Odd, Old News: As We Close in on the Anniversary of the 1964 Flood, We Look Further Back to the Flood of 1879

Centerville Flood

Centerville, Calif, Where A Flood Ends [Crop of 1964 Peter Palmquist photo courtesy of HSU Library, Humboldt Room Special Collections, Palmquist/Yale Collection]

Nuggets of old news are served up by David Heller, one of our local historians.

Say the word flood to longtime Humboldt county residents and memories of the apocalyptic 1955 and 1964 floods easily provoke dramatic first-hand accounts from those who lived through it. A few may know of the Noachic 1861-2 flood that was even larger, but there have also been a number of lesser floods. Mrs. Eugene Fountain, our favorite Humboldt county historian, compiled some news articles about one freshet and flood that may not have been the worst in history, but still wreaked havoc along rivers and on the coastal floodplain.

Drought-like conditions had prevailed until the rain started in late February of 1879. The rains began with four inches over three days that saturated the ground, followed by days of downpour greater than earlier winter storms. Rivers rose and flooded their banks.

A Humboldt Times editor noted that the public had complained both when there was no rain and when there was too much. He minimalized the flood damage and suffering on the river bottoms: “Suppose a few cattle did drop as they stood, and a few farm houses were inundated”… and focused on the benefit to unemployed loggers “stranded” in saloons, and downed logs stranded upstream by low waters.

“A sufficient quantity of the pluvial dispensation had been received to satisfy all wants in an agricultural point of view, and farmers were satisfied. But the principal industry of Humboldt county being her lumber interests, and manufacture, the attention of her people pointed in that direction, and all were anxiously waiting and wishing for a sufficient rain to raise the streams and drive the much coveted logs down to tide water…. Soon it was that the welcome cry was heard, the streams are full, and logs are running lively”. (Humboldt Times, 3/14/1879)

The victims of the flooding were likely less appreciative of the rain’s economic benefit to the county’s timber industry. Initial reports estimated the number of feet of logs brought downstream by the freshet at 40 million, a number that grew. The rivers were “running bank full” and previously idle loggers had all they could attend to. The water in Elk River was raised enough to allow logs to come down from both forks: “There is now a solid line of logs in Elk River from the bridge up the stream a distance of nearly eight miles, containing in the neighborhood of nearly fifty million feet”. (Humboldt Times, 3/9/1879)

The freshet and flood of early 1879, while not the largest in county history, nevertheless provoked an interesting discussion of planting willows and alders to minimize future flood damage, an idea that was seconded in a 1936 article written by horticultural giant Albert Etter of Ettersburg. How to get the Eel River to cooperate and go where humans want it to has been discussed for a long time.

Now for a look at the effects of high waters and flooding in the storm of 1879…

crop of 1911 Denny map

Crop of 1911 Denny map

FLOOD OF ‘79
Early Days of Humboldt.
Mrs. Eugene F. Fountain. Historian

Warning from the Winter of 1879. Patty Prim was the pen name assumed by one of the correspondents from Ferndale, who sent material to the West Coast Signal in the latter seventies. I should like to know who she was, but do not expect to discover the secret. She lived on the Island and had a light, gay touch as the reader may see for himself. Her account of the storms in 1879 show how dangerous Eel River became during the freshets, even in those early days when there were fewer residents along its banks.

March 5, 1879. Editor Signal: How the days and weeks fly by, and yet can there be weather more dismal? Wait a moment I will except Saturday and yesterday, but then they were naught but an aggravation. Isn’t it queer how the weather department regulates our climate? Weeks upon weeks of sunny days, and then ditto of rainy ones, while we poor mortals, wise in our own conceit, think we can arrange things better, to please ourselves at least. Faces generally are long, long and blue, caused possibly by the blue weather.

March 12, 1879. The Flood in Eel and Salt Rivers. I take for my text this evening a verse which is partly found in Genesis: “And it came to pass that in the eighteen hundred and seventy-ninth year, in the third month, and the fourth day of the month, that the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.” And that it was so, literally, no one can realize but those who were where they could witness it, and the scenes of devastation after the receding of the waters. As to the destruction caused we have yet no reliable report.

