally.
But the Houthis? What can they possibly be looking for? And no less interestingly, how did a Yemeni insurgent movement acquire the capacity to launch a stream of drones and missiles, including long-range ballistic missiles, at Israel?
What Do the Houthis Want?Answering this question requires understanding a little more about the Ansar Allah/Houthis movement itself, and also regarding its relations with its patron, the Islamic Republic of Iran.
The Houthis are a north Yemen Arab tribe, originating in Saada province in northwest Yemen. Along with around 35% of the Yemeni population, they are adherents to a stream of Shi’ite Islam known as Zaidiya, which differs significantly from the more familiar Twelver stream followed by Iranian and most Arab Shi’ite Muslims.
The political movement bearing their name was established by tribal leader Hussein Badr al-Din al-Houthi in the 1990s. Then in 2004, it turned to insurgent activities against the regime of president Ali Abdullah Saleh.
Saleh, also a Zaidi Shi’ite Muslim, was a military officer who seized power in 1978 and presided over the reunification of Yemen in 1990. His regime was backed by the US and Saudi Arabia. The Houthis, meanwhile, were from the outset supported by Iran. In 2004, Hussein al-Houthi was killed by Saleh’s forces. The leadership of the movement and its insurgency then passed to Abd al-Malik al-Houthi, Hussein’s brother, who continues to lead it today.
THIS BACKGROUND is important because it is noteworthy that Ansar Allah resembles Hamas and differs from the Lebanese or Iraqi Hezbollah movements in that it is a client of Tehran but not entirely a proxy of it. Hezbollah in Lebanon, Kataib Hezbollah in Iraq, and the other militias that resemble them, such as Badr in Iraq, are direct franchises of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC).
much more here
https://www.meforum.org/65197/why-are-the-houthis-attacking-israel
The two women who did most of the talking in the video stated they were in touch with protestors across the nation. So, I wonder if they were aware of this. ……
Pro-Palestinian demonstrators attempted to force their way into New York’s Grand Central Terminal on Friday night, smashing several windows and scuffling with police, as part of a protest that also saw American flags torn down and an Israeli flag burned.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/videos-show-ny-chaos-as-anti-israel-protester-tears-down-us-flags/ar-AA1jKUdf
Really, on Veterans Day, how un American.
So, I assume you strongly condemned the January 6th incursion into the Capitol too, right?
Nice diversion attempt, I’m not biting.
Muslim SHOCKS New York with TRUTH!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-7o38fwRLI
So, I assume you don’t believe that Israel was involved with 9/11.
The ignorance on display in these comment scare the shit out of me…so willing to imbibe the propaganda with no thought to actual happenings on the ground.
Palestine will be free, from the river to the sea.
Everyone can see what Israel (and the US) is about…and the ROW is NOT BUYING IT
Your certainty is the ultimate ignorance here.
What’s scary is people throwing around the genocidal slogan “from the river to the sea”. Hope it’s from a place of ignorance.
March, gripe, complain, holler all you want. None of it’s gonna make a lick of difference.
Somebody please get a current world map and find Palestine for me…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnkOi7q4uI0
Well I am just glad we got the whole issue settled here at RHBB…
It’s the holidays. Peace on Earth and goodwill to all men and women everywhere. We can wish. Maybe everyone can take a cue from Reggae on the Rivers from a lonnnggg time ago. It was amazing seeing all the hippies and farmer loggers partying in harmony with no worries in the world while David Lindsey and El Rayo Ex, Judy Mowatt, and Burning Spear blew everyone away. Those were the days. Hopefully, we all can do that again.
Hello everyone, as a Jewish woman whose grandparents fled the Holocaust, I feel a deep connection to the tragedies of our history. You can be Jewish and stand with Palestinians. It’s heartwrenching to witness similarities between the occupation, apartheid, and genocide in Gaza and the Holocaust of the past. The occupation by Israel has escalated into the genocide of over ten thousand innocent people, reminiscent of war crimes we haven’t seen since the Nazi regime. I encourage you to step away from Western media narratives and explore this issue independently. Educate yourselves by reading books like “They Call Me a Lioness” by Ahed Tamami & Dena Takruri, and consider alternative perspectives. Visit GenocideWatch.com for valuable insights. Additionally, documentaries like “Gaza” on Netflix and “Life in Occupied Palestine” by Anne Baltzer on YouTube each offer powerful firsthand accounts. Let’s strive for a world where we learn from history and work towards lasting peace.
Not all Jews are Zionists. And even as a Zionist, Albert Einstein was totally against apartheid.
It would be possible to find Israeli government very wrong in its actions except that those the wronged are so much worse. Yes, Gaza is a prison because there is no living with Hamas. And that was chosen by the people if Gaza. A prison is ugly but mostly it’s ugly because it’s inmates choose ugly. Treated with humanity and respect, they choose the opportunity to attack. Imagine what improvements their government could apply for their citizens should they not take almost all everyone’s resources to fund their endless jihad.