I have reason to thank my stars that I was domiciled on one of the highest points of the Island, but still was where I could see, only when trees intervened, one unbroken expanse of water. It was a grand sight, and but for the anxiety felt for those less fortunately situated, would have been enjoyed as a scene only witnessed occasionally in a lifetime. Huge monarchs of the woods, that had stood as sentinels along the banks of these streams for hundreds of years were born along by the mighty, restless current, with a rapidity that gave the looker-on a fair idea of the force of the torrent. I did not see Eel River at its extreme height, much to my regret. The wildest rumors are current as to the probable loss of life, of homes and their inmates being swept away, but nothing definite is known. I can imagine that they may be true, knowing how many families there were between here and Camp Grant, living in low, insecure places, and if the flood came upon them suddenly and in the night as it did with us, undoubtedly many have been called to their long home.

With us on the Island, so far as I have been able to ascertain, the damage has been serious. Neighbor Goble rose from his bed on Thursday and found nearly the whole of his premises inundated, water in his house and in his barn. Horses, cows and hogs paddling around and fowls awakened to a sense of the fact that they couldn’t swim. He very facetiously remarked that, not satisfied with filling his well even full, the water was piled three feet above the surface. He removed his family to Mr. Broderick’s, as did also George Gray. Mr. Goble had over a hundred bushels of grain wet, and lost a large number of chickens. Mr. Denman found at Mr. Hick’s, although the place of the latter was also surrounded with water. Messrs. Spencer and Kistner, with their families, came to Mr. Boynton’s. Mr. Spencer lost some forty hogs, and G. A. Dungan also lost quite a number. Of all those on the lower part of this and Cock Robin Islands, we have no tidings, only that they were on board the streamer Whitelaw. It is feared that the loss of property is heavy, if indeed no lives were lost.
Mill town on Eel River was inundated. Houses gone and people homeless. Mr. James Munroe saved his wife by placing her on the counter of the saloon, but finally almost lost both their lives after assistance reached them, in trying to pull a boat along as far as Mr. Dickson’s. The young German, who was connected with the bridge suit of last winter, found himself, house and all, floating away toward the sea. He seized a pair of blankets and some bacon, climbed out through the chimney, and succeeded in making a landing. Tappendorff lost a wagon, three plows and about ten hens. His barn turned around and now stands in the county road. The cannery and wharf are supposed to be safe, but the wharf at Port Kenyon is said to be somewhat damaged. On the northern end of the Island, Mr. Barber removed his family just in time in the night, as the house toppled over soon after, and his barn was his new habitation. Mr. Fulmore’s house also followed the example of others, but not until the family were out of it.

Out-buildings, cattle, hogs, sheep and chickens in plenty came down Salt River. Miraculously one or two got out alive. Jesse Wynn, whose house is near the river bank, was found yesterday afternoon in a tree and rescued more dead than alive. I believe he is said to be fairly recovered this evening. Mr. Dungan’s wharf is annihilated and his warehouse moved some 300 feet down and back from the river. N. Head Prairie is in a deluged condition. News comes down the river that Supervisor Dinsmore has met with losses in stock and J. C. Greenlaw’s barn is gone. Possibly you have heard all this before.

Other Reports on the Storm A Real Disaster. This community hears with regret the announcement of the destruction of Vance’s railroad bridge across Mad River, by the unusual flood which swept down that stream yesterday afternoon and last night Tuesday, March 11, 1879. It is said by those capable of expressing a correct opinion that it was the greatest rise known in that stream since the winter of 1861-’62. The loss is a very severe one to that energetic citizen, John Vance, and will be seriously felt by the residents of the Mad River section. The torrent gradually crept up to the face of the bridge, and lifted it from position, and one or more mammoth redwood trees striking it in its weakened condition, soon made the destruction complete. After the destruction of the bridge, the timber, and drift so blocked the mouth of the Canal that Mad River had to and did find outlet through a new channel on the north side of the stream, which was enlarging rapidly. Some $5OO worth of stave bolts belonging to W. H. Johnston of Eureka were swept from the bank of the Canal. Parties going up the bay noticed that a warehouse probably Landsdale’s had fallen in, leaving just the roof visible above the water. The track at Vance’s warehouse was washed away, and where the track had been, a rushing torrent was moving toward the bay. The men at the wharf were surrounded by water on all sides, but seemed to be enjoying themselves, having caught a pig that had been swimming about for some twelve hours, and were preparing him for a feast. Cattle could be seen around the marsh, many knee or even breast deep in the water. It is estimated that 2,500 logs passed the Boom into the bay.

Patrick Carrol, who had been at work driving logs at the Mad River Boom, started to his house to get supper, as he was exhausted from the long day’s work. The water caught him on the way up, and he endeavor ed to get to shore, but was not able to do so, and remained in the water nearly up to his neck until the next afternoon, probably fifteen hours before he was rescued. Medical attendance was procured and there are strong hopes of his recovery. The scene at the mouth of Mad River and in the lagoon yesterday at high tide was one of complete desolation. The cause of the Vance bridge being carried away was the formation of gravel beds in the river, resulting in a change in the bed of the river causing the banks of the river to wash away and undermine the peers of the bridge, thus letting the structure down. Arcata Bottom was flooded to such an extent that boats came from Mad River to the Bay over the fields without the slightest inconvenience.

More About the Flood South of Eureka. The residents in the county around Bridgeville had depended upon Robinson’s ferry to cross the Van Duzen river at that point until the bridge was erected at that place in 1875. The bridge was destroyed in this flood and little Johnny Hale was drowned. In the West Coast Signal of March 26, 1879 the bereaved father’s letter concerning the tragedy was printed. The letter bore the date of March 21.

“Editor Signal: I have seen several items in your paper in relation to the loss of the bridge which formerly spanned the Van Duzen River at this place. Of course the mighty waters were responsible for its destruction. I was watching the bridge most of the day on which it went off and noticed that the water was being forced through the cracks between the planks from the south side of the river, and some three or four feet higher than the water was on the northside of the bent. It is my opinion that the pressure of the water striking the rocks on the south bank, and the force with which it reacted and struck the staunch, planked up bent, broke off the two tenons where they entered the mud-sill, and carried the bottom of the bent toward the north bank, letting the bridge down almost at the same moment. As soon as I felt the bridge moving, I climbed(sic?) back for my two children. The center of the bridge was entirely under water, and the ends were drawing at the banks. We escaped by a miracle except my youngest son. He must have dropped through the parted flooring, as we all thought of and looked for him, but he was not seen until his body was found twelve miles below. My next youngest son was taken from a rock in the river, partly covered with water and some of the bridge timbers, to which he clung until nearly exhausted. He has almost recovered from his injuries. A. Coleman dropped through the bridge some distance from the bank, and caught hold of timbers which swung him around to the bank, when he was rescued with the aid of a rope. J. H. Thompson made his escape by jumping from drift to drift until he reached shore. I jumped and caught a stump above the water and clung to it until all the timbers had passed over my head. The men named were walking to loosen the accumulation of drift which had lodged against the bridge when they were hurled from it”. Travelers once more had difficulty crossing the river, as this item from the same issue shows. “Frank Armstrong and Craig Thompson had a narrow escape from drowning in the Van Duzen at Bridgeville a few days ago. They attempted to cross the river on a raft, but the current being much stronger than they anticipated, it was carried over the rapids. They, being excellent swimmers, reached shore after a terrible struggle”.

Storm New From the Grizzly Bluff Section. It commenced raining last Saturday night and has not stopped yet. Many accidents have occurred, some of them fatal and others nearly so. Hanley was bucked from his horse and thrown into Howe Creek, near its mouth. He came near being carried out into the current of Eel River, but the last clump of bushes on the bank of the stream proved to be his life preserver. A frame which had every appearance of being the porch of Jesse Greenlaw’s Pepperwood Bottom House floated down the river. The school house in that vicinity also went down stream, and it is likely that a great amount of treasured knowledge in the shape of text books went with it. A large, white painted dwelling went by at a reckless speed. A floating chicken house, covered with chickens, went dancing down Eel River. A rooster in the party stretched his neck and gave a regular daylight salute as he was carried sea ward. Between Mr. Patrick’s house and Mr. Worthington’s the water was from two to four feet deep. Mr. Patrick lost considerable stock. Mr. Johnston states that the water stood from eight to ten feet deep over his farm. Mr. McDonald, the ferryman, lost his: stables, and much hay and grain carried away.