It’s not like Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, is hiding that they want to wipe Jews off the face of the earth. They make no bones about it. They consistently and endlessly repeat it. They don’t care how many of their children die, their goal is to get the rest of the world to fight their battles that they can’t win themselves. Congratulations of being part of their war.
It can’t be genocide if it’s self imposed. Its more like a man who kills his wife and children because he can’t get what he wants. Why don’t you believe them? They say such things and carry out what brutality within their ability. Most rational people would be convinced but apparently there are people conviced its not their choice. Like Hitler was not believed, if the rhetoric and actions are so beyond the pale, some people apparently can’t think the poor dears really mean it.
To quote them from this article “Hamas officials say the mounting death toll, believed to include thousands of children, has not caused the group to regret its actions in southern Israel, which Israeli officials said killed 1,400 people.
In fact, Hamas leaders say that their goal was to trigger this very response and that they’re still hoping for a bigger war. It’s all part of a strategy, they say, to derail talks over Israel normalizing relations with regional powers — namely, Saudi Arabia — and draw the world’s attention to the Palestinian cause.”
https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-goal-october-7-attack-israel-gaza-war-2023-11?op=1
What does this say to you?
We are not in a sharia court here. This is not the Islamic Republic of Iran or an Islamic caliphate.
It is Washington DC where these extreme threats reverberate through the speaker, where sentences are apparently already being handed down.
The demonstrators are threatening Western politicians, MPs and media, making it clear to them that they themselves will deal with the “genocide” they are “organizing”.
It reminds me of the many fatwas and death sentences pronounced and carried out in Islamic Iran against the “enemies of Allah”.
They stamp, they will bring them to justice, they judge, they condemn and they ensure that some will even take action.
The West really needs to take this seriously before there is no turning back.
Let what happened over the past few days be a wake-up call.
video
https://twitter.com/SafaiDarya/status/1723709308012019738
Worse than J6 in my opinion..
How soon people forget about the massacre of October 7th…Israel must fight until the cowardly Hamas murderers that hide behind civilians is destroyed.
Israeli forces must “destroy Hamas” in order to secure the future of Palestinians as well as the Jewish state.
If you want peace, destroy Hamas. If you want security, destroy Hamas. If you want a future for Israel, the Palestinians and the Middle East, destroy Hamas.
Im guessing these folks support Ukraine? Well if so, what if I told you Hamas’s attack on Oct 7th 2023 was a proxy war, waged on a US ally, via Iranian govt’s funding which is also backed by Putins regime. Iran Hezbollah, Isis and the houthis are all firing upon Israel. No cease fire will stop that. There’s no excuse for the senseless murder of civilians, non combatants, women and children, in gaza or in israel, in ukraine or in afghanistan.(what im getting at is no where on the beautiful planet, that should be acceptable.) Im not a religeous man by any means, although some higher power helped me through some tough times at one point, but pray we can find a better way. Pray for peace. This is much deeper than anyone gives it credit, reminicent of WW2. Lets just hope whinny the pooh doesnt decide to get wiley with taiwan because Ill be strapping back on the plate carrier and getting back to it in the name of peace. God bless the constitution and down with every authoritarian regime that exists today. Happy Veterans day folks.
I pray that the violence ends soon…
Veterans Day weekend and neither Angie’s outhouse or RHBB have any stories about Humboldt veterans or goings on. Instead we get yellow journalism about slackers, terrorism supporters. socialists and antisemites consuming oxygen.
The kids in the candy aisle throwing a fit get the attention.
But that’s okay. Don’t thank this veteran for protecting others rights to hate our country. Ask yourself what sacrifice would you be willing to make?
We frequently post Veteran pieces including one on Veterans Day about honoring veterans in Trinity County. https://kymkemp.com/?s=veteran (These are mostly just the one’s with Veteran in the title. There are more.) In the week leading up to Veteran’s Day, we posted about two Humboldt Heroes–Loren and Sue Pancoast. https://kymkemp.com/2023/11/08/humboldt-heroes-loren-and-sue-pancoast/ I had planned to post a Vet’s Day piece about my grandfather who was a soldier badly injured in a WWI plane crash. (One of the highlights of my life was when I flew to Ireland to speak at a memorial honoring him and the man who was killed in the crash.) But I ran out of steam. Sometimes it isn’t possible to cover everything I would like.
Good Stuff
Priorities
I did prioritize. I choose to spend the day with my husband at a fundraiser for the Southern Humboldt hospital. It was a blast and supported a good cause.
Thank you, AA,
I did manage to get in a post on Eisenhower and a thank you to all Veterans on yesterday’s jail reports.
Bless our Vets!
I noticed the lack of acknowledgement across all media.
I meant Saturday’s jail post.
The Zionist lies in here is mind blowing. What is happening to the Palestinians, is a cruel occupation for 75 years by a racist apartheid state. Gaza is not an open air prison, it’s a concentration camp, now it’s a place for genocide and ethic cleansing. 11k Palestinians die half of them children, the massacre and slaughtering has been documented and we watched with excruciating pain. Palestinians are not safe anywhere not in the West Bank nor Jerusalem. Isreal should paye for its long list of crimes.