His dwelling was flooded. Old Mr. Bagley and his people were taken from the second story window of their residence. They lost all their stock. Fencing on low lands has been swept away, and large fields have been robbed of their soil. We learn from Mr. Barlow, who is just down from the Myers farm, on South Fork of Eel River, that the flood did considerable mischief in that section. Donelson’s blacksmith shop above Gearhart’s was carried away bodily by the flood and his family was obliged to take refuge from it in the timber for a day or two. Three thousand fence rails were lost at the Myer’s farm, but no damage to the land. At Camp Grant the places of Judge Hurlbutt and Amos Hansel were considerably injured by loss of land. During the flood in Eel River, the house of Mr. Lawrence, at the mouth of the South Fork, was swept away. At Greenlow’s place, the water rose until the family were obliged to take refuge on the counter in the office. They were rescued in a boat. The barn which landed on Barnett’s farm, Sandy Prairie, is reported to belong to a German known as “Chris”, who lives above Shiveley’s.

Editorial on the Flood in the West Coast Signal

March 12, 1879
“It is needless to remind our readers that the flood which has recently prevailed in the valleys of Humboldt County has been attended with much loss and suffering, physical and pecuniary. We believe we hazard nothing, in saying that the actual damage has been but in a small degree proportioned to what seemed to be the actual peril, and that when a survey of the whole field which has been inundated comes to be made, it will be found that many of the disasters which have occurred could have been foreseen, guarded against and prevented. The same foresight manifested by Mr. Jereh Quill, of N. Prairie, will have to be looked upon as indispensible, perhaps on very much of the best farming land of Humboldt County. It is idle to suppose that such lands as have been overflowed are going to be abandoned to the fox and hare. It may be that the residences of our most prosperous farmers would look, if constructed as is Mr. Quill’s house, as if the ground floor was in the upper story, but better a tenement than a semi-occasional freshet will respect even if it is set up on stilts, than one which, because there happens to be a few heavy showers, will imagine itself a new-fashioned Noah’s Ark, and start out to sea, via the mouth of Eel River, without being provisioned for the voyage. Another idea strikes us as in connection with these occasionally submerged bottom lands. In a number of instances the soil, especially where: the land has been recently ploughed, has been washed away to a depth of several inches. This we are informed is especially noticeable, and has been especially destructive where the land is subjected to a long sweep of rapid current, by reason of length of clearing.

Our idea is this. Plant living hedges of willows, say three to four rows in each hedge, in such number as to form an open coffer-dam of each ten or twenty, or even forty acres of field. The waters would have no difficulty in either entering or departing. It stands to reason that the force of the current would be considerably broken by these living and at the same time yielding obstacles. The only possible objection which this plan suggests to our mind is the possibility that if the current was sluggish, the precipitations of sediment might work as much harm as the swifter current works by carrying off the upper soil. But the idea is worthy of a test. The recent flood will make herself the teacher of many important lessons to our people. We take it that hereafter fewer homes will be built m exposed situations. This matter is hinted at in our reference to Mr. Quill’s home.

The storm has dealt far more severely with other portions of our State. It has laid an embargo on travel in Napa County, and driven several hundred people from their homes in the suburbs of that city, forcing them to take refuge in the Court House and Catholic Church, which were turned into free lodging houses for the occasion. It blockaded travel on the North Pacific road, and on the Vallejo and Sacramento road, flooded as usual the beautiful and flourishing town of Pacheco, in Contra Costa County, and otherwise made itself as disagreeable as possible in many and remotely settled portions of the State. After all, we are no worse off, perhaps not near so badly off, as many of our neighbors. The late storm has its compensations in the lessons of prudence which teaches us —in the warnings which it gives. It will not do to sit down and repine over our losses. Six months hence the flood of 1879 will be remembered chiefly as a moist time. The record shows that repetitions of the calamity are to be looked for only at comparative long intervals, and it is probable that the next one will find our valley friends practically Hollanders in their preparations for and ability to resist the onslaught of the rushing waters”.

Optimistic words above, in reference to the long intervals between damaging floods. In the story of pioneer William Green which appeared two years ago, I mentioned the storm of January 1881, during which Mr. Green’s skill as a boatman was valuable in evacuating settlers on Arcata Bottom. Over nine inches of rain fell in three days. Sheriff Brown reported that the Klamath River raised eighty-two feet during the storm. The Indians at the mouth of that stream could congratulate themselves on having their town of Requa located high above the river bed. Sixty-feet of the trestle work on the north side of Vance’s railroad bridge over Mad River was washed away. Fred Burg’s farm, at the location which was later Korbel, was almost all washed away, but the dwelling was spared. Steve Puter rescued the families of James McDermott and Mrs. Stebbins east of Blue Lake.

These two storms seem to add proof that the severity of the weather is at its greatest in the period closing each decade, and opening the following ten year interval. The storm of 1861 -’62 was also a further proof. It was probably the worst of any ever visiting California within the memory of man.

The advice which was offered humbly by the editorial writer, who was no doubt David Gordon himself and a dweller in towns, was repeated over a half century later by the founder of the Ettersburg Experiment Station, a naturalist who knew whereof he spoke. In an article in the Humboldt Times on April 13, 1938, Albert Etter stated:

“As to what can be done about the flood problem in Eel River valley, the bars along the liver should be purchased and held as state property and planted to willows, alder, etc., to cause the bars to be built up by sand and gravel and thus retard the overflow and increase the volume of water in the channel. The increase in volume would create that additional current necessary to float the debris on down the river and out to sea. Any pocket where brush and small trees deaden the current causes the sediment to settle and build up. Much could be done to good advantage by systematic planting to cause the sediment to settle and build up the land, where under present conditions of open road, the current is too great and only sand and gravel are deposited when fine silt could be had.

Whether other native species of willow are best or some other exotic species, at any rate willows have been a great factor in shaping stream courses. It is true that since the white man came to Humboldt, they have witnessed some real freshets in the valley. However, before there must have been bigger ones. Outstanding of all freshets was Perry Slough near its entrance into Salt River. A waterline of mud on that tree was left eighteen feet from the tree’s base. The mark was still visible when the felled a number of years ago.”

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Nick
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Nick
4 years ago

If these events happened today it would be blamed on climate change

Trashman
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Trashman
4 years ago
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Human caused climate change.

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
4 years ago
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Climate change or politics. I find it amazing that most of the floods talked about in history was almost always preceded by a drought.

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Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
4 years ago

It is notable how much Centerville has changed, the ocean now often washes over the road that starts up the hill in the photo.

hmm
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hmm
4 years ago
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That’s just plain dumb. Climatic events are not blamed on climate change arbitrarily, only when there is abundant evidence.

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
4 years ago
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Right… Like those darn human Vikings caused the Greenland warm period, from 950 to 1250, so they could grow crops in the south of Greeland.

Then they screwed up and caused the mini-ice age from 1300 to @1850 and starved to death.

Then we had the industrial revolution from the 1850s to the 1970’s and caused all that Co2.

They used to call it the coming Ice-Age in the 70’s when it got cold, then they called it Global Warming in the 90’s. Now they they just call it climate change so they are right no matter which direction that the global temperature goes. Our scientists nowadays don’t need to use evidence and facts. All they need is a thermometer, that way they have something to point at and look like they have it all figured out.

Don’t get me wrong, I think that humans are screwing up the world with too much pollution, and over-population, and I and sure that we are getting dumber. but what is going to happen to the climate is still a wild card, and the scientists know it.

willow creeker
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4 years ago

Think about a concept we learned in school- the conservation of mass. It means, when you burn something, it doesn’t lose mass, it just changes into, say, smoke. So all the weight of gas everyone puts in their car every day in the world, and burns up, is put into the air. That’s a lot of mass, day after day for so many years. That’s got to have an effect. Anyone who watches, they have to admit, snow levels are lower than they used to be, even in my lifetime. Our family home has a pond that used to freeze every winter in the 80s (not that long ago. It never freezes anymore. Anecdotal but good enough for me.

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
4 years ago
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Willow Creeker, thanks for being nice and thanks for using real science, demonstrating conservation of mass. There is also a little thing called “the conservation of energy law.” All that fuel we burn turns into Co2. The trees and green plants convert the Co2 back in wood or other useful things that we eat and build houses from.

All the energy on Earth comes from that great big nuclear reactor in the sky… The Sun. All we do is stir the pot. Like you say, mass nor energy is ever lost, we just live on the great big merry-go-round.

Anecdotes, fairy tales, and listening to old history stories, are some of my favorite things. The Old-Timers always put their own spin and embellishment on their stories, but anyone that can see through the hyperbole can see that they were darn tough and knew that they had to be tough to survive, because nobody else would be taking care of them.

When the Earth gets tired of us it will kick us off, and it will go on very nicely.

Willow Creeker
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Willow Creeker
4 years ago

That’s a nice way to look at it, and it absolves everyone from blame. Humans are great at not taking blame.
It’s true in the long run it doesn’t matter.
Life on earth is always changing balance. Cheers and happy New Years!

The Real Brian
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4 years ago

At least 4,000 people were estimated to have been killed in the floods in California, which was roughly 1% of the state population at the time.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Flood_of_1862

Only 1% of California died in w
floods of 1861-2. Not enough for anti vaxxers interest. 1% is small enough to ignore.

I believe many here would call your link “fear mongering” or “lame-floody”.

(Sorry David to make that point here)

Sam
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Sam
4 years ago

Just yesterday, two people were found, drowned in a car in the southern part of Bay Area.
“Turn around, don’t drown”

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Thinkthenact
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Thinkthenact
4 years ago

Great read. And interesting to see all the familiar names: Vance, Bagley, Barlow, Hurlbutt, on and on. Easy to understand how religion played such an important role in the pioneer’s life. Tough folks.

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
4 years ago
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The name that jumped out at me was “Dungan” back in the 60’s I worked for Pedersen’s. Walley Pederson sold refrigeration, furniture, appliances, and carpet.

A hard working fellow by the name of Joe Dungan laid all the carpeting for us. I would help help him get the job lined out and he would lay the carpet by himself.

Joe had a brother by the name of Lee Dungan. He was tall lanky jovial fellow with a very cool cowboy hat. He retired and build a house in Redway. He was a much loved member of the community.

I believe that they were descendants of the Dungan mentioned and was also descendants of the Dungan’s of Dungan’s crossing fame that ran the Eel River Ferry service that crossed the river before Fernbridge was built.

David, Please feel free to correct any of my bullshistory errors. Thanks.

David Heller
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David Heller
4 years ago

Merry Christmas Ernie (and everyone)! No need to correct you, I think you are right about the Dungan descendants that you knew going back to the early Dungan’s of Dungan ferry times, but I don’t know for sure.

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
4 years ago
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We could ask Dana Patmore who lives in Miranda. She is Lee Dungan’s daughter. Does anyone local know her?

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
4 years ago

The 1964 flooding of Eel River was caused by a Pineapple Express. Pineapple Express is an example of an atmospheric river. Eel River flow got up to 936,000 cfs (?)! For comparison, Wikipedia says Mississippi River avg flow < 600,000 cfs.

In Fortuna, the levee gave way by where now is The River Lodge. The Eel River rushed through and flooded south Fortuna. Nowadays there is a sidewalk on top of the levee. At one end of that trail there is a farm that has (had?) a donkey and a camel in same enclosure. The camel is huge compared to the donkey.

David Heller
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David Heller
4 years ago
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“Eel River flow got up to 936,000 cfs (https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.1.0/svg/1f631.svg)! For comparison, Wikipedia says Mississippi River avg flow < 600,000 cfs.” that is just beyond mindboggling. Thanks for sharing Steve.

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
4 years ago
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De nada. I am always interested in river flow rates, I got in the habit of checking current cfs before I go canoeing just to make sure flow is in an ok range.

Bug on a Windshield
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Bug on a Windshield
4 years ago
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Steve, where do you like to get your current cfs? Link please.

Ps loved the complete non sequitur re the camel. Ok, maybe not complete non sequitur as its a geographic reference point. Still kinda outta the blue.

Scars
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Scars
4 years ago

It’s phenomenal that one could take a boat from the Arcata bay over the bottoms up to the mad river in mck..and that in Klamath the river rose 82 feet..wow!
I really respect how everyone tried to help each other in such a devastating emergency.

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
4 years ago
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The slough that connects to Arcata Bay nearly connects to Mad River (west of Hammond Trail bridge). Might not take much rise in the Mad River to connect to that slough. Wonder if it happens during a king tide.

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
4 years ago
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Didn’t they build a canal to get logs from Mad River to Humboldt Bay back in the 1800’s. At one time the Mad River flowed into Humboldt Bay. Then it meandered away to the north.

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
4 years ago

I don’t know about the canal but would not be surprised at all if they did build it.

One thing about the Mad River is that it loves to meander to the North?. They had to build a levee at South end of Clam Beach to stop that meandering.

Bug on a Windshield
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Bug on a Windshield
4 years ago
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I had heard that also, the Mad was diverted to carry logs into the bay. Then, for whatever reason I forgot, it was repaired to its “original”(?) state and flow.

I once canoed from Manilla up to the replaced levee quite some years ago. It was a high tide to get that far, not a King tide, but I agree it wouldn’t take much to go over it.

Canoed the Mad from Blue Lake bridge to the Mad River Beach boat launch and mouth several times. Although, when going to the mouth, I usually started at the boat launch. Seen the mouth as far south as south of Hiller Road and north where it is now at the Vista point / Clam Beach. A word of, mmmm, preparedness to anyone new to doing that: stay away from the winter and early spring high cfs flows, unless you’re good. I’m not that good. The boat launch is hollow underneath, so, no eddy on the backside. Late spring is a mellow run and early summer is lackadaisical. From the boat launch, go downstream with the out going tide and upstream from the mouth with the incoming tide. It makes a difference.

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4 years ago
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Here are a couple of informational tidbits on the canal from the ‘NCJ’s’ Barry Evans…

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And this one…

Please tap…

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Bug on a Windshield
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Bug on a Windshield
4 years ago
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Thanks for that. I knew I had seen it somewhere. Good ol’ Barry Evans.

I’ll spend the time later, but I guess some google earthing is due to see if one can canoe the Mad, portage over the levee to what remains of the canal, and on to Eureka.

Jim Baker
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4 years ago

Confirming Ernie’s and David’s remarks about the direct family connections between the contemporary Dungan family and Dungan’s ferry on the lower Eel during the 1860’s, I went to school in Fortuna (high school class of ’62) with Dina Dungan (daughter of Joe) and Yes, Dana Dungan Patmore is the first cousin of Dina and is Lee Dungan’s daughter. Dana was a longtime speech therapist in Southern Humboldt who worked with my wife Joan. Coincidentally, My great grandfather Christian Paulsen operated the Singley Ferry during the 1880’s and 90’s in approximately the same location as the earlier Dungan’s Ferry. My family has several photos of the ferry taken during the time Christian operated it. I have always wanted to ask Dana if the Dungan family had any photos of the 1860s ferry to compare the two but have never followed up on it. Maybe Dana will read this post and respond. David, I wonder if you are aware of any photos of Dungan’s Ferry in local archives I have never seen one.
Re: connection of Mad River to Humboldt Bay — according to a direct account from the boatswain of the Tres Reyes, one of the ships from the Spanish Vizcaino expedition to the north coast in 1603, the ship entered what must have been Humboldt Bay, according to his latitude observations of the bay compared with his other observations of bays along the California coast on the same expedition. His log states that this bay “enters a full flowing river which came in from the north with such force that the ship could not enter it more than two leagues (about six miles) with full sails and wind astern. This must certainly have been the Mad River. (See Two Peoples, One Place by Rafael and House, page 43 and endnote #13 on page 306 for further discussion). I welcome opposing opinions, backed up with good data of course, from other local historians.

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Mary Ann
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4 years ago
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Link to HSU Photo collection. Dungan’s Ferry circa 1893

Mary Ann
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Apologies for double post. I tried to delete. And here is the photo I was trying to attach. You can see better in the link in my next comment. And if you click on the photo in the link, you’ll get a great view.

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4 years ago
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thank you Mary Ann!! You forced me to delve into my map collection, which proved me wrong on my assumption that Dungan’s ferry and Singley’s Ferry were about in the same location. The Dungan name on parcels on either side of the Eel and “Dungan’s Ferry” as a place name was consistently in the same location just upriver from the east end of Cock Robin Island on maps spanning the 1865 Doolittle map through a 1911 Edward Denny map. Singley’s Ferry did not appear on the 1865 map, but did show up on an 1886 Forbes map as well as the 1911 one, about four miles upriver from Dungan’s Ferry, at the end of what is now Singley Road just north of Fernbridge. I learned something about my own family history today in addition to that of the Dungan family. Maybe this will be fodder for somebody looking into the geographic and historical reasons for having two ferries in apparent competition within four miles of each other. Thank you, Ernie (with tongue in cheek) for diverting my attention away from an important project I was working on to investigate one of your “bullshistory” stories. I should have learned by now not to bite. In this case your were absolutely right about the Dungan family and I was wrong about my own family history regarding the two ferries.

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David Heller
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4 years ago
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It’s always a treat to hear from you Jim. I’ll thank Ernie too for luring you into the comment zone. I had often wondered about the placement of the two ferries, having read of them, and the Denny map made it clear.
I’ll bet there is Humboldt Historian article about those ferries.
I learn something everytime I look at those old maps!

Ernie Branscomb
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4 years ago
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Thank you for jumping in Jim. You are one of the very few that I trust as a true historian. (and David Heller of course)

And, thank-you for pointing out one of the few times that I was right. It is frustrating to remember a story that I heard in my youth and no longer have a relative still living that could fill in the details for me. So… Like the old saw “I don’t know the details, but I know where the bodies are buried.”

Not knowing it as a fact, it just seems probable that the Mad River once emptied into Humboldt Bay. It just seems to be too large of an estuary to have been formed by Elk River alone.

We miss you in Southern Humboldt Jim. When you get tired of the fog, maybe you can come back.

David Heller
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4 years ago

A little addition…one of Mrs. Fountain’s history writers, H. H. Gastman, wrote this in 1957: “MAD RIVER The Wood party, mentioned in early history, included a Professor Gregg. At the mouth of Mad River he wished to set up his instruments to take “bearings”, but the rest of the party, anxious to go on, objected. The ensuing discord resulted in the name. It was not only “mad”, but very treacherous. Where a good fording place existed today, tomorrow might find it changed to a deep hole with a strong eddy. The sudden changes in the fords caused sorrow and distress from drowning in many pioneer families. Many tragic events occurred on Mad River. This northern California river has a roving nature. At one period it emptied into Humboldt Bay through the town of Arcata. At another, it reached the bay more to the north. As the shore line of the Pacific advanced or receded, the course of the rivers were directly influenced. All our northern rivers gradually trek to the north to some natural barrier before emptying into the Pacific as the Eel, Little, Klamath, Smith, Wind-chuck and the Chetco”. Blue Lake Advocate, 6/6/1957.

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4 years ago
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Thanks David.

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Nice!

Ernie Branscomb
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4 years ago
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Thank you Mary Ann.

That is a great and very sharp photo. As a technical sort of fellow, I have always been fascinated by the old ferrys. They had a cable strung across the river, then there were pulleys on the ferry attached to the cable front and back. They would adjust the length of the pully attachment to angle the ferry in the flow of the river like a sail in the wind. The flow of the river would power the ferry.

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